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FILE 20130508 - Pages 3-19
FILE 07232013 - Pages 20-118
FILE 20130506 - Pages 119-217
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Transcribed by:
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NOTES:
The identification of the voices on these
three audio recordings was provided to me
by Daniel Cragg, Attorney, as being Jean
Robinson and Ruben Lopez.
The parenthetical "unintelligible" means that
I could hear that words were being said but
that at the time of transcription I could not
understand what was being said.
Names of individuals and companies have been
spelled phonetically.
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MS. ROBINSON:
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So I cut the header off because
it's faxed from our place.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
They've got a clear --
Of course.
-- do not disseminate.
Right.
Cannot.
No, no.
You didn't get it from me.
No, no, no, no, no.
This is just for
my own edification.
MS. ROBINSON:
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And the one thing that he's
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extremely worried about is his notes.
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marked up a little bit.
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so --
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
He has this
It's marked up a little bit,
Who's this?
John, John.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, John.
He's like, I don't feel
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comfortable giving this out, you know.
And I said,
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you're just faxing it to me, John.
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I was giving it to you.
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so don't -- don't freak out, but -- so this is it.
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And since we never know who's on the -- I thought for
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sure everybody would still be in there, and it was
I didn't tell him
You're just faxing it to me,
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kind of funny.
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She can't stand me, and I can't stand her.
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(Unintelligible).
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David.
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to tell him that as he was talking, because she was
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just --
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When I first came in (unintelligible).
And I don't know what happened to
His room is right next to hers, and I wanted
MR. LOPEZ:
He just came and he left.
barely here.
MS. ROBINSON:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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He was
So he's gone?
He stayed somewhere in a town nearby.
Oh, okay.
He stayed here for one night.
Oh, okay.
I already talked to him.
He's just
like, oh.
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah.
Yeah, I got the --
He's scared.
What's he scared about?
He doesn't know.
What's going on?
Because, yeah,
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he was kind of just sitting there, you know.
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to -- I wanted to tell him at least about this other
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thing that's related to him, but I didn't get a chance
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to --
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MR. LOPEZ:
I know.
I wanted
I said, well, I partner, I
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partner, and I said CH2M Hill.
He probably didn't
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get -- he probably thinks I'm partnering with one of
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the other CRPs.
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just turned on me.
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MS. ROBINSON:
So he's thinking, okay, so this guy
I didn't get -Yeah, he -- I'm telling you he was
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a little weird, and then I saw his wife, and I gave
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her a hug, because I went to -- just to see what the
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hell they'd do, I went to -- FCE gave something, and
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actually an old client of mine, Relief Enterprises,
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the one I introduced you to --
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Um-hmm.
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-- he said, oh, Jean, come on,
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we're going to go out to dinner.
And I said, where
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you guys going?
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thing.
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to that.
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the bus and go, we're going to go to the Mexican
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place, and, you know, you'll have a good time, and
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then we'll get a chance to talk.
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course, all the enemies are there, Jerry Dentenal and
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all of them, yeah, but David was there and his wife.
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And so we were leaving, you know, and I went up and
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gave him a hug, but he was real --
He said, we're going to the FCE
I said, I'm not going to that, I've never gone
And they're like, ah, just come on, get on
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MS. ROBINSON:
So I went.
Of
Yeah.
Yeah.
He was real tentative, real
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MR. LOPEZ:
And that's why.
He must have told
his wife something.
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MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah, because she was -- that's
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what I was -- that's what I was going to tell you is
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that she was worse than him.
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to me and stuff, you know, and kid around and stuff.
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I was talking to him, oh, David.
But I was trying to say something
to her.
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this to him.
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going.
She was holding him, and she was like
And I said:
David, keep
So, I mean, does he think we're
against him or something?
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Oh, I'm sorry.
I'll catch up with you later.
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I mean, David would talk
MR. LOPEZ:
No.
We're not against him.
I think he's paranoid.
And with
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me -- with me, all I can say is, I said, oh, I teamed
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up with CH2M Hill.
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Hill.
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I don't know that he got CH2M
He's probably heard -MS. ROBINSON:
Because he still calls me
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sometimes at home, but I'll tell him because he --
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yeah, he was different, and I was kind of worried
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about him, and then when I saw him, he was on this
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floor, and you're going to laugh.
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his stuff, like -- like his tennis shoes, his clothes.
He had like all of
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Right.
But he didn't have them in a bag
or anything.
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Thinking of that, I did mention to
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him not too long ago, I said, you better be careful,
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do not compromise Jean.
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MR. LOPEZ:
You have him --
You know what I'm saying?
-- paranoid, but, yeah.
Yeah.
Because ever since that time
when he was -MS. ROBINSON:
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Yeah.
Well, still, and they do watch.
They do watch.
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I said, what are you doing?
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ask him.
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not read what you wrote, what you're saying?
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Did you not have your glasses on?
I had to
Did you
He's just not the brightest
person.
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MR. LOPEZ:
So recently I said, do not compromise
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Jean, do not compromise Jean, and maybe that's why
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he's -- you know what --
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but it was his wife that --
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Well, but I was okay with that,
MR. LOPEZ:
this.
Then they talk, and Ruben told me
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usually talk and -- you know, and maybe she was -- you
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It was strange.
MR. LOPEZ:
You know, because she and I
You don't know how people react under
pressure.
MS. ROBINSON:
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
And sometimes people can take very
little pressure.
MS. ROBINSON:
So he says:
Jean, do you know
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what's going on?
Do you know what Ruben's up to?
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know, just ask Ruben.
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something is going on, he's working on something, but
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he's not telling me.
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MR. LOPEZ:
I said, I don't
He says, I don't know,
I said --
Of course I'm not telling him.
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how he handles information.
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thing.
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He
I see
I'm not telling him a
Well, and I was supposed to go
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down there May 2nd, one day this week.
Well, I was
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going to go, and then they changed -- and then John
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Hoff and Joe decided -- we were all going to ride down
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together, and I said, well, we ought to meet at
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David's place, and so I said I'd go.
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his operation or anything.
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minute, John Hoff, Mr. Redneck John Hoff, said, I'm
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going down with the boys the night before, you know,
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and I said -- he says, you can -- you know, you can
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drive.
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drive two-and-a-half hours down, two-and-a-half hours
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back, and not even get to talk to him anyway.
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I'd never seen
And then at the last
And I thought, I'm not going down there to
We ended up not meeting at his place.
We ended
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up meeting at the NISH Richmond office, which I'd
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never been to, so it would have been -- I just didn't
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have the time.
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phone, and what I said to David at the end of the
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conversation, I says, okay, because everybody was
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pretending to love each other and it just was all so
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stupid.
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the elephant in the room.
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you feel like you're being blackballed.
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issues on the table for everybody, and then he kind of
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talked a little bit.
So I didn't go, but I was on the
So I said:
You know, we need to get rid of
The bottomline, David, is
So I put the
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because I knew he was going to take it personal about
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I told him I was going to be there in person and at
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the very last minute I decided not to drive down
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because I needed to get back.
They were going to have
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get Teresa off the bus.
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phone.
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you know, I'm not going to come down, but I'm going to
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be on the phone, and I told him -- you know, I said,
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and don't be surprised if near the end of the
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on an ops meeting I'm not sure you need lawyers
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involved.
So I said, I'll just do it by
So I called him personally and said, David,
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Right, right.
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You know, and I said, and if it's
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related to litigation, you can't talk about it anyway.
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and them not to have an excuse not to provide any
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service.
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Sure, sure.
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You know, and if every time they
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got to coordinate and got to have lawyers in the room
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and all that and lawyers scheduled, then they're going
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to say, is this too hard?
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to want to do the right thing.
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Right.
I mean, they're not going
No.
I understand.
I also
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want to make it very, very clear, you can be assured I
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have not threatened Joe.
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I have not even touched him.
I know.
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you.
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I would not.
And the reason why -- I
just want to give you an overabundance of information.
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I kind of thought it was kind of
funny myself, but, you know.
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I want you to know.
He just -- he is so upset with
He is so upset.
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But I can't believe that they would
lie to you.
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He and Martin.
Oh, they lie, but
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that's the problem.
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people, they lie to you all the time.
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That's why you can't defend these
If you did not know me -- if you did
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getting harassed by this guy.
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Oh, if I didn't say -- if I didn't
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know you, I'd have -- I'd have been all over your
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case.
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MS. ROBINSON:
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Sure, sure, sure.
be threatening the client now, yeah.
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I'd have been like, Ruben, don't
Of course, of course.
I would have been all over you.
Yeah, yeah.
MR. LOPEZ:
I understand.
I understand.
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And that's what he wanted me to
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everybody is a big adult here, we can all handle
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ourselves.
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And I just said, hey, everybody -- I said,
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And, you know, I would never -- like
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it is when he said, look, Ruben, it's not --
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You know what I said?
I said, I'm
very surprised because -- here's what I said.
I said,
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that Ruben is very calculating, and I can't believe
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that he would -- he chooses his words careful.
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said, you know, he -- and everything.
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paranoid, and he said, well, he's got some guy with
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him, and he handed me his card, and he says, the guy
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said he's not a lawyer, but he takes notes like a
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lawyer.
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He said, the guy writes down everything you say; he
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says, Ruben said, Martin said, Ruben said.
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started laughing, right?
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note-taker.
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really a lawyer.
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then I asked him a couple really basic one-on-one TFM
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questions, and the guy couldn't answer it.
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what he said.
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he's parading as a TFM person, he's not really a TFM
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So Martin is
And I said, and how do lawyers take notes?
And I
And I said, he's just a good
He said, well, you know, I think he's
He said -- and then Martin said, and
That's
So he said, I don't think -- I think
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ability.
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I just smiled.
MS. ROBINSON:
They take good notes according to
Martin.
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And he did remark on our meeting.
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everything clearly, and we don't want to misunderstand
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anything.
I did tell him that.
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make sure we understand everything clearly.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Like, for instance, I'm sure it's
going to be in the notes:
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software?
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contacted you?
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this.
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sure that's in the notes.
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I said, we want to
Yeah.
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I said,
Did Joe call you about the
No, he didn't, but we -- he has not
Okay.
No.
Yeah, so then we will handle
And we'll give it to you.
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with Denise Ransin?
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that I know of.
Okay.
What's going on -- what's going on
Is she bad-mouthing you to --
I don't -- I don't think so.
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I'm
Not
Be careful with Denise.
Okay.
I think she has been.
I think she
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Okay, okay.
we were fine.
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I know in her heart of hearts --
Yeah.
-- she's okay, but I think people
just feel the pressure to try to, you know -MR. LOPEZ:
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Yeah.
I mean --
-- belong or whatever.
I feel she was very open before the
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MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
And then after that she changed.
Well, they told her, you know.
Yeah.
And I honor that.
I mean,
she --
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Recently?
Recently.
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She came to our place,
Yeah.
When we first started connecting
again, she just talked fast like --
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MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
-- she knew, and I understood.
So
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I let her talk
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respect what she knew.
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superficially --
I really do, and I understand
But, yeah, we are -- how do I qualify it?
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We are
Okay.
-- friends.
I just wanted you to be --
Yeah.
-- careful with her.
I understand.
MS. ROBINSON:
I understand.
She said some stuff in a couple of
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MR. LOPEZ:
I was just like
Right, right.
But Joe, you got Joe on the ropes.
Maybe he's just a little
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Well, because he knows what he's
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trying to do is make Bob and Dennis and Martin proud
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of him.
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Right.
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And, you know, these guys are
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just -- I just didn't know what a poor leader both Bob
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and Dennis are.
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it's --
They can't make a decision.
It's --
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And, you know, and Dennis is not
talking to me at --
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Well, he's just being cool.
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Right.
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don't like that guy.
Wasn't it Benjamin Franklin said:
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I got to get to know him better.
Right.
Yeah.
Keep your enemies
close.
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easiest thing to do, if I were him, I would say, who
is that guy?
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Now I know he's just over head.
He's way out there.
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need?
Okay, Ruben, so what is it that you
Okay, you know, this we can do, this we cannot.
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See, here's the thing, Ruben, when
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you are doing bad things and you're corrupt and you
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think somebody is watching that and somebody is going
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to be careful and make sure they catch it, then it's
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just easier for them to stay away from you, is what
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they're trying to do.
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MS. ROBINSON:
True.
Yeah.
It's true, true.
So, you know, we'll see.
I thank you so much for the -No problem.
So don't -- I mean,
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I understand.
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MS. ROBINSON:
I understand.
But make sure like when you're
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around here, because you never know who's
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My attorney is going to try to
contact you to have this meeting because -MS. ROBINSON:
Okay.
Yeah.
It will probably
be -- I told him it will probably be now, because
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they're reticent to have it, but it will probably be a
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Yeah, that's fine.
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You know, we'll see.
Yeah.
June will be perfect.
June will be even better, but --
Just is perfect.
-- we'll see.
We'll see.
June will be perfect.
But did you get your thing in for
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your appeal?
Don't do it until the tenth day,
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whatever the tenth day is.
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have missed it.
Yeah.
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MR. LOPEZ:
I will find out.
We might
No, but it should be coming up.
Okay.
I will --
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I will inquire with my attorney.
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You never want them to get you on
a technicality, you know.
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MS. ROBINSON:
Right, right.
So I don't know.
Now, the lawyer
that you have, is he a good guy?
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Yeah.
-- at the 40th hour.
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will do it the tenth day --
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It should be in a day or so.
A good guy.
I didn't look him up yet.
He's a fresh, young kid -Okay.
Good, good, good.
-- who is just idealistic, but he is
respectful.
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MS. ROBINSON:
Okay.
He's a good man.
He's respectful.
Okay.
He's respectful.
Okay.
In case I don't see --
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because I'm leaving at 6:00 o'clock in the morning, so
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I'm like, hmm.
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with -- Lou is supposed to be here at 9:00.
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seen him in ten years or so.
So I'm going to go and catch up
I haven't
He's the godfather to my
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niece, and he's my oldest brother's like closest
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friend, and he just retired like, what did he tell me,
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four months ago.
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years, so it'll be good to play catch up.
So I haven't seen him in about five
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Enjoy your reunion.
All right.
So let me know what
you think of that letter.
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Hello.
Jean, how are you?
Hey, Ruben.
This is Ruben.
I'm all right.
How
you doing?
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MR. LOPEZ:
I'm doing well, I think.
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Yeah, I know.
That's what --
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that's what I say too.
That's what I say too.
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got off the phone from asking John, I said:
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you're going away for three weeks, man.
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that much?
I just
John,
How do you
Or how do you even have
You've only been here a year.
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Right.
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MS. ROBINSON:
Well, you know, I'm going to go in
15
the hole for a week.
16
know, you've got to talk to me about that kind of
17
stuff or say something, you can't just -- yeah.
18
MR. LOPEZ:
19
MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
25
John.
And I said:
Okay, but, you
Right.
In any event.
Yeah.
You can't win.
No, no.
You can't win.
I apologize, I'm not recognizing.
Who's John?
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2
MS. ROBINSON:
general counsel.
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
John Huggins, my deputy associate
Oh, oh, oh.
John, John Huggins.
Yeah.
Sorry.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I -- oh,
he's --
7
MS. ROBINSON:
I'm going, John, you know, you
8
know as soon as I get there tomorrow they're going to
9
say, how is it that John's going to miss the board
10
meeting and go on vacation for three weeks or whatever
11
the hell it is, I mean.
12
MR. LOPEZ:
Wow.
13
MS. ROBINSON:
And so he's like, well, it's a
14
fine time to tell me now.
15
wrote -- you wrote an e-mail two months ago saying
16
that, you know, this is a family trip planned and you
17
wanted the time and asking whether you had enough
18
time.
19
e-mail, if I don't have enough time, I'll just take it
20
unpaid.
21
get what you get and then the rest of it will be
22
unpaid.
If you didn't -- no.
What he said in his
I said, so you need to understand that you'll
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
And I said, John, I said, I
tell me now.
Right.
He said, well, it's a fine time to
22
1
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
Because he's leaving tomorrow.
3
But I said, well, I just assumed that you would be
4
adult enough to get that figured out on your own.
5
mean, you're a lawyer.
6
difficult thing, but anyway.
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
MR. LOPEZ:
I
I mean, that's not a real
But he -Life goes on.
I guess he's -- how can you say it?
10
He's neophyte enough to know that he can blow off
11
board meetings and not worry about the consequences.
MS. ROBINSON:
12
Yeah, exactly.
Well, I mean, I
13
can't blame him for not wanting to go and get pounced
14
on.
15
That's what I can't blame him for, but -MR. LOPEZ:
That's true.
What are you -- what
16
are you guys working up out there in Detroit, of all
17
places?
18
MS. ROBINSON:
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
I know, the bankruptcy place.
Right.
I don't know who picked that.
I
21
think what's his name, Bill Cullen, picked that a few
22
years ago.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
Right, right.
Because the board chair usually
picks the places, but in any event.
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MR. LOPEZ:
2
MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
Is he from Detroit?
MR. LOPEZ:
Did you see the TV show?
I saw the TV show, and I'm thinking,
wow, that's -- that's an eye-opener.
MS. ROBINSON:
you know.
Well, Jim Gibbons is such an ass,
He really is.
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
MS. ROBINSON:
Right.
And he's part of the Jim Barone,
14
Bob Chamberlin, whatever, whatever.
15
an ass too, I thought, during the interview.
16
I'm
seeing Goodwill and ARC popping up.
8
11
Um-hmm.
Now, what is -- what's going on?
MS. ROBINSON:
10
He's from Indianapolis.
Indianapolis.
7
9
No.
MR. LOPEZ:
He came across as
Yeah, I think so too.
But one of the
17
things that really was interesting to me, there were
18
several interviews.
19
gentleman, he's a -- he's a counsel.
20
whom, maybe another Goodwill.
21
Goodwills being addressed.
22
cross-eyed gentleman.
23
MS. ROBINSON:
24
MR. LOPEZ:
25
MS. ROBINSON:
I saw several, one with a
I don't know for
There were several
He's a little bit of a
He's an attorney.
Yeah, that's -- no.
That's Jim.
Jim.
That's the guy who's on our board.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
Well, one of the things that
2
he said that was to me, to be honest, repulsive, when
3
they corner him and they said, well, why are you
4
paying these people?
5
MS. ROBINSON:
6
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
8
MR. LOPEZ:
9
MS. ROBINSON:
10
MR. LOPEZ:
How can you make this money, yeah.
Exactly.
And then --
I know what you're going to say.
And then he said -I know what you're going do say.
He said, well, you need to understand
11
that these people are not working for financial gain
12
as their goal.
13
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, he's -- he's lying.
14
lying.
15
asshole, and he's part of the craziness, and --
He's
I mean, he's lying literally, but he's an
16
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
17
MS. ROBINSON:
-- he's the guy that I had -- see,
18
if you were on the board, you would understand some of
19
the stuff that occurred, some of the stuff that went
20
kind of right by David, like, you know, when they were
21
voting -- like when I said that guy couldn't be on the
22
compensation committee, and it was a close vote before
23
they -- they knocked off most of the board members who
24
weren't afraid to speak up over things.
25
bottomline is, he's an ass, and so it did me good to
But the
25
1
see -- see him getting beat up over, you know, one of
2
the issues that we are accused about, which was, you
3
know, executive comp.
4
MR. LOPEZ:
5
MS. ROBINSON:
Correct.
But in any event, he's their hero.
6
He'll -- he'll be at this one, and he likes to -- he
7
and Jim Barone are best buddies, but --
8
MR. LOPEZ:
9
MS. ROBINSON:
10
MR. LOPEZ:
Sometimes you've got to look at the
chess board.
13
14
But what have you been up to?
Because you've been kind of quiet.
11
12
Well, we --
MS. ROBINSON:
agree.
15
I agree.
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah, yeah.
I agree.
Yeah.
No, I agree.
I
I agree.
No, but what really -- when he
16
told America that disabled people work for personal
17
fulfillment, not for financial gain.
MS. ROBINSON:
18
I know, not the money.
I'm
19
eating -- I'm eating food as I talk to you, so excuse
20
me, but -- yeah.
21
an arrogant, amusing asshole.
22
MR. LOPEZ:
No.
He came across, I told you, as
I love it.
I have to be honest with
23
you.
24
announced just out of thin blue air --
25
I came to my office the following day, and I
MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah, but, see -- but, see, NISH
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didn't get -- you know, the fact that he's a NISH
2
board member, I mean, everybody -- that all was about
3
Goodwill, and NISH escaped once again, narrowly, but
4
what it did for me was plant in my head is that the
5
way to deal with NISH is to -- is to go the media
6
route, because the other routes are okay but they
7
really don't know how to deal well with that route.
8
MR. LOPEZ:
9
MS. ROBINSON:
10
Right, right, right.
You know, I mean, that's -- that's
what I'm seeing.
11
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
12
MS. ROBINSON:
But the last committee meeting was
13
an eye-opener for me, and I was surprised that --
14
David wasn't there.
15
July 11th, and Bob kept trying to get me not to go.
16
He's like, well, you've got all this other stuff to
17
do, you know, that -- that isn't a big priority.
18
so, of course, when I figured that out, I'm like,
19
okay, I've got to go and see what's going on.
20
MR. LOPEZ:
21
MS. ROBINSON:
It was last -- it was the 11th,
And
You've got to go.
You mention it, now I've got to
22
go.
So I go, and the bells and lights came on.
Well,
23
first of all, there's this guy on our board called --
24
well, that Jim Barone brought to our board, Bob
25
Turner, to the audit committee.
27
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MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
And then he went off.
He used
3
to work -- I'm going to put you on speaker because I'm
4
going to eat.
5
worked for TACHE, I think, and then he went off, and I
6
know he was handpicked by Jim --
Nobody is here but me.
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
MR. LOPEZ:
10
But he -- he
Okay.
-- for the audit committee, right?
Right.
MS. ROBINSON:
And so, you know, he's -- he
11
always, you know, has little comments behind my back
12
but never anything to my face.
13
in the NISH offices like all the time, and I'm like,
14
what is this guy doing here, he's meeting with Bob,
15
meeting with Dennis, meeting with Bob, meeting with
16
Dennis, meeting with our risk manager, Golie, you
17
know, meeting with Bill Coleman.
18
So I kept seeing him
So when I go to the committee meeting, one of the
19
things that they had were -- one of the committee
20
members who is kind of open-minded and not, you know,
21
willing to go along with all the craziness is Karen
22
McCulloh, by the way.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
Okay.
You'll have to remember that.
But
in any event, so these guys do this presentation, and
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I'm kind of like, what does this have to do with
2
AbilityOne?
3
companies, or was there two, do the presentation about
4
employing veterans and say all the wonderful things,
5
it was apple pie and all that, but then -- so the
6
first presentation happened.
7
same people I've seen in and out of the building, you
8
know, in like a couple weeks before, like every day.
9
In fact, Bob Turner was in the building so much, I
Anyway, so these three for-profit
You know, these are the
10
looked at him and said, oh, man, how you doing, we got
11
to get you an office, and I just kept on going.
12
don't like me; I don't like him.
13
He
But, anyway, so it hit me kind of funny, and then
14
Bob and those guys kept stepping up their -- as they
15
normally do, their assault on me, and of course he
16
would -- they stuck him on the audit committee, and
17
Bill Coleman, you know, had to endorse that, so --
18
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
19
MS. ROBINSON:
So I'm like, why are they putting
20
him on the audit committee?
He's like an advisor,
21
etcetera.
22
this presentation, and when they get up to make the
23
presentation, it's a black guy, and it's a -- I don't
24
know.
25
minorities, and they're saying, we're from the company
So long story short, so they get up to make
I guess he's maybe Middle Eastern.
Anyway, two
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1
of Campa, something and something.
I don't know.
2
mean, I've got it written down, but -- so he started
3
talking, but then the black guy isn't very articulate.
4
He's a former veteran.
5
all the partners in the company, the three main
6
principals.
7
Bob Turner, is not here.
He was wounded.
I
But these are
So he says, well, our other principal,
8
MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, my goodness.
9
MS. ROBINSON:
Wow.
So I was kind of half-assed
10
asleep, but then I wake up, and they talk about all
11
the wonderful things they're going to do and how
12
they're going to hire veterans and how they're going
13
to create this ESOP veteran-owned company, and ESOP is
14
like an employee stock option company.
15
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
16
MS. ROBINSON:
And the people are going to own
17
their own company, and they're going to do federal
18
contracting, and they're going to partner with
19
AbilityOne people.
20
black guy that they had stand up, I mean, I -- you
21
know, I hate to talk bad of a veteran, but he's a
22
little shell-shocked, you know.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
So I'm connecting the dots.
The
I mean --
Right, right.
-- he's dressed up nice and all
that, but he stands up and he starts talking about Bob
30
1
Turner and how that's their other principal and that
2
the company -- the last name in the company isn't his
3
name, but it's his daughter's name because his
4
daughter was disabled, and not once did he mention
5
that Bob Turner was a NISH board member.
6
MR. LOPEZ:
Wow.
7
MS. ROBINSON:
And so everybody is all happy and,
8
you know, looking like isn't this great, and the
9
concept is not bad.
And then he says, and so we're
10
partnering with PRIDE, which didn't surprise me
11
because Bob -- Jim Barone brought Bob Turner to the
12
board.
13
MR. LOPEZ:
14
MS. ROBINSON:
15
Sure.
it that he got put back on.
16
MR. LOPEZ:
17
MS. ROBINSON:
18
Turner rotated off, and Jim saw to
Right.
And on a critical committee, you
know, the audit committee.
19
MR. LOPEZ:
Sure.
20
MS. ROBINSON:
So I kind of laughed, and I said,
21
okay, well, it doesn't surprise me now that the
22
opportunities -- so, in other words, this is not
23
AbilityOne opportunities.
24
it, but it's all to build what they say capacity
25
because these are for-profit companies.
Well, we're helping develop
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1
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
So I'm like, why are they
3
presenting to the committee, I don't even understand
4
the connection here, and then the light bulb, you
5
know, tripped for me, and I said, oh, I get it.
6
remember I told you that it was all the retirement
7
plan for in the future?
8
MR. LOPEZ:
9
MS. ROBINSON:
So
Yes.
So they're starting these
10
for-profit companies that are going to partner with
11
AbilityOne, ServiceSource, and PRIDE --
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
MS. ROBINSON:
14
Correct.
-- is who they're partnering with
to get these opportunities, millions of dollars, okay?
15
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
16
MS. ROBINSON:
And I said, oh, now I get it, it
17
took me a while to catch on here, but now I get it,
18
now I get why Bob didn't want me at the meeting.
19
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
20
MS. ROBINSON:
I don't understand how -- so
21
what's his face is supposed to be a consultant to us
22
on this matter, Bob Turner.
23
that's not a conflict that his company -- hold on one
24
second -- that his company is benefitting from it,
25
etcetera, but I was just like, okay, now I get it,
I don't understand how
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so now I get the Jim Barone, the PRIDE, the
2
ServiceSource connection and what they're doing.
3
they're just setting up these opportunities.
4
So
Now, something more near and dear to your
5
heart -- and I'm sure Bob is in, but he can't be in as
6
a, you know, on-paper partner or whatever.
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
Sure.
So -- so -- and Dennis too.
So
then I said, okay, so I've got that -- I've got that
10
all figured out, you know, that's not real hard to
11
figure out, but then Joe was going blank on me on this
12
response to your letter about the top-secret, because
13
the new scheme is -- and I just laughed.
14
got to call Ruben.
15
scheme is that when we get these -- we go after
16
opportunities that will require a top-secret
17
clearance.
18
MR. LOPEZ:
19
MS. ROBINSON:
20
I said, I
Here's the new scheme.
The new
Okay.
Do you know how many of our CRPs
have a top-secret clearance?
21
MR. LOPEZ:
Yep.
22
MS. ROBINSON:
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
MR. LOPEZ:
How many are there?
I can only imagine.
Two.
Two.
Six of them?
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MS. ROBINSON:
2
MR. LOPEZ:
3
MS. ROBINSON:
4
MR. LOPEZ:
5
MS. ROBINSON:
6
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
8
MR. LOPEZ:
9
MS. ROBINSON:
Two.
Okay.
Do you know who they are?
Who are they?
ServiceSource and PRIDE.
Oh, I see.
Okay.
There you go.
Yeah, there you go.
And maybe --
10
maybe CW Resources, but I don't think they have
11
top-secret either, though.
12
say, Joe, in Dennis's letter here he's not responding
13
to this issue.
14
up that much, and if he says the customer told him
15
that top-secret was something that we created, I want
16
to know why you keep saying that's not true.
17
which -- which customer, which contracting officer, or
18
which person there told you that the requirements for
19
this were going to be top-secret?
20
thing, you're telling the truth and Ruben is lying.
Okay.
So I say to Joe, I
I said, you know, Ruben doesn't blow
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
So
It's a simple
Right.
So send me the -- send me the
23
e-mails that show, because he said, well, I have
24
e-mails to prove it.
25
May really at the conference.
This goes all the way back to
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1
MR. LOPEZ:
Sure.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
And so now Dennis is writing his
3
letter, so he asked John to help him instead of me,
4
which is fine, because he figures John will know less
5
and he can -- you know, he can get more by him.
6
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
7
MS. ROBINSON:
And so he says -- so I said, well,
8
I don't think -- I said, Ruben -- Ruben said that he
9
thought he can deliver the goods, so you need to -- so
10
you need to prove him to be a liar.
11
tell Jim.
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
MS. ROBINSON:
This is what I
Right.
No problem.
So Joe shows all
14
these bullshit e-mails where we're asking the customer
15
about top -- there's never -- there's never a
16
definitive e-mail where the customer is saying, hey, I
17
think this project should be top-secret.
18
some e-mails from the customer kind of after the fact
19
and late in the game saying, you know, we're not sure
20
or whatever or -- they're e-mails from Joe to the
21
customer saying, you know, I need you to -- I need you
22
to tell me clearly what the requirements are.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
There are
Correct.
And -- but never -- never do they
come back and say, yep, it ought to be top-secret.
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2
3
4
MR. LOPEZ:
That's exactly what we know, and
we're waiting for this -MS. ROBINSON:
I wanted to get some clarity from
you off the record, you know --
5
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
6
MS. ROBINSON:
-- as to, you know, what --
7
what -- explain that whole thing to me, because like
8
it's such a sensitive thing with Joe.
9
10
11
12
MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
MS. ROBINSON:
I can kind of tell he's lying, but
he's real uncomfortable about it.
MR. LOPEZ:
I understand.
We had people,
13
reliable people go to the contracting officer to ask
14
him point-blank, did you request top security
15
clearance for this project, yes or no?
16
from the contracting officer was, oh, come on, we
17
don't want anything special, we just want a GSA
18
regular, garden variety clearance --
19
MS. ROBINSON:
20
MR. LOPEZ:
21
Yeah.
-- we're not asking for top security.
We know that from the horse's mouth.
22
MS. ROBINSON:
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
The response
you, though?
Okay.
End of story.
So now --
Now, will that officer back up on
36
1
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah, of course.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
No.
What I mean is, will they
3
turn around and say, no, I never told Ruben that?
4
know how we get that -- we get that all the time too.
5
MR. LOPEZ:
You
Well, you know, the answer is no.
6
They'll have to stand fast.
They're on -- they're on
7
record.
They can't go back.
8
if they -- if Joe and company is, obviously we're
9
waiting for that, trying to make it happen, that's
10
11
12
They're on record.
Now,
only going to add, you know, a cherry on top for us.
MS. ROBINSON:
Now, here's -- when Joe said you
were a liar, I looked at him and said, prove it.
13
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
14
MS. ROBINSON:
But so what he and Dennis decide
15
to do is call the contracting officer or whomever
16
and -- and say, give me proof that you asked for this.
17
MR. LOPEZ:
18
MS. ROBINSON:
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
Correct.
Now, he did that, but he hasn't
gotten it.
MR. LOPEZ:
Not yet, and he -- and he won't.
He
won't.
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, he says he will.
So I'm
just telling you that's where that is.
MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
All right.
Well -- well,
anyway, there is a record, a long-standing record.
So
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1
either way he's in hot water, end of story.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
So what did -- okay.
Explain to
3
me, so I can better put him on the hot seat, explain
4
to me what he lied about.
5
created the top-secret from the beginning?
6
what you're telling me?
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
10
He -- he's the one who
Is that
Exactly, exactly.
He did that because he knew that
would limit the pool and that would automatically keep
you from applying; is that right?
11
MR. LOPEZ:
Absolutely.
12
MS. ROBINSON:
Okay.
I think I get that.
And
13
he's saying, no, that's not the way it went, the
14
customer created that requirement from the beginning.
15
MR. LOPEZ:
And yet you now see the e-mails where
16
it is he who is trying to urge that and the customer
17
is --
18
MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah, I know, I know, but he
19
claims he's going to get me the smoking gun e-mail.
20
Now, he hasn't been able to produce it.
21
occurred last Thursday.
22
23
24
25
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
This -- this
And if he does, you can only
imagine that the date will be a recent date, which -MS. ROBINSON:
figure out.
Well, that's what I've got to
That's why I need to talk to you, so I
38
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know what I'm looking at.
2
MR. LOPEZ:
3
MS. ROBINSON:
4
MR. LOPEZ:
5
Exactly.
You know what I mean?
Exactly, exactly.
No, no.
This
is --
6
MS. ROBINSON:
So that was his way -- okay.
Now,
7
and then didn't you ask him to present and he told you
8
no?
9
10
11
MR. LOPEZ:
Yes, I asked him to present.
him, we are ready -- two days before -MS. ROBINSON:
12
Portco present.
13
MR. LOPEZ:
14
MS. ROBINSON:
15
16
We told
And then he turns around and lets
Correct.
Breaks the rules and lets Portco
present.
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct, correct.
And we have an
17
e-mail to him saying two days before, even at this
18
late date, two days before, we are willing and able to
19
present.
20
21
MS. ROBINSON:
Okay, okay.
All right.
I got it.
I got it.
22
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
23
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, Dennis's letter is not going
24
to say much, but, I mean, at least when I'm in
25
the room Dennis is going on what Joe and those guys
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have -- you know, of course, he's not asking any
2
pointed questions, obviously.
3
MR. LOPEZ:
Of course.
4
MS. ROBINSON:
But I do, of course.
And so Joe
5
is going to prove to me that you're a liar, so I'm
6
waiting on that.
7
now he -- he left me a voicemail, should I put the
8
call in to the contracting officer to get the e-mail
9
that you want, because even Dennis had to say -- so
And he says, oh, no, I got this.
So
10
Joe and I were going toe to toe, and Dennis says, oh.
11
He said, I gave you all those e-mails, Jean, because
12
he tried to make me look like I didn't want to accept
13
the truth in front of Dennis and John.
14
gave you all those e-mails.
15
said, I read every one of them, and they don't say
16
what you say they said.
17
MR. LOPEZ:
18
MS. ROBINSON:
He said:
Did you read them?
I
I
Correct.
And I said, what I saw was a
19
string of e-mails from you or your people to the
20
customer inquiring about the top-secret and trying to
21
influence it in that way.
22
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
23
MS. ROBINSON:
I saw nothing from the customer
24
where they definitively said we're up in the air about
25
this or we don't know or, no, we don't want to.
You
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know, I didn't see it, yes, it has to be top-secret.
2
I said, I just didn't see that.
3
lying; there's one e-mail that clearly says.
4
That's after the fact, Joe.
5
Ruben is going to say is that in the beginning --
6
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
He said, well, you're
I said:
I'm talking about what
Correct.
-- you said it had to be.
8
we changed it.
9
Yeah, well, what's the big deal?
Well,
So then Dennis speaks up and says:
We changed it later,
10
and it wasn't top-secret, and he got to apply.
11
said, no, but we're trying to -- we're talking about
12
intent here, you know, and what you were trying to do.
13
The fact that it failed doesn't make it any better.
14
MR. LOPEZ:
15
MS. ROBINSON:
16
that.
Correct, correct.
So we went around and around about
And, let's see, what was the other thing?
MR. LOPEZ:
17
And I
That was the point, Jean.
That's why
18
our presentation was so poor, because we thought we
19
weren't going to be able to participate.
20
found out the truth and we obviously -- it was made
21
obvious to them, and they're correct, they changed it,
22
we had three days to get that thing put together.
23
was too short.
24
25
MS. ROBINSON:
you.
When we
It
So I was in the room fighting for
John and Dennis and Joe and Martin were fighting
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against me, including my -- my guy John.
2
like, well, you know, the proposal was awful, you
3
know.
4
present is because they were just dead last.
5
John was
And so Joe says, the reason we didn't let them
And I said, well, if he did -- when you say dead
6
last, we don't have a scoring system, we don't rank
7
first, second, third, the big fat turd, we don't do
8
that.
9
And he said, well, their response was poor and blah
I said, so what do you mean when you say that?
10
blah blah, they had misspellings, they cut and pasted,
11
they did this, they did that.
I said, yeah.
12
I said, but here is the bottom --
13
and that may be true, but when you keep saying that
14
you're ranking them last and therefore that's why you
15
didn't let them present -- because, I said, why didn't
16
you let them present, what the hell did you have to
17
lose?
18
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
19
MS. ROBINSON:
I mean, the customer would have
20
been able to say, you know, I hate them or, you know,
21
I don't want them or whatever.
22
them present because they weren't in the top four.
23
And I said, well, do you have a top four?
24
don't understand how that works, because you don't
25
weight, you don't rank, you don't -- so those are
Well, we didn't let
I mean, I
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important points for you to make.
2
So then they said, well -- what did he say?
3
said, well, he would have been dead last based on what
4
they submitted to me.
5
capability, they didn't do this.
6
know, we don't -- we don't necessarily judge people
7
off the quality of their -- their proposals because
8
nobody writes a great one, quite frankly --
9
MR. LOPEZ:
He
They didn't have the
I said, well, you
Correct.
10
MS. ROBINSON:
-- out of our bunch.
I said, some
11
are better than others.
12
is, so you knew when you down-selected for the
13
presentation that Ruben was out, so you could have
14
essentially written him a letter at that point instead
15
of waiting till the end and saying, look, it's going
16
to be between, you know, the top four people who are
17
presenting, and it ain't you.
18
procedure.
19
just keeping people hanging on and you already know
20
that they're out of the competition.
I said, but the other thing
Well, that's not in our
I said, well, it should be, because you're
21
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
22
MS. ROBINSON:
So we went through that.
And
23
so Dennis said, well, no harm, no foul, though,
24
because -- what was the other point in yours?
25
one was that they didn't let you present, and the
I guess
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other one was that Joe lied.
2
got nothing against Ruben, I don't even think about
3
Ruben, he's just such a lowlife, he doesn't matter to
4
me, I don't know why he's going through all this,
5
right?
6
And Joe is saying, no, I
And I said, well, you know, he's accusing you of
7
X.
Well, I got a problem with that.
Can I sue him?
8
And I said, what are you going to sue him for?
9
Defamation and blah blah blah, because I didn't lie
10
and I didn't make this up and he just doesn't want to
11
accept that, you know, they -- they turned in a really
12
bad proposal and they weren't qualified for that
13
opportunity.
14
around.
15
And so, you know, you run around and
And I said, okay, so then, Dennis, I can infer
16
from all this that you're going to sustain the appeal.
17
Yes, yes, yeah.
18
letter, you know.
19
said, well, you know, I think it all comes down to
20
did Joe lie or didn't he lie, was he trying to screen
21
him out, you know, what have they gotten since --
22
because Portco appealed too, what have they gotten
23
since they signed the settlement agreement.
24
you know, granted, the settlement agreement is off --
25
you know, is not a part of this.
I said, okay, well, let me see the
So he showed me his letter, and I
I said,
It may be a part of
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1
the appeal, but it's not a part that you deal with,
2
Dennis.
3
So he -- so he's got a draft.
I don't know if he
4
sent it yet or if you got it yet, but he's got a
5
letter to you, supposed to, and get out to you.
6
MR. LOPEZ:
Right, right.
7
MS. ROBINSON:
But the bottomline is, I wanted to
8
better understand so I could press Joe on this since
9
he claims you're such a liar and that he's going to
10
get me e-mail proof.
11
MR. LOPEZ:
12
MS. ROBINSON:
13
what that was all about.
14
that's the new -- that's the new game, is what I'm
15
trying to tell you.
Right.
16
MR. LOPEZ:
17
MS. ROBINSON:
But I needed to better understand
So -- so that's what -- so
Sure.
The new game is the way we can
18
limit the pool and steer the contracts to who we want
19
them to is to go after projects that are top-secret --
20
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
21
MS. ROBINSON:
-- that require a top-secret
22
clearance, because then you guys won't even be able to
23
apply.
24
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct, correct.
25
MS. ROBINSON:
Now, I had a couple questions
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1
around -- there's a new opportunity that only two
2
people applied, ServiceSource and PRIDE, I think, and
3
this one is -- I mean, we're talking huge money on
4
these.
When I say "huge money," I mean really huge
5
money.
This is where they're going to be putting down
6
or setting up temp -- it's a DOD thing.
7
to be setting up temporary like camps.
8
MR. LOPEZ:
9
MS. ROBINSON:
They're going
Yes.
And so we're going to be preparing
10
the -- the -- what do you call them?
11
little cities.
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
MS. ROBINSON:
They're like
Yes.
But they're going to be on like
14
trailers, like if you had a trailer, and then GPS will
15
drop them down.
16
might be a top-secret --
So I can understand why that one
17
MR. LOPEZ:
Sure.
18
MS. ROBINSON:
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
-- clearance.
Obviously.
But those are the -- and that's
21
big, big money, and that's the opportunity.
22
was one recent one that only PRIDE and ServiceSource
23
applied for, ServiceSource got it, and I didn't
24
understand why no one else was in the game.
25
MR. LOPEZ:
But there
Was that the Brooklyn one, the
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1
Brooklyn opportunity?
2
MS. ROBINSON:
I've got to get it.
It's at
3
the -- it's at the office, but there's a couple of
4
them lately that I didn't understand why you guys
5
weren't applying for them.
6
MR. LOPEZ:
Well, there were two that were Infirm
7
up in Buffalo, New York, Infirm, half-empty, you know,
8
and that's all we've gotten, and we couldn't -- we
9
couldn't apply for those because they were so small
10
and way up there and the buildings --
11
MS. ROBINSON:
No, no.
These are big
12
opportunities.
No, no, no, no, no.
13
opportunities I'm talking about.
14
MR. LOPEZ:
15
MS. ROBINSON:
These are huge
Well, you know the -I mean, I was wondering why PRIDE
16
wasn't bitching about some of the stuff they haven't
17
gotten, well, because they know they're getting these,
18
you know, 500-million-dollar ones and these big, huge
19
ones.
So I'm like holy schmoly.
20
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
21
MS. ROBINSON:
And I don't know how they're
22
advertising them, and I was like, I don't go to that
23
site to look to see what's out there, but --
24
MR. LOPEZ:
We have not seen them.
25
MS. ROBINSON:
When I asked the guy, like I asked
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the new TFM guy, I said to him -- you know, he had a
2
debrief with PRIDE last week, and I said to him, well,
3
you know, how many SSMs did you guys put out there,
4
how many people applied, and he said only two people
5
applied.
6
And he said it was for like seven days, and I can get
7
the -- I mean, I'd have to go downstairs and look, but
8
I can get the exact opportunities.
9
wondered, I was like, where is Ruben and where is
10
David and the rest of them on applying for these?
11
12
13
And I said, why did only two people apply?
MR. LOPEZ:
So -- and I
We haven't seen them.
We have not
seen those.
MS. ROBINSON:
Right.
And then there's the one
14
that -- who did you guys -- didn't you guys apply for
15
one, maybe that was David, with -- with Chugetz and --
16
oh, that's the big -- the thing that David is making
17
the big deal of on the conflict of interest, which is
18
a good thing to pursue, because we found out that -- I
19
had to investigate it, and I sent it over to the
20
committee, that Dan Woods and Mark Castdorf, who now
21
work for Lakeview --
22
MR. LOPEZ:
23
MS. ROBINSON:
Right.
-- that it is a conflict, because
24
what happened is they'd given this guy -- Lakeview
25
and Gulf Coast, they're giving them all these
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1
opportunities, and the guy -- what's his face, Dan
2
Woods, really was on the evaluation committee, and he
3
did vote for Lakeview, and then he went to work for
4
them, and he's the -- and he's the guy who developed
5
it.
6
him and get him, but --
And they were smart enough to, you know, recruit
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
Sure.
Now, he did vote for them, and he
was on the committee, and everything that was in
10
David's letter was pretty much true except David had
11
the wrong amounts.
12
more than what David --
13
MR. LOPEZ:
14
MS. ROBINSON:
The contract was actually worth
Wow, wow.
-- had down there.
And so I don't
15
know.
I've got to find out if he really did send that
16
one to the Inspector General, whatever, because it
17
makes -- or the OIG.
18
what OIG was investigating, and those guys have gone
19
just totally under.
20
us, I guess.
21
know what -- what's going on there.
22
report to the board, because I've got to give them an
23
update, that, you know, all is quiet and --
It makes a perfect point for
I mean, they just forgot about
I guess they're -- you know, I don't
24
MR. LOPEZ:
25
MS. ROBINSON:
In fact, I'll
Who do you mean?
Mumford and Lisa.
They've not
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been in touch with Carlos and those guys, and they
2
were supposed to interview new staff.
3
just -- after the GSA partying, whatever, the GSA
4
working on that, I guess that just kind of took them
5
off target, but --
6
MR. LOPEZ:
I mean, they
Well, I mean, NISH with the -- with
7
the recent -- excuse me, SourceAmerica with the
8
recent --
9
MS. ROBINSON:
10
MR. LOPEZ:
11
MS. ROBINSON:
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
help it.
14
composure.
15
16
17
Stop, stop, stop.
Excuse me.
Touche.
That was involuntary.
I apologize.
MS. ROBINSON:
Okay.
I couldn't
I'm going to regain my
It will cost you a quarter every
time you get it wrong.
MR. LOPEZ:
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
With SourceAmerica being exposed in
18
the news the way they have, I can almost guarantee
19
that there are several federal agencies who are going
20
to have to focus on this issue.
21
MS. ROBINSON:
I know, but, I mean, they -- they
22
need to finish up what they were doing because it's
23
getting worse than better, but --
24
MR. LOPEZ:
True.
25
MS. ROBINSON:
-- but, I guess, you know.
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1
2
MR. LOPEZ:
see.
3
True, true.
Well, you know, we will
We will see.
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, I know Underhill pled guilty
4
and he got his -- I guess he got sentenced to his
5
probation or whatever.
6
of busy with all that stuff, but --
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
So I figure they've been kind
How did you hear about Underhill?
But the bottomline is, these guys
are -- you know, well, I guess the more you leave them
10
alone, the more stupid stuff they do, I guess.
11
maybe that's another way of thinking about it.
MR. LOPEZ:
12
13
14
So
So how did you hear about Underhill,
Jean?
MS. ROBINSON:
Oh, we -- Carlos has to check on
15
that because our investigation is still open and we
16
have to report -- like at every board meeting I have
17
to report legally where they are.
18
people who haven't complied with the subpoena --
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
See, I still have
Right.
-- meaning the OIG subpoena and
21
stuff like that, and I know when David does his
22
discovery, those same people who blew off that are
23
going to blow that off too.
24
getting ready to get all armored up, but -- so, you
25
know, the thing is, is that we were tracking, you
So, you know, he's just
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1
know, kind of what's going on, because they set
2
interviews for Bob Chamberlin, Jim Barone, some of the
3
senior people, but then they just backed off of them.
4
MR. LOPEZ:
Gotcha.
5
MS. ROBINSON:
They never did go through with
6
them, and so everybody is like, well, you know,
7
whatever happened to that?
8
days give sort of an update that the agents are
9
quiet --
10
MR. LOPEZ:
11
MS. ROBINSON:
So I'll have to in a few
Correct.
-- and Underhill was indicted, and
12
I -- I'm trying to think who sent it to -- somebody
13
sent it to Carlos, and then Carlos sent it to us.
14
MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
15
MS. ROBINSON:
Okay.
And then he -- and then I asked
16
Carlos today, I said, well, I got to put in my report
17
something about the OIG, what's going on?
18
said, well, all is quiet, so let sleeping dogs lie,
19
you know, no trouble, trouble.
And I said, okay,
20
well, that's what I'll report.
And I said:
21
whatever happened with Underhill?
22
pleaded and -- but whatever happened?
23
he get sentenced?
24
it up on PACER.
25
MR. LOPEZ:
And he
And
I know that he
He was -- did
And then Valerie or Carlos pulled
You know, we can just look it up.
Sure.
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MS. ROBINSON:
And so I said, okay, well, I'll
2
report that.
And, you know, the reason I want to
3
report that to them is I want them to understand that
4
the agents don't take kindly to people lying to them.
5
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
6
MS. ROBINSON:
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
MR. LOPEZ:
And they need to understand that.
Yeah.
But, you know --
You know, the thing -- the thing
10
about agents, and these people don't realize that,
11
when agents do their job, it's an impersonal thing,
12
just business, it's just business.
13
MS. ROBINSON:
14
MR. LOPEZ:
15
Right.
The moment you lie to them, it
becomes personal.
16
MS. ROBINSON:
17
MR. LOPEZ:
18
MS. ROBINSON:
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
Then it becomes personal.
You can't help it.
It's just --
Right.
-- the way it goes.
Well, the Underhill thing may have
21
scared David straight a little bit.
22
little better on the truth these days, not great.
23
Dubinsky.
24
25
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
He seems to be a
But is he going to be able to
keep away from the caviar?
I don't think so.
We have
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1
a -- we have a saying, a Mexican saying that says,
2
once a dog is given to eating eggs, you can burn its
3
snout and it will never quit.
4
MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah.
I think that's probably
5
right.
6
any event, so I hope they haven't lost sight and that
7
they're still looking at this NCWC, who changed their
8
name too, whatever that it is now --
9
10
I think that's probably right, but -- but in
MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, they changed their name?
MS. ROBINSON:
-- and these conflicts, these
11
board conflicts.
12
coming on, but they've pretty much gotten rid of --
13
it's ironic that we're meeting in Detroit, because
14
Barbara Nurenberg was the last board member who would
15
question them and hold their feet to the fire, and Jim
16
Barone and Bob took -- oh, I don't know.
17
working on getting rid of her as long as they've been
18
working on getting rid of me, but -- so I'm still the
19
last -- the last, you know, move on the chess board
20
for them, but they got Barbara.
21
March, and she's from Detroit.
22
we're going to be meeting in her city after they
23
put -- they literally changed the bylaws to put her
24
off the board.
25
MR. LOPEZ:
We've got some new board members
Gotcha.
They were
Her last meeting was
So it's ironic that
That makes sense.
That
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1
makes sense.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah, they did.
And -- and so
3
she's gone.
4
kind of handpicked, and they're just busy going on
5
about their business and doing what they do best, you
6
know.
7
They've got a bunch of new ones that they
MR. LOPEZ:
Well, you know, I've been -- I was
8
thinking about this whole situation.
9
York, I had an opportunity to look at a little bit of
10
history at the Metropolitan Museum, and one thing that
11
came to mind was Abraham Lincoln's statement where he
12
said, if you once forfeit the confidence of your
13
fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect
14
and esteem again.
15
SourceAmerica.
Very interesting.
16
MS. ROBINSON:
17
MR. LOPEZ:
As I was in New
I thought about
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, and the last one that I
18
think, and I'm putting all my eggs in this basket,
19
when he finally said, you know, you can even fool some
20
of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool
21
all of the people all of the time.
22
23
24
25
MS. ROBINSON:
All of the time, yeah.
would agree with that.
MR. LOPEZ:
No.
I
I would agree with that.
You know, and it's coming to a point
where they have been in a little corner doing their
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1
thing, only some people know, but it's coming to the
2
point where all of the people are going to realize who
3
they are and what they're doing.
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
7
Right.
And that's not going to -- I mean, by
force of evidence it cannot stand.
MS. ROBINSON:
Oh, and I did report with a little
8
bit of glee that you were slated to be one of the
9
extra witnesses in the Portco case.
They said:
I
10
don't think I'd do that.
11
said, well, I think he's going to report on how he got
12
bilked out of opportunities too.
13
firsthand experience with that.
14
would call him an expert, but, you know, he certainly
15
he has a story to tell.
16
MR. LOPEZ:
17
MS. ROBINSON:
What is he an expert on?
I
I think he has
I don't know that I
More of a victim.
18
has a story to tell.
19
MR. LOPEZ:
That's the thing.
He certainly
That's what I said.
Exactly, exactly.
Well, you know,
20
obviously, I'm not going to -- I would never shy away
21
from telling the truth, no matter for whom.
22
MS. ROBINSON:
David's -- David's correspondence
23
lately has been a lot better.
I meant to -- I've got
24
to call him and tell him.
25
in the last few days has been pretty -- pretty on
The stuff that he put out
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1
point and pretty good.
2
MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, good, good.
3
MS. ROBINSON:
Very good, very good and on point.
4
I don't know who's writing it for him, but it's been
5
good lately.
6
MR. LOPEZ:
Wonderful, wonderful.
7
MS. ROBINSON:
And it's driving him nuts.
8
said he's coming to this board meeting.
