THE CIVIL WAR AND RECONSTRUCTION - 1865-1890 THE POSTWAR SOUTHERN ECONOMY 6.4: ORIGINS OF SHARECROPPING This whole question of whether facilities should be separate or not was murky and debated in Reconstruction, state by state, community by community. The early Presidential Reconstruction governments had begun to build facilities for whites. They said, forget about blacks. The federal government freed them, they got to take care of them. But they began to build hospitals, or asylums, or even schools, like in North Carolina, they actually began building a public school system for whites immediately after the Civil War. Then the Freedmen's Bureau ordered them to allow blacks into the school system, even if it meant setting up schools, separate schools, for blacks. So if you're going to have public schools, they've got to have them for both. Whereupon (this is 1866) North Carolina abolished its public school system. They would rather leave white people uneducated than pay taxpayers' money to set up schools for blacks. This shows you the mentality coming out of slavery. But generally speaking, these public institutions were separated in some way during Reconstruction. And even in jails, the inmates tended to be separated. Even in the South Carolina Institute for the Blind, where people could not see race, [laughter] they were still separated from each other into different wings of the building. So as I say, the reason for this, as I say, is simply most African Americans felt that it was -- what they were getting was public facilities for the first time. They were being recognized as part of the body politic, the citizenry, which they hadn't been. So the issue of segregation or integration was really not nearly as important in 1867, '68 as it would become, you know, later on and in the 20th century. In terms of teaching at schools, another factor is that black parents wanted black teachers for their children. And they knew that whites would never send their kids to school to be taught by a black teacher. And so if you wanted black teachers, you had to have separate schools; that was the only way they would ever survive. I should say that all this relates to a kind of larger question, also murky, which -- a sort of difference in emphasis, you might say, between my work on this and another very, very important book, which came out about ten years ago, on Reconstruction, by Steven Hahn, called "A Nation Under Our Feet," which won the Pulitzer Prize back in 2003 or '04. The title of Hahn's book, "A Nation Under Our Feet," gives you the argument, in a certain sense. His argument is African Americans thought of themselves as a separate nationality. They did not think of themselves as purely American citizens. Even thought they talked about equal rights, it was sort of group self-determination that was more important to them. And he sets himself up (he's a good friend of mine and a very good scholar) he sets himself up against my book, which emphases more the desire for inclusion in the body politic, even though, with separate institutions like churches, but that in political issues I saw more of this emphasis on inclusion. Who's right, who's wrong? Well, I'm right, of course. [laughter] They're both important books, and Hahn's book is very important. But you know, in all these issues you have these currents floating around of how much separation, how much integration. There's no single answer to that. But these issues are debated. And the Reconstruction governments are trying to deal with them and satisfy black constituents, without totally alienating the white population of the South, which is the majority in most Southern states. Now another area, of course, these governments Page 1 of 11 had to deal with, maybe the basic area, was the economic plight of the South. Now, there was a lot of destruction in the Civil War, as we all know. Sherman, all this stuff. But an agricultural society can rebound quickly from destruction. The land is not destroyed, you know. It's not like factories you have to rebuild. The land is still there. You need to maybe build new fences. A lot of animals, livestock, etc., were killed in the war or taken by the army. There's a lot of rebuilding to be done, but it's possible to get going again. But the question is how to do that. Now, African Americans still wanted land. That 40 acres and a mule was still out there as a political issue. But no state -- Congress had made it clear they were not distributing land. But states can have all sorts of policies about land. But very few of them addressed this question directly. The one exception was, actually, South Carolina, which set up a state land commission, which would purchase land on the open market. And the value, the price of land had fallen enormously, so it was possible to purchase land if you had money in significant amounts. The state would acquire land for the state, not give it away but sell it to, well, anybody who wanted it, but mostly black families in South Carolina. Sell it on very long-term bases with very low interest rates, easy payments, in other words, try to encourage -- use the power of the government to gather up land and then settle black families on it. And by the end of Reconstruction, something like 10% of the African American families had land (in South Carolina) land of their own, thanks