/w EPDw UKMTE4 ed 15012330 Week 3: Risk Identification (continued) - Discussion Risk Identification (graded) The project charter usually will include assumptions about the risks the project will face. These assumptions may or may not be correct. Once the risks are identified, what do you think would be the way to verify or refute these assumptions? Responses Response Author 268105949,26865 265569865 Hi Class Date/Time 0 Professor Moretti 1/14/2012 11:25:48 AM Let's start this discussion by addressing the following: The project charter usually will include assumptions about the risks the project will face. These assumptions may or may not be correct. Once the risks are identified, what do you think would be the way to verify or refute these assumptions? Thanks, OLM 268650555,27041 268105949 265569865 RE: Hi Class Adriana Garcia 1/18/2012 11:42:12 PM The charter is laying down the foundation of the project. Identifying the risks will be helpful. Knowing the risk assumptions needs to be checked off in the very beginning of the project in order to be successful. Then the team will be able to continue with the project without having any surprises at the end. This is only to avoid the mistakes and time wasted along the way in a project. Using the template gives everyone a better perspective of how the project will end. 270415496 268650555 268105949 RE: Hi John Garganera Class 1/19/2012 9:04:26 PM Adriana: How to check the assumption on the risk if that risk is not even possibility to happen. What if that never happened because we did what we about to do with no distractions? Well, I think its impossible to have the project to be perfect without risk and interruption. BUt just in case the risk that we assume that will happen and that never happen? 270415496 268650555 RE: Hi Adriana Garcia Class 1/22/2012 11:25:27 PM John, I really do not understand your question. All I can say is being prepared and do not take short cuts would lead to success. Being prepared and using all the resources that a project manager has should be used in case of a risk to be present. Of course how will we know of a risk if we do not see it coming. But we should also present possible misshapen in everything we do in life. If the risk we thought would happen did not happen we are safe to say we were prepared. 267987495 265569865 RE: Hi Class Mei Chen 1/18/2012 8:25:59 PM The risk assumptions should be done in the very early stage of the project. In order to verify these assumptions, we can look into the pass experience / sample cases to see if the assumptions are valet, and we can further verify these assumptions throughout the process of the project as it goes on. 267787816,27016 267761441 265569865 RE: Hi Class Amber Webb 1/18/2012 2:26:05 PM The project charter is typically done very early on within a project, or should be for any type or size of a project. From this point obvious risks have been identified and known for the project, the assumptions about the risks are aligned with each risk within a risk workshop. I think one way to verify or refute these assumptions is to continue on within the project with periodic tests to look back on risks that have occurred not occurred, and also the handling of these risks, as well as the outcome. 267787816 267761441 RE: Hi John Garganera Class 1/18/2012 3:20:46 PM Amber: That is true analization is the big key, We need to analyze those projects that already been done and know what are the risk involved on that projects so that it can be intercepted if that risk will be occurring in the near future. this is what I mostly do when I do a project either be cleaning my room, doing my chores, driving in the snow. Before I do that, I need to analyze on what needs to be done first and determine what risk I am taking especially driving in the snow. Even I am good in driving in the Snow I still cant be really reckless because the road is really slippery and slusshy, so I need to do some analization about the potential of my car to overcome those risk. 270162561 267761441 RE: Hi Tyrone Labad Class 1/22/2012 5:47:07 PM Very true amber , also A project charter describes what your project is and how you will approach it, and it lists the names of all stakeholders. It's a critical component of the project management initiation and planning phases, and you'll refer to it throughout the life of the project. Each project begins with an idea, a vision, or a business opportunity--and that is the starting point that must be associated with your organization’s business objectives. The project charter is that starting point. The charter lays the foundation of the project. It includes a statement of your business's needs. What is the history that has led to the need? How was it recognized, and why is it planned now? 267761717 265569865 RE: Hi Class Christopher Morton 1/18/2012 2:26:38 PM As it states in the PMBOK Guide chapter 11; this would require conducting some information gathering techniques such as Brainstorming, interviewing, root cause analysis, and the Delphi technique, which is to allow certain experts participate that would shed light on particular topics that could lead to obtaining a better perspective of the risks established. Basically at some point a group effort in numerous meetings may be the key to potentially weeding out risks or causes of risks with preventive measures, therefore minimizing the overall risks itself. Anytime you are able to take a major risk assessment and crunch it down effectively through proper contingencies or preventive measures, that will help develop an overall better quality project in respect to planning efforts. 267929949 265569865 RE: Hi Class Matthew Voorhees 1/18/2012 7:13:48 PM "The project charter usually will include assumptions about the risks the project will face. These assumptions may or may not be correct. Once the risks are identified, what do you think would be the way to verify or refute these assumptions?" The way to verify or refute assumptions would be to make that an issue address by the workshop set up during the identification step. To do this, once all risks are brought to the table, each risk should be evaluated by the workshop members to verify it's level of risk. After all risk are evaluated, then the workshop can then move on to risks not address by the project charter for equal evaluation for risk level. 268662088 267931200 265569865 RE: Hi Class Douglas Cave 1/18/2012 7:15:26 PM Once risks have been identified I believe the project team can work together on a risks analysis and risk management plan to gather information about the validity of the risks mentioned. 268662088 267931200 RE: Hi John Garganera Class 1/19/2012 9:18:12 PM Douglas: I think the Project Manager has a duty to let the team know on what kind of risk in the projects that they are going to face. I believe that the team should help each other to determine the assumption in the risk on a Project. 267445980 265569865 RE: Hi Class Walter Monroy 1/17/2012 8:58:50 PM Once assumptions of possible risk have been establish a project manager can use this knowledge to prepare for ways to avoid the risk or create a contingency plan in order to reduce the damage associated with the risk. 267900034,26882 267136346 RE: Hi Class 265569865 Tyrone Labad 1/17/2012 12:50:53 PM The project risks should be aligned with assumptions and assessed in the risk workshop. Once the assumptions have been identified at the workshop they must be written down on an assumptions and constraints analysis template. The assumptions there can be identified, validated and tested. However, risks identified at the project charter are usually very obvious risks but the reason they are a risk is only discovered as a part of the risk analysis efforts. Not all risks can truly be assessed until a full scope analysis is completed for the project so great care should be taken as things will change in the course of a project. 