9
a chance to talk to him fully, but he said he's
10
11
And he
I haven't had
coming.
MR. LOPEZ:
I'm sure he is.
I mean, I would too
12
if I -- if I thought that my presence or some sort of
13
points would make a difference, but at this moment
14
nothing would.
15
we've been talking for several years now, but once you
16
said, not even God would dissuade them from what
17
they're doing, and you're correct.
18
You made a point several years ago,
MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah.
No.
I know.
I've figured it out.
I've figured
19
it out too.
20
what they're going to do, and they're just going to
21
keep, you know, systematically, you know, stepping on
22
those who are aware of it or who point it out or, you
23
know, who want to do something different.
24
MR. LOPEZ:
25
MS. ROBINSON:
They're going to do
Correct, correct.
And it's enough of them that
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they've kind of gathered their -- their troops, and
2
right now they're -- you know, they're in the catbird
3
seat right now.
4
MR. LOPEZ:
5
Okay.
Well, we'll leave it at that
for this moment.
6
MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah, yeah.
Exactly.
So they
7
think they're in the catbird seat, and they're just
8
going to do what they're going to do, and you can't --
9
I mean, you know, you can't -- you can't reason with
10
them.
11
MR. LOPEZ:
12
MS. ROBINSON:
13
MR. LOPEZ:
14
Right.
Now, riddle me this, Jean.
Yeah.
As far as the St. Elizabeth
project --
15
MS. ROBINSON:
16
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
-- we called the commission.
The
17
commission said, oh, no, no, we have not assigned this
18
project yet, because we said, well, have you run
19
the 30 days?
20
MS. ROBINSON:
21
MR. LOPEZ:
That's bullshit.
We asked them, have you run the
22
30 days, you know, comment period?
23
have been exhausted.
24
appeal at SourceAmerica.
25
No, you're right.
Oh, yes, those
I said, well, but there's an
They said:
Okay.
Yeah.
Regardless of the 30 days, that is
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irrelevant.
2
know there is an appeal.
3
MS. ROBINSON:
4
We still haven't assigned it because we
I think those guys,
they already started, didn't they?
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
MS. ROBINSON:
7
Yeah, I know.
Of course they started.
They already started back in May.
What the hell are they talking about?
8
MR. LOPEZ:
Exactly, exactly.
So this is an
9
interesting development because you know that we're
10
going to put them on the hook as soon as we get --
11
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, I'm assuming, and, you know,
12
I'm not saying it, but I'm assuming you're going to
13
take -- you just -- I mean, I don't even know why
14
you're waiting on those.
15
don't go into Court of Federal Claims and say, here we
16
are again, the same old shit.
MR. LOPEZ:
17
18
I don't know why you just
Well, you know, we -- we might do
that, but we're making sure that --
19
MS. ROBINSON:
You don't need a lawyer to do
20
that.
21
know, you don't want to be burning up all your money
22
fighting these fools.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
I mean -- I mean, from a cost perspective, you
Right.
But -- but, I mean, Court of
Federal Claims you don't necessarily have to have a
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lawyer to do that; you can just go in and file.
2
guess my question is, they've already started it.
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
Correct.
The guys at CW Resources, I guess,
5
is who got it, right?
6
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
Correct.
And I think they did have all the
8
qualifications pretty much.
9
far as I know, they've already started it.
I think they did.
telling you at the committee that they haven't
11
assigned it?
13
But as
So who's
10
12
I
What are they talking about?
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah, the -- I forget who -- they
talked with -- I spoke with my attorney, Dan.
14
MS. ROBINSON:
15
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
Somebody in the regulatory -- I
16
forget the -- I will ask for him.
17
the exact title of this individual.
18
lady who said, oh, no, no, that that contract -- that
19
contract has not been assigned yet because we know
20
that --
21
MS. ROBINSON:
22
MR. LOPEZ:
23
MS. ROBINSON:
24
MR. LOPEZ:
25
MS. ROBINSON:
I will ask him for
I think it's a
Kim Zeich?
I think so.
I think so.
She's the deputy director.
Yeah.
But, I mean, they're going to do
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whatever -- whatever NISH tells them to do.
2
that's their problem.
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
I mean,
Correct, correct.
They're in it as deep as -- as the
NISH folks, if not deeper.
6
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
7
MS. ROBINSON:
What do you think --
And then I had another interesting
8
development, a very fine, upstanding Hispanic
9
gentleman who works for PCSI, Steve Garcia, he blew
10
the whistle on PCSI.
11
MR. LOPEZ:
12
MS. ROBINSON:
Yes.
And David really needed
13
(unintelligible) on this.
But he blew the whistle.
14
Actually, he blew the whistle to Elizabeth in response
15
to the conference.
16
billing the government for, you know, projects they're
17
not claiming, blah blah blah blah, and he blew it
18
pretty darn good.
19
conference, I met with the guy.
20
whistleblower --
He said, you know, these guys are
And then when we were at the
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
I met with the
Yes.
-- to get his story, and we had
23
lunch, and I think he's retired military, I mean, you
24
know, a straight guy.
25
know, sensationalize or make a buck.
He's not out to try to, you
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MR. LOPEZ:
Sure.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
He just felt like he was the fall
3
guy because he took over as contract manager and
4
they -- it's like a border station, and they weren't
5
claiming it, but they were charging for it and billing
6
for it.
7
government like a hundred thousand dollars.
8
9
Anyway, they ended up paying back the
Now, they had that project before he took over,
and what they did was said, well, when you took
10
over -- they made him the fall guy -- when you took
11
over, you should have inspected every inch of it, and
12
you got a lot of nerve blowing a whistle because
13
you're blowing the whistle on yourself because you
14
were the manager of that project, and he's like -- and
15
this guy was like, bullshit, I mean, yes, I probably
16
should have caught it, but you guys did everything to
17
make sure I didn't, and he had a bunch of e-mails.
18
Anyway, he was a pretty upstanding guy, I thought.
19
mean, I don't know him well or anything.
20
him once.
21
I
I only met
But long story short, he articulated his
22
concerns, and then I took his concerns and sent them
23
to the committee and said, PCSI is violating
24
AbilityOne rules according to this guy, and you need
25
to conduct an investigation, and you need to get it
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fixed.
2
and e-mailed me the other day.
3
4
Well, the guy e-mailed me -- no.
MR. LOPEZ:
He called me
They fired him.
They fired him.
Oh, that's
beautiful.
5
MS. ROBINSON:
6
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
Fired the guy.
That's beautiful.
Yeah.
No.
They fired him.
8
it's probably not beautiful to him.
9
support his family, but --
10
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
11
just I can't understand.
12
MS. ROBINSON:
No, no.
Well,
He's got to
I'm saying, it's
And the commission, they wouldn't
13
even -- I mean, what I do is, you know, I do what I
14
can do in terms of getting them the information --
15
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
16
MS. ROBINSON:
-- and laying it out, and then
17
they're supposed to go and investigate it and check it
18
out.
19
and the bad guys and they say, so what you got to say
20
about this one, what's the party line?
21
the party line, and then nothing happens.
22
I saw Dennis Lockard the other day at the meeting, I
23
said, you know, PCSI fired the whistleblower, and that
24
was just damn right stupid.
25
Instead what they do is call up Bob and the --
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
They give them
And so when
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MS. ROBINSON:
2
you're kidding me.
He said:
Well, why
3
would they go and do something like that?
It's just
4
going to piss the guy off.
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
MS. ROBINSON:
But he looked at me, and he said,
I said, no.
Right.
I said, well, I just wanted you to
7
be aware that the guy has been fired and -- you know,
8
and that's not right when people whistle blow with
9
False Claims Act stuff and they turn around and fire
10
them.
I said, I didn't say that -- I mean, the guy
11
himself said, yeah, maybe he could have caught it or
12
whatever before he did, but to make him the fall guy
13
and fire him is just wrong.
14
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
15
MS. ROBINSON:
It is just really, really wrong.
16
And you guys didn't do a damn thing with all the stuff
17
I sent over to you, but I just keep sending it.
18
don't care what they do.
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
I
I mean, I do care, but --
Yeah.
-- you know what I mean.
21
just looked.
22
Friday, him and his wife, Dennis.
23
that before.
So he
And then I ran into him in Costco on
I've never done
Dennis Lockard.
24
MR. LOPEZ:
Yes.
25
MS. ROBINSON:
And I said -- he said, boy, we
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just had a rough spell of it.
So on David's letter
2
about the conflict of interest, they're supposed to be
3
investigating that, and I did something really --
4
really, really that I thought was kind of cool on that
5
one.
6
by point in David's letter, and I said -- because what
7
happened was, he sent it to the commission, and then
8
the commission turned around and dropped it my lap and
9
said, you investigate it.
What I did on that one was, I went through point
I'm not supposed to
10
investigate it; it was to you.
So what I'll do is
11
I'll gather all the information for you.
So what I did was I said, like David says, Dan
12
13
Woods, you know, went there and blah blah blah,
14
whatever his points were, I said -- I did a quick
15
inquiry, and I went point by point, everything that
16
Mr. Gonzales said is true.
17
data for you.
18
I've given you e-mails.
19
the -- it was the thickest damn binder in the world.
20
So I passed it all to them, and of course they don't
21
want to do anything with it.
Now, I've gathered all the
You can conduct your own investigation.
22
MR. LOPEZ:
23
MS. ROBINSON:
So I gave them like -- it was
Right.
You know, because these are their
24
boys.
PCSI is their boy.
They're not going to do
25
anything to PRIDE, PCSI, ServiceSource.
You know,
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they're not going to do anything to those people.
2
Even when they get caught dead wrong, they don't do
3
anything to them.
4
where, you know, we kind of forced -- I mean, I kind
5
of forced that.
6
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
But there's a nice paper trail
Right.
But I forced them to write -- so
8
they write me back and tell me it's none of your
9
business and we're doing -- we're taking action, blah
10
blah blah, and they aren't really doing shit.
Now, on
11
this one, that's what they did to this guy, and I feel
12
badly for him.
13
don't really know him well, but I do need to call him
14
back and say -- oh, so what he did was -- I did call
15
him back, and then we didn't speak.
16
dentist or something.
17
says, Jean, here's a copy of my termination letter,
18
I'd suspect you'd probably want that, because
19
basically what they said is they fired him for -- you
20
know, for rolling over on them.
I have not called him back because I
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
He was at the
So he wrote me an e-mail that
Wow.
I mean, not the smartest.
Now,
23
their counsel is Eric Balbosa, who's also a Hispanic
24
gentleman, who this guy, the whistleblower, really
25
kind of trusted, and I didn't really know how to tell
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him, you know.
2
MR. LOPEZ:
Don't.
3
MS. ROBINSON:
4
MR. LOPEZ:
5
MS. ROBINSON:
Don't, don't, don't.
Yeah.
But he did.
And, you know, Eric
6
was behind -- because I was arguing with Eric at the
7
conference.
8
wrong.
9
guys -- you know, you guys ought to back up, and then
I'm like -- he's like, well, this guy is
I'm like, well, he's not really wrong, and you
10
they go and fire the poor man.
11
I don't think he'll sit still, because, like I said, I
12
think he's former military, and, you know, he's a --
13
he's a smart guy.
14
MR. LOPEZ:
15
MS. ROBINSON:
16
MR. LOPEZ:
17
MS. ROBINSON:
18
Right.
His name is what?
Older gentleman.
What is his name?
But he really -- I felt badly
because he really agonized about coming forward.
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
23
with him.
24
fire the guy.
25
So they fired him, and
Sure.
No.
Like lost a lot of sleep.
I understand.
Was very, very nervous when I met
You know, and then they turn around and
MR. LOPEZ:
Where does he live?
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2
MS. ROBINSON:
Texas.
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
San Antonio?
Texas.
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
9
10
Yeah.
So he's in -- is he in
I'm not sure.
6
8
He is in -- well, PCSI is in
Laredo maybe?
Laredo, Texas?
I've got his address because I had
to write him a letter.
MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
MS. ROBINSON:
I mean, that would be on the
11
letter.
12
get to because, you know, he shouldn't have been
13
fired.
14
But he's a guy who hopefully somebody will
MR. LOPEZ:
Right, right.
He reminds -- this
15
situation reminds me of the drug cartel and when they
16
have the police officers bought.
17
MS. ROBINSON:
18
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
And you have informants that go to
19
the police, and the police turns over and says, hey,
20
it's this guy and this guy, handle it.
21
MS. ROBINSON:
22
MR. LOPEZ:
23
MS. ROBINSON:
Right, right.
And then it's over.
Well, David should definitely get
24
to him because he's a PCSI former employee.
25
we had a -- and it just happened.
And then
It just happened on
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the firing.
But, you know, these people are out of
2
control, because that's out of control.
3
Bob and Dennis, and I say, hey, you know, I got bad
4
news today, they fired the whistleblower.
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
MS. ROBINSON:
7
right to do that.
8
conferred, but -MR. LOPEZ:
9
10
So I go to
Right.
So, well, you know, that's their
I mean, I think they all kind of
Sure.
MS. ROBINSON:
-- you know, I couldn't prove it.
11
So I just said, well, that's really unfortunate, I
12
don't think he'll just sit still.
13
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct, correct.
14
MS. ROBINSON:
15
MR. LOPEZ:
16
MS. ROBINSON:
No.
You know, and nor should he.
Yeah.
Because when he blew the whistle
17
on them, they did have to pay I think like a hundred
18
thousand dollars back to the government, at least
19
that's what they told us, so it may have even been
20
more.
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
23
24
25
Right.
But the bottomline is that that
poor guy is out of a job because these guys are thugs.
MR. LOPEZ:
Have any of your clients, meaning
Bob, Dennis, Martin Williams, have they ever had any
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experience with the courts or with law enforcement?
2
MS. ROBINSON:
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
5
No.
No, no.
So they don't know.
They have no
context as to -MS. ROBINSON:
The only experience they had was
6
in the NCED thing where they had to go down and
7
testify --
8
MR. LOPEZ:
That's nothing.
9
MS. ROBINSON:
-- and be somewhat -- I don't want
10
to say sequestered, but be, you know -- that was the
11
only part of a court -- court thing they've ever had
12
to do.
13
MR. LOPEZ:
14
MS. ROBINSON:
15
Okay.
So they have no --
So they've been running through
the raindrops a long time without getting wet.
16
MR. LOPEZ:
Yep, yep, yep.
17
of how serious it is.
18
MS. ROBINSON:
19
MR. LOPEZ:
And they have no idea
They have no idea.
No, huh-uh, huh-uh.
Okay.
Well, but you know I do.
20
That's why when I tell you something it's going to
21
be the truth, because I know exactly what the truth
22
means.
23
all the facts that exist on any given subject.
We've been trained to understand.
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
MR. LOPEZ:
Truth is
Yeah.
And your client is woefully lacking
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in that.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
That's the best way to put it.
3
No, they don't get it, and what happens is they get
4
emboldened as -- as we win cases or things, you know,
5
get quiet or whatever, you know, it just emboldens
6
them more because they don't understand the
7
seriousness of it all.
8
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct, correct.
9
MS. ROBINSON:
And they don't -- and they don't
10
really care.
I mean, they're just playing with, you
11
know, people's lives and -- and, you know, looking to
12
see what future they can create for themselves.
13
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah, yeah.
14
MS. ROBINSON:
So, you know, I don't know.
I
15
think that, you know, if the OIG ever figures out
16
about Barone and Chamberlin and now Bob Turner and all
17
these connections, Jamie and Windbush, I mean, you
18
know, once they start pulling that string, they'll get
19
there.
20
MR. LOPEZ:
21
MS. ROBINSON:
22
it.
Right.
That's the --
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
But, you know, they've got to pull
time they will.
Right.
That's the thing, and maybe in due
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MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
But David got his case remanded to
3
state court.
That should be good for him because at
4
least it will be in his backyard.
5
MR. LOPEZ:
True, true, true.
6
MS. ROBINSON:
And not in the federal courts.
7
But that -- that diminishes any possibility of the
8
committee or the commission being pulled in --
9
10
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
MS. ROBINSON:
-- which is somewhat of a shame
11
because they're really endorsing.
12
David.
13
I don't know who wants David gone the most, the
14
commission or NISH senior management.
15
that one out, but it's -- but it's probably about
16
equal.
17
18
I mean, they want David's head on a platter.
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
I can't figure
And they wrote something
regarding David, the commission did?
19
MS. ROBINSON:
20
wrote a letter to David.
21
Didn't I tell you?
22
with Tony Poleo.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
And they're after
Oh, the commission, you know, they
I guess they wrote to David.
They told David don't interact
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And Tony Poleo was going to --
because he's an ass too, the chair.
Tina is telling
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me they wanted to bring some kind of action against
2
David --
3
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
corresponding with them.
6
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
-- for talking to them and
Right, right, right.
He was harassing them
8
and -- yeah, he's definitely on their radar, without
9
question.
10
MR. LOPEZ:
11
MS. ROBINSON:
12
Yeah.
I mean, but --
But you're on there too, but to a
lesser extent.
13
MR. LOPEZ:
I don't know.
Tony, Tony, he's --
14
you know, he's a devious gentleman.
15
what he pulled on me in San Antonio.
16
I now have interacted with him four times.
17
time was shortly before I went to D.C., and I was
18
kindly invited by wise members of NISH back then to
19
participate in this Congressmen lobbying situation.
20
MS. ROBINSON:
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
huh?
Let me tell you
Now, Tony Poleo,
The first
Uh-huh, uh-huh.
But when I -Grassroots thing.
Exactly.
And so the --
You didn't get invited this time,
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2
MR. LOPEZ:
I don't know why.
I don't know why
they leave one of their -- in any event, I talked --
3
MS. ROBINSON:
Now, wait.
Did they reimburse --
4
I just figured out this time that they -- that they
5
reimburse everybody for that.
6
Did they pay you for that?
7
8
MR. LOPEZ:
No, no, no, not at all.
I didn't
know -- I had no idea they were supposed to.
MS. ROBINSON:
9
10
Did they reimburse you?
you.
I meant to double-check that with
I'm glad you brought that up.
11
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
12
MS. ROBINSON:
No.
Because I found out -- this is
13
what happened.
They filed a lobbying and disclosure
14
report with me the other day, and I said, why is this
15
number so big?
16
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
17
MS. ROBINSON:
And they said, well, part of it's
18
the consultants.
I said:
19
And what's the rest of it?
20
grassroots members, we pay for -- you know, their stay
21
is what I mean and their travel.
22
MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, my.
23
MS. ROBINSON:
Okay.
I understand that.
Well, we pay for the
No.
And I said, oh, no wonder Ruben
24
couldn't get an invitation.
That's what I told Omar.
25
No wonder (unintelligible).
So you never put your
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money in and you never got reimbursed?
2
MR. LOPEZ:
3
MS. ROBINSON:
4
MR. LOPEZ:
5
I never got reimbursed, no.
I think I'm going to have to do that
through my good friend Dave Dubinsky.
6
MS. ROBINSON:
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
10
11
12
13
14
Well, you ought to do that.
He's --
Did you get your software yet?
Not yet.
No, no.
They said you won't call them back
or something.
MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, we're calling them back.
obviously calling them back.
MS. ROBINSON:
ahead.
Absolutely.
All right.
Go ahead.
I'm sorry, I interrupted you.
MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, no, no.
We're
But go
Go ahead.
No problem.
A while --
15
a little, you know, before then I introduced myself to
16
Tony Poleo, and I said, I'm with Bona Fide.
17
your name sounds familiar, Bona Fide.
18
the case was settled here in Vegas.
19
okay, okay.
20
in good faith, I'm sure we will work things out.
21
said, okay, well, thank you, I'm happy to hear that.
22
And that's it.
He goes, oh,
He
I left it very brief.
MS. ROBINSON:
24
MR. LOPEZ:
resolved.
This is before
I said, don't worry, Tony, we're working
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He said,
Okay.
That was before the Vegas case was
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MS. ROBINSON:
2
MR. LOPEZ:
That's pretty harmless.
Okay.
So the next time I say hello.
So he -- he recognizes me.
Oh,
3
great, fine.
Third time
4
he recognizes me.
5
Antonio, I bring Andrea from H2M Hill, right, to
6
introduce her to him, and this gentleman looks at me
7
and says, I have seen you before, haven't I?
Now, this fourth time in San
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
MR. LOPEZ:
Who said this?
Tony Poleo, to me in front of her, in
10
other words, disrespecting me, saying, I don't know
11
who you are.
12
MS. ROBINSON:
13
MR. LOPEZ:
I understand.
I understand.
I have seen you before, haven't I?
14
And I'm thinking to myself, not only have you seen me,
15
but we've had -- we've had serious, you know,
16
interaction over some case that you're very well aware
17
of.
18
MS. ROBINSON:
19
you say to him?
20
MR. LOPEZ:
And what did you say?
I said:
Oh, once or twice we've had
21
to interact, Mr. Poleo.
22
That's what I said to him.
23
24
25
MS. ROBINSON:
I do remember that myself.
Yeah.
Trying to scare CMH2 Hill
from doing business with you.
MR. LOPEZ:
What did
Exactly, exactly.
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4
5
MS. ROBINSON:
No.
I get it.
MR. LOPEZ:
So, yeah.
No.
I understand their
one hand washes the other and -MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah, and he's a -- he's a
character.
7
really did want to go after David.
I mean, he really is.
8
MR. LOPEZ:
9
MS. ROBINSON:
And I guess Justice talked him out
of it, but -MR. LOPEZ:
12
MS. ROBINSON:
14
But he was -- he
Huh.
11
13
I get
it.
6
10
I get it.
But why would he -He really was wanting to make
those waves.
MR. LOPEZ:
That means that he's tainted, because
15
someone in his position would want to know what's
16
happening, would want to know why this --
17
MS. ROBINSON:
18
wants you guys gone.
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
But he doesn't want to know.
He
Very well.
And he's pretty vocal about it.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
I mean, he -- I was
23
surprised that he was so strong on it, you know, and
24
all it does is, like I said, embolden my client, and
25
they don't need much encouragement, you know.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Right, right.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
Like what does he say?
But when they get it, you know,
3
they get it big time.
4
MR. LOPEZ:
What does Tony say about us, Bona
5
Fide and David, Portco?
6
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, I've only heard him ask if
7
he could sue -- he's been all over top of Dennis
8
Lockard to bring charges against David for harassment,
9
and -- and David -- did David ever show you a letter
10
he got from the commission telling him to back off of
11
Tony?
12
13
14
MR. LOPEZ:
He didn't show it to me, but he read
it to me.
MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah, yeah.
And so during that
15
time Bob and Jim Barone and the rest of them were
16
pretty gleeful, because they said, yeah, well, you
17
know, one thing about Dennis as counsel, he fights
18
back, and you don't fight these guys back.
19
looking into -- they're trying to sue David for
20
harassment because he keeps going and violating the
21
rules, but he keeps going directly to the commission
22
members, and that's against the rules, and, you know,
23
they went on and on, and they were pretty gleeful
24
about it.
25
luck to Tony on that.
Dennis is
And I said, well, good luck to him, good
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MR. LOPEZ:
Sure, sure.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
I don't know.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean --
So then I didn't hear
3
any more, and then when I saw Dennis, I said, Dennis,
4
what's this I hear about you trying to go after David
5
on behalf of -- he said, well, hopefully my letter
6
will modify his behavior, but I wrote him a strong,
7
nasty letter explaining to him, you know, the rules of
8
the road, telling him to back off of Tony.
9
10
11
MR. LOPEZ:
What do these people -- what do they
think about the GAO report?
MS. ROBINSON:
I mean --
Oh, they're fine with it, I mean,
12
because it implicates the commission more than it
13
implicates NISH.
14
David keeps pointing out the two or three sentences in
15
there where they talk about lack of transparency and
16
some other stuff, but it didn't phase them, because
17
they thought it was going to be much worse and they
18
thought that the -- now, an interesting thing did
19
happen.
20
said they were going to do a story on it, and both NIB
21
and NISH declined to participate or be responsive, and
22
I saw the list of questions, you know, they talk about
23
compensation, talk about all kinds of stuff, and we
24
never saw the article, though.
25
surfaced.
There are a couple -- you know,
SHRM, Society of Human Resources Management,
It never -- it never
And I kept telling them, SHRM used to be a
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client of mine, I don't even understand why they would
2
have an interest in this, you know, it's not their --
3
it's not their wheelhouse.
4
But the bottomline is they feel good about the
5
GAO report because they feel like it really didn't,
6
you know, hurt NISH very much or SourceAmerica but
7
that it hurt the committee more, and the committee was
8
trying to get more money out of it to say, we would do
9
more, but we're resource-challenged.
And, you know,
10
the outside lawyer said, well, I've never seen a GAO
11
report where they don't say they should -- they should
12
get an Inspector General, and so that's pretty
13
commonplace.
14
it.
15
But they didn't have much reaction to
I mean, they're feeling fine about it.
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
I mean, one thing I noticed
16
the report -- I mean, in the response to the report,
17
the GAO gives them an option, that is, the commission,
18
to have a different non -- essential nonprofit, which
19
can easily be done.
20
MS. ROBINSON:
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
23
Right, right.
And they never -- they glossed over
that and never even addressed it.
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, because they know -- well,
24
they don't care, because they're all working together,
25
so, you know, they're not going to -- they know that
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the commission is never going to do away with it.
2
Do you understand?
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
Yes, yes.
I mean, at least not with the
present staff that's there and the present leadership.
6
MR. LOPEZ:
Which -- which goes back to what I'm
7
saying.
8
government agency, that this under -MS. ROBINSON:
9
10
11
The commission is a bought law enforcement
MR. LOPEZ:
-- that the organized crime have in
their pocket.
12
MS. ROBINSON:
13
MR. LOPEZ:
14
They know they're not going to be
MS. ROBINSON:
Right.
Exactly.
Because Tina
wants to move on to higher and better places.
17
MR. LOPEZ:
18
MS. ROBINSON:
19
Yeah.
touched by them.
15
16
Yes.
Right, right, right, right.
So, yeah.
I mean, they're not --
they're not worried about it in the least.
20
MR. LOPEZ:
Well, okay.
21
MS. ROBINSON:
Now, the commission is crazy
22
enough and dirty enough that if they could have gotten
23
the government to give them more money out of the
24
deal.
25
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
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MS. ROBINSON:
You know, they don't mind being
2
called inefficient if they end up getting, you know,
3
ten more people or, you know.
4
MR. LOPEZ:
5
MS. ROBINSON:
6
money or whatever.
7
okay with them.
8
MR. LOPEZ:
9
MS. ROBINSON:
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
Right, right.
MR. LOPEZ:
Well, it's -- it's going to be
interesting.
MS. ROBINSON:
That's kind of where they were on
that one.
MR. LOPEZ:
Well, we will have to keep reflecting
on the chess board, Jean.
MS. ROBINSON:
bunch.
Well, you know, they're a tough
They're -- they're a tough bunch, Ruben.
20
MS. ROBINSON:
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
25
So, yeah, they weren't too phased
by it, and they thought they came out well.
MR. LOPEZ:
24
You know, that -- that would be
Right, right, right, right.
19
23
Or a better piece of the NISH
Yeah.
They're very tough.
But we're -- but they're dealing -And they're lucky.
They've got
a little bit of luck going.
MR. LOPEZ:
Rome used to say.
I would agree, but then that's what
That's what --
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MS. ROBINSON:
Well, no.
I mean, you know,
everybody's luck runs out at some point now.
3
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
4
MS. ROBINSON:
I'm not crazy.
But the thing that
5
I think is critical now is the media doesn't seem to
6
have the same fear in attacking them as -- and that
7
vehicle -- I mean, GAO, Inspector General, DOD,
8
everybody is sort of walking on eggshells.
9
10
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
MS. ROBINSON:
The media could give a shit, as
11
you can tell by the Rock Center report and some of the
12
other stuff.
13
MR. LOPEZ:
14
MS. ROBINSON:
15
Right, right.
They don't really care.
And then
Vince Martinez is one of the commission members.
16
MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
17
MS. ROBINSON:
The commission members -- that if
18
you want to make any headway there, the commission
19
members that will be open-minded and will actually
20
give them crap and give them pushback would be Karen
21
McCulloh and Martinez.
22
23
MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
They're on the commission,
these two individuals?
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
MR. LOPEZ:
Yes.
They're commission members.
Are they --
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MS. ROBINSON:
They're asking some pretty pointed
2
questions, and they're getting kind of wise to the
3
things.
4
MR. LOPEZ:
I see.
I see.
And these two
5
individuals, are they -- are they employees, or are
6
they representatives from federal agencies?
7
8
9
10
MS. ROBINSON:
No, no, no.
They're actual
commission members.
MR. LOPEZ:
Okay, okay.
MS. ROBINSON:
One is a private citizen, and I
11
think the other one, I understand, I think she
12
represents the Department of Labor, I think.
13
MR. LOPEZ:
14
MS. ROBINSON:
15
the Kool-Aid.
Okay, okay, okay.
So, you know, she has not drank
They have not drank the Kool-Aid.
16
MR. LOPEZ:
Yet.
17
MS. ROBINSON:
Okay.
Karen probably could go either
18
way, but, nah, I don't think so.
19
they're pretty open-minded.
20
a hard case on the 8-A graduates --
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
23
They -- like I said,
Poleo also has
What do you mean?
-- and that whole angle, the
whole old David Dubinsky story.
24
MR. LOPEZ:
Who's Volayho?
25
MS. ROBINSON:
Poleo, Tony Poleo.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, Poleo, Tony Poleo.
Oh, he
doesn't like him.
3
MS. ROBINSON:
4
issues all around.
5
they got a new guy coming in, what's his name,
6
Kesteloot.
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
10
from yet.
No, no, no.
He -- oh, he just has
And, you know, he's the chair, and
Okay.
I don't know where he's coming
I mean, usually the people in officer
positions are not ones that are amenable to change.
11
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct, correct.
12
MS. ROBINSON:
13
MR. LOPEZ:
14
MS. ROBINSON:
Unfortunately.
Yeah.
But, yeah, I mean, it's -- it's
15
sort of the same old same old, but the thing that's
16
important for you guys is not to miss these big
17
opportunities that are coming on line, and I think you
18
are missing them.
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
21
22
Well, you know, we -- we -What's the last thing you applied
for?
MR. LOPEZ:
The last thing we applied for was
23
the NGA, you know, the National Geopositional Agency
24
there in -- close to you, Virginia, I think it was,
25
but they shut it down on us.
We don't know what they
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did, and every time I --
2
MS. ROBINSON:
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
MS. ROBINSON:
Whatever happened to Fort Rutger?
I don't -Do you know?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Yeah, that's one that will be
7
interesting.
8
whenever I talk to people, and I don't know if I -- I
9
don't know if it's upstairs or where I have them, but
10
David, I think -- I don't know if he had put -- so the
11
last thing you applied for was St. E's, or no?
MR. LOPEZ:
12
13
No.
It was the National Geospatial
Agency there or Geopositional.
MS. ROBINSON:
14
15
I had a stack of letters on the side
And who did they give that to?
ServiceSource?
16
MR. LOPEZ:
No.
Actually, that -- they pulled it
17
off.
They said, you know, the customer didn't want to
18
discuss it at the moment.
19
one.
20
MS. ROBINSON:
21
they did that to David.
22
MR. LOPEZ:
23
two months ago.
And then they had another
They did that to you too?
I know
When did they do that to you?
They did that to me two months ago,
But this is interesting.
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
MR. LOPEZ:
David apply for that one too?
I think he did.
Yes, I think he did.
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MS. ROBINSON:
2
MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, okay, okay.
I'm not sure.
I got it.
But I know we were
3
going -- we were going -- we were applying with H2M
4
Hill together, and we were set to go percent, and
5
suddenly that thing went off the radar until further
6
notice.
7
agency a month ago in another state -- I'll get that
8
information to you.
9
said, top security; you could not apply unless you had
10
This is the interesting part.
That same
They came up, but it was, as you
top security.
11
MS. ROBINSON:
That's the new -- that's why you
12
want you to keep hitting that.
13
saying, you guys are using that to filter out, and
14
that if that's the only kind of line of business of
15
work, then maybe it doesn't belong in the AbilityOne
16
program.
17
MR. LOPEZ:
18
MS. ROBINSON:
19
Correct.
Because that would just limit the
pool to a very small number of CRPs.
20
21
I want you to keep
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
PRIDE, and the other one
is --
22
MS. ROBINSON:
23
MR. LOPEZ:
ServiceSource.
ServiceSource, yeah.
And so that's
24
why we couldn't apply for this last one.
25
impossible.
It was
I mean, we really -- oh, because this is
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interesting.
2
St. Elizabeth we said, we don't have -- we have a top
3
security clearance, we have members in our board that
4
have top security clearance, and we submitted them.
5
So they thought about it.
6
it had to be the organization had to be top security
7
clearance, not --
8
9
The first one they said that -- with
MS. ROBINSON:
The next time, for this one
But doesn't that go with the
contract, Ruben?
10
MR. LOPEZ:
In some areas it does.
11
MS. ROBINSON:
Isn't it chicken and egg?
I mean,
12
how can you have a top security clearance for an
13
organization -- for a facility that you don't have
14
work in?
15
MR. LOPEZ:
16
MS. ROBINSON:
17
Correct.
You can't, right?
MR. LOPEZ:
18
It's impossible.
Which I don't understand that.
I mean, you can't.
You can't.
And you know the only --
19
the other interesting thing is, they said, the agency
20
will not sponsor you.
21
if an agency wants a top security clearance contractor
22
and they're not willing to sponsor it, that's unheard
23
of.
As an individual --
24
25
So I'm thinking, wait a minute,
MS. ROBINSON:
yeah.
Yeah, that's what I -- yeah, yeah,
I know, I know, and that's --
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MR. LOPEZ:
As an individual, I get it, yes, an
2
individual, you can't come to work with us unless you
3
have top security clearance.
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
Right.
Because they're expecting you to come
from DOD, DOJ --
7
MS. ROBINSON:
8
MR. LOPEZ:
9
That's understandable.
Right.
-- something.
That I understand.
But as an agency?
10
MS. ROBINSON:
11
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
It's unheard of.
They have to
12
sponsor you if they want you to have top security
13
clearance as an agency.
14
MS. ROBINSON:
15
MR. LOPEZ:
16
That's unheard of.
Yes, yes.
So that's where the manipulation from
SourceAmerica comes in to the contracting officer.
17
MS. ROBINSON:
18
MR. LOPEZ:
19
MS. ROBINSON:
This was just Martin and Joe.
Exactly, exactly.
Yeah, because they're on a
20
mission.
21
nights, he has such disdain for you.
22
23
24
25
I mean, Joe -- you're causing Joe sleepless
MR. LOPEZ:
Well, I hope -- I hope it doesn't
stunt him from growing, but -MS. ROBINSON:
did already.
Well, it did.
It did already.
But, seriously, he just -- I mean, he
It
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just breathes fire at the mention of your name.
MR. LOPEZ:
I have to tell you on the other end
3
of the spectrum, Jean, I have 195 fruit trees in my --
4
around my house, a beautiful orchard.
5
hammock, and I often sit in my hammock with my guitar
6
and a little pina colada and leave it to God, knowing
7
that God will handle this.
8
9
MS. ROBINSON:
MR. LOPEZ:
11
MS. ROBINSON:
13
You know, sometimes God
doesn't work as fast as we'd like him too, though.
10
12
Yes.
I have a
But it does.
So knowing that --
But he does, yes, I agree.
Yes,
he does.
MR. LOPEZ:
That's why I don't have sleepless
14
nights.
15
okay, I know you're going to help me with this, and
16
you know what, it helps me, no sleepless nights here.
17
18
19
20
I lay the matter in front of him and say,
MS. ROBINSON:
Now, did you have any conversation
with David Dubinsky about Joe's behavior?
MR. LOPEZ:
No, not about Joe's behavior.
Oh,
wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
21
MS. ROBINSON:
22
MR. LOPEZ:
David --
Yes, I did.
Let me tell you what
23
I -- and obviously, you know, I always tell you the
24
truth to the best of my ability.
25
MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah.
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MR. LOPEZ:
When I found out that GSA did not
2
require top security clearance for the St. Elizabeth,
3
I said, David, I almost feel sorry for Joe, I almost
4
feel sorry for Joe, because this is not right.
5
did tell him that.
6
MS. ROBINSON:
Um-hmm.
Yes, I
Well, Martin makes up
7
these dumb schemes, and then poor Joe tries to carry
8
them off.
9
mean, you know, because, you know, that -- that one is
That's the only thing I can think of, I
10
so easy to check on.
11
MR. LOPEZ:
12
13
was it?
I mean, that's just so silly.
Right.
It reminds me of the -- what
The Little Rascals.
MS. ROBINSON:
Right.
You have the -But tomorrow I'm going to
14
send Joe an e-mail, because it's the day before we
15
leave to the board meeting, that says, you know, you
16
wrote me on Thursday saying that -- let me see what he
17
said, because it's a voicemail that's pretty funny.
18
Let me see if I can -- that I thought was funny.
19
never responded to it.
20
in the meantime he was trying to fire a West Point
21
graduate, a minority gentleman who Joe was trying to
22
fire on Friday.
23
put in writing that they could do it but it would be
24
against my recommendation.
25
MR. LOPEZ:
I
I got a little busy, because
So I had to literally go there and
A West Point graduate, fire him?
Oh,
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my goodness.
2
What, do these people have no limits?
MS. ROBINSON:
It's just -- yeah, they don't,
3
they don't.
4
bunch of stuff that I don't have, but that Dennis and
5
Bob are well aware of all of this, and I'm like, are
6
you sure, because, you know, I didn't know that part.
7
You know, I never -- I always get my surprises too.
8
But let me see if I can find this thing, because it
9
will be your -- in the conversation it will be your
10
entertainment for tonight, if I can find the stupid
11
thing.
Yeah.
12
And the guy told me that -- there's a
So much bullshit in the last few weeks.
13
It was Friday, I think.
14
statement from GSA."
Let's see what he wrote.
15
wrote to Mike Robel.
Is that how you pronounce his
16
name?
17
MR. LOPEZ:
18
MS. ROBINSON:
"FYI:
Mike Robel?
Okay.
We are waiting for a
He
Yes.
"Good afternoon, Mike.
Per
19
our conversation, could you please forward a statement
20
regarding the security level requirements for the
21
St. E's project to my CEO, Dennis Fields?
22
courtesy copied Mr. Fields to ease your response.
23
greatly appreciate your attention to this matter and
24
support the AbilityOne program."
25
All right.
Hold on a minute.
I have
That's one.
I
And
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then he copies me and says:
2
the statement from GSA."
3
actually chuckled.
4
MR. LOPEZ:
5
well, they're trying.
6
fault them for that.
7
"FYI.
That was Friday the 19th.
Yep, yep.
MS. ROBINSON:
We are awaiting
I
Well, that's going to --
They're trying.
Can't -- can't
But, no, because he said you were
8
a liar, and I said, prove it.
9
result of.
But, no.
That's what that's the
I want to -- I want you to hear
10
this.
Bona Fide, Portco.
Maybe it was -- I thought
11
it was right after.
12
have left it on my phone, which is why I can't find
13
it.
14
together, so let me see.
15
the night.
16
I get terrible reception down here.
17
in the basement here.
18
MR. LOPEZ:
19
MS. ROBINSON:
Let me just search.
He might
All our e-mails and phone is all connected
It would be entertaining for
Where's my phone?
I'm down in my office.
Let me see.
I'm
Is that you?
No, no, no.
It's just -- oh, Bob
20
Chamberlin called me today.
Imagine that.
21
he want?
That's cute, Bob.
22
cute.
23
I'm stupid, but anyway.
(Unintelligible).
That's cute.
24
MR. LOPEZ:
25
MS. ROBINSON:
What did
That's
Sometimes they just really think
Wow.
Let's see.
Joe Diaz.
But it was
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well worth listening to.
2
on one minute.
3
4
MR. LOPEZ:
here.
5
Maybe I archived it.
Take your time.
Hold
It's early over
Sorry about being late for you.
MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah.
Not so early over here, but
6
my little one, as I said, is at gramma's, so I got a
7
little -- a little freedom.
8
heck.
9
it.
Bona Fide, Portco.
I'm not seeing where the
But I laughed when I heard
I was like -- maybe this is it.
No.
He's like,
10
I don't really want to -- he didn't want to do -- he
11
didn't want to get the proof, and he said, I don't
12
know what Ruben is accusing me of.
13
MR. LOPEZ:
But I'm not accusing him of anything.
14
I'm just saying that is not a fact, we know it's not a
15
fact.
16
behind --
I didn't even know that it was he who was
17
MS. ROBINSON:
18
MR. LOPEZ:
He's taking it very personal.
Well, I'm just stating facts.
It's
19
business, nothing personal; but if he's involved, then
20
I'm sorry, he's involved.
21
MS. ROBINSON:
So he sends me a note:
22
have any HR updates for me?
23
something -- he can't spell.
24
well.
25
guy they're trying to fire from West Point?
Do you
And then I send him back
The guy can't write very
I sent him back something saying:
Who's the
I have
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reviewed all of the materials on this and would like
2
to discuss with you, Becky, and Tina.
3
I would not recommend termination based on materials
4
provided to me.
5
we meet.
6
At this point
I will explain my recommendation when
And then they gave me a notebook four inches
7
thick, and something just said to me, you don't have
8
the whole story, Jean.
9
and so I was about to do it, and then I said, nah,
10
this doesn't add up, this guy can't be -- this guy
11
can't be this bad.
12
And he had me all convinced,
Anyway, a long story short, he wrote me back
13
immediately.
"I respectively" -- and I think he was
14
trying to say "respectfully" --
15
MR. LOPEZ:
Yes.
16
MS. ROBINSON:
-- "do not understand this
17
recommendation and will go on record that Marty's
18
continued employment is a major disruption to the
19
synergy and morale of the East region."
20
said I will -- with that said -- boy, he was really
21
out there because he's got a lot of typos.
22
said, I will respect your recommendation and look
23
forward to our discussion."
24
he and -- he went over, and Martin and him and Dennis
25
tried to gang up on me on Friday, literally.
With that, I
"With that
But then he didn't.
Then
I mean,
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Martin and Joe camped outside my office, because they
2
were going to fire the guy at 2 o'clock, and I said,
3
you can't do that, and I can't talk to you right now
4
because I'm busy doing something.
5
we're going to do it anyway in 20 minutes.
6
well, suit yourself; but what they didn't count on was
7
that I was going to put it in writing to them.
8
MR. LOPEZ:
9
MS. ROBINSON:
And so Martin said,
I said,
Right.
And that's the part that -- that
10
pissed them off.
Let me just go back a little.
11
anyway, the woman who was helping them with this is
12
now out in your region, Tina Wright.
13
you know who she is?
14
MR. LOPEZ:
Tina Wright.
But,
Who is she?
Do
I just saw an e-mail
15
saying that she was a welcome member in Pacific West.
16
Right?
17
MS. ROBINSON:
18
MR. LOPEZ:
19
MS. ROBINSON:
20
21
22
23
Yeah, she just came out there.
Yeah.
Right.
That's Martin's girl.
That much I
know.
MR. LOPEZ:
heart.
Oh, well, that -- hold still my
I feel -- I feel the warmth already.
MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah.
Well, I was going to tell
24
you, yeah, you can -- I think -- I think she's
25
African-American, but I don't know that for sure.
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Okay.
Steve Garcia termination.
I want to find
2
that from Joe, because it's priceless when I find it.
3
Let's see, we met on the 16th, so it can't be that far
4
back.
5
bad reception down here.
6
worth it if I can find it.
7
Let's see, North Central.
8
9
Let me look on my phone here, which gets very
"Good afternoon.
But it's worth it.
it's
Joe Diaz, where are you?
I'm assuming that you both have
seen David Gonzales's latest correspondence."
This is
10
from Joe.
This was sent out to MPAs in the North
11
Central region.
12
continue to attend all of the NCWCs and do what he
13
does.
14
Friday.
"I'm assuming that David is going to
Enjoy the rest of your weekend."
15
No.
16
Hold on.
17
updates, Cannon and Gray, the commission bullshit.
18
That's exactly what it is.
19
you?
20
able to find it, but -- you never can find it when
21
you're looking for it in a hurry, but let me just take
22
one -- because I thought it was pretty funny to me.
23
It would have been -- okay.
That was
That's St. E's.
Because he was pretty hot with me.
Where are you?
HR
Where are
I probably archived it so I'm not going to be
He insisted on being in the meeting.
I said, I
24
don't need you to meet with Dennis, I want to hear
25
what his response is.
And Joe said, oh, you're making
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way too much out of this security clearance thing.
2
MR. LOPEZ:
3
MS. ROBINSON:
4
5
Hmm.
I said, are you sure?
And he was
like, yeah.
MR. LOPEZ:
I mean, isn't that a conflict of
6
interest when you're supposed to have an individual
7
detached to make a final decision and you -- if the
8
executive director has such direct influence over him,
9
wouldn't it be proper --
10
MS. ROBINSON:
11
Well, I mean, Dennis was just
trying to get information, to be honest.
12
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
13
MS. ROBINSON:
Usually we do keep a firewall, but
14
in this case Dennis didn't have enough to go on
15
because Martin was just going to say no to you no
16
matter what.
17
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
18
MS. ROBINSON:
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
As you well know.
Right, right, right.
So -- what's Joe's number?
I don't know if this is him.
I got
21
a couple here.
Oh,
22
yeah, apparently I archived it to get some room, but,
23
anyway, the bottomline was that he was saying that you
24
were accusing him of something and he didn't
25
understand what you were accusing him of.
It went on
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and on.
2
didn't throw it away.
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
I was just trying to see if I -- I know I
Yeah.
But that's --
Believe me, I didn't throw that
out for sure.
6
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
8
I know I kept it somewhere.
But that's -I'm just not seeing it right this
minute.
MR. LOPEZ:
9
You know, obviously I have nothing
10
against him as an individual.
11
the fact that those -- those issues are not real, and
12
if they were so -- if they were real, he would have
13
gotten an answer from the contracting officer by now.
14
It would have been easy for the contracting officer to
15
just resend an e-mail that he would have sent months
16
ago.
17
him write something new.
18
MS. ROBINSON:
But that's not the case.
I'm just bringing out
They're trying to have
Oh, no, I know, because --
19
because, yeah, it's going to be something newly
20
created, but it's not going to say what he wants it
21
to say.
22
MR. LOPEZ:
23
MS. ROBINSON:
24
it didn't make the mark.
25
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
Of course not.
He gave me a bunch of e-mail, and
Right.
No.
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MS. ROBINSON:
2
to that.
3
guy, huh?
And so let me see if it's attached
"Good afternoon."
4
MR. LOPEZ:
5
MS. ROBINSON:
6
MR. LOPEZ:
You don't know this Mike
Not personally.
Mike Robel, right?
Yeah.
Personally, no, but, I mean, there
7
are other people that are more important than me who
8
know him and got this information.
9
need.
10
MS. ROBINSON:
So that's all I
Well, Mike ain't sent nothing
11
over.
12
I would think the GSA people would be a little gun shy
13
of participating in bullshit.
14
I would think the -- how can I say it to you?
MR. LOPEZ:
They should be because, you know,
15
honesty and truthfulness is now something that needs
16
to be in the forefront of every government action.
17
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, that's what I'm saying, so I
18
would think that they wouldn't necessarily want to get
19
too involved in this crap, but --
20
MR. LOPEZ:
21
MS. ROBINSON:
22
23
be it right here.
"Hey, Jean.
Correct, correct.
So maybe -- maybe -- oh, this may
Hold on now.
I think this is it.
This is Joe Diaz.
I did call and
24
leave a message for that contract officer, the
25
National Capital Region, regarding the topic we
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discussed yesterday, but I do have some concerns,
2
mainly of -- I don't want to be accused of trying
3
to -- I don't know.
4
would go?
5
do something that I'm not.
So I'd like to discuss
6
that with Jim.
Thanks."
7
8
Who in the hell knows where Ruben
But I don't want to be accused of trying to
All right.
MS. ROBINSON:
Can you hear that, or do I need to
play it again?
MR. LOPEZ:
9
10
Play it again.
MS. ROBINSON:
I got some of it.
Hold on, hold on, because I've got
11
to find out where the speaker is on my phone here, I
12
mean, on the -- on the computer.
13
normal computer, right?
14
it's coming out from.
15
"Hey, Jean.
This is not my
I've got to find out where
This is Joe Diaz.
I did call and
16
leave a message for that contract officer, the
17
National Capital Region, regarding the topic we
18
discussed yesterday, but I do have some concerns,
19
mainly of -- I don't want to be accused of -- I don't
20
know.
21
But I don't want to be accused of trying to do
22
something that I'm not.
23
with Jim.
Who in the hell knows where Ruben would go?
All right.
24
MR. LOPEZ:
25
MS. ROBINSON:
So I'd like to discuss that
Thanks."
Wow.
Can you hear it?
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MR. LOPEZ:
The last part, I don't want to -- I
2
want to leave it up to you, is that what he said, the
3
last part?
4
MS. ROBINSON:
No.
He said, I don't want to be
5
accused of trying to do something -- he trails off is
6
the reason you can't -- I think this is it.
7
8
9
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
I mean, he's saying right
there that he doesn't have -- what he doesn't -MS. ROBINSON:
10
MR. LOPEZ:
11
"Hey, Jean.
Right.
He's saying that right there.
This is Joe Diaz.
I did call and
12
leave a message for that contract officer, the
13
National Capital Region, regarding the topic we
14
discussed yesterday, but I do have some concerns,
15
mainly of -- I don't want to be accused of trying
16
to -- I don't know.
17
would go?
18
do something that I'm not.
So I'd like to discuss
19
that with Jim.
Thanks."
20
Who in the hell knows where Ruben
But I don't want to be accused of trying to
All right.
MS. ROBINSON:
He doesn't want to be accused of
21
doing -- of trying to do something that he's not,
22
whatever.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
But he's doing it.
He's doing it.
24
He's doing it as he doesn't -- as he's saying he
25
doesn't want to do it.
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MS. ROBINSON:
2
MR. LOPEZ:
3
MS. ROBINSON:
4
5
I know, but he's already done it.
He's already done it.
This message -- he had already
called by the time he left me this message.
MR. LOPEZ:
My goodness.
6
Well, there you have it.
7
MS. ROBINSON:
8
MR. LOPEZ:
9
10
11
Wow, how interesting.
I don't know.
There you have it, Jean.
There you
have it.
MS. ROBINSON:
No, I know, and I just kind of
smiled, and I never called him back on this one.
12
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
13
MS. ROBINSON:
I mean, I've talked to him plenty
14
of times since this message was left on Wednesday the
15
17th at 4:00 o'clock, you know, but it was about him
16
trying to fire the other guy, doing something else he
17
shouldn't be doing.
18
never brought it up.
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
And he never brought it up; I
Right.
Because why are you leaving me
21
that message, you've already done it, you've already
22
contacted the guy.
23
message and said, so I don't want to call and I
24
haven't done anything with it, that would have been,
25
you know, better.
Now, if he had left me that
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MR. LOPEZ:
Of course.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
But now he's -- but he's got to
3
prove because, you know, he came across pretty hard
4
hitting on me in that -- in that meeting that you were
5
lying and that, you know, I should believe him and we
6
could prove it.
7
you're right, I probably should, but, you know, you
8
know lawyers, you've got to prove it to me.
MR. LOPEZ:
9
So I boxed him.
Right.
10
MS. ROBINSON:
11
MR. LOPEZ:
12
I said, okay, well,
And now he can't.
And now he can't.
He's trying.
He's
trying.
13
MS. ROBINSON:
He's trying.
He's trying.
And it
14
shows -- that e-mail shows that he had a conversation
15
with Mike.
16
on that?
17
late, but I would think if the officer -- contracting
18
officer had it, he just would have sent it right on
19
over.
20
21
22
And, you know, when did I say the date was
We still don't have anything.
MR. LOPEZ:
going to happen.
Correct, correct.
It's not too
But that's not
That's not going to happen.
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, I know.
I just wanted to
23
check with you to make sure it wasn't going it happen,
24
because now I've got to pressure him a little bit, you
25
understand.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Sure, sure.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
I know.
Now I'm going to write an e-mail
3
and, say, well, you know, Dennis, I'm sure you want to
4
get your letters out to Ruben and Portco before the
5
board meeting, but we still have that outstanding
6
issue, what happened.
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
10
Right, right, right.
I want to know who's lying, you or
them, according to -- you know, that's the way we left
it.
11
MR. LOPEZ:
Right, right.
12
MS. ROBINSON:
But he could prove his.
See, he
13
should have just stopped short of saying he could
14
prove it.
15
MR. LOPEZ:
16
MS. ROBINSON:
17
Right, right.
part, but he didn't do that.
18
MR. LOPEZ:
19
MS. ROBINSON:
20
MR. LOPEZ:
21
position, Jean.
22
That would have been better on his
Oh, my goodness.
He went the whole nine yards.
Well, I -- I don't envy your
I don't envy your position.
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, you know, it's just -- it
23
just gets better by the minute, because it's so much
24
easier if they just say, look -- you know, Joe looked
25
at me and said, look, Bob and Martin said don't give
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Ruben shit --
2
MR. LOPEZ:
3
MS. ROBINSON:
4
it.