to the South Carolina Land Commission. Whether 10% is a lot or a little, you can figure out for yourself, but it's certainly more than zero, although it's not everybody, by any means. As I mentioned last time, there were other measures to try to assist, you might say, or stand behind these agricultural laborers, but also these small farmers. There were these "stay" measures, that is, measures suspending the collection of debts. This tended to benefit more people who owned land, rather than -most blacks didn't have debts; they had nothing, you know. But no one's going to loan them money. So this benefited small farmers, maybe even planters, in some states. There were these homestead provisions I mentioned last time, whereby a certain amount of your property was exempt from seizure for debt. So even if you sort of went bankrupt, you could still hang on to your home and some small amount of land. How did these affect the mass of African Americans? It's not 100% clear. We know that land distribution failed. And what takes its place is the rise of a system that we call sharecropping, right? Sharecropping. As the name suggests -- there are all sorts of variations within it, but sharecropping is basically that the employee works the land certain portion of land, for the year, and at the end of the year, the crop is gathered and they share the crop with the owner. The owner has land but needs labor. The laborers want land but can't get it and need to work. Sharecropping is a compromise. By the way, sharecropping is a system that exists all over the world in one form or another. Some places it works in a perfectly rational way, or successful way, sometimes it doesn't. It didn't work very well in the South in the long period after the Civil War, not just a few years, for reasons we will explain in a second. Sharecropping was a compromise between the white need for labor and the black desire for as much economic autonomy as you could get under the circumstance. For example, it's not like slavery in that, putting aside that you're not a slave, there's no overseer telling you what to do, you're not working in a gang with other people. They're working in family units. Each family has a plot of land, which they rent from the owner. They basically farm it as they see fit. There's nobody there day-to-day, telling them what to do, as under slavery. So there's more day-to-day autonomy. How they allocate their labor becomes a question for the family to decide. Nobody's telling you, go out in the fields at six in the morning, whether you want to or not. Nobody's telling you, your Page 2 of 11 child has to go to work in the fields rather than go to the school down the road. So it does, despite the economic inequality of it, it does give these laborers more autonomy than certainly they had under slavery. Moreover, it's a reflection of the fact that there's no money in the South. You can't really pay wages to people for working, because there's no money. The Southern economy is bust, basically. The financial system is bust. The planters didn't have enough money to pay wages to people. That's why you share the crop. The valuable thing is the crop at the end of the year. Now there were many different variations in this. How they divide the crop depends on things like who provides the seed and the fertilizer. The more the landowner provides to the sharecropper, the more of the crop he gets at the end of the year. In the Gienapp book, there's a sharecropping contract, which sort of explains a little bit how this works. And one important fact, though, is that there is this serious legal distinction, which may not seem like much at the beginning, as to whether the sharecropper (the farmer, the farm family) are wage earners or renters. Are they working as employees of the owner? Or are they working as renters? Because then the question is, it basically boils down to: who gets the first crack at the crop when the year is over? Because both of them may be in debt. They have creditors. If you're a wage earner, the crop belongs to the planter and the planter gives you your share out of that. If you're a renter, the crop belongs to you, and you give the planter his share as rent. What difference does that make? Well, what if the planter owes money to other people? What if he borrowed money from a bank? What if he borrowed money from a, you know, a merchant? There's a lot of people who he's beholden to at the end of the year, and the tenant may not be first in line. In other words, if it belongs to the planter, the merchant may take their part first, the bank may take their part first. There may not be anything left for the sharecropper when the planter's debts are satisfied. So that's a not good situation. On the other hand if you're a renter, you have the crop, and it doesn't matter what the planter's debts are. You pay the planter out of your crops. So this may be obscure, but it's very important. Under Reconstruction, the law basically described the sharecropper as a renter. It shifted the balance of power. Even though it's an unequal situation, they try to shift the balance of power toward the sharecropper to protect his right to that part of the crop at the end of the year. Again, as soon as Reconstruction ends, the so-called redeemers change the law and they define the sharecropper as a wage earner with no