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chicago, il
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hospitality & healing
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peace & justice
Wearing A
Restorative Lens
Aaron Pierre, SJ
It was the fifth time that day I told Anthony to put his phone away. It
wasn’t typical for him to be this disruptive, and I was fed up. My initial response to these situations tends to be the easiest solution. I
blame and criticize. I react harshly to disrespect. I feel compelled to
punish bad behavior.
Though he protested, he wasn’t surprised when a half hour later I
asked him to step into the hall with me, and bring that dang cell
phone with him. I stood tall as I asked for him to explain himself, my
eyes judging: “Which girl you’re texting is more important than our
group work right now?”
The guys I accompanied face great challenges. Their community is
a place where jobs are so scarce that slinging dope or hustling for
the local gang are often the only possible sources of income. It
struggles under the weight of gun violence and police brutality. And
most teens don’t ride public transportation for fear of traveling
through “enemy territory.” In the course of our program, the family
of one teen moved to Indiana to escape violence in the city. Another
moved in with the family of a friend and plans to attend school away
from his block to find respite from the violent home life. Another
teen, the oldest of eight children, with his mother working three jobs,
has the responsibility of waking, bathing, clothing, and feeding the
young ones, all before he showed up for work at our program. Our
human lives are far more complex than what meets the eye.
“Man, you don't even know half of it!”
Even though I consider myself a strong restorative justice propo-
“If I see you touching that screen one more time I’m taking it.”
After I took a deep breath, we sat down and he explained: His brother got locked-up late the night before and he was facing some serious charges. Anthony’s mother was scraping together what little
cash they had to bail out her son so he wouldn’t have to spend another month or more in the county jail. Anthony was checking his
phone to keep up-to-date on the progress. He was worried about
his brother. He was concerned about their finances. He, like many
young men growing up in poverty, was burdened with greater responsibility, anxiety, and trauma than the average teenager.
This summer I worked at Precious Blood Ministry of Reconciliation
(PBMR), a restorative justice hub in Back of The Yards. I helped
coordinate one of the summer work programs focused on education
for black youth between the ages of 13-16.
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The guys I
accompanied face
great challenges
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The restorative
justice lens that I am learning to wear involves
seeking to understand the other
dialogue. They serve as a means to relationship, communication, and
healing. This ancient practice, believed to have originated with the native peoples of America and Australia, brings people together on an
e ual level so that all parties might be heard and con ict might be resolved.
Aaron Pierre, SJ
Emmaus House Catholic Worker Community, in the North awndale
neighborhood of Chicago, recently hosted a roundtable discussion on
restorative justice and peace circles. Our engaging conversation
helped me expand my vision from the microcosm of the workplace at
PBMR to imagining restorative justice on a larger scale. Organizations
around the city, such as Circles and Ciphers, Alternatives Inc., and
awndale Christian egal Center, are helping implement restorative
justice practices in schools, churches, parks, and community centers.
nent, the American conceptions of harsh punishment and retribution
have shaped my thinking and in uenced my reactions. This has been a
challenging self-realization because all of these easy responses result
Other inspiring examples of this alternative societal vision are taking
in more harm. My initial re ex is rarely, if ever, restorative. Again, Anplace in North awndale. The first is an occupation called reedom
thony, who keeps looking at his phone: take it away. omeone steals
uare which the et Us Breathe Collective initiated on uly 2 th in
from the center: call the police. One of my youth shows up for work
protest of the Chicago Police Department black ops site, Homan
halfway through the day: dock his pay, no uestions.
uare. The occupation attempts to manifest the dream of a community without violence or police no surprise, peace circles of all kinds are
Time and again I was humbled by the staff at PBMR when they called
a daily occurrence. econd, Cook County received a federal grant to
me in to embrace the restorative responses to con ict or ruptured relabegin a community court initiative in North awndale where young
tionships. or example, after docking one’s pay, explain why, then ofadults facing nonviolent felony and misdemeanor charges may opt to
fer an alternative way to earn back a full paycheck. When I wanted to
participate by taking responsibility for their actions and seeking to rekick-out two of the youth for continued bad behavior, the staff helped
pair any harm done through peace circles, community service, and forme reconfigure our program into small groups where we could focus
mal apologies.
our attention on their specific needs a creative solution that resulted
in cohesion and not harm.