Correct.
I could deal with it better.
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
MS. ROBINSON:
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
-- and figure out a way to justify
Right.
I mean, I would feel better.
That's -But when they start lying and
trying to come up with all this other stuff and then
10
it just gets worse and worse, then you just get
11
annoyed.
12
MR. LOPEZ:
Right, because --
13
MS. ROBINSON:
You know, if he just said, you
14
know, and -- and look, you know, that's what I do, I
15
do what I'm told, and you go figure out how to defend
16
it.
17
with me.
I'd feel better if he would just play straight
18
MR. LOPEZ:
Sure, sure, sure.
19
MS. ROBINSON:
He wants to argue, and he always
20
gets a lot more courage in front of -- when I have him
21
one-on-one, I get much closer to the truth, much more
22
like the message you heard.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
Right.
When he's in front of Dennis and
Martin, he grows big, big kahunas, and then he -- you
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know, he's nasty and he's confrontational and the
2
whole nine yards.
3
MR. LOPEZ:
Yep, I've seen that in him.
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
MS. ROBINSON:
And I just look and smile.
Yeah.
You know, because that's really
7
all you can do, but -- but, David, I guess, really
8
beat him up about -- whatever you said to David, David
9
was just -- Joe even said, Ruben got you this time.
10
MR. LOPEZ:
Yep.
11
MS. ROBINSON:
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
MS. ROBINSON:
Why don't you guys just do a redo.
Right.
And Joe is like, he ain't got me,
14
you know, blah blah blah blah blah, and that's how it
15
went.
16
only thing you're appealing, right, or is it?
17
So I don't know.
MR. LOPEZ:
But -- but St. E's is the
That's it at the moment.
I have
18
nothing else.
19
top security clearance for agency, and that's going to
20
be difficult to overcome.
21
22
Like I said, they boxed me out with the
MS. ROBINSON:
address that from a policy or a specific basis.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
So we -- so we probably need to
Right, right.
So -- so since David is penning
these poison letters about unfairness, then I guess
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that should be his next one.
2
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
3
MS. ROBINSON:
Agreed.
Saying, hey, guys, we've kind of
4
figured out that -- you know, we want to stay on this
5
top security thing --
6
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
8
screening tool.
9
MR. LOPEZ:
10
Right.
-- because we think that's another
Of course, of course.
MS. ROBINSON:
And so, you know, maybe that --
11
now, does your lawyer still want to meet with these
12
idiots, or what does he want to do?
13
you go.
14
15
16
17
18
MR. LOPEZ:
And then I'll let
I do not know at this moment.
I
have -- like I said, I've been away.
MS. ROBINSON:
I don't know that it will do you
any good, but I guess it couldn't hurt either, I mean.
MR. LOPEZ:
Right, right.
I've been away for
19
two, three weeks now, and I will talk to him tomorrow
20
and -- and see what's happened.
21
waiting for that letter from Dennis, but --
22
MS. ROBINSON:
Obviously, we're
Well, you don't -- well, obviously
23
you don't know it's going to be a no, but you know
24
it's going to be a no because you know that
25
historically it's always a no.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Right, right, right, right.
And we
2
are going to appeal to the commission, of course, we
3
have to, and -- and we will --
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
across something today.
6
commission, is your lawyer using their A-2 process?
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
MR. LOPEZ:
10
Let me ask you this, Ruben.
I ran
When you're appealing to the
Correct.
Do you have that?
Yes, the A-2 process.
MS. ROBINSON:
Okay.
And then -- and then you
11
got the stuff where somebody told you that it hadn't
12
been started yet, right?
13
bullshit.
MR. LOPEZ:
14
15
Well, that it had not been
assigned, assigned.
16
17
Yeah.
And that's just total
MS. ROBINSON:
by "assigned"?
MR. LOPEZ:
18
Well, that's -- what do they mean
Assigned to whom?
Well, yeah, yeah.
To the CRP?
And this is
19
interesting, and this is something that we are going
20
to have to flesh out.
21
MS. ROBINSON:
Remember what they told --
You make sure your lawyer gets
22
that shit in writing, because that's just an outright
23
lie.
24
25
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
Remember what they tried to
do with me in San Jose after they awarded it to me?
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I kept --
2
MS. ROBINSON:
3
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
For six months I kept sending money,
4
and on the sixth month NISH tells me, why are you
5
sending us money for this?
6
mean?
7
they told -- NISH says, you're not assigned to that, I
8
don't see it.
9
assigned San Jose Peckham Federal Building to us,
10
therefore NISH was not accepting our percentage.
And I said, what do you
We -- it's our -- it's a project we have.
And
They -- the commission had not formally
11
MS. ROBINSON:
12
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
So it seems to be the case that --
13
well, obviously at that time they wanted me to be a
14
bad boy and rip it away from me without having to go
15
through all of the rigmarole, but you can start a
16
project even before the commission has assigned it to
17
you, months, six to --
18
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, this guy started in May.
I
19
mean, CW Resources started in May.
But let's -- let's
20
do a little -- let's do a little -- let's think about
21
this for a minute.
22
Board meeting is coming up.
23
need to pen a quick letter to the board chair saying,
24
look, I think you guys -- you know, making your same
25
points, we're awaiting Dennis's -- we're awaiting
Let's have a little fun this week.
Maybe your lawyer or you
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Dennis's answer, but we just think -- we don't know
2
whether or not you guys are -- they are, because
3
they're all in cahoots.
4
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
5
MS. ROBINSON:
But, anyway, let's think this
6
through, but you sleep on it and I'll sleep on it.
7
Just a quick letter saying, you know, I understood
8
you -- I know you guys are meeting this week, I just
9
wanted to say, you know, as good stewards and in this
10
bad economy I'm sure you want to avoid future
11
litigation, but, you know, we continue to be closed
12
out of the system and, you know, we're going through
13
all of the appeals, but, you know, we see -- we see no
14
way forward except to go back to -- just a threat.
15
You know, we see no way forward, you know, can you
16
guys do something or intervene or --
17
MR. LOPEZ:
18
MS. ROBINSON:
19
Sure.
-- see what's going on or
something.
20
MR. LOPEZ:
21
to Bill, Bill, the --
22
You mean to Bill, a letter addressed
MS. ROBINSON:
He ain't going to do shit, okay?
23
But I'm trying to figure out who -- yeah.
24
got to do it to the board chair.
25
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
Well, you
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MS. ROBINSON:
You could ask him and his -- you
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could ask him to entertain -- to intervene via the
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executive committee of the board.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Sure.
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MS. ROBINSON:
Just say, I think you guys should
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add this to your agenda because, you know, we're
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coming.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
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MS. ROBINSON:
I mean --
If you don't come later, it's
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okay, I mean, you know, but you will have given them
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even another chance to -- because I don't -- you know,
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they're not really telling the board.
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couple people on the board, you know, know these
14
things, but, see, the appeals and all that stuff never
15
go -- Bill is going to write you back and say, no, the
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board doesn't get into the allegations, etcetera,
17
etcetera, but to get in front of that, your lawyer
18
should say, you know, you may not get into the B-1
19
process, but you certainly are party to the suit, to
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any potential suits that are coming.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
I mean, a
Sure, sure.
And they do have to approve, you
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know, litigation, settlements, etcetera, etcetera,
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etcetera.
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to go.
So, you know, that might not be a bad way
Your guy is in Minneapolis.
We're in Detroit.
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But, I mean, it may not be a bad way to deal on the
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record to try and get ahead of -- now, I don't -- you
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didn't even get your letter from Dennis yet?
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MR. LOPEZ:
No.
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MS. ROBINSON:
Not yet, no.
Well, maybe he's waiting on this
6
stuff or maybe he just hasn't gotten around to it, but
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my guess is he'd try to get it out the door before the
8
board meeting, which would be tomorrow, maybe, but Joe
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has never gotten back to us on -- we can't get his
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statement.
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
That's probably what Dennis is
12
waiting upon.
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of that letter to us saying the contracting officer
14
says that they need top security clearance.
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that's what he's waiting for.
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He would love to be able to send a copy
MS. ROBINSON:
Right, right.
I'm sure
But, you know, this
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may be a time for David, since he's going to be there,
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to bring forward this whole new issue of screening
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people out via the top security clearance.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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Right.
Yeah, because he's going to be
there.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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David Gonzales, you mean.
Right, right, right.
But -- well, you talk to your
lawyer and figure out what you guys are going to do as
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the way forward.
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commission.
I know you're going to do the
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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Right.
concurrent -- you're going to do that like now, right?
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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And you're going to do that
Yeah, I -Or are you going to wait for
Dennis's letter?
MR. LOPEZ:
We -- I -- we would probably -- at
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the beginning we were going to wait for Dennis's
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letter, obviously, because we have to wait for them to
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give something in hand.
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MS. ROBINSON:
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That should be coming any day
because --
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MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
You know, the thought was, how can we
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go to them if we have no -- you know, no answer at
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this moment, what if he gives it to us, he could do
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that, or recompete it.
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MS. ROBINSON:
We don't know.
Well, but -- well, that's my whole
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point, though, is that maybe you could force Dennis to
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do the right thing by putting a little pressure
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somehow, you know.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Right, right, right, right.
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MS. ROBINSON:
From the board saying, Dennis,
what are you going to do?
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MR. LOPEZ:
Right, right.
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MS. ROBINSON:
And Dennis is going to say, I'm
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going to, you know --
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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Correct.
-- I'm not going to give it to
them.
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
MS. ROBINSON:
Because they ain't going to give
you anything if they can avoid it.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
13
MS. ROBINSON:
And, I mean, it would just be --
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well, maybe you want to wait, but we don't meet again
15
until -- yeah, somehow you need to have some kind of
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presence at this board meeting.
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report during the general counsel's report, but that
18
will be at the very end during the executive session,
19
and I will report that, you know, your lawyer has been
20
making noise and there are some things on appeal --
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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Now, I'm going to
Sure.
-- and that you guys feel that
they violated the settlement agreement --
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MR. LOPEZ:
Of course.
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MS. ROBINSON:
-- and that you're appealing
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St. E's, but, you know, that won't have too much
2
impact other than, you know, me reporting it and them
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not taking it very seriously.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Correct, correct.
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MS. ROBINSON:
I'm just wondering -- well, I
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guess it's not going to make any difference.
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wondering if Dennis maybe would reconsider if he had a
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couple people, you know, inquiring, you know, kind of
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looking over his shoulder.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Sure, sure.
I'm just
Well, if we
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have -- if we get nothing by tomorrow -- when do you
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guys leave?
On Friday?
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
I leave on Wednesday.
Yeah.
And the board meets -- well, the
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committee meetings start on Wednesday, Thursday -- no,
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Thursday, Friday, and the board meeting is actually on
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Saturday.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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Right.
Half a day on Saturday.
Right, right, right, right.
But I'll know better tomorrow if
your letter is going or has gone.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
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MS. ROBINSON:
Okay.
But I'll have to ask, because
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remember John was helping him with it and John is
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gone.
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off or looked at whatever Dennis -- whatever bullshit
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he's going to send you.
So I would think that John would have signed
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MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
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MS. ROBINSON:
I mean, at this point --
What annoyed me is that John is
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condoning them in their bullshit, but that's a whole
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'nother story, but --
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MR. LOPEZ:
Well, you know, most -- most men are
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cowards.
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know, we -- most of us don't have the courage to do
12
what is right.
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I hate to say that about my gender, but, you
MS. ROBINSON:
So we'll see what happens, but --
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but think about how you might communicate with the
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very arrogant board about all of this craziness --
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MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
-- at this board meeting.
Okay.
I mean, you know, maybe -- maybe
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on your appeal or maybe not, maybe just some basic
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systemic stuff.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
Correct, correct.
Because the ops committee that
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would consider, you know, new opportunities and lines
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of business would be -- you know, need to be aware
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that if you're going to go after business that's only
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top security, you know, really you don't have a B-1
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process because you've limited your pool so much.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
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MS. ROBINSON:
Everybody is screened out.
But, I
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mean, that's something David can bring forward, he's
7
going to be there, or you can think about whether --
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or you and your lawyer can think about whether you
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want to fire a kind of shot across the bow --
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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Sure.
-- to the board --
Sure.
-- bringing them in --
Of course.
-- to say, you know, get ahold of
your people.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Correct, correct.
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MS. ROBINSON:
It's -- it's a --
But, you know, talk that over with
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him and see, even if -- no matter what Dennis -- I
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mean, that might influence Dennis's answer.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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already gone.
Right.
But I'll know tomorrow if it's
I'll find out tomorrow if it's gone.
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MR. LOPEZ:
They started --
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MS. ROBINSON:
And then we'll talk briefly again
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MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
But they started in May
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already, so it's irrelevant.
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process means nothing.
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there since May.
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Anyway, we'll talk tomorrow.
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They've started.
MS. ROBINSON:
Okay.
All right.
later.
MR. LOPEZ:
Thanks.
MS. ROBINSON:
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Bye-bye.
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How you doing?
MS. ROBINSON:
They keep you
I tell you, it's just always --
but that's actually just a friend.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Oh.
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MS. ROBINSON:
She's at Talabad Industries out on
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the West Coast.
In fact, she was doing lunch.
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had a Monopoly board of her -- at the big ideas thing.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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something about it.
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guess.
MR. LOPEZ:
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She
Yeah.
She was telling me
But they're giving her crap, I
Well, it all channels down to you,
unfortunately.
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
I don't know.
You do the job -We went to the FCE thing because
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Calvin -- I think I might have introduced you, him and
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his dad.
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Sam.
They have an agency in Austin.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
They do Fort
Okay.
They've been doing stuff for a
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long -- they have been in the program a long time, and
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I give them a lot of work.
But they were
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in Martin's region.
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some stuff at Dirk -- Dirksen in Chicago.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
They do some stuff -- they do
Yeah, the Dirksen.
Yeah, they do --
They're Ada McKinley.
Not Ada.
They're not Ada.
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are actually Relief Enterprises.
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Austin, but they do some stuff at Great Lakes.
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do the hospital cleaning there.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
They
They're out of
They
Okay.
They do Fort Sam here.
They do
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some stuff.
They've been in the program a long time.
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They kind of -- the dad is a retired military officer.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
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MS. ROBINSON:
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a father-son team.
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they -- you know, they feel like they don't get --
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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And then Calvin.
So it's sort of
They're a pretty good outfit, but
Enough.
-- a fair shake, and they've been
in the program a long time, so --
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MR. LOPEZ:
Well, it seems to be --
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MS. ROBINSON:
Good people to partner up with.
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Yeah, so they were saying to me, hey, Jean, we want to
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talk to you.
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chance to talk because we were kind of on the bus to
Really it turns out we didn't get a
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go over there and David and his group, and then we
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came back on the bus and everybody was tired, so --
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MR. LOPEZ:
Well, you should tell them, if you
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want to get some work, partner up with Bona Fide,
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we'll get some --
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MS. ROBINSON:
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will get you some work.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
So, yeah.
Somewhere fast.
So, anyway, so I guess David wrote
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a -- where's that bag?
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read it yet myself.
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from PCSI, and I saw my e-mail.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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Yeah, that will -- that
I didn't even get a chance to
I went to download something else
I didn't even bring my glasses.
I haven't even read this myself.
I just know it was there.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
Let's see what we can see.
Hold on.
Have you seen this one?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do you know about this?
Yeah.
I don't know about this.
I do, I do.
Oh, okay.
I haven't read it yet,
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but what's so funny is Lou Bartolo, you know, he
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doesn't -- I told you he doesn't talk to me.
So I
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just confronted him there.
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known you for like 20 years, what's up, you know, I
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just came out of school, and then you were -- you were
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always fine, and all of a sudden now you don't speak,
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you don't talk, I send you stuff.
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well, I'm really miffed over the PRIDE thing.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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Who's Lou?
MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
Who's Lou?
Lou Bartolo.
He's the head of
Oh, at the commission.
And I said -- we go back a long --
you know, he's sort of retired military.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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I said -- he said,
compliance at the commission.
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I said, what's -- I've
Right.
And, yeah, I just never had any
issues with him, and all of a sudden.
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MR. LOPEZ:
There they are.
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MS. ROBINSON:
And so I do know that one time
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after the commission meeting David and I were going to
19
go and have lunch, and we were walking down the
20
street, and he came up behind us --
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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looks.
Right.
-- like out of nowhere.
Right.
And so he -- you know, he kind of
I'm sure he went back and said, oh, I saw
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Jean.
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know, at the time.
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that well.
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you know, and he's head of compliance, so what happens
5
is -- he says, well, you know, you keep dumping all
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this stuff in our lap.
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But we weren't trying to hide from him, you
I mean, I didn't even know David
But it was kind of since then that he --
I said, well, here's the bottomline, when things
8
happen and people write us, I can't just not do
9
anything about it, I have to give it to you guys, and
10
then you always, you know, want to nitpick me or say
11
people aren't telling the truth, you don't want to do
12
anything.
13
personally -- I mean, you do your job, I do my job, I
14
just want to know what your issue is because it's just
15
out of the blue.
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that.
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just step over here for a minute.
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there, and I said, you know, we really do need to
19
talk.
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say, you know, I dislike you for X, at least I'll
21
understand why.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
So I said, but I just want to know
So he said, no, I don't want to do
So then when we got ready to go, I said, Lou,
So we were over
I mean, if nothing comes of it, if you just
Right.
So he said, okay, tomorrow,
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tomorrow, tomorrow at lunch.
All right, fine.
So
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we'll see what he has to say, because I don't really
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understand where the guy -- I don't understand where
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he -- where he's coming from, what the problem is.
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MR. LOPEZ:
They seem to be waffling and --
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What's going on with compliance?
MS. ROBINSON:
exchange --
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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David told me in the big ideas
day?
Yeah.
-- he says, where you been all
I said, why, what's up, I've been in a meeting,
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I've been working.
I've been meeting Ruben all day.
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Okay.
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supposed to meet with him all day, he's your client.
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I don't know.
14
going on.
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didn't really want to talk to him about your agency.
Well, that's fine.
That's good, David, you're
I don't know.
I don't know what's
So there was a lot of people around, so I
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MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
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MS. ROBINSON:
So I said, David, you know, you
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can call me and tell me what's going on.
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well, I don't know, they're just really upset, and he
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said, we had some meeting at CH2M Hill --
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
And he said,
2M Hill, yes.
-- Martin and I.
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just need to talk to you about it.
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okay, well, I'm around, just call me.
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see.
I don't know.
So I said, David,
And so we'll
So tomorrow I'm sure he'll let me in.
But did
I
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that meeting go okay?
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MR. LOPEZ:
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them.
The meeting went okay, yes.
Not for
It went okay for us.
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
Why not for them?
What happened?
Because David right off the bat says,
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well, you know, in the past we've had big companies
7
like you, CH2M Hill, mentor up to three nonprofit
8
agencies and --
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MS. ROBINSON:
And now they want to knock you
guys out and put two other people in or something?
MR. LOPEZ:
Exactly.
So Andrea Thompson, because
12
we already discussed it, she says, well, we have a
13
core alliance with Bona Fide, if anything is going to
14
happen it will have to be through them, and their
15
faces went.
And they said, by the way, we tried --
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
I love it.
I'm sorry.
I love it.
She said, by the way, we tried to
18
partner with two of your nonprofit agencies before,
19
and they did not pass muster.
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
Who said this?
Yeah.
CH?
She said, they did not pass,
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for example, safety, they didn't pass it, and they
23
were huge, some of your big companies.
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passed it with flying colors.
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partnering with them.
Bona Fide
That's why we are
You know who one of them was?
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I asked, who was one of them?
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didn't make it.
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MS. ROBINSON:
She said, PRIDE.
(Unintelligible).
They
I accidently
4
bumped into -- it's not their CEO, but it's like their
5
COO.
6
actually bumped into him.
7
was like, oh, god.
8
something -- that place is so crooked, and the whole
9
thing is just so -- stinks to high heaven.
Literally.
I mean, I was turning around and
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
He's like, oh, hi, Jean.
I
But they're trying to give
They must be crooked.
So when I meet with Lou tomorrow,
12
I'll say, Lou, you know, I don't get it, I don't get
13
why you're protecting these people, see what he has to
14
say, but --
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MR. LOPEZ:
Because of Jim Barone, I would
imagine.
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah.
He's out there in California, no?
Yeah.
I don't know.
I mean, I
20
just don't get the angle, but, yeah, they seem to
21
be -- they've got all the NISH people, and they got a
22
lot of the commission people who are just totally in
23
their pocket.
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literally like be worse than the Boston bombers and
25
they'd find a way to excuse it away, and I guess Jim
I mean, they could -- they could
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Barone is the one driving that train, yeah.
MR. LOPEZ:
But let me ask you this, if I am
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reading this correctly.
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like PRIDE and Skookum, they're the boss, aren't they?
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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It is these big corporations
Yeah.
And the -- and your staff just -Henkel.
Henkel.
And your staff just does
what they want them to do.
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
Correct.
Am I correct?
Correct.
I feel sorry for people like Martin
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Williams, Dave Dubinsky.
15
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, I don't, because if they
16
would just kind of push back a little, in other words,
17
if they say, no, I'm not going to do that.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
19
MS. ROBINSON:
They can't make them.
You know,
20
they're sort of complicit in the whole thing, and
21
that's the thing that bothers me.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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Because with what Martin did -But if you're -- but if you're not
complicit, then they do give you a hard time.
MR. LOPEZ:
Because let me tell you where I'm
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going with this when I say I feel sorry for these two
2
individuals, because with Martin, the little
3
shenanigans he played out there, he is it, he is on
4
the hook.
5
going to have to sue him personally because he had --
6
I mean, he just openly acted, acted against our
7
interests just openly.
8
with him, and he was wondering, well, you know, you
9
guys don't really have a relationship with -- with
If things don't get settled with us, I'm
10
CH2M Hill.
11
meeting was?
I said, Martin, what do you think that
12
MS. ROBINSON:
13
MR. LOPEZ:
14
Yesterday we had a meeting
Didn't he come to -- yeah.
I said, that was our formal
presentation to you of our meeting.
15
MS. ROBINSON:
16
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
Well, no, that's not how I took it.
17
Well, that's what it was.
18
California to introduce them --
19
MS. ROBINSON:
20
MR. LOPEZ:
I said, we traveled to
You to our partner.
-- to our partner formally.
Oh, he
21
said, well, hmm, but they have the right to meet other
22
people.
I said --
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
Oh, yeah.
I said, they do.
This is a free country.
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MS. ROBINSON:
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introduce them in our --
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MR. LOPEZ:
However, I said, our arrangement -You don't have the right to
Right.
Exactly.
So, anyway, he
5
finally had to come to terms, and he said, well, you
6
know -- oh, and by the way, there is a little nugget
7
that you're going to have to deal with at some point.
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
We know that the debriefing -- oh, by
10
the way, why aren't you at the debriefings anymore?
11
Why are you sending John?
12
MS. ROBINSON:
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is what's happening.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
Poor John.
There's just so damn many of them
Really?
Oh, we got -- everybody asks for a
16
debrief now, and I just can't be at all of them, is
17
what's happening.
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19
20
21
22
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MR. LOPEZ:
Right, right.
No.
I just was
wondering what's going on every time you're not there.
MS. ROBINSON:
No.
Does John know what he's
doing, though?
MR. LOPEZ:
Well, of course.
He does -- he plays
the part, and you know John.
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
Does he play the part?
He plays the part.
So he's doing
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well, you know.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
3
MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
Okay, John, that's right, we won't
4
ask the question.
Anyway, we found out from the
5
horse's mouth that GSA did not want top security
6
clearance for that project at St. Elizabeth and
7
knowing --
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
MR. LOPEZ:
10
Well, at first it was you must or
you're out.
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MS. ROBINSON:
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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It was just preferred, right?
Okay.
Then they backed down to preferred.
Okay.
However, when we had our debriefing,
Joe Diaz, you know, there are some areas that --
16
MS. ROBINSON:
17
MR. LOPEZ:
And so I said, so they wanted top
18
security?
19
Absolutely.
20
of my pocket that's nowhere near --
21
22
Yes.
He just is a disappointment to me.
So top security is necessary?
So, okay, okay, Joe.
MS. ROBINSON:
Okay.
I know in the back
There is a difference
between wanting it and it being required.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
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MS. ROBINSON:
25
MR. LOPEZ:
Which one?
Which one?
He said they require it.
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
4
5
Okay.
Okay?
Yes, yes.
They would prefer it,
but if you don't have it, you could still -- okay.
MR. LOPEZ:
Well, no, no.
6
need it, they want it.
7
turned -- he waffled.
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
MR. LOPEZ:
10
Even though --
His point is, no, they
In this debriefing he
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
Even though we all agreed at the end
of the day it was preferred.
11
MS. ROBINSON:
12
MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
Okay.
I gotcha, I gotcha.
Okay.
So I said, so are you sure?
13
Okay, fine, Joe.
So now I talked to David.
14
David, we're heading down the rosy path here again.
15
am going to give you a little nugget.
16
not want it.
17
MS. ROBINSON:
18
MR. LOPEZ:
We know GSA did
I said, even at the beginning,
19
but your colleague said they did.
20
disconnect here, and someone is going to be
21
responsible for it at the end of the day.
MS. ROBINSON:
23
MR. LOPEZ:
I
You told Dubinsky.
Yeah.
22
I said:
There's a
So what did he say?
I get it, I get it, I get it.
I
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said, well, see what you can do, see what you can do.
25
I said --
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MS. ROBINSON:
didn't get it?
Well, why did they say you guys
Because you didn't have the top --
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MR. LOPEZ:
Because --
4
MS. ROBINSON:
See, before they were relying on
5
you guys didn't have the experience and it was just
6
TTC --
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
Right.
-- and they couldn't use TTC
experience.
10
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
11
MS. ROBINSON:
And then I kind of knocked that
12
one out, even though -- like I left your lawyer a
13
message and I said -- he left me a message that said,
14
Jean -- he introduced himself.
15
representing you.
16
from the committee or the policy where they talk about
17
these related corporations.
18
him back just regularly, and then we didn't catch each
19
other, so I thought it might be more efficient to
20
leave him a voicemail.
21
what you want, but there really isn't such a rule, but
22
we can talk about it.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
He said he was
He said, I need a copy of the rule
And so at first I called
So, I said, yeah, I understand
So we just haven't talked.
Well, something that -- in the
24
debriefing John Huggins and them said that there was
25
something new that had just come down the pike.
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MS. ROBINSON:
John -- and I told John, I said,
2
why would -- why would you let them -- because I told
3
him after the debriefing, I went over, and I said, how
4
did it go?
5
meeting.
6
that message, I was like, what did you guys tell him?
And he said, fine.
And he said -- so when your lawyer left me
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
MR. LOPEZ:
10
I was in another
Yeah.
Did you guys make up a new rule?
That's what it was.
MS. ROBINSON:
And they said, well, no.
And I
11
said, what does that rule have to do with this, this
12
thing and blah blah blah.
13
said.
14
though, you know.
15
me now because I'm going to talk to the lawyer and the
16
lawyer is going to tell me.
17
didn't say that that was the be-all end-all, we just
18
said that was one of the factors that kept us from
19
awarding it to them.
20
Well, nothing directly, Joe
And I said, well, what did you tell him,
And I said, you might as well tell
So he said, well, we
So then he said, I don't know what's going on
21
with Ruben, I mean, they can't -- they're handing --
22
this is Joe -- they're handing in really shitty
23
proposals.
24
cutting and pasting, they're not spelling stuff right.
25
He said, in this proposal that he's bitching over, he
He said, they're not even spell -- they're
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said, they cut and pasted some stuff from Fort Hood,
2
and they didn't even bother to take Fort Hood out.
3
said, well, yeah, okay, that is sloppy work, but maybe
4
they figured they weren't going to get it anyway so
5
there's no point in putting too much in it.
6
yeah, but they could at least -- at least, you know --
7
I said, well, we don't give projects to people based
8
on how well they can write their proposals, I admit it
9
does help, you know.
10
I
He said,
So he said, well, it was just -- Jean, they were
11
dead last.
He said, there was no way in hell they
12
deserved this project, just with the competition they
13
were dead last, they did not answer the questions,
14
they did not show their capability or suitability.
15
went through this whole big long thing.
16
I haven't looked at the paperwork, but I'm just saying
17
to you, you better be solid because they're probably
18
going to keep continuing to challenge you.
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
I said, okay,
Right.
Oh, we're solid as can be.
21
looked at John.
22
they solid?
23
mistakes.
24
Ruben's outfit is usually pretty meticulous.
25
He
I said:
So I
Did you read the stuff?
Are
He said, well, they did make those
I said, I'm surprised, I said, because
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
In this case we did make some
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of those mistakes.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
Okay.
But that was not the reason why we
were disqualified according to the debriefing.
5
MS. ROBINSON:
6
MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
According to the debriefing, we were
7
disqualified because Bona Fide did not have past
8
performance.
9
TTCC?
10
CRP.
11
from the commission that said you cannot, and so they
12
said -- we said, we want to see it.
13
send it to you.
14
When we pushed and said, what about
They said, nope, can't bring it in.
I said, why?
MS. ROBINSON:
There's a new rule that came down
somebody -- I had Joe send it to me.
16
not point for point like that.
MR. LOPEZ:
18
MS. ROBINSON:
They said, we'll
And I -- and I got a copy.
15
17
I said,
I had
It's not -- it's
Okay.
It does talk about related corps
19
and all that, but it doesn't -- it doesn't talk that
20
specifically.
I'm going to give it to your lawyer.
21
MR. LOPEZ:
Did you, by any chance, bring the --
22
MS. ROBINSON:
The GAO thing?
No.
You know what
23
happened?
I was rushing out of the darn house.
I
24
faxed it to a lawyer, and I forgot to grab the thing.
25
I was going to go downstairs and grab it.
But I can
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have her fax it to me here, which is what I'll do.
2
MR. LOPEZ:
That would be great.
3
MS. ROBINSON:
It's not that bad for NISH.
4
bad for the commission, but it ain't that bad for
5
NISH, I mean, in my opinion.
6
aisle, though.
7
bit and unfairness, but nothing -MR. LOPEZ:
9
MS. ROBINSON:
draft.
Monumental.
MR. LOPEZ:
12
MS. ROBINSON:
Oh, it's not the final?
MR. LOPEZ:
15
MS. ROBINSON:
16
it is.
17
if I can find it.
19
20
21
Hmm-um.
The final is not out yet.
They've given him a chance to respond --
14
18
And it's not -- this is just the
This is not the final.
11
13
Well, it's not even your
It talks about distributions a little
8
10
It's
I see.
-- to the draft.
So that's what
So I will definitely get you that.
MR. LOPEZ:
Let me see
Who would have sent that to Diaz?
You guys must be busier than anything
nowadays, huh?
MS. ROBINSON:
We've got something going on all
the time.
22
MR. LOPEZ:
23
before, did it?
That didn't used to be the case
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
MR. LOPEZ:
No.
Just quiet and --
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MS. ROBINSON:
Well, not quiet.
It was never
2
quiet, because they never do the right thing.
3
fighting -- so now we're fighting both internal and
4
external issues, you know, and they just lie because
5
they can.
6
they just don't tell the truth.
7
report is around 40-something pages.
8
9
10
We were
That's what is so interesting, Ruben, is
MR. LOPEZ:
You know, the GAO
They're hooked on lying then.
They're just hooked on lying then.
MS. ROBINSON:
But sometimes it doesn't -- you
11
want to say -- maybe it got cut off -- you want to
12
say, for what purpose?
13
bottomline is there is no such rule.
14
MR. LOPEZ:
It's connected.
There's no such rule.
Anyway, the
Well, because
15
I was hearing that the commission was setting some
16
rule that would deal with the nonprofit agencies
17
partnered with for-profit agencies, and I thought,
18
what are they doing, they're probably trying to
19
disqualify people like David and me who have got some
20
very nice --
21
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, now they're going to do that
22
for sure.
They're going to -- it is true that when
23
you write your proposals you need to say that you're
24
going to use the key personnel in TTC and that
25
experience.
You can't just utilize the total
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experience of the corporation itself.
2
say that those are interchangeable, the people are
3
interchangeable, the quality control plans, etcetera.
4
You know, so you have to link it back to Bona Fide,
5
but you can do that.
6
a for-profit entity has a certain kind of experience
7
that your other -- you can partner with yourself, only
8
what's the -- just like you can partner with CH2M
9
Hill, why can't you partner with TTC to get an
10
11
opportunity.
You've got to
And then sometimes if you're --
There's no rule against that.
MR. LOPEZ:
And that's why -- and some of them do
12
it, don't they, like --
13
MS. ROBINSON:
14
MR. LOPEZ:
15
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, Job Options for sure.
Job Options does, for profit.
That was the big thing when the --
16
that's what they're referring to when the commission
17
kind of tightened up supposedly on this, but there are
18
other -- PRIDE.
19
profit, and what amazes me about PRIDE is how blatant
20
they do in your face with Justice, with us, with
21
anybody.
22
they'll take stuff away from them, give it back to
23
them; they let them compete when they shouldn't
24
compete.
25
you're supposed to be precluded from competing.
PRIDE has got for profit and not for
I just -- I don't understand.
I mean,
You know, once you're on the four step,
What
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they do is they -- they're on the four step.
2
you're on four step, you're not allowed to apply for
3
anything else.
4
and Tina is complicit in this.
5
the program to wait until -- because, see, you're not
6
on the four step forever.
They take stuff out of the program --
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
So when
They take stuff out of
Right, right.
Or when you're supposed to put
them on step two -- because, see, one of the other
10
things that I do is I try to make sure you guys are in
11
the competition, but I also try to make sure that
12
people who are in it who I know they'll give it to, if
13
they shouldn't be in it are not in it, so, you know --
14
and then they get pissed off because they're pretty
15
much promised the work, the TFM work.
16
MR. LOPEZ:
To PRIDE?
17
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, to six agencies, PRIDE,
18
Skookum, the top six pretty much, all the ones that
19
are tier one.
20
MR. LOPEZ:
Tier one.
21
MS. ROBINSON:
(Unintelligible).
And so the
22
bottomline is I monitor that.
So what happens is, I'm
23
like, well, how is PRIDE in that competition?
24
here's a perfect example.
25
actually a whistleblower who's a current employee,
And
We have a guy who's
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Will Kunitz, not trust -- I mean, the guy is a little
2
weird.
3
was at -- he was at Agility.
4
what to say about him.
He was overseas, and he was in Iraq, and he
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
MS. ROBINSON:
7
in products and --
I don't.
He's a lawyer.
Right.
8
MR. LOPEZ:
9
MS. ROBINSON:
10
You know, I don't know
Not practicing law, but he works
For NISH?
Um-hmm.
And he blew some whistles
on vendors and some other things.
11
MR. LOPEZ:
I was wondering who did that.
12
MS. ROBINSON:
13
MR. LOPEZ:
14
MS. ROBINSON:
15
MR. LOPEZ:
16
MS. ROBINSON:
17
MR. LOPEZ:
18
MS. ROBINSON:
He did it.
Bill is his name?
Bill?
Will.
Will, Will.
Will Kunitz, Kunitz or something.
I was wondering who did that.
Hans is his real name.
But,
19
anyway, the bottomline is that they -- his job -- so
20
they put him in the penalty box because he's making
21
trouble, he's calling them out, took all his direct
22
reports away from him, the whole nine yards, just put
23
him in the penalty box.
24
non-job.
25
commercial business development.
Then they gave him like this
Like he used to work for Agility in
So his job is to go
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out and develop non-AbilityOne work for later capacity
2
to convert.
3
LEP Lighting, and it's a huge for-profit and a huge
4
company, and they decide they were going to partner
5
with an AbilityOne outfit.
6
we hooked all this up, so we're going to take a fee.
7
It has nothing to do with the AbilityOne program.
8
So PRIDE got in bed with them, got the
9
multimillion-dollar deal, set up production.
So he went out and he got something with
And so NISH decided, well,
I mean,
10
I guess they already had a production line, because
11
apparently they produce some of this stuff through
12
their for-profit, I guess, or somehow.
13
Long story short, they went through all this
14
dance, and then it was time to sign on the line, and I
15
wasn't involved, because he was coming to John to get
16
things done, so he -- when it was time for PRIDE to
17
sign on the line, they said, we're not paying NISH a
18
fee, screw that.
19
to John, I said, you guys didn't have an agreement
20
between these people, anything that was signed?
21
said, no, we didn't have any agreement.
22
And so I said to -- you know, I said
They
So I said, well -- so I called Will in, who knows
23
that NISH plays dirty.
So I called him in, and I
24
said, well, I said, isn't there some other agency that
25
would be in line for this work?
This is just the
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latest PRIDE thing.
And he said, no, PRIDE is the
2
only one.
3
back, and he says, well, Horkimer, whoever they are --
4
this is the West Coast -- they could do it, and then
5
people said they wanted to keep it on the West Coast.
6
So after they said they weren't going to pay them a
7
fee after he'd done a month's work, I said, well,
8
fine, don't give it to PRIDE then, screw PRIDE, go
9
find an agency -- one of our agencies that wants to
And I said, bullshit.
And then he goes
10
get into this business and will give NISH some kind of
11
fee.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
12
MR. LOPEZ:
Sure.
13
MS. ROBINSON:
And it was kind of the agreement
14
up front, but they just didn't have it in writing.
15
John wrote some really lock-tight, secure document now
16
that people will sign ahead of time.
17
recompeted it, put it back out on the street for DSS
18
and (unintelligible).
19
sitting in a staff meeting, and Elizabeth is like
20
totally -- well, I mean, all of them are, Dennis.
21
They're totally in PRIDE's pocket.
22
So
So they
And so the other day I'm
So we're sitting in the staff meeting, and
23
Elizabeth says, well, the conference is coming up, and
24
PRIDE wants to know when this other deal is coming
25
through.
So I'm sitting there half-asleep because we
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meet at the crack of dawn.
I said, well, I said, I
2
thought that was a done deal, I thought PRIDE was no
3
longer in it, I thought they could recompete, put it
4
back out on the street, because PRIDE was unwilling to
5
pay.
6
pay a fee.
7
much of a fee.
8
know I was enough into it.
9
weren't willing to pay a fee.
She said, well, they're
10
willing to pay something now.
It's too late.
11
dance is over.
Well, they never said they were willing to not
They said they weren't willing to pay as
Well, that's bullshit.
She doesn't
I said, no, they said they
The
Everybody has gone home now.
12
MR. LOPEZ:
Sure.
13
MS. ROBINSON:
And so she said, well, no, no, no.
14
So I said, now, if you guys pull this one -- I didn't
15
say anything to them.
16
this right, so you're going to now -- now that you've
17
recompeted it, you're going to pull it out of the fire
18
and give it to PRIDE again?
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
I said, so let me see if I got
Yeah.
You gave it to them the first time
21
when probably you shouldn't have, and now -- and then
22
they told you to go take a hike, and now they're
23
saying, okay, we'll pay you something, some little
24
pittance, you know, and you're going to give it back
25
to them, because it's a multi -- it's a big thing to
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get into, and those are the kind of opportunities when
2
we go into pilots or experimental stuff that you guys
3
want to get into because it has the potential to be --
4
MR. LOPEZ:
Sure.
5
MS. ROBINSON:
-- big, big bucks.
So that's what
6
I mean about how blatant they are.
7
do whatever the hell they want to do.
8
is running around negotiating stuff away from you
9
guys --
10
MR. LOPEZ:
11
MS. ROBINSON:
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
MS. ROBINSON:
I mean, they just
And then Tina
Right.
-- to give to PRIDE.
To PRIDE.
And so, for example, there was
14
something David applied for and I think you guys did,
15
but it was big.
16
were -- at the time they were in the penalty box, and
17
I showed David the letter that I wrote for Bob.
18
that's a new computer for me, my laptop.
19
tablets, but -- and that's my personal one, but I
20
wrote this.
21
me a long time to write it.
22
to sign it, I know you're conflicted, I know you're --
23
well, he refused to.
24
MR. LOPEZ:
25
MS. ROBINSON:
It was a big TR thing, and they
See,
I like these
I thought it was a good letter.
It took
And I said, Bob, you got
Really.
He refused to.
He wouldn't do
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it.
And everybody knows about the letter, because I
2
made sure I cc'd it around, a draft --
3
MR. LOPEZ:
Sure, a draft.
4
MS. ROBINSON:
-- to the commission, everybody.
5
I read it to the commission.
6
It basically was going to tell them that we were going
7
to put them on probation and recommend them going out
8
of the program, they weren't eligible for any more.
9
He just wouldn't do it.
10
MR. LOPEZ:
11
MS. ROBINSON:
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
commission also in --
So he wouldn't sign it.
He wouldn't do it.
He would not do it.
Let me ask you this.
14
MS. ROBINSON:
15
MR. LOPEZ:
16
MS. ROBINSON:
Is the
Oh, yes.
-- PRIDE's pocket?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
17
Clearly, clearly.
Okay.
Let me explain something to
18
you, but you've got to -- you can't know it, the
19
information; you can't act on it.
20
The only people who know it is me, Bob, and Dennis
21
Lockard.
22
these guys are clever -- is they -- they compromised
23
Tina.
Here's the problem.
And basically what Bob and Jim Barone did --
24
MR. LOPEZ:
Tina.
25
MS. ROBINSON:
But they -- you know, how they --
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they kind of find out what makes people tick.
2
MR. LOPEZ:
Sure.
3
MS. ROBINSON:
And what makes her tick right now
4
is that she's past the retirement, she can retire any
5
day, but she wants, you know, large things, and she
6
wants to make a lot of money, and that's why she's
7
doing all this industry day routine with CH2M.
8
wants one of those people to hire her.
9
10
MR. LOPEZ:
She
I see.
MS. ROBINSON:
But nobody seems -- it's a whole
11
job audition for her.
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
MS. ROBINSON:
And no one is getting the message.
No one is getting the message.
14
Bob and Jim figured -- and they were doing all this
15
sneaky stuff with PRIDE and everything else.
16
they compromised her is Bob offered her his job.
17
MR. LOPEZ:
Bob offered her his job.
18
Barone know about this?
19
MS. ROBINSON:
20
master.
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
hands.
The way
Did Jim
Well, Jim -- Jim was the
He's the mastermind.
21
25
Yeah.
Oh, he's the puppet.
He's the mastermind.
I see.
He's got a lot of time on his
He ain't that bright, but --
So
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MR. LOPEZ:
Gotcha.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
-- keep it all in --
Right.
So he asked -- so Tina -- because
5
I couldn't figure it out when we were going through
6
all of this stuff with you and Portco and everything
7
else, you know what I mean?
8
condoning this?
9
She failed to see me.
10
MR. LOPEZ:
11
MS. ROBINSON:
Why -- why are they
I made an appointment to go see her.
She failed to see me.
Tina?
Oh, yeah.
I was going to sit down
12
and look her in the eye and say, look -- not because I
13
have any love lost, but I was going to say, look, you
14
need to step up to the plate.
15
MR. LOPEZ:
Sure.
16
MS. ROBINSON:
These guys are rogue, and they're
17
running crazy, and I've got to have somewhere to go.
18
She refused to meet.
19
then because there is a God, lo and behold at a
20
church, at a church that I don't even go to -- there's
21
a church in our neighborhood that has a spring fair
22
for the kids, and they put fliers in everybody's
23
mailbox, and so my daughter said, oh, mommy.
24
took a bunch of kids.
25
little bad boys, and one of them is autistic.
So I was like, hmm, okay.
So
So I
I had like six kids, three
So,
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I mean, it was just -- and my daughter and another kid
2
and some others.
3
So I every so often -- I mean, I am Methodist,
4
and this is a Baptist church, and it's an -- it's an
5
African-American what I would call a tall steeple, a
6
lot of bourgeois, you know, kind of hifalutin, money
7
people, but they have three services.
8
huge the church is.
MR. LOPEZ:
9
10
11
Wow.
MS. ROBINSON:
So Tina is a member, and I don't
know that, and she's real active.
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
MS. ROBINSON:
14
So that's how
What church?
But I've been going there -- it's
called Antioch Baptist Church.
15
MR. LOPEZ:
Baptist church.
16
MS. ROBINSON:
But I -- I mean, I've been going
17
there off and on.
18
starts at 11:00; theirs starts at 11:30.
19
down the street from my house, and so a couple -- a
20
couple people told me about it, and, you know, I
21
liked -- the minister gives a good sermon and all that
22
have.
23
there to visit.
24
25
Here's the way it works.
My church
It's right
But, I mean, I am Methodist, but sometimes I go
So I went to this spring fair.
standing in line at the moon bounce.
Well, I'm
Okay.
Actually,
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it was just the weirdest, strangest thing.
2
before Bob calls me into his office, and he says,
3
Jean, I've got to confide something in you as counsel,
4
take this with you to the grave, blah blah blah blah.
5
I said, okay.
6
came over here and was your boss?
He said, what would you think if Tina
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
The day
Tina who?
Right.
So he said -- anyway, so I said,
well, she's kind of conflicted because there's this
10
letter out there that she has to write when you work
11
for the government, you can't -- you know, you can't
12
do that.
13
make -- so then it all clicked for me.
14
understand why if these guys got up and shit in the
15
middle of the boardroom you would be okay with it
16
because, you know, you want Bob's job and he promised
17
it to you.
18
I said, well, Bob, what's the problem?
19
I'm not going anywhere, Jean.
20
with me.
I mean -- I mean, come on, she's got to
Well, now I
Well, anyway, to make a long story short,
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
He says, well,
But he's playing a game
Right.
And he said, but she thinks I am,
23
it's kind of awkward because she's my boss, you know.
24
I said, well, you got to write a letter, you know.
25
the very next day -- that was a Friday, and so he
So
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says, well, I'm going to call Tina this weekend and
2
tell her I'm not going anywhere so she should forget
3
about all this stuff.
4
happens.
5
she's there, and Bob, I guess, you know -- you know,
6
he actually hates my guts, but I'm still his counsel,
7
so -- so I guess he had to tell her that he told me.
8
She's not comfortable with that, you know, because she
9
didn't want anybody to know.
And so the very next day what
I go to the spring fair, so Saturday, and
Plus she's always
10
treated me like shit, so, you know, she's like, oh,
11
well.
So -- so all of a sudden we're in line at the
12
13
moon bounce, I hear somebody go, Jean, and I turn
14
around, and it's Tina, and she's working the line
15
because she's a volunteer at this church thing.
16
oh, I didn't know you went to this church, blah blah
17
blah.
18
Bob let you in on the fact that I might be coming over
19
there to be --
So she said, yeah.
20
MR. LOPEZ:
21
MS. ROBINSON:
I go,
She said, so I understand
Your boss.
And I looked at her, and I said,
22
you ain't coming nowhere.
She swallowed.
I looked
23
her dead -- it was like eye-to-eye contact.
24
You're not coming anywhere.
25
Because remember he was supposed to call her that
I said:
Bob didn't call you?
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night.
2
MR. LOPEZ:
Right, right, right.
3
MS. ROBINSON:
She said:
No.
What are you
4
talking about?
She swallowed real hard like this big
5
lump thing in her throat.
6
I said, the only way Bob is going to leave that job is
7
in a body box.
8
man out, he's not going anywhere, and I went -- she
9
freaked, you know.
I said, they're going to carry that
10
MR. LOPEZ:
11
MS. ROBINSON:
12
I said, Bob's not going --
Really.
She did, because, you know, it was
kind of a done deal in her mind.
13
MR. LOPEZ:
Sure.
14
MS. ROBINSON:
Wow.
She said, we got to talk.
I said,
15
no, we don't, I don't have anything else, we haven't
16
been talking all easy here.
17
MR. LOPEZ:
Right, right, right.
18
MS. ROBINSON:
You won't even meet and give me --
19
you won't even take a call from me, so we aren't
20
talking now.
21
going anywhere, so if I were you, I wouldn't be
22
banking on that.
23
together for me, Ruben.
24
it happened on -- it was weird when I say it came
25
together for me, because now I understood immediately
So I looked at her and I said, he's not
And so -- but then everything came
It was like -- it was weird
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why Bob could shit in the middle of the floor and this
2
woman would say, it's okay, just get somebody to clean
3
it up.
4
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
5
MS. ROBINSON:
Right.
Because, you know, I couldn't
6
figure out why she would go along with it, because she
7
doesn't want to make any waves because she's looking
8
for her future.
9
MR. LOPEZ:
Everything is on the future -Right.
10
MS. ROBINSON:
11
MR. LOPEZ:
-- you know, with these guys.
Right.
So do you think she still
12
entertains the idea, the thought that this is still
13
possible?
14
MS. ROBINSON:
I think he's still stringing her
15
along.
16
tell -- oh, heck, yeah.
17
18
19
Oh, I think he would tell me one thing and
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There must be others.
They must be
promising things to others as well.
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, that's what I'm telling you
20
is that the reason, you know, Justice, nobody can get
21
anything is everything is a future promise, and future
22
promises, they're not illegal.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
Right.
I mean, it just means that
everybody has to stay really close and tight-knit and
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you've got to be able to trust the person who's making
2
the promise to you, but in the meantime a lot of
3
people are getting screwed, there's a lot of things
4
that are going, you know, unnoticed or they're
5
manipulating, and so I -- so I've never -- from that
6
day to this day, from that day on those church grounds
7
to this day, I don't have anything else to say to her,
8
you know, other than hello, you know, and that's kind
9
of it.
10
MR. LOPEZ:
But they're playing with fire,
11
because little guys like Bona Fide, Portco, we're not
12
asking for huge things.
13
interests if they were smart.
14
MS. ROBINSON:
It would be of their best
But these guys just aren't
15
(unintelligible).
I mean, what I finally figured out
16
is, I asked -- I had a friend of mine
17
(unintelligible), why would I be a threat to these
18
guys, I'm just a counsel over here, I'm not trying to
19
get a project, I'm not trying to go start a CRP.
20
mean, I realize -- he said, well, Jean, he finally --
21
you're one of the few people who figured out the game,
22
and they're just the kind of guys that got enough
23
testosterone going that they're not going to let
24
anybody -- they're certainly not going to let some
25
fool black woman, you know, who's not in the game mess
I
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them up, and they've been doing this stuff for years.
2
I mean, they're passing contracts to each other and
3
the whole nine yards, and you're upsetting the apple
4
cart.
5
weren't you, if it weren't me, if it was somebody
6
Caucasian, they'd feel better about it, but to think
7
that some minority people -- that enters in for these
8
guys --
9
10
And then what adds insult to injury, if it
MR. LOPEZ:
Sure.
MS. ROBINSON:
-- these guys are just total
11
rednecks -- would come in and upset their little game,
12
it just -- they can't deal with it, so all they want
13
to do is push back.
14
the ground, you know.
15
predicted that Jim Barone -- see, I could never prove
16
it, but I told Carlos and those guys, I said,
17
(unintelligible) that I believe he was actually
18
receiving monies from PRIDE while he was on the NISH
19
board and while he was the chair and while he was
20
doing all this stuff and things, but I can't prove it.
21
And they just think you're dumb, like -- like I
22
remember they came to us with PRIDE.
23
knew all these connections.
24
to be the chair, but then to fool the world, he has a
25
press release when he leaves to say, I'm going to
They just want to push us into
And the thing is, is that I
So, I mean, I
He got on there, he got
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PRIDE, to make it look like, well, if I had something
2
to hide, I'd never --
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
I wouldn't do that.
Yeah.
Well, that's just like
5
hiding something in plain sight to me, I mean, yeah.
6
So you just kind of go um-hmm.
7
they've got Tina, she's not going to do anything.
8
She's too busy trying to hope she's going to get Bob's
9
job or a job at NISH, like if it's not Bob's job, the
10
next job in line, you know.
11
12
And they know because
MR. LOPEZ:
But there are other things -- Dennis
Lockard also knows about this, their counsel?
13
MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The only people
14
who know about it is me, Dennis, and Bob, just us
15
four.
16
finally took it -- or she's figured it out.
17
been over a year now.
18
half, and he hasn't gone anywhere.
And so the problem is, is that Bob, I think,
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
21
health reasons.
22
MR. LOPEZ:
This has
It's been over a year and a
No, and it doesn't look like he will.
Unless God takes him out from
But what about the commission?
There
23
are a lot of other players there, like Mike, Mike,
24
Lockard, the other guy.
25
MS. ROBINSON:
I forget.
Barry.
There's so many.
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MR. LOPEZ:
2
MS. ROBINSON:
3
Mike Barry, yeah.
I think Barry is okay, but he's
got to do what his boss tells him.
4
MR. LOPEZ:
Which is --
5
MS. ROBINSON:
These people got to -- I think
6
he's a guy -- right, right.
I think he's a guy,
7
just my assessment, I don't know for sure, but he
8
knows that stuff is not right, but he also knows if he
9
says anything he's history.
Lou is in with them,
10
Dennis.
They have a little group, Dennis, Lou.
11
the head of compliance, the legal counsel, and the
12
executive director.
13
MR. LOPEZ:
14
MS. ROBINSON:
15
Right.
Well,
The whole gang.
Yeah, yeah.
It's all -- it's all
a big close-knit meeting kind of thing.
16
MR. LOPEZ:
That's too bad for them.
17
MS. ROBINSON:
That's kind of tough.
