METALLIC MATERIALS MANUFACTURING
JUNE 2017
UNCONFIRMED
UNCONFIRMED MINUTES
JUNE 05-08, 2017
BERLIN, GERMANY
These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a
subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation
from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.
MONDAY, 05-Jun-2017 TO THURSDAY, 08-Jun-2017
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS
1.1
Call to Order / Quorum Check
The Metallic Materials Manufacturing (MMM) Task Group was called to order at 9:00 a.m., 05Jun-2017
It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion
of the meeting.
A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:
Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
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Elaine
Werner
Heinz
David
Craig
Chris
Jean Francois
Greg
PAUL
hongping
José A.
Will
Johan
Fabrice
Shiqiao
COMPANY NAME
Boswell
Buchmann
Camastral
Chang
Clasper
Davison
Dumont
Goldhagen
GRAHAM
li
Moreno
Otaluka
Tholerus
Trebeden
Yin
Rolls-Royce
MTU Aero Engines AG
MTU Aero Engines AG
Rolls-Royce
Spirit AeroSystems
Spirit AeroSystems
Airbus
UTC Aerospace – (Hamilton Sundstrand)
Airbus Commercial Aircraft
COMAC
Airbus Defence and Space
Honeywell Aerospace
GKN Aerospace Sweden AB
Airbus Helicopters
Rolls-Royce
Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)
NAME
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Francisco
Markus
Markus
Arie
Jonathan
Hugo
Stephen
Jens
Alexander
Richard
GILLES
Wolfgang
Johannes
Stuart
COMPANY NAME
Aldecoa
Buescher
Fuchsmann
Goldstien
Gonzalez
GUAJARDO
Hall
Kiehn
Klyuch
Knibb
LEROY
Liegl
Martin
Mellor
FRISA FORJADOS
Otto FUCHS KG
Otto Fuchs KG
Blades Technology Ltd
Solar Atmospheres
FRISA FORJADOS
Doncasters Chard
Otto Fuchs KG
Blades Technology Ltd
Doncasters
AUBERT & DUVAL
Böhler Schmiedetechnik GmbH & CoKG
Arconic Tital
Wyman Gordon Ltd
Chairperson
Secretary
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Anne Pascale
Andreas
Andreas
Louis-Marie
Brian
Rainer
Simone
Peter
Gail
Harold
Michael
Bernd
Christian
Fabio
Junji
David
Mark
Nicholas
MOIROUX
Mühlenbein
Prethaler
RABBE
Reynolds
Ricken
Robinson
Rowe
Shepheard
Slaterpryce
Snyder
Spelsberg
Stoeckler
Sturzen
Tsuji
Viers
Willis
Wood
Aubert Duval
Arconic Tital
Böhler Schmiedetechnik GmbH & Co KG
Aubert and Duval (ERAMET Group)
Arconic
Zollern Soest
Arconic
Doncasters Group
Doncasters, Chard
PCC Airfoils, LLC
Special Metals Corp.
Otto Fuchs KG
Zollern Gmbh & Co kG
FORGITAL Italy S.p.A.
IHI corporation
ATI Cast Products
Arconic
Arconic
PRI Staff Present
Jerry
1.2
Aston
Safety Information– OPEN
Reviewed fire exits in meeting room.
Inform PRI Staff person of any emergencies.
1.3
Review Code of Ethics – OPEN
1.4
Present the Anti-Trust Video – OPEN
1.5
Review Agenda and RAIL – OPEN
The Rolling Action Item List (RAIL) was reviewed.
For specific details, please see the current MMM Rolling Action Item List (RAIL) posted at
www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.
1.6
Acceptance of Previous Meeting Minutes - OPEN
Motion made by Jonathan Gonzalez and seconded by Greg Goldhagen to accept February 2017
Meeting Minutes as written. Motion Passed.
2.0
REVIEW OF PROCEDURE CHANGES – OPEN
Review changes to General Operating Procedures
Changes made to General Operating Procedures since February 2017 were reviewed.
Review changes to OP 1114 and OP 1116 Appendices
No changes to the OP 1114 Appendix MMM and OP 1116 Appendix MMM were completed since
the February 2017 Meeting.