267900034 267136346 RE: Hi Daniel Hintz Class 1/18/2012 6:34:10 PM Tyrone - I couldn't agree more. In the risk assessments that I have worked on we always started with assumptions as the basis of what could happen and when it happens what to expect. If you have an experience team they should be able to foresee most risk. The unknown risk can always be dealt with a more generic template, with specifics being added during the risk analysis. 268823724 267136346 RE: Hi Christopher Morton Class 1/20/2012 8:33:00 AM Great illustration and explanation Tyronne. I truly believe in all you stated as risk assessment is based on the amount of knowledge and analyzing that has been done in regards to those risk identified at the charter. After proper analysis, some identified risk may not be that profound of a risk due to the structure of the particular project and tasking goals. Not much more I can elaborate on this due to your comments. 266750369 265569865 RE: Hi Class Thomas Yusavage 1/16/2012 6:47:31 PM Once the assumptions have been identified at the workshop they must be written down on an assumptions and constraints analysis template. The assumptions there can be identified and validated and tested. During the discussion the assumption will be considered safe and less likely to occur or proven false based on past experience. there will be some constraints which can be fixed and shown not likely to change during the project. Some safe assumptions and constraints corrected can be excluded as a possible risk. There may even be a few false assumptions that would be addressed outside this meeting to be considered by the project manager and the project sponsor. 268667948,27032 266885292 265569865 RE: Hi Class Robert Yoes 1/16/2012 9:48:18 PM Once the risks are identified, what do you think would be the way to verify or refute these assumptions? I believe it would helpful to use statistic to attempt to predict the probability of an event occurring. Conducting a risk workshop with key players in the project is a good way to bring in the personnel that can help determine what risk are really valid. 270325577 268667948 266885292 RE: Hi John Garganera Class 1/19/2012 9:25:34 PM Robert: Do you think assumptions is always wrong, because we assume that this well happen, is always be assumption be negative all the time or it can be also positive? 270325577 268667948 RE: Hi Robert Yoes Class 1/22/2012 9:07:44 PM You should not assume anything, you should make well informed decisions in all the decisions in your life. 269027295 266885292 RE: Hi Walter Monroy Class 1/20/2012 3:56:32 PM I think that if scheduling and budget allow for it then having a trial run just to see how the risk can affect the project is a good idea. If the budget and scheduling does not allow for a test run then just being aware of the risk can be beneficial. 266701095 266061029 265569865 RE: Hi Class Ricky Worley 1/15/2012 1:25:45 PM I know for projects where I have a leadership role I typically do this activity as a part of the risk workshop wrap up. The Project Charter is established early, typically as a part of the justification for the project so many of the risks are not known and/or understood at that point. When the core team has worked through the risk definition and ranking of risks, they can then look back to see if the early thoughts were correct or not. In my experience I have often found that risks identified at the project charter are usually very obvious risks but the reason they are a risk is only discovered as a part of the risk analysis efforts. I have also found that the periodic risk review meetings should continue to look backwards as well as forward when exploring project risks. Things will change in the course of a project so there needs to be vigilance in regards to understanding those changes. This is just one of many areas that have to be monitored. 266701095 266061029 RE: Hi Kristy Krezeczowski Class 1/16/2012 5:27:19 PM The risks that are known earlier in the project are very simple risks or more obvious risks. They are normally not specific and are more broad and general. One way to refute these or verify these is to go into more detail. Also, you can look into other risks that may be more viable. 266653355,26699 266211557 265569865 RE: Hi Class Joseph Allen 1/15/2012 6:21:26 PM Having a team meeting, or focus group to review the project charter and develop a WBS would further help to identify risks, verify assumptions and refute assumptions that were not correct. By breaking down the project into manageable pieces we can better define what needs to be done and better identify the risks. We will also be able to better understand which assumptions from the project charter are correct, and which of those that are not. 266991104,26707 266653355 266211557 RE: Hi Ricky Worley Class 1/16/2012 3:56:23 PM Joseph, I think you make a great point. By breaking down the project steps and analyzing the tasks at a more granular level, the project team can better see where there may be threats and opportunities related to the project. When the team is looking at the project as an aggregate objective or group of objectives, it is often difficult to see what risks and uncertainties exist. The project may look like it if fraught with all types of issues at first but when the team breaks everything into the bite sized pieces that will need to be performed those ogres will become much smaller and may even disappear. 267071402 266991104 266653355 RE: Hi David Froning Class 1/17/2012 7:07:35 AM I think you guys are on the right track. By breaking down the project into small pieces and creating a WBS the team and its stakeholders can much easier see the risks that are much harder to see in the initial charter. 267071402 266991104 RE: Hi Darick Robinson Class 1/17/2012 10:36:22 AM After the business professionals have identified the risk, they should be researched and evaluated for further assessment. The initial responses to those risks are developed in the workshop and they end with the documentation of the risks, the risk plan, and they set the stage for the next step in the process: the assessment step. Some of these risks may be small and minute in comparison to others, so assessing these risk can either verify or refute these assumptions. After verifying or refuting these assumptions allowing management to eliminate those risk that are not a big factor while paying more attention to the risks that are more valid. 266583397 265569865 RE: Hi Class Elizabeth Vorass 1/16/2012 1:24:06 PM The project risks should be aligned with assumptions and assessed in the risk workshop. All assumptions should be analyzed and potentially considered a risk until the assumption can be confirmed that it will follow through. Having assumptions in a project/WBS increases the associated risk of the project because the actual follow-through of the process or the actual availability is not known until confirmed. 266648642 265569865 RE: Hi Class David Badilla 1/16/2012 3:46:50 PM Not all risks can truly be assessed until a full scope analysis is completed for the project. Once the full scope is known, then a risk workshop would be a good way to get ideas from each other, then a discussion to analyze the assumptions to determine validity. Past experience can be a good determination. 