18
to infiltrate.
19
Davis is starting to make it now.
It's tough
If people could just make that leap.
20
MR. LOPEZ:
Right, right.
21
MS. ROBINSON:
But if they could just make that
22
leap.
Skookum, PRIDE.
23
just coincidentally are big.
24
MR. LOPEZ:
25
MS. ROBINSON:
They're the big ones.
They
Right.
Just because they're big doesn't
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mean they're great.
2
MR. LOPEZ:
Right, right, right.
3
MS. ROBINSON:
But all you have to do is look at
4
the Jerry -- look at Paul Atkinson.
5
to the NISH board.
He may be a chair
6
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
8
to the NISH board.
9
part of his heart still thinks this guy -- because he
10
Paul who?
Paul Atkinson.
He may be a chair
The day that someone in -- some
used to be David's mentor, his buddy.
11
MR. LOPEZ:
Poor guy.
12
MS. ROBINSON:
Poor David, this man is trying to
13
kill you, you know.
14
look at board officers, the ACWC executive committee,
15
that's -- you'll find out who the crook is easily.
16
MR. LOPEZ:
17
MS. ROBINSON:
18
19
20
Right.
They're the people who are running
everything.
MR. LOPEZ:
to Jean?
David keeps asking me:
Do you talk
Do you talk to Jean?
21
MS. ROBINSON:
22
MR. LOPEZ:
23
MS. ROBINSON:
24
MR. LOPEZ:
25
But the bottomline is that if you
Who's David?
David Dubinsky keeps asking me.
Really.
I said, well, after debriefings we
certainly do a follow-up --
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MS. ROBINSON:
2
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
-- we have to talk to her.
3
because, you know, you probably know.
4
we don't know how NISH internally works.
5
MS. ROBINSON:
6
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
8
MR. LOPEZ:
9
10
Well,
I said, David,
Right.
We know how the government works.
Oh.
Right.
So what does he say?
He keeps asking, do you talk to
Jean?
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, he just wants to see if
11
he -- because he's just trying to figure it out, so he
12
can like tell Bob and those guys.
13
MR. LOPEZ:
14
MS. ROBINSON:
15
Right, right.
Because I told you he called me
about -- Martin has got him in the penalty box now.
16
MR. LOPEZ:
Martin has got David?
17
MS. ROBINSON:
Just on paper.
I mean, David said
18
some discriminatory stuff and (unintelligible).
19
admitted it, now he's recanting it, and then Martin
20
reprimanded him for it, so they're fighting right now.
21
That's what I was telling you, they're fighting right
22
now, but it's a temporary fight.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
MR. LOPEZ:
David
I'm sure.
It's a temporary fight.
Yeah.
True brothers never break for
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long.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah.
There you go.
But, I mean,
3
I guess I just -- like I told you before Christmas,
4
these guys aren't going to change.
5
MR. LOPEZ:
No, they're not.
6
MS. ROBINSON:
And they're not going to quit
7
until somebody breaks up this game.
8
understand, and I know you say patience and time, now,
9
granted, I'm going to stop giving them such great
10
counsel, except I don't want to mess up my -- my
11
professional rep, because I don't -- you know, knock
12
on wood, I don't lose, but the thing is that they get
13
the luckiest damn breaks at the weirdest times.
I
14
mean, that's got to run out at some point too.
But
15
one thing I do like about them is they get emboldened
16
and they get stupid, and like one of the reasons I
17
don't want to be on the debrief is because they're
18
going to say stupid stuff, and if I'm on that, you
19
know, I'd have to stop it.
20
John.
That's why I let Omar,
They don't know enough to --
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
But what I don't
Right.
They just let them go.
Right.
Because, you know, if I'm on
there, I've got to give them nice, solid defenses that
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are very hard --
2
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
3
MS. ROBINSON:
-- for you guys to, you know,
4
escape, so I just -- I just kind of back out on stuff
5
like that, you know, just let them do like stupid
6
stuff, but the more you let them, the more they do.
7
MR. LOPEZ:
Well, I just --
8
MS. ROBINSON:
Now, in this thing,
9
David (unintelligible) -- they wrote me and said,
10
should we disqualify Lakeview for this competition
11
because Dan Woods left our employ and went to them and
12
doesn't that give them -- doesn't that give them an
13
advantage.
14
that.
15
not supposed to give out confidential information.
16
said, but how can you prove that Dan gave them
17
proprietary?
I said, well, here's the problem with
First of all, we have rules that employees are
I
What do you have that's proprietary?
18
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
19
MS. ROBINSON:
I said, he could leverage his NISH
20
experience, but what do you have that's proprietary?
21
It was almost like maybe they do listen in to our
22
phone calls or something, because they said, well, you
23
know, for example, we don't want to just bind the
24
business development, we want to bind you, me,
25
everybody, like if you go work for the competition,
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then that could be problematic for NISH.
2
you guys -- I said, but you guys have been trading
3
jobs back and forth for years, so why is it a problem
4
now?
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
MS. ROBINSON:
And I said,
Right.
And so I said, but here's what you
7
guys don't understand.
So what you're saying is you
8
believe now that Dan Woods, who went to work -- and
9
Peggy Grit.
I guess they shopped themselves around.
10
I didn't say what they did was right, but it was
11
pretty funny to me.
12
competition, and now the competition is applying for
13
these contracts, and they're using whatever knowledge
14
they learned at NISH to help that agency, you know, do
15
better in the competition.
16
any different than these board members who are CEOs of
17
the agency or ACWC executive committee members who are
18
in ops meetings where we're thinking and conceiving
19
pilots or a new line of business or financial
20
assistance, we put a program in place and then three
21
weeks later the program starts they're the first in
22
line and we give it to them?
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
But they went to work for the
I said, well, how is that
What's the difference?
What's the difference?
I said,
why -- how come that's not a conflict, or if it is a
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conflict, that can be managed, but an employee who
2
leaves our employ to go work at a CRP you want to
3
say -- they want to start the rule that the CRP is
4
precluded from applying for an opportunity for two
5
years.
6
people, then -- and I think David has hired some
7
people, right, or something.
8
to check.
9
don't mind that rule, it's kind of similar to what the
10
government does, but then you need to do the same with
11
your board members.
12
Brenda Yurnell and all these CRP execs as your main
13
core of officers competing in contracts and
14
implementing the policy.
So if any -- if any of you guys have any NISH
I don't know.
I'd have
But, anyway, that's the new -- I said, I
You can't have Paul Atkinson and
15
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
16
MS. ROBINSON:
17
on the board do no harm.
18
away, but they can't apply.
19
So they said, well, nobody would ever be on our board.
20
I said, but you just told me a minute ago people don't
21
get on our board to get contracts, so if what you're
22
saying is true then they shouldn't care.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
the rest of them.
I said, they should while they're
Right.
You don't take anything
When they go off, fine.
Now, who are you talking to?
I'm talking to Dennis and Bob and
So they said, well -- so Dennis
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writes me this e-mail that says -- he's trying to look
2
like he's good on paper.
3
saying, I think we ought to disqualify Lakeview from
4
the competition, and I says, well -- so I finally
5
wrote him back on Friday.
6
through Dan Woods's e-mails.
7
they've gone through his e-mail, they've gone through
8
his cell phone, everything, to see who he was talking
9
to.
10
So he writes me this e-mail
I said, well, they're gone
RCL is dirty too, but
And I said, well, were you able to come up with
11
the -- did he pass on proprietary information?
12
ain't that stupid.
13
contacts.
I said, well, okay, but he also had
14
contacts.
I said, so I'll tell you what, if we're
15
going to do it just based on perception, on appearance
16
that he could have given proprietary information, then
17
we should check his cell phone and his e-mail to make
18
sure that he didn't contact any of the other CRPs, and
19
who knows, if what you guys are saying, maybe he was
20
shopping himself around with all the CRPs --
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
Dan
Well, no, but he had some
Sure.
-- and they just happened to win,
23
and so -- I said, so then we disqualify them all.
24
Well, they didn't like that because now I'm messing
25
with whoever they wanted to give it to.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
So I wrote back, and I said, but,
3
no, I'm not going after and prosecuting Dan because he
4
left our employ and went over there, I don't have
5
anything to prosecute him on unless you give me some
6
proof.
7
letter is pretty funny.
8
thing that just -- I don't know how they think they
9
can be so blatant, and it's really frustrating.
So that was what I said.
So, yeah, this
But here's -- here's the
10
Mitch, who is about as crooked as they come, he had a
11
Justice investigation, but I guess they didn't find
12
anything, Mitch Thomas from Pepco.
13
MR. LOPEZ:
Mitch Thomas from Pepco.
14
MS. ROBINSON:
Oh, that's their -- that's their
15
boy.
He gets all the work.
16
guy sued and I had to do the case with.
17
but --
18
MR. LOPEZ:
19
MS. ROBINSON:
That's the one the one
I did win it,
Right.
So here's the bottomline.
So
20
Mitch writes this long e-mail saying, I think NISH
21
employees ought to be put under certain restrictions
22
that when they leave the CRP -- if they go to a
23
CRP -- and he's the one that came up with this bright
24
idea, and I think it's unethical for NISH employees to
25
shop themselves around the CRPs and blah blah blah.
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So I said, damn, that's pretty good, because he's --
2
he's one of the most crooked ones in the mafia, I call
3
it the little CRP mafia.
4
bad.
5
said -- so then I started talking around to different
6
employees, and they said, well, what the fuck is he
7
talking about?
8
mean?
9
10
I said, well, that's not
So he had a lawyer write it down for me, and I
MR. LOPEZ:
That's literally.
I said, what do you
Right.
MS. ROBINSON:
They said, well, Peggy Grit,
11
whoever she was, I don't even know her, but she went
12
to him first, and he -- he put an offer out to her, it
13
just wasn't enough money, so she ended up going to
14
another CRP instead of him.
15
he's coming up with all of these self-righteous things
16
saying it's unethical for a CRP to hire our people and
17
for our people to solicit them, but it wasn't
18
unethical until he didn't win, until he lost the
19
contest?
20
MR. LOPEZ:
21
MS. ROBINSON:
I said, so wait a minute,
Oh, my goodness.
I said, he doesn't even come to
22
the table with clean hands.
So one Friday -- I'm, you
23
know, working at home on Fridays -- Dennis calls me
24
up, do you want to go get a glass of wine, because
25
Mitch just wrote us a doozy, and it's all over this
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same day.
I said, well -- but he didn't tell me the
2
part that Mitch didn't come to the table with clean
3
hands.
4
staff meeting, well, Jean, did you get around to
5
prosecuting these employees who left?
6
doing a thing with those employees, you've got to find
7
another lawyer to do that.
8
of all, I said, be careful what you ask for, if you
9
start shining the light about conflicts and damages,
So by the time they bring it up again in the
I said, I'm not
I said, because I -- first
10
then you've got to shine the light right back on your
11
board of directors who has a clear advantage on
12
opportunities and everything else, and until you're
13
ready to preclude them from serving on the board and
14
making the rules, I said, for two years while
15
they're -- I said, then I don't think you should --
16
why are you holding the employees to a higher standard
17
than the board?
18
MR. LOPEZ:
19
MS. ROBINSON:
20
I don't agree with that.
I don't understand.
Well, it's true that he didn't
come to the table with clean hands.
21
MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, my goodness.
22
MS. ROBINSON:
You know, I can't even sit in
23
those meetings.
But he does have a good point.
I
24
said, he has a damn good point.
25
was willing to -- I said, I can't deal with this now.
I said, but he only
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MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
So Bob -- Bob is all at this
3
meeting and, you know, PRIDE, everybody is in it,
4
right?
5
you can't speak with forked tongue, and you can't be
6
so hypocritical.
So I said, well, you know, you guys got to --
So they kind of left it at that.
7
And now this came, and so when I saw Dennis at
8
the big idea exchange, he says, well, you read your
9
e-mail yet?
I said, no.
I said, I saw there was
10
something there from Portco, I printed it off, I put
11
it in my bag, I haven't had a chance to read it.
12
probably didn't believe me, but it's true.
13
said:
Oh, okay.
He
So he
Well, it's a doozy.
14
MR. LOPEZ:
Wow.
15
MS. ROBINSON:
And then I said, what are they
16
going to -- I wanted to say, what are they going to
17
Tina for?
18
MR. LOPEZ:
19
MS. ROBINSON:
20
21
Right.
That's just a waste of time.
I guess nobody knows that, you know.
MR. LOPEZ:
I wanted to ask you.
What did Joe
22
Diaz and Martin Williams want to talk to you about
23
that day that they called you in on an emergency
24
basis?
25
But
MS. ROBINSON:
Oh, this thing, the debrief.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, the debrief.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
The debrief, what they were going
3
to say, why you couldn't get it.
4
something with those guys.
5
Melwood, it's Portco, it's something.
6
always -- and I don't remember what particularly in
7
that day, but I think it was the debrief.
8
MR. LOPEZ:
9
MS. ROBINSON:
It's always
If it's not you, it's
They're
Yeah.
And they were concerned, because I
10
said, well, what's your answer going to be, you know,
11
why didn't he get it?
12
you guys just turned in a really shitty proposal, you
13
were dead last, the government didn't want you, and
14
blah blah blah blah blah blah.
15
16
17
MR. LOPEZ:
And then that's when he told me
How come the government didn't want
us?
MS. ROBINSON:
And I said, how would they know?
18
And he said, well, they want somebody who can hit all
19
of our points, and they can't hit them.
20
they started talking about certification, and I said:
21
Well, at one point he was 65 percent.
22
still in that spot, or is he getting better, or did
23
you give him credit for that?
24
because if he was, he would have told us, you know,
25
and that's --
And so then
I mean, is he
He ain't there yet,
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MR. LOPEZ:
2
MS. ROBINSON:
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
5
Certification of what?
Like SIM certification.
Oh, SIM certification.
Yeah, yeah,
yeah.
MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah.
So, you know, they're going
6
to find -- what they're going to do is they're going
7
to always find something --
8
MR. LOPEZ:
Sure.
9
MS. ROBINSON:
-- to keep you out, but that's my
10
point, is that I looked at Bob in the eye -- we have a
11
new lawyer now in the Portco case, and he's -- you
12
know, he's kind of one of them.
13
of them," he's an old, old white guy, retired
14
military, used to be a justice, nice guy, but he's
15
determined to toe the line.
16
said, just do your job, but don't get too crazy, I
17
said, because you will learn that this case has a lot
18
of warts.
19
said, Jean, so why don't they just let them win one,
20
why don't they just give them one?
21
it's just plain old testosterone and stupidity at this
22
point, they're never going to let them win one.
So I looked at him, I
So he and I started talking one day, and he
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
When I say "he's one
I said, because
Right.
You've got to know these guys.
It's irrational at this point.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
And so he said to me, I don't
3
believe it.
4
don't you have that conversation with Bob, I've had it
5
before.
6
said, Bob, why can't you just tell your people to let
7
them win one, one that they're qualified, not one that
8
they're out of range?
9
MR. LOPEZ:
10
So I said, but you know what, I said, why
So I said, I'll have it one more time.
So I
Sure.
MS. ROBINSON:
Then they might back down a little
11
bit, show a little good faith.
12
good, Bob said.
13
that's just like --
Yeah, that would be
But he didn't mean it.
14
MR. LOPEZ:
15
MS. ROBINSON:
I mean,
Right, right.
You see, because it gets harder
16
and harder to defend.
17
I tell them that all the time.
18
harder to defend this stuff, and so -- and I told you
19
David has the luck of the Irish.
20
might have to ask him if he's got Irish in him.
21
Because we got a new whistleblower.
22
going to meet with the guy at 11:00 o'clock tomorrow
23
morning, Steve Garcia at PCSI.
24
MR. LOPEZ:
25
MS. ROBINSON:
I'm a lawyer, not a magician.
PCSI.
Yes.
It gets harder and
I think he has -- I
In fact, I'm
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MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
And what he was telling them was
3
that he thought they were committing fraud, PCSI was
4
committing fraud on the government at the border
5
station and blah blah blah blah blah.
6
said -- so his lawyer that -- that was his lawyer,
7
that Hispanic guy that kept walking around behind me
8
and pigeonholing me.
9
MR. LOPEZ:
10
And so I
Right, right.
MS. ROBINSON:
He said, well, let me have a copy
11
of the complaint, because I told him what it said and
12
everything.
13
you a copy of the complaint until I talk to the
14
complainant, and I haven't spoken to him.
15
well, we've already handled this, we've already made
16
our peace with the government.
17
do that, I can't do that right now, because the guy
18
said he's got other unethical practices, etcetera,
19
that he believes that you guys (unintelligible) after
20
to PCSI.
21
they're the other defendants in the Portco case.
22
I said, well, I'm not comfortable giving
I said, well, I can't
When I said David has the luck of the Irish,
MR. LOPEZ:
23
that's right.
24
a problem?
25
He said,
Oh, I see.
PCSI.
That's right,
What -- what port of entry do they have
MS. ROBINSON:
Huh?
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MR. LOPEZ:
2
MS. ROBINSON:
3
What port of entry?
MR. LOPEZ:
5
MS. ROBINSON:
6
MR. LOPEZ:
7
agency is that?
9
Yeah, they're here.
Does that have -- what kind of an
Yeah, I think so.
We got -- every
one of them is just so -- they're all -- let's see,
11
MR. LOPEZ:
14
Oh, out of Texas.
MS. ROBINSON:
which one here.
13
I wonder what they're going to do now
that we have CH2M Hill on our side.
MS. ROBINSON:
I'm loving it, because Dennis
wanted to partner with them.
15
MR. LOPEZ:
16
MS. ROBINSON:
17
MR. LOPEZ:
18
MS. ROBINSON:
Dennis who?
Lockard.
Oh, Lockard.
This is the kind of shit I get
19
back from the commission.
20
whistle blow.
21
no time to respond.
22
nothing, we're not going to do anything.
I put them on -- people
I put it over in their lap.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
They're
Homeland Security?
10
12
Let's see.
out of Texas.
4
8
I don't know.
They take
Eventually they respond, and it's
Wow.
That's always what they say.
that's okay, I don't care, because --
But
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MR. LOPEZ:
Sure.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
MS. ROBINSON:
7
MR. LOPEZ:
-- I've done my part, you know.
Sure, sure, sure.
Let's see.
What do you think, Jean -They're just too --
Let me tell you something.
What do
8
you think when CH2M Hill tells them in their face in
9
front of us that two of their major nonprofit agencies
10
did not cut muster with them on safety, for example,
11
and so they couldn't partner?
12
MS. ROBINSON:
But all they're going to do is go
13
back and tell them and say, fix that.
14
understand what I'm saying?
15
to do with that.
16
MR. LOPEZ:
That's what they're going
But still today it's on record that
17
their favorites --
18
MS. ROBINSON:
19
Do you
Oh, no.
I agree.
I agree.
I am
liking it.
20
MR. LOPEZ:
-- did not cut muster.
21
MS. ROBINSON:
22
MR. LOPEZ:
23
MS. ROBINSON:
I am liking it.
Did not cut muster.
Well, but they know that
24
because that's just what I'm trying to tell you is
25
their favorites are never that good.
That's what --
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let me see.
That's what kills me about their
2
favorites is they're -- (unintelligible).
3
my pen out for this one.
4
see?
5
phone.
6
are all together.
Nails don't work.
Do you
If nothing else, I know I can find it on my
That's the other thing, our phone and e-mail
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
Let me get
Yeah.
That David is such a snake.
He is
such a snake.
10
MR. LOPEZ:
You mean Dubinsky?
11
MS. ROBINSON:
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
MS. ROBINSON:
14
MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, my god.
Oh, yeah.
He just -- he can't help himself.
Oh, that's what I wanted to ask you.
15
I sent him a letter, you know, a letter back for
16
Martin and for him.
17
answer you because I wanted to go to Jean for legal
18
advice.
19
MS. ROBINSON:
20
MR. LOPEZ:
21
22
23
24
25
And he said, Ruben, I couldn't
He's so full of shit.
And I'm trying to -- I'm waiting for
them to release it or not.
MS. ROBINSON:
Now, what is this?
Release what?
What do we -- what do we allegedly have now?
MR. LOPEZ:
Well, I sent him a letter saying,
David, are you going to help us, yes or no?
Are
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you -- it was very pointed.
2
assisting us due to orders from your higher-ups?
3
that's the case, I understand, just let me know.
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
MS. ROBINSON:
7
If
And what is this for?
Well, it was -I mean, you know I'll tell you
straight up, but I don't think -- I don't think so.
8
9
Are you precluded from
MR. LOPEZ:
It was the -- you said you were going
to assist us in acquiring the certifications, that you
10
were going to assist --
11
MS. ROBINSON:
12
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
And I said:
So what's going on?
Are
13
you going to do it or not?
14
a letter to Jean, our legal department, and until she
15
tells me it's okay for me to send it to you, I can't
16
answer you.
MS. ROBINSON:
17
18
He bugs me about everything else.
I'm sure --
19
20
And he said, well, I sent
MR. LOPEZ:
Well, you know what he said, what he
said about us, about the rating of CH2M Hill?
21
MS. ROBINSON:
22
That's very weird.
23
not.
24
Dennis Lockard.
25
MR. LOPEZ:
Now, why isn't that right there?
It should be right under, and it's
That's very weird.
It should be right after the
It's in your report.
Is that what
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you're talking about?
MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah.
That's not -- they didn't
3
give it to us electronically.
4
There you go.
That guy is funny.
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
MS. ROBINSON:
7
craziness.
8
weird.
9
10
11
Yeah.
MR. LOPEZ:
What are you looking for again, Jean?
MS. ROBINSON:
MS. ROBINSON:
17
I'm looking for the latest thing
on PCSI.
13
16
That would be really
Hmm.
MR. LOPEZ:
15
That's David, David, more David
Did this go away?
12
14
That's the problem.
Oh, okay.
The guy that I'm going to meet
with tomorrow.
MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, the whistleblower.
And what are
they doing again?
MS. ROBINSON:
I don't know.
He says all kind of
18
stuff, but it will be helpful to David for sure, but
19
I'm just trying to -- I don't understand why it's not
20
coming up.
That's very weird.
21
MR. LOPEZ:
Jean, did this guy from NISH --
22
MS. ROBINSON:
I don't want to get paranoid, but
23
I'm a little paranoid, because this is the stuff the
24
guy was dogging me for today that I didn't give it to
25
him, now all of a sudden I can't pull it up on either
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of my -- any of my e-mail.
2
report, Martin.
3
that's -- David said he sent me something what now?
4
5
MR. LOPEZ:
I need to see what that is.
No,
To see if you -- see if you would
approve.
6
MS. ROBINSON:
7
can't delete this.
8
9
David Dubinsky, trip
MR. LOPEZ:
I usually read everything, so I
Yeah, just to see.
I said, it's very
simple.
10
MS. ROBINSON:
11
send it to me?
12
it?
13
MR. LOPEZ:
Well, why would -- why would he
Why would I have anything to do with
Just to see if it will be okay for
14
him to release it to me.
15
MS. ROBINSON:
16
MR. LOPEZ:
And what is it?
Just a request whether they're going
17
to do -- were they going to help Bona Fide and do they
18
really mean it, are they going to assist us, yes or
19
no.
That's it.
20
MS. ROBINSON:
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
That's it.
I can't find it.
That's okay.
No.
I really want to see it.
I
23
really -- because I want you to see what it says.
24
what's weirder is it's not coming up on this e-mail or
25
this e-mail.
Maybe if I went out and came back in.
But
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MR. LOPEZ:
Possibly.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
That's very weird.
I mean, the
3
part that you don't understand that's weird about that
4
is I told this guy he couldn't have it and I know he's
5
in Elizabeth's pocket and everybody else's, and so
6
she --
7
8
MR. LOPEZ:
pleasant woman, Elizabeth.
MS. ROBINSON:
9
10
She seems like such a beautiful,
Yeah, the big -- the big snake in
the grass, I guess.
11
MR. LOPEZ:
David used to say that.
He says, you
12
know, Ruben, she's the smartest person in the room;
13
when she talks, everybody listens.
14
MS. ROBINSON:
15
MR. LOPEZ:
16
MS. ROBINSON:
She knows that.
She had David all mesmerized.
That is very weird.
17
to bug me for the rest of the night now.
18
okay.
19
No.
20
very weird.
21
before that, though.
22
weird at all.
23
I only had one margarita.
24
25
Let's see if that's it.
That is very weird,
So that is -- I think it was
Oh, you know what, it may not be
It could just be too much tequila.
MR. LOPEZ:
sell here?
You see --
See agenda attached.
That's just when we notify.
Okay.
That's going
No.
Yeah, one of those big bathtubs they
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MS. ROBINSON:
2
MR. LOPEZ:
3
MS. ROBINSON:
No.
Two pounds of Dos Equis poured in.
Trust me, there was no alcohol in
4
it.
It looked pretty, though.
5
24th.
6
well worth the wait.
7
bigger for you.
8
computer literate than this, but my computer
9
(unintelligible).
10
Hold on a second.
Here it is.
Hold on.
I can't win.
MR. LOPEZ:
That's why.
It's the
Okay.
This is
I'll try and make it
I'm really much more
It's this e-mail here.
Now, this is Elizabeth Goodman, the
11
financial officer?
12
MS. ROBINSON:
Okay.
But this is the
13
whistleblower, and this is what he's saying, and what
14
I'm trying to tell you is I just don't understand --
15
you've got to have your glasses on.
16
MR. LOPEZ:
17
MS. ROBINSON:
18
(Unintelligible).
19
Pepsi?
20
MR. LOPEZ:
21
long, fat dinner.
22
Okay.
23
(Unintelligible).
24
25
That's okay.
I can read it.
I can make it bigger.
It's not just me.
I'm good.
Do you want some
Thank you.
Laredo, Texas.
I had a good,
Laredo, Texas.
(Unintelligible) performed since 2008.
MS. ROBINSON:
for him.
This poor guy.
Wow.
I feel so sorry
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MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
3
MR. LOPEZ:
Keep going.
Mr. Eric Rodas, the operation
4
manager, who was originally assigned.
5
(Unintelligible).
6
7
Wow.
MS. ROBINSON:
Keep going.
This guy used to work
for us.
8
MR. LOPEZ:
For who?
9
MS. ROBINSON:
Former superior, Keith Walker.
10
MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
11
(Unintelligible conversation.)
12
MS. ROBINSON:
I'll tell you, that damn David is
13
the luckiest shit on -- lucky as shit.
14
couldn't have this kind of luck.
15
couldn't.
You and I
I'm telling you, you
Keep on, keep on.
16
(Unintelligible conversation.)
17
MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, my goodness.
Oh, my goodness.
18
have other instances of unethical and professional
19
behavior by Keith Walker and Mr. Eric Rodas that I
20
would -- oh, my goodness.
21
job.
I
I'm in fear of losing my
22
(Unintelligible conversation.)
23
MS. ROBINSON:
I feel bad for him, but I'll meet
24
with him tomorrow at 11:00.
25
bird-dogging me, man.
But this lawyer is just
I came downstairs, and he's
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like -- remember when I saw you?
2
MR. LOPEZ:
3
MS. ROBINSON:
4
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The Hispanic guy.
like --
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
MS. ROBINSON:
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
MR. LOPEZ:
10
Now, wait a minute.
He wants a copy of this.
Their lawyer for PCSI or -Yes.
Oh.
MS. ROBINSON:
Okay.
11
happened.
12
good friend Elizabeth -MR. LOPEZ:
14
MS. ROBINSON:
Okay.
Yeah.
MR. LOPEZ:
17
MS. ROBINSON:
19
-- this is what he wrote back.
That's Elizabeth.
16
18
Because here's what
Once they scared the guy, Elizabeth, your
13
15
So I was
All right.
Then that's what she -- that's
what he wrote, the whistleblower.
MR. LOPEZ:
(Unintelligible).
I just met with
20
our internal legal, Mr. Eric -- Mr. Eric Barbosa, and
21
he is already investigating the matter regarding the
22
NISH project.
23
had exhausted --
24
25
Okay.
MS. ROBINSON:
(Unintelligible).
Okay.
I felt that I
That's the guy that came up
to me today, and he and I had already had a
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falling-out over Portco, because he's their lawyer in
2
Portco.
3
MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, yeah.
4
MS. ROBINSON:
And so he went to Bob Chamberlin
5
at ACWC about three months ago and said I should be
6
fired, him and his boss.
7
new best friend, because I wouldn't return his calls
8
and I wouldn't cooperate with them in the suit against
9
David.
Now all of a sudden he's my
He's right, I wouldn't.
10
defendant; you're a defendant.
11
we'll do our thing.
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
MS. ROBINSON:
I said:
We're a
You go do your thing;
Sure.
And so he wanted to work together.
14
But now he kind of needs me because he's in this damn
15
bind.
16
San Antonio Spurs.
17
this is not my first rodeo.
18
so it's like -- so he kept -- he did not move, you
19
know.
20
I couldn't even like -- usually you go around and --
So he says, oh, I used to be counsel for the
I said, good for you.
Good for you.
He said,
You know,
I mean, he was hanging tough with me at the --
21
MR. LOPEZ:
I remember.
22
MS. ROBINSON:
And then so I said, well -- he
23
said, all I want is a copy of what you just read, and
24
I had already told him about it.
25
pretty serious, it's alleging these things, he says
I said, hey, that's
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that you're investigating this, what's going on.
2
was going to give him a copy, and then when I was
3
walking to the room, that little voice in my head
4
said, don't give him a copy because I hadn't talked to
5
Steve yet.
6
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
I
This gentleman.
Yeah.
8
I'm kind of uncomfortable.
9
going on.
So I said:
Well, you know,
I mean, I told you what's
I haven't sent your letters.
I'll be
10
sending a letter to the commission, everywhere else,
11
and you and the board chair and everything, letting
12
them know what's going on, I said, but -- so then I
13
printed it out.
14
print out.
15
printing out.
16
get it to print out.
17
MR. LOPEZ:
18
MS. ROBINSON:
I tried to print it out.
It's just weird.
It wouldn't
This is what kept
And then two other NISH people tried to
Right.
That was my second voice saying,
19
don't give it to him.
20
MR. LOPEZ:
21
MS. ROBINSON:
That's right.
So I went back to him, and I said,
22
no, I can't give it to you.
23
I said -- but I probably could have got it to print
24
out if I stayed there long enough.
25
MR. LOPEZ:
I showed him this thing.
But you realized.
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MS. ROBINSON:
I said, but I haven't talked to
2
this guy, and coincidentally, I said, I was able to
3
reach him when I was trying to get this to print out,
4
and he asked me not to.
5
with him tomorrow, so he's going to come here and meet
6
with me tomorrow.
7
meeting?
8
do that to him.
9
they're all mad at me because I'm going to meet with
10
11
I said, so I've got to meet
He says, well, can I be at that
I said, absolutely not.
I said, no, I can't
So now he's pissed.
So Bob --
this guy and see what he has to say.
You know, whatever he has to say I'm just passing
12
on to -- but, see, here's my problem.
These poor
13
people are spilling their guts, telling what's true,
14
telling what they believe is right.
15
is retired military.
16
write a nice little letter turning it all over to the
17
commission.
I think this guy
Hold on a minute.
But then I
It's like turning it over to the fox.
18
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
19
MS. ROBINSON:
Five of the hens are gone,
20
somebody ate the hens last week, and I give it right
21
to the fox and say, please stop this.
22
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
23
MS. ROBINSON:
So I feel bad because I'm going
24
to meet with this poor guy tomorrow who's scared to
25
death for his job.
I don't know what all he's going
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to tell me, and I will -- and our system is such that,
2
you know, that's the way it works, you have to turn it
3
over, because it's not -- we don't have control over
4
their day-to-day stuff, and I already told his CEO and
5
his counsel, and so they know it's coming.
6
everything -- he was really trying to convince me very
7
nicely not to turn it over.
8
letter?
9
no, no, you know, and I didn't want to -- because
Do you have to write this
I've already investigated.
these are the favorites, PRIDE, PCSI.
11
guys that are getting all the work.
I said, no, no,
10
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
MS. ROBINSON:
So he --
These are the
Wow.
And they're just -- they're bad.
14
I mean, it's not that -- and it isn't even so much
15
that they're corrupt as much that it's they got too
16
much.
17
MR. LOPEZ:
They got too much.
18
MS. ROBINSON:
19
MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
They can't manage it well.
Right.
Everybody makes mistakes --
Right.
-- you know, but to let them tell
23
it.
Now, see, this kind of mistake, if you did
24
something like this, you're not getting any work here,
25
but you get none for the rest of your life.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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4
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Absolutely, absolutely.
These guys, they're going to just
overlook this.
MR. LOPEZ:
It's true.
That's right.
It's a fact.
MS. ROBINSON:
something, right?
8
David should have gotten.
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah, the big IT contract.
MS. ROBINSON:
11
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah,
that's them.
MS. ROBINSON:
14
MR. LOPEZ:
15
MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah, yeah.
That's them.
You get it, right?
You get what
I'm messing with.
17
MR. LOPEZ:
18
MS. ROBINSON:
19
Yeah.
Huge IT contract, 60 million.
13
16
Goodness gracious.
We just gave them something that
10
12
It's true.
Well, we just gave those guys
7
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No, no.
Right, right, right, right.
And they just have bad luck
sometimes, like this is their senior house guy.
20
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
21
MS. ROBINSON:
You know, and then it doesn't help
22
when the people who are having an attack of conscience
23
keep being either black people or Hispanic people.
24
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
25
MS. ROBINSON:
I'm not trying to be funny.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Serious.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
But this guy, Esteban Garcia, I
3
mean, come on, what do you think he is?
4
unless he's like David and was adopted, I don't think
5
so.
6
MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
8
MR. LOPEZ:
9
10
I mean,
Oh, my goodness.
You get my point.
I'm beginning to see the picture, and
it's not a pretty one.
MS. ROBINSON:
That's what I'm telling you.
11
Everybody that's causing problems for them in the
12
mafia, as I call it --
13
MR. LOPEZ:
14
MS. ROBINSON:
15
Right.
I mean,
not necessarily black, but just the --
16
MR. LOPEZ:
17
MS. ROBINSON:
18
-- is a person of color.
Just the last name or something.
But they're either Hispanic or
they're --
19
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
20
MS. ROBINSON:
21
it's killing them.
22
MR. LOPEZ:
23
MS. ROBINSON:
And it's killing them.
Wow.
I mean,
We're going to -- wow.
But what it does with these
24
guys -- when you're a redneck, what it does is it just
25
makes them bounce on us harder.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
I mean --
True, true.
To be honest with you.
Lynch 'em.
Yeah.
Exactly, exactly.
So
7
but -- you know, so here we got this guy.
So this guy
8
spent all day -- the lawyer spent all afternoon
9
convincing me it was all done and on the way, I can
10
give him a copy, he's going to write me a nice letter
11
back, everything is good, he can write the commission,
12
and this guy says, no, please don't give him a copy of
13
this.
So I'm not going to give it to him.
14
MR. LOPEZ:
15
MS. ROBINSON:
16
the commission.
17
MR. LOPEZ:
18
19
20
Right.
Right.
Who in turn will give it to
them.
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, unfortunately, yes, but I
can't stop that.
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
23
Now, we'll turn over a copy to
Right.
Of course not.
But it is personally frustrating
for me.
24
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
25
MS. ROBINSON:
Because it's like I told you, I
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said, you know, we catch these guys red-handed, we
2
don't have anybody to go to.
3
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
4
MS. ROBINSON:
Even Carlos said, Jean, it's just
5
frustrating.
6
do our job so well --
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
10
He said, you know, we're trying not to
investigation.
doing?
Right.
What the hell are Mumford and Lisa
Do they get it?
11
MR. LOPEZ:
12
MS. ROBINSON:
13
Right.
MR. LOPEZ:
15
MS. ROBINSON:
17
18
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You know, I can't draw the road
map.
14
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-- like with the OIG
Right, right.
You know, because we're trying to
do the defense, so you can't -MR. LOPEZ:
Of course.
No.
I understand.
I
understand.
MS. ROBINSON:
You know, but it's like -- that's
20
what I mean by it's frustrating when we know, but the
21
government and others can't seem to get it.
22
PRIDE, Justice had PRIDE in their pocket, let them off
23
with -- $475,000 is a slap on the -- that's like 50
24
cents for those people.
25
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
Like
David told me, he says,
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well, you know, PRIDE makes $365 million a year, I
2
can't imagine the problems they must have, I wouldn't
3
want it.
4
5
MS. ROBINSON:
Right, right.
But you get my
point.
6
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
7
MS. ROBINSON:
It's like I don't know.
I don't
8
know if the government just says, well, these people
9
mean well, they're just stupid, or they don't get it.
10
I mean, I don't know.
11
MR. LOPEZ:
12
13
Well, time will tell what the
government is going to do.
MS. ROBINSON:
Time will tell.
Well, but I guess on this one, did
14
David tell you they're going to get an Inspector
15
General or something?
16
the GAO report calls for is for there to be an
17
Inspector General, which is one good thing that will
18
come out of it.
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
21
MR. LOPEZ:
By the way, that's one thing
Right.
Now, that's going to kill Tina.
Do you think so?
22
she won't be able to --
23
MS. ROBINSON:
24
to let her do this shit.
25
MR. LOPEZ:
Why?
Because then
The Inspector General is not going
Right.
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MS. ROBINSON:
with you?
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
Right.
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
9
10
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NISH is out of control or NIB is
out of control; it's our job to stop them.
6
8
They're going to say, what's wrong
Right, right.
Why are we -- why are we going
along with this?
MR. LOPEZ:
When do you think that will happen?
When do you think they will say -MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah, I think it's going to take a
12
while, right, because they've got to go through -- I
13
mean, it's not going to happen overnight.
14
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
15
MS. ROBINSON:
But in that respect the GAO report
16
is not good in that -- you know, it beats the shit out
17
of the commission.
18
people are over there doing this, this, and this or at
19
least allegedly, and you guys don't seem to have any
20
control or oversight.
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
It's saying, look, NISH and these
Right.
I would like to see that.
No.
But I can't -- I can't -I understand.
So when Singleton, who's the
lawyer -- she's a very experienced lawyer on the Hill
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and a friend, and I wanted her.
2
idiots to get her to do some stuff.
3
firm as Tony is at, a big firm, and I just wanted to
4
get her take on it, because I was -- I was kind of
5
disappointed when I got it.
6
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
8
MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
10
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MR. LOPEZ:
I'm like, what the hell.
Yeah.
I just -- I'm like, damn.
It's okay.
I know.
It's okay.
I know.
I'm going to -- I'm going to let you
go.
MS. ROBINSON:
13
MR. LOPEZ:
14
MS. ROBINSON:
How do they -- how do they --
I don't know.
They have some angels on their
shoulders too or something, because --
16
17
She's the same
They win again.
12
15
I tried to get those
MR. LOPEZ:
But are they the right kind of
angels?
MS. ROBINSON:
18
Well, no, but I'm just saying
19
they're some lucky son-of-a-guns, man.
20
you, if I -- if I did half that stuff wrong, I'd be in
21
jail.
22
23
MR. LOPEZ:
I'm telling
Well, of course, of course, of
course.
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
MR. LOPEZ:
But these guys --
Well, we'll see, we'll see.
I know
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how it is.
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3
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, anyway, I'll get you -- I'll
call your guy back tomorrow.
4
MR. LOPEZ:
5
MS. ROBINSON:
He's in Minneapolis?
Minneapolis, Minneapolis.
Close to my old hometown.
I'll
6
call him back.
7
about the -- about the rule, right?
8
There is a rule, but it doesn't relate to your SSM.
MR. LOPEZ:
9
But he knows this thing is a sham
There is no rule.
What they made it sound --
10
MS. ROBINSON:
11
MR. LOPEZ:
But I'll educate him.
Yeah.
They made it sound that it was
12
something new that the commission had just come down,
13
because remember there was something that came -MS. ROBINSON:
14
15
16
17
MR. LOPEZ:
No.
19
MR. LOPEZ:
John said, we'll send to you.
MS. ROBINSON:
somewhere.
23
applicable.
25
Okay.
So
we're expecting something interesting.
22
24
John said, okay, I will give it
to you or we'll send it to you.
MS. ROBINSON:
21
He didn't
know.
18
20
What did John say?
Oh, I got it.
I mean, I got it
They gave it to me, but it isn't
MR. LOPEZ:
What I heard is that it was -- that
the commission had issued something.
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MS. ROBINSON:
whole rule.
MR. LOPEZ:
Exactly.
Okay.
So now they're going
to kibosh -MS. ROBINSON:
Okay.
Now, let me say this, so
that your paranoia is a little more intact.
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
You thought they had issued a
Okay.
When they went after Job Options
about subsidiary corporations, it was an indirect way
10
of going after you, because they're in the West
11
region.
12
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
13
MS. ROBINSON:
And I had said to them, well, if
14
you let Job Options -- in another competition
15
unrelated, if you give them credit, how can you do
16
that when you guys told Ruben Lopez and Bona Fide that
17
they couldn't use TTC?
18
restrictions and rules about how the subsidiaries have
19
to be set up, they can't have interlocking boards,
20
that kind of stuff, based on the Job Options.
21
pretended -- Tina pretended that she was going to call
22
Justice and put them out of business.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
So they did promulgate some
They
Job Ops?
She was going to report -- yeah,
she was going to put them out of business, because
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they were corrupt as the day is long too.
It was one
2
of our former board members, William Nee.
She never
3
called them.
4
this bullshit.
5
to come up with stricter guidelines for your
6
situation.
She had these hearings.
It was all one of those.
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
She did all
But it was
For me.
But they didn't say it, I mean,
yeah.
10
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
11
MS. ROBINSON:
So it would be you and others who
12
have these too, but a lot of the Goodwills -- and I
13
used to be general counsel for Goodwill, so all those
14
people you see, yeah, I know that whole crazy network,
15
and they all have subsidiary corporations to house all
16
the NISH contracts because there are ratio problems.
17
So remember it's agency-wide.
18
a lot better than 75 percent of 1,000.
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
21
24
25
Right.
Which would be their situation if
they didn't spin off these subsidiary corps.
22
23
So 75 percent of 100 is
MR. LOPEZ:
Of the same name?
They use the same
name?
MS. ROBINSON:
No, they don't use the same name.
They'll use like --- did I introduce you to Bill
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Jesse, the guy that's kind of red in the face from
2
Louisiana?
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
No.
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
David.
No.
Okay.
We were in the -- no.
Yes, I
did, when we were in the -- he got your card.
MR. LOPEZ:
9
10
11
No, maybe it was
David.
6
8
I thought I did.
Oh, that gentleman, yes.
MS. ROBINSON:
for now?
When I said, who the hell you work
Because remember I was teasing him?
12
MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, that's right, that's right.
13
MS. ROBINSON:
Because he said, I don't work for
14
Goodwill anymore, I work for Goodworks.
15
CEO.
16
too many, but what the hell are you talking about?
17
That's our subsidiary corporation for our NISH
18
contracts.
19
AbilityOne contracts.
20
mean, there are a lot of people who have subsidiary
21
corporations.
22
dressing around it.
23
said, Ruben, you can make this work, but you've got
24
to put some other stuff in place so they don't --
25
He was the
I'm like, Bill, I maybe might have had one beer
They call them NISH contracts, but
And so there are a lot -- I
It's just they need to put some window
MR. LOPEZ:
Like when I first met you, I
Sure.
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MS. ROBINSON:
-- you know, they can't get you
2
on that stuff.
3
anymore.
4
record mantra for him, but he's off of that now.
5
But David, he doesn't sing that tune
He's off that.
MR. LOPEZ:
That used to be a broken
He told us.
He came to my office and
6
said, you can now use TTCC, and you should use it.
7
used to say no.
8
9
MS. ROBINSON:
I
That's because I -- that's because
I caught his ass with Job Options.
10
that's in the West, all right?
11
couple others.
That's the West --
I got him with a
And PRIDE.
12
MR. LOPEZ:
And PRIDE, yes.
13
MS. ROBINSON:
You know, but if the government
14
just went after PRIDE, Henkel, Skookum, PCSI, just --
15
if they went after these top execs in the TFMs, it
16
would be just be headlines every day.
17
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
18
MS. ROBINSON:
But they've been to every one of
19
them.
20
for some reason, I guess they just don't know what
21
to -- they don't understand our program enough to know
22
what to look for, I guess.
23
24
25
Do you understand?
MR. LOPEZ:
They've had their own --
Correct, correct, correct.
Well,
we'll work on that.
MS. ROBINSON:
But more and more you have these
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employees on the inside saying, because they're
2
getting more and more blatant --
3
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
MS. ROBINSON:
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
MR. LOPEZ:
-- with what they're doing.
Yeah.
And that's problematic.
It is.
And Tina is letting it all happen.
You know, and that's -- that's one of
10
the things why -- I don't know if they're -- Dennis
11
Fields, Martin Williams, they like CH2M Hill.
12
13
14
MS. ROBINSON:
Dennis really liked them.
He
wanted us to partner with them.
MR. LOPEZ:
However, these guys are pretty
15
straight.
They're black and white.
16
that would work for them.
17
MS. ROBINSON:
18
MR. LOPEZ:
I don't know if
You see what I'm saying?
Um-hmm.
And now I'm afraid that since they
19
partner with us, now we're both going to be looked at
20
like --
21
MS. ROBINSON:
22
MR. LOPEZ:
23
MS. ROBINSON:
24
25
Are they trying to blackball you?
Who?
Oh, yes.
You mean the --
Now that Martin is trying to get
three other people.
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah, yeah.
They are.
They are.
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MS. ROBINSON:
how blatant.
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
But, see, that's what I mean about
Right.
You had already written them and
called them to the carpet --
6
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
7
MS. ROBINSON:
8
MR. LOPEZ:
9
MS. ROBINSON:
-- for that.
Right.
And then he still keeps going.
10
MR. LOPEZ:
11
MS. ROBINSON:
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
been sued personally.
14
15
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't get that.
I'm going to sue him.
MS. ROBINSON:
But I don't get that.
MR. LOPEZ:
17
MS. ROBINSON:
18
said, stop the bullshit.
Yeah, yeah.
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
22
toilet paper.
It's like, okay, he called and you
Right.
And you said, no, bring more
You know, I just --
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
I guess it's going to take a
23
slap in the face, a kick in the butt.
24
whatever.
25
Do you
understand what I'm saying, Ruben?
16
21
He has never
MS. ROBINSON:
Do you get that?
I don't know,
I don't get
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that.
You know when I was a kid, if I was doing
2
something wrong, a neighbor or something said, Jean,
3
stop it.
4
time.
I might give them all kind of guff at the
5
MR. LOPEZ:
6
MS. ROBINSON:
7
Right.
But when I get back home, I don't
do that again.
8
MR. LOPEZ:
That's right.
9
MS. ROBINSON:
These guys are just the opposite.
10
You say, stop it.
They go, how dare you tell me to
11
stop it, I'm going to keep going, like that.
12
you told them clearly, you wrote them a letter, you
13
wrote an e-mail, you talked about it, did all these
14
things.
15
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
16
MS. ROBINSON:
I mean,
Yeah.
And then he -- and then he
17
continues, and then -- so now it's just testosterone,
18
because now it's not only am I going to tell them --
19
I'm going to introduce them to two more CRPs they
20
should partner with.
21
MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
Right, right.
So when your guys clearly said,
23
this is who we won with, you're not bringing any more
24
dates to the party, what did they say?
25
MR. LOPEZ:
Boy, you --
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MS. ROBINSON:
2
MR. LOPEZ:
3
Was Dennis in the meeting?
No.
I will leave it alone, because
you said he sometimes gets a conscience; am I correct?
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah, sometimes.
Sometimes.
So I figured I'm not
6
going to bother him until I have to, because I know
7
I'm going to end up there anyway.
8
you know, they can partner with whomever they want.
9
said, fine, but we're going to -- we're the core, and,
They said, well,
I
10
thankfully, Andrea Thompson from CH2M Hill said to
11
them, that's fine, but we have a core relationship
12
with Bona Fide, anything that we do with anybody else
13
will have to be through them, and they just went.
14
MS. ROBINSON:
15
MR. LOPEZ:
16
complete silence.
17
them --
19
Nothing.
MR. LOPEZ:
21
MS. ROBINSON:
Okay.
Yes, we do.
Okay.
Good, good, good, good.
Good.
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MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
You got some kind of agreement
between you and CH2M Hill?
20
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Just silence, silence,
And that's when Andrea said to
MS. ROBINSON:
18
What did they say?
good too.
However -You need to bind them up pretty
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MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah, yeah.
We do, and we're in the
process of getting tighter.
3
MS. ROBINSON:
4
MR. LOPEZ:
Okay.
Good.
But the situation is that -- here's
5
the situation.
6
should mentor other people as well.
7
through them we will.
8
tried already to partner with some of the large
9
agencies, they didn't pass muster, we couldn't, we
10
MS. ROBINSON:
have been?
13
14
quiet.
And David said, who would that
No, he didn't.
He just sat quiet,
And she did not --
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, how did you know who it was
then?
17
MR. LOPEZ:
18
MS. ROBINSON:
19
MR. LOPEZ:
She told me afterwards.
So who did she say it was?
She told me it was PRIDE.
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PRIDE Industries.
21
record, safety record.
22
And that's when they said, we
Did he say that?
MR. LOPEZ:
15
16
She says, well,
were right at the end and they couldn't do it.
11
12
That's when David said, well, but you
It was
They said they have a horrible
MS. ROBINSON:
They do.
They are.
They're
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horrible in a lot of ways, and they're unethical on
24
top of it.
25
MR. LOPEZ:
Correct, correct.
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MS. ROBINSON:
they got -- they are the new NCED of the program.
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
And they don't care because
The new NCED.
Remember the one in El Paso who
calls the black guy, that the guy is --
6
MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, yeah, yeah.
7
MS. ROBINSON:
-- now in jail for ten years, the
8
whole -- when I say they're the new -- ReadyOne is the
9
new name of the agency, but NCED is the big scandal
10
for the AbilityOne program, and the guy is now in jail
11
and so is the COO and the board chair, and it was --
12
ask your Justice department friends.
13
spent more money on that whole prosecution of that and
14
the corruption associated with that than on 9/11, and
15
that's a lot of money.
16
MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
18
MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
They said they
It's a lot of money.
It's as much as our program is.
Yes.
And so when I say they're the new,
20
because they're so arrogant with it now because they
21
know they got everybody, Jim -- they got everybody in
22
their pocket.
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MR. LOPEZ:
Jim Barone.
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MS. ROBINSON:
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MR. LOPEZ:
Tina.
Right.
Tina and Jim.
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MS. ROBINSON:
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
6
7
8
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What else do you
need?
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5
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
If you got all the power people,
what else do you need?
MR. LOPEZ:
What else do you need?
Well, there
is the story of David and Goliath.
MS. ROBINSON:
Yeah, I guess, but I don't even
know that anybody is on to them.
I mean, Justice was
10
on to them, then off of them, and on to them, but they
11
really are the new NCED of the program.
12
don't -- you don't know much about what's happening
13
with NC -- what happened with NCED and ReadyOne?
14
MR. LOPEZ:
15
MS. ROBINSON:
And you
Hmm-um.
You need that as background
16
knowledge, because the reason you need it as
17
background is what they said is that NISH was
18
complicit, they're a bad apple all on their own, but
19
we would go there and do compliance review after
20
compliance review.
21
had 7.5 percent.
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MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
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25
Instead of having 75 percent, they
Oh, my goodness.
Unprecedented in the history of
the program.
MR. LOPEZ:
7.5.
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I mean, and they said, well, how
2
is it that NISH could go there year after year and not
3
notice that and how would they let them count the
4
inability to speak English, a lot of Hispanic people
5
coming over from the border there, from down in
6
Juarez --
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
Right.
-- and El Paso, that if you
couldn't speak English you were disabled.
10
MR. LOPEZ:
Oh, my goodness.
11
MS. ROBINSON:
So they were counting -- you know,
12
they got all these people from Levi Strauss.
13
know, that stuff was on PBS.
14
Minutes.
You
We were about to make 60
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MR. LOPEZ:
Wow.
16
MS. ROBINSON:
17
finally got some relief.
18
So, believe me, Justice understands.
19
knew the OIG Inspector General was from the NCED
20
matter.
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MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
It's been a while since 2006.
People have gone to jail.
That's how they knew -- it was
like, oh, are you still there?
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sorry.
MR. LOPEZ:
That's how I
Okay.
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We
Job security.
I say, yeah, yeah,
They're going to need
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you for a while.
MS. ROBINSON:
So they're -- so they're familiar
with -- but that one made headlines all over.
4
MR. LOPEZ:
(Unintelligible).
5
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, that's why I say to you
6
that's within the -- I've got my resume out in the
7
street, just got to find a job, because nothing daunts
8
these guys.
9
those guys went to jail.
I mean, they just won't be deterred.
And
Bob Jones is sitting in jail
10
for ten years, Ruben.
11
68 million.
12
Lopez, he had to pay back 3 million.
13
three years, yeah, and 3 or 4 million dollars.
14
board chair, he plea bargained and got three years and
15
a couple million.
16
Jim Barone and Bob and Tina.
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18
19
20
The COO who had Dennis's job, Ernie
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah.