ACTION ITEM: Jerry Aston to put summary of procedure changes into public documents. (Due
Date: 30-Jun-2017)
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3.0
HISTORY STATUS – FORGINGS AND CASTINGS - OPEN
Elaine Boswell gave a brief presentation on the history and status of the MMM Task Group.
ACTION ITEM: Jerry Aston to add MMM History presentation to work area. (Due Date: 30-Jun2017)
4.0
SUPPLIER SUPPORT COMMITTEE (SSC) REPORT OUT – OPEN
Jonathan Gonzalez gave presentation on current Supplier Support Committee (SSC) activities.
5.0
VOTING MEMBER UPDATES & COMPLIANCE WITH VOTING REQUIREMENTS – OPEN
The following requests for additions or changes to voting membership were received and
confirmed by the Task Group Chairperson pending verification of PD 1100 requirements:
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Subscriber Voting Member: UVM
Supplier Voting Member: SVM
Alternate: ALT
Task Group Chairperson: CHR
Vice Chairperson: VCH
Secretary: SEC
First
Name
Surname
Company
Position:
Meetings Attended
(Month/Year)
(new / updated
role)
Will
Otaluka
Honeywell
ALT UVM (New)
Feb 2017
Jun 2017
Peter
Rowe
Doncasters
ALT SVM (New)
Jun 2016
Jun 2017
Jonathon
Gonzalez
Solar
Atmospheres
SVM (updatedcomplany)
Feb 2017
Jun 2017
Jose
Moreno
Airbus Defense
& Space
UVM (New)
Jun 2016
Oct 2016
Richard
Knibb
Doncasters
SVM (New)
Jun 2016
Jun 2017
Craig
Clasper
Spirit
Aerosystems
UVM (New)
Feb 2017
Jun 2017
Li
Hongping
COMAC
UVM (New)
Feb 2017
Jun 2017
Brian
Reynolds
Arconic
SVM (updated)
Jun 2016
Oct 2016
Bill
Rogers
Arconic
ALT SVM (updated)
Jun 2016
Oct 2016
The compliance to voting requirements per PD 1100 were reviewed. Bombardier has not met
requirements for maintaining voting rights; attendance, missed 5 consecutive meetings.
Compliance with membership requirements were waived by the MMM Task Group Chairperson
for Bombardier at this time.
ACTION ITEM: Remove Alexandre Bourgeois (Bombardier) as voting member at the October 2017
Nadcap Meeting if he does not attend. Elaine Boswell to contact Alexandre Bourgeois. (Due Date:
20-Oct-2017)
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Firth Rixson Forgings Limited, Otto Fuchs KG, and Techject Airfoils Ltd. have not met the
requirements for maintaining voting rights; attendance, missed 3 consecutive meetings each.
Compliance with membership requirements were waived by the MMM Task Group chairperson
for Firth Rixson Forgings Limited, Otto Fuchs KG, and Techject Airfoils Ltd. at this time.
See above table for new and updated voting membership roles.
Succession Planning:
Elaine to continue as chair until October 2017, Brian Strech to assume position.
6.0
CHECKLIST DEVELOPMENT AC7140 – OPEN
Tom Ancich provided the Task Group with a set of questions covering Inducting Heating (for
heating forgings prior to forging). These were discussed by the Task Group and no decision was
made to including them in the checklist as at this time. The Subscribers were asked to review if
they permit/allow induction heating for forging and supply this information to Jerry Aston before
the October 2017 meeting. If it is allowed by Subscribers a sub-team will be created.
ACTION ITEM: Subscribers to give input (to Jerry) on their allowance of induction Heating for
Forging. (Due Date: 20-Oct-2017)
A discussion was held on what was the definition of Forging Temperature. There was a number
of terminologies used and Elaine Boswell agreed to create a summary of the different
terminologies for inclusion in the MMM Audit Handbook.