266542444 Reminder Threaded Discussion Grading Expectations 0 Professor Moretti 1/16/2012 11:46:14 AM Threaded Discussion Grading Expectations In the Discussion areas of the course, students can interact with the instructor and classmates to explore questions and comments related to the content of this course. Discussions will always close Sunday, 11:59 P.M. Mountain Time (MT). Students are expected to log into the course and post (respond) in each graded threaded discussion on a minimum of three separate days per week in each graded thread, beginning no later than Wednesday each week. The threaded discussions (TDA) will be graded for: Frequency/17 total points - Frequency is calculated on a “points per day” basis, with 2 points per day for each graded thread plus 5 point for making the first post by Wednesday. Students cannot earn full points for frequency without meeting the frequency requirements. A deduction of two points per graded thread is taken for posting after the Wednesday deadline. Quality/18 total points - Post quality is evaluated using the quality measurement criteria listed in the syllabus. DeVry uses the Portfolio method. For example, a student may post 5 medium quality posts in one graded thread and earn full points for quality. Thanks, Oscar L. Moretti, Ph.D., PE, PMP 266714256,26701 266542763 Quiz Like Question 0 Professor Moretti 1/16/2012 11:47:00 AM The type of risk that includes the inherent chances of both profit and loss is: a. Business Risk b. Pure Risk c. Insurable Risk d. Project Risk 267019408,26788 266714256 RE: Quiz Like Question 266542763 Joshewa Fishwild Giesseman 1/16/2012 5:49:31 PM I have two ideas Project Risk and Business Risk. The one I think works the best is Business Risk Investment risk associated with the changes in the earnings capability of the company. 267888311 267019408 266714256 RE: Quiz Like Danielle Hite Question 1/17/2012 8:35:29 AM Josh, I also think Project Risk or Business Risk. Project Risk is the recognition that the problem could occur...but that "problem" doesn't necessarily mean that it will lead to a loss. I believe Project Risk could lead to a loss, a profit, or neither come the end of the project. Business Risk can be a gain or loss in wages, repairs, taxes, general expenses, and so forth. Pure Risk is only having the possibility of loss as the outcome. There would be no beneficial result from Pure Risk. Insurable risk is a loss or damage that is definable and pays out...and to think outside the box, Insurable Risk is a loss of money, unless it pays out...which then could be profit. Hmmmm. 267888311 267019408 RE: Quiz Like Kristy Krezeczowski Question 1/18/2012 6:17:33 PM I would also say business risk beacuse there can be a gain or loss in profit. Just because we know there is a risk, we need to find a way to see if the success of the project will out weigh the risk, which is the whole point of the risk management process. 268085572,26954 266749097 RE: Quiz Like Question 266542763 Joseph Allen 1/16/2012 6:45:39 PM I believe I would define the risks as: a. Business Risk-a risk that includes chances for both profit and loss b. Pure Risk- A risk that is out of anyones control and normally leads to a negative event c. Insurable Risk-A known risk that is more than likely inevitable to happen, therefore precautions can be taken to insure the outcome of the risk d. Project Risk-A risk that may take place in the future and can be planned for. The answer would be a. Business Risk. 268085572 266749097 RE: Quiz Like Brett Lubcke Question 1/18/2012 10:50:30 PM Like many of my classmates I was going to say that it was both Business Risk and Project Risk. However you make a very good point with your definitions. 269546408 266749097 RE: Quiz Like Adriana Garcia Question 1/21/2012 4:04:43 PM Great response and question Joseph. This really does look like a quiz question. I would be confused with A and B for some reason. I will review it. Thanks again 266988706 RE: Quiz Like Question 266542763 Ricky Worley 1/17/2012 6:57:51 AM In my view the correct answer would be a Business Risk. I believe Pure Risk is a risk where there is no possible gain, Insurable Risks are those that meet criteria that allow the risks to be spread across parties and project risks, while possibly resulting in profits or losses for a company, really are focused on upside and downside impacts to the project itself. 267000958 266855753 RE: Quiz Like Question 266542763 Justin Warburton 1/16/2012 9:08:53 PM A business risk because it can profit but lower than anticipated or that it will experience a loss rather than a profit but it is the only risk for both profit and loss. 267000958 266855753 RE: Quiz Like Professor Moretti Question 1/17/2012 7:42:01 AM Good work! The correct answer is Business Risk. 267000953 RE: Quiz Like Question 266542763 Sabino Garza 1/17/2012 7:42:00 AM The answer is a. Business Risk. Reference: A-Moneim, Prof. Dr. Atef M. Risk Assessment and Risk Management. Center of Advancement of Postgraduate Studies and Research in Engineering Sciences, Faculty of Engineering - Cairo University (CAPSCU) , 2005. Digital. 268931609 RE: Quiz Like Question 266542763 John Garganera 1/20/2012 12:29:05 PM Business risk- this is no brainer because we all know that the people that will gain profit and lose are only the Businessman. Well if we talk about pure risk - it talks about the risk itself. Insurable risk - I think this is where did now know if that risk is known or unknown. Project risk can lose profits if the project goes wrong because this is by contract, 269208021 RE: Quiz Like Question 266542763 Darick Robinson 1/20/2012 9:34:22 PM The type of risk that includes the inherent chances of both profit and loss is Business Risk. A business risk is a circumstance or factor that may have a negative impact on the operation or profitability of a given company. Sometimes referred to as company risk, a business risk can be the result of internal conditions, as well as some external factors that may be evident in the wider business community. When it comes to outside factors that can create an element of business risk, one of the most predominant risks is that of a change in demand for the goods and services produced by the company. If the change is a positive one, and the demand for the offerings of the company increase, the amount of risk is decreased a great deal. However, if consumer demand for the offerings decreases, either due to loss of business to competitors or a change in general economic conditions, the amount of risk involved to investors will increase significantly. When a company’s risk factor is considered to be increased due to outside factors that are beyond the control of the company to correct, chances of attracting new investors is severely limited. http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-business-risk.htm 269799575 RE: Quiz Like Question 266542763 Mei Chen 1/21/2012 11:04:45 PM I believe both Business Rick and Project risk will result in both profit and lost as both risk will have a chance to have the out come as opportunities. 267464020,26977 267001206 HI Class 0 Professor Moretti 1/17/2012 7:42:48 AM Brainstorming is an essential tool in the identification step. But it can get off track easily. How would you keep it from getting out of hand? Thanks, OLM 269779627,26955 267464020 RE: HI Class 267001206 Daniel Worcester 1/17/2012 9:23:21 PM Whether its brainstorming possible projects, the solutions to problems, or steps to completing a project brainstorming is an awesome tool. To keep co workers on task while brainstorming I always like to set up one person as the chairman. This person using a whiteboard writes everyone's ideas on a white board or piece of paper and with one idea at a time the team ensures that one idea or another does not go off task. If the chairman who is elected by the team feels that the team is going off basis than they have the job to bring everyone back on task. 269779627 267464020 RE: HI Brett Lubcke Class 1/21/2012 10:23:49 PM The meeting leader whether that be a chairman or person by some other name is responsible for staying on track. I have been in situations where that person is the one that likes to stray however. It is responsible for every member in the meeting or the team to keep on track and have some way to relate to the key objectives. Tangents can be good things. They can lead down the road less traveled and show solid solutions to complex problems but they must be kept in check to a certain extent. 