He only got
The
So if that didn't speak to
I get it.
I get it.
I get it.
Well, thank you for that little insight.
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, but the NCED would be good
reading for you.
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MR. LOPEZ:
22
MS. ROBINSON:
23
MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
25
He had to pay back $68 million,
Say it again.
NCED.
Okay.
Look them up on the internet,
NCED, El Paso, Texas.
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MR. LOPEZ:
El Paso, Texas.
2
MS. ROBINSON:
Oh, yeah.
And the guy Ernesto
3
Lopez at the trial, we had to go down and testify.
4
That's when I first found out they ran the commission
5
corrupt as hell, I mean, but they ended up testifying
6
for the government and looking like good guys, but the
7
truth of the matter was they were turning their head,
8
and the motivation for turning their head is they were
9
our number one agency.
10
revenue is coming --
11
MR. LOPEZ:
12
MS. ROBINSON:
So the number one amount of
From them.
And that's what's going on with
13
PRIDE.
That's why Bob and those guys do that.
14
know where we get our money from.
15
MR. LOPEZ:
16
MS. ROBINSON:
17
18
Right.
Off the top of your contracts.
So
whoever has the most, we got to be nice to them.
MR. LOPEZ:
Our little -- our little Bona Fide
19
piece is 36,000 a year.
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MS. ROBINSON:
21
MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
23
MR. LOPEZ:
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MS. ROBINSON:
25
They
You can --
Right.
I can only imagine -Right.
-- what PRIDE gives them.
Well, you don't have to imagine.
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MR. LOPEZ:
2
MS. ROBINSON:
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
5
Yeah, I can do the math.
386 million a year.
Yeah, that's --
No, but 4 percent.
We only get
4 percent.
6
MR. LOPEZ:
7
MS. ROBINSON:
8
386 and 4 percent of that.
Right.
So if they're doing 386, whatever,
but still.
9
MR. LOPEZ:
10
retire on that.
Yeah, it's considerable.
11
MS. ROBINSON:
12
operating revenue.
13
MR. LOPEZ:
14
MS. ROBINSON:
Um-hmm.
I could
And so it's your
Right.
So the little guy is saying that's
15
the motivation for NISH turning its head, not
16
necessarily that, you know, PRIDE is peeling off money
17
and giving it to you personally, but --
18
MR. LOPEZ:
But if they want it to be honest, the
19
same amount of contracts spread over a number of
20
agencies, it's still the same amount of contracts.
21
MS. ROBINSON:
Let me explain the mentality.
22
Those huge agencies have a lot of money, a lot of
23
reserves, a lot of personnel to throw at stuff.
24
NISH people are lazy.
25
project with somebody big and can deploy 4,000 people
The
It's a lot easier to start a
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to a site in three days, you know --
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MR. LOPEZ:
Sure.
3
MS. ROBINSON:
-- than to work with two or three
4
agencies and maybe train them all.
5
They don't have to work that hard for money.
6
their thought.
7
MR. LOPEZ:
8
MS. ROBINSON:
9
That's just extra.
That's
Like a co-captain.
You've got a bunch of lazy,
incompetent, poor white guys, who now have a job and a
10
little bit of money and some power.
11
have in this program, and they have -- they'll die for
12
each other too pretty much, and they've got a lot of
13
promises in the future.
14
I saw Jim Barone today.
That's what you
I said, hello, Jim.
15
Hey, Jim.
That's all I said to him, but -- and they
16
just won't -- they just won't kick the bucket.
17
I'm relatively young, I got out of school, and some of
18
these guys, you know, I've been knowing them since I
19
got out of school, because when I was counsel at
20
Goodwill, it's the same -- at that time it wasn't that
21
big and famous to have a NISH contract, but still the
22
same characters.
23
later, they're still running something, they're
24
still -- you go, what the hell am I doing here?
25
it's like a bad penny, and they're very incestuous.
Ruben,
And you see these guys 25 years
And
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Goodwill, 189 affiliates in the United States and 45
2
or 46 overseas.
3
MR. LOPEZ:
4
MS. ROBINSON:
Wow.
Out of all of those, we have one
5
Hispanic CEO who's from Cuba, and they might even have
6
a black now, one black, and about 20 women.
7
MR. LOPEZ:
Wow.
8
MS. ROBINSON:
So I just want you to understand
9
what you're dealing with, and they just keep passing
10
these jobs amongst each other time after time after
11
time.
12
sheer economics and demographics are changing that for
13
them.
14
I mean, how the hell do you have a 2 point -- I think
15
it was almost a 3-billion-dollar operation and only
16
have one Hispanic and one black out of almost 200 CEOs
17
and 200 affiliates across the country and 45 across
18
the world.
It's a very closed system, and it's just now
They're not -- they're not letting anybody in.
You would think at least over in --
19
MR. LOPEZ:
20
MS. ROBINSON:
21
Somewhere.
countries you would have --
22
MR. LOPEZ:
23
MS. ROBINSON:
24
25
-- well, over in the respective
Right, right.
Wow.
I mean, I'm just trying to give
you an idea of what you're -MR. LOPEZ:
Not that either.
Dealing with.
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MS. ROBINSON:
-- what you're dealing with, and
2
they -- like I said, they're not rocket scientists.
3
You know, they got these jobs.
4
off in rehab or whatever, they're just not the
5
brightest people, but they now have power, and they
6
have some money, and they're not worried about
7
sustenance because they know that their boys are going
8
to keep -- there's just no room at the table for these
9
guys, but if you don't know anybody, you don't
Many of them started
10
understand why in a 2.8-billion-dollar program there
11
isn't so much room that you need more people.
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
MS. ROBINSON:
14
Right.
From the outside, you know, you
would think why don't you just diversify this.
15
MR. LOPEZ:
Why don't they have this open table
16
where you come and apply and you have the university
17
and every year people go there and they can come?
18
Why?
19
MS. ROBINSON:
They don't have to because they're
20
not -- well, the commission does because that's
21
federal government appropriated money.
22
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
23
MS. ROBINSON:
But NISH is a private corporation,
24
you know, and so they don't -- you know, it's not like
25
they're getting government funding so therefore
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they've got to be open to the world.
2
to, and they're not.
3
MR. LOPEZ:
They're not.
They don't have
Because I was thinking,
4
if I were them, I would stop and think that sooner or
5
later I'm going to have to answer to these people that
6
are coming and say, hey, we came, if nothing else.
7
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, and that's the other part,
8
is that why do people with disabilities and some of
9
the other people don't come and say, what are you
10
people doing?
11
going to get ugly soon is, who are you going to -- you
12
know all that crap they gave you about, Ruben, in your
13
heart of hearts you really don't serve people with
14
disabilities and it's just a sham.
15
Because that's the other thing that's
I told them, I said the other day -- we were in a
16
meeting.
They get so mad at me.
I said, well,
17
there's this big case going on in or Oregon where they
18
want to get rid of all the sheltered workshops, and
19
the Obama administration intervened in the case,
20
Justice intervened, and said it's discriminatory to
21
have sheltered workshop, so in Oregon they're going to
22
get rid all of them by 2000 -- they're not, but that's
23
what they say.
24
program is not to get people with disabilities in it
25
to stay in it forever, the whole model is it's
And so I said, well, the point of our
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supposed to get you in, get you trained up so you can
2
go out into competitive employment in the world and
3
then we're supposed to get some more in.
4
what's happening, because people don't want to move
5
them out because they're going to screw up their
6
ratio, they've got to go find some new ones.
7
work.
8
they're supposed to do anyway, and that's where Ice is
9
coming from, you know, his take is, how many people
10
with disabilities are really getting employed here,
11
how many are getting placed out in the world, and are
12
you doing what you say you're supposed to do.
It's hard work.
MR. LOPEZ:
14
MS. ROBINSON:
15
looking for a job.
16
these industry day people too.
Absolutely.
17
MR. LOPEZ:
18
MS. ROBINSON:
And, you know, Tina is busy
Now, she'll take a job in some of
You think she would.
That whole thing when we sat in
that room by invitation only --
20
MR. LOPEZ:
21
MS. ROBINSON:
22
That's
So they're not doing what
13
19
That's not
Right.
-- and she got up and gave her
spiel.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
Yeah, yeah.
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
MR. LOPEZ:
That was an interview.
Right.
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MS. ROBINSON:
2
MR. LOPEZ:
3
MS. ROBINSON:
You guys just didn't get it.
Right.
No, I know that.
She was just trying to show --
4
well, I'm sure the people like from CH2, they were
5
supposed to be impressed, and she was trying to kind
6
of say, I run this whole 2.8-billion-dollar program
7
and I'm the cat's meow, and she was trying to make a
8
home for her, because generally now -- this part is
9
true.
When Bob and all of the white guys retired from
10
the military or the government, all this beltway band,
11
they were trying to get them.
12
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
13
MS. ROBINSON:
They ain't trying to get Tina, but
14
she -- you know, she hasn't figured that part out yet.
15
So now it's going to be interesting because I know she
16
wanted a job with CH2 and now that you're hooked in
17
with them.
18
MR. LOPEZ:
She wanted a job with CH2M Hill?
19
MS. ROBINSON:
She wants any of those guys, any
20
of those huge federal government contractors, she
21
wanted -- yeah, because, I mean, you know, she wanted
22
to say, hey, I'm your -- I'm your person.
23
MR. LOPEZ:
24
MS. ROBINSON:
25
Wow.
So it's a self-interest thing,
and then the people with disabilities
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2
MR. LOPEZ:
Is she going to be here tomorrow for
3
that industry day?
4
MS. ROBINSON:
Oh, I would think so.
You know, I
5
would think that's the only thing she would want to be
6
here for, but I don't know.
7
throwing little -- little tidbits, you keep throwing
8
little tidbits, but Martin, he just won't back off of
9
you, will he?
10
MR. LOPEZ:
11
I'm going to -MS. ROBINSON:
12
13
He won't.
down.
You know, David keeps
I'm going to have to --
Even David knows when to back
I give David that much credit.
14
MR. LOPEZ:
Right.
15
MS. ROBINSON:
16
MR. LOPEZ:
17
MS. ROBINSON:
18
MR. LOPEZ:
I mean, he's a snake.
Right.
But he knows when to retreat.
Right, right.
One thing that
19
maybe you can share with him, we're very, I mean,
20
totally on board is, I totally -- we're making people
21
personally responsible for their actions.
22
did to us out there just woke up a whole --
23
MS. ROBINSON:
24
a little bit.
25
little bit.
What Martin
It might -- it might scare him off
It might.
Maybe that would jolt him a
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MR. LOPEZ:
You know, that's what we're going to
2
do.
3
haven't told David as much.
4
you've got to do what is right.
5
That's what we're going to do.
MS. ROBINSON:
I told David -- I
I just said, you know,
But what has he done now?
I mean,
6
he's trying to knock you out of -- so you would do
7
tortious interference with a business relationship?
8
9
10
11
MR. LOPEZ:
Absolutely.
Correct, correct, correct.
And we have all the witnesses.
MS. ROBINSON:
to CHM2?
Do you have anybody that would tell you?
12
MR. LOPEZ:
13
MS. ROBINSON:
14
MR. LOPEZ:
15
MS. ROBINSON:
16
17
Now, is he bad-mouthing you guys
We're working on that.
Right now --
You need somebody to tell you.
Right now he's -He wouldn't be that stupid, I
don't think.
MR. LOPEZ:
I think he would.
I think he would,
18
because he did reach out to CH2M Hill and said, get
19
over here, you need to be at the industry day, and
20
they kept inviting them.
21
Hill was asking us, what's going on?
22
go ahead, just respond.
23
go, we want to see it, but, you know, we're watching.
24
25
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, hang in there.
They didn't know that CH2M
I said, respond,
They leave you bread crumbs,
Right.
I gotcha.
All right.
I will -- I will -- what's your
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lawyer's first name again?
2
MR. LOPEZ:
3
MS. ROBINSON:
4
5
6
7
somewhere.
Dan, Daniel.
Yeah.
Dan Cragg.
I got that written
It's in my file.
MR. LOPEZ:
That's okay.
If you need anything,
let me know.
MS. ROBINSON:
Well, how long is it going to take
8
him to figure out these people are crazy?
9
minutes probably.
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CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
STATE OF MINNESOTA
COUNTY OF SCOTT
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Be it known that I transcribed the foregoing
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three audio recordings from audio links e-mailed to me
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by Daniel Cragg, Attorney;
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That the foregoing transcript is a true and
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correct transcript done to the best of my ability and
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subject to the provisions of the "Notes" listed on
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page 2 of this transcript;
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That I am not related to nor an employee of any
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of the parties hereto, nor a relative or employee of
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any party or counsel employed by the parties hereto,
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nor interested in the outcome of any action related
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hereto.
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WITNESS MY HAND AND SEAL this 7th day of
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45 [2] - 210:1, 210:17
46 [1] - 210:2
4:00 [1] - 102:15
5
50 [1] - 189:23
500-million-dollar
[1] - 46:18
6
60 [2] - 186:11,
205:13
65 [1] - 168:21
68 [1] - 206:11
6:00 [1] - 18:22
7
7.5 [2] - 204:21,
204:25
75 [3] - 195:17,
195:18, 204:20
7th [1] - 218:19
8
8-A [1] - 83:20
9
9/11 [1] - 203:14
9:00 [1] - 18:24
A
A-2 [2] - 108:6, 108:9
ability [3] - 13:3,
89:24, 218:9
AbilityOne [12] -
28:2, 29:19, 30:23,
31:11, 61:24, 86:15,
91:24, 141:1, 141:5,
141:7, 196:19, 203:10
able [13] - 10:13,
37:20, 38:18, 40:19,
41:20, 44:22, 52:24,
96:20, 112:12, 153:1,
163:10, 184:2, 190:22
Abraham [1] - 54:11
absolutely [8] 37:11, 74:11, 130:19,
184:7, 186:1, 213:13,
216:9
accept [2] - 39:12,
43:11
accepting [1] 109:10
accidently [1] 126:3
according [5] - 13:4,
61:24, 104:9, 135:4,
135:6
accused [9] - 25:2,
100:2, 100:4, 100:19,
100:21, 101:5,
101:15, 101:17,
101:20
accusing [5] - 43:6,
93:12, 93:13, 97:24,
97:25
acquiring [1] - 175:9
Act [1] - 63:9
act [1] - 145:19
acted [2] - 128:6
action [4] - 65:9,
72:1, 99:16, 218:15
actions [1] - 215:21
active [1] - 148:11
actual [1] - 83:7
ACWC [3] - 157:14,
161:17, 182:5
Ada [3] - 120:5,
120:6
add [3] - 36:10,
94:10, 111:6
address [2] - 67:7,
106:22
addressed [3] 23:21, 79:22, 110:20
adds [1] - 154:4
administration [1] 212:19
admit [1] - 134:8
admitted [1] - 158:19
adopted [1] - 187:4
adult [2] - 12:3, 22:4
advantage [2] 160:13, 166:11
advertising [1] -
46:22
advice [1] - 174:18
advisor [1] - 28:20
affiliates [2] - 210:1,
210:17
afraid [2] - 24:24,
198:18
African [2] - 95:25,
148:5
African-American
[2] - 95:25, 148:5
afternoon [4] 91:18, 96:8, 99:2,
188:8
afterwards [1] 202:17
agencies [13] 49:19, 83:6, 125:8,
125:18, 137:16,
137:17, 139:17,
142:9, 173:9, 202:9,
208:20, 208:22, 209:4
agency [17] - 80:8,
86:7, 87:19, 87:21,
88:9, 88:13, 106:19,
119:20, 124:15,
141:24, 142:9,
161:14, 161:17,
172:7, 195:17, 203:9,
207:9
Agency [2] - 84:23,
85:13
agency-wide [1] 195:17
agenda [2] - 111:6,
178:18
agents [4] - 51:8,
52:4, 52:10, 52:11
Agility [2] - 140:3,
140:24
ago [11] - 7:5, 19:3,
21:15, 22:22, 56:14,
85:22, 85:23, 86:7,
98:16, 162:20, 182:5
agonized [1] - 66:18
agree [12] - 25:13,
25:14, 54:23, 81:24,
89:11, 166:17, 173:18
agreed [2] - 107:2,
131:9
agreement [7] 43:23, 43:24, 114:23,
141:19, 141:21,
142:13, 201:18
ahead [8] - 49:9,
49:16, 74:12, 74:13,
112:2, 142:16, 216:22
ahold [1] - 117:15
Aid [2] - 83:15
ain't [11] - 42:17,
99:10, 106:13,
110:22, 114:10,
136:4, 146:25,
150:22, 163:12,
168:23, 214:13
air [2] - 25:24, 39:24
aisle [1] - 136:6
alcohol [1] - 179:3
allegations [1] 111:16
allegedly [2] 174:23, 191:19
alleging [1] - 182:25
alliance [1] - 125:13
allowed [1] - 139:2
almost [6] - 49:18,
90:3, 160:21, 210:15,
210:16
alone [2] - 50:10,
201:2
amazes [1] - 138:19
amenable [1] - 84:10
America [1] - 25:16
American [2] - 95:25,
148:5
amount [3] - 207:9,
208:19, 208:20
amounts [1] - 48:11
amusing [1] - 25:21
AND [1] - 218:19
Andrea [4] - 75:5,
125:11, 201:10,
201:16
angels [2] - 192:14,
192:17
angle [2] - 83:22,
126:20
announced [1] 25:24
annoyed [2] 105:11, 116:6
answer [11] - 12:23,
36:5, 98:13, 110:1,
113:18, 117:20,
134:13, 168:10,
174:17, 175:16, 212:5
Antioch [1] - 148:14
Antonio [4] - 67:5,
72:15, 75:5, 182:16
anyway [28] - 9:8,
10:12, 22:6, 28:2,
28:13, 28:24, 36:25,
61:6, 61:18, 92:23,
94:12, 95:5, 95:11,
97:23, 110:5, 118:6,
121:9, 129:4, 130:4,
134:4, 137:12,
140:19, 149:8,
149:17, 162:8, 193:2,
201:7, 213:8
2
apologize [2] 20:24, 49:13
appeal [9] - 17:20,
43:16, 44:1, 57:24,
58:2, 108:2, 114:20,
116:20, 118:3
appealed [1] - 43:22
appealing [3] 106:16, 108:5, 114:25
appeals [2] - 110:13,
111:14
appearance [1] 163:15
apple [3] - 28:5,
154:3, 204:18
applicable [1] 193:23
applied [8] - 45:2,
45:23, 47:4, 47:5,
84:20, 84:22, 85:11,
144:14
apply [11] - 40:10,
44:23, 46:9, 47:5,
47:14, 85:24, 86:9,
86:24, 139:2, 162:18,
211:16
applying [6] - 37:10,
46:5, 47:10, 86:3,
161:12, 162:4
appointment [1] 147:8
appreciate [1] 91:23
appropriated [1] 211:21
approve [2] - 111:22,
177:5
ARC [1] - 23:6
archived [3] - 93:1,
96:19, 97:22
areas [2] - 87:10,
130:15
argue [1] - 105:19
arguing [1] - 66:6
armored [1] - 50:24
arrangement [1] 129:1
arrogant [3] - 25:21,
116:15, 203:20
article [1] - 78:24
articulate [1] - 29:3
articulated [1] 61:21
asleep [2] - 29:10,
142:25
ass [5] - 23:10,
23:15, 24:25, 71:25,
197:9
assault [1] - 28:15
assed [1] - 29:9
assessment [1] 156:7
asshole [2] - 24:15,
25:21
assigned [12] 57:17, 58:1, 59:11,
59:19, 108:15,
108:17, 109:7, 109:9,
109:16, 180:4
assist [3] - 175:9,
175:10, 177:18
assistance [1] 161:20
assisting [1] - 175:2
associate [1] - 21:1
associated [1] 203:14
assumed [1] - 22:3
assuming [4] 58:11, 58:12, 96:8,
96:11
assured [1] - 10:23
ate [1] - 184:20
Atkinson [3] - 157:4,
157:7, 162:11
attached [2] - 99:1,
178:18
attack [1] - 186:22
attacking [1] - 82:6
attend [1] - 96:12
attention [1] - 91:23
Attorney [2] - 2:3,
218:7
attorney [4] - 17:6,
18:2, 23:22, 59:13
AUDIO [1] - 1:5
audio [3] - 2:3, 218:6
audit [5] - 26:25,
27:8, 28:16, 28:20,
30:18
audition [1] - 146:11
August [1] - 218:20
Austin [2] - 119:20,
120:8
autistic [1] - 147:25
automatically [1] 37:9
avoid [2] - 110:10,
114:11
awaiting [3] - 92:1,
109:25
awarded [1] - 108:25
awarding [1] 133:19
aware [5] - 56:22,
63:7, 75:16, 91:5,
116:25
awful [1] - 41:2
awkward [1] - 149:23
B
B-1 [2] - 111:18,
117:2
backed [2] - 51:3,
130:12
background [2] 204:15, 204:17
backyard [1] - 71:4
bad [26] - 13:20,
16:17, 29:21, 30:9,
43:12, 62:19, 68:3,
94:11, 96:5, 109:14,
110:10, 111:24,
112:1, 136:3, 136:4,
147:25, 156:16,
165:4, 180:23,
184:23, 185:13,
186:18, 204:18,
209:25, 216:10
bad-mouthing [2] 13:20, 216:10
badly [2] - 65:12,
66:17
bag [3] - 7:2, 121:10,
167:11
Balbosa [1] - 65:23
band [1] - 214:10
banking [1] - 151:22
bankruptcy [1] 22:18
Baptist [3] - 148:4,
148:14, 148:15
Barbara [2] - 53:14,
53:20
Barbosa [1] - 181:20
barely [1] - 4:8
bargained [1] 206:14
Barone [17] - 23:13,
25:7, 26:24, 30:11,
32:1, 51:2, 53:16,
70:16, 77:15, 126:15,
127:1, 145:21,
146:18, 154:15,
203:23, 206:16,
209:14
barry [1] - 155:25
Barry [2] - 156:1,
156:2
Bartolo [2] - 121:24,
122:8
based [5] - 42:3,
94:3, 134:7, 163:15,
194:20
basement [1] - 92:17
basic [2] - 12:22,
116:20
basis [2] - 106:22,
167:24
basket [1] - 54:18
bat [1] - 125:5
bathtubs [1] - 178:24
be-all [1] - 133:17
beat [2] - 25:1, 106:8
beats [1] - 191:16
beautiful [5] - 62:4,
62:6, 62:8, 89:4,
178:7
Becky [1] - 94:2
becomes [2] - 52:15,
52:16
bed [1] - 141:8
beer [1] - 196:15
beginning [6] - 37:5,
37:14, 40:5, 113:10,
131:18, 187:8
begins [2] - 3:1,
119:1
behalf [1] - 78:5
behavior [4] - 78:6,
89:18, 89:19, 180:19
behind [5] - 27:11,
66:6, 93:16, 122:20,
171:7
behold [1] - 147:19
believes [1] - 171:19
bells [1] - 26:22
belong [2] - 14:11,
86:15
beltway [1] - 214:10
benefitting [1] 31:24
Benjamin [1] - 16:10
best [7] - 25:7, 54:5,
70:2, 89:24, 153:12,
182:7, 218:9
better [27] - 7:5, 8:1,
8:2, 16:11, 17:15,
37:3, 40:13, 42:11,
44:8, 44:12, 49:23,
52:22, 55:23, 80:16,
81:5, 102:25, 104:16,
104:23, 105:4, 105:6,
105:16, 115:22,
134:17, 154:6,
161:15, 168:22,
195:18
between [4] - 42:16,
130:22, 141:20,
201:19
big [42] - 12:3, 26:17,
40:9, 41:7, 45:21,
46:11, 46:18, 47:16,
47:17, 73:15, 77:3,
84:16, 105:25, 119:9,
124:5, 125:6, 125:23,
127:3, 134:15,
138:15, 143:25,
144:5, 144:15, 151:4,
156:15, 156:22,
156:23, 156:25,
167:8, 178:9, 178:24,
186:9, 192:3, 203:9,
208:25, 209:21,
212:17
bigger [2] - 179:7,
179:17
bilked [1] - 55:12
Bill [11] - 22:21,
27:17, 28:17, 110:20,
110:21, 111:15,
140:13, 195:25,
196:15
billing [2] - 60:16,
61:5
bind [4] - 160:23,
160:24, 182:15,
201:24
binder [1] - 64:19
bird [1] - 180:25
bird-dogging [1] 180:25
bit [14] - 3:14, 9:20,
23:21, 52:21, 54:9,
55:8, 81:23, 103:24,
136:7, 170:11,
209:10, 215:24,
215:25
bitching [2] - 46:16,
133:25
black [11] - 28:23,
29:3, 29:20, 153:25,
186:23, 187:15,
198:15, 203:5, 210:6,
210:16
blackball [1] 198:21
blackballed [1] 9:18
blah [45] - 41:9,
41:10, 43:9, 60:17,
64:13, 65:9, 65:10,
106:14, 133:12,
149:4, 150:16,
150:17, 164:25,
168:14, 171:5
blame [2] - 22:13,
22:14
blank [2] - 32:11,
35:14
blatant [5] - 138:19,
144:6, 164:9, 198:2,
199:2
blew [7] - 50:22,
60:9, 60:13, 60:14,
60:17, 68:16, 140:9
blow [5] - 22:10,
33:13, 50:23, 63:8,
172:20
3
blowing [2] - 61:12,
61:13
blue [2] - 25:24,
123:15
board [57] - 21:9,
22:11, 22:24, 23:25,
24:18, 24:23, 25:12,
26:2, 26:23, 26:24,
30:5, 30:12, 48:22,
50:16, 53:11, 53:14,
53:19, 53:24, 56:8,
81:16, 87:3, 90:15,
104:5, 109:22,
109:23, 110:24,
111:3, 111:12,
111:13, 111:16,
112:8, 114:1, 114:16,
115:15, 115:17,
116:15, 116:17,
117:11, 119:9,
154:19, 157:5, 157:8,
157:14, 161:16,
162:11, 162:17,
162:19, 162:21,
166:11, 166:13,
166:17, 183:11,
195:2, 203:11,
206:14, 215:20
boardroom [1] 149:15
boards [1] - 194:19
Bob [58] - 15:19,
15:23, 23:14, 26:15,
26:24, 27:14, 27:15,
28:9, 28:14, 29:7,
29:25, 30:5, 30:11,
31:18, 31:22, 32:5,
51:2, 53:16, 62:18,
68:3, 68:25, 70:16,
77:15, 91:5, 92:19,
92:21, 104:25,
144:17, 144:21,
145:20, 145:21,
146:14, 146:16,
146:17, 149:2,
149:18, 150:5,
150:18, 150:24,
151:6, 152:1, 155:14,
155:15, 158:12,
162:24, 167:2,
169:10, 170:4, 170:6,
170:12, 182:4, 184:8,
206:9, 206:16,
207:13, 214:9
Bob's [4] - 149:16,
151:5, 155:8, 155:9
body [1] - 151:7
bombers [1] - 126:24
Bona [15] - 74:16,
74:17, 77:4, 92:10,
93:8, 121:4, 125:13,
125:23, 135:7, 138:4,
153:11, 177:17,
194:16, 201:12,
207:18
border [3] - 61:4,
171:4, 205:5
boss [6] - 127:4,
149:6, 149:23,
150:20, 156:3, 182:6
Boston [1] - 126:24
bother [2] - 134:2,
201:6
bothers [1] - 127:21
bottom [1] - 41:12
bottomline [13] 9:17, 24:25, 44:7,
50:8, 68:22, 79:4,
97:23, 123:7, 137:13,
139:22, 140:19,
157:13, 164:19
bought [2] - 67:16,
80:7
bounce [3] - 148:25,
150:13, 187:25
bourgeois [1] 148:6
bow [1] - 117:9
box [5] - 140:20,
140:23, 144:16,
151:7, 158:15
boxed [2] - 103:6,
106:18
boy [6] - 63:25,
64:24, 94:20, 109:14,
164:15, 200:25
boys [4] - 9:4, 64:24,
147:25, 211:7
bread [1] - 216:22
break [1] - 158:25
breaks [3] - 38:14,
159:7, 159:13
breathes [1] - 89:1
Brenda [1] - 162:12
brief [1] - 74:22
briefly [1] - 117:25
bright [2] - 146:25,
164:23
brightest [2] - 7:17,
211:5
bring [10] - 72:1,
75:5, 77:8, 112:18,
117:6, 121:13, 135:9,
135:21, 166:3, 199:20
bringing [3] - 98:10,
117:13, 200:23
broken [1] - 197:3
Brooklyn [2] - 45:25,
46:1
brother's [1] - 19:1
brothers [1] - 158:25
brought [5] - 26:24,
30:11, 73:10, 102:17,
102:18
buck [1] - 60:25
bucket [1] - 209:16
bucks [1] - 144:5
buddies [1] - 25:7
buddy [1] - 157:10
Buffalo [1] - 46:7
bug [1] - 178:17
bugs [1] - 175:17
build [1] - 30:24
building [2] - 28:7,
28:9
Building [1] - 109:9
buildings [1] - 46:10
bulb [1] - 31:4
bullshit [13] - 34:14,
57:20, 61:15, 91:12,
96:17, 99:13, 108:13,
116:3, 116:7, 142:2,
143:7, 195:4, 199:18
bumped [2] - 126:4,
126:6
bunch [9] - 42:10,
54:3, 61:17, 81:18,
91:4, 98:23, 147:24,
209:8
burn [2] - 17:1, 53:2
burning [1] - 58:21
bus [4] - 5:17, 10:2,
120:25, 121:2
busier [1] - 136:18
business [16] 52:12, 54:5, 65:9,
75:24, 86:14, 93:19,
116:25, 117:1,
140:25, 142:10,
160:24, 161:19,
194:22, 194:25, 216:7
busy [6] - 50:6, 54:4,
90:19, 95:4, 155:8,
213:14
butt [1] - 199:23
bye [2] - 118:11
bye-bye [1] - 118:11
bylaws [1] - 53:23
C
cahoots [1] - 110:3
calculating [1] 12:10
California [2] 126:18, 128:18
Calvin [2] - 119:19,
120:15
Campa [1] - 29:1
camped [1] - 95:1
camps [1] - 45:7
Cannon [1] - 96:17
cannot [5] - 3:7,
16:15, 54:20, 55:6,
135:11
capability [2] - 42:5,
134:14
capacity [2] - 30:24,
141:1
Capital [3] - 99:25,
100:17, 101:13
captain [1] - 209:7
card [2] - 12:14,
196:8
care [8] - 63:18,
70:10, 79:24, 82:14,
162:22, 172:25, 203:1
careful [6] - 7:5,
12:11, 13:23, 15:8,
16:19, 166:8
Carlos [8] - 49:1,
50:14, 51:13, 51:16,
51:23, 154:16, 189:4
carpet [1] - 199:5
carry [2] - 90:7,
151:7
cart [1] - 154:4
cartel [1] - 67:15
case [20] - 11:18,
18:21, 55:9, 71:2,
74:18, 74:24, 75:16,
83:20, 97:14, 98:16,
109:12, 134:25,
136:22, 164:16,
169:11, 169:17,
171:21, 175:3,
212:17, 212:19
cases [1] - 70:4
Castdorf [1] - 47:20
cat's [1] - 214:7
catbird [2] - 57:2,
57:7
catch [7] - 6:13,
16:19, 18:23, 19:4,
31:17, 132:18, 189:1
Caucasian [1] 154:6
caught [4] - 61:16,
63:11, 65:2, 197:9
causing [2] - 88:20,
187:11
caviar [1] - 52:25
cc'd [1] - 145:2
cell [2] - 163:8,
163:17
Center [1] - 82:11
Central [2] - 96:7,
96:11
cents [1] - 189:24
CEO [5] - 91:21,
126:4, 185:4, 196:15,
210:5
CEOs [2] - 161:16,
210:16
certain [2] - 138:6,
164:21
certainly [5] - 55:14,
55:17, 111:19,
153:24, 157:25
CERTIFICATE [1] 218:1
certification [4] 168:20, 169:1, 169:2,
169:3
certifications [1] 175:9
CH [1] - 125:20
CH2 [2] - 214:4,
214:16
CH2M [17] - 5:1,
6:18, 124:20, 125:7,
128:10, 138:8, 146:7,
172:12, 173:8,
175:20, 198:11,
201:10, 201:19,
214:18, 216:18,
216:20
chair [12] - 22:24,
71:25, 84:4, 109:23,
110:24, 154:19,
154:24, 157:4, 157:7,
183:11, 203:11,
206:14
challenge [1] 134:18
challenged [1] - 79:9
Chamberlin [5] 23:14, 51:2, 70:16,
92:20, 182:4
chance [9] - 4:23,
5:19, 56:9, 111:11,
120:25, 121:10,
135:21, 136:13,
167:11
change [2] - 84:10,
159:4
changed [8] - 8:23,
14:15, 40:8, 40:9,
40:21, 53:7, 53:9,
53:23
changing [1] 210:12
channels [1] 119:14
character [1] - 76:6
characters [1] 209:22
charges [1] - 77:8
charging [1] - 61:5
check [7] - 50:14,
4
62:17, 73:9, 90:10,
103:23, 162:8, 163:17
cherry [1] - 36:10
chess [3] - 25:12,
53:19, 81:16
Chicago [1] - 120:2
chicken [1] - 87:11
CHM2 [1] - 216:11
chooses [1] - 12:11
Christmas [1] 159:3
chuckled [1] - 92:3
Chugetz [1] - 47:15
church [11] - 147:20,
147:21, 148:4, 148:8,
148:12, 148:15,
148:17, 150:15,
150:16, 153:6
Church [1] - 148:14
cities [1] - 45:11
citizen [1] - 83:10
citizens [1] - 54:13
city [1] - 53:22
claiming [2] - 60:17,
61:5
claims [2] - 37:19,
44:9
Claims [3] - 58:15,
58:25, 63:9
clarity [1] - 35:3
clean [4] - 152:2,
165:22, 166:2, 166:20
cleaning [1] - 120:9
clear [3] - 3:3, 10:23,
166:11
clearance [19] 32:17, 32:20, 35:15,
35:18, 44:22, 45:18,
87:3, 87:4, 87:7,
87:12, 87:21, 88:3,
88:13, 90:2, 97:1,
106:19, 112:14,
112:19, 130:6
clearly [8] - 13:9,
13:11, 34:22, 40:3,
145:17, 200:12,
200:22
clever [1] - 145:22
clicked [1] - 149:13
client [6] - 5:9,
11:21, 69:25, 76:24,
79:1, 124:12
clients [1] - 68:24
close [7] - 12:6,
16:13, 24:22, 84:24,
152:25, 156:15, 193:5
close-knit [1] 156:15
closed [2] - 110:11,
210:11
closer [1] - 105:21
closest [1] - 19:1
clothes [1] - 6:25
CMH2 [1] - 75:23
co [1] - 209:7
co-captain [1] 209:7
Coast [4] - 47:25,
119:8, 142:4, 142:5
coincidentally [2] 156:23, 184:2
colada [1] - 89:6
Coleman [2] - 27:17,
28:17
colleague [1] 131:19
color [1] - 187:14
colors [1] - 125:24
comfortable [3] 3:20, 150:8, 171:12
coming [30] - 17:24,
53:12, 54:24, 55:1,
56:8, 56:10, 66:18,
84:5, 84:8, 84:17,
100:14, 109:22,
111:7, 111:20,
113:13, 124:2,
141:15, 142:23,
142:24, 150:18,
150:22, 150:24,
165:15, 176:20,
177:24, 185:5, 205:5,
207:10, 212:6, 213:9
comment [1] - 57:22
comments [1] 27:11
commercial [1] 140:25
commission [50] 57:16, 57:17, 62:12,
64:7, 64:8, 71:8,
71:14, 71:18, 71:19,
77:10, 77:21, 78:12,
79:17, 80:1, 80:7,
80:21, 82:15, 82:17,
82:18, 82:22, 82:24,
83:8, 96:17, 108:2,
108:6, 109:8, 109:16,
113:2, 122:9, 122:10,
122:18, 126:22,
135:11, 136:4,
137:15, 138:16,
145:4, 145:5, 145:13,
155:22, 172:19,
183:10, 184:17,
188:11, 188:16,
191:17, 193:12,
193:25, 207:4, 211:20
committee [25] 24:22, 26:12, 26:25,
27:8, 27:18, 27:19,
28:16, 28:20, 30:17,
30:18, 31:3, 47:20,
48:2, 48:9, 59:10,
61:23, 71:8, 79:7,
111:3, 115:16,
116:23, 132:16,
157:14, 161:17
committing [2] 171:3, 171:4
commonplace [1] 79:13
communicate [1] 116:14
comp [1] - 25:3
companies [6] - 2:8,
28:3, 30:25, 31:10,
125:6, 125:23
company [11] 28:25, 29:5, 29:13,
29:14, 29:17, 30:2,
31:23, 31:24, 36:8,
141:4
compensation [2] 24:22, 78:23
compete [2] 138:23, 138:24
competing [2] 138:25, 162:13
competition [11] 42:20, 134:12,
139:11, 139:23,
160:10, 160:25,
161:12, 161:15,
163:4, 194:14
competitive [1] 213:2
complainant [1] 171:14
complaint [2] 171:11, 171:13
complete [1] 201:16
compliance [6] 122:9, 123:4, 124:3,
156:11, 204:19,
204:20
complicit [4] 127:20, 127:24,
139:4, 204:18
complied [1] - 50:18
composure [1] 49:14
compromise [3] 7:6, 7:19, 7:20
compromised [2] 145:22, 146:16
computer [5] 100:12, 100:13,
144:18, 179:8
conceiving [1] 161:18
concept [1] - 30:9
concerned [1] 168:9
concerns [5] - 61:22,
100:1, 100:18, 101:14
concurrent [1] 113:5
condoning [2] 116:7, 147:8
conduct [2] - 61:25,
64:17
conference [5] 33:25, 60:15, 60:19,
66:7, 142:23
conferred [1] - 68:8
confide [1] - 149:3
confidence [1] 54:12
confidential [1] 160:15
conflict [7] - 31:23,
47:17, 47:23, 64:2,
97:5, 161:25, 162:1
conflicted [2] 144:22, 149:9
conflicts [3] - 53:10,
53:11, 166:9
confrontational [1] 106:1
confronted [1] 122:1
Congressmen [1] 72:19
connected [2] 92:13, 137:12
connecting [2] 14:20, 29:19
connection [2] 31:4, 32:2
connections [2] 70:17, 154:23
conscience [2] 186:22, 201:3
consequences [1] 22:11
consider [1] - 116:24
considerable [1] 208:9
consultant [1] 31:21
consultants [1] 73:18
contact [3] - 17:7,
150:23, 163:18
contacted [2] 13:16, 102:22
contacts [2] 163:13, 163:14
contest [1] - 165:19
context [1] - 69:4
continue [2] - 96:12,
110:11
continued [1] - 94:18
continues [1] 200:17
continuing [1] 134:18
contract [11] - 48:11,
59:18, 59:19, 61:3,
87:9, 99:24, 100:16,
101:12, 186:9,
186:11, 209:21
contracting [11] 29:18, 33:17, 35:13,
35:16, 36:15, 39:8,
88:16, 98:13, 98:14,
103:17, 112:13
contractor [1] 87:21
contractors [1] 214:20
contracts [12] 44:18, 154:2, 161:13,
162:13, 162:21,
195:16, 196:18,
196:19, 207:16,
208:19, 208:20
control [7] - 68:2,
138:3, 185:3, 191:4,
191:5, 191:20
conversation [10] 9:14, 10:7, 89:17,
91:9, 91:19, 103:14,
170:4, 180:11,
180:16, 180:22
convert [1] - 141:2
convince [1] - 185:6
convinced [1] - 94:8
convincing [1] 188:9
COO [3] - 126:5,
203:11, 206:11
cool [2] - 16:3, 64:4
cooperate [1] - 182:8
coordinate [1] 10:18
copied [1] - 91:22
copies [1] - 92:1
copy [13] - 65:17,
112:12, 132:15,
135:14, 171:10,
171:13, 181:6,
182:23, 183:2, 183:4,
188:10, 188:12,
188:15
core [4] - 125:13,
162:13, 201:9, 201:11
corner [2] - 24:3,
5
54:25
corporation [3] 138:1, 196:17, 211:23
corporations [5] 127:3, 132:17, 194:9,
195:15, 196:21
corps [2] - 135:18,
195:21
correct [74] - 25:4,
31:1, 31:12, 31:15,
31:19, 34:23, 36:13,
36:17, 38:13, 38:16,
39:17, 39:22, 40:6,
40:14, 40:21, 42:9,
42:21, 44:20, 44:24,
51:10, 52:5, 56:17,
56:24, 59:3, 59:6,
60:3, 60:6, 68:13,
70:8, 71:9, 82:9,
84:11, 86:17, 87:15,
97:17, 98:22, 99:20,
103:20, 105:2, 108:7,
114:6, 114:9, 114:12,
115:4, 115:24,
116:22, 117:4,
117:17, 127:10,
127:11, 127:12,
197:23, 201:3,
202:25, 216:8, 218:9
correctly [1] - 127:3
correspondence [2]
- 55:22, 96:9
corresponding [1] 72:5
corrupt [4] - 16:17,
185:15, 195:1, 207:5
corruption [1] 203:14
cost [2] - 49:15,
58:20
Costco [1] - 63:21
counsel [15] - 21:2,
23:19, 65:23, 77:17,
149:3, 150:6, 153:18,
155:12, 156:11,
159:10, 182:15,
185:5, 195:13,
209:19, 218:14
counsel's [1] 114:17
count [2] - 95:6,
205:3
counting [1] - 205:11
countries [1] 210:21
country [2] - 128:25,
210:17
County [1] - 218:24
COUNTY [1] - 218:3
couple [13] - 12:22,
15:10, 28:8, 44:25,
46:3, 78:13, 97:21,
111:13, 115:8,
148:19, 148:20,
197:11, 206:15
courage [2] - 105:20,
116:11
course [26] - 3:4,
5:20, 8:18, 11:22,
26:18, 28:15, 36:1,
39:1, 39:3, 39:4, 58:5,
64:20, 98:22, 103:1,
107:9, 108:2, 114:24,
117:14, 129:22,
188:21, 189:17,
192:22, 192:23
court [3] - 69:11,
71:3
Court [2] - 58:15,
58:24
courtesy [1] - 91:22
courts [2] - 69:1,
71:6
cowards [1] - 116:10
crack [1] - 143:1
Cragg [3] - 2:3,
217:2, 218:7
crap [4] - 82:20,
99:19, 119:12, 212:12
craziness [4] 24:15, 27:21, 116:15,
176:7
crazy [6] - 80:21,
82:4, 147:17, 169:16,
195:14, 217:8
create [2] - 29:13,
70:12
created [4] - 33:15,
37:5, 37:14, 98:20
credit [3] - 168:23,
194:15, 215:13
crime [1] - 80:10
critical [2] - 30:17,
82:5
crook [1] - 157:15
crooked [4] - 126:8,
126:10, 164:10, 165:2
cross [1] - 23:22
cross-eyed [1] 23:22
CRP [11] - 108:17,
135:10, 153:19,
162:2, 162:3, 162:12,
164:22, 164:23,
165:3, 165:14, 165:16
CRPs [7] - 5:3,
32:19, 86:19, 163:18,
163:20, 164:25,
200:19
crumbs [1] - 216:22
Cuba [1] - 210:5
Cullen [1] - 22:21
current [1] - 139:25
customer [12] 33:14, 33:17, 34:14,
34:16, 34:18, 34:21,
37:14, 37:16, 39:20,
39:23, 41:19, 85:17
cut [7] - 3:2, 41:10,
134:1, 137:11,
173:10, 173:20,
173:22
cute [3] - 92:21,
92:22
cutting [1] - 133:24
CW [3] - 33:10, 59:4,
109:19
D
D.C [1] - 72:17
dad [2] - 119:20,
120:13
damages [1] - 166:9
damn [10] - 62:24,
63:16, 64:19, 129:12,
159:13, 165:1,
166:24, 180:12,
182:14, 192:7
Dan [12] - 47:20,
48:1, 59:13, 64:12,
160:11, 160:16,
161:8, 163:6, 163:11,
164:3, 217:2
dance [2] - 141:14,
143:11
