CHYP IN
Children and Young People in Newcastle
voluntary sector
forum
Notes of the CHYP IN voluntary sector forum
held on 20 October 2015 @ Broadacre House
The presentations are in the CHYP IN forum drop down area, visit
www.cvsnewcastle.org.uk/our-services/representing-the-sector
Participants
Grace
Orlean
Sue
Sally
Elizabeth
Alexandra
Jennifer
Karen
Rachael
Dr Dawn
Martin
Thamy
Pam
Steve
Elizabeth
Dean
Darin
Sophie
Jacqueline
Sara
Fred
Busola
Lynne
John
Gemma
Lynne
Gillian
Jenny
Dunne
Harbinson
Curry
Marriott
Fry
Marsden
Jobson
Williams
Hope
Scott
Gollan
Haque
Jobbins
Mack
Fletcher
Curry
Maudlin
Bills
Hall
Newson
Suadwa
Afolabi
Ryan
Percival
Dyer
Livsey
Atkinson
Harrison
Anne Frank Trust
Barnardo's
Barnardo's
CORC
Depaul UK
GemArts
Groundwork South Tyneside & Newcastle
NAPI
Newcastle City Council (NCC)
Newcastle City Council
Newcastle CVS
Newcastle CVS
Newcastle CVS
Newcastle United Foundation
Newcastle Young Carers, Barnardo's
Patchwork
Play & Youth Support Team, NCC
Play & Youth Support Team, NCC
Rape Crisis Centre
Stepney Bank Stables
Streetwise
Success4All
Talbot House Trust
The Foyer Federation
The Prince's Trust
Thirteen Care and Support
Tomorrow’s People
Under the Bridge
Henderson
Tait
Can Do Project, Leonard Cheshire Disability
NSPCC
Apologies
Ann
Steven
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Expanding Minds, Improving Lives
‘Expanding Minds, Improving Lives: Motivating and working together to
transform children’s and young people’s mental health’ is a joint local authority
and CCG project to make the case for change in children’s and young people’s
mental health services across Newcastle and Gateshead.
Dr Dawn Scott, Principle Consultant in Public Health, Newcastle City Council, gave a
presentation on the progress of the Expanding Minds, Improving Lives Project, which
was known as the Collaborative Commissioning Project for Children and Young
People’s Emotional Wellbeing and Mental Health.
The key points
The new name was chosen by young people at a workshop
The CCG is to decide on the level of decision making that will be made by the young
commissioners, currently being recruited. They will be champions for young people,
not necessarily users of CAMHS
Helix Arts has a project working with younger CAMHS users, funded by the Paul
Hamlyn Foundation
The project is developing the Case for Change – rethinking the way that services for
‘tier 2’ and ‘tier 3’ are provided
The Case for Change will inform a 3 year Newcastle Gateshead Transformation Plan
The draft Transformation Plan, currently 89 slides, will be made public soon
The project it is a ‘whole system’ approach not just about the spend by the CCG
There will be listening events on 3 November in Newcastle and 7 December in
Gateshead and an event for parents and carers on 5 December
Views will also be invited through surveys and calls for information
The background document is Future in Mind – which outlines a five year
Transformation plan
Transformation Plan - Overarching priorities
Parity of esteem
Workforce development
Services (especially inpatient) closer to home
Equity of access
Meeting the needs of the community
Transformation Plan - Key priorities
Eating disorders
Children and young people’s IAPT including supervision across the system for VCS
organisations
Crisis response
Early intervention and prevention
Learning disability
Reducing inequalities
Workforce development
At risk of developing personality disorders
Perinatal care
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The project is looking at:
Where support is offered, where early intervention and prevention is, as people need
to access support as soon as possible wherever they are
Training needs
A question was asked about links to the Vanguard project in Gateshead. Dawn said
she would find out more
A question was asked about links to Newcastle Family Services Review. Dawn said
yes it will link to the Family Community Hub being developed and also to the Children
Social Care changes (Family Insights).
Dawn said that one of the questions will be: are the Community Family Hubs in the
right place for services for children and young people, including needs at night?