This restorative justice lens that I am learning to wear involves seeking
to understand the other, to hear their experience. We are complex huThe work of PBMR, one of several restorative justice organizations in
man beings and our stories are far more than what meets the eye. ReChicago, extends beyond these summer programs. They strive to
storative justice is built on communication and listening. It isn’t popular,
“reach out to the victim, the wrongdoer, and the community to create a
easy, or ashy. It doesn’t make headlines. However, when done well, it
safe space where healing can begin and where people can find the
restores communities and relationships to peace, connection, and balsupport and encouragement needed to begin reconciliation.” Con ict is
ance. It involves not giving up on people. It involves holding some acan inevitable part of human relationships. On the small scale, it is a
countable for harm caused and attempting to create venues for healing.
sign of interpersonal growth. On the level of community, it occurs natuRestorative justice is as much a worldview as it is a practice.
rally and healing and rebuilding are essential next steps. Instead of
seeing con ict as a failure, places like PBMR see it as an opportunity
for building new and deeper relationship.
My life and communities, including u Casa, are not immune from conict. Though much of my upbringing leads me to want to run away
when voices are raised, I am slowly learning to embrace con ict as opportunity. or example, when tensions began to run high in u Casa,
we decided collectively to engage in the restorative justice practice of
peace circles.
With the help of our PBMR neighbors, for years u Casa has turned to
peace circles as a means to reconcile differences, heal wounds, and
build relationship. Peace circles are a semi-structured format of group
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The Happenings
When you last heard from u Casa, we were
a house emptied of families, kept grounded in
the works of mercy by the soup kitchen guests
at rieda’s Place by the unexpected knock on
the front door (“We could not say, Go, be thou
filled.’) by the worker turned guest who consistently reminded us that charity began at home,
so we had better start loving one another.
In that abbath space between “open” and
“closed,” some workers discerned a new call:
to a new spiritual way, to a waiting family, to
the open road with a heart drawn to the farm,
to a neighboring community to call home.
ome of us sat in the dark at night with our
eyes open. Others continued to rise to greet
morning’s first light.
Until one afternoon, we were just standing up
on a ladder painting and the phone rang.
Bueno?
Yes, we will keep our appointment to visit your
house.
To see if it can become….our home.
oon we woke up on a aturday morning
knowing that there were children in the house
again, feeling the lightness and weight that
brings.
Before too long we had a birthday cake and
lit the candles twice, once for the birthday
teen, and another time for his year-old sister,
who shed a few tears because she wanted a
birthday, too.
une brought new hands to help in the house,
some to visit, some to stay.
Br. Denis trekked from Trinity House in
Albu uer ue, bringing sense in the midst of
storm. irst Christian Church from Norman,
Oklahoma identified us as mission territory and
contributed to our indoor and outdoor home
improvement.
And Chicago’s youth workers keep us in good
order as our walls continue to expand.
o a house, rapidly filling, knows summer at
u Casa:
Children at the garden gate, calling for “Bre-
ann!” - its caretaker.
A visit to a Planta’s neighborhood farmer’s
market for a tour (en espa ol) and some vegan
elotes.
An Independence Day of bb (and liking it so
much we asked Mike to continue grilling each
Monday night) singing traditional atin American songs, accompanied by Nee on the guitar,
dodging firework refuse and being treated to
the professional grade fireworks show of our
neighbor on Bishop treet.
Morning prayer or evening prayer (always at
). And countless prayers uttered over the
course of the day, Gracias a Dios.
Dinner at (so we can finish in time for the
evening summer reading program) and having
enough food for guests who arrive at :1 , and
:3 , and 6:
.
Worker meetings held in a packed biblioteca at
the peak of summer, to be reconciled by a trip
to the beach with our three families.
Gratitude for shorter dark nights and mornings that arrive early.