269723032,27041 269551161 267464020 RE: HI Adriana Garcia Class 1/21/2012 4:13:38 PM Daniel, Brainstorming is very important because this is what assists in getting ideas and answers to problems that might come up. I also agree with you about keeping the team members thinking and working hard with this tool. It assists in everyone getting into gear and finishing the steps to come. This also helps for individuals not only group projects. Brainstorming really organizes a project which is very important because the project needs to look its best. If the team does a project without being organized the project could suffer so many problems. Daniel have you used the whiteboard before? I have in the past but its a different concept. 270416481 269723032 269551161 RE: HI Daniel Worcester Class 1/21/2012 8:53:40 PM Yes and I highly recommend using a white board because its easy to add and erase ideas. However I highly recommend using a proctor to facilitate the brainstorming process. When a group of people try to add their ideas all at the same time ideas get lost people get confused and some even get intimidated that their idea will never get heard. By utilizing a proctor they can ensure that all ideas get heard and all ideas get placed on the board. 270416481 269723032 RE: HI Adriana Garcia Class 1/22/2012 11:27:53 PM Daniel, Thanks for the advice. Okay so a proctor is a better solution in brainstorming. I see where you say the team could be confused because everyone interprets an idea differently. I would also think it is more visible. Thanks again. 267188988 RE: HI Class 267001206 Thomas Yusavage 1/17/2012 2:41:46 PM The first step is to have a schedule for the meeting time and a deadline to conclude the meeting, which can be a three day process. There should be between ten to fifteen people present at the meeting which have a key purpose for being there. This meeting should be structured with and agenda and a facilitator which can steer the topic back on track, in case of a run away problem. Each member should state their name and tell their role in the meeting. There should be a checklist to work from to keep to the agreed topics needing attention. This meeting process should be put into a start to finish format controlled by the facilitator to keep the meeting meaningful and on time and to carate effective results. 267544847 Brainstorming 267001206 Robert Yoes 1/18/2012 1:24:50 AM Some good tips to keeping a brainstorming session on track are: Provide a positive comfortable positive environment for the session Lay out ground rules to guide the discussion Don't be dismissive of independent ideas Keep outlandish ideas out of the pool, be realistic Brainstorming is a great tool and team building opportunity, keeping it focused will help keep it guided in the right direction. http://designinstruct.com/articles/project-management/tips-productive-brainstorming- sessions/ 267586300 RE: HI Class 267001206 Sabino Garza 1/18/2012 7:44:27 AM Brainstorming is very important to a team to stimulate the mind. This is a creative exercise to really motivate the team, by having them contribute. If the brainstorming is not monitored and setup correctly, it could go of on a major tangent. I found this website below that has methods of using a brainstorming session efficiently and effectively. Below, I will display the first three steps for the brainstorming session. "To run a group brainstorming session effectively, do the following: Find a comfortable meeting environment, and set it up ready for the session. Appoint one person to record the ideas that come from the session. These should be noted in a format than everyone can see and refer to. Depending on the approach you want to use, you may want to record ideas on flip charts, whiteboards, or computers with data projectors. If people aren’t already used to working together, consider using an appropriate warm-up exercise or ice-breaker." Reference: http://www.mindtools.com/brainstm.html 267637831 RE: HI Class 267001206 Tymmothy Roy 1/18/2012 9:57:46 AM When brainstorming you need to keep someone as the leader to ensure you stay on topic. Alot of times our brainstorming goes off topic and the moderator needs to remind us where we are trying to head. I personally like using the sticky notes for brainstorming. 267671205 RE: HI Class 267001206 Elizabeth Vorass 1/18/2012 11:11:10 AM At the beginning of the risk management meeting it should be made clear, and all attendees should agree, that everyone stay on topic and stay focused on the risk that is being assessed. The leader of the meeting can redirect the group when it begins to go veer off course by asking the attendees questions to get them back in the right direction. Keeping the number of attendees at a reasonable number can also help to keep the group focused. Though the risk assessment process should have as many stakeholders as needed to make a thorough assessment, it should be kept in mind that too many people can make it more difficult to keep the process focused and productive. 267674296 RE: HI Class 267001206 Danielle Hite 1/18/2012 11:17:53 AM I define the problem that we are going to brainstorm on the board then I appoint one person to record the ideas on a dry-erase board. I call on any 'quiet' individuals to make sure they contribute and generate their ideas. Eliminating long trains of thought is important to stay on track. Keeping the brainstorming team to a limited number of people is crucial also for this type of brainstorming. It's easier to keep my group focused when I only include 4 - 8 people in the brainstorming session. 267544147 267034886 RE: HI Class 267001206 Ricky Worley 1/17/2012 9:13:50 AM While brainstorming sessions are supposed to allow "free thought" to some degree there is an opportunity for the group to stray into areas that have little or no relevance to the project or the risks being discussed. An effective tool i have used to counter this is something called brain writing ... With this tool there are sheets of paper that are either posted on the wall or passed around the room that contain definitions of the topic (risk in this case) and each team member moves from sheet to sheet writing their ideas regarding the specific topic. While there is still an opportunity to get off track, this technique seems to work better as it requires the participant to expend more energy to get off track because they are having to write their thoughts instead of simply talking. Writing also requires a lot more thought to ensure the idea is clear. There are other techniques such as popcorn and round robin that produce good results. A great book (although a little dated) that I have used to identify really effective facilitation techniques is Games that Trainers Play by Scannell and Newstrom. (McGraw-Hill, New York, New York, 1980) The book is available on Amazon and other outlets 267544147 267034886 RE: HI Robert Yoes Class 1/18/2012 1:16:05 AM Interesting post. 267065259 RE: HI Class 267001206 Jeremy Garretson 1/17/2012 10:23:08 AM I agree that given free thought a group can brainstorm some seriously exageratted risks during a project. Keeping a realistic apporach to identifing risks is probably the best way to encourgage brainstorming of realistic risks. For example although you might be building a robot that has human characteristics, it does not mean that they will take over and destroy the world. A more realistic risk assumption would be power outtage due to storms could delay the project, or power surges could damage delicate electronic parts. 