[12:09:10] admin : get your questions ready! :)
[12:09:24] yashna : yep its already ready :P
[12:09:34] candijordan : is there a particular topic or anything goes
[12:10:08] werty : anything goes - so long as it's F4 ( English )
[12:10:23] candijordan : cool
[12:10:27] werty : Asak - I'm here!
[12:10:33] werty : *Ask*
[12:10:41] candijordan : good
[12:11:04] rabbzone : is tutor online now?
[12:11:09] werty : Ok! Any more questions?
[12:11:16] werty : YES!! I'm here
[12:11:31] mohinee18 : is there any tips for the F4 exams in general?
[12:11:34] wannabeacct : any tips for revising? i have lots to learn and lots of
commitments lol
[12:11:43] werty : Hi, yes, they are on line now
[12:11:52] mohinee18 : ok....
[12:12:07] yashna : okie
[12:12:11] candijordan : with company law wat r the cases should we pay
particular attention to
[12:12:12] werty : Wanna - now's the time to start reading and re-reading the
questions and answers from the revision kit
[12:12:14] yashna : z ten chapters?
[12:12:35] wannabeacct : i dont have a reviosn kit
[12:12:42] yashna : n the past exams papers?
[12:12:53] rabbzone : do we have to name the cases in our exams which are in
books?
[12:13:03] mohinee18 : is it necessary to mention the cases respective years?
coz different lecturers say different things abt it
[12:13:04] preet : hi, i just wanted to ask that in june exams do we have to
change house of lords to supreme court
[12:13:22] werty : candi - as many as you can remember! Certainly Salomon is a
biggy. Case law is not as important in company law as it is for the law of
obligations ( conytract law ).
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[12:13:54] werty : Check out the questions from a revision kit and you'll see that
there are substantially fewer cases in co law qs
[12:14:03] werty : Preet - yes
[12:14:19] werty : {mohinee18} ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!
[12:14:27] edecre : as far as I understood it's not important the year
[12:14:43] werty : {rabbzone} If you can - but whatever you do, DO NOT MAKE
UP CASE NAMES
[12:14:43] preet : actually i have notes n text books from last year so can i still
study from them
[12:14:44] rabbzone : do we have to mentioin the case names in exams
[12:14:47] rabbzone : whch r in books
[12:14:54] rabbzone : ok thnx
[12:14:54] werty : {rabbzone} Ideally, yes
[12:15:10] candijordan : {werty} ok my problem are the share capital always
[12:15:20] candijordan : chapter
[12:15:33] candijordan : any tips in particular
[12:15:44] werty : Check out the marking schemes in the rev kit. To score 8 - 10,
( in contract law questions ) the answer g=uide invariably says "quoting cases
where relevant"
[12:16:05] rabbzone : if there is a questions like differentiate between ..... so can
we write in bullets ?
[12:16:27] rabbzone : or we hav to write in paragraph
[12:16:29] rabbzone : ?
[12:16:31] werty : {candijordan} As always, the advice is read, read and read
again! After a few times through, you'll realise that it's relatively straight forward
[12:16:31] yashna : ok but quting only the cases and not relating the history of
the case?
[12:17:05] preet : actually i have notes n text books from last year so can i still
study from them
[12:17:10] werty : {rabbzone} bullets are not really acceptable in ( any ) exam.
write in sentences. But keep your sentences short and to the point
[12:17:41] werty : One markable point per sentence - and one sentence per point
[12:18:18] edecre : I'm having a look at exam tips, I know they're not the actual
questions, but why insider dealing is the topic of both question 9 and 10? is the
examiner so in love with this topic?
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[12:18:35] werty : {yashna} VERY RARELY is the examiner looking for the case
details! VERY RARELY! State the principle of law and quote the case ( in brackets )
after you've stated the principle
[12:19:32] werty : {edecre} Hi! No, I need to look at that. I changed the tips
after I had given them to Admin last evening - I changed them this morning! But
Admin has obviously misunderstood the change.
[12:20:14] werty : I put all the blame on Admin!
[12:20:30] candijordan : {werty} ok
[12:20:37] edecre : ok, no problem don't blame Admins, they're doing a great
job!!!