Farewells/Despedidas
u Casa is one of those places that whether
you visit there once for a community dinner
or live there for months you know it will have
an impact on you for the rest of your life the
same is true for my time at u Casa. I lived at
u Casa from last October to this May during
a time of great transition but as I soon learned
u Casa is constantly transitioning, transitions
are part of u Casa’s DNA. This is what makes
u Casa such a strange and beautiful place
there is always room to grow and change. To
say that every day at u Casa was sunshine
and rainbows would be untrue, but something
amazing happened every day, from spontaneous lunches with our moms or art projects with
our kids. u Casa will stay with me wherever I
go and I am profoundly happy to say that after
my time at u Casa I am changed for the better. I would like to thank all our moms and kids
for teaching me so much and with out you u
Casa wouldn’t be the same.
Peace and ove,
- Katy Herder, Brethren Volunteer
As a college student at aint avier University
I was introduced to the Back of the Yards.
Throughout the nights I spent volunteering there with the Port Ministries I grew in
understanding and love for the area. At u
Casa I found another glimpse of God in the
Yards. I was spending my first week at the
house in a sort of trial to see if I would move
in. It was riday and I had made my decision
to stay, so I was heading back to my parent’s
house in the sleepy suburbs to gather some
more of my belongings and stopped in to the
dining room with my backpack on. I walked
in to find one of the families eating with some
volunteers from DePaul and one of the girls
yelling my name. “That’s hay! That’s hay!”
The college students laughed at the sight of me
which confused me until I heard my little seven
year old friend, one of the guests at the time,
had told them that I was her sister. I think they
were a little surprised by my age and starkly
opposite color of skin, but to her it was so
simple and clear that I was her new sister and
full time friend as a worker at u Casa. When
I look back on my time at u Casa it’s clear
that it was that pure love and joy despite the
circumstances that filled my time at u Casa
with purpose. The hope and love that the kids I
lived with at u Casa showed me that day and
in the following days filled me up. As Dorothy
Day once said, “We have all known the long
loneliness ” It was hard to feel that loneliness
though with my instant sisters sitting around the
dinner table every night. That was love. That
was community.
- Shay O’Toole
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New Arrivals & Summer Workers
home in a vibrant, multicultural space
in a historical neighborhood. It’s also
nice to have a vegetable garden in my
backyard, a piano in my living room,
and murals in my dining room!
- MICHELLE BYRNE
Dancing at our end of the summer fiesta!
Well, wouldn’t you know… ol’ Dorothy
Day brought me to Su Casa! What a
magnificent woman—learned quite
a bit about her in a class I took at
DePaul University. Our class, called
Pioneers of Social Change, came to
visit this Catholic Worker after studying her courageous struggle for justice.
At the time, I was in my first term of
college, but I felt a strong connection
to the model of shared life and work
here. With the intention to develop
collaboration-oriented skills for community-based engagement, I finished
my first year at DePaul, studying Intercultural Communications. At the start
of my sophomore year, however, I felt
torn. My community and resources at
DePaul were important to me, especially the engagement in dialogues
and actions of Social and Environmental Justice, but… if I had never actually
lived in the shared community-lifestyle
in which I wanted to invest my future,
how would I know I was studying
meaningful, practical subjects or skills
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at DePaul? It wasn’t long after that that
I applied to Su Casa and decided to
take a year off school. I was accepted
to live and learn here as a worker from
July through December 2016. So far,
so good! Gotta hand it to you, Dorothy,
Su Casa is still kickin’.
- JANNA LYHUS
Hello! I’m Michelle. I have been
involved with the Catholic Worker
Movement for 10+ years now as
“extended community” but am grateful to be a live-in community member
at Su Casa this year. I look forward
to growing in my understanding and
practice of the CW values, and to
doing that in a communal context. I
grew up in Kansas City and moved to
Chicago several years ago to pursue
my medical education. This year will
be full of decisions about my future
career as a physician and I am hopeful
that remaining grounded in the life of
Su Casa will help with this important
discernment. I am excited to make my
Hi! My name is Anna Rimlinger, and I
am so happy to call Su Casa my home
for about three months this summer. I
began volunteering in the soup kitchen
this past spring, and it has been amazing to see how relationships begun
while cracking eggs at 7am have
transformed and grown over the past
few months. Though I am a newcomer
to the Catholic Worker movement,
I have already learned much about
Dorothy Day’s ideals by seeing them
in action here at Su Casa. Community
is spontaneous kitchen dance parties
and rather absurd late-night games
of Scrabble. Hospitality is teaching a
young boy how to pronounce the word
“bird” (hint: it’s not like “beard”) and
translating for his mom at an appointment with her lawyer. And personalism
is that incredible feeling you get when
people really, genuinely care about
you for no good reason. I know that all
the challenging and beautiful things I
have learned here will change my lens
on life as I head back to the University
of Chicago in the fall to finish my BA.
