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U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
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BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO & FIREARMS
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9 1 1 TAPE #20
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CHANNEL 19-20
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02/29/93
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5:36 A.M. - 6:38 A.M.
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TRANSCRIBED BY:
V i v i a n Pena
iHJS DOCUMENT HAS BEEN PRODUCED IN CCMH.lAfcCt «, ..RULE 1 6 , FEDERAL RULES OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE, AND
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(Tape 20 - Side A)
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LARRY:
Let see, here.
Hold on.
That's
the road side, right.
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WAYNE: Right.
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LARRY:
Okay.
All they're doing is justing
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changing out their, ah, their troops. No aggressive
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action will be taken. We've talked about that.
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(PAUSE)
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little antsy.
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Check with your people.
WAYNE:
They're getting a
No. They're (inaudible) aiming
their weapons up in the air (inaudible)
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LARRY:
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are getting a little antsy.
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be, you know, aggressive towards you.
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WAYNE:
Well, they could.
But, your folks
They have no reason to
We still have the children and we
want to get them out.
LARRY:
Yeah.
But, you know, you've ah,
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you've not, ah, you've not done anything in the past
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4 hours. Are they ready.
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WAYNE:
I don't know, but I'm I'm
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LARRY:
Let's let's work on it, okay.
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Let's work on this and, ah, try to get, ah, you know
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we're not, ah, we're not able to communicate with
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David or Steve, and, uhm, you know, when we work it
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together you and I, it worked out.
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advise if you would.
So, check and
I need your help in order to
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bring these kids out of there safely.
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WAYNE:
I'll check.
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LARRY:
Okay.
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Come back to me okay.
I'll
stand-by right here.
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(PAUSE - 16 MINUTES)
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(BACKGROUND NOISE - INAUDIBLE)
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LARRY:
Wayne. Are you there?
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WAYNE:
Right here.
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LARRY:
Okay.
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WAYNE: Tired.
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LARRY:
Okay.
How are you doing?
Have you heard anything
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about what they're planning to do as far as getting
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the kids out.
You know, we're in the second day.
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WAYNE: We would like to see some daylight.
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LARRY:
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Should be getting fairly light out
there, should it.
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WAYNE:
Yeah, well except for the cloudy
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LARRY:
Yeah.
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WAYNE:
No, I don't think so.
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LARRY:
Okay. (PAUSE)
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WAYNE: Just damp.
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LARRY:
18 weather.
Is it raining out there.
Is it cold?
Hold on just a minute.
Did ya
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ever, did ya ever have a meeting to decide what
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you're gonna do with the kids. How we're gonna bring
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them out. Wayne.
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WAYNE:
I'm waiting for ah, for a report.
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LARRY:
You haven't received that yet.
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WAYNE:
No, I haven't received it yet.
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LARRY:
Okay.
Is there anyway you can kind
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of expedite that.
(PAUSE) Is there?
Wayne, is there
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anyway that we can possible expedite that report and,
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uhm, let us start making some arrangements. Are you
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there, Wayne?
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WAYNE:
I'm here.
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LARRY:
Okay.
WAYNE:
You're pretty close to, ah, an idea
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I s t h e r e anyway t h a t you can
do that.
I heard on the radio.
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LARRY:
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WAYNE: Yeap.
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LARRY:
Okay, and what is that?
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WAYNE:
It sounded like, ah, sounded like
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You heard an idea on the radio.
David wanted to wait for daylight.
LARRY:
Sounded like David wanted to wait
for daylight.
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WAYNE:
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it right or not.
I don't know if the reporters got
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LARRY: Okay.
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WAYNE:
We're close.
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LARRY:
Okay.
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WAYNE: Yeah.
Is it on, ah, 10 80 KRLD.
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LARRY:
Okay.
So you think it, you think
what he, David was asking for was daylight then.
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WAYNE:
Sounded like it.
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LARRY:
Sounded like it.
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WAYNE:
I mean it was a reporter.
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LARRY:
Uh hun.
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WAYNE:
Saying that's what Steve and David
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wanted, I don't know how much the reporter knows. I
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mean, ah,
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LARRY:
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talking with the reporter.
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WAYNE:
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Could you hear David's voice
Ah, no.
The reporter talking to,
ah, talk show host.
LARRY:
Talk show host.
(PAUSE)
Let's
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let's work on this deal. What do you want to do
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about the kids. How do you want to handle this.
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Same as we did before.
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WAYNE:
The best way.
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LARRY:
Okay.
The very best way.
It worked out well when we,
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when you and Byron were moving those kids out, right.
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You know, nobody was hurt, the kids got out, they're
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being well cared for.
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try and do it again. (PAUSE)
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WAYNE:
Is that the way you want to
It would be safer with a little
lighter out.
LARRY:
That would get in during during the
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evening hours, remember.
All-all the kids that left-
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left during the evening hours.
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problem.
There wasn't any
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WAYNE: Ah, there was a problem.
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LARRY:
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WAYNE: Ah, the (INAUDIBLE) moving around
What kind of problem?
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and didn't know where it was, ah, they didn't know
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how to meet the car. All of that would have been
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easier with a little daylight.
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LARRY:
Well, that we decided to do it, you
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know, in the evening hours. That was, that was your
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again, your decision.
