MEASUREMENT & INSPECTION
OCTOBER 2013
CONFIRMED MINUTES
CONFIRMED MINUTES
OCTOBER 21-24, 2013
PITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA, USA
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a
subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation
from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, OCTOBER 21 to THURSDAY, OCTOBER 24, 2013
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS
1.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Measurement & Inspection (M&I) Task Group was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 21-Oct-2013.
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion
of the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
*
Randall
Al
Lance
Chris
Gregory
Simon
Norman
Jacques
Cyril
Mark
Steve
Darren
COMPANY NAME
Becker
Berger
Christie
Davison
Goldhagen
Gough-Rundle
Gross
Kerault
Lerebours
Rechtsteiner
Row
Yochum
The Boeing Company
GE Aviation
Sikorsky Aircraft
Spirit AeroSystems
Hamilton Sundstrand - UTAS
Rolls-Royce
The Boeing Company
Airbus
SAFRAN Group
GE Aviation
Goodrich (UTAS)
Rolls-Royce
Chairperson
Vice Chairperson
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
*
*
*
Takahito
Phil
Doyle
Gordon
Ralph
Lisa
David
Ben
Brad
Mike
Tom
Hubert
Lisa
Dave
Angelo
Lee
Carol
COMPANY NAME
Araki
Ault
Butler
Cameron
Capra
Donahue
Eshleman
Flores
Gould
Guthmiller
Haynes
Kern
Leonard
Michaud
Monzo
Parsley
Schmidt
IHI Corporation
Alcoa Power & Propulsion
Albany Engineered Composites
Integrated Technologies / LMI Aerospace
Ducommun AeroStructures
Alcoa Power & Propulsion
The Young Engineers, Inc.
Applied Aerospace Structures Corp.
Hunting Dearborn
Applied Aerospace Structures Corp.
Tech Met
FACC AG
National Physical Lab
Fountain Plating Co.
Barnes Aerospace Fabrication Lansing Division
Click Bond
ATI Ladesh Forging
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*
Tammi
Kimberly
Naoki
Howard
Richard
Jim
Wilfried
Schubert
Sepsey
Sogabe
Spader
Strandgard
Tuminello
Weber
LMI Finishing, Inc.
LORD Corporation
Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, LTD.
Instron Corp.
Avcorp Industries
Tech Met Inc.
PFW Aerospace GmbH
PRI Staff Present
Mark
James
Melanie
Joe
1.2
Aubele
Bennett
Petrucci
Pinto
Code of Ethics/Antitrust and Meeting Conduct – OPEN
The Code of Ethics/Antitrust video was shown to meeting attendees.
1.3
Agenda Review – OPEN
The agenda for the October 2013 Nadcap M&I Task Group (TG) meeting agenda was reviewed.
1.4
Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes– OPEN
Motion made by Lance Christie and seconded by Norman Gross to approve the June 2013
minutes as written. Motion Passed.
The minutes from June 2013 were approved as written.
2.0
TASK GROUP VOTING MEMBERS – OPEN
Norman Gross and Randall Becker from The Boeing Company and Chris Davison from Spirit
Aerosystems were put forth as Subscriber Voting Members.
Tammi Schubert from LMI Finishing was put forth as a Supplier Voting Member.
Motion made by Lance Christie and seconded by Steve Row to approve all voting members put
forth to the TG. Motion Passed
Norman Gross will be the Subscriber Voting Member; Mark Clark, the current Subscriber Voting
Member for The Boeing Company, will be moved to Alternate Subscriber Voting Member along
with Randall Becker.
Norman Gross from The Boeing Company was put forth as the Vice Chairperson for M&I.
Motion made by Lance Christie and seconded by Steve Row to approve Norman Gross as the
Vice Chairperson. Motion Passed.
Tammi Schubert brought Gordon Cameron forward as an Alternate Supplier Voting Member for
LMI.
Motion made by Tammi Schubert and seconded by Steve Row to approve Gordon Cameron as
an Alternate Supplier Voting Member. Motion Passed.
3.0
M&I INTRODUCTION FOR NEW ATTENDEES – OPEN
Overview presentation on M&I and the TG was shown to the meeting attendees.