But don’t worry! I have a feeling Su
Casa hasn’t seen the last of me…
- ANNA RIMLINGER
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Presentaciones de nuestros
voluntarios de verano
Bien, quien lo dir a …Dorothy Day
me trajo a Su Casa! Aprend un poco
sobre esta mujer espl ndida en una
de mis clases en la Universidad
DePaul. Despu s de estudiar sobre
su valiente lucha por la justicia social,
mi clase que llevaba por nombre,
Pioneros del cambio social, tuvo la
oportunidad de visitar a Su Casa
Catholic Worker en Chicago. En ese
momento, yo estaba en mi primer
semestre universitario, y sent una
fuerte conexi n con el modelo de
vida comunitaria y el trabajo en Su
Casa. Con la intenci n de desarrollar y mejorar habilidades orientadas
al trabajo en equipo y servicio a la
comunidad, termine mi primer a o
en DePaul estudiando Comunicaci n
Intercultural. Al comen ar mi segundo
a o, sin embargo, me sent incompleta. Mi comunidad y los recursos
en DePaul eran importantes para
m , sobre todo la participaci n en los
di logos y acciones de justicia social
y ambiental, pero … sent la necesidad de tener experiencia de primera mano ya que este estilo de vida
quer a para mi futuro. O si no C mo
hubiera sabido si en realidad estaba
estudiando, materias pr cticas y significantes en DePaul? Debido a esto,
decid tomar un a o de descanso en
el mbito acad mico y convertirme
en un miembro más de Su Casa. Mi
solicitud fue aceptada y ser una
trabajadora en Su Casa desde julio
hasta diciembre del 2016. Hasta el
momento, todo me ha ido de maravilla! Te lo debemos a ti, Dorothy, que
Su Casa contin e siendo un espacio
vibrante.
- JANNA LYHUS
Hola! Soy Michelle. He estado
involucrada con el Movimiento del
Trabajador Cat lico, como una
comunidad extendida , por m s de
10 a os pero en este a o estoy
agradecida de ser un miembro activo
y vivir en la comunidad de Su Casa.
Espero crecer en mi entendimiento y
la pr ctica de los valores de Su Casa
y hacerlo en un contexto de vida comunitaria. Crec en ansas City y me
traslad a Chicago hace varios a os
para continuar con mi educaci n en
el campo de la medicina. Este a o
estar lleno de decisiones que afectar n mi carrera futura como doctora.
Tengo la esperan a que la vida y los
valores en Su Casa me ayudar n con
este importante discernimiento. Estoy
muy contenta de vivir en un espacio
vibrante y multicultural en un barrio
hist rico. Tambi n, es agradable
tener un huerto en mi patio trasero,
un piano en mi sala, y unos murales
en mi comedor!
- Michelle Byrne
¡Hola! Mi nombre es Anna Rimlinger,
y estoy muy feliz de vivir en Su Casa
durante tres meses este verano.”
Empec como voluntaria en la Soup
itchen en la primavera pasada,
y ha sido sorprendente ver c mo
relaciones interpersonales nacen
mientras se rompen los huevos para
el desayuno a las 7 am y como estas
se han transformado y desarrollado
en los ltimos meses. Aunque soy
nueva en el movimiento del Trabajador Cat lico, he aprendido mucho
acerca de los ideales de Dorothy Day
simplemente con mirar las acciones
en Su Casa. a comunidad se siente
en bailes espont neos en la cocina
y juegos nocturnos de Scrabble. a
hospitalidad es ense ar a un ni o
c mo se pronuncia la palabra bird
(pista: no es como beard ) y servir
de traductora a una madre en una
cita con su abogado. el personalismo se siente cuando la gente en esta
comunidad realmente, realmente, se
preocupan por el bienestar de cada
miembro. Estoy segura que todas las
cosas ya sean dif ciles o hermosas
que he aprendido aqu van a cambiar
mi objetivo en la vida, mientras me
dirijo de nuevo a la Universidad de
Chicago en el oto o para terminar
con mi licenciatura. Pero no se preo-
cupen! Tengo la sensaci n que Su
Casa no ha visto todo de m …
- ANNA RIMLINGER
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Don’t tell me I am brave
Because I live in a city that is aching,
Because I hear gunshots from my
window.