claim to the crop at all until the planter gives you his share, and he may not have a share when the whole thing is over. So it's a very important, somewhat obscure but very important legal point as to how people actually experience this. 6.5: THE CROP LIEN AND ITS CONSEQUENCES Now, the rise of sharecropping led to real radical changes in Southern life in the rural areas, in some ways. This is in my book, but it's a, a very famous image of the Barrow Plantation in Georgia before and after the Civil War. Okay, on the left, Barrow Plantation before the Civil War, on the right, 1880 or something like that. Before the Civil War, the slaves are all living in one little community at the center. There's the sort of big house up here, and then there's the slave community. They're all living in slave cabins in one little centralized place of the plantation. Look at what it looks like in 1880. They are scattered, these families are now scattered over the length and breadth of the plantation. Each family has its own little plot of land, which it is tilling. Page 3 of 11 The slave community has been broken up into these family farms. They were all pretty close to each other, they're not totally isolated. But they are separate, they're more separated out than they were during the slavery days. And you can't see it on here, but there is a school there now on the plantation, which you wouldn't have had, and there's a church. They've also built their own church. If you look in the book, you'll see they're on there with a little label. So this is, this shows you how just the physical setup of community has changed because of the rise of sharecropping here. Now by the way, sharecropping, on the face of it, is not an unreasonable arrangement, given the existence of a large group of landless laborers, and a group of people owning the land, but without much cash and needing labor. But what makes it pernicious is its connection to the credit system of the South, what we call the crop lien, L-I-E-N. Crop lien. Not "lean in," like what's-her-name. Lien, the crop lien. What is a lien? The lien is a debt, or that is to say, is a claim. Someone puts a lien, if you owe someone money, they can put a lien on your property in order to make sure they get paid, right? So if you own a house, but your credit card bills are going too high and you can't pay them, the bank may put a lien on your house to... Oh, by the way, the government does this. The IRS is always putting liens on people's property to get their money. So farmers always need credit, right? By definition -- they don't get their money until the end of the year, right? Their crop is harvested, they sell it, they get their money. But how are they going to live through the year? They have to borrow money. Farmers are always borrowing money. You need collateral, right? What are you promising the guy you're borrowing this money from? In the North and the West, the basic collateral is the land, right? A mortgage. A farmer takes out a loan from the bank, with his land as the collateral. And if he can't pay, as sometimes happens, the bank will seize his land. But in the South, land has dropped in value enormously. And moreover, there are no banks. They're all bust from the war. The people with money are merchants, local merchants. They're the ones who you borrow money from. What do they want? They don't want your land, they want the crop, they want that cotton crop, that's the most valuable thing in the South, is cotton, after the war, because the price is still pretty high. So this is what they call the crop lien. In order to get money, in order to borrow money, you've got to pledge a share of your future crop. That's why this business of who gets it first is -- the planter is borrowing money with the crop as his collateral. The farmer, the sharecropper, is going to a merchant, borrowing money. He needs equipment, he needs food for his family, he needs seed or whatever it is, clothing. What is he pledging? His share of the crop. It's these country stores where the credit system is centered. Here's a very rare photo of a country store in the South. This is a rural area, there's a bridge going over a stream, and this is a country store out in the left. The South is full of these little stores, scattered around the countryside, run by merchants who are loaning money to planters and sharecroppers. They're getting their money from the North. That's where the money is. They're getting credit from the North and they're distributing it around. And they're pledged a share of the crop as collateral. So, what is the result of this? First of all, it means you've got to grow cotton, right? You've got to grow cotton. You go to the merchant and say, hey, I'd like to borrow some money, I'm growing some food for my family, they say, no, we're not interested in that. We're not giving you any money on the basis of some cabbage or something. No. You grow cotton, I'll loan you the money. You grow anything else, forget it. This means that, unlike other places that abolish slavery, cotton production in the South by the 1870s is back to its pre-war level. Back to its pre-war level. In the West Indies, sugar production fell dramatically after the end of slavery. Coffee production fell after the end of slavery. But in the U.S., cotton Page 4 of 11 revives, partly because there's a