[12:20:53] candijordan : yes im seeing insider trading twice
[12:21:17] werty : {edecre} Don't blame him? I shall propose that he be
removed from office! By ordinary resolution with special notice
[12:21:42] mohinee18 : hi edecre!can u give me z link to the exam tips
plizzz????cnt find it
[12:22:09] yashna : Also, in contract last time zer were questions on postal rule
and doctrine of privity.Is there any idea if these topics can be re-assesed once
again?
[12:22:12] preet : so do i have to buy revision kit for 2010
[12:22:39] rabbzone : werty i alwys face problem in solving questions like how to
deal with questioins
[12:22:49] edecre : mohinee18, just look at the F4 page of opentuition
[12:22:51] rabbzone : plz giv some tip
[12:22:55] edecre : this is the link http://opentuition.com/acca/f4/
[12:23:12] mohinee18 : thx dr
[12:23:39] werty : {yashna} Hi. Anything can be asked! But postal rule is a bit
old fashioned now - what with emails and mobiles. So the examining adjudicators
pointed out that it's a bit historical and I don't think it's likely to come up again.
[12:24:16] werty : However, David Kelly will have written this June's exam
sometime probably in 2008 or early 2009. So it COULD still appear.
[12:24:26] werty : Privity? Why not?
[12:24:30] yashna : ok
[12:24:33] yashna : thks
[12:24:55] candijordan : my problem is that sometimes i dont know how much
to write. apparently i wasnt writing enough the first time and im writing too much
the second time around. tell me where is the medium
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[12:25:16] candijordan : oh and the 3rd i just dont know wat went wrong
[12:25:19] candijordan : lol
[12:26:20] werty : There will be a revision to the tips! Insider dealing is not going
to appear twice! However, I've forgotten what I told my students today! Maybe one
of you,. if you're on line, could pm me
[12:27:27] werty : {candijordan} 18 minutes! Plan for 5 minutes, and write for
13! How much can you write if you are to make 10 points in 13 minutes? How
much can you write in 1 minute 18 seconds?
[12:27:28] preet : werty could you please tell me that should i buy 2010 revision
kit
[12:27:48] werty : {preet} Ok, "You should buy a 2010 revisionkit! "
[12:27:50] wannabeacct : what percntage of people pass this exam
[12:28:25] coco78 : Hi Werty, are you the tutor that teach in Latvia.
[12:28:34] werty : seriously, if you're using 2009 kit, why not download the last
exam from the ACCA website? This is not ideal, but at least you'll be more up to
date
[12:29:09] rabbzone : werty plz giv me some tip on how to deal wid questions in
exam
[12:29:16] rabbzone : like how much shud i write
[12:29:16] werty : Where's Latvia?
[12:29:51] werty : {rabbzone} 13 minutes - after you have spent 5 minutes
trying to think of ten different points to make
[12:30:06] candijordan : {werty} ok so while reading jot down points to the
questions?
[12:30:10] kristens : today you told us that the insider dealing could be once probably together with money laundering
[12:30:12] rabbzone : like for 5 marks how much should we write
[12:30:25] werty : {wannabeacct} look at the ACCA website and search in "pass
rates"
[12:30:29] yashna : can we write ten points in only ten diffferent sentence or
elaborate on it?
[12:30:42] werty : {Kristens} And what was q 9
[12:30:48] kristens : tort
[12:31:00] kristens : remotness of damange
[12:31:10] kristens : Q35 from the revision kit
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[12:31:56] werty : {Kristens} Kris, please check the tips on OT website and let
me know where I've gone wrong on the site. Many thanks
[12:32:56] werty : {yashna} You've only got 13 minutes! How many sentences
can you write in thirteen minutes - especially since they should have ten different
ideas
[12:33:28] werty : {yashna} simple answer - yes
[12:33:38] werty : {candijordan} yes!
[12:34:03] edecre : ok, even if it is not the final version, let's go through the
exam tips, I like the hint for question 1, I'll have a look at David Kelly's article
[12:34:14] werty : ok
[12:34:37] tracy1305 : hi guys
[12:34:45] edecre : what is special business in question 2?