Daniel [3] - 2:3,
217:2, 218:7
dare [1] - 200:10
darn [2] - 60:18,
135:23
data [1] - 64:17
date [4] - 37:23,
38:18, 103:15
dates [1] - 200:24
daughter [3] - 30:4,
147:23, 148:1
daughter's [1] - 30:3
daunts [1] - 206:7
Dave [2] - 74:5,
127:14
david [1] - 6:12
David [104] - 4:4,
5:21, 6:6, 6:8, 9:13,
9:17, 10:3, 24:20,
26:14, 47:10, 47:15,
47:16, 48:10, 48:12,
50:21, 52:21, 60:12,
64:12, 67:23, 71:2,
71:12, 71:13, 71:18,
71:20, 71:21, 72:2,
76:7, 77:5, 77:8, 77:9,
77:19, 78:4, 78:14,
83:23, 85:10, 85:21,
85:24, 89:18, 89:21,
90:3, 96:9, 96:11,
106:7, 106:8, 106:24,
112:17, 112:20,
117:6, 121:1, 121:9,
122:18, 123:2, 124:5,
124:11, 124:17,
124:23, 125:5,
131:13, 131:14,
137:19, 144:14,
144:17, 157:12,
157:19, 157:21,
157:22, 158:3,
158:16, 158:17,
158:18, 160:9, 162:6,
170:19, 171:20,
174:8, 174:25, 176:6,
176:18, 177:1, 177:3,
178:11, 178:15,
180:12, 182:9, 186:8,
187:4, 189:25,
190:14, 196:5, 196:6,
197:2, 202:5, 202:11,
204:7, 215:6, 215:12,
215:13, 216:2, 216:3
David's [8] - 9:1,
48:10, 55:22, 64:1,
64:6, 71:12, 157:10
Davis [1] - 156:19
dawn [1] - 143:1
day-to-day [1] 185:4
days [12] - 38:10,
38:17, 38:18, 40:22,
47:6, 51:8, 52:22,
55:25, 57:19, 57:22,
57:25, 209:1
dead [8] - 41:4, 41:5,
42:3, 65:2, 134:11,
134:13, 150:23,
168:13
deal [16] - 26:5, 26:7,
40:9, 44:1, 47:17,
80:24, 105:4, 112:1,
129:7, 137:16, 141:9,
142:24, 143:2,
151:12, 154:12,
166:25
dealing [4] - 81:21,
210:9, 210:25, 211:1
dear [1] - 32:4
death [1] - 184:25
debrief [7] - 47:2,
129:16, 159:17,
167:25, 168:1, 168:2,
168:7
debriefing [7] 129:9, 130:14, 131:6,
132:24, 133:3, 135:4,
135:6
debriefings [2] 129:10, 157:24
decide [2] - 36:14,
141:4
decided [3] - 8:24,
9:24, 141:5
decision [2] - 15:24,
97:7
declined [1] - 78:21
deep [1] - 60:4
deeper [1] - 60:5
Defamation [1] 43:9
defend [4] - 11:11,
105:15, 170:16,
170:18
defendant [2] 182:10
defendants [1] 171:21
defense [1] - 189:16
defenses [1] 159:25
definitely [3] - 67:23,
72:8, 136:16
definitive [1] - 34:16
definitively [1] 39:24
delete [1] - 177:7
deliver [1] - 34:9
demographics [1] 210:12
Denise [2] - 13:20,
13:23
Dennis [60] - 15:19,
15:24, 16:1, 27:15,
27:16, 32:8, 34:2,
36:14, 38:25, 39:9,
39:10, 39:13, 40:8,
40:25, 42:23, 43:15,
44:2, 62:22, 63:22,
63:23, 68:3, 68:25,
77:7, 77:17, 77:18,
78:3, 91:4, 91:21,
94:24, 96:24, 97:10,
97:14, 104:3, 105:24,
107:21, 112:3,
112:11, 113:22,
114:1, 114:4, 115:7,
116:3, 117:19,
142:20, 145:20,
155:11, 155:14,
156:10, 162:24,
162:25, 165:23,
167:7, 172:13,
172:15, 175:24,
6
198:10, 198:12, 201:1
Dennis's [8] - 33:12,
38:23, 109:25, 110:1,
113:8, 113:10,
117:20, 206:11
Dentenal [1] - 5:20
dentist [1] - 65:16
department [2] 175:14, 203:12
Department [1] 83:12
deploy [1] - 208:25
deputy [2] - 21:1,
59:23
deserved [1] 134:12
detached [1] - 97:7
determined [1] 169:15
deterred [1] - 206:8
Detroit [5] - 22:16,
23:1, 53:13, 53:21,
111:25
develop [2] - 30:23,
141:1
developed [1] - 48:4
development [4] 58:9, 60:8, 140:25,
160:24
devious [1] - 72:14
Diaz [8] - 92:25,
96:6, 99:23, 100:15,
101:11, 130:15,
136:17, 167:22
die [1] - 209:11
difference [5] 56:13, 115:6, 130:21,
161:23, 161:24
different [5] - 6:22,
56:23, 79:18, 161:16,
165:5
difficult [2] - 22:6,
106:20
diminishes [1] - 71:7
dinner [2] - 5:13,
179:21
direct [2] - 97:8,
140:21
directly [2] - 77:21,
133:12
director [3] - 59:23,
97:8, 156:12
directors [1] 166:11
Dirk [1] - 120:2
Dirksen [2] - 120:2,
120:3
dirty [3] - 80:22,
141:23, 163:6
disabilities [5] -
212:8, 212:14,
212:24, 213:10,
214:25
disabled [3] - 25:16,
30:4, 205:9
disappointed [1] 192:5
disappointment [1] 130:16
disclosure [1] 73:13
disconnect [1] 131:20
discovery [1] - 50:22
discriminatory [2] 158:18, 212:20
discuss [5] - 85:18,
94:2, 100:5, 100:22,
101:18
discussed [4] 100:1, 100:18,
101:14, 125:12
discussion [1] 94:23
disdain [1] - 88:21
dislike [1] - 123:20
disqualified [2] 135:4, 135:7
disqualify [4] 137:19, 160:10,
163:3, 163:23
disrespecting [1] 75:10
disruption [1] 94:18
disseminate [1] - 3:5
dissuade [1] - 56:16
distributions [1] 136:6
diversify [1] - 211:14
document [1] 142:15
DOD [3] - 45:6, 82:7,
88:6
dog [1] - 53:2
dogging [2] - 176:24,
180:25
dogs [1] - 51:18
DOJ [1] - 88:6
dollar [1] - 141:9
dollars [4] - 31:14,
61:7, 68:18, 206:13
done [15] - 17:1,
63:22, 79:19, 102:1,
102:2, 102:21,
102:24, 141:16,
142:7, 143:2, 151:12,
173:2, 188:9, 216:5,
218:9
door [1] - 112:7
doozy [2] - 165:25,
167:13
Dos [1] - 179:2
dots [1] - 29:19
double [1] - 73:9
double-check [1] 73:9
down [33] - 8:22,
8:24, 9:4, 9:6, 9:7,
9:24, 10:4, 12:17,
29:2, 42:12, 43:19,
45:5, 45:15, 48:14,
69:6, 84:25, 92:15,
92:16, 96:5, 119:14,
122:19, 130:12,
131:14, 132:25,
135:10, 147:11,
148:19, 165:4,
170:10, 193:12,
205:5, 207:3, 215:13
down-selected [1] 42:12
download [1] 121:11
downstairs [3] 47:7, 135:25, 180:25
draft [5] - 44:3,
136:10, 136:15,
145:2, 145:3
drank [2] - 83:14,
83:15
draw [1] - 189:12
dressed [1] - 29:24
dressing [1] - 196:22
drive [3] - 9:6, 9:7,
9:24
driving [2] - 56:7,
127:1
drop [1] - 45:15
dropped [1] - 64:8
drug [1] - 67:15
DSS [1] - 142:17
Dubinsky [9] - 52:23,
74:5, 83:23, 89:18,
127:14, 131:17,
157:22, 174:10, 177:1
due [2] - 70:24,
175:2
dumb [2] - 90:7,
154:21
dumping [1] - 123:5
during [4] - 23:15,
77:14, 114:17, 114:18
E
E's [5] - 85:11, 91:21,
96:15, 106:15, 115:1
e-mail [28] - 21:15,
21:19, 34:16, 37:19,
38:17, 39:8, 40:3,
44:10, 65:16, 90:14,
95:14, 98:15, 98:23,
103:14, 104:2,
121:12, 163:1, 163:2,
163:7, 163:17,
164:20, 167:9, 174:5,
177:1, 177:24,
177:25, 179:9, 200:13
e-mailed [3] - 62:1,
62:2, 218:6
e-mails [13] - 33:23,
33:24, 34:14, 34:18,
34:20, 37:15, 39:11,
39:14, 39:19, 61:17,
64:18, 92:13, 163:6
early [2] - 93:3, 93:5
ease [1] - 91:22
easier [3] - 16:20,
104:24, 208:24
easiest [1] - 16:9
easily [2] - 79:19,
157:15
East [1] - 94:19
Eastern [1] - 28:24
easy [3] - 90:10,
98:14, 151:16
eat [1] - 27:4
eating [3] - 25:19,
53:2
economics [1] 210:12
economy [1] 110:10
edification [1] - 3:11
educate [1] - 193:10
efficient [1] - 132:19
egg [1] - 87:11
eggs [2] - 53:2,
54:18
eggshells [1] - 82:8
either [8] - 33:11,
37:1, 83:17, 107:17,
176:25, 186:23,
187:17, 210:22
El [4] - 203:4, 205:8,
206:25, 207:1
electronically [1] 176:3
elephant [1] - 9:17
eligible [1] - 145:8
Elizabeth [12] 57:13, 60:14, 87:2,
90:2, 130:6, 142:19,
142:23, 178:8,
179:10, 181:11,
181:12, 181:15
Elizabeth's [1] 178:5
embolden [1] - 76:24
emboldened [2] 70:4, 159:15
emboldens [1] - 70:5
emergency [1] 167:23
employ [3] - 160:11,
162:2, 164:4
employed [2] 213:10, 218:14
employee [6] 29:14, 67:24, 139:25,
162:1, 218:12, 218:13
employees [9] 83:5, 160:14, 164:21,
164:24, 165:6, 166:5,
166:6, 166:16, 198:1
employing [1] - 28:4
employment [2] 94:18, 213:2
empty [1] - 46:7
encouragement [1] 76:25
End [2] - 19:9,
118:13
end [13] - 9:13, 10:6,
35:23, 37:1, 42:15,
81:2, 89:2, 114:18,
131:9, 131:21,
133:17, 201:7, 202:10
end-all [1] - 133:17
ended [5] - 9:9, 61:6,
165:13, 207:5
endorse [1] - 28:17
endorsing [1] 71:11
ends [1] - 217:10
enemies [2] - 5:20,
16:12
enforcement [2] 69:1, 80:7
English [2] - 205:4,
205:9
enjoy [2] - 19:5,
96:13
Enterprises [2] - 5:9,
120:7
enters [1] - 154:7
entertain [1] - 111:2
entertaining [1] 92:14
entertainment [1] 91:10
entertains [1] 152:12
entity [1] - 138:6
entry [2] - 171:23,
172:1
envy [2] - 104:20,
104:21
equal [1] - 71:16
7
Equis [1] - 179:2
Eric [7] - 65:23, 66:5,
66:6, 180:3, 180:19,
181:20
Ernesto [1] - 207:2
Ernie [1] - 206:11
escape [1] - 160:4
escaped [1] - 26:3
ESOP [2] - 29:13
essential [1] - 79:18
essentially [1] 42:14
Esteban [1] - 187:2
esteem [1] - 54:14
etcetera [9] - 28:21,
31:25, 111:16,
111:17, 111:23,
111:24, 138:3, 171:18
evaluation [1] - 48:2
event [6] - 20:19,
22:25, 25:5, 27:25,
53:6, 73:2
eventually [1] 172:21
everywhere [1] 183:10
evidence [1] - 55:6
exact [2] - 47:8,
59:17
exactly [26] - 22:12,
24:6, 35:1, 37:7, 38:2,
38:4, 55:19, 57:6,
58:8, 69:21, 72:23,
75:25, 80:15, 88:18,
96:18, 125:11, 129:4,
188:6, 194:3
example [5] 125:22, 139:24,
144:13, 160:23,
173:10
except [3] - 48:10,
110:14, 159:10
exchange [2] 124:6, 167:8
excuse [5] - 10:14,
25:19, 49:7, 49:10,
126:25
execs [2] - 162:12,
197:15
executive [7] - 25:3,
97:8, 111:3, 114:18,
156:12, 157:14,
161:17
exhausted [2] 57:23, 181:23
exist [1] - 69:23
expecting [2] - 88:5,
193:20
experience [9] 55:13, 69:1, 69:5,
132:5, 132:9, 137:25,
138:1, 138:6, 160:20
experienced [1] 191:25
experimental [1] 144:2
expert [2] - 55:10,
55:14
explain [6] - 35:7,
37:2, 37:3, 94:4,
145:17, 208:21
explaining [1] - 78:7
exposed [1] - 49:17
extent [1] - 72:12
external [1] - 137:4
extra [2] - 55:9,
209:4
extremely [1] - 3:13
eye [6] - 23:9, 26:13,
147:12, 150:23,
169:10
eye-opener [2] 23:9, 26:13
eye-to-eye [1] 150:23
eyed [1] - 23:22
F
face [7] - 27:12,
31:21, 48:1, 138:20,
173:8, 196:1, 199:23
faces [1] - 125:15
facility [1] - 87:13
fact [13] - 26:1, 28:9,
34:18, 40:4, 40:13,
48:21, 93:14, 93:15,
98:11, 119:8, 150:18,
170:21, 186:5
factors [1] - 133:18
facts [2] - 69:23,
93:18
failed [3] - 40:13,
147:9
fair [4] - 120:19,
147:21, 148:24, 150:4
faith [2] - 74:20,
170:11
fall [3] - 61:2, 61:10,
63:12
falling [1] - 182:1
falling-out [1] 182:1
False [1] - 63:9
familiar [2] - 74:17,
206:2
family [2] - 21:16,
62:9
famous [1] - 209:21
far [3] - 57:13, 59:9,
96:3
fast [4] - 14:21, 36:6,
89:9, 121:8
fat [2] - 41:7, 179:21
father [1] - 120:16
father-son [1] 120:16
fault [1] - 92:6
favorites [4] 173:17, 173:25,
174:2, 185:10
fax [1] - 136:1
faxed [2] - 3:3,
135:24
faxing [2] - 3:21,
3:22
FCE [3] - 5:8, 5:14,
119:18
fear [2] - 82:6,
180:20
Federal [3] - 58:15,
58:25, 109:9
federal [6] - 29:17,
49:19, 71:6, 83:6,
211:21, 214:20
fee [7] - 141:6,
141:18, 142:7,
142:11, 143:6, 143:7,
143:9
feet [1] - 53:15
fellow [1] - 54:13
felt [3] - 61:2, 66:17,
181:22
few [5] - 22:21, 51:7,
55:25, 91:12, 153:21
Fide [15] - 74:16,
74:17, 77:5, 92:10,
93:8, 121:4, 125:13,
125:23, 135:7, 138:4,
153:11, 177:17,
194:16, 201:12,
207:18
Fields [3] - 91:21,
91:22, 198:11
fight [3] - 77:18,
158:22, 158:24
fighting [7] - 40:24,
40:25, 58:22, 137:3,
158:20, 158:21
fights [1] - 77:17
figure [12] - 32:11,
37:25, 50:5, 71:14,
105:3, 105:15,
110:23, 112:25,
147:5, 152:6, 158:11,
217:8
figured [14] - 22:4,
26:18, 32:10, 56:18,
56:19, 73:4, 107:4,
134:4, 146:14,
153:15, 153:21,
155:16, 201:5, 214:14
figures [2] - 34:4,
70:15
FILE [3] - 1:9, 1:10,
1:11
file [2] - 59:1, 217:4
File [3] - 3:1, 20:1,
119:1
filed [1] - 73:13
filter [1] - 86:13
final [4] - 97:7,
136:10, 136:11,
136:12
finally [7] - 54:19,
129:5, 153:15,
153:20, 155:16,
163:4, 205:17
financial [4] - 24:11,
25:17, 161:19, 179:11
fine [18] - 14:3,
17:12, 21:14, 21:24,
34:4, 60:8, 75:3,
78:11, 79:14, 122:4,
123:24, 124:11,
131:13, 133:4, 142:8,
162:18, 201:9, 201:11
finish [1] - 49:22
fire [15] - 53:15, 63:9,
63:13, 66:10, 66:24,
89:1, 90:20, 90:22,
90:25, 93:25, 95:2,
102:16, 117:9,
143:17, 153:10
fired [11] - 62:2,
62:3, 62:5, 62:7,
62:23, 63:7, 65:19,
66:10, 67:13, 68:4,
182:6
firewall [1] - 97:13
firing [1] - 68:1
firm [2] - 192:3
first [18] - 4:1, 14:20,
26:23, 28:6, 41:7,
72:16, 87:1, 130:9,
132:17, 143:20,
160:14, 161:21,
165:12, 166:7,
182:17, 196:22,
207:4, 217:1
firsthand [1] - 55:13
five [2] - 19:3, 184:19
fix [1] - 173:13
fixed [1] - 62:1
flesh [1] - 108:20
fliers [1] - 147:22
floor [2] - 6:24, 152:1
flying [1] - 125:24
focus [1] - 49:20
folks [1] - 60:5
follow [1] - 157:25
follow-up [1] 157:25
following [1] - 25:23
food [1] - 25:19
fool [4] - 54:19,
54:20, 153:25, 154:24
fools [1] - 58:22
for-profit [7] - 28:2,
30:25, 31:10, 137:17,
138:6, 141:3, 141:12
force [2] - 55:6,
113:22
forced [3] - 65:4,
65:5, 65:7
forefront [1] - 99:16
foregoing [2] 218:5, 218:8
forever [2] - 139:6,
212:25
forfeit [1] - 54:12
forget [4] - 59:12,
59:16, 150:2, 155:24
forgot [2] - 48:19,
135:24
forked [1] - 167:5
formal [1] - 128:13
formally [2] - 109:8,
128:20
former [5] - 29:4,
66:12, 67:24, 180:9,
195:2
Fort [5] - 85:2,
119:20, 120:11,
134:1, 134:2
forth [1] - 161:3
forward [8] - 66:18,
91:19, 94:23, 110:14,
110:15, 112:18,
113:1, 117:6
foul [1] - 42:23
four [11] - 19:3,
41:22, 41:23, 42:16,
72:16, 94:6, 138:24,
139:1, 139:2, 139:6,
155:15
fourth [1] - 75:4
fox [2] - 184:17,
184:21
Franklin [1] - 16:10
frankly [1] - 42:8
fraud [2] - 171:3,
171:4
freak [1] - 3:23
freaked [1] - 151:9
free [1] - 128:25
freedom [1] - 93:7
fresh [1] - 18:13
Friday [11] - 63:22,
90:22, 91:13, 92:2,
8
94:25, 96:14, 115:12,
115:17, 149:25,
163:5, 165:22
Fridays [1] - 165:23
friend [7] - 19:2,
74:5, 119:5, 153:16,
181:12, 182:7, 192:1
friends [2] - 15:5,
203:12
front [8] - 39:13,
75:9, 89:14, 105:20,
105:24, 111:17,
142:14, 173:9
fruit [1] - 89:3
frustrating [4] 164:9, 188:22, 189:5,
189:20
fuck [1] - 165:6
fulfillment [1] - 25:17
full [1] - 174:19
fully [1] - 56:9
fun [1] - 109:21
funding [1] - 211:25
funny [11] - 4:1, 11:3,
28:13, 90:17, 90:18,
96:22, 121:24,
161:11, 164:7, 176:4,
186:25
future [8] - 31:7,
70:12, 110:10, 152:8,
152:21, 209:13
FYI [2] - 91:13, 92:1
G
gain [2] - 24:11,
25:17
game [9] - 34:19,
44:14, 44:17, 45:24,
149:19, 153:21,
153:25, 154:11, 159:7
gang [2] - 94:25,
156:13
GAO [9] - 78:10,
79:5, 79:10, 79:17,
82:7, 135:22, 137:6,
190:16, 191:15
Garcia [4] - 60:9,
96:1, 170:23, 187:2
garden [1] - 35:18
gather [1] - 64:11
gathered [2] - 57:1,
64:16
gender [1] - 116:10
General [7] - 48:16,
79:12, 82:7, 190:15,
190:17, 190:23,
205:19
general [3] - 21:2,
114:17, 195:13
generally [1] - 214:8
gentleman [10] 23:19, 23:22, 60:9,
65:24, 66:15, 72:14,
75:6, 90:21, 183:6,
196:9
Geopositional [2] 84:23, 85:13
Geospatial [1] 85:12
Gibbons [1] - 23:10
girl [1] - 95:19
given [7] - 47:24,
53:2, 64:18, 69:23,
111:10, 136:13,
163:16
glad [1] - 73:10
glass [1] - 165:24
glasses [3] - 7:15,
121:13, 179:15
glee [1] - 55:8
gleeful [2] - 77:16,
77:23
glossed [1] - 79:21
goal [1] - 24:12
god [2] - 126:7,
174:11
God [6] - 56:16, 89:6,
89:7, 89:8, 147:19,
155:20
godfather [1] - 18:25
Goliath [1] - 204:7
Golie [1] - 27:16
Gonzales [2] - 64:16,
112:20
Gonzales's [1] - 96:9
Goodman [1] 179:10
goodness [13] 29:8, 91:1, 102:5,
104:18, 165:20,
166:21, 180:17,
180:20, 186:5, 187:6,
204:22, 205:10
goods [1] - 34:9
Goodwill [7] - 23:6,
23:20, 26:3, 195:13,
196:14, 209:20, 210:1
Goodwills [2] 23:21, 195:12
Goodworks [1] 196:14
gotcha [6] - 51:4,
53:25, 131:11, 147:1,
216:24
government [22] 60:16, 61:7, 68:18,
80:8, 80:23, 99:16,
149:11, 158:6,
162:10, 168:13,
168:15, 171:4,
171:16, 189:21,
190:8, 190:12,
197:13, 207:6,
211:21, 211:25,
214:10, 214:20
GPS [1] - 45:14
grab [2] - 135:24,
135:25
gracious [1] - 186:5
graduate [2] - 90:21,
90:25
graduates [1] - 83:20
gramma's [1] - 93:6
granted [2] - 43:24,
159:9
grass [1] - 178:10
grassroots [2] 72:22, 73:20
grave [1] - 149:4
Gray [1] - 96:17
Great [1] - 120:8
great [7] - 30:8, 42:8,
52:22, 75:3, 136:2,
157:1, 159:9
greatly [1] - 91:23
Grit [2] - 161:9,
165:10
ground [1] - 154:14
grounds [1] - 153:6
group [2] - 121:1,
156:10
growing [1] - 88:23
grows [1] - 105:25
GSA [9] - 35:17,
49:3, 90:1, 91:14,
92:2, 99:12, 130:5,
131:15
guarantee [1] - 49:18
guess [36] - 22:9,
28:24, 42:24, 48:20,
49:4, 49:25, 50:4,
50:9, 50:10, 59:2,
59:4, 71:20, 76:9,
106:7, 106:25,
107:17, 112:7, 115:6,
119:13, 121:9,
126:25, 141:10,
141:12, 150:5, 150:7,
159:3, 161:9, 164:11,
167:20, 178:10,
190:13, 197:20,
197:22, 199:22, 204:8
guff [1] - 200:3
guidelines [1] 195:5
guilty [1] - 50:3
guitar [1] - 89:5
Gulf [1] - 47:25
gun [2] - 37:19,
99:12
guns [1] - 192:19
guts [2] - 150:6,
184:13
guy [98] - 5:3, 11:15,
12:13, 12:14, 12:17,
12:23, 16:10, 16:11,
18:10, 18:11, 23:25,
24:17, 24:21, 26:23,
27:14, 28:23, 29:3,
29:20, 41:1, 46:25,
47:1, 47:24, 48:1,
48:4, 60:19, 60:24,
61:3, 61:10, 61:15,
61:18, 61:24, 62:1,
62:5, 63:4, 63:7,
63:10, 63:12, 65:11,
65:24, 66:7, 66:13,
66:24, 67:11, 67:20,
68:23, 84:5, 91:3,
93:23, 93:25, 94:10,
95:2, 99:3, 102:16,
102:22, 109:18,
111:25, 124:1,
139:24, 140:1,
155:24, 156:6, 157:9,
157:11, 164:16,
169:13, 169:14,
170:22, 171:7,
171:17, 176:4,
176:13, 176:21,
176:24, 178:4,
179:24, 180:6, 181:3,
181:11, 181:24,
184:2, 184:10,
184:14, 184:24,
186:19, 187:2, 188:7,
188:12, 193:3, 196:1,
203:5, 203:10, 207:2,
208:14
guys [99] - 5:14,
10:7, 15:22, 22:16,
27:25, 28:14, 38:25,
44:22, 46:4, 47:3,
47:14, 48:18, 49:1,
50:8, 58:3, 59:4,
60:15, 61:16, 62:19,
63:16, 66:9, 68:23,
76:18, 77:18, 84:16,
86:13, 106:11, 107:3,
109:24, 110:2, 110:8,
110:16, 111:5,
112:25, 114:22,
115:12, 123:9,
125:10, 128:9, 132:1,
132:5, 133:6, 133:8,
136:18, 139:10,
141:19, 143:14,
144:2, 144:9, 144:14,
145:22, 147:16,
149:14, 152:10,
153:11, 153:14,
153:18, 153:22,
154:8, 154:10,
154:16, 158:12,
159:4, 160:3, 161:2,
161:7, 162:5, 163:19,
167:4, 168:4, 168:12,
169:24, 171:19,
185:11, 186:2, 186:6,
187:24, 189:1,
191:19, 192:24,
194:16, 198:14,
200:9, 200:22, 206:8,
206:9, 207:6, 207:13,
209:9, 209:18,
209:22, 211:9, 214:1,
214:9, 214:19, 216:10
H
H2M [2] - 75:5, 86:3
half [8] - 9:7, 29:9,
46:7, 115:20, 142:25,
155:18, 192:20
half-asleep [1] 142:25
half-assed [1] - 29:9
half-empty [1] - 46:7
hammock [2] - 89:5
hand [2] - 76:4,
113:12
HAND [1] - 218:19
handed [2] - 12:14,
189:1
handing [2] - 133:21,
133:22
handle [4] - 12:3,
13:16, 67:20, 89:7
handled [1] - 171:15
handles [1] - 8:19
handpicked [2] 27:6, 54:4
hands [4] - 146:25,
165:22, 166:3, 166:20
hang [1] - 216:25
hanging [2] - 42:19,
182:19
Hans [1] - 140:18
happy [2] - 30:7,
74:21
harassed [1] - 11:15
harassing [1] - 72:7
harassment [2] 77:8, 77:20
hard [9] - 10:20,
32:10, 83:20, 103:3,
127:24, 151:4, 160:1,
209:5, 213:7
harder [5] - 170:15,
170:16, 170:17,
9
170:18, 187:25
harm [2] - 42:23,
162:17
harmless [1] - 75:1
hate [3] - 29:21,
41:20, 116:10
hates [1] - 150:6
head [10] - 16:7,
26:4, 71:12, 122:8,
123:4, 156:11, 183:3,
207:7, 207:8, 208:15
header [1] - 3:2
heading [1] - 131:14
headlines [2] 197:16, 206:3
headway [1] - 82:18
health [1] - 155:21
hear [11] - 2:6, 50:7,
50:12, 74:21, 78:2,
78:4, 92:9, 96:24,
100:7, 100:25, 150:13
heard [5] - 6:19,
77:6, 93:8, 105:22,
193:24
hearing [1] - 137:15
hearings [1] - 195:3
heart [5] - 14:6, 32:5,
95:22, 157:9, 212:13
hearts [2] - 14:6,
212:13
heaven [1] - 126:9
heck [2] - 93:8,
152:16
hell [16] - 5:8, 21:11,
41:16, 58:7, 100:3,
100:20, 101:16,
134:11, 144:7, 189:9,
192:5, 196:10,
196:16, 207:5,
209:24, 210:14
hello [4] - 20:2, 75:2,
153:8, 209:14
help [10] - 34:3,
49:13, 52:17, 89:15,
134:9, 161:14,
174:13, 174:25,
177:17, 186:21
helpful [1] - 176:18
helping [3] - 30:23,
95:11, 116:1
helps [1] - 89:16
Henkel [3] - 127:7,
127:8, 197:14
hens [2] - 184:19,
184:20
hereto [3] - 218:13,
218:14, 218:16
hero [1] - 25:5
hi [1] - 126:6
hide [2] - 123:1,
155:2
hiding [1] - 155:5
hifalutin [1] - 148:6
high [1] - 126:9
higher [3] - 80:16,
166:16, 175:2
higher-ups [1] 175:2
hike [1] - 143:22
Hill [21] - 5:1, 6:18,
6:19, 75:5, 75:23,
86:4, 124:20, 124:21,
125:7, 128:10, 138:9,
172:12, 173:8,
175:20, 191:25,
198:11, 201:10,
201:19, 214:18,
216:18, 216:21
himself [4] - 63:11,
132:14, 163:20,
174:13
hire [3] - 29:12,
146:8, 165:16
hired [1] - 162:6
Hispanic [9] - 60:8,
65:23, 171:7, 181:3,
186:23, 187:17,
205:4, 210:5, 210:16
historically [1] 107:25
history [3] - 54:10,
156:9, 204:23
hit [3] - 28:13,
168:18, 168:19
hitting [2] - 86:12,
103:4
hmm [14] - 5:11,
18:23, 23:4, 90:6,
97:2, 128:21, 136:12,
140:9, 147:18, 155:6,
176:8, 198:17,
204:14, 208:11
hmm-um [2] 136:12, 204:14
Hoff [3] - 8:24, 9:3
hold [13] - 31:23,
53:15, 91:25, 93:1,
95:21, 96:16, 99:22,
100:10, 121:16,
179:5, 179:6, 184:15
holding [2] - 6:11,
166:16
hole [1] - 20:15
holy [1] - 46:19
home [5] - 6:21,
143:11, 165:23,
200:6, 214:8
homeland [1] - 172:7
hometown [1] 193:5
honest [5] - 24:2,
25:22, 97:11, 188:4,
208:18
honesty [1] - 99:15
honor [1] - 14:17
Hood [2] - 134:1,
134:2
hook [2] - 58:10,
128:4
hooked [4] - 137:8,
137:9, 141:6, 214:16
hope [4] - 53:6,
88:22, 155:8
hopefully [2] - 67:11,
78:5
hopping [1] - 119:3
Horkimer [1] - 142:3
horrible [2] - 202:20,
202:23
horse's [2] - 35:21,
130:5
hospital [1] - 120:9
hot [3] - 37:1, 37:3,
96:16
hour [1] - 18:5
hours [2] - 9:7
house [5] - 89:4,
135:23, 148:19,
186:19, 195:15
HR [2] - 93:22, 96:16
hug [2] - 5:7, 5:23
huge [13] - 45:3,
45:4, 46:12, 46:18,
125:23, 141:3, 148:8,
153:12, 186:11,
208:22, 214:20
Huggins [3] - 21:1,
21:3, 132:24
Human [1] - 78:19
hundred [2] - 61:7,
68:17
hurry [1] - 96:21
hurt [3] - 79:6, 79:7,
107:17
hypocritical [1] 167:6
I
Ice [1] - 213:8
idea [7] - 69:16,
69:17, 73:8, 152:12,
164:24, 167:8, 210:24
idealistic [1] - 18:15
ideas [2] - 119:9,
124:5
identification [1] 2:2
idiots [2] - 107:12,
192:2
illegal [1] - 152:22
imagine [7] - 32:23,
37:23, 92:20, 126:16,
190:2, 207:21, 207:24
immediately [2] 94:13, 151:25
impact [1] - 115:2
impersonal [1] 52:11
implementing [1] 162:14
implicates [2] 78:12, 78:13
important [3] - 42:1,
84:16, 99:7
impossible [2] 86:25, 87:15
impressed [1] 214:5
inability [1] - 205:4
incestuous [1] 209:25
inch [1] - 61:11
inches [1] - 94:6
including [1] - 41:1
incompetent [1] 209:9
Indianapolis [2] 23:2, 23:3
indicted [1] - 51:11
indirect [1] - 194:9
individual [6] 59:17, 87:23, 88:1,
88:2, 97:6, 98:10
individuals [4] - 2:8,
82:23, 83:5, 128:2
Industries [2] 119:7, 202:20
industry [4] - 146:7,
213:16, 215:3, 216:19
inefficient [1] - 81:2
infer [1] - 43:15
infiltrate [1] - 156:18
Infirm [2] - 46:6, 46:7
influence [3] - 39:21,
97:8, 117:20
informants [1] 67:18
information [11] 8:19, 11:5, 62:14,
64:11, 86:8, 97:11,
99:8, 145:19, 160:15,
163:11, 163:16
injury [1] - 154:4
inquire [1] - 18:2
inquiring [2] - 39:20,
115:8
inquiry [1] - 64:15
inside [1] - 198:1
insight [1] - 206:18
insisted [1] - 96:23
inspected [1] - 61:11
Inspector [7] - 48:16,
79:12, 82:7, 190:14,
190:17, 190:23,
205:19
instance [1] - 13:13
instances [1] 180:18
instead [5] - 34:3,
42:14, 62:18, 165:14,
204:20
insult [1] - 154:4
intact [1] - 194:6
intent [1] - 40:12
interact [2] - 71:21,
75:21
interacted [1] - 72:16
interaction [1] 75:16
interchangeable [2]
- 138:2, 138:3
interest [5] - 47:17,
64:2, 79:2, 97:6,
214:24
interested [1] 218:15
interesting [17] 23:17, 54:14, 58:9,
60:7, 78:18, 81:12,
85:7, 85:23, 86:6,
87:1, 87:19, 102:5,
108:19, 118:5, 137:5,
193:20, 214:15
interests [2] - 128:7,
153:13
interference [1] 216:7
interlocking [1] 194:19
internal [2] - 137:3,
181:20
internally [1] - 158:4
internet [1] - 206:24
interrupted [1] 74:13
intervene [2] 110:16, 111:2
intervened [2] 212:19, 212:20
interview [3] - 23:15,
49:2, 213:24
interviews [2] 23:18, 51:2
introduce [5] - 75:6,
128:18, 129:3,
195:25, 200:19
introduced [4] 5:10, 74:15, 119:19,
132:14
10
investigate [4] 47:19, 62:17, 64:9,
64:10
investigated [1] 185:8
investigating [4] 48:18, 64:3, 181:21,
183:1
investigation [5] 50:15, 61:25, 64:17,
164:11, 189:9
invitation [2] - 73:24,
213:19
invited [2] - 72:18,
72:24
inviting [1] - 216:20
involuntary [1] 49:12
involved [5] - 10:9,
93:19, 93:20, 99:19,
141:15
Iraq [1] - 140:2
Irish [3] - 170:19,
170:20, 171:20
ironic [2] - 53:13,
53:21
irrational [1] 169:25
irrelevant [2] - 58:1,
118:3
issue [5] - 33:13,
49:20, 104:6, 112:18,
123:14
issued [2] - 193:25,
194:1
issues [6] - 9:19,
25:2, 84:4, 98:11,
122:15, 137:4
IT [2] - 186:9, 186:11
it'll [1] - 19:4
itself [1] - 138:1
J
jail [6] - 192:21,
203:7, 203:10,
205:17, 206:9
Jamie [1] - 70:17
Jean [40] - 2:3, 5:12,
7:6, 7:20, 8:12, 39:11,
40:17, 50:13, 57:11,
65:17, 81:16, 89:3,
94:8, 99:23, 100:15,
101:11, 102:8,
104:21, 120:23,
123:1, 126:6, 132:14,
134:10, 149:3,
149:19, 150:13,
153:20, 157:20,
158:9, 166:4, 169:19,
173:5, 174:17,
175:14, 176:9,
176:21, 189:4, 200:2
jean [1] - 20:3
Jerry [2] - 5:20,
157:4
Jesse [1] - 196:1
Jim [32] - 23:10,
23:13, 23:23, 23:24,
25:7, 26:24, 27:6,
30:11, 30:14, 32:1,
34:11, 51:2, 53:15,
77:15, 100:6, 100:23,
101:19, 126:15,
126:25, 145:21,
146:14, 146:17,
146:19, 154:15,
203:21, 203:23,
203:25, 206:16,
209:14, 209:15
job [31] - 52:11,
68:23, 119:17,
123:13, 138:14,
140:19, 140:24,
140:25, 146:11,
146:16, 146:17,
149:16, 151:6, 155:9,
155:10, 169:16,
180:21, 184:25,
189:6, 191:5, 205:25,
206:7, 206:11, 209:9,
213:15, 214:16,
214:18
Job [6] - 138:13,
194:8, 194:14,
194:20, 194:23, 197:9
jobs [3] - 161:3,
210:10, 211:3
Joe [51] - 8:24,
10:24, 13:14, 15:14,
32:11, 33:11, 33:12,
34:13, 34:20, 35:8,
36:8, 36:11, 38:25,
39:4, 39:10, 40:4,
40:25, 41:3, 43:1,
43:20, 44:8, 88:17,
88:20, 90:3, 90:4,
90:7, 90:14, 90:21,
92:25, 95:1, 96:2,
96:6, 96:10, 96:25,
99:23, 100:15,
101:11, 104:24,
106:9, 106:13, 112:8,
130:15, 130:19,
131:13, 133:12,
133:22, 135:15,
167:21
Joe's [3] - 89:18,
89:19, 97:20
John [42] - 3:17,
3:18, 3:21, 8:23, 9:3,
20:9, 20:25, 21:1,
21:3, 21:7, 21:14,
34:3, 34:4, 39:13,
40:25, 41:1, 116:1,
116:2, 116:6, 129:11,
129:20, 129:23,
130:3, 132:24, 133:1,
134:21, 141:15,
141:19, 142:15,
159:20, 193:14,
193:16, 193:19
John's [1] - 21:9
jolt [1] - 215:24
Jones [1] - 206:9
Jose [2] - 108:25,
109:9
Juarez [1] - 205:6
judge [1] - 42:6
July [1] - 26:15
June [3] - 17:14,
17:15, 17:18
Justice [10] - 76:9,
138:20, 152:20,
164:11, 189:22,
194:22, 203:12,
204:9, 205:18, 212:20
justice [1] - 169:14
justify [1] - 105:3
K
kahunas [1] - 105:25
Karen [3] - 27:21,
82:20, 83:17
keep [27] - 6:12,
16:12, 33:16, 37:9,
41:13, 52:25, 56:21,
63:17, 81:15, 86:12,
97:13, 119:2, 123:5,
134:18, 142:5, 147:2,
169:9, 180:2, 180:6,
180:15, 186:23,
200:11, 210:9, 211:8,
215:7
keeping [1] - 42:19
keeps [8] - 77:20,
77:21, 78:14, 157:19,
157:22, 158:8, 199:9,
215:6
Keith [2] - 180:9,
180:19
kept [13] - 26:15,
27:12, 28:11, 28:14,
78:25, 98:2, 109:1,
109:3, 133:18, 171:7,
182:18, 183:14,
216:20
Kesteloot [1] - 84:6
key [1] - 137:24
kibosh [1] - 194:4
kick [2] - 199:23,
209:16
kid [4] - 6:7, 18:13,
148:1, 200:1
kidding [1] - 63:2
kids [3] - 147:22,
147:24
kill [2] - 157:13,
190:20
killing [2] - 187:20,
187:21
kills [1] - 174:1
Kim [1] - 59:21
kind [74] - 4:1, 4:21,
6:22, 9:19, 11:2,
20:16, 24:20, 25:10,
27:20, 28:1, 28:13,
29:9, 30:20, 34:18,
35:10, 49:4, 50:5,
51:1, 54:4, 57:1, 64:4,
65:4, 65:25, 68:7,
72:1, 81:13, 83:2,
86:14, 102:10, 107:3,
114:15, 115:8, 117:9,
120:13, 120:25,
122:24, 123:3,
127:16, 132:11,
138:6, 138:17,
142:10, 142:13,
144:1, 146:1, 148:6,
149:9, 149:23,
151:12, 153:8,
153:22, 155:6,
156:15, 156:17,
160:4, 162:9, 167:6,
169:12, 172:6,
172:18, 176:17,
180:14, 182:14,
183:8, 185:23, 192:4,
192:16, 194:20,
196:1, 200:3, 201:18,
214:5
kindly [2] - 52:4,
72:18
kinds [1] - 78:23
knit [2] - 152:25,
156:15
knock [3] - 125:9,
159:11, 216:6
knocked [2] - 24:23,
132:11
knowing [4] - 89:6,
89:10, 130:7, 209:18
knowledge [2] 161:13, 204:16
known [2] - 122:2,
218:5
knows [16] - 15:16,
15:18, 100:3, 100:20,
101:16, 141:22,
145:1, 155:12, 156:8,
163:19, 167:20,
178:14, 193:6,
215:12, 215:17
Kool [2] - 83:15
Kool-Aid [2] - 83:15
Kunitz [3] - 140:1,
140:16
L
Labor [1] - 83:12
lack [1] - 78:15
lacking [1] - 69:25
lady [1] - 59:18
Lakes [1] - 120:8
Lakeview [5] - 47:21,
47:24, 48:3, 160:10,
163:3
lap [3] - 64:8, 123:6,
172:20
laptop [1] - 144:18
Laredo [4] - 67:6,
179:21
large [2] - 146:5,
202:8
last [30] - 8:14, 9:2,
9:24, 26:12, 26:14,
30:2, 37:21, 41:4,
41:6, 41:14, 42:3,
47:2, 53:14, 53:19,
53:20, 54:17, 55:25,
84:20, 84:22, 85:11,
86:24, 91:12, 101:1,
101:3, 134:11,
134:13, 168:13,
184:20, 187:16
late [6] - 10:1, 34:19,
38:18, 93:4, 103:17,
143:10
lately [3] - 46:4,
55:23, 56:5
latest [3] - 96:9,
142:1, 176:10
laugh [1] - 6:24
laughed [3] - 30:20,
32:13, 93:8
laughing [1] - 12:19
law [3] - 69:1, 80:7,
140:6
lawyer [35] - 12:15,
12:16, 12:21, 18:9,
22:5, 58:19, 59:1,
79:10, 107:11, 108:6,
108:21, 109:22,
111:17, 112:25,
114:19, 117:8,
132:12, 133:5,
133:15, 133:16,
11
135:20, 135:24,
140:4, 165:4, 166:7,
169:11, 170:16,
171:6, 180:24, 181:7,
182:1, 188:8, 191:25
lawyer's [1] - 217:1
lawyers [5] - 10:8,
10:18, 10:19, 12:16,
103:8
lay [1] - 89:14
laying [1] - 62:16
lazy [2] - 208:24,
209:8
leader [1] - 15:23
leadership [1] - 80:5
leap [2] - 156:18,
156:22
learn [1] - 169:17
learned [1] - 161:14
least [11] - 4:22,
38:24, 68:18, 71:4,
80:4, 80:19, 123:20,
134:6, 191:19, 210:18
leave [16] - 50:9,
57:4, 73:2, 89:6,
90:15, 99:24, 100:16,
101:2, 101:12,
115:12, 115:13,
132:20, 151:6,
164:22, 201:2, 216:22
leaves [2] - 154:25,
162:2
leaving [4] - 5:22,
18:22, 22:2, 102:20
left [16] - 4:7, 20:11,
39:7, 74:22, 92:12,
102:4, 102:14,
102:22, 104:9,
132:12, 132:13,
133:5, 160:11, 164:4,
166:5, 167:6
legal [4] - 156:11,
174:17, 175:14,
181:20
legally [1] - 50:17
LEP [1] - 141:3
less [1] - 34:4
lesser [1] - 72:12
letter [43] - 19:7,
32:12, 33:12, 34:3,
38:23, 42:14, 43:18,
44:5, 48:10, 64:1,
64:6, 65:17, 67:8,
67:11, 71:20, 77:9,
78:5, 78:7, 107:21,
109:23, 110:7,
110:20, 112:3,
112:13, 113:8,
113:11, 115:23,
144:17, 144:20,
145:1, 149:10,
149:24, 164:7,
174:15, 174:24,
175:14, 183:10,
184:16, 185:8,
188:10, 200:12
letters [4] - 85:7,
104:4, 106:25, 183:9
letting [3] - 183:11,
198:8, 210:13
level [1] - 91:20
leverage [1] - 160:19
Levi [1] - 205:12
liar [5] - 34:10,
36:12, 39:5, 44:9,
92:8
lie [10] - 11:9, 11:10,
11:12, 43:9, 43:20,
51:18, 52:14, 108:23,
137:4
lied [2] - 37:4, 43:1
life [2] - 22:8, 185:25
light [3] - 31:4,
166:9, 166:10
Lighting [1] - 141:3
lights [1] - 26:22
limit [3] - 37:9,
44:18, 86:18
limited [2] - 13:2,
117:3
limits [1] - 91:1
Lincoln's [1] - 54:11
line [15] - 62:20,
62:21, 84:17, 86:14,
141:10, 141:14,
141:17, 141:25,
148:25, 150:12,
150:14, 155:10,
161:19, 161:22,
169:15
lines [1] - 116:24
link [1] - 138:4
links [1] - 218:6
Lisa [2] - 48:25,
189:9
list [1] - 78:22
listed [1] - 218:10
listen [1] - 160:21
listening [1] - 93:1
listens [1] - 178:13
literally [7] - 24:14,
53:23, 90:22, 94:25,
126:5, 126:24, 165:7
literate [1] - 179:8
litigation [3] - 10:12,
110:11, 111:23
live [1] - 66:25
lives [1] - 70:11
lo [1] - 147:19
lobbying [2] - 72:19,
73:13
lock [1] - 142:15
lock-tight [1] 142:15
Lockard [9] - 62:22,
63:23, 77:8, 145:21,
155:12, 155:24,
172:16, 172:17,
175:24
long-standing [1] 36:25
look [28] - 12:7,
18:12, 25:11, 39:12,
42:15, 46:23, 47:7,
51:24, 54:9, 94:22,
96:4, 104:24, 104:25,
105:14, 106:4,
109:24, 147:12,
147:13, 155:1,
155:19, 157:3, 157:4,
157:14, 163:1,
191:17, 197:22,
206:24
looked [15] - 28:10,
36:12, 63:1, 63:21,
104:24, 116:3,
134:16, 134:21,
150:21, 150:22,
151:20, 169:10,
169:15, 179:4, 198:19
looking [12] - 30:8,
38:1, 53:7, 70:11,
77:19, 96:21, 115:9,
152:7, 176:9, 176:10,
207:6, 213:15
looks [2] - 75:6,
122:25
Lopez [4] - 2:4,
194:16, 206:12, 207:3
LOPEZ [946] - 3:4,
3:6, 3:8, 3:10, 3:16,
3:18, 4:7, 4:10, 4:12,
4:14, 4:17, 4:19, 4:25,
5:11, 5:24, 6:2, 6:8,
6:11, 6:16, 7:1, 7:4,
7:8, 7:10, 7:14, 7:19,
7:24, 8:7, 8:10, 8:18,
10:10, 10:16, 10:22,
11:1, 11:4, 11:8,
11:13, 11:19, 11:22,
11:25, 12:5, 13:2,
13:6, 13:13, 13:21,
13:24, 14:2, 14:5,
14:7, 14:10, 14:12,
14:15, 14:17, 14:20,
14:23, 15:5, 15:7,
15:9, 15:13, 15:15,
15:21, 16:1, 16:6,
16:8, 16:14, 16:22,
16:24, 17:2, 17:6,
17:12, 17:14, 17:16,
17:18, 17:22, 17:25,
18:2, 18:5, 18:8,
18:11, 18:13, 18:15,
18:18, 18:20, 19:5,
19:8, 20:3, 20:6,
20:13, 20:18, 20:20,
20:22, 20:24, 21:3,
21:5, 21:12, 21:23,
22:1, 22:7, 22:9,
22:15, 22:19, 22:23,
23:1, 23:3, 23:5, 23:8,
23:12, 23:16, 23:24,
24:1, 24:6, 24:8,
24:10, 24:16, 25:4,
25:8, 25:11, 25:15,
25:22, 26:8, 26:11,
26:20, 27:1, 27:7,
27:9, 27:23, 28:18,
29:8, 29:15, 29:23,
30:6, 30:13, 30:16,
30:19, 31:1, 31:8,
31:12, 31:15, 31:19,
32:7, 32:18, 32:21,
32:23, 32:25, 33:2,
33:4, 33:6, 33:8,
33:21, 34:1, 34:6,
34:12, 34:23, 35:1,
35:5, 35:9, 35:12,
35:20, 35:23, 36:1,
36:5, 36:13, 36:17,
36:20, 36:24, 37:7,
37:11, 37:15, 37:22,
38:2, 38:4, 38:9,
38:13, 38:16, 38:22,
39:3, 39:17, 39:22,
40:6, 40:14, 40:17,
41:18, 42:9, 42:21,
44:6, 44:11, 44:16,
44:20, 44:24, 45:8,
45:12, 45:17, 45:19,
45:25, 46:6, 46:14,
46:20, 46:24, 47:11,
47:22, 48:7, 48:13,
48:24, 49:6, 49:10,
49:12, 49:17, 49:24,
50:1, 50:7, 50:12,
50:19, 51:4, 51:10,
51:14, 51:25, 52:5,
52:7, 52:9, 52:14,
52:17, 52:19, 52:24,
53:9, 53:25, 54:7,
54:17, 54:24, 55:5,
55:16, 55:19, 56:2,
56:6, 56:11, 56:24,
57:4, 57:11, 57:13,
57:16, 57:21, 58:5,
58:8, 58:17, 58:23,
59:3, 59:6, 59:12,
59:15, 59:22, 59:24,
60:3, 60:6, 60:11,
60:21, 61:1, 62:3,
62:6, 62:10, 62:15,
62:25, 63:5, 63:14,
63:19, 63:24, 64:22,
65:6, 65:21, 66:2,
66:4, 66:14, 66:16,
66:19, 66:21, 66:25,
67:3, 67:6, 67:9,
67:14, 67:18, 67:22,
68:5, 68:9, 68:13,
68:15, 68:21, 68:24,
69:3, 69:8, 69:13,
69:16, 69:19, 69:25,
70:8, 70:13, 70:20,
70:23, 71:1, 71:5,
71:9, 71:17, 71:23,
72:3, 72:6, 72:10,
72:13, 72:21, 72:23,
73:1, 73:7, 73:11,
73:16, 73:22, 74:2,
74:4, 74:7, 74:10,
74:14, 74:24, 75:2,
75:9, 75:13, 75:20,
75:25, 76:3, 76:8,
76:11, 76:14, 76:19,
76:21, 77:1, 77:4,
77:12, 78:1, 78:9,
79:15, 79:21, 80:3,
80:6, 80:10, 80:13,
80:17, 80:20, 80:25,
81:4, 81:8, 81:11,
81:15, 81:19, 81:21,
81:24, 82:3, 82:9,
82:13, 82:16, 82:22,
82:25, 83:4, 83:9,
83:13, 83:16, 83:21,
83:24, 84:1, 84:7,
84:11, 84:13, 84:19,
84:22, 85:3, 85:5,
85:12, 85:16, 85:22,
85:25, 86:2, 86:17,
86:20, 86:23, 87:10,
87:15, 87:18, 88:1,
88:5, 88:8, 88:11,
88:15, 88:18, 88:22,
89:2, 89:10, 89:13,
89:19, 89:22, 90:1,
90:11, 90:25, 91:17,
92:4, 92:18, 92:24,
93:3, 93:13, 93:18,
94:15, 95:8, 95:14,
95:18, 95:21, 97:2,
97:5, 97:12, 97:17,
97:19, 98:3, 98:6,
98:9, 98:22, 98:25,
99:4, 99:6, 99:14,
99:20, 100:9, 100:24,
101:1, 101:7, 101:10,
101:23, 102:2, 102:5,
102:8, 102:12,
102:19, 103:1, 103:9,
12
103:11, 103:20,
104:1, 104:7, 104:11,
104:15, 104:18,
104:20, 105:2, 105:5,
105:7, 105:12,
105:18, 105:23,
106:3, 106:5, 106:10,
106:12, 106:17,
106:23, 107:2, 107:6,
107:9, 107:14,
107:18, 108:1, 108:7,
108:9, 108:14,
108:18, 108:24,
109:3, 109:12, 110:4,
110:17, 110:20,
110:25, 111:4, 111:8,
111:21, 112:4,
112:11, 112:20,
112:23, 113:3, 113:6,
113:9, 113:15,
113:17, 113:25,
114:3, 114:6, 114:9,
114:12, 114:21,
114:24, 115:4,
115:10, 115:14,
115:19, 115:21,
115:24, 116:5, 116:9,
116:16, 116:18,
116:22, 117:4,
117:10, 117:12,
117:14, 117:17,
117:21, 117:24,
118:2, 118:9, 118:11,
119:2, 119:6, 119:10,
119:14, 119:17,
119:22, 120:3, 120:5,
120:10, 120:14,
120:18, 120:21,
121:3, 121:8, 121:13,
121:16, 121:18,
121:20, 121:22,
122:7, 122:10,
122:13, 122:16,
122:21, 122:23,
123:22, 124:3, 124:7,
124:16, 124:21,
125:2, 125:5, 125:11,
125:17, 125:21,
126:10, 126:15,
126:18, 127:2, 127:6,
127:8, 127:11,
127:13, 127:18,
127:22, 127:25,
128:13, 128:16,
128:20, 128:24,
129:1, 129:4, 129:9,
129:14, 129:18,
129:22, 129:25,
130:3, 130:9, 130:12,
130:14, 130:17,
130:23, 130:25,
131:2, 131:5, 131:9,
131:12, 131:18,
131:23, 132:3, 132:7,
132:10, 132:23,
133:7, 133:9, 134:19,
134:25, 135:3, 135:6,
135:17, 135:21,
136:2, 136:8, 136:11,
136:14, 136:18,
136:22, 136:25,
137:8, 137:14,
138:11, 138:14,
139:7, 139:16,
139:20, 140:5, 140:8,
140:11, 140:13,
140:15, 140:17,
142:12, 143:12,
143:19, 144:4,
144:10, 144:12,
144:24, 145:3,
145:10, 145:12,
145:15, 145:24,
146:2, 146:9, 146:12,
146:17, 146:21,
146:23, 147:1, 147:3,
147:10, 147:15,
148:9, 148:12,
148:15, 149:7,
149:21, 150:20,
151:2, 151:10,
151:13, 151:17,
152:4, 152:9, 152:11,
152:17, 152:23,
153:10, 154:9, 155:3,
155:11, 155:19,
155:22, 156:1, 156:4,
156:13, 156:16,
156:20, 156:24,
157:2, 157:6, 157:11,
157:16, 157:19,
157:22, 157:24,
158:2, 158:6, 158:8,
158:13, 158:16,
158:23, 158:25,
159:5, 159:21,
159:23, 160:2, 160:7,
160:18, 161:5,
161:23, 162:15,
162:23, 163:21,
164:1, 164:13,
164:18, 165:9,
165:20, 166:18,
166:21, 167:1,
167:14, 167:18,
167:21, 168:1, 168:8,
168:15, 169:1, 169:3,
169:8, 169:23, 170:1,
170:9, 170:14,
170:24, 171:1, 171:9,
171:22, 172:1, 172:4,
172:6, 172:11,
172:15, 172:17,
172:23, 173:1, 173:3,
173:5, 173:7, 173:16,
173:20, 173:22,
174:7, 174:10,
174:12, 174:14,
174:20, 174:24,
175:5, 175:8, 175:12,
175:19, 175:25,
176:5, 176:9, 176:12,