high price in the market, and mostly, though, because of this crop lien. The credit system is pushing people to grow cotton, whether they want to or not. So, as I say, more cotton, more cotton. Well, what's the result of that? What happens if there's more and more cotton being grown? The price of cotton keeps falling. For 30 years after the Civil War, the price of cotton descends. Overproduction of cotton, not only in the South, but around the world. So it becomes harder and harder to make ends meet if you're growing cotton, right? By the 1930s, in the Great Depression, the New Deal will devise a plan to pay people not to grow cotton. The only way to bolster up the price is to reduce the amount grown. But no single person can do that. If I'm a small farmer, I say, well, I'm not growing cotton, that's going to push up the price. No, there's no effect. You got to get everyone to do that. You got to get everyone to stop growing cotton, or to reduce cotton, if you want to affect the price. Only the government can do that; individual choice is not going to affect the price of cotton. So, the crop lien system pushes the South even further into this one-crop mold, which is a disaster for economic growth, long, long after the end of Reconstruction. Here's an important point therefore: land is not the only scarce resource. If African Americans had been given 40 acres and a mule, they would have been better off, but they still would have been entrapped by this credit system. Credit is just as important to a farmer as land. And the credit system which existed was terribly deleterious to white farmers as well as black. 6.6: ECONOMIC RECONSTRUCTION, BLACK AND WHITE An important thing to mention about sharecropping is it was not a racial system. It was for both white and black farmers. In fact, every census from 1880 to 1940 showed there were more white than black sharecroppers in the South. Now, the percentage among blacks was much higher than among whites, but there was still -- this is a system which is spreading throughout the South, and one of the major changes in Southern life after the war is that whites start growing cotton, because that's the only way they can get credit. Before the war, white people didn't grow cotton, except in a few upcountry parts of South Carolina. It was the plantations that grew cotton. White farmers grew food for themselves, raised hogs, that kind of thing. Now, the white farmer is trapped into this system just like -- but they're coming from different directions. The blacks are moving up from slavery into sharecropping. More and more white farmers are falling down from owning their own land. When they're in debt, they lose their land, they fall into this position of tenant farmers beholden to merchants. Eventually, by the 1890s, as we will see in a week or so, you get this agricultural uprising in the South, the populist movement among small farmers who are desperate to change the credit system so that they can try to get back on their feet. And this system is also compounded by fraud, by cheating, by very high interest rates. You see in the Gienapp book a little bit about, you know, at the end of the year when they settle up with the merchant or the planter, there's all these charges against the sharecropper. Some of them are legitimate, some of them aren't This was another reason you better be literate, because they're going to present you with a list. Yeah, look here in March, you borrowed this much and in May, you borrowed this much and here it all adds up, and by the way, you still owe me money. I'm taking your whole crop, it's worth this much. You're still in debt. So next year, you got to keep the cycle of borrowing money to grow cotton. You'll never get out of debt. Sharecropping is not a ladder to prosperity or independence, it is a trap, which Page 5 of 11 people fall further and further into because of the way the credit system operates, the way the world market for cotton operates, etc. And the sharecropping and crop lien system, as I say, lasts all the way to the 1930s when it is destroyed, basically, by the Great Depression, by the AAA, Agricultural Adjustment Act, which I just mentioned, by massive African-American migration off the land, and eventually by the mechanization of cotton picking, which is something that comes quite late, and then they don't need so much labor. Is there anything Reconstruction governments could have done to alleviate this situation? Difficult to say. Short of massive land distribution, probably not. Just maybe short of setting up a state-organized credit system where the government will -eventually, that's what the populists say: the government should loan us money, get out of this whole system of merchants. But that doesn't come and it only comes well into the 20th century, by which time small farmers have been mostly wiped out anyway. But in other ways, they do try to at least alleviate some of the problems of these small farmers, both white and black. One of the ways is, again, going back to the lien laws, lien laws. As I say, the planter owes money to a lot of people. Who gets the first crack? Laws tell you who gets the first crack, who has the first lien, the second lien, the third lien. These governments passed laws, what they call "laborer's lien," in other words, that the first person to get paid will be the