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Opening Comments
from Chair
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to modify the introduction presentation in regard to checklist
development; need to clarify the “Create” and “Ballot” sections on the development timeline to
specify it is for the AC7130 and AC7130/1. (Due Date: 24-Feb-2014)
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to identify Supplier(s) to participate in test audits to train new auditors.
(Due Date: 31-Dec-2013)
4.0
STAFF REPORT – OPEN
The PRI Staff report out was given.
4.0 Staff Report
The Rolling Action Item List (RAIL) was reviewed.
For specific details, please see the current M&I Rolling Action Item List posted at
www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to put together and give summary report of major discussions from the
previous TG meeting to be presented at the following meeting during the Opening Comments; to
be added as a standard item to the meeting agenda. (Due Date: 15-Nov-2013)
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to send summary report of major discussions from the TG meeting to
meeting attendees to take back to their companies. (Due Date: 15-Nov-2013)
5.0
TASK GROUP OPERATING PROCEDURE – OPEN
No discussion required.
6.0
M&I MILESTONES & PLAN – OPEN
M&I development tracker was presented.
MI Task-Group
Tracker 20-Oct-13.xls
ACTION ITEM: Simon Gough-Rundle to review the M&I development tracker to track what the TG
decides is the next slash sheet to be developed. (Due Date: 24-Oct-2013)
7.0
SUPPLIER MERIT AND AUDIT FAILURE – OPEN
A presentation was given and there was a discussion and explanation of NOP-008 Supplier Merit
and NOP-011 Audit Failure.
7.0 Supplier Merit
and Audit Failure
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8.0
TEST AUDITS – OPEN
An overview of the test audits that were conducted in the UK during the checklist ballots was
given. Discussion ensued of some of the problems that were encountered with the checklists.
8.0 Test Audits
There was major discussion regarding the possible length of the M&I audit. It was suggested that
one day is needed for the AC7130 and two days are needed for the AC7130/1, making a three
day audit to cover both checklists. There was discussion as to whether or not three days is really
necessary to conduct a thorough audit. Would initial versus reaccreditation audits have different
lengths? Would the number of machines (CMMs) within a facility factor in to the audit length?
SAFRAN gave a presentation regarding the results of their test audits, providing
recommendations and confirmation of requirements and flow.
9.0
AC7130 & AC7130/1 BALLOT COMMENTS – OPEN
Comments made on the AC7130 and AC7130/1 letter ballots were discussed / resolved. See
revised checklists for specific changes resulting from resolution of comments.
AC7130 Revised
Checklist
AC7130/1 Revised
Checklist
Motion made by Norman Gross and seconded by Lance Christie to approve the AC7130 checklist
based on the changes made in response to ballot comments. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Norman Gross and seconded by Chris Davison to approve addition of a question
on deburring and cleanliness to the AC7130 baseline checklist. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Steve Row and seconded by Norman Gross to approve the AC7130/1 checklist
based on the changes made in response to ballot comments. Motion Passed.
Motion made by Norman Gross and seconded by Steve Row to approve the re-balloting of the
changes made to both checklists on a 14-day affirmation ballot. Motion Passed.
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to standardize wording of checklists (component vs. part, process vs.
documented procedure). (Due Date: 01-Nov-2013)
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to re-ballot AC7130 and AC7130/1 on 14-day affirmation ballot to TG. (Due
Date: 01-Nov-2013)
10.0
SUBSCRIBER COMMITMENTS TO MANDATE – CLOSED
There was discussion regarding who plans to mandate and what the plans are to roll out the
mandates. Subscribers felt their company is more likely to mandate if other Subscribers mandate
and if the audit duration is two days as opposed to three days. Noting this would be determined
accordingly based on the test audits performed.
Rolls-Royce proposes to roll out the mandate in stages. Rolls-Royce gave a presentation on their
implementation plan and the importance of Nadcap in eliminating some major issues within the
supply chain.
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ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to set up a “Closed” WebEx for Subscriber members to discuss
mandates: who, when, how. (Due Date: 15-Nov-2013)
11.0
SUPPLIER SYMPOSIUMS AND DEVELOPMENT – CLOSED
No discussion on this topic.