[12:35:05] werty : by definition, it's anything which isn't ordinary business
[12:35:30] edecre : what would you say about meetings and resolutions and
special business?
[12:35:59] edecre : is there any special thing to say?
[12:36:16] kristens : checked the tips in OT. all of the are almost the same as you
mentioned today. Isn't it strange that tip 9 is insider dealing & tip 10 is money
laundering/INSIDER dealing?
[12:37:11] candijordan : ok .....and i was told that if i dont remember the name
of the case that i can just say ....
[12:37:21] werty : oh dear! Spec resolutions lots to say and 2 examples top give
- change of co name and change of articles. Spec notice 28 days notice to
company and 21 days to the members. Two examples, remove director and
remove auditor. Spec business - anything which isn't ordinary business. 2
examples, change c
[12:38:01] werty : {Kristens} Hi - that's why I asked you to check! Did I give you
any today which are not on the OT site?
[12:38:15] werty : {candijordan} ....in a decided case ....
[12:38:24] candijordan : ok
[12:38:52] edecre : thanks
[12:40:06] werty : re the doubling up of insider dealing as a tip, I've not got my
"workings" with me. I'll let Admin know tomorrow what Q9 tip should be
[12:40:23] kristens : yeah some small additions - ratio/obiter + reversing,
overruling etc &
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[12:41:48] preet : werty see when i try to sit and study for exams sometimes i
dont understand that how can i remember things for exams and tips for that
[12:42:03] werty : Ah yes! Thanks Kris. Ratio / obiter / reversing etc - question
from the BPP kit - probably around question number 6 or 7
[12:42:04] candijordan : wat about senario questions i was trying to remember
how to tackle it
[12:42:16] preet : i get confused will the the topics
[12:42:38] werty : And move the partnership tip into the last two - ie q 9 or 10 in
the exam
[12:43:49] kristens : it seems that OT has put company secretary and directors
together in one tip
[12:43:58] tracy1305 : any tips on how to remember the points and law and
cases, i keep re reading the chapters but does seem to sink in?
[12:43:59] candijordan : i think it was state the case, identify the problem or
something like that
[12:44:31] werty : {preet} This is a basic exam technique problem by the sound
of it. If you read the suggested solutions in a revision kit, it's easy to get
depressed. The answers are wwritten by law tutors who have available all the
notes, references, text books and time. You have 18 minutes!
[12:45:12] werty : {Kristens} Hi, thanks again. That's probably ok - it's
collectively known as "the executive"
[12:45:13] candijordan : true that
[12:45:42] preet : thanx werty
[12:45:51] kristens : yeah, probably - in that case one point is missing..could be
the case with double insider dealing
[12:45:57] tracy1305 : so what do i concerte on will the basic points and the
main cases be enough to pass
[12:46:23] kristens : {tracy1305
[12:46:23] yashna : please can you give me the link to article in January Student
Accountant
[12:46:48] werty : {tracy1305} Then forget about trying to learn the case
names! Just soak in to your head the principles of the law. In an ideal world, you
would be able to illustrate those principles by referring to a particular case. But
we're not living in an ideal world!
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[12:46:56] preet : <u><a href='http://www.accaglobal.com/students/
student_accountant/archive/2010/103/3288934' target='_blank'>http://
www.accaglobal.com/students/student_accountant/archive/2010/103/3288934 </
a></u>
[12:47:06] preet : here is the link for jan artical
[12:47:20] yashna : thks preet
[12:47:22] kristens : thanks preet
[12:47:28] preet : ur welcome
[12:47:37] werty : {tracy1305} Maybe! But the more you can pack into that 3
hours, the more likely will be the success
[12:49:13] candijordan : any recent updates that we need to be aware of besides
the judiciary
[12:50:05] werty : {candijordan} Not that I'm aware of. If you find any, could you
please let me know?
[12:50:15] candijordan : ok
[12:50:43] edecre : my guess about all these cases queries is that in the marking
scheme is always written something like "cases will be expected to be provided" to
get 8-10 marks
[12:51:08] werty : {edecre} I've a feeling that that is pretty much what I said.