There will be links to Parents Under Pressure (pup) and Parent Improvement
Partnerships (pip).
The aim is to enhance provision in Newcastle and build up in Gateshead – such as
TAMHS (Targeted Mental Health Service) where Gateshead did not continue when
government funds stopped while Newcastle did.
There is an in-year government grant of £700,000 across Newcastle Gateshead; and
£250,000 for eating disorders – aim to spend on preventative services by early April
(in context – the mental health spend in Newcastle Gateshead is £7/8 million now)
For example – mental health first aid training for all workers. Future grant depend on
the Spending Review.
Dawn asked about a voluntary sector intervention within the waiting period – which
could currently be 18 weeks.
What would a voluntary sector interim offer look like during that waiting period? In
adults there is internet talking therapies
An interim offer is needed as before CAMHS is transformed, the services are not
there in the interim but the children and young people are
Action
If you have ideas and want to comment on how things could be improved, or ideas
about an interim offer and prevention next steps contact the project manager, Sophie
Stallworthy on [email protected]
Regular updates will be circulated by Newcastle CVS and posted on Newcastle
Gateshead CCG websites and further information and event notices
Book your place at the Expanding Minds, Improving Lives listening events
3 November, 1.30 pm to 3.30 pm at Newcastle City Library
http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/expanding-minds-improving-lives-engagement-eventfor-professionals-tickets-19031537842
7 December, 1.30 pm to 3.30 pm at Gateshead Civic Centre
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/expanding-minds-improving-lives-engagement-eventfor-professionals-7th-december-tickets-19144625089
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These are multi-agency events are for people working in Newcastle and Gateshead
in the NHS, local authority, community and voluntary sector and other agencies. The
events are not area specific, so Newcastle staff can attend the Gateshead event and
vice versa. These events are an opportunity to share experiences of the existing
mental health system and bring ideas about how the system could be improved.
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The use of NPS (Legal Highs) by young people in
Newcastle: be part of the whole city response
Rachael Hope, Community Safety Specialist – Drugs, in Public Health at Newcastle
City Council spoke about the use of NPS (Legal Highs) by young people in
Newcastle, and a recent report from Northumbria University.
Key messages
NPS: Novel Psychoactive Substances are not tested for human consumption
NPS contain unknown compounds; in overdose situations, A&E do not know what
chemical cocktail they are dealing with
The EU lists 412 types of NPS plus 12 new ones each month
The packets are designed to appeal – some look like sweets, deodorant or condoms
It’s important that workers use harm reduction approaches
Newcastle City council is using its licencing powers to try to control NPs and close
down shops selling them. There is a call for intelligence about NPS being sold.
A Bill is in parliament to tackle the normalisation that sees NPS sold alongside crisps
in garages from April 2016
There are issues at A&E with young people presenting as overdoses.
The use of NPS is not problematic in the south of the country – primarily it is a north
east tissues, with use by younger and more vulnerable children.
Concern that younger and more vulnerable children are using in Newcastle, often
with a naïve approach. If children are vulnerable the recovery is harder.
There is a need for consistent training
Important to recognise that not all children and young people are using NPS, but
some are and parents need to be able to better recognise what it is
Rachael was asked if NPS are addictive? The jury is out but they are certainly ‘moreish’. There is a bigger effect on the brain than cannabis; hard end drug users have
gone back to heroin as NPS effects too severe
NPS is a change in the pathway of drug use: previously young people tried alcohol,
then some tried cannabis, then some harder drugs.
Now children access NPS first – they can be cheaper than alcohol (offers such as
buy 3 for £20) and it is ‘legal’.
NPS is very profitable for sellers
One participant spoke about client who was already using crack, then when they
used NHP on top, it sent them into an overdose.
Rachael said that NPS appeals to a very wide range of groups – e.g. naïve children,
experimenters, clubbers, those on treatment orders, prisons, students, those on
mental health wards
The long term effects on people who experiment are not known
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A Whole City Response to the Use of Novel Psychoactive Substances (NPS) by
Young People in Newcastle-upon-Tyne
(PCC funded and carried out by Northumbria University)
Draft recommendations are:
The central co-ordination and dissemination of NPS-related intelligence and good
practice responses led by the local authority (specifically, public health).
