CMP ROAD SHOWS REPORT
Authors:
Dr Khesh Sidhu, Consultant for Child Measurement Programme
Date: 3 August
Version: 1.0
Publication/Distribution:

CMP steering group

CMP Board
Review Date: Valid until 31st August 2012
Purpose and Summary of Document:
To inform the steering group and board of the feedback from the CMP
Training Road Shows.
Child Measurement Programme for Wales
Key Standards 2011/12
Table of Contents
INTRODUCTION.............................................................. 3
RESULTS......................................................................... 3
COMMENTS ..................................................................... 5
SUMMARY ....................................................................... 7
APPENDIX A ................................................................... 8
APPENDIX B ................................................................... 9
ABBREVIATIONS .......................................................... 14
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Child Measurement Programme for Wales
Key Standards 2011/12
Introduction
The Child Measurement Programme (CMP) for Wales undertook a series of
road shows to train all staff involved in the measurement of children’s
heights and weights in Wales.
This paper reports to the CMP Steering Group and Board to provide
assurance regarding CMP training. The paper describes feedback from
attendees at the training that took place over the period June – July 2012.
The feedback from attendees was captured using a questionnaire which
contained closed and open answer questions (see Appendix A). The
questionnaire was concerned with measuring the usefulness of the training
programme, whether staff felt it met their needs and moreover to gain
intelligence on local issues that may be raised during the road shows. The
range and breadth of attendees would also give the CMP team a chance to
meet the most important people in the CMP – ie the staff who are actually
undertaking the measurement – and to learn from their insights into what
works and their experiential knowledge.
The scales used in the questionnaire were likert scales which indicate a
range of responses on a scale of 1-5. The higher the number on the scale,
the more favourable the response.
Results
The results are described in a series of graphs and tables below. Staff
from a wide variety of disciplines were invited. This included school
nursing staff, child health staff, dieticians, child medical officers and MEND
specialists. The main audience were the school nurses and child health
staff and these numbers of individuals were used as the original number of
expected staff expected to attend. The actual number of attendees
differed according to the location. This was expected because attendees
were given flexibility to attend other training days if diaries did not permit.
The overall attendance rate was higher than expected (101%) but this
varied depending on the locality. In addition, the feedback forms were
received for 77% of the attendees again varying on a locality by locality
basis. The details of the response rate are described in Table 1.
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Key Standards 2011/12
Table 1 CMP Road Show Attendance.
DATE
Mon 10 June
Tue 12 June
Wed 13 June
Thurs 14 June
Mon 18 June
Tues 19 June
Wed 20 June
Tue 26 June
Wed 27 June
Thurs 28 June
Mon 09 July
Tue 10 July
Wed 11 July
Thu 12 July
Roadshow Venue
CARDIFF
MERTHYR
PONTYPTYDD
BRIDGEND
BRECON
ABERYSTWYTH
MACHYNLLETH
RHYL
BANGOR
WREXHAM
CARMATHEN
HAVERFORDWEST
SWANSEA
CWMBRAN
Health Board
Cardiff & Vale UHB
Cwm Taf HB
Cwm Taf HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Powys HB
Various LHBs
Powys HB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Hywel Dda HB
Hywel Dda HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Aneurin Bevan HB
TOTALS
Original numbers
estimated
32
22
27
17
22
10
20
30
32
49
20
19
32
50
350
Actual
31
16
31
11
9
12
10
32
32
50
25
17
37
42
355
% Attendance
97%
73%
115%
65%
41%
120%
50%
107%
100%
102%
125%
89%
116%
84%
101%
Questionnaires
Returned
25
13
30
6
7
5
7
27
32
20
22
14
29
36
273
Questionnaires
Response Rate
81%
81%
97%
55%
78%
42%
70%
84%
100%
40%
88%
82%
78%
86%
77%
The full results of the responses are described in Appendix B. However the
overall responses are described in Table 3.
In general, the responses have been favourable with high levels of
satisfaction in terms of how;