Last night I lost count after seven.
None were aimed at me.
Don’t tell me I am strong
Because I am a woman
Who has learned to thrive
In a world built for men.
Sometimes it hurts.
Don’t tell me I am talented
Because I speak two languages.
(Why do foreign tongues
Never seem to sound so sweet
On foreign lips?)
Instead
Place your feet upon the ground
And know
There is nothing between you and me
And all those others
Who are brave and strong and talented
But the earth.
Just this (justice?) earth that
Connects
My feet to yours and hers and his and
theirs.
Let’s not all jump at once.
- Anna Rimlinger
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Su Casa Founder,
Br. Denis Murphy
Brother Denis Murphy, who founded Su Casa
Catholic Worker in 1990, came to stay with us
for a few months this spring and summer. In
April, we sat down with him to learn more about
the early days at Su Casa as they help map our
course for the future. Below are snippets we’d
like to share from that interview.
Q: You know, Denis, this is such a huge
building. What did you do to make it
homey?
Q: Brother Denis Murphy, how in the world
did you go from being a teacher of social
work at colleges around the world to being
a down-and-out Catholic Worker?
Denis: Gradually! Actually I went to volunteer
at t. rancis House while I was getting my
degree in social work at oyola. After I got my
degree in 1 6, I went and lived in a Catholic
Worker house for a summer. I lived at Denver
House for a while, and also went to Covenant
House, for runaway kids in New York. Most
of my education until then had been booklearning, so I wanted to get to talk directly
with people who were poor or homeless. o
anyhow, I was there for a summer, and a
thought struck me, it’d be kind of neat to start a
Catholic Worker house!
Q: How did you discern the original mission
for Su Casa?
Denis: Well, because I was teaching at ewis
University out near oliet, I went out and contacted Catholic charities there to find out if they
needed a Catholic Worker house. And they
said they probably did, but they already had
this building program to house homeless folks.
At the same time, there was a fellow working
for the diocese there who had gone to atin
America several times. He saw the need to
open houses
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Br. Denis Murphy is joined by
co-founder, Sr. Joann Persch.
for atin American migrants because our government doesn’t favor them, and they can’t get
any kind of welfare services. o he was interested. Then I contacted my sister Pat, who was
somewhat ac uainted with the culture because
she had worked for ten years in Peru, but she
didn’t want to go to oliet, so we started up in
Chicago.
Q: What about the name? How did you get
the name Su Casa?
Denis: Well first, we started as the Central
American Martyrs Center. And we said, oh my
goodness, how are we going to write all that
out every time? o my sister Pat came up with
the name u Casa, and that’s how it came
about. But evidently there’s a restaurant in
Chicago called u Casa, and sometimes we’d
get calls to make reservations. We’d say, well,
ok, but you may not like the meal you get!
Denis: Well, I think the fact that we had children
had a softening effect for those first six years
when we took in survivors of torture. We tried
to make things joyful. Whenever we could
celebrate, we would. We’d celebrate baptisms,
we’d celebrate marriages, where folks’ children
would be the ring-bearers and so on. We had
groups of college kids and high school kids
come in, and during those times we’d have
dances. Then there were always birthday
parties for the kids where we’d have a pi ata,
so things along that line, where the kids would
look forward to things that were happening
in the house. ike in most Catholic Worker
houses, there was never a dull moment!
Q: Denis, if you were interviewing yourself,
what question would you ask?
Denis: I guess, what fascinated me about
the Catholic Worker? I think it was the simple
lifestyle, working with people who needed help,
and being with other people who had the same
motivations as I did. Being in the Brothers is
much different because we focused on education, and when my hearing went bad I couldn’t
teach anymore, so that was one of the things
that drew me to the Worker. But also, I’m very
open to experience various things, like I was
on a Christian peace-making team, and I went
to Ira for three months, I’ve been arrested 6
times, taught in Palestine so I guess I’m kind
of on the edge of things, but I’m fine with it.
the article in this newsletter titled, Wearing A
Restorative ens.
