TREVOR 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 INT: INT: PER: INT: INT: INT: INT: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: uh:: (3.5) >is it good<? (addressed to person setting up video camera) (0.2) yep (set-up person leaves room) (0.3) okay (1.1) so em:: (0.7) so you’ve (0.5) got (0.2) >the majority of the information anyway [I mean]< the ↑priority the most important thing really is that em [yea] (0.3) obviously you can withdraw at any (0.3) [time] (.) from this today [yea] (0.2) apa::rt from when it goes (.) on to the (0.5) [internet] [then it’s [too lat]e then yea] ha ha if your [in trouble you change your mind then ha ha] [yes] [ha-ha-ha exactly] (0.3) ↑oh ↓oh [ha ha ha] [but up until] that [point and] will we will [yea] (0.2) sort of tell you when that point’s [gonna be after] that we could [that’s all right just won’t watch any of it] (0.2) [yea::] (.) yea:: [maybe yea:: >I wouldn’t be able to watch] ↓mine< [ha ha] [ha ha ha ha ha ha] (0.4) em:: but yea just let you know you can withdraw at any [point] and even during [yes] (0.2) today if you don’t feel comfortable with any of the [questions] obviously you can [just say] [mmhm] [okay] (0.7) 1 TREVOR 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 INT: >that’s fine< but hopefully they are nothing too invasive= STU: =okay yea= INT: =lets hope it wont °xxxx° (0.4) INT: >↑yo’d’you want any< do you want a drink of [water or (.) are you all right]? STU: [eh I’m okay thank you] (0.6) INT: EM::: (.) and did Alasdair kind of tell you a bit about the [s:::tudy]? STU: [eh something is if eh::] (1.1) STU: education like (0.7) STU: some kind of education thing go (0.3) INT: yea= STU: =about teaching and eh helping teachers eh (0.3) STU: [understand] INT: [yea: basically] there’s not that there’s not that many teaching em::: (0.9) INT: sort of (0.2) INT: eh materials for:: looking at qualitative research (0.3) INT: quite undervalued in (0.3) INT: undergrad[uate] STU: [yea] (0.6) INT: em:: (0.3) INT: teaching you know on undergraduate [modules]: to do with psychology I think it’s become STU: [yea] INT: more and more popular (0.4) INT: em::: so that’s why (0.4) INT: Alasdair set this up really just to have a go a good kind of teaching (0.6) INT: em (0.4) INT: sort of (0.2) INT: ha(h) eh material [you can] use STU: [yea] (0.5) INT: >teach people how to do qualitative< research and how to do interviewing (0.6) 2 TREVOR 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 STU: [>yea] INT: [em] (0.3) INT: yea different types of interviewing and stuff so (0.9) INT: ahh:: (0.3) INT: ↑yea that’s pretty much what its about (0.2) STU: em= INT: =yea and that’s what’s >gonna be made available< on-line (.) [so it can] be used by by everybody STU: [yea] (0.4) INT: yea and then there’s gonna be a book (.) as well I don’t know if you’ve heard about [that] STU: [yea] he said some wa::: (.) other or something on it (0.4) STU: else just like everyone when he (0.5) STU: lectures so [when he mentions] stuff like eh Alasdair’s boring INT: [right] (0.5) INT: eh he(h) ha ha teach eh (0.2) INT: so he men(h)tions some(h)thing new you trying to (0.2) STU: [yea writing eh and your try(h) to eh (.) yea focus ye(h)a] INT: [xxx to xx xxx right okay (.)your trying to take everything in] (0.4) STU: and he goes off in a tangent and your like hang on [mmh xxx] INT: [.h eh °yea°] (0.4) INT: yea we really wha what the book (0.2) INT: about is em its its (.) based on these interviews em and then each individual person gonna write a chapter (0.4) INT: about different qualitative research methodologies so (0.3) INT: grounded theory eh interpretative phenomenological analys(h)is ha ha its called (0.3) INT: .hhh em and then at each say each >individual< writes a chapter about different so its basically a good kind of methodology metho methodological (0.3) INT: handbook (0.2) INT: on how to carry out different sorts of qualitative research so its really used for that (0.6) 3 TREVOR 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 INT: as well which is gonna be used for undergrad[duate] STU: [right] (0.6) INT: research methods as well (0.8) INT: so that’s what its about [really] STU: [rig]ht (0.3) INT: Yep? (0.7) INT: okay so I’m need just close this window cause xxx slight noisy its not (0.7) INT: really too bad we’ve just got a massive (0.2) INT: waste (noise of closing window). (0.2) INT: eh (0.3) INT: uh: (0.4) INT: truck (0.2) INT: that’s [stopped outside] (.)↑Yea::↓ all good (.) timing STU: [eh good timing] (0.2) STU: [xxx] INT: [xxx] (0.6) INT: I think its quite quiet now there’s not students around has everyone gone [home]? STU: [well] (0.2) INT: [xx pretty much] STU: [en we have our] exams at the:: (.) beginning of ↑May so (0.4) STU: [so they’ve all finished xxx xxx ] (.) INT: [right:: so back home time isn’t it]? [but] your obviously from Liver[pool] STU: [em] [yea] I live [in] INT: [yea] STU: just by the ((LOCAL PLACE)) (.) so:[:::] not to far for me to get [to] INT: [okay (.) nice] [mmhm] (0.7) STU: oh yea I’m I’m originally from here so (0.2) INT: right (.) this is not too far for you to [travel] (.) so you don’t have to go home [anywhere] STU: [yea] STU: [no] INT: cause your already [here] ha ha ha STU: [no] 4 TREVOR 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: INT: INT: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: (0.2) this is ho::me [a ha ha ha] around around [the city centre] so [yea] [around here] (0.2) aw:: bri[lliant] [mm] (0.8) okay well like I said em:: (1.5) yea (.) basically: you know any questions or any any (.) anything you wanna kinda (0.3) °you know° (0.7) eh:: say or if you want a break or anything [just just tell me] and we can stop the recording [yea okay] (0.2) an that’s fine (0.2) okay= =does that sound [alright?] [that’s great] thank you (0.4) okay so as you know this this (.) >this project is about< friendship (0.8) em I want you to think about one of your ↓friends: (.) and can you tell me how you became (0.2) friends with this ↓person (0.7) eh:: (0.9) he’s on top of my uh (0.7) best friend I suppose uh (0.5) I was a (0.3) I was working as a fitness in↑structor (.)°for the° (0.6) council and he was er uh (0.3) he was a customer >an he< (.) he used to ↑come in like every day so we just eh (1.5) its what (0.2) its about twelve ↑years ago (0.6) and eh:: 5 TREVOR 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: (0.7) and we just got to know each other an then like he came on a few of the staff nights out and then eh (0.6) an eh were still friends ↑now (.) an that although I’m m m (0.2) not a fitness instructor cause (0.4) I got ill:: an (0.3) you know we (0.2) you know (.) I hope always (.) stay friend:::s eh (0.5) [okay::] [there are so] we’re still good friends::: eh (0.5) ↑although he he lives in Runcorn now (0.5) I still live in Liverpool and I would eh (0.5) post to us or speak to you on the phone:: an (0.4) see each other like (0.3) once a month twice a month (0.6) for a night out talk (0.3) uh okay (0.2) and does he tend to go to Liverpool or d’you [tend to] go to: [eh put] (0.6) Runcorn= =if we g go for a night out he tends to come over here and he’ll stay in my’ome and four xxx xxx (0.2) but he lives like in the middle of nowhere↑ we tend to go [where an xxx] it’ll be like house party or a barbeque so we’ll stay over there an [eh::::n] (0.3) ri[ght::] [if we’re having] a night out he’ll come over here cause the::: (0.8) he prefe::rs like Liverpool cause (0.2) it’s where we always used to go when we were younger anyway (0.2) 6 TREVOR 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 INT: and bit more going on [in Liverpool] as [well] STU: [yea] [mmhm] (0.2) INT: ye[a] STU: [yea] I think it might be the memories when we were young and mad as [well (.) ha ha ha] INT: [ha ha ha ha] (0.2) STU: and ha:::ir an:: [ha ha ha ha] INT: [ha ha ha ha] (0.2) INT: .hh (0.2) INT: >there’s quite a< there’s quite a nice [variation] as well I guess isn’t it so you’ve got kinda your place STU: [yea] INT: over here or you [can] STU: [yea] (0.5) INT: have a bit more of a party (0.5) INT: and then his place:: in the middle of nowhere but [you can] still have STU: [yea] (0.2) INT: like mates [around] STU: [go round] play on his Wii and [stuff an] INT: [yea hu ha] (0.2) INT: barbeque an (0.2) STU: yea it it’s nice it’s good (.) good good friendship y’know it’s good to have a friend that you know you can always (0.8) STU: turn to an that [y’know eh] INT: [mm::] (0.4) INT: yu if you pick if he picks up the phone like an now you know (0.7) STU: I’ll be there an like (0.4) STU: vice versa so (0.5) INT: yea: (0.2) STU: lucky in that sense so (1.6) STU: you know (.) best friend like Tom so (0.3) 7 TREVOR 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 INT: ye[a] STU: [its] why he springs to mi:nd cause he’s he’s more like a brother↑ (0.2) STU: relationship that a friendship I suppose (0.6) STU: ach you know when you get that really (0.2) STU: close friend (.) and [given that] you know all each other’s things an stuff INT: [yea] (0.4) INT: mmhm (0.5) STU: you know (0.4) INT: an an does that does that differ (.) em from your ↑other friendships that you’ve got?= STU: =eh (0.4) STU: I’ve got I’ve (0.8) STU: I’ve got lots of frien::ds but (0.3) STU: I’d consider about like one or two (0.5) STU: best friends Tom’s probably like (0.4) STU: best friend cause he’s he’s got come to be me best man I’m planning on getting married two thousand and ten so (0.2) STU: [I’ve been a he’s like] the INT: [ah eh okay] (0.3) STU: the best man type of (0.4) STU: friend and I’m just like (0.2) STU: other friends you know but (0.4) STU: like (0.5) STU: friends that blokes friends that are gi::rls that are (.) friends you can talk to them but (0.5) STU: you know you’ve just like different (0.3) STU: almost you have like friends where you wo::rk (0.4) STU: [now and I’m xxxx] build relationships like in University an wo::rk an INT: [mmhm] (0.4) STU: so they’re sort of friends but eh yu you know you have 8 TREVOR 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: (1.0) different types of frie::nds (0.8) >d’youse< know what I’m [say::ing like] as [yea different groups] an [like xxx relationships] [yea like different relation]ships some are more like family [and] some are people you go out and have a drink with [mm] (0.4) no somebody else will (0.2) some you’ll see like in a wo:::rk relationship and (0.3) yea (1.2) yea= =yea (0.6) so what what kind of (.) em:: so you’ve been friends with Tom for twelve years= =yea this friend (0.4) em:: (0.8) and (0.3) what what kind of things would you do together to yea sort of pass the ti::me what kind of= =yea (1.1) ↑eh: (0.4) we’d play golf:: eh (0.8) eh (0.2) poo::l (0.2) bow::lin (0.4) mm= =eh (0.8) now when we see each other (.) na we we used to play eh (0.8) when we were young before we’d go (0.3) xx club xx he’s married now (.) my ad um (0.3) 9 TREVOR 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 STU: and >I’m engaged< an (0.3) STU: marry her (.) when we were living at home like and that it was eh (0.3) STU: it was different >it would< it would be like Friday Saturday an Sunday an (0.3) STU: now we like we play golf couple times a week where as you grow up an you get all the commitments= INT: =mmhm= STU: =and I think (.) things change but we still get the odd game of golf em: (0.7) STU: like ↑work commitments like he’s he’s working like he runs his own business now so I mean (0.4) STU: your commitments are different so its hard to try you know (0.3) STU: you can’t just decide >oh I’m gonna fo gonna play golf< couple times this week an (0.3) INT: yea::= STU: =and stuff so (0.6) STU: and like the weekend when I’m like you sort out spending time with your partner and em cause you haven’t seen (0.5) STU: they cause they’re working or out an that so you don’t really feel like saying (0.2) STU: aw I’m just gonna I’m just gonna leave you for four hours and go and