useful the roadshow was
knowledge of the CMP was increased
useful the training was
Well the session was organised
Scores are hard to give because a likert scale was used for the above
questions. The organisation of the events was particularly highly scored.
Most



importantly the attendees felt
More confident to undertaking measurements (96%)
Would recommend this to colleagues to attend (98%)
Equality & diversity had been addressed (98%)
The reader should note that 41% identified further training needs and the
majority of these arose from 4 of the 14 events. Only five individuals
commented on what further training is required and in particular indicated
the following training:
 other staff groups (esp. Health Visitors and Managers)
 the use of the various BMI Centile charts
 to better support primary prevention of obesity.
Further details of the identification of further training needs is given in
Appendix B.
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Key Standards 2011/12
Table 3 Summary Table of feedback from CMP Road Show
Attendees
How useful has this session been for the
work you do
1
2
3
4
5
1%
1%
10%
30%
58%
Not at all
Very
1
2
3
4
5
0%
1%
7%
32%
60%
What was the training like?
Not at all
1
2
3
4
1%
2%
13%
36%
38%
How was the session organised?
Poor
1
3
4
Excellent
5
12%
37%
Has the session helped you to understand your
role in Child Measurement?
0%
2
1%
Very
5
Poor
4%
Too elementary
Was the subject treatment on the whole
49%
Excellent
96%
Just right
0%
Too advanced
(Please circle)
Do you feel more confident in measuring Children
If NO why not:
YES 96% /
NO 4%
Have you identified any need for further training?
If YES, please state need:
YES 41% /
NO 59%
Would you recommend this session to your colleagues
If NO, why not:
Do you think equality and diversity issues have been
addressed within this training?
YES 98% /
NO 2%
YES 98% / NO 2%
Any other comments or ways we can improve this?
Comments
Two types of comments were captured –
Those written directly on the feedback forms
Notes taken during each session by CMP Admin
Feedback given was reviewed and where appropriate, acted upon.
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Key Standards 2011/12
The detail and responses to these are available in the spreadsheet,
however the following are of particular note

Changes in the use of the ‘Clothing‘ field on the new CMP form
intended for Year 4 in order that situations where the CMP
‘standard’ is not readily achievable. This was partly because of
time constraints relating to adjusting clothing for children (eg to
removing heavier clothing in winter time and removing head-dress
worn for cultural and religious reasons). The form will default to 1
(standard light clothing) but can be changed by the nurses to
reflect heavier, lighter or ethnic differences.

The addition of ‘Actual Appointment date’ of measurement box to
the data collection form. This is to mitigate against an issue that
arose when discussing the detailed
processes jointly with school nursing
and child health staff. BMI Centile
requires the ‘date measured’ to be
accurate so addition of this field is
important.

It was identified that despite many requests to Health Boards to
relating to equipment needs, some staff in one Health Board were
still using bathroom scales that do not meet the required standard
and require a further 12 scales. The CMP team intend to reiterate
to all the HB’s that it is a legal requirement to use class 3 or higher
scales for the CMP

The Non-Automatic Weighing Instruments (NAWI,) directive was
made part of UK law in January 1993 and aims to not only control
the technical and performance characteristics of weighing
instruments, but also to specify which tasks require approved
weighing equipment. In addition to the NAWI regulations, scales
that use both metric and imperial can still be used, but only the
metric units are strictly legal for medically approved measurement.