12.0
AUDITOR RECRUITMENT PROCESS – CLOSED
No discussion on this topic.
13.0
TEST AUDITS – CLOSED
No discussion on this topic.
14.0
OTHER CLOSED BUSINESS – CLOSED
No items brought forward for discussion.
15.0
REVIEW OF CLOSED MEETING – OPEN
The general topics of the closed meeting were reviewed, which was focused around Subscriber
Commitments to Mandate.
There was a discussion on redundant audits and what constitutes a redundant audit.
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to provide information to Subscribers regarding redundant audits. (Due
Date: 30-Nov-2013)
16.0
SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE REPORT OUT – OPEN
Dave Michaud presented the Supplier Support Committee (SSC) Report Out to the TG on behalf
of Brad Gould.
M&I SSC TG Report
Oct2013.pdf
Dave Michaud also provided an overview on the Nadcap Management Council (NMC) activity
regarding NOP-012 Auditor Consistency. While it currently does not apply to M&I, it will be part of
the M&I program once audits are being conducted and metrics are available. The new procedure
is to be “piloted” from October 2013 through October 2014 to see how it works within the TGs and
to receive feedback to adjust the procedure as necessary.
17.0
NPL PRESENTATION – OPEN
Lisa Leonard gave a presentation on the National Physical Laboratory (NPL). The presentation
focused on the ‘Health Check’ capability improvement process being implemented for the UK
Industry. This is sponsored by companies such as Rolls-Royce to look at ways of improving the
skills gap, knowledge of industry standards & manufacturing techniques, and measurement
technology.
18.0
AESQ PRESENTATION – OPEN
Simon Gough-Rundle gave a presentation on the Aero Engine Supplier Quality (AESQ)
Committee (G-22). The AESQ has been established with the intent to minimize customer specific
elements through a focused set of standards that integrate industry best practice and aero engine
unique elements. This includes Measurement and Inspection technologies.
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Initial membership currently comprises of GE Aviation, Rolls-Royce, Pratt & Whitney, SAFRAN
(Snecma), Honeywell and PCC. The representation in the committees is made up of Quality
Executives / VP’s.
19.0
FLOW TESTING CHECKLIST (AC7130/X) – OPEN
There was discussion on the development of the Flow Testing slash sheet. The checklist
structure presentation was discussed and updated. It was agreed that a series of teleconference
calls would be set up so a checklist could be developed based on the structure. The intent being
that the developed checklist would be discussed at the February 2014 meeting.
19.0 Flow Testing
Checklist (AC7130/X)
ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to set up teleconference calls for the development of Flow Testing
Checklist. (Due Date: 30-Nov-2013)
20.0
CHECKLIST SLASH SHEETS – OPEN
Motion made by Norman Gross and seconded by Steve Row to accept Laser Trackers as the
next checklist slash sheet to be developed. Motion Passed.
21.0
RAIL REVIEW – OPEN
The new RAIL items from the meeting were reviewed and agreed upon.
22.0
DEVELOP AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY 2014 – OPEN
It was decided that the February 2014 meeting will be four days for M&I. Some topics to be
included are checklist review, Flow Testing checklist development, mandates, Laser Tracker
checklist outline, auditor recruitment and training, etc.
23.0
MEETING FACILITATION FEEDBACK – OPEN
Colors on the projector are hard to see/different from what is viewed on the computer monitor.
On occasions it was difficult to hear participants, due to side bar conversations and interpretation
of meanings.
Some participants were difficult to understand and need to speak slowly. Task Group Leadership
communicated effectively.
Meeting room was a good size.
ADJOURNMENT – 24-Oct-2013 – Meeting was adjourned at 3:40 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by: Melanie Petrucci: [email protected]
***** For PRI Staff use only: ******
Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select
one)
YES ☒ NO ☐
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Documents requiring revision:
AC7130 Rev 0
AC7130/1 Rev 0
Who is responsible:
Melanie Petrucci & James
Bennett
Melanie Petrucci & James
Bennett
Due date:
1-Nov-13
1-Nov-13