Forum Comment doi: 10.1130/G36757C.1 Glacial cirques and the relationship between equilibrium line altitudes and mountain range height Jörg Robl1, Günther Prasicek2, Stefan Hergarten3, and 1 Bernhard Salcher 1 University of Salzburg, Geography and Geology, 5020 Salzburg, Austria University of Salzburg, Geoinformatics, Z_GIS, 5020 Salzburg, Austria 3 University of Freiburg, Earth and Environmental Sciences, 79085 Freiburg, Germany 2 The effects of climate variations on the evolution of orogens (e.g., Champagnac et al., 2012; Molnar and England, 1990; Montgomery et al., 2001) and, more specifically, of a climatically induced glacial buzz-saw on mountain height and relief (e.g., Brozović et al., 1997; Egholm et al., 2009; Mitchell and Montgomery, 2006) have been widely discussed in the geosciences. Most recently, Mitchell and Humphries (2014) presented a global dataset of 14,000 ice-free cirques. By analyzing this compilation, the authors discovered that the elevations of ice-free cirque floors worldwide correspond to the Quaternary average east Pacific equilibrium line altitude (QAEP-ELA) and that the altitude of the highest peak within the upstream drainage area of the cirque outlet is closely related to cirque floor elevation. While such spatially extensive investigations are much needed to feed the discussion about climatic and tectonic controls on mountain height, and to improve the understanding of the processes involved in the evolution of orogens, we believe that the major conclusions by Mitchell and Humphries are weakened by some important issues apparent in their analysis. Mitchell and Humphries filter the cirque floor data based on ELA constraints to show that cirque elevation correlates with the ELA. This seems to be a circular argument. First, they sample only ice-free cirques, omitting all cirques above the modern snowline. Second, they define the QAEP-ELA as the midpoint between the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) ELA (approximated by the LGM East Pacific snowline; Porter, 1989) and the modern ELA. As the highest ice-free cirques have to be located below the modern ELA, and the lowest cirques must be found at or above the lowest Pleistocene ELA (i.e., the LGM ELA), all collected cirque floor elevations must fall into the range between these two ELAs. This results in a data set of cirque floor elevations bracketed by the modern ELA and the LGM ELA—the reference levels used for defining the QAEP-ELA in the first place. Consequently, the correlation between the cirque floor elevations and the QAEP-ELA presented in Mitchell and Humphries’ figures 2A and 2B is an inevitable artifact of the chosen approach. Furthermore, the methodology excludes all peaks within the drainage area of ice-covered cirques; i.e., not only the highest peaks, but also extensive parts of the most glaciated alpine areas worldwide (e.g., the Alaska Range and Saint Elias Mountains [Alaska], the Tien-Shan [China], and the Himalaya). Hence, a general relationship between ELAs and mountain-range height, as stressed in the title, can hardly be inferred from this data set. Peaks within the drainage area of the investigated cirques are reported to be closely related to the QAEP-ELA as well, as they tower an average of 346 ± 107 m above the respective cirque floors (Mitchell and Humphries’ figure 2C). The relation between cirque and peak elevation can be explained by either (1) glacial erosion limiting the post-glacial relief, i.e., by glacially driven head-wall retreat limiting cirque relief (Anders et al., 2010), or (2) glacial erosion being related to the preglacial relief in the sense that certain drainage areas and topographic gradients are needed to enable ice flow sufficient for an erosive glacier (e.g., Benn and Lehmkuhl, 2000; Egholm et al., 2011; Pedersen et al., 2014). While both alternatives likely influence the evolution of glacial cirques, Mitchell and Humphries prefer explanation (1) and neglect the established understanding of the physical processes involved in glacial erosion leading to alternative (2). They reason that, in the case of explanation (2), precipitation rates would control the accumulation area needed to develop an erosive glacier and hence must relate to cirque wall relief. Such a correlation was not found in a previous study performed in the Swiss Alps where one of the present authors was involved (Anders et al., 2010), leading to the conjecture that glacial cirque erosion does not depend on drainage area everywhere on Earth. This conjecture is apparently confirmed by Mitchell and Humphries’ figure 3C, where only a weak correlation between cirque relief and modern precipitation was observed. However, this result is obviously biased by joining two different data sets. If the data are separated into data from literature (mainly restricted to low precipitation) and original data, the original data indicate a more distinct correlation between cirque relief and precipitation. Such a negative correlation would rather support hypothesis (2) that the pre-glacial relief has a strong influence on the formation of glacial cirques. 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