worker, will be the sharecropper. The merchant has to wait. The banker, if there is one, has to wait. The first person who gets paid, the laborer's lien, at least to try to protect the sharecropper from having everything lost at the end of the year. Again, when Reconstruction ends, those laws are changed, the merchant gets the first lien. The laborer is pushed way down the list and so often doesn't get anything. So in a sense, what's happening in Reconstruction, you know, one historian wrote that in Reconstruction, "Republicans undertook to promote political equality in a society characterized by equality in...nothing else," which is probably fair enough. Political equality. Civil equality. But economically, nothing remotely resembling equality. Reconstruction didn't fundamentally alter the balance of power on the land. But it did allow blacks to use political power to try to, in some ways, combat their economic weakness through these lien laws and laws about tenancy and everything. And a kind of, almost a kind of class stalemate develops in Reconstruction, where the whites have the land, but the blacks have political power in a lot of areas and try to use that to balance off. The stalemate is broken by the end of Reconstruction, and after that, the whole power balance swings almost completely to the planter and merchant, with the sharecropper just completely out in the cold. So certainly, the economic revolution does not go forward nearly as strongly as the political revolution of Reconstruction. 6.7: THE PROBLEM OF CORRUPTION Now, there's one other aspect of the Reconstruction governments that, of course, got a lot of attention at the time, and among historians, and that is political corruption. This was the main argument against Reconstruction, eventually, that these governments were corrupt, they spent too much money. And the reason was black suffrage. In other words, black suffrage created governments that were utterly irresponsible and, you know, travesties, etc., of good government. What is corruption? See, that's an interesting question. How do you define corruption? Corruption is taking a bribe to do something, a government official taking a bribe. That's pretty clearly corrupt. What about taking money from some rich person for your campaign and promising to do something in office? Is that corruption? That's the way things work now, right? I mean, Page 6 of 11 the Supreme Court has actually been greatly encouraging this by taking away all the limits on individual, you know, campaign donations. Just a few weeks ago, a whole bunch of aspiring presidential candidates went out to Las Vegas. Why did they go to Las Vegas? They like a good show, you know, floor show, gambling. No. That's not why they went. They went to literally sit at the feet of Sheldon Adelman or Adelson, right, Adelson, who is a wealthy donor. He's just a rich guy who donates a lot of money to campaigns and he's got one issue. His issue is, he runs casinos, and his issue is stopping online gambling. So all these political figures like Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a pretty upstanding fellow, and others, trekked out there to assure Adelson that they were, suddenly, they realized how terrible online gambling was. He had never said a word about it in his life (I mean Graham). And I'm not picking him out. People do this in all areas of politics. And in order to get that guy's money, they have to promise him they're going to take care of the issue that's so important to him. And he puts a lot of money into campaigns. Now is that corruption? Yeah, I think that's corruption, but it's not really seen that way. Sometimes people see corruption as a kind of Robin Hood operation. In other words, that's the way these political machines operated in the 19th century, the Tweed ring in New York and everything. They kind of skimmed off money from businesses. They kept a lot for themselves. You know, Robin Hood didn't put most of it in his pocket; these guys did. But some of it they distributed to poor constituents, people who needed a job. Kind of a miniature welfare system created by the political machine, paid for by money skimmed off from, you know, building contracts and things like that. So you know, that's another kind of corruption. Sometimes corruption plays a positive role in getting government to do things. Generally, reformers tend to be middle class who are just outraged by the spectacle of corruption, or business -- it's generally businesses who -- because they're paying, you know. They're the ones who are paying for this. If you wanted to import something into New York's harbor, a great harbor in the 19th century, you had to pay the customs collector something, because there were so many regulations, so many rules, you could always be caught out on some little violation, you know, and have to pay a fine. It's much easier to just put some money in the guy's pocket and not be bothered by them. But business doesn't like that. So every once in a while, they reform, enterprise kicks up to try to get rid of the machines. They do kick out the machines. And then people get fed up with the reformers, and the machines always come back in, because the reformers aren't giving out turkeys at Christmas, you know, so why vote for them? So what about the Reconstruction regimes? What is corrupt about