176:15, 176:21,
177:4, 177:8, 177:13,
177:16, 177:21,
178:1, 178:7, 178:11,
178:15, 178:24,
179:2, 179:10,
179:16, 179:20,
180:1, 180:3, 180:8,
180:10, 180:17,
181:2, 181:5, 181:7,
181:9, 181:13,
181:16, 181:19,
182:3, 182:12,
182:21, 183:6,
183:17, 183:20,
183:25, 184:18,
184:22, 185:12,
185:17, 185:19,
185:21, 186:1, 186:4,
186:9, 186:11,
186:14, 186:17,
186:20, 186:24,
187:1, 187:6, 187:8,
187:13, 187:16,
187:19, 187:22,
188:1, 188:3, 188:5,
188:14, 188:17,
188:21, 188:24,
189:3, 189:7, 189:11,
189:14, 189:17,
189:25, 190:6,
190:11, 190:19,
190:21, 190:25,
191:3, 191:6, 191:9,
191:14, 191:21,
191:23, 192:6, 192:8,
192:10, 192:13,
192:16, 192:22,
192:25, 193:4, 193:9,
193:11, 193:16,
193:19, 193:24,
194:3, 194:7, 194:12,
194:23, 195:7,
195:10, 195:19,
195:22, 196:3, 196:6,
196:9, 196:12,
196:25, 197:5,
197:12, 197:17,
197:23, 198:3, 198:5,
198:7, 198:9, 198:14,
198:18, 198:22,
198:25, 199:3, 199:6,
199:8, 199:10,
199:12, 199:16,
199:19, 199:22,
200:5, 200:8, 200:15,
200:21, 200:25,
201:2, 201:5, 201:15,
201:20, 201:23,
202:1, 202:4, 202:13,
202:17, 202:19,
202:25, 203:3, 203:6,
203:16, 203:18,
203:23, 203:25,
204:3, 204:6, 204:14,
204:22, 204:25,
205:7, 205:10,
205:15, 205:21,
205:25, 206:4,
206:17, 206:21,
206:23, 207:1,
207:11, 207:15,
207:18, 207:21,
207:23, 208:1, 208:3,
208:6, 208:9, 208:13,
208:18, 209:2, 209:7,
210:3, 210:7, 210:19,
210:22, 210:25,
211:12, 211:15,
211:22, 212:3,
213:13, 213:17,
213:20, 213:23,
213:25, 214:2,
214:12, 214:18,
214:23, 215:2,
215:10, 215:14,
215:16, 215:18,
216:1, 216:8, 216:12,
216:14, 216:17,
217:2, 217:5
lose [2] - 41:17,
159:12
losing [1] - 180:20
lost [4] - 53:6, 66:20,
147:13, 165:18
Lou [10] - 18:24,
121:24, 122:7, 122:8,
123:16, 126:11,
126:12, 156:9, 156:10
Louisiana [1] - 196:2
love [6] - 9:15, 25:22,
112:12, 125:16,
147:13
loving [1] - 172:13
lowlife [1] - 43:3
luck [8] - 77:24,
77:25, 81:23, 82:2,
170:19, 171:20,
180:14, 186:18
luckiest [2] - 159:13,
180:13
lucky [3] - 81:22,
180:13, 192:19
lump [1] - 151:5
lunch [4] - 60:23,
119:8, 122:19, 123:24
lying [12] - 24:13,
24:14, 33:20, 35:10,
40:3, 52:4, 103:5,
104:8, 105:8, 137:8,
137:9
lynch [1] - 188:5
M
mad [2] - 184:9,
212:16
mafia [3] - 165:2,
165:3, 187:12
magician [1] 170:16
mail [28] - 21:15,
21:19, 34:16, 37:19,
38:17, 39:8, 40:3,
44:10, 65:16, 90:14,
95:14, 98:15, 98:23,
103:14, 104:2,
121:12, 163:1, 163:2,
163:7, 163:17,
164:20, 167:9, 174:5,
177:1, 177:24,
177:25, 179:9, 200:13
mailbox [1] - 147:23
mailed [3] - 62:1,
62:2, 218:6
mails [13] - 33:23,
33:24, 34:14, 34:18,
34:20, 37:15, 39:11,
39:14, 39:19, 61:17,
64:18, 92:13, 163:6
main [2] - 29:5,
162:12
major [2] - 94:18,
173:9
man [8] - 18:18,
20:10, 28:10, 66:10,
151:8, 157:12,
180:25, 192:19
manage [1] - 185:18
managed [1] - 162:1
Management [1] 78:19
management [1] 71:14
manager [4] - 27:16,
61:3, 61:14, 180:4
manipulating [1] 153:5
manipulation [1] 88:15
mantra [1] - 197:4
13
map [1] - 189:13
March [1] - 53:21
margarita [1] 178:23
mark [1] - 98:24
Mark [1] - 47:20
marked [2] - 3:14
Martin [31] - 11:10,
12:12, 12:18, 12:21,
13:5, 15:19, 40:25,
68:25, 88:17, 90:6,
94:24, 95:1, 95:4,
97:15, 104:25,
105:25, 124:22,
127:13, 127:22,
128:2, 128:10,
158:15, 158:16,
158:19, 167:22,
174:16, 177:2,
198:11, 198:23,
215:8, 215:21
Martin's [2] - 95:19,
120:1
Martinez [2] - 82:15,
82:21
Marty's [1] - 94:17
master [1] - 146:20
mastermind [2] 146:20, 146:22
materials [2] - 94:1,
94:3
math [1] - 208:1
matter [10] - 31:22,
43:3, 55:21, 89:14,
91:23, 97:16, 117:19,
181:21, 205:20, 207:7
McCulloh [2] - 27:22,
82:21
McKinley [1] - 120:5
mean [171] - 6:6,
6:14, 8:2, 10:20,
14:10, 14:17, 16:25,
21:11, 22:5, 22:12,
24:14, 26:2, 26:9,
29:2, 29:20, 29:22,
36:2, 38:3, 38:24,
41:8, 41:19, 41:23,
45:3, 45:4, 46:15,
47:7, 48:19, 48:24,
49:2, 49:6, 49:21,
55:5, 56:11, 57:9,
58:13, 58:20, 58:24,
59:25, 60:1, 60:23,
61:15, 61:19, 62:13,
63:10, 63:18, 63:20,
65:4, 65:22, 67:10,
68:7, 70:10, 70:17,
71:12, 72:10, 73:21,
76:6, 76:22, 78:1,
78:10, 78:11, 79:14,
79:15, 79:16, 80:4,
80:18, 82:1, 82:7,
83:21, 84:9, 84:14,
86:25, 87:11, 87:17,
88:20, 88:25, 90:9,
90:10, 94:25, 97:5,
97:10, 99:6, 100:12,
101:7, 102:13, 105:6,
107:17, 108:16,
109:6, 109:19,
110:20, 111:8,
111:10, 111:12,
112:1, 112:20,
114:13, 116:5,
116:19, 117:6,
117:20, 123:2,
123:13, 123:19,
126:5, 126:19,
126:23, 128:6,
133:21, 136:5,
138:21, 140:1, 141:9,
142:11, 142:20,
144:6, 147:7, 148:1,
148:3, 148:16,
148:22, 149:12,
152:24, 153:15,
153:20, 154:2,
154:22, 155:5, 157:1,
158:17, 159:2,
159:14, 165:8,
168:21, 170:12,
174:10, 175:6,
177:18, 178:2,
182:19, 183:8,
185:14, 187:3,
187:14, 187:20,
188:2, 189:20, 190:9,
190:10, 191:13,
193:21, 195:8,
196:20, 198:22,
199:1, 200:11, 204:9,
205:1, 206:8, 207:5,
210:14, 210:23,
214:21, 215:15,
215:19, 216:5
meaning [2] - 50:20,
68:24
means [5] - 2:5,
69:22, 76:14, 118:4,
152:24
meant [2] - 55:23,
73:9
meantime [2] 90:20, 153:2
media [3] - 26:5,
82:5, 82:10
meet [20] - 8:25,
10:7, 10:13, 94:5,
96:24, 107:11,
114:14, 124:12,
126:11, 128:21,
143:1, 147:18,
151:18, 170:22,
176:13, 180:23,
184:4, 184:5, 184:9,
184:24
meeting [51] - 9:9,
9:10, 9:21, 10:1, 10:8,
13:6, 17:7, 21:10,
26:12, 27:14, 27:15,
27:16, 27:17, 27:18,
31:18, 50:16, 53:13,
53:20, 53:22, 56:8,
62:22, 90:15, 96:23,
103:4, 104:5, 109:22,
110:8, 112:8, 114:16,
115:17, 116:17,
122:18, 124:9,
124:10, 124:20,
125:1, 125:2, 128:7,
128:11, 128:14,
133:5, 142:19,
142:22, 156:15,
166:4, 167:3, 184:7,
201:1, 212:16
meetings [5] - 15:11,
22:11, 115:16,
161:18, 166:23
meets [1] - 115:15
Melwood [1] - 168:5
member [5] - 26:2,
30:5, 53:14, 95:15,
148:10
members [16] 24:23, 27:20, 53:11,
72:18, 73:20, 77:22,
82:15, 82:17, 82:19,
82:24, 83:8, 87:3,
161:16, 161:17,
162:11, 195:2
men [1] - 116:9
mentality [1] 208:21
mention [4] - 7:4,
26:21, 30:4, 89:1
mentor [3] - 125:7,
157:10, 202:6
meow [1] - 214:7
mesmerized [1] 178:15
mess [2] - 153:25,
159:10
message [14] 99:24, 100:16,
101:12, 102:3, 102:4,
102:14, 102:21,
102:23, 105:22,
132:13, 133:6,
146:12, 146:13
messing [2] -
163:24, 186:16
met [7] - 60:19,
61:19, 66:22, 96:3,
181:19, 196:22
Methodist [2] 148:3, 148:22
meticulous [1] 134:24
Metropolitan [1] 54:10
Mexican [2] - 5:17,
53:1
middle [2] - 149:15,
152:1
Middle [1] - 28:24
miffed [1] - 122:6
might [19] - 17:22,
45:16, 58:17, 92:11,
111:24, 116:14,
117:20, 119:19,
132:19, 133:14,
150:18, 170:10,
170:20, 196:15,
200:3, 210:5, 215:23,
215:24
Mike [10] - 91:15,
91:17, 91:18, 99:2,
99:4, 99:10, 103:15,
155:23, 156:1
military [7] - 60:23,
66:12, 120:13,
122:12, 169:14,
184:15, 214:10
million [8] - 186:11,
190:1, 206:10,
206:11, 206:12,
206:13, 206:15, 208:3
millions [1] - 31:14
mind [4] - 54:11,
81:1, 151:12, 162:9
minded [3] - 27:20,
82:19, 83:19
mine [3] - 5:9, 79:1,
153:16
minister [1] - 148:21
Minneapolis [4] 111:25, 193:3, 193:4
MINNESOTA [1] 218:2
minorities [1] - 28:25
minority [2] - 90:21,
154:7
minute [16] - 9:3,
9:24, 87:20, 89:20,
91:25, 93:2, 98:8,
104:23, 109:21,
123:17, 162:20,
165:14, 181:5, 184:15
minutes [2] - 95:5,
217:9
Minutes [1] - 205:14
miss [2] - 21:9, 84:16
missed [1] - 17:23
missing [1] - 84:18
mission [1] - 88:20
misspellings [1] 41:10
mistake [1] - 185:23
mistakes [3] 134:23, 135:1, 185:20
misunderstand [1] 13:9
Mitch [6] - 164:10,
164:12, 164:13,
164:20, 165:25, 166:2
model [1] - 212:25
modify [1] - 78:6
moment [7] - 52:14,
56:13, 57:5, 85:18,
106:17, 107:14,
113:19
mommy [1] - 147:23
money [26] - 24:5,
25:18, 45:3, 45:4,
45:5, 45:21, 58:21,
74:1, 79:8, 80:23,
81:6, 109:3, 109:5,
146:6, 148:6, 165:13,
203:13, 203:15,
203:16, 207:14,
208:16, 208:22,
209:5, 209:10, 211:6,
211:21
monies [1] - 154:18
monitor [1] - 139:22
Monopoly [1] - 119:9
month [2] - 86:7,
109:4
month's [1] - 142:7
months [8] - 19:3,
21:15, 85:22, 85:23,
98:15, 109:3, 109:17,
182:5
monumental [1] 136:8
moon [2] - 148:25,
150:13
morale [1] - 94:19
morning [2] - 18:22,
170:23
most [7] - 24:23,
71:13, 116:9, 116:11,
165:2, 207:17
motivation [2] 207:8, 208:15
mouth [2] - 35:21,
130:5
mouthing [2] 13:20, 216:10
move [4] - 53:19,
14
80:16, 182:18, 213:4
MPAs [1] - 96:10
MR [946] - 3:4, 3:6,
3:8, 3:10, 3:16, 3:18,
4:7, 4:10, 4:12, 4:14,
4:17, 4:19, 4:25, 5:11,
5:24, 6:2, 6:8, 6:11,
6:16, 7:1, 7:4, 7:8,
7:10, 7:14, 7:19, 7:24,
8:7, 8:10, 8:18, 10:10,
10:16, 10:22, 11:1,
11:4, 11:8, 11:13,
11:19, 11:22, 11:25,
12:5, 13:2, 13:6,
13:13, 13:21, 13:24,
14:2, 14:5, 14:7,
14:10, 14:12, 14:15,
14:17, 14:20, 14:23,
15:5, 15:7, 15:9,
15:13, 15:15, 15:21,
16:1, 16:6, 16:8,
16:14, 16:22, 16:24,
17:2, 17:6, 17:12,
17:14, 17:16, 17:18,
17:22, 17:25, 18:2,
18:5, 18:8, 18:11,
18:13, 18:15, 18:18,
18:20, 19:5, 19:8,
20:3, 20:6, 20:13,
20:18, 20:20, 20:22,
20:24, 21:3, 21:5,
21:12, 21:23, 22:1,
22:7, 22:9, 22:15,
22:19, 22:23, 23:1,
23:3, 23:5, 23:8,
23:12, 23:16, 23:24,
24:1, 24:6, 24:8,
24:10, 24:16, 25:4,
25:8, 25:11, 25:15,
25:22, 26:8, 26:11,
26:20, 27:1, 27:7,
27:9, 27:23, 28:18,
29:8, 29:15, 29:23,
30:6, 30:13, 30:16,
30:19, 31:1, 31:8,
31:12, 31:15, 31:19,
32:7, 32:18, 32:21,
32:23, 32:25, 33:2,
33:4, 33:6, 33:8,
33:21, 34:1, 34:6,
34:12, 34:23, 35:1,
35:5, 35:9, 35:12,
35:20, 35:23, 36:1,
36:5, 36:13, 36:17,
36:20, 36:24, 37:7,
37:11, 37:15, 37:22,
38:2, 38:4, 38:9,
38:13, 38:16, 38:22,
39:3, 39:17, 39:22,
40:6, 40:14, 40:17,
41:18, 42:9, 42:21,
44:6, 44:11, 44:16,
44:20, 44:24, 45:8,
45:12, 45:17, 45:19,
45:25, 46:6, 46:14,
46:20, 46:24, 47:11,
47:22, 48:7, 48:13,
48:24, 49:6, 49:10,
49:12, 49:17, 49:24,
50:1, 50:7, 50:12,
50:19, 51:4, 51:10,
51:14, 51:25, 52:5,
52:7, 52:9, 52:14,
52:17, 52:19, 52:24,
53:9, 53:25, 54:7,
54:17, 54:24, 55:5,
55:16, 55:19, 56:2,
56:6, 56:11, 56:24,
57:4, 57:11, 57:13,
57:16, 57:21, 58:5,
58:8, 58:17, 58:23,
59:3, 59:6, 59:12,
59:15, 59:22, 59:24,
60:3, 60:6, 60:11,
60:21, 61:1, 62:3,
62:6, 62:10, 62:15,
62:25, 63:5, 63:14,
63:19, 63:24, 64:22,
65:6, 65:21, 66:2,
66:4, 66:14, 66:16,
66:19, 66:21, 66:25,
67:3, 67:6, 67:9,
67:14, 67:18, 67:22,
68:5, 68:9, 68:13,
68:15, 68:21, 68:24,
69:3, 69:8, 69:13,
69:16, 69:19, 69:25,
70:8, 70:13, 70:20,
70:23, 71:1, 71:5,
71:9, 71:17, 71:23,
72:3, 72:6, 72:10,
72:13, 72:21, 72:23,
73:1, 73:7, 73:11,
73:16, 73:22, 74:2,
74:4, 74:7, 74:10,
74:14, 74:24, 75:2,
75:9, 75:13, 75:20,
75:25, 76:3, 76:8,
76:11, 76:14, 76:19,
76:21, 77:1, 77:4,
77:12, 78:1, 78:9,
79:15, 79:21, 80:3,
80:6, 80:10, 80:13,
80:17, 80:20, 80:25,
81:4, 81:8, 81:11,
81:15, 81:19, 81:21,
81:24, 82:3, 82:9,
82:13, 82:16, 82:22,
82:25, 83:4, 83:9,
83:13, 83:16, 83:21,
83:24, 84:1, 84:7,
84:11, 84:13, 84:19,
84:22, 85:3, 85:5,
85:12, 85:16, 85:22,
85:25, 86:2, 86:17,
86:20, 86:23, 87:10,
87:15, 87:18, 88:1,
88:5, 88:8, 88:11,
88:15, 88:18, 88:22,
89:2, 89:10, 89:13,
89:19, 89:22, 90:1,
90:11, 90:25, 91:17,
92:4, 92:18, 92:24,
93:3, 93:13, 93:18,
94:15, 95:8, 95:14,
95:18, 95:21, 97:2,
97:5, 97:12, 97:17,
97:19, 98:3, 98:6,
98:9, 98:22, 98:25,
99:4, 99:6, 99:14,
99:20, 100:9, 100:24,
101:1, 101:7, 101:10,
101:23, 102:2, 102:5,
102:8, 102:12,
102:19, 103:1, 103:9,
103:11, 103:20,
104:1, 104:7, 104:11,
104:15, 104:18,
104:20, 105:2, 105:5,
105:7, 105:12,
105:18, 105:23,
106:3, 106:5, 106:10,
106:12, 106:17,
106:23, 107:2, 107:6,
107:9, 107:14,
107:18, 108:1, 108:7,
108:9, 108:14,
108:18, 108:24,
109:3, 109:12, 110:4,
110:17, 110:20,
110:25, 111:4, 111:8,
111:21, 112:4,
112:11, 112:20,
112:23, 113:3, 113:6,
113:9, 113:15,
113:17, 113:25,
114:3, 114:6, 114:9,
114:12, 114:21,
114:24, 115:4,
115:10, 115:14,
115:19, 115:21,
115:24, 116:5, 116:9,
116:16, 116:18,
116:22, 117:4,
117:10, 117:12,
117:14, 117:17,
117:21, 117:24,
118:2, 118:9, 118:11,
119:2, 119:6, 119:10,
119:14, 119:17,
119:22, 120:3, 120:5,
120:10, 120:14,
120:18, 120:21,
121:3, 121:8, 121:13,
121:16, 121:18,
121:20, 121:22,
122:7, 122:10,
122:13, 122:16,
122:21, 122:23,
123:22, 124:3, 124:7,
124:16, 124:21,
125:2, 125:5, 125:11,
125:17, 125:21,
126:10, 126:15,
126:18, 127:2, 127:6,
127:8, 127:11,
127:13, 127:18,
127:22, 127:25,
128:13, 128:16,
128:20, 128:24,
129:1, 129:4, 129:9,
129:14, 129:18,
129:22, 129:25,
130:3, 130:9, 130:12,
130:14, 130:17,
130:23, 130:25,
131:2, 131:5, 131:9,
131:12, 131:18,
131:23, 132:3, 132:7,
132:10, 132:23,
133:7, 133:9, 134:19,
134:25, 135:3, 135:6,
135:17, 135:21,
136:2, 136:8, 136:11,
136:14, 136:18,
136:22, 136:25,
137:8, 137:14,
138:11, 138:14,
139:7, 139:16,
139:20, 140:5, 140:8,
140:11, 140:13,
140:15, 140:17,
142:12, 143:12,
143:19, 144:4,
144:10, 144:12,
144:24, 145:3,
145:10, 145:12,
145:15, 145:24,
146:2, 146:9, 146:12,
146:17, 146:21,
146:23, 147:1, 147:3,
147:10, 147:15,
148:9, 148:12,
148:15, 149:7,
149:21, 150:20,
151:2, 151:10,
151:13, 151:17,
152:4, 152:9, 152:11,
152:17, 152:23,
153:10, 154:9, 155:3,
155:11, 155:19,
155:22, 156:1, 156:4,
156:13, 156:16,
156:20, 156:24,
157:2, 157:6, 157:11,
157:16, 157:19,
157:22, 157:24,
158:2, 158:6, 158:8,
158:13, 158:16,
158:23, 158:25,
159:5, 159:21,
159:23, 160:2, 160:7,
160:18, 161:5,
161:23, 162:15,
162:23, 163:21,
164:1, 164:13,
164:18, 165:9,
165:20, 166:18,
166:21, 167:1,
167:14, 167:18,
167:21, 168:1, 168:8,
168:15, 169:1, 169:3,
169:8, 169:23, 170:1,
170:9, 170:14,
170:24, 171:1, 171:9,
171:22, 172:1, 172:4,
172:6, 172:11,
172:15, 172:17,
172:23, 173:1, 173:3,
173:5, 173:7, 173:16,
173:20, 173:22,
174:7, 174:10,
174:12, 174:14,
174:20, 174:24,
175:5, 175:8, 175:12,
175:19, 175:25,
176:5, 176:9, 176:12,
176:15, 176:21,
177:4, 177:8, 177:13,
177:16, 177:21,
178:1, 178:7, 178:11,
178:15, 178:24,
179:2, 179:10,
179:16, 179:20,
180:1, 180:3, 180:8,
180:10, 180:17,
181:2, 181:5, 181:7,
181:9, 181:13,
181:16, 181:19,
182:3, 182:12,
182:21, 183:6,
183:17, 183:20,
183:25, 184:18,
184:22, 185:12,
185:17, 185:19,
185:21, 186:1, 186:4,
186:9, 186:11,
186:14, 186:17,
186:20, 186:24,
187:1, 187:6, 187:8,
187:13, 187:16,
187:19, 187:22,
188:1, 188:3, 188:5,
188:14, 188:17,
188:21, 188:24,
15
189:3, 189:7, 189:11,
189:14, 189:17,
189:25, 190:6,
190:11, 190:19,
190:21, 190:25,
191:3, 191:6, 191:9,
191:14, 191:21,
191:23, 192:6, 192:8,
192:10, 192:13,
192:16, 192:22,
192:25, 193:4, 193:9,
193:11, 193:16,
193:19, 193:24,
194:3, 194:7, 194:12,
194:23, 195:7,
195:10, 195:19,
195:22, 196:3, 196:6,
196:9, 196:12,
196:25, 197:5,
197:12, 197:17,
197:23, 198:3, 198:5,
198:7, 198:9, 198:14,
198:18, 198:22,
198:25, 199:3, 199:6,
199:8, 199:10,
199:12, 199:16,
199:19, 199:22,
200:5, 200:8, 200:15,
200:21, 200:25,
201:2, 201:5, 201:15,
201:20, 201:23,
202:1, 202:4, 202:13,
202:17, 202:19,
202:25, 203:3, 203:6,
203:16, 203:18,
203:23, 203:25,
204:3, 204:6, 204:14,
204:22, 204:25,
205:7, 205:10,
205:15, 205:21,
205:25, 206:4,
206:17, 206:21,
206:23, 207:1,
207:11, 207:15,
207:18, 207:21,
207:23, 208:1, 208:3,
208:6, 208:9, 208:13,
208:18, 209:2, 209:7,
210:3, 210:7, 210:19,
210:22, 210:25,
211:12, 211:15,
211:22, 212:3,
213:13, 213:17,
213:20, 213:23,
213:25, 214:2,
214:12, 214:18,
214:23, 215:2,
215:10, 215:14,
215:16, 215:18,
216:1, 216:8, 216:12,
216:14, 216:17,
217:2, 217:5
MS [948] - 3:2, 3:5,
3:7, 3:9, 3:12, 3:17,
3:19, 4:9, 4:11, 4:13,
4:16, 4:18, 4:20, 5:5,
5:12, 5:25, 6:4, 6:9,
6:14, 6:20, 7:2, 7:7,
7:9, 7:12, 7:17, 7:22,
8:1, 8:9, 8:12, 8:21,
10:11, 10:17, 10:25,
11:2, 11:6, 11:10,
11:16, 11:20, 11:23,
12:1, 12:8, 13:4,
13:12, 13:19, 13:23,
13:25, 14:4, 14:6,
14:8, 14:11, 14:14,
14:16, 14:19, 14:22,
15:4, 15:6, 15:8,
15:10, 15:14, 15:18,
15:22, 16:3, 16:7,
16:12, 16:16, 16:23,
16:25, 17:3, 17:8,
17:13, 17:15, 17:17,
17:19, 17:24, 18:1,
18:4, 18:6, 18:9,
18:12, 18:14, 18:17,
18:19, 18:21, 19:6,
20:2, 20:4, 20:7,
20:14, 20:19, 20:21,
20:23, 21:1, 21:4,
21:7, 21:13, 21:24,
22:2, 22:8, 22:12,
22:18, 22:20, 22:24,
23:2, 23:4, 23:7,
23:10, 23:13, 23:23,
23:25, 24:5, 24:7,
24:9, 24:13, 24:17,
25:5, 25:9, 25:13,
25:18, 25:25, 26:9,
26:12, 26:21, 27:2,
27:8, 27:10, 27:24,
28:19, 29:9, 29:16,
29:24, 30:7, 30:14,
30:17, 30:20, 31:2,
31:9, 31:13, 31:16,
31:20, 32:8, 32:19,
32:22, 32:24, 33:1,
33:3, 33:5, 33:7, 33:9,
33:22, 34:2, 34:7,
34:13, 34:24, 35:3,
35:6, 35:10, 35:19,
35:22, 35:24, 36:2,
36:11, 36:14, 36:18,
36:22, 37:2, 37:8,
37:12, 37:18, 37:24,
38:3, 38:6, 38:11,
38:14, 38:20, 38:23,
39:4, 39:18, 39:23,
40:7, 40:15, 40:24,
41:19, 42:10, 42:22,
44:7, 44:12, 44:17,
44:21, 44:25, 45:9,
45:13, 45:18, 45:20,
46:2, 46:11, 46:15,
46:21, 46:25, 47:13,
47:23, 48:8, 48:14,
48:25, 49:9, 49:11,
49:15, 49:21, 49:25,
50:3, 50:8, 50:14,
50:20, 51:5, 51:11,
51:15, 52:1, 52:6,
52:8, 52:13, 52:16,
52:18, 52:20, 53:4,
53:10, 54:2, 54:16,
54:22, 55:4, 55:7,
55:17, 55:22, 56:3,
56:7, 56:18, 56:25,
57:6, 57:12, 57:15,
57:20, 58:3, 58:6,
58:11, 58:19, 58:24,
59:4, 59:7, 59:14,
59:21, 59:23, 59:25,
60:4, 60:7, 60:12,
60:22, 61:2, 62:5,
62:7, 62:12, 62:16,
63:1, 63:6, 63:15,
63:20, 63:25, 64:23,
65:7, 65:22, 66:3,
66:5, 66:15, 66:17,
66:20, 66:22, 67:1,
67:4, 67:7, 67:10,
67:17, 67:21, 67:23,
68:6, 68:10, 68:14,
68:16, 68:22, 69:2,
69:5, 69:9, 69:14,
69:18, 69:24, 70:2,
70:9, 70:14, 70:21,
70:24, 71:2, 71:6,
71:10, 71:19, 71:24,
72:4, 72:7, 72:11,
72:20, 72:22, 72:24,
73:3, 73:9, 73:12,
73:17, 73:23, 74:3,
74:6, 74:8, 74:12,
74:23, 75:1, 75:8,
75:12, 75:18, 75:23,
76:1, 76:5, 76:9,
76:12, 76:17, 76:20,
76:22, 77:2, 77:6,
77:14, 78:2, 78:11,
79:20, 79:23, 80:4,
80:9, 80:12, 80:15,
80:18, 80:21, 81:1,
81:5, 81:9, 81:13,
81:17, 81:20, 81:22,
82:1, 82:4, 82:10,
82:14, 82:17, 82:24,
83:1, 83:7, 83:10,
83:14, 83:17, 83:22,
83:25, 84:3, 84:8,
84:12, 84:14, 84:20,
85:2, 85:4, 85:6,
85:14, 85:20, 85:24,
86:1, 86:11, 86:18,
86:22, 87:8, 87:11,
87:16, 87:24, 88:4,
88:7, 88:10, 88:14,
88:17, 88:19, 88:24,
89:8, 89:11, 89:17,
89:21, 89:25, 90:6,
90:13, 91:2, 91:18,
92:7, 92:19, 92:25,
93:5, 93:17, 93:21,
94:16, 95:9, 95:17,
95:19, 95:23, 97:3,
97:10, 97:13, 97:18,
97:20, 98:4, 98:7,
98:18, 98:23, 99:1,
99:5, 99:10, 99:17,
99:21, 100:7, 100:10,
100:25, 101:4, 101:9,
101:20, 102:1, 102:3,
102:7, 102:10,
102:13, 102:20,
103:2, 103:10,
103:13, 103:22,
104:2, 104:8, 104:12,
104:16, 104:19,
104:22, 105:3, 105:6,
105:8, 105:13,
105:19, 105:24,
106:4, 106:6, 106:11,
106:13, 106:21,
106:24, 107:3, 107:7,
107:10, 107:16,
107:22, 108:4, 108:8,
108:10, 108:16,
108:21, 109:2,
109:11, 109:18,
110:5, 110:18,
110:22, 111:1, 111:5,
111:9, 111:22, 112:5,
112:16, 112:21,
112:24, 113:4, 113:7,
113:13, 113:16,
113:21, 114:1, 114:4,
114:7, 114:10,
114:13, 114:22,
114:25, 115:5,
115:13, 115:15,
115:20, 115:22,
115:25, 116:6,
116:13, 116:17,
116:19, 116:23,
117:5, 117:11,
117:13, 117:15,
117:18, 117:22,
117:25, 118:7,
118:10, 118:12,
119:4, 119:7, 119:11,
119:16, 119:18,
119:23, 120:4, 120:6,
120:11, 120:15,
120:19, 120:22,
121:6, 121:9, 121:14,
121:17, 121:19,
121:21, 121:23,
122:8, 122:11,
122:14, 122:17,
122:22, 122:24,
123:23, 124:5, 124:8,
124:17, 124:22,
125:4, 125:9, 125:16,
125:20, 126:3,
126:11, 126:17,
126:19, 127:5, 127:7,
127:10, 127:12,
127:15, 127:19,
127:23, 128:12,
128:15, 128:19,
128:23, 128:25,
129:2, 129:8, 129:12,
129:15, 129:20,
129:24, 130:2, 130:8,
130:11, 130:13,
130:16, 130:21,
130:24, 131:1, 131:3,
131:8, 131:11,
131:17, 131:22,
132:1, 132:4, 132:8,
132:11, 133:1, 133:8,
133:10, 134:20,
135:2, 135:5, 135:14,
135:18, 135:22,
136:3, 136:9, 136:12,
136:15, 136:20,
136:24, 137:1,
137:10, 137:21,
138:13, 138:15,
139:8, 139:17,
139:21, 140:6, 140:9,
140:12, 140:14,
140:16, 140:18,
142:13, 143:13,
143:20, 144:5,
144:11, 144:13,
144:25, 145:4,
145:11, 145:14,
145:16, 145:25,
146:3, 146:10,
146:13, 146:19,
146:22, 146:24,
147:2, 147:4, 147:11,
147:16, 148:10,
148:13, 148:16,
149:8, 149:22,
150:21, 151:3,
151:11, 151:14,
151:18, 152:5,
152:10, 152:14,
152:19, 152:24,
153:14, 154:10,
155:4, 155:13,
155:20, 155:25,
16
156:2, 156:5, 156:14,
156:17, 156:21,
156:25, 157:3, 157:7,
157:12, 157:17,
157:21, 157:23,
158:1, 158:5, 158:7,
158:10, 158:14,
158:17, 158:24,
159:2, 159:6, 159:22,
159:24, 160:3, 160:8,
160:19, 161:6,
161:24, 162:16,
162:24, 163:22,
164:2, 164:14,
164:19, 165:10,
165:21, 166:19,
166:22, 167:2,
167:15, 167:19,
167:25, 168:2, 168:9,
168:17, 169:2, 169:5,
169:9, 169:24, 170:2,
170:10, 170:15,
170:25, 171:2,
171:10, 171:25,
172:2, 172:5, 172:8,
172:13, 172:16,
172:18, 172:24,
173:2, 173:4, 173:6,
173:12, 173:18,
173:21, 173:23,
174:8, 174:11,
174:13, 174:19,
174:22, 175:4, 175:6,
175:11, 175:17,
175:21, 176:2, 176:6,
176:10, 176:13,
176:17, 176:22,
177:6, 177:10,
177:15, 177:20,
177:22, 178:2, 178:9,
178:14, 178:16,
179:1, 179:3, 179:12,
179:17, 179:24,
180:2, 180:6, 180:9,
180:12, 180:23,
181:3, 181:6, 181:8,
181:10, 181:14,
181:17, 181:24,
182:4, 182:13,
182:22, 183:7,
183:18, 183:21,
184:1, 184:19,
184:23, 185:13,
185:18, 185:20,
185:22, 186:2, 186:6,
186:10, 186:13,
186:15, 186:18,
186:21, 186:25,
187:2, 187:7, 187:10,
187:14, 187:17,
187:20, 187:23,
188:2, 188:4, 188:6,
188:15, 188:19,
188:22, 188:25,
189:4, 189:8, 189:12,
189:15, 189:19,
190:4, 190:7, 190:13,
190:20, 190:23,
191:1, 191:4, 191:7,
191:11, 191:15,
191:22, 191:24,
192:7, 192:9, 192:12,
192:14, 192:18,
192:24, 193:2, 193:5,
193:10, 193:14,
193:18, 193:21,
194:1, 194:5, 194:8,
194:13, 194:24,
195:8, 195:11,
195:20, 195:24,
196:4, 196:7, 196:10,
196:13, 197:1, 197:8,
197:13, 197:18,
197:25, 198:4, 198:6,
198:8, 198:12,
198:17, 198:21,
198:23, 199:1, 199:4,
199:7, 199:9, 199:11,
199:14, 199:17,
199:20, 199:25,
200:6, 200:9, 200:16,
200:22, 201:1, 201:4,
201:14, 201:18,
201:21, 201:24,
202:3, 202:11,
202:15, 202:18,
202:22, 203:1, 203:4,
203:7, 203:17,
203:19, 203:24,
204:1, 204:4, 204:8,
204:15, 204:23,
205:1, 205:8, 205:11,
205:16, 205:22,
206:2, 206:5, 206:19,
206:22, 206:24,
207:2, 207:12,
207:16, 207:20,
207:22, 207:24,
208:2, 208:4, 208:7,
208:11, 208:14,
208:21, 209:3, 209:8,
210:4, 210:8, 210:20,
210:23, 211:1,
211:13, 211:19,
211:23, 212:7,
213:14, 213:18,
213:21, 213:24,
214:1, 214:3, 214:13,
214:19, 214:24,
215:4, 215:12,
215:15, 215:17,
215:23, 216:5,
216:10, 216:13,
216:15, 216:24,
217:3, 217:7
multi [1] - 143:25
multimillion [1] 141:9
multimillion-dollar
[1] - 141:9
Mumford [2] - 48:25,
189:9
Museum [1] - 54:10
must [7] - 6:2,
126:10, 130:9,
136:18, 152:17, 190:2
muster [5] - 125:19,
173:10, 173:20,
173:22, 202:9
MY [1] - 218:19
N
nah [2] - 83:18, 94:9
Nails [1] - 174:3
name [20] - 22:21,
30:2, 30:3, 53:8, 53:9,
66:14, 66:16, 74:17,
84:5, 89:1, 91:16,
140:13, 140:18,
187:16, 195:22,
195:23, 195:24,
203:9, 217:1
Names [1] - 2:8
narrowly [1] - 26:3
nasty [2] - 78:7,
106:1
National [5] - 84:23,
85:12, 99:25, 100:17,
101:13
NC [1] - 204:13
NCED [10] - 69:6,
203:2, 203:3, 203:9,
204:11, 204:13,
205:19, 206:19,
206:22, 206:25
NCWC [1] - 53:7
NCWCs [1] - 96:12
near [3] - 10:6, 32:4,
130:20
nearby [1] - 4:10
necessarily [5] 42:6, 58:25, 99:18,
187:15, 208:16
necessary [1] 130:18
Nee [1] - 195:2
need [45] - 9:16,
10:8, 16:15, 21:20,
24:10, 34:9, 34:10,
34:21, 37:25, 49:22,
52:6, 58:19, 61:24,
61:25, 65:13, 76:25,
96:24, 99:9, 100:7,
106:21, 109:23,
112:14, 114:15,
116:25, 123:18,
124:23, 131:6,
132:15, 137:23,
147:14, 162:10,
177:2, 196:21,
201:24, 204:2, 204:5,
204:6, 204:15,
204:16, 205:25,
211:11, 216:13,
216:19, 217:5
needed [3] - 9:25,
44:12, 60:12
needs [2] - 99:15,
182:14
negotiating [1] 144:8
neighbor [1] - 200:2
neighborhood [1] 147:21
neophyte [1] - 22:10
nerve [1] - 61:12
nervous [1] - 66:22
network [1] - 195:14
never [49] - 3:24,
5:15, 9:1, 9:11, 12:5,
14:24, 17:4, 18:6,
27:12, 34:15, 34:24,
36:3, 51:5, 53:3,
54:13, 55:20, 63:22,
73:25, 74:1, 74:2,
78:24, 79:10, 79:21,
79:22, 80:1, 90:19,
91:7, 96:20, 102:11,
102:17, 102:18,
111:14, 112:9,
122:14, 137:1, 137:2,
143:5, 153:5, 154:15,
155:2, 158:25,
169:22, 173:25,
195:2, 199:12
New [2] - 46:7, 54:8
new [33] - 32:13,
32:14, 44:14, 44:17,
45:1, 47:1, 49:2,
53:11, 54:3, 84:5,
86:11, 98:17, 112:18,
116:24, 132:25,
133:8, 135:10,
144:18, 161:19,
162:8, 169:11,
170:21, 182:7,
193:12, 203:2, 203:3,
203:8, 203:9, 203:19,
204:11, 213:6
newly [1] - 98:19
news [2] - 49:18,
68:4
next [7] - 4:4, 75:2,
87:5, 107:1, 149:25,
150:3, 155:10
NGA [1] - 84:23
NIB [2] - 78:20, 191:4
nice [8] - 29:24, 65:3,
137:20, 159:25,
169:14, 184:16,
188:10, 207:17
nicely [1] - 185:7
niece [1] - 19:1
night [7] - 4:12, 9:4,
92:15, 118:1, 118:12,
151:1, 178:17
nights [3] - 88:21,
89:14, 89:16
nine [4] - 104:19,
106:2, 140:22, 154:3
NISH [53] - 9:10,
10:13, 25:25, 26:1,
26:3, 26:5, 27:13,
30:5, 49:6, 60:1, 60:5,
71:14, 72:18, 78:13,
78:21, 79:6, 81:5,
109:4, 109:7, 109:10,
126:21, 136:3, 136:5,
140:8, 141:5, 141:17,
141:23, 142:10,
154:18, 155:9, 157:5,
157:8, 158:4, 160:19,
161:1, 161:14, 162:5,
164:20, 164:24,
176:21, 181:22,
183:15, 191:4,
191:17, 195:16,
196:17, 196:18,
204:17, 205:2,
208:15, 208:24,
209:21, 211:23
nitpick [1] - 123:10
nobody [6] - 27:4,
42:8, 146:10, 152:20,
162:19, 167:20
noise [1] - 114:20
non [3] - 79:18,
140:24, 141:1
non-AbilityOne [1] 141:1
non-job [1] - 140:24
none [2] - 65:8,
185:25
nonprofit [5] - 79:18,
125:7, 125:18,
137:16, 173:9
normal [1] - 100:13
normally [1] - 28:15
North [2] - 96:7,
96:10
Notary [1] - 218:24
17
note [2] - 12:20,
93:21
note-taker [1] 12:20
notebook [1] - 94:6
NOTES [1] - 2:1
Notes [1] - 218:10
notes [7] - 3:13,
12:15, 12:16, 13:4,
13:7, 13:14, 13:18
nothing [20] - 39:23,
43:2, 56:14, 62:21,
69:8, 93:19, 98:9,
99:10, 106:18,
115:11, 118:4,
123:19, 133:12,
136:7, 141:7, 172:22,
174:4, 201:15, 206:7,
212:6
notice [2] - 86:6,
205:3
noticed [1] - 79:15
notify [1] - 178:19
nowadays [1] 136:19
nowhere [3] 122:22, 130:20,
150:22
nugget [2] - 129:6,
131:15
number [6] - 73:15,
86:19, 97:20, 207:9,
208:19
Nurenberg [1] 53:14
nuts [1] - 56:7
O
o'clock [4] - 18:22,
95:2, 102:15, 170:22
Obama [1] - 212:19
obvious [1] - 40:21
obviously [12] - 36:8,
39:2, 40:20, 45:19,
55:20, 74:11, 89:23,
98:9, 107:20, 107:22,
109:13, 113:11
occurred [2] - 24:19,
37:21
OF [3] - 218:1, 218:2,
218:3
offer [1] - 165:12
offered [2] - 146:16,
146:17
office [8] - 9:10,
25:23, 28:11, 46:3,
92:15, 95:1, 149:2,
197:5
officer [18] - 33:17,
35:13, 35:16, 35:24,
36:15, 39:8, 84:9,
88:16, 98:13, 98:14,
99:24, 100:16,
101:12, 103:17,
103:18, 112:13,
120:13, 179:11
officers [3] - 67:16,
157:14, 162:13
offices [1] - 27:13
often [2] - 89:5,
148:3
OIG [7] - 48:17,
48:18, 50:20, 51:17,
70:15, 189:8, 205:19
old [9] - 5:9, 58:16,
83:23, 84:15, 169:13,
169:21, 193:5
older [1] - 66:15
oldest [1] - 19:1
Olynyk [2] - 1:24,
218:24
Omar [2] - 73:24,
159:19
on-paper [1] - 32:6
once [10] - 26:3,
30:4, 53:2, 54:12,
56:15, 61:20, 70:18,
75:20, 138:24, 181:11
one [126] - 3:12,
4:12, 5:2, 5:10, 8:22,
11:14, 12:22, 23:16,
23:18, 24:1, 25:1,
25:6, 27:18, 27:19,
31:23, 37:4, 39:15,
40:3, 42:8, 42:25,
43:1, 45:3, 45:15,
45:22, 45:24, 45:25,
47:13, 47:15, 48:16,
54:10, 54:17, 55:8,
62:20, 64:5, 65:11,
71:15, 73:2, 76:4,
77:17, 79:15, 81:14,
82:15, 83:10, 83:11,
85:6, 85:19, 85:24,
86:20, 86:24, 87:1,
87:5, 90:9, 91:25,
93:2, 93:6, 96:22,
102:11, 105:21,
107:1, 121:17,
122:17, 125:25,
126:1, 127:1, 130:24,
132:12, 133:18,
139:9, 139:19,
139:20, 142:2, 142:9,
143:14, 144:19,
146:8, 146:12,
146:13, 147:25,
152:15, 153:21,
159:15, 159:16,
164:15, 164:23,
165:2, 165:22,
168:21, 169:12,
169:18, 169:19,
169:20, 169:22,
170:5, 170:7, 172:9,
172:10, 174:3,
178:23, 178:24,
187:9, 190:13,
190:15, 190:17,
195:1, 195:4, 196:15,
197:18, 198:9, 203:4,
206:3, 207:9, 210:4,
210:6, 210:16, 215:18
one-on-one [2] 12:22, 105:21
ones [8] - 46:18,
46:19, 54:3, 84:10,
139:18, 156:22,
165:2, 213:6
open [7] - 14:12,
27:20, 50:15, 82:19,
83:19, 211:15, 212:1
open-minded [3] 27:20, 82:19, 83:19
opener [2] - 23:9,
26:13
openly [2] - 128:6,
128:7
operating [1] 208:12
operation [3] - 9:2,
180:3, 210:15
opinion [1] - 136:5
opportunities [14] 30:22, 30:23, 31:14,
32:3, 32:16, 46:12,
46:13, 47:8, 48:1,
55:12, 84:17, 116:24,
144:1, 166:12
opportunity [7] 43:13, 45:1, 45:21,
46:1, 54:9, 138:10,
162:4
opposite [1] - 200:9
Ops [1] - 194:23
ops [3] - 10:8,
116:23, 161:18
option [2] - 29:14,
79:17
Options [6] - 138:13,
138:14, 194:8,
194:14, 194:20, 197:9
orchard [1] - 89:4
orders [1] - 175:2
Oregon [2] - 212:17,
212:21
organization [2] 87:6, 87:13
organized [1] - 80:10
originally [1] - 180:4
ought [6] - 8:25,
34:25, 66:9, 74:3,
163:3, 164:21
ourselves [1] - 12:4
outcome [1] - 218:15
outfit [3] - 120:16,
134:24, 141:5
outright [1] - 108:22
outside [3] - 79:10,
95:1, 211:13
outstanding [1] 104:5
overabundance [1] 11:5
overcome [1] 106:20
overlook [1] - 186:3
overnight [1] 191:13
overseas [2] - 140:2,
210:2
oversight [1] 191:20
own [7] - 3:11, 22:4,
29:16, 29:17, 64:17,
197:19, 204:18
owned [1] - 29:13
P
PACER [1] - 51:24
Pacific [1] - 95:15
page [1] - 218:11
Pages [3] - 1:9, 1:10,
1:11
pages [1] - 137:7
paper [5] - 32:6,
65:3, 158:17, 163:2,
199:21
paperwork [1] 134:16
parading [1] - 12:25
paranoia [1] - 194:6
paranoid [5] - 6:16,
7:9, 12:13, 176:22,
176:23
parenthetical [1] 2:5
part [23] - 23:13,
24:15, 43:25, 44:1,
69:11, 73:17, 86:6,
91:6, 95:9, 101:1,
101:3, 104:17,
129:23, 129:24,
129:25, 157:9, 166:2,
173:2, 178:3, 212:7,
214:8, 214:14
participate [3] 40:19, 72:19, 78:21
participating [1] 99:13
particularly [1] 168:6
parties [2] - 218:13,
218:14
partner [21] - 4:25,
5:1, 29:18, 31:10,
32:6, 120:22, 121:4,
125:18, 128:19,
128:20, 138:7, 138:8,
138:9, 141:4, 172:14,
173:11, 198:13,
198:19, 200:20,
201:8, 202:8
partnered [1] 137:17
partnering [4] - 5:2,
30:10, 31:13, 125:25
partners [1] - 29:5
party [5] - 62:20,
62:21, 111:19,
200:24, 218:14
partying [1] - 49:3
Paso [4] - 203:4,
205:8, 206:25, 207:1
pass [5] - 125:19,
125:21, 125:22,
163:11, 202:9
passed [2] - 64:20,
125:24
passing [3] - 154:2,
184:11, 210:9
past [3] - 125:6,
135:7, 146:4
pasted [2] - 41:10,
134:1
pasting [1] - 133:24
path [1] - 131:14
patience [1] - 159:8
Paul [4] - 157:4,
157:6, 157:7, 162:11
pay [13] - 68:17,
73:6, 73:19, 73:20,
142:6, 143:5, 143:6,
143:9, 143:10,
143:23, 206:10,
206:12
paying [3] - 24:4,
61:6, 141:17
PBS [1] - 205:13
PCSI [18] - 60:9,
60:10, 61:23, 62:23,
64:24, 64:25, 67:1,
67:24, 121:12,
170:23, 170:24,
171:3, 171:20,
171:22, 176:11,
181:7, 185:10, 197:14
peace [1] - 171:16
18
Peckham [1] - 109:9
peeling [1] - 208:16
Peggy [2] - 161:9,
165:10
pen [2] - 109:23,
174:3
penalty [4] - 140:20,
140:23, 144:16,
158:15
penning [1] - 106:24
penny [1] - 209:25
people [114] - 8:7,
8:10, 10:13, 11:12,
14:8, 24:4, 24:11,
25:16, 28:7, 29:16,
29:19, 35:12, 35:13,
39:19, 42:6, 42:16,
42:19, 45:2, 47:4,
47:5, 50:18, 50:22,
51:3, 52:4, 52:10,
54:20, 54:21, 55:1,
55:2, 63:8, 65:1, 68:1,
78:9, 81:3, 84:9, 85:8,
91:1, 99:7, 99:12,
111:13, 112:19,
115:8, 117:16,
120:22, 123:8,
123:11, 124:14,
125:10, 126:13,
126:21, 126:22,
127:13, 128:22,
134:7, 137:19, 138:2,
139:12, 141:20,
142:5, 142:16,
145:20, 146:1, 146:8,
148:7, 148:20, 153:3,
153:21, 154:7,
155:13, 156:5,
156:18, 157:17,
162:6, 162:7, 162:20,
165:16, 165:17,
170:6, 172:19,
183:15, 184:13,
186:22, 186:23,
189:24, 190:8,
191:18, 195:14,
196:20, 198:24,
202:6, 204:4, 205:4,
205:12, 205:17,
208:24, 208:25,
211:5, 211:11,
211:17, 212:5, 212:8,
212:9, 212:10,
212:13, 212:24,
213:4, 213:9, 213:16,
214:4, 214:25,
215:20, 217:8
people's [1] - 70:11
Pepco [2] - 164:12,
164:13
Pepsi [1] - 179:19
per [1] - 91:18
percent [9] - 86:4,
168:21, 195:17,
195:18, 204:20,
204:21, 208:2, 208:4,
208:5
percentage [1] 109:10
perception [1] 163:15
perfect [5] - 17:14,
17:16, 17:18, 48:17,
139:24
performance [1] 135:8
performed [1] 179:22
period [1] - 57:22
person [9] - 7:18,
9:23, 12:25, 13:1,
33:18, 153:1, 178:12,
187:14, 214:22
personal [7] - 9:22,
25:16, 52:15, 52:16,
93:17, 93:19, 144:19
personally [9] - 10:3,
99:4, 99:6, 123:13,
128:5, 188:22,
199:13, 208:17,
215:21
personnel [2] 137:24, 208:23
persons [1] - 11:14
perspective [1] 58:20
phase [1] - 78:16
phased [1] - 81:9
phone [14] - 9:13,
10:3, 10:5, 20:9,
92:12, 92:13, 92:15,
96:4, 100:11, 160:22,
163:8, 163:17, 174:5
phonetically [1] - 2:9
picked [2] - 22:20,
22:21
picks [1] - 22:25
picture [1] - 187:8
pie [1] - 28:5
piece [2] - 81:5,
207:19
pigeonholing [1] 171:8
pike [1] - 132:25
pilots [2] - 144:2,
161:19
pina [1] - 89:6
piss [1] - 63:4
pissed [3] - 95:10,
139:14, 184:8
pittance [1] - 143:24
place [9] - 3:3, 5:18,
9:1, 9:9, 14:2, 22:18,
126:8, 161:20, 196:24
placed [1] - 213:11
places [3] - 22:17,
22:25, 80:16
plain [2] - 155:5,
169:21
plan [1] - 31:7
planned [1] - 21:16
plans [1] - 138:3
plant [1] - 26:4
plate [1] - 147:14
platter [1] - 71:12
play [5] - 19:4, 100:8,
100:9, 105:16, 129:24
played [1] - 128:3
players [1] - 155:23
playing [3] - 70:10,
149:19, 153:10
plays [3] - 129:22,
129:25, 141:23
plea [1] - 206:14
pleaded [1] - 51:22
pleasant [1] - 178:8
pled [1] - 50:3
plenty [1] - 102:13
plus [1] - 150:9
pocket [8] - 80:11,
126:23, 130:20,
142:21, 145:15,
178:5, 189:22, 203:22
Point [3] - 90:20,
90:25, 93:25
point [35] - 35:14,
40:17, 42:14, 42:24,
48:17, 54:24, 55:2,
56:1, 56:3, 56:14,
56:22, 64:5, 64:6,
64:15, 82:2, 94:2,
113:22, 116:5, 129:7,
131:5, 134:5, 135:16,
159:14, 166:23,
166:24, 168:21,
169:10, 169:22,
169:25, 187:7, 190:5,
210:14, 212:23
point-blank [1] 35:14
pointed [3] - 39:2,
83:1, 175:1
pointing [1] - 78:14
points [5] - 42:1,
56:13, 64:14, 109:25,
168:19
poison [1] - 106:25
poleo [1] - 75:21
Poleo [10] - 71:22,
71:24, 72:15, 74:16,
75:9, 83:19, 83:25,
84:1
police [3] - 67:16,
67:19
policy [3] - 106:22,
132:16, 162:14
pool [4] - 37:9,
44:18, 86:19, 117:3
poor [12] - 15:23,
40:18, 41:9, 66:10,
68:23, 90:7, 129:11,
157:11, 179:24,
184:12, 184:24, 209:9
Poor [1] - 157:12
popping [1] - 23:6
port [2] - 171:23,
172:1
Portco [16] - 38:12,
38:14, 43:22, 55:9,
77:5, 92:10, 93:8,
104:4, 147:6, 153:11,
167:10, 168:5,
169:11, 171:21,
182:1, 182:2
position [3] - 76:15,
104:21
positions [1] - 84:10
possibility [1] - 71:7
possible [1] - 152:13
possibly [2] - 12:6,
178:1
potential [2] 111:20, 144:3
pounced [1] - 22:13
pounds [1] - 179:2
poured [1] - 179:2
power [3] - 204:4,
209:10, 211:5
practices [1] 171:18
practicing [1] - 140:6
preclude [1] - 166:13
precluded [3] 138:25, 162:4, 175:1
predicted [1] 154:15
prefer [1] - 131:3
preferred [3] - 130:8,
130:12, 131:10
preparing [1] - 45:9
presence [2] - 56:12,
114:16
present [12] - 38:7,
38:9, 38:12, 38:15,
38:19, 41:4, 41:15,
41:16, 41:22, 42:25,
80:5
presentation [8] 27:25, 28:3, 28:6,
28:22, 28:23, 40:18,
42:13, 128:14
presenting [2] 31:3, 42:17
press [2] - 44:8,
154:25
pressure [5] - 8:8,
8:11, 14:9, 103:24,
113:23
pretended [2] 194:21
pretending [1] - 9:15
pretty [32] - 48:10,
53:12, 55:25, 56:1,
59:8, 60:18, 61:18,
75:1, 76:20, 77:16,
77:23, 79:12, 83:1,
83:19, 90:17, 96:16,
96:22, 103:3, 120:16,
134:24, 139:14,
139:18, 161:11,
164:7, 165:1, 179:4,
182:25, 187:9,
198:14, 201:24,
209:12
priceless [1] - 96:2
PRIDE [49] - 30:10,
31:11, 32:1, 33:5,
45:2, 45:22, 46:15,
47:2, 64:25, 86:20,
122:6, 126:1, 127:4,
138:18, 138:19,
139:16, 139:17,
139:23, 141:8,
141:16, 142:1, 142:8,
142:24, 143:2, 143:4,
143:18, 144:11,
144:12, 146:15,
154:18, 154:22,
155:1, 156:22, 167:3,
185:10, 189:22,
190:1, 197:11,
197:12, 197:14,
202:19, 202:20,
207:13, 207:23,
208:16
PRIDE's [2] - 142:21,
145:15
principal [2] - 29:6,
30:1
principals [1] - 29:6
print [5] - 183:13,
183:14, 183:16,
183:23, 184:3
printed [2] - 167:10,
183:13
printing [1] - 183:15
priority [1] - 26:17
private [2] - 83:10,
211:23
probation [2] - 50:5,
19
145:7
problem [15] - 11:11,
16:25, 34:13, 43:7,
60:2, 74:14, 124:2,
145:19, 149:18,
155:15, 160:13,
161:3, 171:24, 176:3,
184:12
problematic [2] 161:1, 198:6
problems [3] 187:11, 190:2, 195:16
procedure [1] 42:18
process [6] - 108:6,
108:9, 111:19, 117:3,
118:4, 202:2
produce [2] - 37:20,
141:11
production [2] 141:9, 141:10
products [1] - 140:7
professional [2] 159:11, 180:18
profit [10] - 28:2,
30:25, 31:10, 137:17,
138:6, 138:14,
138:18, 138:19,
141:3, 141:12
program [21] - 86:16,
91:24, 119:24,
120:12, 120:20,
