Mike Pasenelli
Capital Area Chapter
PIAA Football Officials
26 August 2010
Review 2 clarifications from the NFHS
 Continue our discussion from last week on
penalty administration
 Review the rules for:
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• Fouls simultaneous with the snap
• Dead ball fouls
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Show that we are familiar with those rules
by answering the quiz questions correctly
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2 clarifications
 Quick review of last week
 Fouls simultaneous with the snap
 Dead ball fouls
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A horse-collar is a live-ball foul, even if the act
was finished out of bounds
I am of the opinion that it would also apply to the
goal line, although it does not explicitly state
that
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If a player, coach or nonplayer is in the restricted zone while the ball is live but
does not contact an official, a warning is issued for the first offense. The second
instance results in a five-yard penalty and the third offense results in a 15-yard
penalty. A fourth offense will result in another 15-yard penalty and
disqualification of the head coach.
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These are separate fouls
We have a Ken Broome in the first quarter
In the second quarter, an assistant is in the
restricted area
• We don’t escalate that beyond our normal steps-we
give the assistant a sideline warning, then we go to the
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2 clarifications
 Quick review of last week
 Fouls simultaneous with the snap
 Dead ball fouls
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We reviewed basic spots and the all-but-one
principle
We also discussed the differences between
running plays and loose-ball plays
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BASIC SPOT
DEFENSIVE FOUL
BEHIND BASIC SPOT
DEFENSIVE FOUL
BEYOND BASIC SPOT
OFFENSIVE FOUL
BEHIND BASIC SPOT
ENFORCED FROM THE SPOT OF THE
FOUL
OFFENSIVE FOUL
BEYOND BASIC SPOT
TEAM A DIRECTION
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2 clarifications
 Quick review of last week
 Fouls simultaneous with the snap
 Dead ball fouls
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There are some fouls that don’t become fouls
until the snap
These fouls also do not have a spot
Example: having only 6 players on the line of
scrimmage
• This is not a foul until the snap-if they have 11 players,
they could shift into a legal formation, or, if they don’t
have 11 players, they could get the 11th player onto the
field
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If Team A commits this foul, there is no place
where the foul occurred that we could refer to as
a spot
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Illegal formation
Illegal numbering
Illegal shift
Illegal motion
“Form the number with shift motion”
The above fouls are always simultaneous with the
snap
Certain types of illegal substitution and illegal
participation are also simultaneous with the
snap, but we’ll cover them in a separate session
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The basic spot for all fouls which occur
simultaneous with the snap is the previous spot
Since there is no “spot of the foul”, we don’t have
any issues with all-but-one: the basic spot and
the enforcement spot are the same thing
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2 clarifications
 Quick review of last week
 Fouls simultaneous with the snap
 Dead ball fouls
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During the game, we have a continual series of
live balls and dead balls
We have to know whether the ball is live or dead
throughout the game
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READY FOR
PLAY
DEAD BALL
SNAP OR
FREE KICK
LIVE BALL
END OF
DOWN
DEAD BALL
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Sometimes, we are just saying that a foul
happened to take place while the ball was dead
For example, a foul such as fighting could take
place while the ball was live or while it was dead
Others, such as a late hit, by definition occur
after the ball is dead
There are certain dead ball fouls that kill all
action and cause the ball to remain dead
Those fouls can only take place during a dead
ball interval
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False start
Snap infraction
Delay of game
Free kick infraction
Encroachment
“False snaps delay free kick encroachments”
There are certain types of substitution and
participation that also keep the ball dead, but
we’ll go over those at a later time
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Are never part of double or multiple fouls
• Per 10-2-5, they are administered separately and in
their order of occurrence
• However, if we don’t know the order in which they
occurred, or they occurred simultaneously against both
teams, we cancel them, per 9.4.1A and 10.2.5B
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Enforcement of penalties for dead ball fouls is
separate from the enforcement of any live ball
fouls or other dead ball fouls, per 10-1-3 and
10-1-4
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The basic spot for a dead ball foul is the
succeeding spot
• The spot where the ball will next be put into play, either
by a snap or a free kick, per 2-41-10
• The down is not replayed as a result of a dead ball foul
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In many cases, the succeeding spot is
simply the dead ball spot, but it can be
different if the ball has been relocated by a
penalty
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A 3/10 @ A-30. A1 runs to the A-40 where he is
down. During the run, B2 commits a 5-yard face
mask foul, and after the down is over, A3
commits a late hit.
RULING: We enforce the face mask penalty at the
end of the run, moving the ball from the A-40 to
the A-45. A has now gained a first down. Then
we enforce the dead ball foul, moving A from the
A-45 to the A-30. A 1/10 @ A-30.
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A 1/10 @ B-45. A1 is illegally in motion at the
snap. A2 runs for a 10 yard gain to the B-35.
After the ball is dead, A3 and A4 both commit
personal fouls.
RULING: All 3 penalties will be enforced. The
penalty for the illegal motion moves the ball to
the 50. The penalty for the 1st dead ball foul
places the ball back at the A-35, then the 2nd
dead ball foul moves the ball back to the A-20.
A 1/45 @ A-20.