Greater awareness-raising among voluntary services, in particular, about how
statutory services can and are responding to NPS and how voluntary organisations
can feed in intelligence to support their work.
The co-production of a city-wide strategic response to NPS, which involves both
stakeholders and young people.
The development of a strategic response which:
focus on issues of safeguarding, rather than the criminalisation of young people.;
recognises the importance of regulatory, clinical and psychosocial responses to the
use of NPS by young people.
further explores and builds on the emerging evidence base around drug-related
deaths, for example.
The regular training of practitioners on NPS. A range of organisations are currently
developing and offering training courses of NPS, but not all practitioners in the city
have accessed these. Multiple training courses by services in the city is not
necessarily an efficient use of resources.
There should be greater focus on education on NPS for young people and their
families. While information on NPS is available – particularly online – many
vulnerable young people in the city (and their families) are not thought to be
accessing this. Not all of the resources available reflect the messages or present
these in a way to young people that stakeholders consider appropriate.
Task and finish group on NPS
At the October Wellbeing for Life Board there was a discussion about the use of
NPS, especially by young people, and the safeguarding implications.
The Board agreed to formalise the existing task and finish group and to develop local
priorities and actions.
Sally Young, Newcastle CVS Chief Executive will be asked for VCS reps.
Actions and priorities might include training communication with parents and young
people.
Resources
Talk to Frank
http://www.talktofrank.com/
Hi we can help
resource for students http://www.hiwecanhelp.com/
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Mouse party
interactive cartoon learning video of effects of different drugs on
the brain http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/mouse/
Overdose symptoms
Symptoms of an overdose are serious, similar to opiates
http://harmreduction.org/issues/overdose-prevention/overview/overdosebasics/recognizing-opioid-overdose/
Drug awareness sessions
which include NPS are taking place November to
February and bite size briefings in 2016/17
Public Health has commissioned a service for adults with a central point of access
Action
VCS reps for the task and finish group will be called for once Sally has details such
as remit and frequency of meetings
Newcastle CVS will set up an NPS virtual voluntary sector reference group to support
the reps and priority setting
Pam will re-circulate the Drug Awareness raising session information
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Building a picture 2
Pam Jobbins from Newcastle CVS spoke about the second report of voluntary sector
work with children and young people. The work was started when it was apparent
that public agencies are not aware of the scale and breadth of services and activities
for children and young people offered by voluntary organisations in Newcastle upon
Tyne, nor the financial contribution brought into Newcastle. The headlines are
More than £4.7 million was spent in one year by 22 voluntary organisations on
services and activities for children and young people in Newcastle
803 hours of face to face services and activities offered weekly by 23 organisations
12 organisations offer ongoing long term local support, being there like family
Of the children and young people, 13% are referred by the statutory sector, 41% find
the service or activity through word of mouth, websites, family, friends and social
media
Most access was through the use of websites, social media, word of mouth and
family and friends, and was increasingly seen as single route.
The main issues reported are low self-esteem, health and complex health issues,
family issues, substance misuse, violence, mental ill health, social isolation, disability
and parenting skills.
Action
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The report will be publicised on Newcastle CVS website, visit
http://www.cvsnewcastle.org.uk/latest-news
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All about young carers
Sue Curry, Barnardo’s and Elizabeth Fletcher, Young Carers Project, Barnardo’s will
speak about the work with young carers in March, and so came to ask the CHYP IN
forum about what they already know. Many children do not recognise that they are
carers,
“It’s just what we do in our house”.
Organisations were asked if they routinely ask if children and young people have
caring responsibilities and discussed their own organisation’s practice in pairs.