[12:51:10] edecre : and many people got 40-49 points in the last exam :-(
[12:51:23] candijordan : when stating the case do we need to explain what the
case was about
[12:51:31] werty : It also means that, theoretically, you can score 70% without
any mention of cases
[12:51:41] werty : {edecre} and in every exam
[12:51:55] werty : {candijordan} RARELY
[12:52:04] edecre : yes you're right, it's just a matter of looking at the bright side
of life
[12:52:11] werty : {edecre} always
[12:52:45] werty : {Kristens} Why didn't you ask on the course?
[12:53:21] edecre : werty, are you the guy of the audio&video lectures?
[12:53:36] werty : {edecre} That's me. Are you the one that's listening?
[12:53:58] preet : we all r listening werty
[12:54:01] edecre : yes, one of your secret admirers
[12:54:07] werty : {preet} :-)
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[12:54:22] werty : {edecre} and even more :-)))))
[12:54:29] kristens : werty: about what?
[12:54:55] admin : you have 10 more minutes.. so get more questions ready!! or
werty will fall asleep :D
[12:55:01] abdallah.ahmed : hi are there any chances that questions asked last
exam can be asked again
[12:55:12] mrtaza : {abdallah.ahmed} change ur font colour ;)
[12:55:14] werty : {abdallah.ahmed} Change colour, please!
[12:55:15] mrtaza : thank you
[12:55:29] mrtaza : Hi Guys! good luck for june :)
[12:55:44] werty : {Mrtaza} Thanks Mr T
[12:55:57] preet : werty one last question where can i find revision kit 2010
[12:56:01] ukjoyia : {werty} any final advice
[12:56:05] mrtaza : {werty} no worries :)
[12:56:07] candijordan : explain to me something how am i to accomplish that?
for instance lets just say postal rule comes up just state waht the postal rule says
and say as decided in an earlier case....
[12:56:12] werty : {preet} Where are you based?
[12:56:25] preet : glasgow
[12:56:30] werty : {ukjoyia} You make it sound that the end of life as we know
it!
[12:56:46] werty : Read, read, read, read, ........
[12:57:00] abdallah.ahmed : hi it's me again. is there any chance last years
questions can be asked again
[12:57:05] ukjoyia : that's what i was doin n missed the session
[12:57:37] preet : <u><a href='http://www.accaglobal.com/pubs/students/
publications/student_accountant/archive/sa_jan10_kelly.pdf'
target='_blank'>http://www.accaglobal.com/pubs/students/publications/
student_accountant/archive/sa_jan10_kelly.pdf </a></u>
[12:58:18] candijordan : also how much time should we be spending on a
subject
[12:58:32] kristens : just calculate
[12:58:33] preet : {werty} i asked kalpan but they said it will take time
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[12:59:06] werty : {candijordan} No, in a q 8 scenario type question, it could be
that postakl rule raises its head. You can state ( without mentioning any case )
that the postal rule in this instance does ( or does not ) apply. The only realistic
chance that you need to know a case to illustrate such a specific ...
[12:59:35] edecre : do you all study on BPP books? am I the only one with
Kaplan?
[12:59:45] werty : question is if it says ( in qs 1 - 7 ) "Explain the postal rule"
and for reasons stated earlier, it's pretty unlikely
[12:59:49] ukjoyia : yeah bpp is more detailed
[12:59:56] edecre : about tort and remoteness of damage, I read the article on
Student Accountant 12/2009, do you have any other advice? it's definitely a
difficult area to understand..
[13:00:12] werty : {abdallah.ahmed} yes, there's always a chance. It's pretty
unlikely, but there's a chance
[13:00:19] tracy1305 : I got Kpaln and Get through guides
[13:00:26] mohinee18 : kaplan is better i guess
[13:00:45] edecre : well, I'm not alone then
[13:00:50] werty : {candijordan} you've got 26 days left - you do the sums!
depends on how many papers you are attempting
[13:00:57] mrtaza : {candijordan} depends person to person i would say and it
depends on you how early you finish/acheieve your targets targets=past papers/
kit/study text ....that is how i define my time
[13:01:03] mrtaza : yep
[13:01:05] werty : {Kristens} :-)
[13:01:13] candijordan : ok
[13:01:18] candijordan : thanks
[13:01:27] candijordan : when is there another session
[13:01:47] werty : {edecre} There's a past exam question in the BPP rev kit can't remember the q number
[13:02:37] werty : {candijordan} watch for an announcement on the site, and
also in the F4 forum
[13:03:03] ukjoyia : hope you get another session soon.. as i said i missed this
one
[13:03:04] abdallah.ahmed : been reading kaplan and they a cite a case western
excavating v sharp where the employee succeded in his claim for constructive
dismissal bpp say otherwise am confused?
