Minutes of MHPP Strategy Event: Wednesday 16th March 2016
Venue: Contour Homes, Didsbury
1. Attendance and Apologies
Attendance:
AB
AMA
AR
AS
CDS
CP
GC
HS
JA
JB
JC
JG
JS
JW
KH
KK
KM
MB
Andrew Brown
Abdul Malik-Ahad
Angela Raftery
Andrei Szatkowski
Cym D’Souza
Chris Page
Guy Cresswell
Helen Sharples
Jacque Allen
Joanne Buckley
John Cockerham
James Greenhedge
Jordane Smith
Judith Winterbourne
Kimberley Harrison
Kulbinder Kang
Karen Mitchell (Chair)
Mark Beach
MK
MR
NG
PB
PN
RB
ROC
RC
RF
Mushtaq Khan
Michael Redford
Nigel Graham
Paul Beardmore
Patrick Nolan
Rob Brown
Rachel O’Connor
Robert Collier
Rob Ferguson (Vice
Chair)
Richard Houghton
Robin Lawler
Yvonne McDermott
RH
RL
YMD
Director of Neighbourhood Services
Head of GM South & Tung Sing
Executive Director Neighbourhoods
Exec Dir of Customer Services
Chief Executive
Operations Director
Director of Housing Services
Head of Communities and Support
Exec Director of Neighbourhoods
Housing Manager
Operations Director
Housing Access Manager
Partnership Officer
Managing Director
Neighbourhoods Team Leader
Chief Executive
Chief Executive
Performance and Cust. Services
Manager
Director
Managing Director, Neighbourhoods
Head of New Business (North)
Director of Housing
Technical Services Director
Stakeholder Engagement Officer
Development Manager
Group Head of Assets
Chief Executive
Contour Homes
Your Housing Group
Irwell Valley HA
Equity
Arawak Walton
Arawak Walton
Great Places HA
Southway Housing
WCHG
Your Housing
Guinness Partnership
Manchester City Council
MHPP
Contour Homes
Equity
People First HA
Southway Housing
One Manchester
Director of Operations
Chief Executive
Head of Development
Adactus Housing
Northwards Housing
St Vincent’s HA
Director of Investment
Chief Executive
Chief Executive
Guinness Partnership
St Vincent’s HA
One Manchester
AKSA Homes
Irwell Valley HA
Guinness Partnership
Manchester City Council
Mosscare
Manchester City Council
St Vincent’s HA
One Manchester
Mosscare Housing
Apologies:
AR
CN
DP
Allan Ramsey
Charlie Norman
Dave Power
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HC
MG
NW
SP
SS
2.
Hannah Clark
Mark Greaves
Nigel Wilson
Sarah Paton
Steve Sheen
Regional Manager
Housing Services Manager
Chief Executive
Head of Housing
Housing Strategy & Partnerships
Manager
Great Places HA
Places for People
WCHG
Affinity Sutton
Manchester City Council
Opening Remarks
Rob Ferguson, Vice Chair of MHPP, welcomed attendees to the event.
Karen Mitchell (MHPP Chair) and Paul Beardmore had been called to full council last
minute so Karen was unable to be there in person as planned but both would be
attending from 11am.
RF discussed the past year for MHPP covering the new governance arrangements and
also changes in government policy which have impacted on the sector.
RF outlined the structure of the day, detailing that there would be 5 speakers that
would be covering key strategic issues in Manchester for the coming year. Following
this there would be group sessions in the afternoon to look at the proposed
Manchester Housing Strategy and the MHPP Business Plan.
3.
Presentation: Integrated Place Approach in Manchester
3.1 Jon Nickson, Reform and Innovation Manager at Manchester City Council spoke to a
presentation which can be found, for reference, on the MHPP Website.
3.2 A summary of the discussion following the presentation is as follows;
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JN – Intent to engage with all RP’s, not just those in the pilot areas
RF – What is your ask of RP’s?
 JN – Public services need to move out of their comfort zone, there is no model
yet so can’t be specific of what the ask of RP’s is at present
RF – Important to ensure that the RP’s in pilot areas are feeding into the pilot and
back through MHPP forums.
JC – What budgets will be involved if we’re talking about ‘moving our of our
comfort zone’
 JN – Will be co-produced with partners, devolving responsibility. The ‘Our
Manchester’ work will be what drives it.
CDS – How will this approach work for ‘real people on the ground’, areas where
there is low turnover, settled communities. Surely there is a small cohort of people
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who create the need for this approach? How can we get more people involved on
the ground?
 JN - Will address this through community reporting, groups reporting from
within communities through a ‘bottom up approach’
JA – WCHG are looking at a similar pilot, strengthening what’s in place in
communities rather than doing the work for them. Highlighted importance of
partnership working, it will take a leap for faith from all services involved.
GC – What is the length of the trial period and will the LAC model still exist during
this timeframe?
 JN – will need to clarify that and come back to you
Action: JN to feedback on status of LAC model during trial
3.3 Rob Ferguson thanked Jon for his presentation.
4.
Presentation: Housing Vulnerable People
4.1 Hazel Summers, Strategic Director of Adult Social Services at Manchester City Council
presented on key issues for adult social services at present and in the near future.