play golf and (0.2) INT: yea: (0.3) INT: yea you want to spend more time= STU: =yea (0.2) INT: time with your partner= STU: =yea (0.3) INT: yea (0.5) INT: so is that em (.) so you feel li like the the activities that that you do to get the have (.) changed since since you’ve known each other (0.3) STU: They have changed we’re lucky eh even (.) mi my partner and his partner they get on really well so (0.2) INT: [mm:] STU: [I mean] (0.3) STU: like (.)they can have girlie night and (0.6) 10 TREVOR 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 STU: ah um (0.2) STU: we can go off like eh (.) to the pub or something or (0.8) STU: now so so so it work works quite well so (0.2) INT: yea= STU: =and for eh (0.5) STU: I think for quite a lot of it we just like to have barbeques now sitting around drinking [rather than] going out INT: [°ha ha ha°] STU: down the [slow xxxx xxx] INT: [ha ha ha ha] (0.9) INT: [that’s age for you eh::] STU: [for we did we used to] (.) and you get older and your fin::d that it takes three of four days to recover and its just like no (0.2) INT: yea::[ha ha ha] ha ha ha STU: [don’t want a hangover] (0.2) INT: .hh can’t cope with that [much] to [di:] STU: [yea] [especially] if you (0.3) STU: when you’re wo::rking the next day or [something its just] like oh I won’t mhm and you just wanna die::= INT: [mmhmm] (0.2) INT: [yea:: ha ha] STU: [it’s it’s all right] when your before twenty one and you know (0.5) STU: you di >you just don’t get< (0.3) STU: you just don’t get hung↑over and then (.) you know (0.2) STU: after twenty one each year slowly gets worse I find (0.2) INT: yea (.) [yea] STU: [mhm] (0.2) STU: either that or or I’m drinking more mhm [eh ha ha ha ha] INT: [ha ha ha ha] (0.3) INT: .hhh so would you say that think that the (.) the (.) the activities you do together as friends now:: (0.4) INT: tend to be sort of mo::re (0.4) 11 TREVOR 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: em relaxed:: (0.8) [yea] than [than] what you used to [previously] in terms of [like say drinking after xxx xx] [yea] [def definitely more that’s for sure] when a (0.2) eighteen nineteen an that we’d go (0.4) go ous go about (0.4) seven o’clock at night we’d go till two three o’clock in the morning an= =mmhm (0.2) like eh (0.4) I’ve ave (0.7) I I’d got a a i::ll eh (.) I’ve got M E so (0.3) [okay] [like I] was different pe::rson before so (0.3) I could I could go all night I’d be like dancing from eight o’clock at night till three o’clock in the mor::ning like a foo::l an (0.3) yea= =whereas now like an xxx (0.4) you know u:: (.) just go out (0.2) prefer to go to restaurants and sit there and talk:: and then you know go to a club afterwards and (0.5) [okay] [I just] spend a few hours there:: an (0.6) we ↑[like to go somewhere where we tal::k I su:: (0.4) don’t know don’t know if it’s an a::ge thing but (0.4) yu did (.) you didn’t ta::lk so much when we were young we just go out and we stand there and have a drink an (0.4) [yea] [but now] I couldn’t xxx (0.3) dunno if its >cause we don’t see each other< as much we [(.) had to] go out and catch up an 12 TREVOR 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 INT: [mmhmm] (0.7) STU: ta::lk (0.4) INT: [yea] STU: [like old men] with our with out ↑pints and [we ha ha ha ha] INT: [ha ha ha ha] (0.2) STU: put the worl::d to [rights:] INT: [ha ha] (0.2) INT: .hh does you think it do you think it (.) then:: (0.4) INT: cause it sight sounds like you say you activities you do together have changed [so] STU: [yea] (0.2) INT: from going kinda (0.2) INT: clubbing and partying (.) obviously seeing each other a lot [more prob]ably then STU: [yea] (0.4) INT: so no::w more relaxing and talking (0.4) INT: d’you think that em::: (0.5) INT: it was:: (.) your illness that that changed those activit::ies↓ or d’you think its just (0.2) INT: the ↑a::ge or the circumstance or or (.) or it’s the location cause your (0.5) INT: because you moved awa:y from each other d’you (0.2) INT: what what what what d’you think had the biggest (0.5) INT: impact on (0.2) INT: [change] STU: [on me yea] (.) I think (0.5) STU: things (0.2) STU: getting ill or I (.) I lost ma jo I got (0.3) STU: I got fired from my job [cause] (.) cause I worked for the cou::ncil INT: [okay] (0.6) STU: eh (0.4) STU: and then a:d to come to terms wiv (0.2) 13 TREVOR 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 STU: being (0.8) STU: I was one I was (0.4) STU: cam fifth in Britain’s fittest ma::n (0.4) STU: just before I got ill so I went from being fit to (0.3) STU: this so I ha::d to come [to be] INT: [mmhm] (0.2) STU: terms with my life again but (0.3) INT: yea= STU: = like I had (0.3) STU: you know you loose a lotta friends when [that happens] you know people that you trai::n with INT: [mmhmm] (0.3) STU: that’s why I say Tom’s a really good frien::d cause you know (0.5) STU: he (0.6) STU: he respected as if xx what was going on and he was there to support me but he wasn’t in my fa::ce so (0.2) INT: yea= STU: =I don’t think for me now (0.4) STU: >good to< I just had to grow and cha::nge but I think that a:: ge affects it (0.4) INT: yea= STU: =as well an:: (0.5) STU: I think when you settle dow::n and your in a relationship an (0.3) INT: yea:= STU: =you (0.3) STU: you know like eh (0.4) STU: you know your part::ner sort of becomes your bu your best friend like his wife will be his best friend and like (.) Stephanie’s like (0.2) STU: I suppose you’d say my proper best friend now cause (0.4) STU: you’re the::re together all the time an you talk and you share stuff and= INT: =yea 14 TREVOR 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 STU: STU: INT: INT: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: (0.2) you know (.) although you know you talk to your friends about some things you wouldn’t (0.2) say that you wouldn’t sha::re with your partner and stuff so (0.3) yea (1.8) okay (1.0) em (0.4) so ↑how how how about other friends I mean do you do similar (.) thing::s with other friends= =eh:: (0.4) yea I go out (.) spread my xxx xxx ai::r (0.4) eh (.) go out for a meal eh (.) or (.) go for a (.) drink around tow::n and (0.9) and at wo::rk (0.4) eh m To Tom’s still the person I will sit there till four o’clock in the morning eh:: (0.6) to ha uh ha put the wor::ld to rights with but wh when I go out like (.) it’s a (0.4) I tend to eh: (0.3) still get up an (0.8) make a fool out of myself and dance and (0.6) mm but eh (1.2) its:: like some friends and I used to see like em (0.2) like eh (0.2) like Univer::sity and stuff and you know (0.5) and:: you don’t you don’t really go for a drink with em and stuff so there’s eh= =mmhmm (0.4) so that’s nice as well you just go for a coffee an (0.5) stuff and that cause eh (1.4) no its its its its a nice xxx its just xx thin:::g (0.4) 15 TREVOR 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 STU: you (.) you know you (0.5) STU: not gonna get hango::ver or anything like [ha ha ha ha] INT: [ha ha ha ha] (0.4) INT: your safe in [that knowledge] that coffee over here [yea]? STU: [mm yea] [yea] (0.5) INT: yea so there kinda slight sort of slightly different things than you [do with] other friends yea STU: [yea] (0.3) INT: .hhh em (0.6) INT: so you say you’ve got different groups of friends so you’ve got University pe people you met at [University↓ ] STU: [yea] (0.6) INT: eh::: and then you’ve got work colle::a[gues] STU: [yea] (0.4) INT: em (0.5) INT: is there any is there anyone else i in that in that partic in the particular group of friend that your (0.3) INT: that your close to? (0.6) STU: eh:: (2.1) STU: no I >did have another best friend< but eh I’d known him for a long ti:me but eh (0.3) STU: he started taking drugs and he changed so em we haven’t well (0.2) STU: we e:: xxx gone through it (0.5) STU: like I was to ill to be my friends eh best man so I was meant to be the best man an I let him down a week before the wedding (0.4) INT: oh [eh::] STU: [every]thing then (0.3) STU: wi we tried to be friend carry on being friends you know but he cha::nged so much that eh (0.7) INT: ri[ght::] STU: [you] know eh:: (0.8) STU: I had to walk away:: 16 TREVOR 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: INT: INT: (0.6) aw okay so so you so he started (.) taking [drugs] before before th his [wedding] [yea] [yea] (0.5) and then you couldn’t be his best [man because] of the [yea mhm] (0.2) [because of your illness] (.) [and] how did how did he react to that [ yea I was too ill] [yea] (0.3) eh (0.6) ↑oh it ↑was a horrible situation cause I cause I ended up having to tell my friend I did (1.2) me other frien(h)d ha ha ha an be his best man an (0.4) I felt I felt worse and I was like (0.2) look if you really need someone to do it I’ll do it and he was like no:: you can’t do it your too ill an (0.4 [mmhmm] [it it was just a] nightmare an (0.8) yea:: and how did that make you feel [know knowing] that you couldn’t [eh::] (0.2) [couldn’t be the °best man for him°] [oh and you feel crap and that] cause especially when you’d eh (0.8) know you’re close friends cause you’d feel you you to be sort of in the middle cause (.) you know like cause you’ve got two best frien::ds an was like (0.3) hang o(h)n ha (.) you know phe ha (0.3) ha (0.2) [yea absolutely] [what do you do] hmhph (0.2) yea::: so and then (0.3) so (0.4) em what what do you feel that changed then after that incident well not being able to be best man what how d’you feel that (0.3) .hh that changed your friendship? (0.6) 17 TREVOR 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 STU: eh::: (1.8) STU: I don’t re:: (0.5) STU: I don’t ↓know mean just eh: (0.2) STU: you know eh (0.5) STU: Jim he you just eh (0.3) STU: he just kept getting worse and worse and more selfish and selfish and (0.3) STU: [he was] saying nasty things about (.) my friends eh INT: [mhm] (0.5) STU: wife behind her back an (0.4) STU: like and that an (0.2) STU: you know and then he used to come to my friend saying stuff about me like trying to play us off an (0.7) STU: like I >didn’t say anything< (.) I was just like (.) you know (0.5) STU: I’ve had enough (0.2) STU: [my friend] carried on an he’s like INT: [mmhm] (0.2) STU: well you got to make an effort so I made the effort and each time it was just like your getting more and more (0.3) STU: let dow::n I was just like you know there’s no point= INT: =yea (0.2) STU: and that was it you know you xxx (0.6) STU: and it start effecting (0.3) STU: you an (.) per::sonally an how you fee::l and (0.9) INT: [yes] STU: [cause] people do change over ti::me an (0.2) INT: yea (0.2) STU: you know events and life affects people so you (0.7) 18 TREVOR 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 STU: no its its understandable but when you get to a certain point where you think hang on this is (0.2) STU: its just not wor::king= INT: =mm (0.5) STU: ss (0.5) STU: suppose like you know when you had em (.) bad relationship in the past you know and it comes to the time when you say hands [up] you know INT: [mm] (0.2) STU: not not doing me eh:: (.) any good you gotta (0.2) STU: >you gotta< walk away: (0.2) INT: yea (0.5) INT: how how when when d’you think you know when that points is (.) [would you say?] STU: [yea] (2.3) STU: eh when you start getting angry about it I’d say and you know you know and it it (0.3) STU: it can have (0.3) STU: s’more bad things than positive things [about it] INT: [mmhm] (0.2) STU: [of of a] relationship an its just like INT: [mmhm] (0.3) STU: >you know< (0.4) STU: he (0.3) STU: its just like hang on he’s really (0.7) STU: making hay may hay hate him and its just like (0.2) STU: no (0.4) STU: when you start feeling like that you know it’s a bad place to go so (0.5) STU: I mean (0.2) STU: I think its better to walk away than (0.8) STU: keep getting hu::rt an you know an (.) getting into (.) fights and arguments an s (0.6) 19 TREVOR 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 STU: [life’s] too short for