ACTION ITEM: Elaine Boswell to propose summary of different terminology used for Forging
Temperature. (Due Date: 20-Oct-2017)
7.0
AUITOR CONSISTENCY – OPEN
OP 1117 Auditor Consistency compliance was reviewed. It was noted that limited data was
available due to no Forging audits being completed as yet. This information will be available for
future meetings.
Auditor proficiency testing is not required at this time.
Observation appendix not required for MMM at this time.
Criteria in Annex B will be used to determine auditors to be observed in observation audits. With
addition of number of major and minor findings and time since last observation.
New auditors to be observed within first 6 months.
ACTION ITEM: Jerry Aston to create observation audit tracking criteria spreadsheet. (Due Date:10Oct-2017)
Task Group agreed that the auditors can have their e-mail addresses to enable questions to be
asked to maintain open communication.
It was also agreed that auditor questions will be maintained in a log.
ACTION ITEM: Jerry Aston to maintain log of auditor questions. (Due Date: 01-Jul-2017)
Feedback from observation audits to be discussed at the October 2017 Auditor Conference.
To enable training auditors to be upgraded to auditor and where a subscriber cannot observe, the
Task Group agreed that Jery Aston could observe for the T2 audits to allow upgrading to auditors
(if successful).
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8.0
OCTOBER 2017 AUDITOR CONFERENCE– OPEN
The agenda for the October 2017 Auditor Conference to be held in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,
USA was discussed. It was agreed due to the number of potential auditors who will attend the
October 2017 Auditor Conference that the October 2016 training will be repeated. Subscribers
agreed to review their presentations and update where necessary.
October 2016 Auditor Conference MMM Agenda was reviewed and approved for use in 2017.
FAQ for auditors will not to be created until Forging audits have started.
9.0
CHECKLIST DEVELOPMENT – OPEN
See item 6 for discussion.
1.0
OPENING COMMENTS – FORGINGS – CLOSED
CALL to Order and Quorum Check.
Verified only Subscriber members are in attendance.
10.0
REVIEW DELEGATION STATUS – FORGINGS – CLOSED
No delegation data to present as no Nadcap audits completed.
11.0
AUDITOR PERFORMANCE/FEEDBACK – FORGINGS – CLOSED
No performance or feedback data to present as no Nadcap audits completed.
12.0
AUDIT RESULTS – FORGINGS – CLOSED
No Nadcap audits completed.
It was agreed that the Subscribers would send a list of suppliers being sent mandate letters. Jerry
Aston will then collate these suppliers and send out a standard letter to the suppliers requesting
that they schedule a Forging audit as soon as possible. The letter will include a link to checklists
in eAuditNet to aide in audit preparation.
ACTION ITEM: Subscribers to send Jerry listing of suppliers that mandate letters are being sent
to. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2017)
ACTION ITEM: Jerry Aston to send letter to common suppliers in attempt to schedule audits with
a link to checklists in eAuditNet to be included in letter PRI sends to suppliers. (Due Date: 30-Aug2017)
13.0
OPENING COMMENTS – FORGINGS – OPEN
Call to Order / Quorum Check
14.0
SUBSCRIBER MANDATES – FORGINGS – OPEN
Safran, Airbus, and Honeywell mandated suppliers to have MMM - Forgings accreditation by end
of 2018.
MTU to start mandating accreditation after December 2017 on new contracts.
Hamliton Sundstrand are presenting to senior management the proposed plan to mandate MMM.
GKN no decision made on mandating.
Rolls-Royce will mandate but still not sure of timing of the mandates.
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Spirit still reviewing the Forging commodity before deciding on mandating.
15.0
PLANNED AUDITS – FORGINGS – OPEN
For 2017 there are three (3) nadcap audits planned. There are also for information eight (8) RollsRoyce PRI Forging audits planned.
16.0
AUDITOR RECRUITMENT – FORGINGS – OPEN
Auditor recruitment is on going with U.S. auditors and Asian auditors needed.
This at the moment one (1) approved European auditor and two (2) U.S. auditors in training.
17.0
TABLED SUBJECTS – FORGINGS – OPEN
It was noted that in the MMM Audit Handbook the Subscriber Requirements Matrix has not been
populated. This is an aide to auditors as it directs the auditor to Subscriber requirements for the
questions asked. The Subscribers agreed to send this information to allow the matrix to be
populated.