Majority of delegates enjoyed the trainers presentations and gave
very positive feedback. A few weeks after the road show, the CMP
received an e-mail from a manager after several members of her
staff expressed concerns regarding a particular matter relating to
the training. The CMP team are looking into this matter.
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Key Standards 2011/12
Summary
The training road shows were organised by Ros Causey & Washington
Magaya under enormous pressure of time and work. The responses of the
road shows indicate that attendees valued the road shows and more
importantly the road shows were able to spread information about
measuring heights and weights as well as knowledge about the CMP. It
should be noted that further training was requested in just under 50% of
attendees. It is recommended that local implementation groups in every
health board specifically ask the teams as to what this may be and
address this in their respective implementation plans.
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Key Standards 2011/12
Appendix A
Public Health Wales
Child Measurement Training
SESSION EVALUATION FORM
Date:
Occupation:
(Please tick)
1
2
3
4
5
Not at all
1
2
3
4
Very
5
What was the training like?
Not at all
1
2
3
4
Very
5
How was the session organised?
Poor
1
2
3
4
Excellent
5
How useful has this session been for the
work you do
Has the session helped you to understand your
role in Child Measurement?
Poor
Excellent
Was the subject treatment on the whole
Too elementary
Just right
Too advanced
(Please circle)
Do you feel more confident in measuring Children
If NO why not:
YES /
NO
Have you identified any need for further training?
If YES, please state need:
YES /
NO
Would you recommend this session to your colleagues
If NO, why not:
YES /
NO
YES/
NO
Do you think equality and diversity issues have been
addressed within this training?
Any other comments or ways we can improve this?
Thank you for taking the time to complete this- Please return to the session organiser.
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Key Standards 2011/12
Appendix B
1. Session Useful - Not 1-5 - Very
DATE
Mon 10 June
Tue 12 June
Wed 13 June
Thurs 14 June
Mon 18 June
Tues 19 June
Wed 20 June
Tue 26 June
Wed 27 June
Thurs 28 June
Mon 09 July
Tue 10 July
Wed 11 July
Thu 12 July
Health Board
Cardiff & Vale UHB
Cwm Taf HB
Cwm Taf HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Powys HB
Various LHBs
Powys HB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Hywel Dda HB
Hywel Dda HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Aneurin Bevan HB
Roadshow Venue
CARDIFF
MERTHYR
PONTYPTYDD
BRIDGEND
BRECON
ABERYSTWYTH
MACHYNLLETH
RHYL
BANGOR
WREXHAM
CARMATHEN
HAVERFORDWEST
SWANSEA
CWMBRAN
Total
%
1
2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
4
1%
2
2
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
3
1%
3
4
5
9
2
1
0
1
1
0
3
3
3
0
1
2
0
26
10%
5
4
2
0
0
0
0
18
10
5
6
7
9
14
80
30%
3
7
26
6
6
4
7
6
19
12
16
6
18
20
156
58%
TOTAL
21
13
30
6
7
5
7
27
32
20
22
14
29
36
269
2. Help Understand Role
DATE
Mon 10 June
Tue 12 June
Wed 13 June
Thurs 14 June
Mon 18 June
Tues 19 June
Wed 20 June
Tue 26 June
Wed 27 June
Thurs 28 June
Mon 09 July
Tue 10 July
Wed 11 July
Thu 12 July
Health Board
Cardiff & Vale UHB
Cwm Taf HB
Cwm Taf HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Powys HB
Various LHBs
Powys HB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Hywel Dda HB
Hywel Dda HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Aneurin Bevan HB
Date: 06/03/2012
Roadshow Venue
CARDIFF
MERTHYR
PONTYPTYDD
BRIDGEND
BRECON