that INT: [yea] (0.4) INT: so you kinda weigh up (0.3) INT: the think [kind of negatives and positives] in that in that [sense when] it becomes more detrimental to you:: STU: [pros and cons] [yea] (0.5) INT: that’s [when you] think it’s time to to [walk away] STU: [yea] [cause when its] affecting your friends and your [relationship with] other people as well an INT: [mmhm] (0.7) INT: yea:: (0.5) STU: naw >you gotta gotta< (.) s:uppose it’s like the greater good you gotta take everything into consideration and an= INT: =mmhm (1.2) STU: you just harra make the choice sometimes choices in life aren’t easy but I mean you know (0.8) STU: you have to make them (0.4) INT: absolutely so how’d (0.2) INT: how did you go about then (0.3) INT: em (.) ending that friendship? (0.3) INT: in that sense (0.4) STU: eh:: (2.4) STU: dunno it wa it was weird the levels xxx xxx (0.2) STU: past the last year I was eh taking ah (0.4) STU: a friend and and his wife out to dinner (0.6) STU: in it cause they had taken myself to dinner a few times cause I’d become a student an all (0.2) INT: yea= STU: =wasn’t wor::king so I was oh like ah like a thank you for you know (0.4) STU: you know (.) look helping us out an stuff so (0.3) 20 TREVOR 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 STU: >he was just like< (0.3) STU: xx a xxxx (0.3) STU: I’m coming along an I was like (.) yea de I said this this dinner is y’know (0.5) STU: eh a thank a thank an havin a going out another date for my birthday an (0.3) STU: I just felt he was being abusive to me so I just like oh (0.3) STU: I tell you what (0.4) STU: forget it an (0.5) INT: [right] STU: [I’m no(h)] eh >I was like I was like< don’t don’t don’t call me we’ll call you I was just like (0.3) STU: the fact that I was that I was (0.4) STU: that was it an (1.1) STU: no (0.7) STU: he (0.4) STU: but I think I think he got the message that I were just (0.7) STU: had enough (0.2) STU: nothing at all in my voice an (0.6) STU: that haven’t bothered (0.4) STU: calling him and he hasn’t called me so (0.2) INT: okay (0.4) STU: that’s not definitely not friendship it was eh (0.4) STU: I always think it was sad cause it all (0.7) STU: known him since I was eh (0.5) STU: sixteen in ↑college [so I mean it was] it was a long (.) [it was a long eh] INT: [okay] [you’d know him] for [a long time] STU: [old friendship an] (0.2) STU: so we hadn’t 21 TREVOR 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 1038 1039 1040 1041 1042 1043 1044 1045 1046 1047 1048 1049 1050 1051 1052 1053 1054 1055 1056 1057 1058 1059 1060 1061 1062 1063 1064 1065 1066 1067 1068 1069 1070 1071 1072 1073 1074 1075 STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: INT: INT: INT: INT: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: (0.4) di di did [but he’d changed] so much into someone I didn’t recognise any more an [mmhm] (0.4) ye[a:::] [an that that] (.) that’s the problem with him (0.5) yea (0.7) yea: (0.8) and em (1.6) and then (0.2) you you sort of mentioned that you know not not being able to be best best man (0.5) you felt had some impact on the relation[ship] [yea] (0.2) .hh did this coincide with him (.) him taking (0.7) drugs as [as we::ll] [I think that’s what I eh he went to Australia earlier (0.8) and an: (.)°mphm° (0.2) that’s when our relationship bit eh [change it] was (.) eh few years ago two thousand and three [mmhm] (0.5) um (0.3) like (0.3) for us pu (.) I I started going out with eh (0.8) Stephanie my partner an (0.5) eh (0.5) like he was always like (0.7) oh:: you gonna go up on Saturday you coming out it was like ho::me (0.3) I’m wi Stephanie an (0.5) you know I’d when I’d want when I was like eighteen I was like are you coming out and he’d like (.) oh I can’t come out I’ve got no pants cle::an and stuff like [that an] 22 TREVOR 1076 1077 1078 1079 1080 1081 1082 1083 1084 1085 1086 1087 1088 1089 1090 1091 1092 1093 1094 1095 1096 1097 1098 1099 1100 1101 1102 1103 1104 1105 1106 1107 1108 1109 1110 1111 1112 1113 1114 1115 1116 1117 1118 1119 1120 1121 1122 1123 1124 INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: INT: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: [right] okay eh and this sorta changed like when I when I when I got a relationship he wanted to go out all the time I was like (0.2) ok[ay] [hang on] you know ha ha (0.2) yea: (0.30) >don’t know< and then he went to Australia little but I think he started dabbling with drugs and stuff over ther::e (.) with some of his friends an (0.3) ok[ay] [and he] came back and he do but he was different but (0.3) you know (.) I kept on (0.7) trying:: [an] [mmh]mm (0.3) >but it was getting< you don’t you don’t a good friends a good friend an= =yea (0.5) but (0.3) s’only so much you can (0.6) d[o] [you] can take (0.2) yea (.) absolutely so you feel like (0.2) .hh that when when you got into a relationship (.) that had an impact as well (0.2) for him [became he] felt like he didn’t [have] [yea] [yea] before he felt he probably felt hurt like (0.3) and he Trev us Trev was always there you know just give him a call and he’d be on a Saturday night and I’d be like uh (0.3) hang on you know (0.2) some night I was a wassa (0.2) I wasn’t [the::re an] [yea] (1.1) you know an 23 TREVOR 1125 1126 1127 1128 1129 1130 1131 1132 1133 1134 1135 1136 1137 1138 1139 1140 1141 1142 1143 1144 1145 1146 1147 1148 1149 1150 1151 1152 1153 1154 1155 1156 1157 1158 1159 1160 1161 1162 1163 1164 1165 1166 1167 1168 1169 1170 1171 1172 1173 STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: INT: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: (0.4) but I was older eh him was nearly twenty-one you know and you sounding like you start (.) settling down anyway (0.4) and I don’t wanna go out drinking till four five o’clock in the morning em= =yea (0.5) you know come out for a few hours an (0.8) but again I got i::ll so (0.3) everything was changing for me anyway so= =yea (0.5) so (0.5) its just eh (0.2) [so it wasn’t] [its complicated] (0.3) ye[a] [m] (0.5) an eh absolutely (0.5) em (0.2) so that so em:: (0.3) T↓o↑m (.) the guy you were talking about a eh the beginning (0.3) em how how long how long can you imagine staying friends with Tom for (0.5) probably be friends forever me and Tom an (0.3) we’ve had two (0.2) but eh some we’ve had our eh (0.3) we’ve fallen out eh an you know as mates (.) as family do an that (0.2) [we’ve had] ar::guments we’ve disagreed and stuff an that but [yea] (0.4) you know (0.3) we’ve always both (.) I suppose you could say it’s a (1.0) 24 TREVOR 1174 1175 1176 1177 1178 1179 1180 1181 1182 1183 1184 1185 1186 1187 1188 1189 1190 1191 1192 1193 1194 1195 1196 1197 1198 1199 1200 1201 1202 1203 1204 1205 1206 1207 1208 1209 1210 1211 1212 1213 1214 1215 1216 1217 1218 1219 1220 1221 1222 STU: don’t know if its my life an like eh he’s he’sees his like (0.3) STU: texted each other an I said I’m sorry I’ve gone like (0.3) STU: yea yea we’re a bit were a bit stupid an you know we’ve just sort of like [put up our hands an] INT: [made up] (0.3) INT: [ha ha ha] STU: [cat and] carried on an (0.6) STU: that’s why I suppose that’s a sign of a (0.6) STU: a >good friend< cause you have a like other friends so when I trained used to have lots of training (0.3) STU: friends the (.) the people I trained about (0.2) STU: [once I was] unable to tra::in INT: [mmhm] (0.7) STU: like a lot lot of my friends (0.2) STU: stopped being friends and all the fitness instructors that were friends with were just like= INT: =mmhmm (0.5) STU: the sort of (0.2) STU: slo slowly and slowly and that you might be contacting them and like you know (.) its stu get its getting longer and longer for them to contact you back [and its jut like] INT: [yea::] (0.6) STU: oh you know they’re not really (0.5) STU: true friends they’re only friends (0.6) STU: from (0.5) STU: like that eh (0.2) STU: a community sense of (0.3) STU: you know you’ve (0.5) STU: once you’ve lost the that things that’s in common= INT: =yea (0.3) STU: and that that the sort of breaks the eh 25 TREVOR 1223 1224 1225 1226 1227 1228 1229 1230 1231 1232 1233 1234 1235 1236 1237 1238 1239 1240 1241 1242 1243 1244 1245 1246 1247 1248 1249 1250 1251 1252 1253 1254 1255 1256 1257 1258 1259 1260 1261 1262 1263 1264 1265 1266 1267 1268 1269 1270 1271 STU: INT: INT: INT: INT: STU: INT: INT: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: (0.3) tie:: I suppose (0.2) I was just gonna ask you why why (0.2) why d’you think then that (0.3) that (0.3) what what’s different within those within those friendships so there’s friendships at wor::k (0.3) yea= =and then like you say someone like Tom whose a very close friend (0.3) who stuck by you when you got ill (0.5) em:: (0.5) what what what d’you think is different within those those those two sort of friendships that makes: (.) Tom more long stan[ding if you like] [yea (.) I think] with eh (0.3) Tom is eh (0.2) I was like his instructor an I helped him lose weight an= =mmhm= =you know I (0.2) I helped him when he was going through a bad [time so:] [mmhm] (0.2) you know and em he’s helped helped me an (0.3) whereas other frie:nds and that you know (0.2) they’re your friends cause you see them every day and your training and your doing stuff [but] [ye]a (0.4) I think cause I went (0.4) outside of them all although I wasn’t there like (.) six seven days a week train::ing with them an (0.5) mmhmm= =you know (0.3) its sort of like 26 TREVOR 1272 1273 1274 1275 1276 1277 1278 1279 1280 1281 1282 1283 1284 1285 1286 1287 1288 1289 1290 1291 1292 1293 1294 1295 1296 1297 1298 1299 1300 1301 1302 1303 1304 1305 1306 1307 1308 1309 1310 1311 1312 1313 1314 1315 1316 1317 1318 1319 1320 STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: (0.3) ↓aw I’d left the group kin:d of thing if you understand what= =yea (0.2) so its almost [like] you’ve got just that one thing in common with [those] people [mhm] [yea] whereas with somebody that your (0.6) closer to you’ve got [(.) mo::re things] [you’ve got all those tie:s] (0.2) yea (0.2) cause I mean (0.3) training with people (.) an you know going out for a drink with them ssus stuff (0.2) its like a (0.3) a social thing more I suppose suppose like the bond was the train::[ing an] working with [mmhm] with these people (0.4) you know (0.2) like when you go outside them all and you know you (0.4) you know like when your deployed to another depa::rtment its just like (0.3) oh he’s he’s not with us anymo::re an= =yea (0.8) cause I went from being a fitness instructor (0.5) I was off for a year an that an end of pe (0.5) come back and work in eh en mackin in the management office (.) of (0.7) the accounts of the sports centre so it was like [it was one] of them as well eh [right okay] (0.4) oh he’s not one of us any more he’s he’s with the managers an (0.3) type of thing an [you know how] people get its like its like [right] (0.4) °it’s a o::h° (.) he’s turned on us and that you know (0.2) 27 TREVOR 1321 1322 1323 1324 1325 1326 1327 1328 1329 1330 1331 1332 1333 1334 1335 1336 1337 1338 1339 1340 1341 1342 1343 1344 1345 1346 1347 1348 1349 1350 1351 1352 1353 1354 1355 1356 1357 1358 1359 1360 1361 1362 1363 1364 1365 1366 1367 1368 1369 STU: you know he’s friends with the managers and he talks and he has a laugh and joke with them (0.6) STU: then I got transferred to education and then it was like (0.6) STU: oh he’s a he he’s nothing to do with spo:rt any more an= INT: =right [(.) in like] he’s in the dark side or [someth(h)ing] ha ha STU: [that’s it] [xx hu xx] yea cause I got redeployed to education so >you end up< making new friends and (0.2) INT: [yea] STU: [an then en] then I went back to spo:rt an then like the friends like you made in education was like (0.3) STU: ow you go back to spor(h)t you know you go you go back to another department its just like (0.2) STU: eh I’m still the same per::son but eh [yu:: sac sac] its how people INT: [yea] (0.2) STU: in their own mi::nds (0.5) STU: as if they form their own eh opinions and stuff an (0.3) INT: [yea] STU: [no like] (0.2) STU: their own bonds yea suppose suppose like you know (0.2) STU: your part to you an he’s like he’s not part of our team >he’s on another he’s on a he’s got< (0.5) STU: its just like you being in football like an you play for Everton and you go and play for Liverpool and the fans are like (0.6) STU: you know eh ha [ha ha ha ha em:: and] it’s just like hang:: on you know INT: [yes choose between (.) either side] (0.2) STU: where where does his loyalty lie:: an (0.2) STU: [when yous sent to these] places you have no contro::l over you just INT: [yea:: en] (0.6) STU: your your just a sheep aren’t you when you’re the pawn you just go whatever they tell you to do to try and keep your [job an] INT: [not easy yea] (0.2) STU: but (.) people are (0.5) 28 TREVOR 1370 1371 1372 1373 1374 1375 1376 1377 1378 1379 1380 1381 1382 1383 1384 1385 1386 1387 1388 1389 1390 1391 1392 1393 1394 1395 1396 1397 1398 1399 1400 1401 1402 1403 1404 1405 1406 1407 1408 1409 1410 1411 1412 1413 1414 1415 1416 1417 1418 STU: some people are I suppose you could say people are shallow an (0.6) STU: in some senses I and stuff but (0.8) STU: never to learn next way ensuring you learn from them (0.7) STU: you grow so (0.5) INT: so di so did you form any lasting friendships from the times when you moved from (0.4) INT: em:: like you say from the management side to then the education side did you form any [friendships?] STU: [eh]= INT: =when you were changing job (.) s::?