139:3, 139:5, 141:7,
145:8, 161:20,
161:21, 197:21,
203:2, 203:10,
203:17, 204:11,
204:24, 209:11,
211:10, 212:24, 214:6
project [14] - 34:17,
35:15, 57:14, 57:18,
61:8, 61:14, 91:21,
109:6, 109:16, 130:6,
134:12, 153:19,
181:22, 208:25
projects [3] - 44:19,
60:16, 134:7
promise [2] - 152:21,
153:2
promised [2] 139:15, 149:16
promises [2] 152:22, 209:13
promising [1] 152:18
promulgate [1] 194:17
pronounce [1] 91:15
proof [4] - 36:16,
44:10, 93:11, 164:6
proper [1] - 97:9
proposal [4] - 41:2,
43:12, 133:25, 168:12
proposals [4] - 42:7,
133:23, 134:8, 137:23
proprietary [5] 160:17, 160:20,
163:11, 163:16
prosecute [1] - 164:5
prosecuting [2] 164:3, 166:5
prosecution [1] 203:13
protecting [1] 126:13
proud [1] - 15:19
prove [14] - 33:24,
34:10, 36:12, 39:5,
68:10, 92:8, 103:3,
103:6, 103:8, 104:12,
104:14, 154:15,
154:20, 160:16
provide [1] - 10:14
provided [2] - 2:3,
94:4
provisions [1] 218:10
Public [1] - 218:24
pull [4] - 70:21,
143:14, 143:17,
176:25
pulled [4] - 51:23,
71:8, 72:15, 85:16
pulling [1] - 70:18
puppet [1] - 146:21
purpose [1] - 137:12
pursue [1] - 47:18
push [3] - 127:16,
154:13
pushback [1] - 82:20
pushed [1] - 135:8
put [35] - 9:18, 27:3,
30:15, 37:3, 39:7,
40:22, 47:3, 51:16,
53:23, 55:24, 58:10,
70:2, 73:25, 85:10,
90:23, 95:7, 125:10,
139:8, 140:20,
140:22, 142:17,
143:3, 145:7, 147:22,
161:20, 164:21,
165:12, 167:10,
172:19, 172:20,
194:22, 194:25,
196:21, 196:24
putting [5] - 28:19,
45:5, 54:18, 113:23,
134:5
Q
qualifications [1] 59:8
qualified [2] - 43:12,
170:7
qualify [1] - 15:2
quality [2] - 42:7,
138:3
quarter [1] - 49:15
questions [6] 12:23, 39:2, 44:25,
78:22, 83:2, 134:13
quick [3] - 64:14,
109:23, 110:7
quiet [10] - 25:10,
48:23, 51:9, 51:18,
70:5, 136:25, 137:1,
137:2, 202:13, 202:14
quit [2] - 53:3, 159:6
quite [1] - 42:8
R
radar [2] - 72:8, 86:5
raindrops [1] - 69:15
ran [3] - 63:21,
108:4, 207:4
range [1] - 170:8
rank [2] - 41:6, 41:25
ranking [1] - 41:14
Ransin [1] - 13:20
Rascals [1] - 90:12
rating [1] - 175:20
ratio [2] - 195:16,
213:6
RCL [1] - 163:6
reach [2] - 184:3,
216:18
react [1] - 8:7
reaction [1] - 79:13
read [14] - 7:16,
39:14, 39:15, 77:12,
121:11, 121:14,
121:23, 134:21,
145:5, 167:8, 167:11,
177:6, 179:16, 182:23
reading [2] - 127:3,
206:20
ready [4] - 38:10,
50:24, 123:16, 166:13
ReadyOne [2] 203:8, 204:13
real [11] - 5:23, 5:25,
22:5, 32:10, 35:11,
98:11, 98:12, 140:18,
148:11, 151:4
realize [3] - 52:10,
55:2, 153:20
realized [1] - 183:25
really [70] - 12:21,
12:22, 12:25, 15:1,
23:11, 23:17, 25:15,
26:7, 33:25, 43:11,
45:4, 48:2, 48:15,
60:12, 63:15, 64:3,
64:4, 65:10, 65:13,
65:24, 65:25, 66:8,
66:17, 66:18, 68:11,
70:10, 71:11, 76:6,
76:7, 76:12, 76:21,
79:5, 82:14, 86:25,
92:22, 93:10, 94:20,
106:6, 106:7, 111:12,
117:2, 120:24, 122:6,
123:18, 123:25,
124:15, 124:19,
128:9, 129:14,
132:21, 133:22,
142:15, 144:24,
151:10, 152:25,
157:23, 164:9,
168:12, 176:7,
177:18, 177:22,
177:23, 179:7, 185:6,
198:12, 204:11,
212:13, 213:10
reason [9] - 11:4,
41:3, 52:2, 57:9,
101:6, 135:3, 152:20,
197:20, 204:16
reasons [2] - 155:21,
159:16
recanting [1] 158:19
receiving [1] 154:18
recent [4] - 37:23,
45:22, 49:7, 49:8
recently [3] - 7:19,
14:4, 14:5
reception [2] - 92:16,
96:5
recognizes [2] 75:3, 75:4
recognizing [1] 20:24
recommend [2] 94:3, 145:7
recommendation [4]
- 90:24, 94:4, 94:17,
94:22
recompete [2] 113:20, 143:3
recompeted [2] 142:17, 143:17
reconsider [1] 115:7
record [11] - 35:4,
36:7, 36:25, 94:17,
112:2, 173:16, 197:4,
202:21
recordings [2] - 2:3,
218:6
recruit [1] - 48:5
red [2] - 189:1, 196:1
red-handed [1] 189:1
redneck [2] - 9:3,
187:24
rednecks [1] 154:11
redo [1] - 106:11
referring [1] - 138:16
reflecting [1] - 81:15
refused [3] - 144:23,
144:25, 147:18
regain [2] - 49:13,
54:13
regarding [6] 71:18, 91:20, 99:25,
100:17, 101:13,
181:21
regardless [1] 57:25
region [5] - 94:19,
95:12, 96:11, 120:1,
194:11
Region [3] - 99:25,
100:17, 101:13
regular [1] - 35:18
regularly [1] - 132:18
regulatory [1] 59:15
rehab [1] - 211:4
reimburse [3] - 73:3,
73:5
reimbursed [2] 74:1, 74:2
relate [1] - 193:8
related [6] - 4:23,
10:12, 132:17,
135:18, 218:12,
218:15
relationship [3] 128:9, 201:11, 216:7
relative [1] - 218:13
relatively [1] 209:17
release [4] - 154:25,
174:21, 174:22,
177:14
reliable [1] - 35:13
Relief [2] - 5:9, 120:7
relief [1] - 205:17
relying [1] - 132:4
remanded [1] - 71:2
remark [1] - 13:6
remember [15] 27:24, 31:6, 75:21,
20
108:20, 108:24,
116:1, 150:25,
154:22, 168:6, 181:1,
182:21, 193:13,
195:17, 196:11, 203:4
reminds [3] - 67:14,
67:15, 90:11
rep [1] - 159:11
report [25] - 48:22,
50:16, 50:17, 51:16,
51:20, 52:2, 52:3,
55:7, 55:11, 73:14,
78:10, 79:5, 79:11,
79:16, 82:11, 114:17,
114:19, 137:7,
175:25, 177:2,
190:16, 191:15,
194:24
REPORTER [1] 218:1
reporting [1] - 115:2
reports [1] - 140:22
representatives [1] 83:6
representing [1] 132:15
represents [1] 83:12
reprimanded [1] 158:20
repulsive [1] - 24:2
request [2] - 35:14,
177:16
require [4] - 32:16,
44:21, 90:2, 130:25
required [1] - 130:22
requirement [1] 37:14
requirements [3] 33:18, 34:22, 91:20
resend [1] - 98:15
reserves [1] - 208:23
resolved [1] - 74:25
resource [1] - 79:9
resourcechallenged [1] - 79:9
Resources [4] 33:10, 59:4, 78:19,
109:19
respect [4] - 15:1,
54:13, 94:22, 191:15
respectful [3] 18:16, 18:18, 18:20
respectfully [1] 94:14
respective [1] 210:20
respectively [1] 94:13
respond [5] - 136:13,
172:21, 216:21,
216:22
responded [1] 90:19
responding [1] 33:12
response [7] - 32:12,
35:15, 41:9, 60:14,
79:16, 91:22, 96:25
responsible [2] 131:21, 215:21
responsive [1] 78:21
rest [8] - 21:21,
47:10, 73:19, 77:15,
96:13, 162:25,
178:17, 185:25
restrictions [2] 164:21, 194:18
result [1] - 92:9
resume [1] - 206:6
reticent [1] - 17:10
retire [2] - 146:4,
208:10
retired [7] - 19:2,
60:23, 120:13,
122:12, 169:13,
184:15, 214:9
retirement [2] - 31:6,
146:4
retreat [1] - 215:17
return [1] - 182:7
reunion [1] - 19:5
revenue [2] - 207:10,
208:12
review [2] - 204:19,
204:20
reviewed [1] - 94:1
Rhonda [2] - 1:24,
218:24
Richmond [1] - 9:10
rid [6] - 9:16, 53:12,
53:17, 53:18, 212:18,
212:22
riddle [1] - 57:11
ride [1] - 8:24
ridiculous [1] 142:11
righteous [1] 165:15
rigmarole [1] 109:15
rip [1] - 109:14
risk [1] - 27:16
road [2] - 78:8,
189:12
Robel [3] - 91:15,
91:17, 99:4
Robinson [1] - 2:4
ROBINSON [948] -
3:2, 3:5, 3:7, 3:9,
3:12, 3:17, 3:19, 4:9,
4:11, 4:13, 4:16, 4:18,
4:20, 5:5, 5:12, 5:25,
6:4, 6:9, 6:14, 6:20,
7:2, 7:7, 7:9, 7:12,
7:17, 7:22, 8:1, 8:9,
8:12, 8:21, 10:11,
10:17, 10:25, 11:2,
11:6, 11:10, 11:16,
11:20, 11:23, 12:1,
12:8, 13:4, 13:12,
13:19, 13:23, 13:25,
14:4, 14:6, 14:8,
14:11, 14:14, 14:16,
14:19, 14:22, 15:4,
15:6, 15:8, 15:10,
15:14, 15:18, 15:22,
16:3, 16:7, 16:12,
16:16, 16:23, 16:25,
17:3, 17:8, 17:13,
17:15, 17:17, 17:19,
17:24, 18:1, 18:4,
18:6, 18:9, 18:12,
18:14, 18:17, 18:19,
18:21, 19:6, 20:2,
20:4, 20:7, 20:14,
20:19, 20:21, 20:23,
21:1, 21:4, 21:7,
21:13, 21:24, 22:2,
22:8, 22:12, 22:18,
22:20, 22:24, 23:2,
23:4, 23:7, 23:10,
23:13, 23:23, 23:25,
24:5, 24:7, 24:9,
24:13, 24:17, 25:5,
25:9, 25:13, 25:18,
25:25, 26:9, 26:12,
26:21, 27:2, 27:8,
27:10, 27:24, 28:19,
29:9, 29:16, 29:24,
30:7, 30:14, 30:17,
30:20, 31:2, 31:9,
31:13, 31:16, 31:20,
32:8, 32:19, 32:22,
32:24, 33:1, 33:3,
33:5, 33:7, 33:9,
33:22, 34:2, 34:7,
34:13, 34:24, 35:3,
35:6, 35:10, 35:19,
35:22, 35:24, 36:2,
36:11, 36:14, 36:18,
36:22, 37:2, 37:8,
37:12, 37:18, 37:24,
38:3, 38:6, 38:11,
38:14, 38:20, 38:23,
39:4, 39:18, 39:23,
40:7, 40:15, 40:24,
41:19, 42:10, 42:22,
44:7, 44:12, 44:17,
44:21, 44:25, 45:9,
45:13, 45:18, 45:20,
46:2, 46:11, 46:15,
46:21, 46:25, 47:13,
47:23, 48:8, 48:14,
48:25, 49:9, 49:11,
49:15, 49:21, 49:25,
50:3, 50:8, 50:14,
50:20, 51:5, 51:11,
51:15, 52:1, 52:6,
52:8, 52:13, 52:16,
52:18, 52:20, 53:4,
53:10, 54:2, 54:16,
54:22, 55:4, 55:7,
55:17, 55:22, 56:3,
56:7, 56:18, 56:25,
57:6, 57:12, 57:15,
57:20, 58:3, 58:6,
58:11, 58:19, 58:24,
59:4, 59:7, 59:14,
59:21, 59:23, 59:25,
60:4, 60:7, 60:12,
60:22, 61:2, 62:5,
62:7, 62:12, 62:16,
63:1, 63:6, 63:15,
63:20, 63:25, 64:23,
65:7, 65:22, 66:3,
66:5, 66:15, 66:17,
66:20, 66:22, 67:1,
67:4, 67:7, 67:10,
67:17, 67:21, 67:23,
68:6, 68:10, 68:14,
68:16, 68:22, 69:2,
69:5, 69:9, 69:14,
69:18, 69:24, 70:2,
70:9, 70:14, 70:21,
70:24, 71:2, 71:6,
71:10, 71:19, 71:24,
72:4, 72:7, 72:11,
72:20, 72:22, 72:24,
73:3, 73:9, 73:12,
73:17, 73:23, 74:3,
74:6, 74:8, 74:12,
74:23, 75:1, 75:8,
75:12, 75:18, 75:23,
76:1, 76:5, 76:9,
76:12, 76:17, 76:20,
76:22, 77:2, 77:6,
77:14, 78:2, 78:11,
79:20, 79:23, 80:4,
80:9, 80:12, 80:15,
80:18, 80:21, 81:1,
81:5, 81:9, 81:13,
81:17, 81:20, 81:22,
82:1, 82:4, 82:10,
82:14, 82:17, 82:24,
83:1, 83:7, 83:10,
83:14, 83:17, 83:22,
83:25, 84:3, 84:8,
84:12, 84:14, 84:20,
85:2, 85:4, 85:6,
85:14, 85:20, 85:24,
86:1, 86:11, 86:18,
86:22, 87:8, 87:11,
87:16, 87:24, 88:4,
88:7, 88:10, 88:14,
88:17, 88:19, 88:24,
89:8, 89:11, 89:17,
89:21, 89:25, 90:6,
90:13, 91:2, 91:18,
92:7, 92:19, 92:25,
93:5, 93:17, 93:21,
94:16, 95:9, 95:17,
95:19, 95:23, 97:3,
97:10, 97:13, 97:18,
97:20, 98:4, 98:7,
98:18, 98:23, 99:1,
99:5, 99:10, 99:17,
99:21, 100:7, 100:10,
100:25, 101:4, 101:9,
101:20, 102:1, 102:3,
102:7, 102:10,
102:13, 102:20,
103:2, 103:10,
103:13, 103:22,
104:2, 104:8, 104:12,
104:16, 104:19,
104:22, 105:3, 105:6,
105:8, 105:13,
105:19, 105:24,
106:4, 106:6, 106:11,
106:13, 106:21,
106:24, 107:3, 107:7,
107:10, 107:16,
107:22, 108:4, 108:8,
108:10, 108:16,
108:21, 109:2,
109:11, 109:18,
110:5, 110:18,
110:22, 111:1, 111:5,
111:9, 111:22, 112:5,
112:16, 112:21,
112:24, 113:4, 113:7,
113:13, 113:16,
113:21, 114:1, 114:4,
114:7, 114:10,
114:13, 114:22,
114:25, 115:5,
115:13, 115:15,
115:20, 115:22,
115:25, 116:6,
116:13, 116:17,
116:19, 116:23,
117:5, 117:11,
117:13, 117:15,
117:18, 117:22,
117:25, 118:7,
118:10, 118:12,
119:4, 119:7, 119:11,
119:16, 119:18,
119:23, 120:4, 120:6,
120:11, 120:15,
120:19, 120:22,
21
121:6, 121:9, 121:14,
121:17, 121:19,
121:21, 121:23,
122:8, 122:11,
122:14, 122:17,
122:22, 122:24,
123:23, 124:5, 124:8,
124:17, 124:22,
125:4, 125:9, 125:16,
125:20, 126:3,
126:11, 126:17,
126:19, 127:5, 127:7,
127:10, 127:12,
127:15, 127:19,
127:23, 128:12,
128:15, 128:19,
128:23, 128:25,
129:2, 129:8, 129:12,
129:15, 129:20,
129:24, 130:2, 130:8,
130:11, 130:13,
130:16, 130:21,
130:24, 131:1, 131:3,
131:8, 131:11,
131:17, 131:22,
132:1, 132:4, 132:8,
132:11, 133:1, 133:8,
133:10, 134:20,
135:2, 135:5, 135:14,
135:18, 135:22,
136:3, 136:9, 136:12,
136:15, 136:20,
136:24, 137:1,
137:10, 137:21,
138:13, 138:15,
139:8, 139:17,
139:21, 140:6, 140:9,
140:12, 140:14,
140:16, 140:18,
142:13, 143:13,
143:20, 144:5,
144:11, 144:13,
144:25, 145:4,
145:11, 145:14,
145:16, 145:25,
146:3, 146:10,
146:13, 146:19,
146:22, 146:24,
147:2, 147:4, 147:11,
147:16, 148:10,
148:13, 148:16,
149:8, 149:22,
150:21, 151:3,
151:11, 151:14,
151:18, 152:5,
152:10, 152:14,
152:19, 152:24,
153:14, 154:10,
155:4, 155:13,
155:20, 155:25,
156:2, 156:5, 156:14,
156:17, 156:21,
156:25, 157:3, 157:7,
157:12, 157:17,
157:21, 157:23,
158:1, 158:5, 158:7,
158:10, 158:14,
158:17, 158:24,
159:2, 159:6, 159:22,
159:24, 160:3, 160:8,
160:19, 161:6,
161:24, 162:16,
162:24, 163:22,
164:2, 164:14,
164:19, 165:10,
165:21, 166:19,
166:22, 167:2,
167:15, 167:19,
167:25, 168:2, 168:9,
168:17, 169:2, 169:5,
169:9, 169:24, 170:2,
170:10, 170:15,
170:25, 171:2,
171:10, 171:25,
172:2, 172:5, 172:8,
172:13, 172:16,
172:18, 172:24,
173:2, 173:4, 173:6,
173:12, 173:18,
173:21, 173:23,
174:8, 174:11,
174:13, 174:19,
174:22, 175:4, 175:6,
175:11, 175:17,
175:21, 176:2, 176:6,
176:10, 176:13,
176:17, 176:22,
177:6, 177:10,
177:15, 177:20,
177:22, 178:2, 178:9,
178:14, 178:16,
179:1, 179:3, 179:12,
179:17, 179:24,
180:2, 180:6, 180:9,
180:12, 180:23,
181:3, 181:6, 181:8,
181:10, 181:14,
181:17, 181:24,
182:4, 182:13,
182:22, 183:7,
183:18, 183:21,
184:1, 184:19,
184:23, 185:13,
185:18, 185:20,
185:22, 186:2, 186:6,
186:10, 186:13,
186:15, 186:18,
186:21, 186:25,
187:2, 187:7, 187:10,
187:14, 187:17,
187:20, 187:23,
188:2, 188:4, 188:6,
188:15, 188:19,
188:22, 188:25,
189:4, 189:8, 189:12,
189:15, 189:19,
190:4, 190:7, 190:13,
190:20, 190:23,
191:1, 191:4, 191:7,
191:11, 191:15,
191:22, 191:24,
192:7, 192:9, 192:12,
192:14, 192:18,
192:24, 193:2, 193:5,
193:10, 193:14,
193:18, 193:21,
194:1, 194:5, 194:8,
194:13, 194:24,
195:8, 195:11,
195:20, 195:24,
196:4, 196:7, 196:10,
196:13, 197:1, 197:8,
197:13, 197:18,
197:25, 198:4, 198:6,
198:8, 198:12,
198:17, 198:21,
198:23, 199:1, 199:4,
199:7, 199:9, 199:11,
199:14, 199:17,
199:20, 199:25,
200:6, 200:9, 200:16,
200:22, 201:1, 201:4,
201:14, 201:18,
201:21, 201:24,
202:3, 202:11,
202:15, 202:18,
202:22, 203:1, 203:4,
203:7, 203:17,
203:19, 203:24,
204:1, 204:4, 204:8,
204:15, 204:23,
205:1, 205:8, 205:11,
205:16, 205:22,
206:2, 206:5, 206:19,
206:22, 206:24,
207:2, 207:12,
207:16, 207:20,
207:22, 207:24,
208:2, 208:4, 208:7,
208:11, 208:14,
208:21, 209:3, 209:8,
210:4, 210:8, 210:20,
210:23, 211:1,
211:13, 211:19,
211:23, 212:7,
213:14, 213:18,
213:21, 213:24,
214:1, 214:3, 214:13,
214:19, 214:24,
215:4, 215:12,
215:15, 215:17,
215:23, 216:5,
216:10, 216:13,
216:15, 216:24,
217:3, 217:7
Rock [1] - 82:11
rocket [1] - 211:2
Rodas [2] - 180:3,
180:19
rodeo [1] - 182:17
rogue [1] - 147:16
rolling [1] - 65:20
Rome [1] - 81:25
room [11] - 4:4, 9:17,
10:18, 38:25, 40:24,
97:22, 178:12, 183:3,
211:8, 211:11, 213:19
ropes [1] - 15:14
rosy [1] - 131:14
rotated [1] - 30:14
rough [1] - 64:1
route [2] - 26:6, 26:7
routes [1] - 26:6
routine [1] - 146:7
Ruben [46] - 2:4,
7:24, 8:15, 11:20,
12:7, 12:10, 12:18,
16:14, 16:16, 20:3,
20:4, 32:14, 33:13,
33:20, 34:8, 36:3,
40:5, 42:13, 43:2,
43:3, 47:9, 73:23,
81:18, 87:9, 93:12,
100:3, 100:20,
101:16, 104:4, 105:1,
106:9, 108:4, 124:10,
133:21, 137:5,
151:23, 174:16,
178:12, 194:16,
196:23, 199:15,
206:10, 209:16,
212:12
Ruben's [2] - 8:13,
134:24
rule [15] - 132:15,
132:21, 133:8,
133:11, 135:10,
137:13, 137:14,
137:16, 138:10,
162:3, 162:9, 193:7,
193:8, 194:2
rules [8] - 38:14,
61:24, 77:21, 77:22,
78:7, 160:14, 166:14,
194:18
run [5] - 43:13,
57:18, 57:21, 159:14,
214:6
running [5] - 69:14,
144:8, 147:17,
157:17, 209:23
runs [1] - 82:2
rushing [1] - 135:23
Rutger [1] - 85:2
S
safety [3] - 125:22,
173:10, 202:21
Sam [2] - 119:21,
120:11
San [6] - 67:5, 72:15,
75:4, 108:25, 109:9,
182:16
sat [2] - 202:13,
213:18
Saturday [3] 115:18, 115:20, 150:4
saw [18] - 5:6, 6:23,
23:8, 23:18, 30:14,
39:18, 39:23, 62:22,
78:3, 78:22, 78:24,
95:14, 121:12,
122:25, 167:7, 167:9,
181:1, 209:14
scandal [1] - 203:9
scare [2] - 75:23,
215:23
scared [5] - 4:17,
4:18, 52:21, 181:11,
184:24
scheduled [1] 10:19
scheme [3] - 32:13,
32:14, 32:15
schemes [1] - 90:7
schmoly [1] - 46:19
school [3] - 122:3,
209:17, 209:19
scientists [1] - 211:2
scoring [1] - 41:6
Scott [1] - 218:24
SCOTT [1] - 218:3
screen [1] - 43:20
screened [1] - 117:5
screening [2] 107:8, 112:18
screw [3] - 141:18,
142:8, 213:5
screwed [1] - 153:3
SEAL [1] - 218:19
search [1] - 92:11
seat [3] - 37:3, 57:3,
57:7
second [4] - 31:24,
41:7, 179:5, 183:18
secret [15] - 32:12,
32:16, 32:20, 33:11,
33:15, 33:19, 34:17,
34:25, 37:5, 39:20,
40:1, 40:10, 44:19,
44:21, 45:16
secure [1] - 142:15
22
Security [1] - 172:7
security [23] - 35:14,
35:20, 86:9, 86:10,
87:3, 87:4, 87:6,
87:12, 87:21, 88:3,
88:12, 90:2, 91:20,
97:1, 106:19, 107:5,
112:14, 112:19,
117:2, 130:5, 130:18,
205:25
see [101] - 5:7, 8:18,
16:16, 16:23, 17:13,
17:17, 18:21, 23:7,
24:17, 25:1, 25:25,
26:19, 33:6, 37:15,
40:1, 40:2, 40:16,
43:17, 46:23, 50:2,
50:17, 70:12, 83:4,
90:16, 90:18, 91:8,
91:14, 92:14, 92:16,
92:25, 96:3, 96:7,
98:1, 99:1, 104:12,
107:20, 109:8,
110:13, 110:15,
110:18, 111:14,
116:13, 117:19,
121:15, 123:25,
124:25, 126:13,
131:24, 132:4,
135:12, 136:14,
136:16, 139:5, 139:9,
143:15, 144:17,
146:9, 146:23, 147:8,
147:9, 154:15,
158:10, 163:8,
170:15, 171:22,
172:2, 172:9, 173:4,
174:1, 174:4, 177:2,
177:4, 177:8, 177:13,
177:22, 177:23,
178:17, 178:18,
184:10, 184:12,
185:23, 187:8,
191:21, 192:25,
195:14, 198:16,
199:1, 209:22, 216:23
seeing [5] - 23:6,
26:10, 27:12, 93:7,
98:7
seem [5] - 82:5,
124:4, 126:20,
189:21, 191:19
selected [1] - 42:12
self [2] - 165:15,
214:24
self-interest [1] 214:24
self-righteous [1] 165:15
sell [1] - 178:25
send [14] - 33:22,
48:15, 90:14, 93:22,
112:12, 116:4, 122:5,
135:13, 135:15,
175:15, 177:11,
193:17, 193:19
sending [5] - 63:17,
109:3, 109:5, 129:11,
183:10
sends [1] - 93:21
senior [3] - 51:3,
71:14, 186:19
sensationalize [1] 60:25
sense [2] - 53:25,
54:1
sensitive [1] - 35:8
sent [19] - 44:4,
47:19, 51:12, 51:13,
61:22, 63:17, 64:7,
93:24, 96:10, 98:15,
99:10, 103:18,
136:17, 174:15,
174:24, 175:13,
177:3, 183:9
sentenced [2] - 50:4,
51:23
sentences [1] 78:14
sequestered [1] 69:10
serious [5] - 15:16,
69:17, 75:15, 182:25,
187:1
seriously [2] - 88:25,
115:3
seriousness [1] 70:7
sermon [1] - 148:21
serve [1] - 212:13
service [1] - 10:15
services [1] - 148:7
ServiceSource [10] 31:11, 32:2, 33:5,
45:2, 45:22, 45:23,
64:25, 85:15, 86:22,
86:23
serving [1] - 166:13
session [1] - 114:18
set [4] - 51:1, 86:4,
141:9, 194:19
setting [4] - 32:3,
45:6, 45:7, 137:15
settled [2] - 74:18,
128:4
settlement [3] 43:23, 43:24, 114:23
settlements [1] 111:23
seven [1] - 47:6
several [6] - 23:18,
23:20, 49:19, 56:14,
56:15
shake [1] - 120:19
sham [2] - 193:6,
212:14
shame [1] - 71:10
share [1] - 215:19
sheer [1] - 210:12
shell [1] - 29:22
shell-shocked [1] 29:22
sheltered [2] 212:18, 212:21
shenanigans [1] 128:3
shine [1] - 166:10
shining [1] - 166:9
shit [15] - 58:16,
65:10, 82:10, 105:1,
108:22, 110:22,
149:14, 150:10,
152:1, 172:18,
174:19, 180:13,
190:24, 191:16
shitty [2] - 133:22,
168:12
shocked [1] - 29:22
shoes [1] - 6:25
shop [1] - 164:25
shopped [1] - 161:9
shopping [1] 163:20
short [7] - 28:21,
40:23, 61:21, 94:12,
104:13, 141:13,
149:17
shortly [1] - 72:17
shot [1] - 117:9
shoulder [1] - 115:9
shoulders [1] 192:15
show [8] - 23:7, 23:8,
33:23, 77:9, 77:12,
134:14, 170:11, 214:3
showed [3] - 43:18,
144:17, 183:22
shows [3] - 34:13,
103:14
sHRM [1] - 78:19
SHRM [1] - 78:25
shut [1] - 84:25
shy [2] - 55:20, 99:12
side [2] - 85:7,
172:12
sight [2] - 53:6,
155:5
sign [5] - 141:14,
141:17, 142:16,
144:22, 145:5
signed [3] - 43:23,
116:2, 141:20
silence [3] - 201:15,
201:16
silly [1] - 90:10
SIM [2] - 169:2,
169:3
similar [1] - 162:9
simple [2] - 33:19,
177:9
sing [1] - 197:2
Singleton [1] 191:24
sit [5] - 66:11, 68:12,
89:5, 147:11, 166:22
site [2] - 46:23, 209:1
sitting [5] - 4:21,
142:19, 142:22,
142:25, 206:9
situation [8] - 14:13,
54:8, 67:15, 72:19,
195:6, 195:20, 202:4,
202:5
six [6] - 32:23, 109:3,
109:17, 139:17,
139:18, 147:24
sixth [1] - 109:4
Skookum [4] - 127:4,
139:18, 156:22,
197:14
slap [2] - 189:23,
199:23
slated [1] - 55:8
sleep [3] - 66:20,
110:6
sleeping [1] - 51:18
sleepless [3] - 88:20,
89:13, 89:16
sloppy [1] - 134:3
small [2] - 46:9,
86:19
smart [3] - 48:5,
66:13, 153:13
smartest [2] - 65:22,
178:12
smile [1] - 106:4
smiled [2] - 13:1,
102:11
smoking [1] - 37:19
snake [4] - 174:8,
174:9, 178:9, 215:15
sneaky [1] - 146:15
snout [1] - 53:3
Society [1] - 78:19
software [2] - 13:15,
74:6
solicit [1] - 165:17
solid [4] - 134:17,
134:20, 134:22,
159:25
someone [3] - 76:15,
131:20, 157:8
sometimes [12] 6:21, 8:10, 25:11,
89:8, 92:22, 137:10,
138:5, 148:22,
186:19, 201:3, 201:4,
201:5
somewhat [2] - 69:9,
71:10
somewhere [7] 4:10, 98:2, 121:8,
147:17, 193:22,
210:19, 217:4
son [2] - 120:16,
192:19
son-of-a-guns [1] 192:19
soon [3] - 21:8,
58:10, 212:11
sooner [1] - 212:4
sorry [12] - 6:12,
21:5, 74:13, 90:3,
90:4, 93:4, 93:20,
125:16, 127:13,
128:1, 179:24, 205:24
sort [7] - 51:8, 56:12,
82:8, 84:15, 120:15,
122:12, 127:20
sound [2] - 193:9,
193:11
sounds [1] - 74:17
SourceAmerica [6] 49:7, 49:17, 54:15,
57:24, 79:6, 88:16
speaker [2] - 27:3,
100:11
speaks [1] - 40:8
special [1] - 35:17
specific [1] - 106:22
specifically [1] 135:20
spectrum [1] - 89:3
spell [3] - 64:1,
93:23, 133:23
spelled [1] - 2:9
spelling [1] - 133:24
spent [3] - 188:8,
203:13
spiel [1] - 213:22
spilling [1] - 184:13
spin [1] - 195:21
spoken [1] - 171:14
sponsor [3] - 87:20,
87:22, 88:12
spot [1] - 168:22
spread [1] - 208:19
spring [3] - 147:21,
148:24, 150:4
Spurs [1] - 182:16
23
SSM [1] - 193:8
SSMs [1] - 47:3
St [9] - 57:13, 85:11,
87:2, 90:2, 91:21,
96:15, 106:15, 115:1,
130:6
stack [1] - 85:7
staff [7] - 49:2, 80:5,
127:6, 127:8, 142:19,
142:22, 166:4
stand [5] - 4:2,
29:20, 36:6, 55:6
standard [1] - 166:16
standing [2] - 36:25,
148:25
standoffish [1] - 6:1
stands [1] - 29:25
start [8] - 70:18,
105:8, 109:15,
115:16, 153:19,
162:3, 166:9, 208:24
started [18] - 12:19,
14:20, 29:2, 58:4,
58:5, 58:6, 59:2, 59:9,
108:12, 109:18,
109:19, 117:24,
118:2, 118:4, 165:5,
168:20, 169:18, 211:3
starting [2] - 31:9,
156:19
starts [4] - 29:25,
148:18, 161:21
STATE [1] - 218:2
state [2] - 71:3, 86:7
statement [5] 54:11, 91:14, 91:19,
92:2, 112:10
States [1] - 210:1
stating [1] - 93:18
station [2] - 61:4,
171:5
stay [5] - 16:20,
73:20, 107:4, 152:25,
212:25
stayed [3] - 4:10,
4:12, 183:24
steeple [1] - 148:5
steer [1] - 44:18
step [7] - 123:17,
138:24, 139:1, 139:2,
139:6, 139:9, 147:14
stepping [2] - 28:14,
56:21
Steve [4] - 60:9,
96:1, 170:23, 183:5
stewards [1] - 110:9
still [29] - 3:25, 6:20,
7:12, 50:15, 50:17,
53:7, 53:18, 58:1,
66:11, 68:12, 95:21,
103:16, 104:5,
107:11, 131:4, 150:6,
152:11, 152:12,
152:14, 157:9,
168:22, 173:16,
199:9, 205:23, 208:8,
208:20, 209:21,
209:23, 209:24
stinks [1] - 126:9
stock [1] - 29:14
stop [13] - 49:9,
159:9, 159:19,
184:21, 188:20,
191:5, 199:18, 200:3,
200:10, 200:11, 212:4
stopped [1] - 104:13
story [15] - 28:21,
35:23, 37:1, 55:15,
55:18, 60:22, 61:21,
78:20, 83:23, 94:8,
94:12, 116:8, 141:13,
149:17, 204:7
straight [5] - 52:21,
60:24, 105:16, 175:7,
198:15
strange [1] - 8:3
strangest [1] - 149:1
Strauss [1] - 205:12
street [5] - 122:20,
142:17, 143:4,
148:19, 206:7
stricter [1] - 195:5
string [2] - 39:19,
70:18
stringing [1] 152:14
strong [2] - 76:23,
78:6
stuck [1] - 28:16
stuff [61] - 6:7, 6:25,
15:10, 20:17, 24:19,
26:16, 46:16, 50:6,
50:10, 50:21, 55:24,
63:9, 63:16, 78:16,
78:23, 82:12, 91:4,
105:9, 108:11,
111:14, 112:6,
116:21, 119:23,
120:1, 120:2, 120:8,
120:12, 122:5, 123:6,
133:24, 134:1,
134:21, 138:22,
139:3, 139:4, 141:11,
144:2, 144:8, 146:15,
147:6, 150:3, 154:1,
154:20, 156:8,
158:18, 159:18,
160:4, 160:6, 170:18,
176:18, 176:23,
185:4, 192:2, 192:20,
194:20, 196:24,
197:2, 205:13, 208:23
stunt [1] - 88:23
stupid [11] - 9:16,
50:10, 62:24, 91:10,
92:23, 159:16,
159:18, 160:5,
163:12, 190:9, 216:15
stupidity [1] - 169:21
subject [3] - 14:24,
69:23, 218:10
submitted [2] - 42:4,
87:4
subpoena [2] 50:18, 50:20
subsidiaries [1] 194:18
subsidiary [5] 194:9, 195:15,
195:21, 196:17,
196:20
sudden [5] - 122:4,
122:15, 150:12,
176:25, 182:6
suddenly [1] - 86:5
sue [6] - 43:7, 43:8,
77:7, 77:19, 128:5,
199:12
sued [2] - 164:16,
199:13
suit [3] - 95:6,
111:19, 182:8
suitability [1] 134:14
suits [1] - 111:20
superficially [1] 15:3
superior [1] - 180:9
support [2] - 62:9,
91:24
supposed [20] 8:21, 18:24, 31:21,
44:5, 49:2, 62:17,
64:2, 64:9, 73:8, 97:6,
124:12, 138:25,
139:8, 150:25,
160:15, 213:1, 213:3,
213:8, 213:12, 214:5
supposedly [1] 138:17
surfaced [1] - 78:25
surprise [2] - 30:10,
30:21
surprised [5] - 10:6,
12:9, 26:13, 76:23,
134:23
surprises [1] - 91:7
suspect [1] - 65:18
sustain [1] - 43:16
sustenance [1] -
211:7
swallowed [2] 150:22, 151:4
synergy [1] - 94:19
system [4] - 41:6,
110:12, 185:1, 210:11
systematically [1] 56:21
systemic [1] - 116:21
T
table [6] - 9:19,
165:22, 166:2,
166:20, 211:8, 211:15
tablets [1] - 144:19
TACHE [1] - 27:5
tainted [1] - 76:14
taker [1] - 12:20
Talabad [1] - 119:7
talks [2] - 136:6,
178:13
tall [1] - 148:5
target [1] - 49:5
team [1] - 120:16
teamed [1] - 6:17
teasing [1] - 196:11
technicality [1] 18:7
temp [1] - 45:6
temporary [3] - 45:7,
158:22, 158:24
ten [5] - 18:25, 81:3,
203:7, 206:10, 217:8
tennis [1] - 6:25
tentative [1] - 5:25
tenth [3] - 17:20,
17:21, 18:3
tequila [1] - 178:22
Teresa [1] - 10:2
termination [3] 65:17, 94:3, 96:1
terms [2] - 62:14,
129:5
terrible [1] - 92:16
testify [2] - 69:7,
207:3
testifying [1] - 207:5
testosterone [3] 153:23, 169:21,
200:17
Texas [9] - 67:2,
67:3, 67:6, 172:3,
172:4, 179:21,
206:25, 207:1
TFM [5] - 12:22,
12:25, 47:1, 139:15
TFMs [1] - 197:15
thankfully [1] 201:10
theirs [1] - 148:18
themselves [3] 70:12, 161:9, 164:25
therefore [3] - 41:14,
109:10, 211:25
They've [1] - 3:3
they've [29] - 48:25,
50:5, 53:12, 53:17,
54:3, 57:1, 59:2, 59:9,
69:11, 69:14, 70:21,
81:22, 118:4, 119:23,
120:12, 120:19,
126:21, 136:13,
154:1, 155:7, 163:7,
191:12, 197:18,
197:19, 209:12,
212:1, 213:6
thick [1] - 94:7
thickest [1] - 64:19
thin [1] - 25:24
thinking [9] - 5:3,
7:4, 23:8, 50:11, 54:8,
75:14, 87:20, 161:18,
212:3
thinks [3] - 5:2,
149:22, 157:9
third [2] - 41:7, 75:3
Thomas [2] - 164:12,
164:13
Thompson [2] 125:11, 201:10
thousand [2] - 61:7,
68:18
threat [2] - 110:14,
153:17
threatened [1] 10:24
threatening [1] 11:21
three [19] - 2:3,
20:10, 21:10, 28:2,
29:5, 40:22, 78:14,
107:19, 125:7,
147:24, 148:7,
161:20, 182:5,
198:24, 206:13,
206:14, 209:1, 209:3,
218:6
throat [1] - 151:5
throw [3] - 98:2,
98:4, 208:23
throwing [2] - 215:7
thugs [1] - 68:23
Thursday [4] - 37:21,
90:16, 115:16, 115:17
tick [2] - 146:1, 146:3
tidbits [2] - 215:7,
215:8
tier [2] - 139:19,
139:20
24
tight [2] - 142:15,
152:25
tight-knit [1] 152:25
tightened [1] 138:17
tighter [1] - 202:2
Tina [24] - 71:25,
80:15, 94:2, 95:12,
95:14, 139:4, 144:7,
145:23, 147:4,
147:10, 148:10,
149:5, 149:6, 150:1,
150:14, 155:7,
167:17, 190:20,
194:21, 198:8,
203:24, 206:16,
213:14, 214:13
tina [2] - 145:24,
203:25
tired [1] - 121:2
title [1] - 59:17
today [8] - 51:16,
68:4, 92:20, 108:5,
173:16, 176:24,
181:25, 209:14
toe [3] - 39:10,
169:15
together [9] - 8:25,
40:22, 79:24, 86:4,
92:14, 151:23,
151:25, 174:6, 182:13
toilet [1] - 199:21
tomorrow [24] - 21:8,
22:2, 90:13, 107:19,
112:8, 115:11,
115:22, 117:22,
117:23, 118:1, 118:6,
123:23, 123:24,
124:25, 126:11,
170:22, 176:14,
180:24, 184:5, 184:6,
184:24, 193:3, 215:2
tongue [1] - 167:5
tonight [1] - 91:10
Tony [15] - 71:22,
71:24, 72:13, 72:15,
74:16, 74:19, 75:9,
77:4, 77:11, 77:25,
78:8, 83:25, 84:1,
192:3
took [13] - 31:17,
49:4, 53:16, 61:3,
61:8, 61:9, 61:10,
61:22, 128:16,
140:21, 144:20,
147:24, 155:16
tool [1] - 107:8
top [46] - 32:12,
32:16, 32:20, 33:11,
33:15, 33:19, 34:15,
34:17, 34:25, 35:14,
35:20, 36:10, 37:5,
39:20, 40:1, 40:10,
41:22, 41:23, 42:16,
44:19, 44:21, 45:16,
77:7, 86:9, 86:10,
87:2, 87:4, 87:6,
87:12, 87:21, 88:3,
88:12, 90:2, 106:19,
107:5, 112:14,
112:19, 117:2, 130:5,
130:17, 130:18,
132:2, 139:18,
197:15, 202:24,
207:16
top-secret [15] 32:12, 32:16, 32:20,
33:11, 33:15, 33:19,
34:17, 34:25, 37:5,
39:20, 40:1, 40:10,
44:19, 44:21, 45:16
topic [3] - 99:25,
100:17, 101:13
tortious [1] - 216:7
total [3] - 108:12,
137:25, 154:10
totally [7] - 16:4,
48:19, 126:22,
142:20, 142:21,
215:20
touch [1] - 49:1
touche [1] - 49:11
touched [3] - 10:24,
14:24, 80:14
tough [6] - 81:17,
81:18, 81:20, 156:17,
182:19
town [1] - 4:10
TR [1] - 144:15
tracking [1] - 50:25
trading [1] - 161:2
trail [1] - 65:3
trailer [1] - 45:14
trailers [1] - 45:14
trails [1] - 101:5
train [2] - 127:1,
209:4
trained [2] - 69:22,
213:1
Transcribed [1] 1:24
transcribed [1] 218:5
transcript [3] 218:8, 218:9, 218:11
TRANSCRIPTION [1]
- 1:5
transcription [3] 2:6, 19:9, 118:13
Transcription [3] 3:1, 119:1, 217:10
transparency [1] 78:15
travel [1] - 73:21
traveled [1] - 128:17
treated [1] - 150:10
trees [1] - 89:3
trial [1] - 207:3
tried [9] - 39:12,
94:25, 108:24,
125:15, 125:17,
183:13, 183:15,
192:1, 202:8
tries [1] - 90:7
trip [2] - 21:16, 177:1
tripped [1] - 31:5
troops [1] - 57:1
trouble [3] - 51:19,
140:21
true [26] - 16:22,
22:15, 33:16, 41:13,
48:10, 49:24, 50:1,
64:16, 71:5, 137:22,
158:25, 162:22,
166:19, 167:12,
184:13, 186:4, 186:5,
188:3, 214:9, 218:8
trust [3] - 140:1,
153:1, 179:3
trusted [1] - 65:25
truth [13] - 33:20,
39:13, 40:20, 52:22,
55:21, 69:21, 69:22,
89:24, 105:21,
123:11, 137:6, 207:7
truthfulness [1] 99:15
try [8] - 14:9, 17:6,
60:24, 112:2, 112:7,
139:10, 139:11, 179:6
trying [66] - 6:9,
15:19, 16:21, 26:15,
36:9, 37:16, 39:20,
40:11, 40:12, 43:20,
44:15, 51:12, 75:23,
77:19, 78:4, 79:8,
90:20, 90:21, 92:5,
93:25, 94:14, 97:11,
98:1, 98:16, 100:2,
100:4, 100:21, 101:5,
101:15, 101:17,
101:21, 102:16,
103:11, 103:12,
103:13, 105:9,
110:23, 123:1, 126:7,
137:18, 153:18,
153:19, 155:8,
157:12, 158:11,
163:1, 173:24,
174:20, 176:19,
179:14, 184:3, 185:6,
186:25, 189:5,
189:15, 198:21,
198:23, 210:23,
214:3, 214:5, 214:7,
214:11, 214:13, 216:6
TTC [5] - 132:6,
132:8, 137:24, 138:9,
194:17
TTCC [2] - 135:9,
197:6
tune [1] - 197:2
turd [1] - 41:7
turn [8] - 36:3, 63:9,
66:23, 150:13, 185:2,
185:7, 188:15, 188:17
turned [5] - 5:4,
43:11, 64:8, 131:7,
168:12
Turner [8] - 26:25,
28:9, 29:7, 30:1, 30:5,
30:11, 31:22, 70:16
turner [1] - 30:14
turning [6] - 126:5,
184:16, 184:17,
207:7, 207:8, 208:15
turns [3] - 38:11,
67:19, 120:24
TV [2] - 23:7, 23:8
twice [1] - 75:20
two [32] - 9:7, 21:15,
28:3, 28:24, 32:24,
32:25, 33:1, 38:10,
38:17, 38:18, 45:1,
46:6, 47:4, 47:5,
78:14, 82:23, 83:4,
85:22, 85:23, 107:19,
125:10, 125:18,
128:1, 139:9, 162:4,
166:14, 173:9, 179:2,
183:15, 200:19, 209:3
two-and-a-half [2] 9:7
typos [1] - 94:21
U
ugly [1] - 212:11
um-hmm [6] - 5:11,
23:4, 90:6, 155:6,
198:17, 208:11
Um-hmm [1] - 140:9
uncomfortable [4] 14:25, 15:16, 35:11,
183:8
under [5] - 8:7,
48:19, 80:8, 164:21,
175:22
Underhill [6] - 50:3,
50:7, 50:12, 51:11,
51:21, 52:20
understandable [1] 88:3
understood [3] 14:23, 110:7, 151:25
unethical [6] 164:24, 165:16,
165:18, 171:18,
180:18, 202:23
unfairness [2] 106:25, 136:7
unfortunate [1] 68:11
unfortunately [3] 84:12, 119:15, 188:19
unheard [3] - 87:22,
88:11, 88:13
unintelligible [9] 2:5, 13:2, 60:13,
153:17, 154:17,
160:9, 171:19,
179:22, 180:16
Unintelligible [2] 180:11, 180:22
unintelligible) [20] 4:1, 4:3, 16:5, 17:5,
73:25, 92:21, 126:3,
139:21, 142:18,
153:15, 158:18,
174:2, 179:9, 179:18,
179:23, 180:5,
181:19, 181:22,
206:4, 215:1
United [1] - 210:1
university [1] 211:16
unless [5] - 86:9,
88:2, 155:20, 164:5,
187:4
unnoticed [1] - 153:4
unpaid [2] - 21:20,
21:22
unprecedented [1] 204:23
unrelated [1] 194:15
unwilling [1] - 143:4
up [94] - 3:14, 5:22,
6:13, 6:18, 8:13, 9:9,
9:10, 17:24, 18:12,
18:23, 19:4, 22:16,
23:6, 24:24, 25:1,
25:9, 28:14, 28:21,
28:22, 29:10, 29:20,
29:24, 29:25, 32:3,
33:14, 35:24, 39:24,
40:8, 43:10, 45:6,
45:7, 46:7, 46:10,
49:22, 50:24, 51:24,
25
58:21, 61:6, 62:18,
66:9, 73:10, 81:2,
86:8, 90:6, 94:10,
94:25, 101:2, 102:17,
102:18, 105:9, 106:8,
109:22, 120:22,
121:4, 122:2, 122:20,
124:9, 125:7, 133:8,
138:17, 141:6, 141:9,
142:14, 142:23,
147:14, 149:14,
152:3, 154:1, 157:25,
159:7, 159:10,
163:10, 164:23,
165:13, 165:15,
165:24, 166:3, 175:7,
176:20, 176:25,
177:24, 181:24,
194:19, 195:5, 201:7,
201:24, 206:24,
207:5, 213:1, 213:5,
213:21, 215:22
update [2] - 48:23,
51:8
updates [2] - 93:22,
96:17
ups [1] - 175:2
upset [4] - 11:6,
11:7, 124:19, 154:11
upsetting [1] - 154:3
upstairs [1] - 85:9
upstanding [2] 60:8, 61:18
urge [1] - 37:16
utilize [1] - 137:25
V
vacation [2] - 20:11,
21:10
Valerie [1] - 51:23
variety [1] - 35:18
Vegas [2] - 74:18,
74:24
vehicle [1] - 82:7
vendors [1] - 140:10
veteran [3] - 29:4,
29:13, 29:21
veteran-owned [1] 29:13
veterans [2] - 28:4,
29:12
via [2] - 111:2,
112:19
victim [1] - 55:16
Vince [1] - 82:15
violated [1] - 114:23
violating [2] - 61:23,
77:20
Virginia [1] - 84:24
visit [1] - 148:23
vocal [1] - 76:20
voice [2] - 183:3,
183:18
voicemail [3] - 39:7,
90:17, 132:20
voices [1] - 2:2
Volayho [1] - 83:24
volunteer [1] 150:15
vote [3] - 24:22,
48:3, 48:8
voting [1] - 24:21
Voyager [1] - 14:13
W
waffled [1] - 131:7
waffling [1] - 124:4
wait [13] - 73:3,
87:20, 89:20, 113:7,
113:10, 113:11,
114:14, 139:5,
165:14, 179:6, 181:5
waiting [11] - 35:2,
36:9, 39:6, 42:15,
58:14, 91:13, 107:21,
112:5, 112:12,
112:15, 174:20
wake [1] - 29:10
Walker [2] - 180:9,
180:19
walking [4] - 82:8,
122:19, 171:7, 183:3
wants [14] - 71:13,
76:18, 80:16, 87:21,
98:20, 105:19, 142:9,
142:24, 146:5, 146:6,
146:8, 158:10, 181:6,
214:19
warmth [1] - 95:22
warts [1] - 169:18
washes [1] - 76:4
waste [1] - 167:19
watch [2] - 7:12, 7:13
watching [2] - 16:18,
216:23
water [1] - 37:1
waves [2] - 76:13,
152:7
ways [1] - 202:23
Wednesday [3] 102:14, 115:13,
115:16
week [7] - 8:22,
17:11, 20:15, 47:2,
109:21, 110:8, 184:20
weekend [2] - 96:13,
150:1
weeks [6] - 20:10,
21:10, 28:8, 91:12,
107:19, 161:21
weight [1] - 41:25
weird [15] - 5:6,
140:2, 151:23,
151:24, 175:22,
175:23, 176:8,
176:20, 178:2, 178:3,
178:16, 178:19,
178:20, 178:22,
183:14
weirder [1] - 177:24
weirdest [2] - 149:1,
159:13
welcome [1] - 95:15
West [10] - 90:20,
90:25, 93:25, 95:15,
119:8, 142:4, 142:5,
194:10, 197:9, 197:10
wet [1] - 69:15
wheelhouse [1] 79:3
whistle [8] - 60:10,
60:13, 60:14, 61:12,
61:13, 63:8, 68:16,
172:20
whistleblower [9] 60:20, 62:23, 65:24,
68:4, 139:25, 170:21,
176:15, 179:13,
181:18
whistles [1] - 140:9
white [4] - 169:13,
198:15, 209:9, 214:9
whole [25] - 35:7,
54:8, 83:22, 83:23,
94:8, 104:19, 106:2,
112:18, 113:21,
116:7, 126:8, 127:20,
134:15, 140:22,
146:10, 154:3,
156:13, 194:2,
195:14, 203:8,
203:13, 212:25,
213:18, 214:6, 215:22
wide [1] - 195:17
wife [6] - 5:6, 5:21,
6:3, 7:23, 8:3, 63:22
William [1] - 195:2
Williams [4] - 68:25,
127:14, 167:22,
198:11
willing [8] - 27:21,
38:18, 87:22, 143:5,
143:6, 143:9, 143:10,
166:25
win [11] - 20:21,
20:23, 70:4, 163:22,
164:16, 165:18,
169:19, 169:22,
170:7, 179:7, 192:6
Windbush [1] 70:17
window [1] - 196:21
wine [1] - 165:24
wise [2] - 72:18, 83:2
WITNESS [1] 218:19
witnesses [2] - 55:9,
216:9
woefully [1] - 69:25
woke [1] - 215:22
woman [4] - 95:11,
152:2, 153:25, 178:8
women [1] - 210:6
won [1] - 200:23
wonder [3] - 73:23,
73:25, 172:11
wondered [1] - 47:9
wonderful [4] - 28:4,
29:11, 56:6
wondering [7] 46:15, 115:5, 115:7,
128:8, 129:19,
140:11, 140:17
wood [1] - 159:12
Woods [5] - 47:20,
48:2, 64:13, 160:11,
161:8
Woods's [1] - 163:6
words [5] - 2:6,
12:11, 30:22, 75:10,
127:16
works [7] - 41:24,
60:9, 140:6, 148:17,
158:4, 158:6, 185:2
workshop [1] 212:21
workshops [1] 212:18
world [6] - 64:19,
154:24, 210:18,
212:1, 213:2, 213:11
worried [4] - 3:13,
6:22, 80:19, 211:6
worry [2] - 22:11,
74:19
worse [6] - 6:6,
49:23, 78:17, 105:10,
126:24
worth [5] - 48:11,
93:1, 96:5, 96:6,
179:6
wounded [1] - 29:4
wow [24] - 21:12,
23:9, 29:8, 30:6,
48:13, 65:21, 92:24,
100:24, 102:5, 148:9,
151:13, 167:14,
172:23, 179:22,
180:5, 185:12,
187:22, 205:15,
210:3, 210:7, 210:22,
214:23
Wright [2] - 95:12,
95:14
write [18] - 65:7,
65:8, 67:8, 93:23,
98:17, 104:2, 111:15,
123:8, 134:8, 137:23,
144:21, 149:10,
149:24, 165:4,
184:16, 185:7,
188:10, 188:11
writes [5] - 12:17,
42:8, 163:1, 163:2,
164:20
writing [6] - 34:2,
56:4, 90:23, 95:7,
108:22, 142:14
written [4] - 29:2,
42:14, 199:4, 217:3
wrote [24] - 7:16,
21:15, 65:16, 71:17,
71:20, 78:6, 90:16,
91:14, 91:15, 94:12,
121:9, 142:15,
144:17, 144:20,
160:9, 163:5, 164:2,
165:25, 181:14,
181:18, 200:12,
200:13
Y
yards [4] - 104:19,
106:2, 140:22, 154:3
year [9] - 20:12,
155:17, 190:1, 205:2,
207:19, 208:3, 211:17
years [15] - 18:25,
19:4, 22:22, 56:14,
56:15, 122:2, 154:1,
161:3, 162:5, 166:14,
203:7, 206:10,
206:13, 206:14,
209:22
yesterday [4] 100:1, 100:18,
101:14, 128:7
York [2] - 46:7, 54:9
young [2] - 18:13,
209:17
yourself [3] - 61:13,
95:6, 138:7
Yurnell [1] - 162:12
Z
Zeich [1] - 59:21