Absence of cortisol awakening response in children and salivary cortisone as related, promising stress marker. (reply on HRE_201112011_0_s_1) Nathalie Michels Department of Public Health, Ghent University, Belgium I thank Dr. Atabek for his interesting comments [1] on our article ‘Children’s morning and evening salivary cortisol: pattern, instruction compliance and sampling confounders’ [2], raising the important point on frequent cortisol awakening response (CAR) absence, the scientific uncertainty about its general existence and possible underlying factors. I absolutely agree (as was stated in our discussion section) that the hypothalamic-pituitaryadrenal (HPA) axis can be influenced by sleep related factors. Napping during the day would not be an important influencing factor in our age group: a current habit of napping was only reported by two parents. Other sleep related factors are quantity and quality of sleep [3] (including transitional awakening) and ambient factors like amount of light [4]. If enabled by research budget and logistics, all of these influencing factors could be recorded by sleep actigraphy (since recent devices also include a light sensor) [5]. As Dr Atabek aptly said, extra-pituitary input from the hippocampus and suprachiasmatic nucleus exist in both the pre-awakening and immediate post-awakening period [6] and this involvement of the suprachiasmatic nucleus (our internal light sensor) could indicate e.g. the influence of light during awakening. Specifically for paediatric research, with parentally reported sampling time as a proxy of self report, actigraphy could offer a major advantage by detecting the critical lag between the real awakening time and the parental reported (=determined) awakening time [7]. In our opinion, this parent-induced and also the unintended time lag caused by transient awakening are the most plausible factors for CAR absence in our child population, although the possibility of CAR absence as general characteristic cannot be excluded. In the letter, more medical influencing factors like pain and aspirin use were suggested. However, saliva sampling only occurred when completely healthy. As mentioned by Dr. Atabek, salivary cortisone (the inert cortisol form oxidized by 11βhydroxysteroid dehydrogenase) represents another promising stress marker as it even better reflects the active free serum cortisol and as higher salivary cortisone concentrations with a similar diurnal rhythm were reported [8, 9]. Unfortunately, salivary cortisone has not been measured in our study, but both cortisol and cortisone have recently simultaneously been measured on hair as stress marker in girls [10]. 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