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[13:03:30] candijordan : ok thank you
[13:03:39] preet : {werty} from where can i get revision kit 2010 now
[13:03:57] werty : {abdallah.ahmed} I don't know the case - it's not in my
repertoire. Have you looked it up in Google?
[13:04:11] mrtaza : {edecre} <u><a href='http://opentuition.com/groups/f4corporate-and-business-law/forum/topic/what-is-remoteness-of-damages-in-tortand-contract/#post-14074' target='_blank'>http://opentuition.com/groups/f4corporate-and-business-law/forum/topic/what-is-remoteness-of-damages-in-tortand-contract/#pos
[13:04:13] werty : {preet} BPP? FTCKaplan?
[13:05:18] werty : Guys and gals - it's 5 past the hour. I'll give you 5 more
minutes, but then I'm out of here
[13:05:39] preet : is it not possible to find from any library
[13:05:54] abdallah.ahmed : i have read the student article on supreme court.
what could be a likely scenario question?
[13:06:04] werty : {preet} Is there a problem using google?
[13:06:20] preet : no
[13:06:32] werty : {abdallah.ahmed} Most unlikely! It's a question 1 possibility,
not a scenario matter
[13:07:03] abdallah.ahmed : thank you
[13:07:05] werty : Questions?
[13:07:07] edecre : thanks a lot Mrtaza!
[13:07:17] ukjoyia : any gusses on last three question from where would they
appear?
[13:07:35] werty : {ukjoyia} look at the tips - soon to be tweaked!
[13:07:56] werty : {werty} but look also at BPP tips and FTCK tips
[13:08:22] werty : 2 minutes
[13:09:06] mrtaza : {edecre} your welcome
[13:09:28] ukjoyia : would the session b available in any form on the site later?
[13:09:30] werty : 1 minute
[13:09:37] kristens : 55 sec
[13:09:43] werty : and counting
[13:09:53] edecre : thanks for your time werty, chat to you next time, in the
meanwhile I'll listen to your lectures :d
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[13:09:54] mrtaza : {ukjoyia} yes
[13:09:58] mrtaza : chat history
[13:10:06] werty : Can you imagine taking the Queen to court?
[13:10:19] werty : {edecre} Thanks\
[13:10:34] werty : R v R?
[13:10:45] ukjoyia : no
[13:11:42] kristens : gonna take the Queen to my private court
[13:12:25] werty : Tennis court?
[13:12:25] jatinkalra : is the chat over
[13:12:33] werty : {jatinkalra} It is now!
[13:12:45] kristens : yes - u r right
[13:12:52] jatinkalra : yeah i see that
[13:12:59] kristens : thanks for your time
[13:14:00] werty : {Kristens} welcome
[13:15:00] ukjoyia : {werty} thank you
[13:15:07] werty : {ukjoyia} welcome
[13:15:16] jatinkalra : the notes are excellent but could you tell me how many
cases would be required?
[13:15:50] kristens : 150
[13:16:04] werty : {Kristens} You have a wicked sense of humour!
[13:16:24] jatinkalra : yeah gave me a scare
[13:16:51] werty : {jatinkalra} You need as many as you can remember. the
more, the merrier
[13:16:57] khanasad : hello .....who is the tutor?
[13:17:19] kristens : hello..the party is over
[13:17:28] khanasad : really
[13:17:33] khanasad : hmmm
[13:17:34] khanasad : ok
[13:18:07] kristens : as you can see below..the clock is 07:18 PM...the chat
started at 06:00 pm..so the 1 hour chat is over
[13:18:15] werty : {khanasad} and drinks have stopped being served
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