them? Well, the main complaint was actually expenditure. They were spending a lot more money than the previous governments, for obvious reasons. The size of the citizenry had doubled, basically. The government was doing far more than it had. Schools, for example, cost a lot of money to build. If you're not going to have any schools, government can be pretty cheap. How do you pay for these things? Well, through taxation, obviously. So taxes rose. Taxes in Reconstruction were much higher than they had been. And moreover, their incidence fell in different ways. Now taxes were based on property (that's the way it was in the North), landed property. Remember, I had said before the Civil War, the main tax in the South was not on land, it was on slaves, and on kind of licenses and professions. Small farmers didn't pay much tax at all, even if they owned their own land. Planters didn't pay much on their land, either. They paid for their slaves, but they could engross large amounts of land without paying any tax on it. Now you get this general property tax on land, which means a considerable increase for both large and small, mostly white, obviously, land owners. Blacks who don't own property are not paying the property tax. In Presidential Reconstruction, these governments had tried to finance themselves through poll taxes. Page 7 of 11 What is a poll tax? Poll tax has nothing to do with voting, necessarily, (eventually it will) but a poll tax is a tax on you as an individual. Every person has to pay the poll tax -and the same, the rich guy, the poor guy. It's a way of taxing people who don't have any money. Tax the individual. Right? It's totally regressive. The millionaire and the pauper pay the same poll tax. They're very unpopular. It was the poll tax that actually undermined the government of Margaret Thatcher in England in the late 1980s. She was very popular and then she decided to introduce this poll tax in England, where every person in England would pay the same individual tax, and people just thought that was wrong. So that's how they try to finance it in Presidential Reconstruction. When Radical Reconstruction comes in, they get rid of these poll taxes and put in the general property tax. And that is seen as a terrible thing, even though the money was needed by these governments. Well, they also had to borrow money. They went in to state debt, and that's also seen as profligacy. But the main source of corruption involved railroad building. When these governments decided they could not just redistribute property, they took the path that, what we've got to do is promote economic growth. If we can promote economic growth and economic diversification, then everybody will benefit. And poorer people will benefit. They'll have more job opportunities, more choice in what they do. So the way to do that is to get railroad construction to open up areas, promote factory development. The government starts giving out aid to railroad promoters, factory... But this is done nowadays. I mean, I sit there trying to watch the Yankees, and every other inning, there's an ad with Governor Cuomo saying, come to New York, set up your business, you don't have to pay any taxes. That's good. But who's paying the taxes then, you know? We are. I'm sure those guys, if a fire develops, expect a fire company to come and put it out. Right? But they're not paying taxes for that. But anyway, you give tax breaks to encourage economic development. So that's what they're doing in Reconstruction, or they give direct aid to businesses. And a lot of these businesses turn out to be corrupt, particularly with railroads. Railroad development is particularly rife with this, because you generally only need one railroad between two places. You don't need to build two railroad lines between Columbia and Charleston, for example. So you need one railroad line, and so it's very lucrative. So these railroad promoters start bribing members of the legislature, bribing members of the government, to get the right, to get the charter, so to speak, to build railroads. Many of them are sort of fly-by-night operators because, as I said last time, the real upstanding, you know, prominent, businesspeople in the North are investing in railroads in the West. They're investing in mining in the West. They're investing in factories in the West. They're not investing in the South at this period. So it's speculators and marginal people who are coming in, taking advantage of some of these governments, etc. Now the worst (I hate to say this, for those who are from this state) but the worst corruption was in Louisiana, which has a long reputation -- it has a reputation for being corrupt, let me just put it that way. I think more of their governors have ended up in jail than any other state. Joe Gray Taylor, a Louisianan, born and bred, native of Louisiana, professor at McNeese State in Louisiana, passed away a while ago, in his history of Reconstruction in Louisiana, he says, "Louisiana state government was corrupt before Reconstruction. It was corrupt afterwards. It was corrupt when Republicans were in power. It was corrupt when Democrats were in power. It is always corrupt." I'm sorry, that's a Louisianan, so don't blame me. And there was plenty of corruption in Louisiana Reconstruction, in terms of skimming off money from public projects and