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News and views / round up
Transition MADE is now on 27 November
A Children’s Trust event about
transition: 9.30 am to 12.30 pm at Excelsior School. For booking visit
https://made27nov.eventbrite.co.uk
Safeguarding
Coming soon – NSCB neglect training courses
http://www.nscb.org.uk/training-courses
Ann Frank Trust Following work to challenge prejudice and hatred in the north
east over the last 5 years, the Trust is developing a new community based project in
the west end of Newcastle. Contact Grace Dunne on [email protected]
The Prince’s Trust
Gemma Dyer is joining the Progression Forum as one of
two voluntary sector reps. To raise issues, contact Gemma on
[email protected]
CORC
Do you collect outcome measures? CORC (Child Outcomes Research
Consortium) will be offering free membership and resources such as IT support to 4
or 5 smaller voluntary organisations, in order to explore with them the existing
barriers to involvement. Contact Sally Marriott on [email protected]
GemArts
launched a new anti-hate crime animation and poster campaign called
‘We Stand Together’. For further information, and to view the animation and posters
created please visit GemArts website
http://gemarts.org/projects/121/we-stand-together
JAM Healthy relationships event @ Space 2 on 29 October, 3.00 pm to 7.00 pm.
For info contact [email protected]
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NAPI
Karen Williams said that the parent and toddler groups remain open to
everyone regardless of where they live (while the new Community Family Hubs
which include Sure Start are now postcode based). For the city wide list visit
http://www.napi.org.uk/about-us
Family Services Review
The City Council is setting up Community Family
Hub advisory boards in the East, West and Central areas. Karen Williams from NAPI
is on the Central Board; Sian Bufton from Barnardo’s and Suzanne Wellington from
St Martin’s are on the East Board; Anne Bonner from Riverside Community Health
Project, Sarah Miller from the Millen Centre and Ellen Watts from Action for
Children are on the West Board.
Newcastle Children and Young People’s Plan 2015 to 2020
Newcastle
Children and Young People’s Plan, useful to use for funding bids, is now available on
Newcastle City Council website; visit http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/schools-andlearning/young-people/newcastle-children-and-young-peoples-plan-2015-2020
Evaluation responses
What is the key thing you will take away with you from today?
The fact that key figures were open about costs, funding, etc. when talking about
Expanding Minds, Improving Lives.
Also the fact that the sector spoke up for itself by highlighting the need for additional
training around NPS
NPS Legal Highs
Young carers project (Barnardo’s)
NCC are doing a load of work for YP and children than I thought
Info about NPS
Awareness is a key factor. For example, the awareness of the effects of the legal
highs on young people. How we can communicate with young people – social media
Good networking
Really liked building a picture – useful info
Look out for Mental Health Transformation plan
Ensure staff have attended recent training c/o NPS
Prepare Briefing for other colleagues on topics covered
Good update re EMIL, NPS, Building a Future
NPS info
Expanding Minds agenda and priorities
NPS information
Will look up NPS info ‘How we can help’ ‘Mouse Party’
Knowledge of issues outside my key area of work – helped to build a broader picture
of issues facing children and young people and the sector
Really interesting presentations
Great networking
Children’s outcomes
Very informative session
Very interesting briefing on “legal high” use
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Informed and relevant
What worked about the meeting?
Everything
Different speakers
Informality
Time for coffee and networking
Q/A arrangement
Range of info given
3rd presentation, liked there was no PowerPoint – therefore concentrated on the
speakers, not the presentation
Mix of topics
Networking and updating on commissioning plans
Great networking opportunity and to find out what’s going on in CVS
Interesting content
Good contributions
Useful information on relevant topics
Good networking opportunity
Clear structure
Good topics, good mix of organisations
Sharing In
Good presentation opportunities to speak to other part practitioners
What would you have changed about today?
The seating arrangements
Speak louder/or have some kind of mic
Nothing x 4
Small presentation screen
Was a bit difficult to hear at times sitting from the back
Make more interactive, i.e. first presentation was more talking at us
All good
Seating arrangements
More time for networking/group discussion. Active encouragement to do this as
people just stayed on tables and didn’t circulate
Any other comments?
Could engage more using team task, discussions amongst selves
Good level of content, well spaced out meetings
Interesting mix of providers and speakers
No – very useful thank you!
Another informative meeting, thank you!!
Good central location
No
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