-AARON PIERRE, SJ
We also have been fortunate to have two previous workers, Mike Cronin and Edison Pati o,
stay with us for the summer.
Mike has recently returned from the Northwest and has been a great help with outdoor
maintenance, soup kitchen, heavy lifting, and
Monday night barbe ues!!!
Word games at Su Casa
atho ic or er!
New Arrivals & Summer
Workers, continued
My name is Aaron Pierre and I'm a esuit
seminarian (Catholic priest-in-training) studying Philosophy at oyola University. I am so
grateful to have lived as a member of the u
Casa community this summer. Many reasons
drew me to this beautiful lifestyle and mission.
Because I need community and deep relation-
ship. Because I have long been inspired by
Dorothy Day and her radical commitment to
living out her faith through acts of justice and
resistance. Because remaining close to those
in need draws out my most authentic self,
roots me in the reality of the world, and teaches me about love and generosity, about God
and myself, and about giving and receiving. I
was blessed this summer to be ministered to
by the wonderful families who fill u Casa with
life and also by the inspiring staff, youth, and
community members who make up Precious
Blood Ministry of Reconciliation. You can read
about some of the work I engaged in through
Presentaciones de nuestros
voluntarios de verano,
continuado
Mi nombre es Aaron Pierre y yo soy un
seminarista jesuita (sacerdote en formaci n
cat lica) y estudio ilosof a en la Universidad
de oyola. Estoy muy agradecido de haber
vivido como un miembro de la comunidad en
u Casa en este verano. Hay muchas razones
ue me atrajo a este hermoso estilo de vida y
misi n. Una de ellas es por ue necesito la comunidad y la relaci n profunda ue esta ofrece
y del mismo modo por ue desde hace mucho
tiempo he estado inspirado por Dorothy Day
y su compromiso radical a vivir su fe a trav s
de actos de justicia y resistencia. El estar
cerca de los necesitados me ayuda a extraer
mi yo m s aut ntico, y pone en mi las ra ces
del mundo real y me ense a sobre el amor y la
generosidad de Dios y de m mismo, y sobre el
concepto de dar y recibir. ui afortunado este
verano de servir a las maravillosas familias
ue llenan u Casa con vida y tambi n a los
miembros del personal, la juventud y la comunidad ue integran el ministerio de
reconciliaci n en Precious Blood. Usted puede
When not en u Casa, he is spending uality
time with his local grandkids.
ince his last time at u Casa, Edison has
been a steady volunteer for weekend house
managing shifts and our unday Trader oe’s
run. We value his skills in translation, tutoring
assistance, and philosophical conversation.
Visit our website for more
communit ne s!
WWW.SUCASACW.ORG
y ha sido de gran ayuda con el mantenimiento
de reas exteriores de la casa, el comedor y
en el mbito de la cocina ya ue prepara barbacoas todos los lunes por la noche!!! Cuando
no est en su Casa, l aprovecha el tiempo
libre para pasar con sus nietos.
Comienzos de verano en el jardín
Desde su llegada a u Casa, Edison ha sido
un voluntario estable y comprometido. Algunas
de sus funciones ha sido colaborar los fines
de semana con la gesti n de turnos y recoger
alimentos donados de Trader oe’s. Del mismo
modo, valoramos sus habilidades en el campo
de la educaci n y el papel ue desempe a
como traductor, tutor y sus conversaciones
filos ficas amenas.
- TRADUCIDO POR EDISON PATIÑO
leer acerca de algunos de los trabajos ue
particip a trav s del art culo en este bolet n
titulado, Wearing A Restorative ens.
- AARON PIERRE, SJ
Tambi n hemos tenido la suerte de tener dos
trabajos anteriores, Mike Cronin y Edison
Pati o, ue permanecer n con nosotros
durante el verano.
Mike ha regresado recientemente del Noroeste
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FRIENDS OF SU CASA:
• share their fix-it skills when house repairs are needed
• manage the office when workers are away
• tutor moms and kids
• mentor teens
• do amazing things we haven't imagined yet
ant to e a friend end a hand!
Please contact Michelle at sucasacw gmail.com
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