268972343 RE: HI Class 267001206 Daniel Hintz 1/20/2012 1:56:59 PM When brainstorming you should always have a basic criteria and set the expectations as to what needs to be achieved and when. The basic criteria or outline should keep everyone within the boundaries of the project. The expectations should set the standard of how much each person should input. The time gives the person a reference as to how much effort they should put into each of their ideas. 268399347 RE: HI Class 267001206 Walter Monroy 1/19/2012 3:33:28 PM In the book its says that it is important to acknowledge everyone opinion when brainstorming, i can see how this can make the brainstorming session go of track. a way to keep the conversation going on the right track is to offer constructive criticism or simply nudge the conversation back on track by asking for specific. 268638293 RE: HI Class 267001206 Justin Warburton 1/19/2012 8:49:39 PM To keep on track in a brainstorming session itis essential to be in a comfortable enviroment where there is not alot of distractions. Also make a list of topics that you want to cover and try to keep the time short of each subject to keep the meeting moving. 267600157 RE: HI Class 267001206 David Froning 1/18/2012 8:25:20 AM For brainstorming sessions you need a leader, or a facilitator that just keeps everyone on the same page. No one should be afraid to add something to the group or the session will be a failure. You should have enough people to get a good variety of information, but not so many that it ends up being mass confusion. 267804503 RE: HI Class 267001206 Joshewa Fishwild Giesseman 1/18/2012 3:54:40 PM Brainstorming is a great tool to try to master. The better you are prepared the better off you will be in a project. Brainstorming is a popular tool that helps you generate creative solutions to a problem. It also helps you overcome many of the issues that can make group problem-solving a sterile and unsatisfactory process. So in order to keep it for getting out of hand you will need to have one person take charge and do some delegating in the brainstorming process so no one gets off track and stay on the subject. 269384689 RE: HI Class 267001206 Darick Robinson 1/21/2012 10:44:07 AM The best way to start a project is with a brainstorming session -- with your team or by yourself. But brainstorming sessions can lose focus real easy because we have a tendency to get off track when we have these type of discussions. Here are ten great tips from SmartDraw.com, the makers of the popular SmartDraw business graphics software. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. Quantity not Quality. When brainstorming on your own or with a team of people, the goal is to express as many ideas as possible very quickly. Do not self-censor or hesitate before offering an idea. A free exchange is what can help bring your most brilliant ideas to the surface. Pen to Paper. Assign a person to write down all of the ideas on a sheet of paper that can be seen by all of the participants. This list will serve as the master and will be culled to include the most relevant suggestions. No Critics. All ideas should be welcome and no one (leader or participant) should issue any type of verbal criticism toward an idea presented, no matter how off base it may seem at the time. This will help keep the environment supportive and help to encourage everyone to take part in the process. Time's Up. For fertile idea generation, set a time limit. Having a ticking clock or a timer helps get the creative juices flowing. Go the Extra Mile. Even after you think you've exhausted all of the possibilities, reexamine the ideas presented and push yourself to add a few more to the list. Change of Scenery. Sometimes the best brainstorming and idea generation can happen in new surroundings. So, leave the all-too-familiar conference room behind and meet somewhere new, maybe a colleague's home, a park or a quiet café. Small Groups. Brainstorming works best in groups of up to 15 people. If a group gets too large, some attendees may not feel as comfortable participating. Brainstorm Alone? Sure, it's possible. Create a mind map starting with your central theme and branch off that, setting new ideas in different circles that connect to the central theme. Maybe one of your new ideas inspires you, so make it a theme and connect new thoughts to it. This form of mind mapping is commonly used by writers trying to spark their imagination. The main rules are the same: no self-censorship, set a time limit, and keep writing - the pen must be touching the page the entire time. Project Maps. Mind maps are great to use in project management. One such use would be to brainstorm a list of all the questions you have regarding the scope of your project to make sure you are prepared with the answers. 10. Have Fun! Brainstorming can be fun, and is a great way to boost morale among employees and help them to feel part of the decision making process. Source: http://www.allbusiness.com/company-activitiesmanagement/company-strategy/8452360-1.html#ixzz1k7F9f1tc Source: http://www.allbusiness.com/company-activities-management/companystrategy/8452360-1.html#ixzz1k7EfKF6p 269836945 RE: HI Class 267001206 Mei Chen 1/22/2012 2:12:51 AM Brainstorming could be very effective or it can be off track easily, sometimes, it's also easy lead to discussion on other issues instead of the actual topic. I think a list of discussing topics and the host of the meeting should be able to guide all people back to the topic if it's off by too far away. 269988039 RE: HI Class 267001206 Kristy Krezeczowski 1/22/2012 12:56:25 PM You can have a brainstorming leader who makes sure everyone stays on task. In the past where I work, we have had, after the orignial brainstorming session, we have a group of pessimist and opptomists who argue the different points to ensure we are looking at it from every angle. That can get out of control quickly so we put strict timeframes on each topic and one person is keeping time and notes. 270012308 RE: HI Class 267001206 Amber Webb 1/22/2012 1:42:00 PM It would best to have one person within the team or the project manager to organize and keep everyone on track during the indentification step. Brainstorming is essential towards the growth and sucess of any project but it can go off from the main purpose very easily, if someone is keeping this process on track then it will minimize this from happening. 267149716 Assumption 0 John Garganera 1/17/2012 1:18:58 PM The risk are identified based on how the Project Management manage the WBS. I think to verify througroughly is to do some research each break down structure and we will Analyze carefully along with the team the (what IF) statement and make some solution. 267330599 Testing and refuting assumptions 0 Boris Feijoo 1/17/2012 6:36:53 PM During the workshop activities risk are identified; however, risk need to be prove appropriate and real to the project at hand. The validity of each risk is tested by using directed discussions during the workshop, where each risk (assumption or constraints) is examined to detail to determine their real impact over the project. During these discussions many assumptions are often proven false and results support on previous experiences, in the same way constraints consider fixed can be found to be variable during the life of a project. 