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WAYNE:
(INAUDIBLE)
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LARRY: Okay. (PAUSE)
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WAYNE: Okay.
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LARRY: Alright.
Stand-by okay.
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(PAUSE - 7 MINUTES)
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(BACKGROUND NOISE)
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BYRON:
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WAYNE: Yeah.
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BYRON:
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Hello, Wayne.
Wayne, this is Byron Sage. How are
you doing.
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WAYNE: Fine.
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BYRON:
Okay. Ah, Larry said that, ah, he
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had talked to you a little earlier and that, ah, he
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had mentioned something about it was, it was your
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impression from a, newscast or something, that, ah,
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David wanted to wait until daylight before we started
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working on, ah, continuing these, ah
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WAYNE:
I got a, I just got a progress
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BYRON:
Oh good.
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WAYNE: And, ah, apparently there is an
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report.
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agreement with, ah, Jim Cavanugh that ah, he was
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going to go and get some rest and that they would,
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ah, resume negotiations with David later.
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BYRON:
Very good.
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WAYNE:
That had reach some agreement to,
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ah, to delay.
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BYRON: Okay.
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WAYNE:
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BYRON: Okay.
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WAYNE: Okay.
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BYRON:
It wasn't unilateral.
Alright.
I'll check with, ah, with
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our people, with the CP. We got them back on the
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line and, ah, I'll just, ah, be on the line here if
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You doing okay.
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WAYNE: Yeah, go ahead.
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BYRON:
Okay.
I'll just stay on the line
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here, ah, in case you need anything and I'll touch
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base with, ah, with the Command Post to see if they
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have kind of a, of an idea as to a timeframe.
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WAYNE:
Alright.
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BYRON:
Alright.
What we want to do is,
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ah, just like you and I worked out before, we just
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want to establish a, a mutually agreeable safe
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transition getting the, ah, getting the people out of
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there without any, ah, any threat level to anyone.
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Okay, so I'll be back in touch with you in just a
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little bit.
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WAYNE:
Okay.
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BYRON:
Okay, Wayne.
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(PAUSE - 2 MINUTES)
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(BACKGROUND NOISE - INAUDIBLE)
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(The End of Tape 20 - Side A)
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(Tape 20 - Side B)
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(PAUSE - 22 MINUTES)
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(BACKGROUND NOISE - INAUDIBLE)
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BYRON:
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE SPEAKER:
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Hey Wayne. Wayne, are you there.
He'll be right
back.
BYRON:
Okay, thanks.
Is this Greg?
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(PAUSE - 5 MINUTES)
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(BACKGROUND NOISE - INAUDIBLE)
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BYRON:
Hey Wayne, are you back yet?
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WAYNE: Byron.
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BYRON:
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WAYNE: Yes.
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BYRON:
Hello, Wayne.
Hi, Wayne.
Yeah, this is Byron.
Ah, we got
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some, uhm, some sketchy information from the CP that,
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ah, apparently, uhm, there's some preliminary
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information regarding the identity of the next 2 kids
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to be brought, ah, out. Do you have any information
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on that, and, and, how can we start working on it to,
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ah, make it go smoothly.
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WAYNE: Sounds like they're working on it.
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BYRON: Okay.
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WAYNE:
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BYRON: Okay.
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WAYNE: We'll let you know before they
Go with the flow.
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reach the door.
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BYRON:
Okay, Wayne, we would also like t o ,
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ah, if you can, keep us posted as to, you know, what
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type of plan so that we can coordinate and make sure
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that, ah, that everybody on the perimeter knows and
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it can go just as smoothly as possible.
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get it going, like you and I had it going last
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evening, then we can just bring this thing to a, to a
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smooth, safe, orderly, conclusion without, ah, any
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problems.
If w e can
Okay.
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WAYNE:
Oh, there is one problem.
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BYRON:
What is that.
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WAYNE:
I don't think that they're gonna
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want to open that door if, ah, if the snipers have
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there weapons trained down on that door.
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BYRON:
Okay.
I don't think that that's
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the situation, but I'll pass along your concern to
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the, ah, to the CP, okay.
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now.
I'll pass that on right
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(PAUSE - 1 MINUTE)
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(BACKGROUND NOISE - INAUDIBLE)
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BYRON:
Hello, Wayne.
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WAYNE:
Yo.
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BYRON:
Yeah, this is Byron.
The CP's
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gotten back and said that, ah, you don't have
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anything to be concerned of there.
There's not gonna
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be any type of, of, that type of attention focus on
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you or anybody in the house, okay.
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WAYNE:
Well, we don't want some to get
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BYRON:
That's right.
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WAYNE:
Have CP to make sure, he, ah, talks
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nervous.
to those guys.
BYRON:
Okay.
We just finished talking to
the CP and he's ah, he, I'm sure has relayed that
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over to, ah, is Dave, ah, DK, is he on the line with
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anybody now or is it Steve that's talking to them.
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WAYNE:
I don't know which one it is.
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BYRON:
Okay.
Well, we'll make sure that
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they pass it on over there as well.
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to get back to you and tell you that that's not a
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concern, okay.
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you, but it's not valid.
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be a situation here.
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WAYNE:
But, ah, I want
I mean I realize it's a concern to
It's not a, it's not gonna
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