ACTION ITEM: Subscribers to send information to Brian Striech to complete Subscriber
Requirement Matrix in MMM Audit Handbook. (Due Date: 20-Oct-2017)
18.0
AGENDA FOR OCTOBER 2017 MEETING – FORGINGS – OPEN
Outline of Forging portion of MMM October 2017 Agenda produced.
19.0
NEW BUSINESS – FORGINGS – OPEN
No new business to discuss.
20.0
REVIEW RAIL ACTION ITEMS – FORGINGS – OPEN
RAIL items for Forgings part of the meeting reviewed and updated.
21.0
OPENING COMMENTS – CASTINGS – OPEN
Call to Order / Quorum Check.
22.0
REPORT-OUT FROM SAND CASTING SUB-TEAM – OPEN
The Sand Casting Sub-Team reported on the progess that they made in writing the questions for
sections 3 and 4 of the Sand Casting checklist. These questions were reviewed by the Task
Group and modifications incorporated and added to the Sand Casting Checklist. Further review
would be carried out during checklist development section.
23.0
CASTING CHECKLIST DEVELOPMENT – OPEN
The Task Group continued review of the Investment Casting Checklist. The questions were
created and notes to add clarifications for the checklist questions to include in the MMM Audit
Handbook were made.
It was agreed that a sub-team will review the Honeywell checklist questions supplied with the
checklist created to see if there are any Honeywell questions that should be included in the
Investment Casting Checklist.
ACTION ITEM: Sub-team of Will Otaluka, Brian Reynolds, Richard Knibb, Peter Rowe, and David
Chang to review the Honeywell checklist questions with the checklist created to see if there are
any Honeywell questions that should be included in the Investment Castings Checklist. (Due Date:
20-Oct-2017)
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24.0
NO ITEM ON AGENDA
25.0
AUDITOR QUALICATION REQUIREMENTS – CASTINGS – OPEN
Updated OP 1116 Appendix MMM to reflect Auditor Qualification requirements for Castings.
26.0
CASTING AUDITOR INTERVIEW QUESTIONS – CASTINGS – OPEN
Updated Forging interview questions for casting. These will be the standard questions asked to
improve consistency of Casting Auditors.
27.0
CASTING CHECKLIST DEVELOPMENT – INVESTMENT CASTINGS – OPEN
Continued review of Investment Casting Checklist questions.
28.0
CASTING CHECKLIST DEVELOPMENT – SAND CASTINGS CASTINGS – OPEN
The Task Group continued the development of the checklist for Sand Casting. The Task Group
worked through the Sand Casting process flow creating questions similar in format with the
Investment Casting checklist. This will be on-going at the October 2017 Nadcap Meeting.
David Chang to add Post Sand Casting Operations headings in the Sand Casting Checklist by
October Nadcap 2017 Meeting.
ACTION ITEM: David Chang to add Post Sand Casting Operations headings in the Sand Casting
Checklist by October Nadcap 2017 Meeting. (Due Date: 20-Oct-2017)
29.0
TABLED SUBJECTS – OPEN
No tabled subjects to discuss.
30.0
FINALIZE OCTOBER 2017 AGENDA – OPEN
Agenda approved for October 2017 Nadcap Meeting to be held in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA.
31.0
NEW BUSINESS - OPEN
No new business to discuss.
32.0
REVIEW RAIL ACTION ITEMS – CASTINGS – OPEN
RAIL updated and will be posted in eAuditnet > Resources > Documents > Public Documents.
ADJOURNMENT – Thursday, 08-Feb-2017 – Meeting was adjourned a 4:30 p.m.
Minutes Prepared by:Greg Goldhagen ( [email protected]) and Jerry Aston (PRI)
***** For PRI Staff use only: ******
Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting?
(select one)
YES* ☒ NO ☐
*If yes, the following information is required:
Documents requiring revision:
Who is responsible:
OP 1116 Appendix MMM
J. Aston
Due date:
15-Oct-2017