268929261,26802 267596325 Another Quiz Like Question 0 Professor Moretti 1/18/2012 8:14:38 AM The results of the Initiation should include: · Project Size. · Project Objectives. · Tools and Techniques. · Scales of Probability and Impact. · All of the above 268929261 RE: Another Quiz Like Question 267596325 John Garganera 1/20/2012 12:24:06 PM Professor: A All of the above Because those are needed to determine risk in a project 268838135 268026689 RE: Another Quiz Like Question 267596325 Dennis Evans Modified:1/18/2012 9:28 PM 1/18/2012 9:15:32 PM The results of the Initiation should include Project Size Project Objectives Tools and Techniques Scales of Probability and Impact All of the above. The answer would be all of the above. They all go hand and hand to the initiation going. 268838135 268026689 RE: Another Quiz Danielle Hite Like Question 1/20/2012 9:08:04 AM I agree Dennis. According to our lecture information these all do go hand-inhand. Having all of this information in the Initiation step sets us up for the next step. Defining these 4 items helps us define our risk. 268220098 RE: Another Quiz Like Question 267596325 Sabino Garza 1/19/2012 9:46:56 AM Answer is All of the above According to the Lecture from week 2: The idea of risk management is to identify and manage risks and reduce their impact on a project. In order to manage risks, we have to know what they are; we have to identify them. But how can we identify them if we don't know what we are trying to accomplish? A risk needs to be looked at in relation to the thing it will impact, so the first step in a risk management process should be identifying what objectives we are trying to accomplish. That is what the Initiation Step of the ATOM process is all about. Many projects start with no clearly defined goals and the idea that we can just define them as we go along. If we don't define the goals, however, we can't measure the risks to those goals. That sets up the project to be more inclined to fail. The Initiation step is based on the idea that the structured risk process starts with identifying the project goals and then what will and will not be within the scope of the project. Once that is defined, the next step is to decide how comprehensive a risk analysis will be done. It makes no sense to do a very in depth risk analysis on a project that will be done in a few days and use very few company resources. That would be a waste of both time and money. The risk analysis should be based on the size of the project, its impact on the company, and based on the project scope, what areas of the objectives we want to analyze for risk. We may want to analyze cost and schedule risks and not those that impact the technical area, or some variation of these, rather than all of them. 268190482,26771 267612460 RE: Another Quiz Like Question 267596325 David Froning 1/18/2012 8:57:35 AM The initiation step should include the Project Objectives. Without knowing the objectives the project has no definition and will have no way to study the risk. 268190482 267612460 RE: Another Quiz Professor Moretti Like Question 1/19/2012 8:42:41 AM Hi David: That is not the correct answer. Try again. OLM 268190734 267710300 267612460 RE: Another Quiz Ryan Stover Like Question 1/18/2012 12:37:06 PM Modified:1/18/2012 12:37 PM Answer is All of the Above. It’s the idea, the plan, the initial concept of what the project is trying to accomplish. That would include first finding your objectives, understanding the size of the project, figuring out the probability and impact, and develop some tools and techniques to help with the planning. It’s like locating a spot to camp while out hiking through Tahoe. First step would look at your surroundings, than figure out how much room you need, and where there is a water source. You do that first and then you start to plan the unpacking of your 30lb pack. Should I get the food out first? Should I get the tent out and up first? Etc. I currently still don’t have my book so I did some research through Google and found some good links that helped me with this question. Source: http://www.cio.ny.gov/pmmp/guidebook2/Initiation.pdf <---Good Source: http://www.projectmanagementtraining.net/book/chapter1.html#initiationphase 268190734 267710300 RE: Another Quiz Professor Moretti Like Question 1/19/2012 8:43:12 AM That is the correct answer. OLM 267931604 INITIATION RESULTS 267596325 Boris Feijoo 1/18/2012 7:15:57 PM The initiation process as per chapter three covers the project sizing and which normally is prepared before the initiation meeting, but in case that the organization does not have one, it will be develop.Also clarification and precise definition of project objectives are cover during the initiation as well as tools and techniques and scales of probability and impact. The correct answer to this question will ALL OF THE ABOVE. 267942231 RE: Another Quiz Like Question 267596325 1/18/2012 7:29:34 PM Isaiah Donaldson Modified:1/18/2012 7:45 PM The correct answer is "A" all of the above. Project Size - Hillson and Simon (2007)This determines the level of risk associated with the project. It also places a level of importance on the project in relation to other projects within the company Project Objectives - Hillson and Simon quality requirements of the project. (2007)This will cover the scope, time cost, and Tools and Techniques - Hillson and Simon (2007)This process is where a standard or modified set os risk tools and techniques are used during the Initiation meeting. The process is discussed, agreed, and documented in the Risk Management Plan. Scales of Probability and Impact - Hillson and Simon (2007)This is an agreed to process where labels are defined and assigned a point value to estimate the impact of an individual risk. Hillson, D., & Simon, P. (2007). Practical project and risk management . Vienna, VA: Management Concepts 267985504 RE: Another Quiz Like Question 267596325 1/18/2012 8:23:34 PM Joseph Allen The primary output of initiation is the Risk Management Plan which includes: Introduction Project description and objectives Aims, scope, and objectives of risk process Application of the ATOM risk management process Risk Tools and Techniques Organizational roles and responsibilities Risks reviews and reporting Project specific definitions of probability and impacts Project specific sources of risk The correct answer would be "All of the above" 268456305,26850 268191432 Hi Class, Situational Question 0 Professor Moretti 1/19/2012 8:44:45 AM You are the risk champion for the identification workshop. How will you get started in organizing the workshop? Thanks, OLM 268456305 RE: Hi Class, Situational Question 268191432 Joshewa Fishwild Giesseman 1/19/2012 5:10:05 PM The first thing a risk champion needs to do is the interdiction. Following the interdiction you will then confirm the project objectives also you need to confirm the scope of the risk process for the workshop. Once the objectives and the scope are confirmed the workshop ground rules need to be stated. I quick briefing, expectations and results and identify risk. Once this is done you will need to rationalize the risks, describe the risks using risk metalanguage then finally you will need to record the identified risks. 268507830 RE: Hi Class, Situational Question 268191432 Thomas Yusavage 1/19/2012 6:20:14 PM The first place to start would be sitting down with the project manager and project sponsor and create a list of attendees. There should be between ten and sixteen members in the workshop, there should be enough work through key points for effective participation and productivity. The risk champion should be able to manage the group during the session. The average workshop is a couple days long and an agenda is drawn up to cover the entire meeting from beginning to end, and this should be handed out before the meeting begins. There should also be prebreifing information passed out to the attendees before which would ind the summary, project charter and the larger threats and opportunities in the project. 