= STU: =>I didn’t< the management I worked with an that they still email me now >an I see around< (0.3) STU: I do because eh (.) they didn’t want (1.2) STU: to s:: to eh (0.3) STU: other called er eh (0.6) STU: incapacity (0.2) STU: I was incapable of doing my job as a fitness instructor [so] INT: [right] (0.4) STU: I got my contract terminated >they didn’t wanna do it< but it was eh (0.6) STU: cause it was the council and they were short of (0.5) STU: money (0.4) STU: mwam (0.3) STU: um (0.6) STU: my job was eh: (0.4) STU: fifteen grand they could sa:ve so [eh it was sort] of INT: [right] (0.5) STU: bye-bye (0.2) INT: yea (0.5) STU: and I app xx (.) I still get the odd email an how you doing how’s Univer::sity an (0.7) 29 TREVOR 1419 1420 1421 1422 1423 1424 1425 1426 1427 1428 1429 1430 1431 1432 1433 1434 1435 1436 1437 1438 1439 1440 1441 1442 1443 1444 1445 1446 1447 1448 1449 1450 1451 1452 1453 1454 1455 1456 1457 1458 1459 1460 1461 1462 1463 1464 1465 1466 1467 STU: [you know] but put INT: [okay] (0.3) STU: it was eh I di did form friendships with them while I (0.2) STU: but (.) I think cause I was like (.) you know (0.2) STU: a few of the managers I was the same age like (0.8) STU: their sons and daughters so I thought (0.3) STU: like I’m you know cause (0.3) STU: I was ill an (.) I did make the effort to (0.2) INT: mmh[m] STU: [to] work and stuff I think they sort of respected that so they all stayed in (0.5) INT: stayed[ in contact] STU: [in touch but] (0.2) STU: ↑but I wou wouldn’t (0.8) STU: call them proper friends cause they’re just like you know associates that you know that you know (0.2) STU: [how easy] you know how’s your wife and daughter and you know INT: [yea] (0.3) STU: act it’s like (.) oh how are you and Stephanie and in an email an (0.2) STU: an you email back and if you saw them an that you’d have a pint with them an you know= INT: =yea= STU: =saw them in the street you’d stop them and shake hands an so walk on (0.2) INT: yea= STU: =you know its that (0.3) STU: you know its just the:re (0.2) STU: it’s a friendship but its not a (1.1) STU: a best friend type of [(.) friend]ship INT: [yea] (0.3) INT: yea (0.4) INT: and [> its very<] different 30 TREVOR 1468 1469 1470 1471 1472 1473 1474 1475 1476 1477 1478 1479 1480 1481 1482 1483 1484 1485 1486 1487 1488 1489 1490 1491 1492 1493 1494 1495 1496 1497 1498 1499 1500 1501 1502 1503 1504 1505 1506 1507 1508 1509 1510 1511 1512 1513 1514 1515 1516 STU: [mmhm] (0.3) STU: yea its different relationship (0.2) INT: yea:: (1.3) INT: okay (0.7) INT: em:: (0.8) INT: and then >can you think about the< friends that you had at school (0.3) STU: oh (.) [god eh schoo::l?] INT: [eh ha ha ha ha] (0.3) INT: [.hhh .hhh ha ha ha ] STU: [oh we’re talking a long ti::me ago now I would have thought eh ha] ha ha [heh he ha] INT: [can you tell me INT: anything about the friends that you had a [school] STU: [eh::] (0.9) STU: school? eh (0.4) STU: well I (0.4) STU: not a: lot (0.4) STU: quite a few friends in (0.4) STU: school but I went to an all boys school so eh:: (0.3) INT: tsk okay (0.2) STU: well (.) I went to a rough all boys schoo::l I went to ((SCHOOL NAME)) comprehensive schoo::l (0.2) INT: right= STU: =eh (1.2) STU: quite rough (0.6) STU: eh yea: so eh: (1.2) STU: eh (0.4) STU: I had lots of friends but eh (0.8) STU: well they 31 TREVOR 1517 1518 1519 1520 1521 1522 1523 1524 1525 1526 1527 1528 1529 1530 1531 1532 1533 1534 1535 1536 1537 1538 1539 1540 1541 1542 1543 1544 1545 1546 1547 1548 1549 1550 1551 1552 1553 1554 1555 1556 1557 1558 1559 1560 1561 1562 1563 1564 1565 STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: (0.6) suppose no one I had really wanted to stay an (1.0) so truth cause of the (0.4) it was like eh (0.4) three classes of people you had there (0.2) the people who were really rough and really nau::ghty >you’d have the< (.) really intelligent ones that the teachers gave the (0.3) attention and there’s the quiet ones like me and= =right= =yea (0.2) so eh (.) I just eh (0.6) I was I was dyslexic as we↑ll and:: I didn’t know at that times I thought I was thick so at school I was qui::et an (0.4) I just kept myself to myself although I did have friends an (0.7) stuff like that but eh (0.4) school wasn’t eh one of my favourite (0.9) [pla::ces] [so it wasn’t] a great experi[ence] [no::w] (0.3) yea (0.3) °no::w°= =em::: (0.7) and (0.7) did you have the same group of friends throughout school or:: did you change:::= =eh (0.7) eh it’s funny (.) ad a friend’s a junior school and I went to senior school so we’d sort of all stay friends (0.6) all the way through [school] but there’s other friends you know from other schools [mmhm] and (0.4) other classes and 32 TREVOR 1566 1567 1568 1569 1570 1571 1572 1573 1574 1575 1576 1577 1578 1579 1580 1581 1582 1583 1584 1585 1586 1587 1588 1589 1590 1591 1592 1593 1594 1595 1596 1597 1598 1599 1600 1601 1602 1603 1604 1605 1606 1607 1608 1609 1610 1611 1612 1613 1614 1615 1616 1617 1618 STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: (0.5) >and I would< (0.3) xx (0.2) we’d go up tow::n and you know and stuff an (0.4) no go round to each other’s house an (0.8) stuff an (1.0) I’ve::eh (0.3) I put in (1.2) I I do don’t suppose we’re friends enough to eh:: (0.3) you know we all went off and did our own different thing::s we’ve (0.3) [like some went ]off to eh a:: levels at Univer::sity have [mmhm] (0.3) like I went (0.4) I went (.) I went to college cause eh (0.7) I didn’t do that well in my g c s ee::s >cause I was< (0.5) I was dyslexic an= =mmhm= =and so you know we just all (.) sort of went our own (0.6) separate way after schoo::l (0.3) yea (0.5) so did you stay in contact with any of your friends from [school]? [eh::] (0.3) tsk (.)↑talk to a few of them on ↓facebook [and eh:: msn] still an:: (.) what (.) er:: [right] (0.3) you know (.) we’d catch up an that you know how you doing like eh (0.4) when I moved back to Wa::les eh (0.4) one one lads eh:: in the police force now an (0.3) [>you know< so] we do eh:: [okay] (0.2) eh we do stay in touch eh (0.3) 33 TREVOR 1619 1620 1621 1622 1623 1624 1625 1626 1627 1628 1629 1630 1631 1632 1633 1634 1635 1636 1637 1638 1639 1640 1641 1642 1643 1644 1645 1646 1647 1648 1649 1650 1651 1652 1653 1654 1655 1656 1657 1658 1659 1660 1661 1662 1663 1664 1665 1666 1667 1668 1669 1670 1671 STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: but (0.6) now eh I wouldn’t say we were friends like eh (.) we used to be we’ve (.) (0.2) [mmhhmm] [we were] kids then and you know (0.3) as a kid you don’t really know (0.9) mhm (0.2) much about anything you think you d(h)o but (0.7) [but I mean it a:::ll changes when when when you grow up you start wor::king an [xx] (0.2) yea::: absolutely >its just when you go< in different directions [as w as well] from school [yea] (0.4) so are you in (.) are you in close contact cause facebook’s an interesting one in terms of friendship I [think because] [yea] (0.5) em you can kinda be friends with somebody but also eh from like you say have that (0.4) that [distance] as well so that you can[catch ]up [eh] [yea] (0.2) yea (0.3) you catch up when you want to or rather you know you can just like (0.5) >yea like<they’ll message you you can actually stand back an (0.2) yea= =naw:: I wouldn’t say its like a close friendship its just like (1.5) you get them like wo::rk all times eh:: (0.4) well what what is nice that you know (0.8) naw in touch with him we do keeps (0.3) se:: (0.3) eh Trevor and I we’re gonna meet up and have a [dri::nk an ] [ha ha aha] (0.2) [has it happened] yet [we live] (0.2) eh we haven’t got around to it yet no (.) ha ha ha (0.2) 34 TREVOR 1672 1673 1674 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 1685 1686 1687 1688 1689 1690 1691 1692 1693 1694 1695 1696 1697 1698 1699 1700 1701 1702 1703 1704 1705 1706 1707 1708 1709 1710 1711 1712 1713 1714 1715 1716 1717 1718 1719 1720 1721 1722 1723 1724 INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: INT: STU: INT: its hard when you’ve got different life [styles] going on as well isn’t it= [yea] =yea (0.6) so have you have you done that since then school have you met up with your school friends since school? (0.3) I’ve met a few eh:: around town and stuff (.)[ just bumped into] them and we’ve had a drink [mmhm] and stuff and that but eh (0.4) haven’t all really gone out more (0.5) know why:: mmhm ha (.) ha [he ha] ha ha I was gonna say cause eh am um [yea] (1.3) no I’m um quite different to eh em a lot of the eh people I went to school with an (0.3) mmh[m] [I] try to distance myself from (1.3) that world I don’t know whether that’s good or eh (0.6) av done xx a few people I suppose you could say but eh (0.3) I’d class as (0.4) scallies and you know and I had nu nothing to do with that side so I’ve moved (0.8) moved away [from there] [moved away] an you [know] I moved to the city centre an [yea] (0.5) you know trying to go (0.5) my caree::r going I get eh (.) but (0.3) >I had a< (.) really good career an (0.5) I lost that so I’m trying to rebui::ld (0.2) yea= =my career and everything so (0.8) and you feel that those friendships might not (.) be:: (0.8) particularly sort of productive (0.3) for you then (.) [with this new change] [eh (.) eh it’s a different life] wasn’t it and eh your [different] when your at school an [mmhm] (0.4) 35 TREVOR 1725 1726 1727 1728 1729 1730 1731 1732 1733 1734 1735 1736 1737 1738 1739 1740 1741 1742 1743 1744 1745 1746 1747 1748 1749 1750 1751 1752 1753 1754 1755 1756 1757 1758 1759 1760 1761 1762 1763 1764 1765 1766 1767 1768 1769 1770 1771 1772 1773 1774 1775 1776 1777 and I’ve (.) and I’ve changed a lot more than what they eh (0.5) STU: the quiet person who’ll sit there anymore an (0.4) STU: °en don’t° (.) don’t get me wrong I’m not eh (.) overally loud or anything (0.3) INT: [yea] STU: [yea] (0.3) STU: I’ve (0.2) STU: I tend to sit there and take things in but if they’ve got something to say I’ll (0.3) STU: say it whereas when I was younger I’d just be like (1.0) STU: yea whatever (0.3) INT: yea= STU: =and that fraid (0.9) STU: sometimes I still think that (0.2) STU: people would prefer me the way(h) (.) I am am I am now cause eh (0.7) STU: now (0.3) STU: >cause if say something< I’m like that (0.3) STU: I don’t like that I’ll just like yea okay whatever and that’s (h) life an ha ha (.) eh ha see you later an [ha ha