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A 2/7 @ A-45. A1’s run gains 3 yard to the A-48
where he is down. After the play is over, A2
commits a personal foul and then B3 commits a
late hit.
RULING: Team A’s penalty takes the ball from the
A-48 to the A-33; then B’s penalty take returns
the ball to the A-48. A 3 /4 @ A-48.
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A 2/7 @ A-45. A1’s run gains 3 yard to the A-48
where he is down. After the play is over, B3
commits a late hit and then A2 commits a
personal foul.
RULING: Enforce the penalties for both fouls in
order of occurrence. Team B’s penalty takes the
ball from the A-48 to the B-37, yielding a new
series since it leave A beyond the line-to-gain
after enforcement. Then, A’s penalty moves the
ball back to the A-48. A 1/10 @ A-48.
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If any interim succeeding spot, such as in the
previous examples, is beyond the line-to-gain, a
new series is awarded to A, per 5-2-5b
• That will be most likely to occur when B’s foul is
enforced first
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A 3/10 @ B-40. A1 runs to the B-35 where he is
down. After the ball is dead:
• a. B2 unnecessarily knocks down A3 and A4 retaliates with a
hard shove;
• b. A2 unnecessarily knocks down B3 and B4 retaliates with a
hard shove.
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RULING: In a, the penalty for B2’s foul is first
enforced to the B-20 where A is awarded a 1st down.
The penalty for A4’s foul is then enforced back to
the B-35, A 1/10 @ B-35.
In b, the penalty for A2’s foul is first enforced back
to the 50. The penalty for B’s foul returns the ball to
the B-35, A 4/5 @ B-35.
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With the ball on B’s 2-yard line and between downs,
a fight starts between A1 and B1. The officials do not
know which player struck the first blow.
RULING: Disqualify both A1 and B1 and signal
personal fouls against each team, but do not enforce
any yardage penalty. In this situation, because it is
impossible to enforce the dead-ball foul penalties in
the order in which the fouls occurred, an arbitrary
choice of one of them would lead to inequities due to
the half-the-distance provision in penalty
enforcement. (2-11; 10-2-5)
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A varsity game ends in a tie. Immediately following the final whistle, there is
a fight between A1 and B1 and:
(a) none of the officials observed which player actually struck the first blow;
or
(b) A1 struck B1 who retaliated; or
(c) B1 first struck A1 who retaliated.
In (a), (b) and (c), A wins the toss and elects to go on defense first.
RULING: In (a), (b) and (c), A1 and B1 will be disqualified for fighting and
they may not participate in the overtime.
In (a), because it was not possible to determine which player started the
fight, there will be no penalty measurement.
In (b), the fouls will be penalized in the order of occurrence with the penalty
against A being half the distance to the goal line. From there, B will be
penalized 15 yards and will put the ball in play, first and goal, from the 20yard line.
In (c), because B was first to foul, it will be penalized back to the 25 and
from there the penalty for the foul by A measured half the distance to the
goal. B will put the ball in play, first and goal, from the 12½. (2-11; 10-4-4)
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A 3/1 @ A-10. B1 tackles A1 with a hard legal tackle at the line of
scrimmage. A1, feeling the tackle was unjustly harsh, jumps to his
feet and attacks B1, delivering blows with his fist. In response, B1
directs a profanity toward A1.
RULING: Since the acts that were flagged did not occur
simultaneously and one was in response to the other, the penalties
shall be administered in the order that they occurred. Consequently,
A would be penalized half the distance to the goal (5-yard line). B
would then be penalized 15 yards. A1 shall be disqualified for
fighting; B1 would remain in the game unless the officials
determined his reaction was flagrant. It’s A 1/10 @ A-20. (2-11; 98-1 Penalty; 10-3-4)
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Non-player and unsportsmanlike fouls, even
though they may occur while the ball is live, are
treated as dead ball fouls.
Penalties for these fouls are enforced in the order
of their occurrence, regardless of any other fouls
by either team, and they do not affect the result
of the play during which they occur
Thus, for the purposes of penalty enforcement,
they are treated as if they had taken place while
the ball was dead and are always penalized from
the succeeding spot.
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If a USC foul occurs during a scoring play, the
score counts:
• A runner who has outdistanced his opposition and
taunts his pursuers just before he crosses the goal line
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This is a live ball USC foul, but it is treated as if it
happened while the the ball was dead: the
touchdown counts and the penalty is enforced on
the try or the succeeding kickoff.
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Penalty Enforcement on Scoring Play
Rules 8-2-2, 8-2-3, 8-2-4, 8-2-5, 10-5-1f
Penalty Enforcement on Scoring Play
Rules 8-2-2, 8-2-3, 8-2-4, 8-2-5, 10-5-1f
Penalty Enforcement on Scoring Play
Rules 8-2-2, 8-2-3, 8-2-4, 8-2-5, 10-5-1f
Review 2 clarifications from the NFHS
 Continue our discussion from last week on
penalty administration
 Review the rules for:

• Fouls simultaneous with the snap
• Dead ball fouls

Show that we are familiar with those rules
by answering the quiz questions correctly
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