ABERYSTWYTH
MACHYNLLETH
RHYL
BANGOR
WREXHAM
CARMATHEN
HAVERFORDWEST
SWANSEA
CWMBRAN
Total
%
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1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0%
2
3
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
4
1%
3
3
0
2
0
1
0
0
6
1
1
0
1
3
0
18
7%
4
5
11
4
4
0
1
1
2
13
13
7
6
6
6
12
86
32%
3
8
24
6
5
4
5
8
18
12
16
7
20
24
160
60%
TOTAL
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13
30
6
6
5
7
27
32
20
22
14
29
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3. Training Like ?- Poor 1-5 - Excellent
DATE
Mon 10 June
Tue 12 June
Wed 13 June
Thurs 14 June
Mon 18 June
Tues 19 June
Wed 20 June
Tue 26 June
Wed 27 June
Thurs 28 June
Mon 09 July
Tue 10 July
Wed 11 July
Thu 12 July
Health Board
Cardiff & Vale UHB
Cwm Taf HB
Cwm Taf HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Powys HB
Various LHBs
Powys HB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Hywel Dda HB
Hywel Dda HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Aneurin Bevan HB
Roadshow Venue
CARDIFF
MERTHYR
PONTYPTYDD
BRIDGEND
BRECON
ABERYSTWYTH
MACHYNLLETH
RHYL
BANGOR
WREXHAM
CARMATHEN
HAVERFORDWEST
SWANSEA
CWMBRAN
Total
%
1
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
3
1%
2
4
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
5
2%
3
4
5
11
3
0
0
1
0
0
9
3
2
1
1
1
4
36
13%
8
5
6
2
1
1
1
12
12
9
10
5
11
15
98
36%
0
4
24
4
5
4
6
6
17
9
11
8
16
15
129
48%
TOTAL
24
13
30
6
7
5
7
27
32
20
22
14
28
36
271
4. Session Organised?- Poor 1-5 - Excellent
DATE
Mon 10 June
Tue 12 June
Wed 13 June
Thurs 14 June
Mon 18 June
Tues 19 June
Wed 20 June
Tue 26 June
Wed 27 June
Thurs 28 June
Mon 09 July
Tue 10 July
Wed 11 July
Thu 12 July
Health Board
Cardiff & Vale UHB
Cwm Taf HB
Cwm Taf HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Powys HB
Various LHBs
Powys HB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Hywel Dda HB
Hywel Dda HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Aneurin Bevan HB
Date: 06/03/2012
Roadshow Venue
CARDIFF
MERTHYR
PONTYPTYDD
BRIDGEND
BRECON
ABERYSTWYTH
MACHYNLLETH
RHYL
BANGOR
WREXHAM
CARMATHEN
HAVERFORDWEST
SWANSEA
CWMBRAN
Total
%
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1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0%
2
1
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
3
1%
3
4
5
5
4
0
0
1
0
0
7
4
4
1
0
1
6
33
12%
11
4
6
2
2
2
0
13
8
10
8
6
6
21
99
37%
4
4
22
4
4
3
7
6
20
5
13
8
22
9
131
49%
TOTAL
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13
28
6
7
5
7
26
32
20
22
14
29
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5. Subject Treatment
DATE
Mon 10 June
Tue 12 June
Wed 13 June
Thurs 14 June
Mon 18 June
Tues 19 June
Wed 20 June
Tue 26 June
Wed 27 June
Thurs 28 June
Mon 09 July
Tue 10 July
Wed 11 July
Thu 12 July
Health Board
Cardiff & Vale UHB
Cwm Taf HB
Cwm Taf HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Powys HB
Various LHBs
Powys HB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Hywel Dda HB
Hywel Dda HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Aneurin Bevan HB
Roadshow Venue
CARDIFF
MERTHYR
PONTYPTYDD
BRIDGEND
BRECON
ABERYSTWYTH
MACHYNLLETH
RHYL
BANGOR
WREXHAM
CARMATHEN
HAVERFORDWEST
SWANSEA
CWMBRAN
Total
%
Too Elementary
Just Right
9
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
9
4%
Too Advanced
8
11
19
4
7
5
7
27
32
19
22
14
29
36
240
96%
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0%
6 More Confident in Measuring
DATE
Mon 10 June
Tue 12 June
Wed 13 June
Thurs 14 June
Mon 18 June
Tues 19 June
Wed 20 June
Tue 26 June
Wed 27 June
Thurs 28 June
Mon 09 July
Tue 10 July
Wed 11 July
Thu 12 July
Health Board
