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Technical Committee on Emergency Communication Systems
2016 Pre-First Draft Meeting Minutes
San Antonio, TX
March 18&19, 2013
Wayne Moore-Chair
A.
B.
C.
D.
TC meeting called to order by Chair Wayne Moore at 8:00 AM-Monday 18th
Agenda was reviewed and Approved, see attached roster of attendees
Meeting Minutes for 10/2011 were Approved
Richard Roux, NFPA staff presented the new NFPA Process updates and
schedule for the next ECS meetings in this cycle
E. New Task Groups formed in this meeting and cycle:
Task Group Scope
Documentation
Review Ch 24 documentation
requirements and recommend reduction
in duplicative material and relocate some
material to appropriate locations for
improved flow.
Chair
Bruce Fraser
Members
Andrew Woodward, Rodger
Reiswig, Sean Remke
Numbering of Sections
Review Ch 24 numbering and
recommend ways to reduce length of
section paragraph numbering and to
promote major headings for improved
usability.
Bruce Fraser
Andrew Woodward, Rodger
Reiswig, Sean Remke
Risk Analysis
Where do we make this mandatory?
Is required for MNS System.
Impacts on Combination Systems were
MNS is involved.
John Fuoto
Sean Remke, Oded Aron, Joe
Collins, Joe Ripp, Aviv Siegel,
Bruce Fraser
LOC Mounting Heights and define use
by Occupant vs. Authorized user
Develop language and PI
Req for Monitoring FA and MNS Stand
Alone Systems
Develop Language and PI
Scott Lacey
Ray Hansen, Waymon
Jackson
Scott Lacey
Derek Matthews, Ray Hansen
Test Schedule for Elevator
Define and prepare PI
Bruce Fraser
Wayne Moore
Test Schedule Area of Refuge
Communication Systems
Clean up 14.4.3.2; LSC 101 7.2.12
Develop PI
FPRF Research on Messaging
What should we put into our code for
guidance and direction
Develop PI
Rodger Reiswig
Derek Mathews, Dan
Finnegan, Waymon Jackson
Dan Finnegan
John Fuoto, Wayne Moore
Technology for Providing Intelligibility
May need to allow non-Fire listed
products for certain applications……
John Fuoto
Audio Circuit db Loss
Evaluate data from chapter 23, place in
Annex
Develop PI
24.4.2.8
Review Evacuation Signals
Correlate with Chp 18, change title to just
evac. Revise and create PI
Prescriptive vs Performance Base for
Risk Analysis
Develop PI
Charlie Hahl
Mike Pallett , Denise Pappas,
Andrew Woodward, Wayne
Moore, Derek Mathews, Dan
Finnegan, Joe Collins
Waymon Jackson, Joe Dafin,
Tom Chambers
Area of Refuge
Compare actual requirements with other
two way requirements
LCD screens that would be primary
visual notification appliances
Review and develop PI
Dan Finnegan
None
Sean Remke
Ray Hansen, Waymon
Jackson, Bruce Fraser
Mike Pallett
Derek Mathews
Needs to work with Rodgers
task group
Derek Mathews
Mike Pallett
F. CC Task Group on Use of Ethernet Cable and Components is underway.
G. Break at 10:20 AM, Resumed 10:35 AM.
H. “Strategy to Improve Correlation” presentation was made by Bob Schifiliti Chair
of the CC.
a. Look into 10.7.1 on Priority Signals for ECS
I. Al Ramirez-UL report on CI cable-his report is contained in the following link
a. UL.com/codeauthorities click fire, see bottom Fire resistive and circuit
integrity cables-click Learn More….
J. Break for Lunch at 11:45 AM; resumed meeting at 1:10 PM
K. Bruce Fraser provided an update on the Chapter Renumbering task group; Task
Group chair will submit a PI for TC review.
L. Break at 1:55 PM, resume at 2:10 PM
M. No Task Group for Remote Annunciation of ECS
N. Derek will provide clarification on UL 1480 and 2017, see attached
O. Mtg ended at 4:00 PM to have members work on Task Group activities
Tuesday March 19, 2013 Meeting Resumed 8:00 AM
P.
Q.
R.
S.
Reviewed preliminary Task Group Reports from each Chair, see attached
Discussed “ Stakeholder” definitions, needs more attention
Break at 9:00 AM, resume 9:15 AM
Combined SIG-PRO and SIG-ECS TC session on Using Ethernet for Fire Alarm
and ECS
a. PI to Chapter 23 is the intended action
b. Presentation from TG on the application and approach ( A J Capowski and
W. Moore)
c. Class N proposed, will not have ground detection
d. Joe Ripp will be the Chp 24 liaison with Chp 23 (Kurt Ruchala)
e. Will need some interface with TMS in the near future
T. Break at 10:00 AM, Resume 10:20 AM
U. Message from Chair—be prepared for next meeting by reading the PI’s
V. Meeting adjourned at 11:50 AM
Submitted
Daniel P Finnegan
Secretary ECS TC
Technical Committee on Emergency Communication Systems
Pre-First Draft Meeting
March 18-19, 2013
San Antonio, TX
Principal TC Members in Attendance:
Wayne Moore, Chair
Daniel Finnegan, Secretary
Oded Aron
Thomas Chambers
Joe Collins
Bruce Fraser
John Fuoto
Raymond Hansen
Waymon Jackson
Scott Lacey
Derek Mathews
Michael Pallett
Rodger Reiswig
Sean Remke
Aviv Siegel
Andrew Woodward
Hughes Associates, Inc.
National Electrical Manufacturers
Port Authority of NY & NJ
Central Station Alarm Association
Dallas/Fort Worth Intn’l Airport
Fraser Fire Protection Services
AMEC Environment & Infrastructure
US Deptartment of the Air Force
University of Texas at Austin
Lacey Fire Protection Engineering
Underwriters Laboratories Inc.
Telecor Inc.
Tyco
FP&C Consultants, Inc.
Athoc, Inc.
Arup Fire
Alternate TC Members in Attendance:
Denise Pappas
Joseph Ripp
National Electrical Manufacturers
Automatic Fire Alarm Assoc. Inc.
Richard Roux
NFPA Staff
GUESTS:
Al Ramenos
Esteban Cota
Bob Schifiliti
UL
Siemens Industry, Inc.
R.P. Schifiliti Associates