ha] INT: [yea] (1.0) INT: so d’you think without facebook then d’you think you’d have (0.50) INT: been in contact with the people that you ↑are in contact with from school? (1.0) STU: probably never really bothered no: it’s just eh (0.3) STU: found em (.) when I signed up put my eh (0.3) STU: now you put your school and [everything in] INT: [mmhm] (0.5) STU: most people start a message eh uh like a oh (0.2) STU: how are you doing> and I is like eh< (0.4) STU: oh god I haven’t talked to you since like eh (0.4) STU: nineteen ninety fi::ve (.) and you kn(h)ow [what I m(h)ean] INT: [ha ha ha] (0.3) INT: >eh yea< STU: 36 TREVOR 1778 1779 1780 1781 1782 1783 1784 1785 1786 1787 1788 1789 1790 1791 1792 1793 1794 1795 1796 1797 1798 1799 1800 1801 1802 1803 1804 1805 1806 1807 1808 1809 1810 1811 1812 1813 1814 1815 1816 1817 1818 1819 1820 1821 1822 1823 1824 1825 1826 1827 1828 1829 1830 STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: INT: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: (0.2) en n:: cause that’s like when I left schoo::l I was like (0.3) so so its like you know you catch up and then like you know (0.3) mmhmm= =like eh (0.3) pom send me msn address and if your on-line like and that an (0.3) yea we like an that (0.5) >and maybe we’ll< (0.2) like at first with a catch up and say why haven’t we done that and now its just like a (0.3) pop eh or how’s things going and all that one of one of thems now a teacher so I was like (0.3) how’s your job going as a teahe::r and you know (0.5) the [other one] like I was say::ing is in the police I was like [yea] (0.3) you know (0.7) how how’s your arrest rate doing and stuff like [th(h)at ha ha] [ha ha ha] (0.2) so ↑quite kind of [casua:::l]conversations:: [(.) y]ea [↑yea] [yea] (0.6) yea (0.2) and >how how how <how does it feel to catch up with people (0.2) [over something] like facebook? [eh:::] (0.8) eh (0.2) its ↑interesting cause you know (0.2) I mean (0.2) its just those (.) people still ali::ve and stuff isn’t it an [em:::] [yea] (0.8) you know its interesting seeing what people have gone on (0.5) to do: cause eh (0.3) you know eh (0.5) 37 TREVOR 1831 1832 1833 1834 1835 1836 1837 1838 1839 1840 1841 1842 1843 1844 1845 1846 1847 1848 1849 1850 1851 1852 1853 1854 1855 1856 1857 1858 1859 1860 1861 1862 1863 1864 1865 1866 1867 1868 1869 1870 1871 1872 1873 1874 1875 1876 1877 1878 1879 1880 1881 1882 1883 STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: eh (.) they’ve gone off in completely different directions that have xxx xx (0.7) that I thought they [was like eh] [okay] (0.4) the lad who en lives in Wa::les and that >he always wanted to be a vet< an en (0.2) he turned out to eh (0.5) no he’s went (0.2) it you know (.) got eh school and A levels and Univer::sity (0.3) he went off and he’s a truck dri::ver for like eight years and [then he star started to do] his eh [oh ↑wow↓] (0.3) access course and went off to be a teacher (0.3) aw [oh okay] [the other] lad he’s meant to be like a (0.9) eh you know quite (.) academic and that eh (0.4) you know he (0.4) he was like he went of and he was a mechanic an (0.6) [and an e] like he’s gone to the police now an [okay] (0.3) like eh like I’m the (.) academic one and that I’ve come to [xxx ha] an em at [ha ha-ha ha] eh Univer:::sity (h) [ha em] ha ha hm mm (.) and [all sorts] just as [you’ve got to stack] and [everything] its like everything an you know everythings right mixed arou::nd swapped arou::nd an (0.2) ye[a::::] [so I did have] qualifications through eh (0.4) I worked my way up from (0.4) you know basic fitness instructor qualification an (0.3) I worked loads it’s like the equivalent of (0.3) the sport ↑science degree an= =okay= =em (0.4) I’ll (.) you know (0.3) I was like O::w all all the fitness qualifications in sport psychology (0.5) 38 TREVOR 1884 1885 1886 1887 1888 1889 1890 1891 1892 1893 1894 1895 1896 1897 1898 1899 1900 1901 1902 1903 1904 1905 1906 1907 1908 1909 1910 1911 1912 1913 1914 1915 1916 1917 1918 1919 1920 1921 1922 1923 1924 1925 1926 1927 1928 1929 1930 1931 1932 1933 1934 1935 1936 STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: I can’t do that anymore an I was like (.) what am I gonna do I’ve (0.4) >lost my job< (0.2) I know I’ll go to Univer::sity so(h) I d(h)id the access course (0.5) [yea] [and yea so I wanna go back] on to rehabilitation but on the (0.5) on the other si::de so [but] [okay] (0.2) ↑all your friendships and everything an (0.3) how you from what you learn from other people helps you to (0.7) ↑yea:: ↓h= =help yourself and eh get a direction in (0.4) [in life] [okay] (0.4) and do you think that would have been if you: (0.02) hadn’t had been in contact with your friends from school do you think it >°would have been done°< it would have made a difference:: to your::= =no (0.4) no: (0.4) I wouldn’t ave ah (.) I make any xxx (.) you know eh (0.3) all these people eh:: (0.2) I’ll make a plan ah (0.5) and I decide I’m gonna do it and that (0.4) [I’ll] [mmhm] (0.8) you can do anything if you put your mind to it it might be har::d and you migh you might fail on the way but you’ve just got to keep eh (0.7) keep going and you get there eventually (0.2) yea (0.4) °unless° (1.0) that’s my ha ha that(h)’s what I’ve learned through through life an friendships and everything (0.2) yea= 39 TREVOR 1937 1938 1939 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 1945 1946 1947 1948 1949 1950 1951 1952 1953 1954 1955 1956 1957 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1969 1970 1971 1972 1973 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: =you know you go (1.1) but (0.2) NO:: it won’t make any difference to me it was ↑nice nice eh (0.7) catching up with them when I went on< facebook last year an cause it was like (0.5) like lots of people and that you know (0.2) oh you gotta go on faceboo::k and you know (0.3) its like a (0.3) like eh I was on like you find them you know when you (.) meet mature students before you [come to Uni:: and stuff] [↑oh right okay] (0.3) like eh (0.2) there’s one person on but I mean you come >on eh on that course that you met on< (0.2) you find wi some of your friends before we came to Uni:: which was (0.4) but on the first day it wasn’t (.) [it wasn’t lik but ] [aw righ::t okay ] (0.2) I’m I’m a all ↑there by myself [with all th(h)ese kids an] [he ha ha ha] (0.2) .hhh but eh (.) so I was like oh fo went on facebook and played around on there didn’t know again I wouldn’t wouldn’t (0.3) really (0.2) bothered me but meet up all the [same as xx] and I thought[ it’s nice] its just nice know that you know [yea] [yea] (0.30) mmhmm (0.5) that (0.9) he was still arou::nd and that you know its nice at least they’ve still got the respect and that (0.2) yea= =you know to to wanna (0.3) ask about me an (0.2) ↑yea[h] [you] know an its nice to have the interaction and you [know] maybe I suppose [yea::] 40 TREVOR 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021 2022 2023 2024 2025 2026 2027 2028 2029 2030 2031 2032 2033 2034 2035 2036 2037 2038 2039 2040 2041 2042 STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: it makes you feel a good in a sense that you’ve got interaction with eh (0.3) people that you used to know although you know (1.1) like (0.5) I say friends like when we were in eh (0.8) school and we were all like all a little gang of mates and stuff and now its nice to know that (0.4) you know (0.2) people still willing to talk to you an= =yea (0.9) [and they’re still arou::nd and doing well and (.) yea absolutely yea] [now remember you and them (.) xxx (.) yea] (0.5) so d’you think the friends that you a:: friends with on facebook how long can you imagine being friends with (0.2) these old school friends for?= =eh (0.3) well I eh (0.3) °don’t know° (0.50) see what happens (0.2) for as lo(h)ng as I’m using facebook [ha ha] [ha ha ha] but yea (0.2) [an eh I thought] facebooks more for eh [yeah] (0.3) games and distractions you know when your having a break from your coursewor::k an d you go for a (0.3) xx= =its more [procrastination] than anything ha ha ha [yeah] (.) you shouldn’t you know I shouldn’t really say that on camera [should I] [ha ha] [I study really ha::rd ha ha ha en ha ha] [ha ha ha ha ha ha] so this this website that you said you met with mature students and you developed a [friendship] (.) from the::[re] [yea] [yeah]= =can you tell me a bit more about that?= =it was one of those (.) you know when you sign to UCAS and UCAS emails an I was as like (0.3) eh (0.6) you find find five people you 41 TREVOR 2043 2044 2045 2046 2047 2048 2049 2050 2051 2052 2053 2054 2055 2056 2057 2058 2059 2060 2061 2062 2063 2064 2065 2066 2067 2068 2069 2070 2071 2072 2073 2074 2075 2076 2077 2078 2079 2080 2081 2082 2083 2084 2085 2086 2087 2088 2089 2090 2091 2092 2093 2094 2095 STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: (0.2) you going to (.) Univer::sity and (0.3) from on your course and you put like your (0.8) like eh (0.2) I’m (0.2) I’m going ta (0.3) I’ve applied for like eh (.) 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I’m I’m quite friendly anyway so (0.3) its been its been a good experience for me an (0.2) I was just about to ask you well first of all how did em (0.2) so did did (.) did did a friendship develop then? (0.2) [yea yep yea yea] [out of this initial] (0.4) [ it xx xxx] [meeting] (0.2) naw it was funny cause eh (0.5) like eh (0.5) were both em eh in the same eh (0.4) oh our surnames are similar (0.3) and that so we’ve been like in the same groups an and you know the [same classes] [right] (0.9) so its been but like I’ve made other friends and you know (.) ss some people nineteen some people (0.9) are older an (0.3) okay= =I’m the oldest and [ah ha ha ah] [ha ha ah] (0.20) well you know eh (0.4) an eh there does ss su s an that I find wi yu (0.4) 43 TREVOR 2148 2149 2150 2151 2152 2153 2154 2155 2156 2157 2158 2159 2160 2161 2162 2163 2164 2165 2166 2167 2168 2169 2170 2171 2172 2173 2174 2175 2176 2177 2178 2179 2180 2181 2182 2183 2184 2185 2186 2187 2188 2189 2190 2191 2192 2193 2194 2195 2196 2197 2198 2199 2200 STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: just talk to people an show them respect and they’ll respect you[ back and] that an eh that that’s the key to [mmhmm] (0.6) being friends with people you gotta its about give an (0.4) take and you gotta listen an (0.2) yeah (0.3) stuff an (0.8) so >how how how< did you find coming to University as a mature student and making friends cause that’s quite a unique experience [isn’t it?] [eh] (0.5) I dunno I think I (.) I think I think eh (0.4) its not too bad cause I think I’m still eighteen and that in [my mi::nd I still feel eighteen] an [ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ] [and you] know uh [ha ha] (0.2) I’m always up for a laugh and a joke eh (0.3) and that’s how its eh (0.8) lucky luckily I seem to have (0.4) slotted in and I’ve made some eh (0.50) some friends and like (0.2) we’ve all done work together an we’ve been out for dr (.) drink a few ti::mes and (0.5) you know like ee even (.) I’ve been on holiday with we all like talk to each other on msn or (0.3) we’ll text each other an you know an (0.4) wu (.) sometimes even ta::lk on the pho::ne (0.5) [or xx] [okay] (1.0) its ↑weird though cause I’m like the (0.7) they’re all (0.3) xx xxx (0.4) cause I’m I’m like (0.4) the only blo:ke cause I’m yu mean psychology course and (.) [unfortunately] the set out today 44 TREVOR 2201 2202 2203 2204 2205 2206 2207 2208 2209 2210 2211 2212 2213 2214 2215 2216 2217 2218 2219 2220 2221 2222 2223 2224 2225 2226 2227 2228 2229 2230 2231 2232 2233 2234 2235 2236 2237 2238 2239 2240 2241 2242 2243 2244 2245 2246 2247 2248 2249 2250 2251 2252 2253 INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: [yea] (0.2) the majority of the course is eh (0.6) gi (.) gi::rls [so like yea] (.) [yea so eh] [fema(h)le yea] (.) [ha ha ] (0.2) but