Cardiff & Vale UHB
Cwm Taf HB
Cwm Taf HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Powys HB
Various LHBs
Powys HB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Hywel Dda HB
Hywel Dda HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Aneurin Bevan HB
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Roadshow Venue
CARDIFF
MERTHYR
PONTYPTYDD
BRIDGEND
BRECON
ABERYSTWYTH
MACHYNLLETH
RHYL
BANGOR
WREXHAM
CARMATHEN
HAVERFORDWEST
SWANSEA
CWMBRAN
Total
%
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Yes
No
17
11
28
6
7
5
7
26
32
18
22
14
28
36
257
96%
Total
3
2
2
0
0
0
0
1
0
1
0
0
1
0
10
4%
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13
30
6
7
5
7
27
32
19
22
14
29
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7 Further Training ?
DATE
Mon 10 June
Tue 12 June
Wed 13 June
Thurs 14 June
Mon 18 June
Tues 19 June
Wed 20 June
Tue 26 June
Wed 27 June
Thurs 28 June
Mon 09 July
Tue 10 July
Wed 11 July
Thu 12 July
Health Board
Cardiff & Vale UHB
Cwm Taf HB
Cwm Taf HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Powys HB
Various LHBs
Powys HB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Hywel Dda HB
Hywel Dda HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Aneurin Bevan HB
Roadshow Venue
CARDIFF
MERTHYR
PONTYPTYDD
BRIDGEND
BRECON
ABERYSTWYTH
MACHYNLLETH
RHYL
BANGOR
WREXHAM
CARMATHEN
HAVERFORDWEST
SWANSEA
CWMBRAN
Total
%
Yes
NO
16
2
1
0
0
0
0
1
0
17
2
4
29
36
108
41%
Total
3
11
28
6
7
5
7
26
32
1
20
10
0
0
156
59%
19
13
29
6
7
5
7
27
32
18
22
14
29
36
264
8.Reccommend?
DATE
Mon 10 June
Tue 12 June
Wed 13 June
Thurs 14 June
Mon 18 June
Tues 19 June
Wed 20 June
Tue 26 June
Wed 27 June
Thurs 28 June
Mon 09 July
Tue 10 July
Wed 11 July
Thu 12 July
Health Board
Cardiff & Vale UHB
Cwm Taf HB
Cwm Taf HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Powys HB
Various LHBs
Powys HB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Hywel Dda HB
Hywel Dda HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Aneurin Bevan HB
Date: 06/03/2012
Roadshow Venue
CARDIFF
MERTHYR
PONTYPTYDD
BRIDGEND
BRECON
ABERYSTWYTH
MACHYNLLETH
RHYL
BANGOR
WREXHAM
CARMATHEN
HAVERFORDWEST
SWANSEA
CWMBRAN
Total
%
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Yes
NO
16
11
30
6
7
5
7
27
32
17
22
14
29
36
259
98%
Total
3
2
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
6
2%
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13
30
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7
5
7
27
32
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9 Equality & Diversity
DATE
Mon 10 June
Tue 12 June
Wed 13 June
Thurs 14 June
Mon 18 June
Tues 19 June
Wed 20 June
Tue 26 June
Wed 27 June
Thurs 28 June
Mon 09 July
Tue 10 July
Wed 11 July
Thu 12 July
Health Board
Cardiff & Vale UHB
Cwm Taf HB
Cwm Taf HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Powys HB
Various LHBs
Powys HB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Betsi Cadwaladr UHB
Hywel Dda HB
Hywel Dda HB
Abertawe Bro Morganwg UHB
Aneurin Bevan HB
Date: 06/03/2012
Roadshow Venue
CARDIFF
MERTHYR
PONTYPTYDD
BRIDGEND
BRECON
ABERYSTWYTH
MACHYNLLETH
RHYL
BANGOR
WREXHAM
CARMATHEN
HAVERFORDWEST
SWANSEA
CWMBRAN
Total
%
Version:1.0
Yes
NO
16
12
29
6
7
5
7
27
32
17
22
14
29
36
259
98%
Total
3
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
4
2%
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19
12
30
6
7
5
7
27
32
17
22
14
29
36
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Abbreviations
CMP – Child Measurement programme for Wales
NCCHD –National Community Child Health Database
Date: 06/03/2012
Version:1.0
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