(Hazel did not speak to any slides)
A summary of Hazel’s presentation is as follows;
GM Devolution
10 local authorities and 12 CCG’s will (from the 1at April 2016) begin to be responsible
for the budget across Health and Social Care (at present there is a £6 Billion deficit
across GM). There has to be a GM Strategy for this, each local authority is working on a
locality plan but this has yet to be finalised across GM.
There are 12 integrated neighbourhood teams for Health and Social Care. Primary care
need to be involved in all services to keep people out of hospital where possible.
GM Mental Health Strategy
Importance of accessing mental health services for our residents. Manchester Health
and Social Care Trust is no longer operational. Process is underway to move to a new
provider. Need to concentrate on early intervention – particularly in children and young
people, “if a child has a psychotic episode aged 12 and it is dealt with in a timely
manner there is a 80-90% chance that the child will have good mental health for the
rest of their life”
GM Contact
Patients will be able to access beds locally with a will to work in a different way across
providers. There are currently 85 pilots in place across GM which haven’t been moved
forward or scaled up, this needs to be more cohesive.
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Homelessness
There are more rough sleepers in Manchester City Centre now than ever. Some have
travelled specifically to the city because of its reputation, some have no recourse to
public funds and unfortunately there is evidence to show that the city is attracting a lot
of beggars that aren’t actually street homeless and are exploiting the good nature of
Mancunians.
Some charities are enabling people to stay on the streets even with good intentions.
The culture needs to be shifted. Big Change Manchester is a push for ‘change not coins’.
Ask for RP’s to be distributing information as much as possible within and around their
organisations.
Action: JS to circulate Big Change information to partners.
Impact on housing – we need more warm, communal, safe houses as a place for people
to stay and for support services to come to them.
Housing providers need to be engaged in the locality
Difficulty with moving on people with poor mental health due to lack of support and
isolation experienced. Would prefer to share or end up back on the street where they
feel they have a community. Dealing with some very entrenched rough sleepers.
Obvious problems that came with being at crisis point with the closure of the night
shelters this year. RP’s really rallied around and made fantastic progress when it was
needed, can we keep working in this way to avoid the same crisis next year.
Homelessness Charter
Has been to Health and Wellbeing Board, developed in conjunction with The Mustard
Tree and ex service users. Will be implemented over the summer with a call to all
providers to get involved.
4.2 A summary of the discussion following the presentation is as follows;
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RL - Housing aspiration over housing need – how do we challenge this?
 HS – Can we get the IHHSC group to have a look at the big picture in the city
and report back?
 GC – There is a clear picture emerging from the group that there needs to be
more scope to work more smartly. The architecture of groups across the city
needs clarifying both in terms of an accommodation offer and support models.
YMD – There is so much happening and we are getting caught up in the issues
surrounding the LHA supported housing cap. We are becoming stuck at the
accommodation part and it’s a vicious cycle. What is the answer? Shared
accommodation? Can we harness the voluntary sector? VCS in particular supported
the night shelters.
RF – Is there a model for peer support?
 HS – Yes for mental health but not for homelessness
 RL – good example in services for older people through age friendly mcr
learning from that?
 HS – Homelessness Charter is being led by service users not council
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PN – Are private sector services being involved in discussions?
 HS - People generally tend to hold out for social housing, we need good quality
private landlord involvement.
AB – Homelessness was a major problem in Manchester in the 80s and then it got
better. Why is it a problem again now?
 HS – a number of reasons:
 EU migration has led to an increasing number of people in the city with
no recourse to public funds
 Beggars in the city are clouding the real numbers
 The city centre has become a magnet for rough sleepers due to media
coverage and the fact that there is safety in numbers
 The Salvation Army closed which had est. 80 bed spaces.
GC – Will Housing Related Support (HRS) be around in 18 months time in its current
definition?
 HS – unsure of the answer at the moment, there is a conference in April
where strategic plans will be worked out. The Strategic Housing Board will
be updated re: preferred provider.
4.3 Rob Ferguson thanks Hazel for her presentation and informed the room of a
refreshment break for 15 minutes.
5.
Presentation: GM Public Service Reform – Strategy and
Priorities
5.1 Jane Forrest, Strategic Lead for Place Based Integration for the GM Public Service
Reform Team spoke to a presentation which can be found, for reference, on the MHPP
website
5.2 Due to slightly running over time there was limited space for questions following Jane’s
presentation. A summary of the brief discussion is as follows;
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GC – Early prevention services are the ones that have faced the most cuts across
GM. These are decisions from individual local authorities which are affecting GM as
a whole.
 JF – There is a single framework of reform across GM and an importance of
alignment between GM Public Service Reform and Health and Social Care
Reform.
5.3 Rob Ferguson thanked Jane for her presentation. Jane advised that she could be
contacted with any further questions.
6.
Presentation: Affording a House in Manchester
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6.1 Paul Beardmore, Director of Housing at Manchester City Council and Executive Director
of Manchester Place, spoke to a presentation regarding Affordable Housing in
Manchester. It can be found, for reference, on the MHPP website.