268247881 RE: Hi Class, Situational Question 268191432 Jeremy Garretson 1/19/2012 10:43:46 AM The first step would be to contact the project manager and decide who all should be in attendance for the workshop including the stakeeholders.Then proceed to planning the agenda for the meeting and pre-briefing materials should be circulated to prepare the atendees. 270254359 268191432 RE: Hi Class, Situational Question Douglas Cave 1/22/2012 7:41:03 PM The first thing I would do is sit down with all major stakeholders and pm and have a clear defined scope of project. I would then brainstorm with everyone to come up with a list of potential fears or risk to manage properly. I would then create a risk management plan and implement training to make all aware of the plan. 270052946 268191432 RE: Hi Class, Situational Question Christopher Morton 1/22/2012 2:53:32 PM Primarily I would address the key players that should be involved in the workshop, whether through specific department or specific roles within the company or project. This in turn would help establish a baseline in diverse thinking towards risk assessment. I would then establish a reporting process in regards to the risks identified and analysis pertaining to go along with contingencies to counter those risks. 269404980 268191432 RE: Hi Class, Situational Question Daniel Hintz 1/21/2012 11:26:19 AM First I would get a list of stakeholders who would be affected by the risk and who can help with the response plan. Second I would create an agenda for brainstorming the risk and the response. I would also make sure once the risk are identified that the register is completed and that meeting minutes are taken. The minutes would allow for us to pick up where we left off from the previous meeting. 270296193,26899 268798155 Hi Class: 0 Professor Moretti 1/20/2012 7:16:37 AM Can you list the outputs of the risk identification process? Thanks, OLM 270296193 268798155 RE: Hi Class: Brett Lubcke 1/22/2012 8:31:27 PM The output of the risk identification process is a risk register. (http://www.slideshare.net/blairaj/Project-Risk-ManagementPMBOKApex slide 8). A list of the key risks and their likelihoods (http://changingminds.org/disciplines/change_management/4d_change_project/docu ments/risk_register.htm) . 268990246 RE: Hi Class: 268798155 Amber Webb 1/20/2012 2:35:52 PM One of the main outputs from the risk identification process is the entry into the risk register. A list of clearly identified risks will be made, as well as uncertain project assumptions are described. Risks responses are also generated through this process which gives clear and manageable solutions to a unknown or known risk. Causes or where risks come from may also come from the risk identification process. It is part of the process that as risks are identified more risks become known or foreseen, which will even further limit possible set backs for the project at hand. 269596639 268798155 RE: Hi Class: Douglas Cave 1/21/2012 5:36:43 PM The outputs from risk identification are: risks, triggers, and inputs to other processes. A risk is an uncertain event or condition that could have a positive or negative effect on a project objective. Triggers are symptoms or warning sign that indicate that a risk has occurred or is about to occur. The third output from risk identification is inputs to other processes. In the process of identifying risks, you may also identify the need for further action in another area. 269601542 268798155 RE: Hi Class: Dennis Evans 1/21/2012 5:45:14 PM As it states on page 138 our book. Here is a list of outputs of the risk identification process. 1. Confirm scope and objectives of risk process 2. Identify risks using: Assumptions and constraints analysis Standard risk checklist Open discussion / brainstorm (if necessary) 3. Rationalize risks 4. Assess probabilities and impacts, plot P-l matrix 5. Assign risk owners 6. Prioritize risks 7. Determine response strategy and initial actions 8. Record risk data (after meeting) 268811496 268798155 RE: Hi Class: Elizabeth Vorass 1/20/2012 7:59:27 AM According to the PMBOK Guide, identifying risks is the process of determining which risks may affect the project and documenting their characteristics. The main outputs of the risk identification process are contained in the Risk Register and are the outcomes of other risk management processes as they are conducted. This includes a list of identified risks, in detail with their root causes, and sometimes a list of potential responses. The list of potential responses can become useful in the future when determining inputs for planning the Risk Response Process. 268834735 outputs 268798155 Boris Feijoo 1/20/2012 9:00:18 AM According to our text book, in chapter 5 " exposing the challenge(Identification) pages.57 and 64. The identification process produces : - A consolidated agreed list of risk described using metalanguage. ( Main output) - A list of initial responses. The outputs an initial responses are recorded to be used as an inputs in the next process step , The Response planning. 268853529,26885 268798825 Another Quiz Like Question 0 Professor Moretti 1/20/2012 7:19:01 AM The project objectives are defined by: · the project team. · the stakeholders and project manager. · the project manager and project team. · the management team. · The project manager. 268856151 268853529 RE: Another Quiz Like Question 268798825 Boris Feijoo 1/20/2012 9:42:16 AM Our text book makes emphasis that project objectives should be defined and documented before the project start in the project chapter ( pag. 43) ; however, mentions in different parts that key stakeholder must get involve (pag.38,44) and even in the case or no having a defined project objectives, they must be defined at the start of the initiation meeting.(pag 43).and since the project manager must be aware of the context of the whole project and form part of the decision making for the project , I have to say the answer is: The stakeholder and project manager. 268856151 268853529 RE: Another Quiz David Froning Like Question 1/20/2012 9:47:53 AM I would agree that the Stakeholder and the Project manager will define the objectives, and it is the Project Managers job to manage the project to complete the objectives. 268978240,26930 268878307 268798825 RE: Another Quiz Like Question Tymmothy Roy 1/20/2012 10:36:31 AM The stakeholder and project manager would be the correct answer. This questions remind me of the Project+ exam. 269309713 268978240 268878307 RE: Another Quiz Ryan Stover Like Question 1/20/2012 2:09:42 PM I agree, What is "The Stakeholders and Project Manager" Trabeck. Stakeholder Source: http://erc.msh.org/quality/ittools/itstkan.cfm Keyword in that links definition is "influence" and “Conduct a stakeholder analysis in the early stages of planning a quality improvement initiative.” Naturally the Project Manager’s role is to determine the scope as well as the expected deliverables which makes definition of the project. 269309713 268978240 RE: Another Quiz Professor Moretti 1/21/2012 7:33:20 AM Like Question Hy Ryan and All: That is the correct answer. Thanks, OLM 269874161 268878307 RE: Another Quiz Jeremy Garretson Like Question 1/22/2012 8:22:14 AM The stakeholders decide the objects with the project manager because the stakeholders are the ones that have finaces at stake and the project manager is the person that decidedes whether the objectives are obtainable and realistic. 269600939 269150167 268798825 RE: Another Quiz Like Question Joseph Allen 1/20/2012 7:53:25 PM Project objectives should be defined before the project starts and documented in the project charter. In this case the management team would define the objectives of the project, document them identify key stakeholders and assign a project manager. If the objectives are not clearly defined at the start of the project the objective should be clearly identified and agreed on in the initiation meeting which is attended by the key stakeholders and project manager. 