that sort of thing. But it was hardly new. And by the way, many Democrats filled their pockets, just like Republicans did. One of the reasons for this, well, there were two basic reasons. One was, a lot of money was flowing through the government for the first time, far more than before the war, right? Page 8 of 11 There's a lot of money coming in, and a lot of money going out, and there's a tendency for some of that to stick to the fingers of people in power. But maybe even more important, most of the Reconstruction officials, apart from the very top, were very poor people, or of modest income, and they needed to make a living out of being in office. Once they got out, they did not have business connections. They often suffered ostracism. For example, Jefferson Long, the first black congressman from Georgia, was a freeman, a master tailor, before the Civil War, and he was making clothing for a lot of white patrons. When he got involved in Reconstruction politics, they all completely stopped patronizing him. His business was destroyed. Black people couldn't support his fancy tailoring business. So he had to make a living in politics. He had to make a living from the salary as a politician, member of congress, and also gather up as much money as he could, because he knew: when you're out of office, you're going to be in big trouble if you have been in Reconstruction. So all these things -- The main point, though, is not to say, as some historians, well, there wasn't that much corruption. There was. But corruption was endemic in this period. We will see next time, the Grant administration in Washington was rife with corruption. The Tweed ring in New York. I'm a New York patriot. We are superior. We have better and more corruption. The Tweed ring was stealing a lot more money than anything in the South. We were number one. [laughter] So my main point is, it was not black suffrage that was the cause of corruption. It is not to say there was no corruption. But the explanation that you had to get rid of Reconstruction in order to stop corruption was not a logical argument. But let me just finish with one little episode of corruption that I noticed when I was doing my research a long time ago. This was a letter by John Bryant, a carpetbagger from the North who became superintendent of education in Georgia. And he writes, he says in this letter to someone in the North, you know, "Republican leaders," he said, "are not situated in the South as they are in the North. In the North a Republican leader may successfully engage in any business. It does not injure the business of the lawyer, the merchant, the manufacturer, or the laborer to take an active part in the Republican Party. In the South it is the opposite. Therefore, the men who do the most for the Republican Party must be assisted by the government." Now Bryant showed initiative in doing this. As his papers revealed, in 1868 he took a $3,000 bribe, basically, from Harper & Row Publishers here in New York City. Why? Why did they give him 3,000? Well, he writes to them, "We shall labor especially to establish a system of common schools in the state. I will labor to that end. And the advantage to your house must be very great." In other words, we're going to use your textbooks, Harper, in our new public school system. So, you know, give me a little bit of money here, and we will... Now, why do I mention this? Harper & Row is the publisher of my book on Reconstruction. [laughter] Now, it's a long time ago, but I put it in there just to see if anyone would complain. They didn't. In fact, the week after I turned in the manuscript for this book, the publishing house was bought by a famous newspaper magnate, Rupert Murdoch, and I think he kind of liked this aspect of my history, given the way he's operated elsewhere. [laughter] So anyway, but the biggest problem facing these governments, as it will turn out, is violence, the necessity to deal with what can only be called terrorism, homegrown American terrorism. Next time we will look at what happened with that, how they did or didn't, and how Reconstruction begins to fade. So see you then. INTERVIEW: INTERRACIAL POLITICS Page 9 of 11 It does seem that between the sort of, the turn against Reconstruction in the South and the ascent of liberal Republicans in the North (which we talked about in class) that there's almost this, like, nationwide turn against democracy in the United States in the 1870s. >> Well, a lot of it is posed that way, that democracy, you know, the people ->> It's good government versus these unruly... >> Right. Good government needs a limitation of the suffrage, North and South, not just among blacks in the South -immigrants, poor people in the North. >> Your former student Sven Beckert has this amazing part of his book, "The Monied Metropolis," it's also an article in "Past and Present," about this campaign to restrict suffrage in New York City in the 1880s? >> Right. 