6.2 Due to time constraints, discussion regarding Paul’s presentation was held until the end
of the day. Key points are summarised below;
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JC – As mentioned in the presentation, social housing stands at 27% of total stock in
Manchester. Is there a desire from the council to drive that down?
 PB – Absolutely not. We would like to support RP’s to maintain the quantum
of existing stock. The market is dynamic, there are more people in work
which equals more people buying properties. There is a continued drive
from government to attack social housing and we all need to adapt to that.
6.3 Paul Beardmore also fed back to the group regarding his presentation at full council in
the morning:
 Rent to Purchase – There is interest in developing a proper, good quality and
well maintained model. Many Right to Buy properties are ending up in the
private rental sector .
 Presentation was well received and helped by the presence of Karen Mitchell
and Charlie Norman. Good focus on vulnerable people.
 Will go on to develop affordable homes strategy which has also gone to the
Affordable Homes Task & Finish group under MHPP.
 KM stated that she thought it was positive and showed understanding. It was
good to raise awareness.
6.4 Paul was thanked for his contribution to the event.
7.
Presentation: Manchester Locality Plan Update
7.1 Steve Mycio, Chairman and Emma Gilbey, Programme Manager of the Central
Manchester University Hospital NHS Foundation Trust spoke to a presentation
regarding the new locality plan for Manchester. The presentation can be found on the
MHPP website for reference.
7.2 A summary of the discussion following the presentation is as follows;
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RL – working at a GM level on 3 principles:
 Affordable Warmth
 Housing opportunities for older people
 Helping out of hospital and reducing re-admissions
Can we work more collaboratively in achieving these aims?
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CDS – RP’s have a direct relationship with our customers, how can we help to
change behaviours (i.e. unnecessary A&E presentations) and educate our
communities?
 SM – Health can learn a lot from the RP role in communities. SM has been
visiting RP’s in Manchester to introduce himself and hear about what is
happening in our communities. Health has a ‘sense of place’ now so what is
CMFT doing for Manchester ‘out of the gates’. There are 12 CCG’s, RP’s
need to be a part of these teams.
Estate in the NHS that needs to be liberated, what do we do with it? Can it
be used to achieve housing targets/community spaces?
PN – Estates: How do we make them fit for purpose?
 SM – Developing an Estates Strategy for GM, led by Eamonn Boylan
involving a memorandum of understanding between the Department of
Health and estate holders in GM – shared problems and opportunities. No
decision is made without consultation and looking at what funding
opportunities are out there (not necessarily just health).
7.3 Steve and Emma were thanked for their contribution to the event.
The room broke for lunch, during which the Spring Budget was live streamed for those
who wished to watch it.
8.
Afternoon Workshop – The Manchester Housing Strategy
2016 to 2021
8.1 Rob Ferguson gave a brief reasoning behind the revision of the existing Housing
Strategy. Having been developed but not implemented 5 years ago the Strategic
Housing Board took a recent decision to bring it into use following a slight revision.
The draft strategy consists of 10 principles surrounding the themes of Growth, People
and Place. The Integrating Health, Housing and Social Care MHPP workstream have
already fed back on principles 7 and 9 so the event attendees were asked to focus on
the remaining 8 principles.
Attendees were split into 4 groups of approximately 7 members. Each group addressed
2 principles and fed back on whether they thought that they were realistic, achievable
and in line with strategic priorities for housing targets across the city.
8.2 Feedback was collated and collected by Jordane Smith who will work with Rob Brown
and Pam Zuntz at MCC for inclusion in the final strategy.
Action: JS and RB to collate feedback
9.
MHPP Business Plan 2016/17
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JS
9.1 Over a short break attendees were asked to look over and consider the current one
page MHPP business plan. Although the initial intention was for attendees to break into
teams again for review, the MHPP team decided it best to collect feedback regarding
the plan as part of the wider group.
9.2 Rob Ferguson explained that there would be a further project group assigned to look
over the current business plan and opened the floor to any comments or feedback from
attendees for inclusion in future meetings, there were no comments received. RF
invited emails to JS or KM for any partners who wished to comment at a later date.
Action: JS to set up project group meeting to review business plan
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Summary
Rob Ferguson summarised the event by explaining that actions from the presentations
given in the morning would be brought back to the partnership group for consideration.
The MHPP business plan will be reviewed by a project group to ensure that it is linked
to key strategies.
The Affordable Housing Strategy will come through the Strategic Housing Board and
MHPP and will be circulated to partners upon completion.
All presentations from the morning will be available to view on the MHPP website.
Action: JS to circulate when uploaded.
Thanks were given to Contour Homes for the use of their facilities and in particular AnnMarie Walker (Contour Governance Officer and Executive PA) for her assistance in
preparations.
Thanks were also given to attendees and speakers for taking the time to join us and to
Karen Mitchell, Jordane Smith and Rob Brown for their organisation of the event.
Further thanks were given to Rob Ferguson for chairing the event.
Date of Next MHPP Forum Meeting:
Date: Wednesday 15th June 2016.
Venue: Adactus Housing Association, Baker House, 542 Oldham Road, Miles Platting,
Manchester M40 8BS
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JS