luck luckily from ah my background at work I’m with young people old people (0.6) everything and that it doe doesn’t (.) bother me so I’ve just been able to (0.0) (0.90) fit in wi become one of the gi::rls kind of (.) [ah Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ah ha] [ah okay but do d’you think do you think then your previous:: your previous job like you say >interacting< with so many different [varieties] of people [yea] (0.5) do you think that’s then (0.3) [helped you to (.) develop your friendship]s [yea that’s definitely helped me (.) and who I am now] and the way I form friendships cause (0.4) when I was eighteen I used to listen in the gym I was [terrifi::ed and] you know [yea::] (0.3) like eh (0.6) like (0.3) the youngest person who came was fourteen and the ↑oldest person was eighty (0.4) you work::ed with people who’d had heart attacks and stuff and at first its like (0.8) °okay what I’ve ave I’ve° (0.3) the (0.2) they’re you know (0.3) they’re eh (.) sixty five how how do I ta::lk to them you know and I gotta show them respect an (0.2) [yea] [but] (0.3) you know just by being (0.4) I suppose by being [me an you know] jus just show the respect and that you know [mmhm] (0.3) you form these friendships and you know you fi::nd you can (0.7) like 45 TREVOR 2254 2255 2256 2257 2258 2259 2260 2261 2262 2263 2264 2265 2266 2267 2268 2269 2270 2271 2272 2273 2274 2275 2276 2277 2278 2279 2280 2281 2282 2283 2284 2285 2286 2287 2288 2289 2290 2291 2292 2293 2294 2295 2296 2297 2298 2299 2300 2301 2302 2303 2304 2305 2306 STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: (0.6) everyone’s got their own story to tell [so its it’s a] [yeah] (0.4) I suppose that’s the psychology side you sit there and you listen to them an (0.3) old people have stories about the wa::r and that you know (0.3) younger people they’ve got their own stories and [and you know xx] [yeah] (0.5) its all rich (0.4) xx good good eh (0.8) °that’s worth° (0.4) it’s been a good (0.2) yeah (0.3) like a building block to me to (0.3) lea::rn how to (0.7) talk to talk to people and interact with different people so I mean I (0.4) I’m lucky I suppose (.) >I don’t know if its< (0.2) you (.) I suppose you could call it a skill that I’ve (0.2) mmhm= =developed (0.3) yeah↑ (0.2) and one which (.) which is (0.3) >probably gonna be important< (.) as I want to be a psychologist so= =yeah (0.3) [absolutely] [and I’ve gotta be also eh] (1.2) listen and not talk to much an (0.2) unfortunately some times I ha ha I d(h)o talk [too much ] ha ha lucky this [is an interview] [ha ha ha] [ha ha ha] [ha ha ha ha] (.)[ha ha ha ha] [ha ha ha wow ha] (.) now its alright= =don’t worry if its [class I’ll just be sitting there] quietly but xxx [come through] but [ha ha ha ha aha] [ha ha ha ha aha] (0.2) 46 TREVOR 2307 2308 2309 2310 2311 2312 2313 2314 2315 2316 2317 2318 2319 2320 2321 2322 2323 2324 2325 2326 2327 2328 2329 2330 2331 2332 2333 2334 2335 2336 2337 2338 2339 2340 2341 2342 2343 2344 2345 2346 2347 2348 2349 2350 2351 2352 2353 2354 2355 2356 2357 2358 2359 STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: humph (0.5) .hhh (.) so em (.) so in terms of friendships that you you’ve developed at Uni it sounds like >you’ve developed< quite a wi::de (0.7) friendship base= =eh (0.3) would you say that all your friends are (.) em (.) different age:::s (0.2) ehm= =different groups [of people I] mean what kin (.) [okay ] [yea different backgrounds] and [everything] (0.2) you know eh (0.5) ss some (.) a couple of them are mature students a couple of them have (.) come straight from schoo:l (0.5) ye[ah] [come from] different places (0.3) some are from like eh Birkenhead some are from Liverpool some are from like Wale::s and (0.8) lots of different places so I it its good cause you (0.3) learn about different areas as well I knew some of the places I haven’t been too (0.3) so it’s like ↑what’s it like in and it’s like oh well it would be nice to go there an (0.2) ok[ay:] [its just like] ah where would you recommend going would you go the::re and so (0.3) >you know< its all that experience like (.) an (0.7) like eh (0.5) cause I’m from (.) you know like (.) people say (0.2) oh where’s the best place to go out so you’ve been out >so I’ve said< (0.2) oh go there and there but I wouldn’t go the::re and [like xxx xxx yea (.) yea (.) yea] [right yea so you impart your knowledge] [and wisdom cause you’ve] [yea (.) yea (.) yea] you definitely wouldn’t fit in in that place that’s a bit rough you don’t wanna go there [and so its like its] again friendships about sha::ring you [knowledge] and [yea::] [ye↑a↓] experience (0.6) and and would you say that you::r experience em of making friends at University was different from what you expected? (1.3) ↑no 47 TREVOR 2360 2361 2362 2363 2364 2365 2366 2367 2368 2369 2370 2371 2372 2373 2374 2375 2376 2377 2378 2379 2380 2381 2382 2383 2384 2385 2386 2387 2388 2389 2390 2391 2392 2393 2394 2395 2396 2397 2398 2399 2400 2401 2402 2403 2404 2405 2406 2407 2408 2409 2410 2411 2412 STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: (0.6) no I would xx eh (1.9) naw I just eh (0.6) naw I’m friendly like I even like friends:: an an::: not being ego (0.4) tistical or anything but I’m I’m just I’m (0.3) I mean (0.3) my philosophy in life is that I’m just em (0.3) I’m ju I’m just (0.2) the way I am I mean you know (0.2) some people are gonna li::ke me some people are::n’t and you know (0.5) >you know what I mean< but I can’t change for them what I here (1.6) I am (0.2) yeah (0.3) and that’s served me (0.3) you know (0.4) I’m you know um I’ve always (0.2) been taught from when I was a kid you know (0.3) treat people with respect (0.2) mmhm= =if you want to be treated with an I found you know that that’s a (0.5) I mean by (0.2) by doing that a lot people are (0.9) you know (0.5) willing to respect you back an you know that’s how friendship forms:: an (0.2) yeah (0.4) yeah:: (1.8) °mh ha h°= =↑yea↓h: absolutely have you have you developed a uh a kind of close (0.3) 48 TREVOR 2413 2414 2415 2416 2417 2418 2419 2420 2421 2422 2423 2424 2425 2426 2427 2428 2429 2430 2431 2432 2433 2434 2435 2436 2437 2438 2439 2440 2441 2442 2443 2444 2445 2446 2447 2448 2449 2450 2451 2452 2453 2454 2455 2456 2457 2458 2459 2460 2461 2462 2463 2464 2465 INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: one friend at Uni:: or have eh you (0.2) is is it just mo::re that you’ve got this [kind of] (.) close [group of friends] [yeah] [well I suppose] there’s the person I’ve eh (0.2) I met before Uni I suppose like (0.2) we’re a bit closer than (0.4) everyone else but cause we like tend to eh (0.3) talk on eh: msn and we text each other (0.2) [okay] [by luck oh] (0.2) my girlfriends got to know them as well an [girlfriend he] can talk to them on msn [°right°] (0.4) and that’s how we xxx xx its good good= =so this is the person that [you met] just [befo::re] this is the mature student that you [met] [xxx xx] [yea] [yea] just before (0.4) yea (0.2) then he came to Univers[ity so] [yea] (0.4) so (0.2) would you say that experience:: sort of sor:: solidified your relationship in that [sense] [eh] (0.2) ↑yea I suppose so cause we’re both from different backgrounds we’ve both eh done different things and (0.4) you know we’ve eh (1.3) worked hard to get here and we’ve go here an (.) you[ know] [mmhm] (1.2) yea (0.5 and that’s why eh (0.5) because we’re a similar a::ge as well I suppose (0.8) yea (0.3) remember the eigh::ties [and when we were kids trans]formers and [ha ha ha ha] 49 TREVOR 2466 2467 2468 2469 2470 2471 2472 2473 2474 2475 2476 2477 2478 2479 2480 2481 2482 2483 2484 2485 2486 2487 2488 2489 2490 2491 2492 2493 2494 2495 2496 2497 2498 2499 2500 2501 2502 2503 2504 2505 2506 2507 2508 2509 2510 2511 2512 2513 2514 2515 2516 2517 2518 INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: STU: (0.2) ha ha ha ha (0.3) no [button moon and all] that sort of thing [ha ha ha ha ha] (0.2) does it say so did do does your friendship with that mature student differ from your friendships with the ↑younger students (.) ss? (0.7) eh:: (0.7) wiv (0.6) I ↑don’t know I mean eh:: (0.4) pro probably the (0.2) they’re closer but on the other hand (0.2) you know (0.4) than xxx we you know (0.4) all the will talk to the young ones about (0.2) button moo::n but they haven’t got a clue who [button moo::n is] an [ha ha ha ha] (0.3) ↑Just talk at them about it [though at favourites xxx ha ha ha haha ha ha ] [ha yea (.) go on youtu:be a ha ha ha ha ha aha ] (0.2) yea[h] [you]tube eh (0.2) [eh ha ha ha ] [yea that’s] what I said to them if you don’t understand what I’m saying just go on youtube and it’ll it’ll be on the::re (0.3) [yea] [ah um] (.) relic of the past (.) ah ha [ha ha ] [eh cause] >that that that< that can often that can often be the divide [can’t it ]at University between mature students and [eh younger] students I know from [yea] [yea] my time at University that (0.5) you know you tend to have the mature students sit at the front and the the younger students kind of = =oh no we sit at the back (0.2) oh [Right oh okay you go to the ha ha ha ha ha] (.) [ha ha ha ha ] [he we broke the mould just ask Alasdair ha ha we’re in there] [ eh ha (.) I think that it makes him worried and that cause like we just sit at the back and he jus he he 50 TREVOR 2519 2520 2521 2522 2523 2524 2525 2526 2527 2528 2529 2530 2531 2532 2533 2534 2535 2536 2537 2538 2539 2540 2541 2542 2543 2544 2545 2546 2547 2548 2549 2550 2551 2552 2553 2554 2555 2556 2557 2558 2559 2560 2561 2562 2563 2564 2565 2566 2567 2568 2569 2570 2571 STU: STU: STU: INT: INT: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: INT: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: (0.2) like kinda he’s he’s like (0.4) (Student makes face gesture) have I done something or (0.6) we’re all shy and retiring [I suppose we are] ha ha ha ha ha= [ha ha ha ha] =but that seems like its been quite a different you know from my own experience and em (0.3) seems like quite a difference like you say from your [experience] from perhaps em:: [yea] (0.6) you know mature students I used to think we used to think they stayed within their own [gro:up] and [yea] they just talk::ed eh you know (0.3) >and probably< (0.3) that was em (0.4) partly our fault as well >in [that sense]< cause we didn’t really interact that much with matu:re [yea] (0.2) students you know when I was at University (0.6) it sounds like you’ve [had a very different experience] [yea] (.) [I think it’s different] with me cause eh (0.3) yea I know I know withdra::wl: mature students like (0.3) they’re mature students they’re young students I was like (0.6) the young students where Whe:: eh (0.30) we’re young students they’re mature [students an] [mmhm] (0.9) but what with mm my background it’s like (0.5) everybody’s a per::son [and] [well] yea (.) absolute[ely] [yea] (0.2) you know if someone tal:ks to me I’m gonna talk back an (.) you[ know] [yea] (0.6) and I’m av like if you talk and that I mean (0.3) I mean all you have to do (.) is (.) say (0.5) hello how are you and that and I’ll be fine and that an you know 51 TREVOR 2572 2573 2574 2575 2576 2577 2578 2579 2580 2581 2582 2583 2584 2585 2586 2587 2588 2589 2590 2591 2592 2593 2594 2595 2596 2597 2598 2599 2600 2601 2602 2603 2604 2605 2606 2607 2608 2609 2610 2611 2612 2613 2614 2615 2616 2617 2618 2619 2620 2621 2622 2623 2624 INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: (0.2) yea= =and I use:: you know you’re probably willing to break the ice an (0.6) I think a lot of eh (0.3) mature students will forbid the odd (1.1) oh how are they gonna take me if I goes over and start talk:ing to them [whereas eh] [yeah::] (0.7) you know its:: its just natural to me I mean I suppose cause I did all my wor:king (0.6) life and know I mean (0.2) I don’t feel (0.7) any different I mean uch you know (0.6) I could walk into a bar full (0.7) you know all the men and I could sit dow::n talk to them have a go and see ah (0.6) an a young place an I’ll sit down and that you know (0.2) I’ll talk to any↑one [an ] [yea] (0.3) >so I think that< maybe like you say it sounds like its been a really positive having that experience [through] previous to coming to University [yea] (0.5) like sec excepting that people are (.) are [people] have their own life story [yes] (0.3) been quite fundamental in developing (.) friendship (.) it [sounds] like [yep] (.) that’s what some of the young ones have thought as well (0.3) hang on he’s a:: (0.4) yea (.) he’s no normal and that= =YE(h)A= =he likes a drink an that you (.) he (.) has a laugh and that you know an (0.4) and (0.2) and an an you us (0.3) like like I got go when I was your age an I tell I tell them like and that but (0.2) and me and my mates used to go out and xxx xxx (0.6) 52 TREVOR 2625 2626 2627 2628 2629 2630 2631 2632 2633 2634 2635 2636 2637 2638 2639 2640 2641 2642 2643 2644 2645 2646 2647 2648 2649 2650 2651 2652 2653 2654 2655 2656 2657 2658 2659 2660 2661 2662 2663 2664 2665 2666 2667 2668 2669 2670 2671 2672 2673 2674 2675 2676 2677 STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: oh god we never (0.2) you know [and we never (.) yea ha ha ha] [didn’t expect that ha ha] (0.4) it sounds like you know its quite fundamental in breaking down barri[ers and ] preconceptions [yea] as [well that we just have] [up yea a lot of people have] (0.4) [bar]riers I mean like you get people [mm] (0.4) like eh (0.4) form their own groups like you know (0.2) and (0.4) ye[a] [an they] they cliques an them you know its like (0.4) who (0.3) we’re ol::d and (0.3) we’re young and (.) [where] does it all mean know what I mean [uh::] (0.8) and that (.) to mean (0.4) >I wanna get< psychology’s a people business [about ] [mmhm] (1.4) people so I mean you know (0.3) people are pe:ople (0.2) young old babies adults:: you [know] [yea] (0.2) you know (0.7) °mmhm° (0.2) >and an at< this friend that you described that you are quite close to this mature student you met prior to com[ing to] University [yea] (0.2) ..hh em:: (0.7) what what kind what kind of activities do you (.) d’you do you do with them?= =eh 53 TREVOR 2678 2679 2680 2681 2682 2683 2684 2685 2686 2687 2688 2689 2690 2691 2692 2693 2694 2695 2696 2697 2698 2699 2700 2701 2702 2703 2704 2705 2706 2707 2708 2709 2710 2711 2712 2713 2714 2715 2716 2717 2718 2719 2720 2721 2722 2723 2724 2725 2726 2727 2728 2729 STU: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: (0.7) eh: (0.8) we drink a lot of coffee (0.2) miss our lec(h)tures a lo(h)tta coffee ha ha ha ha .hhh [uh yea] [keep yourself] wired (0.2) [uh ha] [yea] (0.2) xx especially nine o’clock lectures and that [on a Friday mo:rning eh wu::w] [right yeah::::] [understand much more ha ha ha] [xxxx mach uch eh] (0.3) hu(h)h (0.3) >eleven o’clock break< (0.2) coffee(h) he: (0.2) yeah (0.2) [so::] [and eh] (0.3) >and I probably< (0.9) gone down the (0.2) pub (.) pub and eh you know [somet]::imes [>yea<] (0.6) and eh (0.6) have eh (0.4) have wiv eh (.) like eh (0.3) me and my aim is to have a barbeque for people and that so that everyone could cause no ones really remember party [eh like so (.) around] here [eh uh: okay] (0.5) so I’m gonna do something over the summer and so cause (0.9) its cause some of them have got like (.) eh children as well and that it it’s [a (.) har::d] trying eh [°mmhm°] (0.7) you know like (0.5) 54 TREVOR 2730 2731 2732 2733 2734 2735 2736 2737 2738 2739 2740 2741 2742 2743 2744 2745 2746 2747 2748 2749 2750 2751 2752 2753 2754 2755 2756 2757 2758 2759 2760 2761 2762 2763 2764 2765 2766 2767 2768 2769 2770 2771 2772 2773 2774 2775 2776 2777 2778 2779 2780 2781 2782 STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: I live over the wa:ter so it’s hard tying to get together to do something so that’s why its like texting and ema::ils and= =yea= =you know eh (0.5) and stuff (0.2) and that we see each other in Uni but because you’ve other commitments an (0.3) got (0.5) yea= =you know eh (1.2) but it its good to being at that stage where you can respect (.) eh each other’s that you’ve got your own (0.9) commitments and you know and its good to [have some]where [mmhm] (0.3) I was struggling with this piece of wo::rk an (0.8) they’ll help you if (0.4) like eh you know (0.2) cope if I’m xxx (0.3) failure about the exams and like they getting themselves upset or (0.3) and call them up and call like’s it the nights phones like (0.5) now what’s the worst that can happen if you fai:l you can (0.8) resit but you’ve done the wo::rk so I mean just go in an (0.4) try not to panic and I said you know when you panic it’s the wo::rst thing cause you (0.4) sit there for two hours panicing and (0.7) [yea::] [aware of thats::] (0.3) put >everything you can think of< on the paper and (0.6) fingers crossed and (0.20) INT: °mmhm° INT: STU: INT: STU: (1.4) [so ↑ you so have do you feel like you have] a certain role then as a as a more mature [°mmh xxx mmh xxx mmhmm°] [student] in terms of your friendships with others [oh right] 55 TREVOR 2783 2784 2785 2786 2787 2788 2789 2790 2791 2792 2793 2794 2795 2796 2797 2798 2799 2800 2801 2802 2803 2804 2805 2806 2807 2808 2809 2810 2811 2812 2813 2814 2815 2816 2817 2818 2819 2820 2821 2822 2823 2824 2825 2826 2827 2828 2829 2830 2831 2832 2833 2834 2835 STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: (0.2) I ↑wouldn’t say its (.) because I’m a mature student I’m sure it’s a friend as a fri::end its your job to (0.4) look after your other friends [I mean] [°mmhm°] (0.2) if someones being do::wn or something and you’ve got a friend and that I mean (0.3) its your responsibility as a friend to say look okay (0.3) but eh you (.) nee::d to ta:lk and (0.2) °mmhm°= =you know if you can offer them advice (0.4) offer them ↑advice and= =yea (0.5) an its nothing about being younger I’ve always felt you know (0.5) if (0.2) I see it as your place as a friend (0.5) like you know (0.4) like eh:: (.) the friends I’ve I’ve made now its like they’ve helped me with wo::rk and (0.4) I’ve done worrying and that you know an (0.3) aw you’ll be okay >I just felt< (1.2) for being friends support each other (0.3) ye[a] [and] you build your relationship and you need you need suppo::rt eh (0.02) yea= =just to get through things cause (0.5) I mean you get to the stage in (.) life where your realise that you know (0.7) you do need people aro::und you to help you an [you know] support an [yea] (0.3) like you know (0.6) like if your worried and that if you just talk about a piece of cou::rsework and just ta::lking about it (0.3) I’m like ever eh oh they’re worried about their exams well it makes it seem (0.3) 56 TREVOR 2836 2837 2838 2839 2840 2841 2842 2843 2844 2845 2846 2847 2848 2849 2850 2851 2852 2853 2854 2855 2856 2857 2858 2859 2860 2861 2862 2863 2864 2865 2866 2867 2868 2869 2870 2871 2872 2873 2874 2875 2876 2877 2878 2879 2880 2881 2882 2883 2884 2885 2886 2887 2888 STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: INT: not so bad your not by yourself then an (0.2) yea (0.4) oh that that’s the important about it (.) xx [sharing xx yea] [so your kinda sharing that issue ]yea (0.2) [yea] [li’ y’sha::] (0.2) you know eh (0.2) if eh like eh (0.7) some people (.) like >they’re worrying is like< (0.3) I always torn to them I do (.) especially the young ones (0.4) all of them (.) peep (0.4) do: you can see them think (0.2) how eh he’s worried and that eh it it must be natural that cause you know (0.4) and go xxx like (0.3) older and wiser and you know (.) people think oh you’re a bit wi::ser and you know your not (0.3) not gonna be worried about stuff well it’s human nature to worry [an ] [yea] (0.2) you know eh (0.5) they might as well come to think aw you do (0.9) worry about the:: or something so I mean (0.2) yea (0.3) and that (0.3) so being friends like people share a:: like suppose it makes (0.4) you know you (1.2) eh: (0.2) gets like you (.) bounce off each other don’t you so to say and that so (0.3) ye you end up feeling better and= =yea: u absolutely (0.2) yea cause then you’ve shared that that problem [as well] you’ve found some that a again 57 TREVOR 2889 2890 2891 2892 2893 2894 2895 2896 2897 2898 2899 2900 2901 2902 2903 2904 2905 2906 2907 2908 2909 2910 2911 2912 2913 2914 2915 2916 2917 2918 2919 2920 2921 2922 2923 2924 2925 2926 2927 2928 2929 2930 2931 2932 2933 2934 2935 2936 2937 2938 2939 2940 2941 STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: [yea] you’ve said about that common gro:und = =yeo::: ° I know° (0.2) being very important [as well] [it’s like when] you can share a problem and some shar:: eh problem [shared is (.) eh problem halve::d] [problem halve::d yea] absolutely (0.2) [I mean not that’s important] that’s why [°absolutely°] (0.7) in the main thing fri: friends are::: you know you you sha:re (0.3) learn from each other and (0.3) that >you make a mistake you< you can share it with them= =yea= and if they make a mistake you can (0.7) ye an (.) its like who ca::res and that’s what life’s about an (0.3) yea= =you need to learn off the things you see and the people around you and your friends and (0.9) I mean its all important for (0.4) making you (0.7) who you a::re and helping you learn you know to (0.2) be better and (0.2) yea= =progress as (0.3) you know as (.) as an individual and as a frie::nd (0.2) yea (.) absolutely (0.3) [yea] [and hop]efully like you know (0.3) other people around you you know (1.0) learn off some of the daft >things I used to do and say an< [you know an] [ha ha ha ha] (0.3) mu (0.2) only going to waa::rd street ah da ah [ha ha ha ha] [ha ha ha ha] (0.2) 58 TREVOR 2942 2943 2944 2945 2946 2947 2948 2949 2950 2951 2952 2953 2954 2955 2956 2957 2958 2959 2960 2961 2962 2963 2964 2965 2966 2967 2968 2969 2970 2971 2972 2973 2974 2975 2976 2977 2978 2979 2980 2981 2982 2983 2984 2985 2986 2987 2988 2989 2990 2991 2992 2993 2994 INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: that’d be a bad idea [ha ha ha aha] [ha ha ha ha] (0.3) god >where did you get that< jo:ke from?[ ha ha ha ha] [ha ha ha ha] (0.2) °humph° (0.3) .hhh so ↑can you think of em:: (0.3) tsk (0.3) an example from your own experience that demonstrates what your friends:: (0.8) mean to you::? (1.6) eh what my friends mean to me (0.6) eh: (2.0) ↑I don’t its it (.) its hard to say I suppose friends are (0.7) like the add-on to your family really an= =°mmhmm°= =you know proper friends and that only its like (0.3) STU: like your (0.3) STU: family someone upsets (1.7) STU: member of your family= INT: =mm (0.2) STU: your friends and that upsets (0.7) STU: you xx something to say an= INT: =yea (0.9) STU: and you need to work hands to help your friends (0.2) INT: mmhmm= STU: =help them (1.6) INT: so has a friend ever demonstrated a particular act of kindness that you’ve thought you know that that’s really what (0.8) INT: that epitomises to me what (0.3) INT: what a friend[ship is] and what it means [to ↓you] STU: [yea] [eh::] (0.2) STU: I suppose ↑ again coming back to my best friend (0.4) STU: INT: STU: 59 TREVOR 2995 2996 2997 2998 2999 3000 3001 3002 3003 3004 3005 3006 3007 3008 3009 3010 3011 3012 3013 3014 3015 3016 3017 3018 3019 3020 3021 3022 3023 3024 3025 3026 3027 3028 3029 3030 3031 3032 3033 3034 3035 3036 3037 3038 3039 3040 3041 3042 3043 3044 3045 3046 3047 INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: mmhmm (0.2) Tom and ah:: we’ve always been friends but I mean (0.4) like eh (1.0) un (.) couple of weeks ago it was my bi::rthday and we wen out and hi him and his wife were (0.3) all paying for everything on their own and like (0.2) naw we’ll go we’ll we’ll go half each and he was like (0.3) oh no we’re paying it next ti::me and [hu ho:] [xx xx] (0.4) wa: eh li like his wi wife was I wear the trousers you shut up [and I’m like] [uh ha eh ech] and that’s how I