269600939 269150167 RE: Another Quiz Isaiah Donaldson Like Question 1/21/2012 5:44:12 PM You are right about project objectives being defined and documented in the project charter. The key phrase to me is documented. I have seen projects where objectives were discussed and agreed to but later in the project the objectives were argued. Some stakeholders grew amnesia and said the objectives were defined another way or never mentioned at all. When projects go wrong the finger pointing will start. Documentation is the key to CYA (cover your a$$). 269187677 268798825 RE: Another Quiz Like Question Dennis Evans 1/20/2012 8:57:33 PM As it states in the book. "Hillson and Simon pg23" If risk is defined as "any uncertainty that , if it occurs, would have a positive or negative effect on achievement of one or more objectives." then clearly the first step in a risk management process is to ensure that the objectives at risk are well defined and understood. 269673473,26985 269229877 RE: Another Quiz Like Question 268798825 Daniel Worcester 1/20/2012 10:19:13 PM The project objectives are defined by the group that initiates the project. In most cases this is going to be the the stakeholders and the project manager. A project is established to meet the expectations of a customer whether the customer is internal or external there would be no project unless someone asked for it. These people are the stakeholders they have the most to gain or loose by with the project thus they set the objectives with what needs to be done. The project manager is in this equations because he knows or should know the limitations of the team. If the stakeholders request too much the project manager can inform them the capabilities of the team they are working with thus the project manager ensures the objectives that are set are within the capabilities of the team. 269673473 269229877 Project assumptions Tyrone Labad 1/21/2012 7:40:08 PM The primary challenge of project management is to achieve all of the project goals and objectives while honoring the preconceived assumptions of risk. Typical constraints to the project include scope time and budget.However there are always other challenges that focus and include the stakeholders ability to optimize the allocation of resources and integrate the inputs necessary to meet pre-defined objectives. 269893234,27003 269856376 269229877 RE: Another Quiz Isaiah Donaldson Like Question 1/22/2012 7:04:03 AM Question, does the customer have any say in defining the overall project objective? I am asking because when we bid on RFPs the overall objective is already set. We as a project team will make a decision on how to achieve that objective. The labor, schedule and materials are part of the objective as well as allocation of all resources especially shared resources. 270030957,27041 269893234 269856376 RE: Another Quiz Professor Moretti Like Question 1/22/2012 9:21:46 AM HI Isaiah: Isn't the customer one of the main stakeholders? There is your answer. Thanks, OLM 270030957 269893234 RE: Another Quiz Ryan Stover Like Question 1/22/2012 2:15:35 PM I believe I answered this is another post related to my Subaru Project. The owner of the shop that is working on my project is the Project Manager and I am the stakeholder. I own the car and finance the project, the project manager oversees the project to make sure follows through as planned. 270417287 269893234 RE: Another Quiz Adriana Garcia Like Question 1/22/2012 11:29:40 PM Yes Professor Moretti, A stakeholder is a customer as well. The customer is who says yes or no at the end of the project. The customer has the money and will make the company profitable no matter what. The customer is the one who tells everyone about the quality and performance. So being the customer is the stakeholder too. 270199613 268798825 RE: Another Quiz Like Question Matthew Voorhees 1/22/2012 6:35:05 PM I would say the stakeholders and project manager. This is because the stakeholders are the ones in the company putting assets on the line to have the project done in the first place, and the project manager is the person chosen to be in charge to assure the success of the project. 270011055 RE: Another Quiz Like Question 268798825 Amber Webb 1/22/2012 1:39:44 PM I would say the answer has to be project manager and stakeholders. This would include all of the major parties who would have input to what the major objectives are. 270033798,27013 269896288 *** Week #3 Summary *** 0 Professor Moretti 1/22/2012 9:30:19 AM Now, let's regroup for a minute on Risk Identification and the WBS. First, remember that not doing a thorough WBS is a high risk in itself! In other words, missing important or critical tasks and work assignments in the early planning of a project can have a major impact on the project. Second, the WBS is a planning process that must be done in concert with the team, key stakeholders, and the client. The WBS not only helps identify the risk, but it generates the schedule and resource assignments as well. You need to include all those who will be affected by the project in doing the WBS. A generic WBS template is a good starting point, and then you can add to the template based on lessons learned in each similar project. This building of the generic WBS is a sort of "organizational learning," a process of building your capacity to define the work better and better each time based on experience. Third, it is difficult to get through these early WBS steps in the real world, and that is why we see more and more project management offices. PMOs help to support project planning and control and provide templates and project review agendas to make sure Project Managers do what they are supposed to do. Good risk management requires support in terms of information systems, best practice, documentation, software proficiency, and moral support. Lastly, several of you are doing projects that are not part of large organizations and therefore you had to build your WBS from scratch. I realize that this raises issues, since you may not have the benefit of past WBS and schedule templates to guide you. However, this can also happen in both large and small corporations depending on the size, complexity, management, etc. 270136019 270033798 RE: *** Week #3 Summary *** 269896288 Ryan Stover 1/22/2012 2:20:34 PM "Lastly, several of you are doing projects that are not part of large organizations and therefore you had to build your WBS from scratch. I realize that this raises issues, since you may not have the benefit of past WBS and schedule templates to guide you. However, this can also happen in both large and small corporations depending on the size, complexity, management, etc." This is where I feel I benefit with my Subaru project since I am at the last week of completion on this project. I have been from the beginning initiation phase to risk analysis, and so on. It really helps you understand what's completely involved in a project. I believe if I never had this project I wouldn't grasp as much as the information you are feeding to us. No experience makes it easy to overlook problems since you never experienced scope creep or a delay in a project. P.S. Don't go out and drop roughly $40,000 to modify a car, stupid project and risk. Great experience but pour investment =). 270136019 270033798 RE: *** Week #3 Summary Tymmothy Roy *** 1/22/2012 5:10:13 PM It sounds like you risk analysis in the beginning was not done properly. Probably a bad monetary invetment but eperience wise you will never have something better than it. _u=7295436;_dt= FD-1D-71-F6-DB-
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