1870s, they tried to have a new charter, a new city charter. Samuel J. Tilden, who runs in '76 -- >> Yeah, this close to being our president. >> Yeah, and he was the architect of this. And it basically was to put back a property qualification for voting, you know? So that poor people just couldn't vote, because the idea was the city should be run like a business. You know, it should be run on efficiency grounds and, you know, kind of without spending a lot of money. So, you hear this around today, of course. Well, if it's a business, then the shareholders should determine what the policies are, and the shareholders are property owners. And the Irish immigrant, or the German, or the poor laborer is not really a shareholder in the city, and therefore... Now, of course, what happens? The people vote down this. People generally don't vote -- >> Don't want their vote taken away. >> They don't vote to disenfranchise themselves. So, the charter fails. That's why, from some people's perspective, you get then in the 1880s, the emphasis is civil service reform. It's not limiting the right to vote, it's limiting who can hold office. >> I think it was in that Nancy Cohen in "The Reconstruction of American Liberalism," right? She's extending that story into the Gilded Age. >> Right. Yeah, exactly. So, you need to be able to pass an exam to, you know, you have to be sort of a college-educated guy to hold public office. And very few people are college educated at that time. So, you attack the bad government that way, by purifying -- You can't purify the electorate. They do in the South, from the point of view of the redeemers, but you can't really do that in the North. So you purify the officeholders, right? And you know, those impulses go all the way down into the progressive era. This is beyond our -- >> Yeah, so that's what's really remarkable to me. It seems like there are lots of ways in which the legacies of this Reconstruction moment are stronger for much of American history than the Civil War, but the Civil War's the thing that everyone knows about and cares about. But it's this stuff afterwards, so many crucial moves are made. >> Yeah, it's true. And in the progressive era, you get the same debate. Who should vote? And who should hold office? And what do you do about bad government? Now, they've eliminated blacks in the South, but bad urban government, and the same thing of trying to purify the electorate in one way or another, you know? And even the progressives who want good government are often willing to have laws like residency requirements, and others, to kind of limit who really should be voting. >> Well, and this is like segregation, right, as a quintessentially progressive measure, like, not an aberration. >> Absolutely. It fits in. One might almost say that black disenfranchisement is a progressive measure, at least that's how it was presented in the South: as a good-government measure. To eliminate all the violence and all the fraud in Southern elections, you get rid of the black vote, and then white people won't have to be fraudulent anymore, you know? >> Which also makes what's going on in the South in toward the end of the 1860s just one of the most extraordinary moments, I think, in the history of American democracy, where you see this forging at this interracial coalition in this region, of course, that had been, like, enslaved until, like, just yesterday. >> Yeah. >> And that just, seeing this period as this sort of, like, tension, between this KKK and other, like, drive to create like, basically, a Page 10 of 11 white coalition versus African Americans. The durability of this interracial coalition, really, is remarkable, even if it fades. >> It is very remarkable, and quite unique in the long, you know, road, the long story of American history. Even if you look at politics today in the Southern states, you have virtually no interracial -- In the North, yes. The North and the West -- >> Yeah, there's just that Times article you mention in class. It's, like, more divided than ever in the South. >> Right, and 90% of white Southerners are voting Republican, and 95% of black Southerners are voting Democrat. So, what kind of interracial politics can you have under those circumstances? That is not true in the rest of the country. The Republican party does tend to be pretty white in most places now, but there are still black and Hispanic Republicans. And the Democratic party is much more racially diverse. But in the old Southern, in the old slave states, interracial politics is still, and always has been, a very, very difficult sell, so to speak. You had it after the Voting Rights Act for a while, in 1965. You had blacks now being able to vote again for the first time since the end of, you know, the disenfranchisement. And you got people like Jimmy Carter. You got that generation, Dale Bumpers in Arkansas, I guess -- >> Even, like, Bill Clinton... >> Bill Clinton, Carter, some of the others, who did pull in both black and white votes as Democrats. I think from the election of Reagan, really, that begins to really fall apart, as the Republican party identifies itself -- Of course, Nixon started it, but even much more so with what they call the, you know, "the southern strategy," the backlash strategy. And blacks are voting almost entirely Democratic, so the space -- Now, it's coming back again in places like, in the fringes of the South: Virginia, North Carolina (to some degree, although not necessarily right now), Florida. >> So it's like with suburbanization. >> Suburbanization, people moving in from other parts of the country. But other Southern states have not yet experienced that, although may down the road. Page 11 of 11
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