mean (0.4) no so like next time we go ↓we’ll we’ll pay for it (0.8) dinner an but that’s what we do like and they’ll pay one time and we’ll pay another and= =yea= =you know so (0.7) I mea:n I suppose that’s that’s like a true friendship isn’t it you know [(.) it’s a] really good eh:: [yea:::] (0.2) that that real give and [take and] an and that trust I guess as well in knowing that you wi::ll [yea] (0.2) [you(h)’ll] keep your wo(h)rd:: and= [yea] =>you know what I mean< we we’re friends trust builds the long the longer you know each other the more the trust (0.4) mmhmm= =builds up and the close the closer you get so that’s why I say you have different stages of frien:::ds = =yea= =and that and that’s why its different wi’ To::m like twelve years knowing each [other and that you know ] [mmmhhmm] (0.5) like (0.3) like you know (.) I can eh just by hearing his voice on the phone I can go (0.5) what’s up? (0.5) [yea] [like you can] y’can y’can y’can 60 TREVOR 3048 3049 3050 3051 3052 3053 3054 3055 3056 3057 3058 3059 3060 3061 3062 3063 3064 3065 3066 3067 3068 3069 3070 3071 3072 3073 3074 3075 3076 3077 3078 3079 3080 3081 3082 3083 3084 3085 3086 3087 3088 3089 3090 3091 3092 3093 3094 3095 3096 3097 3098 3099 3100 STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: INT: (0.2) you can just se:: (.) you know it’s like a sixth sense you can just (1.0) sense it and I think it’s the same with me:: he’s like you know (0.3) and he >oh aren’t you feeling too good< oh yea I’m fine:: it’s like oh don’t (.) don’t give me crap an like he can sense you know::= =ye[a::] [cause] cause you know what blokes like I’m fi:::ne like he’ll go I’m fi::ne your ↑ not fi::ne and ju just you know (0.4) tha::n (.) but (.) but we’re close enough to just like you know (1.0) open up to each other then (0.2) and after we’ve done (0.4) the macho thing: (.) ha ha= =yea= =for fi::ve minu[tes ha ha] ha ha [ha ha ha ha] [yea] (.) so what what what [what do you] think changes then in the friendship that makes you more that makes you more intuitive like that what what is it d’you think that (.) do you think that changes= =eh:: (0.6) dunno ↑ I think I think things been learning ech we’ve (.) we’ve got older (0.2) [mmmhmmm] [and we’ve settled dow::n and we’ve been through a lot of expe::ri[ences tog]ether [mmhm] (0.3) yea= =and that but (0.3) I think the thing is we know (0.7) each other’s the::re for (0.9) one another I mean (0.7) so (.) so knowing you got [that that] strong [support] [yea] [yea] (0.2) makes you feel (0.2) more [(.) emphathy] [yea:: like I said before] an that we got stuck somewhere on a Saturday night was in trouble and we (0.6) like he pick up a phone and say Trev look eh::: can you come and get me and I’ll be like yea no problem or (0.3) [yea::] 61 TREVOR 3101 3102 3103 3104 3105 3106 3107 3108 3109 3110 3111 3112 3113 3114 3115 3116 3117 3118 3119 3120 3121 3122 3123 3124 3125 3126 3127 3128 3129 3130 3131 3132 3133 3134 3135 3136 3137 3138 3139 3140 3141 3142 3143 3144 3145 3146 3147 3148 3149 3150 3151 3152 3153 STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: [like eh] (0.2) If I got stuck somewhere and like and he he he >said in the past< I’ll jump and come and get your or:: (0.3) yea= =you know (0.7) but what does that mean to you? (.) to have that [friendship] [its eh] (0.4) means a lot to eh being able to (1.3) °I dunno° I suppose in a sense it’s like eh (0.6) means more than family cause I mean it [it is closer] and that [°mmhm°] (0.4) like I ↑haven’t got a brother (0.3) or (.) sister but I see him like a (.) brother so I mean= >yea< (0.4) .hhh he sees he sees eh like the same and close to his like Mum and Dad as well (0.3) like [he’s close to] my Mum and Dad an [°okay:: °] (0.4) yea= =that’s so: so its eh (0.4) so↑ I say like eh it’s a eh (0.2) it’s a really good friendship cause like (0.4) I:: can just go round his Mum and Dad’s and you know (1.0) and like .hh talk to his Mum and Dad for a few hou::rs and (0.5) he’d do the same for my Mum and Dad and (0.7) you know an (0.3) like when ave the family barbeque like and that eh:: (0.4) like its like (0.3) oh he’s eh (.) make sure Trev’s coming and you know [like the] [yea] (0.2) >if they go out for a drink< it’s like oh (0.2) let’s ask Trev and Stephanie to come 62 TREVOR 3154 3155 3156 3157 3158 3159 3160 3161 3162 3163 3164 3165 3166 3167 3168 3169 3170 3171 3172 3173 3174 3175 3176 3177 3178 3179 3180 3181 3182 3183 3184 3185 3186 3187 3188 3189 3190 3191 3192 3193 3194 3195 3196 3197 3198 3199 3200 3201 3202 3203 3204 3205 3206 INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: (0.5) yea= =and so its eh re really goo::d an (0.6) like wh eh (.) Tom and Tracy can be go round to us like (0.6) my Mum and Dad and you know it (0.9) and stuff as well so so it work::s really (0.6) [so you’ve got just as close] to his [family as well eh as you do] to (.) him [cause] of yea [ourselves] [yea that’s right] [yea] so that’s why I said its different (0.7) next stage stage an that’s more like a (0.6) a family frie::nd you [know best friends] and its like [yea] (0.4) there’s friends: and (0.3) >then there’s like< (.) where you wor:k or whether [you] (.) train with them= [yea] =so there’s kind of[ like a kind] of hierarchy of [ju its it’s] [a like with friendships] [just] [yea] [or you could say its eh] human nature if your (0.7) animals and its just like the pi pack and there’s different stages in the pack [an] [yea] (0.5) yea (0.7) suppose you could say (0.5) that (0.4) ↑have you ever have you every been let down by a friend::? (0.2) eh:: (0.2) yea (.) I’ve been I’ve been let down but eh (.) >yea that’s human nature< I mean people let you dow::n I mean (0.2) °mmhm° (0.2) ur:: eh (1.0) but (0.8) you know that’s I suppose again >that shows the difference< between a (0.3) true friend an (0.3) 63 TREVOR 3207 3208 3209 3210 3211 3212 3213 3214 3215 3216 3217 3218 3219 3220 3221 3222 3223 3224 3225 3226 3227 3228 3229 3230 3231 3232 3233 3234 3235 3236 3237 3238 3239 3240 3241 3242 3243 3244 3245 3246 3247 3248 3249 3250 3251 3252 3253 3254 3255 3256 3257 3258 3259 INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: °yea° (0.4) one who you know is more like a social friend I mean (0.3) a true friend (0.8) will do everything they can not to let you (0.6) down whereas (1.0) you do get let dow::n don’t get me wrong but (0.4) other people (0.3) you know its just like (1.5) I’d rather go to (.) and what you meant to go an uh I’d rather go to Bingo than eh (0.2) you know (0.6) go (.) go wi: (0.2) go off for a drink and that but but I’d rather go with eh out wi a family an you know you arrange to do something and (0.4) you get let dow::n but I mean its (.) its li:fe isn’t it I mean (0.2) yea (0.5) like you know (0.7) is it (0.5) is: (.) again its lear::ning isn’t it (0.5) and its useful ou:: to dwell on things its like (0.4) ↑oh ↓well (0.4) um:: go >for a drink< by my↑self (0.3) [yea::h] [he ha hi (.) ha ha xxx] and a set of one [ha ha ha ha] [ha ha oh ↓well] (.) [ha ha ha ha ha] [ha hahaha ha ha] (0.2) .hhh so em::: (.) so when so when you let (.) when when you’ve been let down ↓before (0.2) with within a friendship how how’s that made you (.) how’s that made you fee:l? (0.4) eh: (1.6) >I’mean<: 64 TREVOR 3260 3261 3262 3263 3264 3265 3266 3267 3268 3269 3270 3271 3272 3273 3274 3275 3276 3277 3278 3279 3280 3281 3282 3283 3284 3285 3286 3287 3288 3289 3290 3291 3292 3293 3294 3295 3296 3297 3298 3299 3300 3301 3302 3303 3304 3305 3306 3307 3308 3309 3310 3311 3312 STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: (1.0) ↑suppose as Igot older >you know what I mean its just like< (0.2) analysis (0.2) oh its one of those things but when your younger and that you do get hu::rt by it (0.4) it annoys you and its just like (1.4) why the hell they done that and all that what does it all mean (0.3) well it’s the stage life where you can handle like (0.4) things happen you know people have their commitments and you know (0.5) °help° (1.0) its like as I said its different stages of friends and stuff and (0.3) other things come up and their more important I mean (0.2) [yea] [>to me it’s just<] (0.4) it it its just li:fe (0.5) right (0.6) I know (0.6) ha he ho ha ha ha (.) and that but eh:: he ha I’m quite easy go::ing so I mea::n (1.2) and like you say [it sounds] like (.) whi: [xxx xx] (0.2) whe when you know the true friendships are deliberately letting you [down] [yea] as well that that makes a difference to actually someone (0.3) yea= =em (0.9) >you know< almost deliberately (.) sort of letting you down wi ↓within a friendship (0.6) yea (0.3) I mean (0.4) ↑whu I’ mean sometimes you do get fobbed off and you know but I mean (0.3) it (.) again it’s part of life and y’I’mean (0.4) there’s no point in getting angry over every little thing and that cause you know 65 TREVOR 3313 3314 3315 3316 3317 3318 3319 3320 3321 3322 3323 3324 3325 3326 3327 3328 3329 3330 3331 3332 3333 3334 3335 3336 3337 3338 3339 3340 3341 3342 3343 3344 3345 3346 3347 3348 3349 3350 3351 3352 3353 3354 3355 3356 3357 3358 3359 3360 3361 3362 3363 3364 3365 STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: (1.6) what’s the point in it? (0.3) yeah (0.2) >you know what I mean< go off and xxx other friends:: an (.) stuff if someone lets you down and that (0.3) there’s always someone to go for a drink with an em (0.2) I’ll finds someone of facebook or something [xxxx ha ha ha ha ha] can you get me on xx xx [ha ha ] [yea eh he ha he ha] [remember that policeman]= =yea[ha ha ha] [ha ha ha] (0.3) .hhh so in ↑summary em (0.7) can you s::: (.) can you sum up what friendship means to you?= =eh (1.5) sum up what friendship means its eh (0.3) suppose its about (0.2) loyalty (0.4) eh xxx (0.2) loyalty between two people respect (0.8) understanding (0.8) eh (1.7) eh been having war(h)m feelin(h)gs and ca(h)ring for each other (0.2) yea= =god that’s got to be in it [as well] [ha ha ha ha] the hard man image [is ruined] you know (.) eh understanding sha::ring= [ha ha ha ha] =mmh= =yea (0.6) bonding (0.5) yea (0.5) °yea° (0.3) bit (.) but the male thing you know 66 TREVOR 3366 3367 3368 3369 3370 3371 3372 3373 3374 3375 3376 3377 3378 3379 3380 3381 3382 3383 3384 3385 3386 3387 3388 3389 3390 3391 3392 3393 3394 3395 3396 3397 3398 3399 3400 3401 3402 3403 3404 3405 3406 3407 3408 3409 3410 3411 3412 3413 3414 3415 3416 3417 3418 STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: STU: INT: STU: STU: STU: INT: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: (0.3) the male hugging and all that you kno(h)w and [you kno(h)w ha ha] [ha ha ha ha] but an you know its just you know about being honest with yourself and= =mm= =they can be themselves and (0.3) don’t put on an act or anything you can be who you are:: and (0.2) yea= =they respect you for that and you respect them for that an= =yea= =you know (0.4) °he could° (0.3) yea:: you gotta understand with friends as well (.) yea they’re gonna make mistakes they’re gonna do things you don’t like but (0.4) hell I know (0.4) I’m gonna do the sa::me an in ma: (0.3) that’s about being matu::re enough to (0.6) get me down problem to wo::rk through an= =yea (0.6) you know that’s that’s what friendship is:: (0.3) yea= =it’s a (0.3) suppose it’s a bond between (0.8) two or more ↑people (2.5) yea (0.2) could be= =yea (0.8) and no(h)w uh he (0.3) yea (.) I’m that knackered I don’t know what to say [on that one] [ha ha ha ha] (0.2) .hh well ↑ perfect summary thank you [very muc]h [oh that’s okay]= =↑okay [so] [xx] (0.3) stop recor↑ding?= 67 TREVOR 3419 3420 3421 3422 3423 3424 3425 3426 3427 3428 3429 3430 3431 STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: STU: INT: =okay= =okay (0.7) delete delete delete [ha ha ha ] [ha ha ha ha] (0.4) ↑worst [interview ever] [oh it’s well eh::] if [you say that it’s] well said [ha ha ha ha] (0.7) okay: (0.7) *END* 68
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