Missed Triggers II
Return of the Forgotten Ones
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt
By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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What is a Missed Trigger?
• Triggered Ability has to trigger
• Controlling player “forgets” it
Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt
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Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt
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When is a Trigger Forgotten?
•Target required
•Change in visible game state
•Choice required
•Rule-changing
•Non-visible effect
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What is not a Missed Trigger?
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Trigger resolved partially or incorrectly
Game got rushed past the Trigger
Trigger that makes delayed trigger
Trigger that makes copies
Trigger without impact
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Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt
By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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What has changed?
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Missed delayed triggers
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Remedy
Still depends on the situation
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Possible Situations
1. Optional action
• You may
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Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt
By Bemindt Jona – 24th November 2013
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Optional action
• As a Player: try to remember next time
• As an Opponent: nothing
• As a Judge: nothing
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Possible Situations
2. Mandatory Action
• Usually beneficial
• Usually detrimental
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Beneficial mandatory trigger
•As a Player: try to remember next time
•As an Opponent: you can call a Judge
•As a Judge: •Only if asked by Opponent
•Put ability in proper place, or
on bottom of stack
•No Warnings
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Detrimental mandatory trigger
•As a Player: try to remember next time
•As an Opponent: you can call a Judge
•As a Judge: •Issue a Warning
•Put ability in proper place, or
on bottom of stack if asked
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Possible Situations
3. Default action
• If you don’t.../...unless
• Associated with choice made by controller
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Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt
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Default action
•As a Player: try to remember next time
•As an Opponent: you can call a Judge
•As a Judge: •Issue a Warning
•Always resolve default action (2
possibilities)
•Everything still legal?
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Possible Situations
4. Delayed Trigger
• Changes zone of an object
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Seminar on Missed Triggers – 3rd Annual BeNeLux Judge Conference – Overpelt
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Default action
•As a Player: try to remember next time
•As an Opponent: you can call a Judge
•As a Judge: •Issue a Warning?
•Always resolve default action (2
possibilities)
•Everything still legal?
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Possible Situations
5. You don’t want to
•An ability you control triggers
•You know about the trigger
•You choose to ignore it
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You don’t want to
•No longer a Missed Trigger
•Unsporting Conduct - Cheating
•Handle it as such
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What about the opponent?
•Is never issued a Warning
•Can call a Judge: •Duration of the effect has
not yet expired
OR
•Trigger was missed less than
a turn ago
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Recapitulation
•Warnings for unintentionally missed
detrimental trigger
•Only intervene if: •Called by the Opponent
•You want to issue a Warning
•You suspect Shenanigans
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Philosophical Grounds
•Common and invisible
•Remember your own triggers
•Don’t have to play the game for your Opponent
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Adventure Time!
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Adventure I
•Neville controls a Battlewise Hoplite
•Albus attacks with a Nessian Asp
•Neville casts Savage Surge on the Hoplite
•Neville scries and puts the card on the bottom
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Adventure I
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Adventure I
•Both players are now tapped out
•Neville blocks with the Hoplite
•Albus says: “ok, so the Hoplite dies”
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Adventure I
•Do you interfere?
•Infraction?
•Ruling?
•Penalties?
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Adventure II
•Aragog controls a Desecration Demon
•Nagini has no creatures, but 4 land untapped
•Aragog says: “declare attack?”
•Nagini says: “sure!”
•Aragog attacks with the Demon
•Nagini calls the Judge
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Adventure II
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Adventure II
•Infraction?
•Ruling?
•Penalties?
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Adventure III
•In Narcissa’s last turn, she casted Akroan Horse
an gave it to Arabella
•Arabella untaps, and draws a card
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Adventure III
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Adventure III
•Do you interfere?
•Infraction?
•Ruling?
•Penalties?
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Questions?
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