CFFICE OF U . S . CHIEF OF COUNSEL
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FOR THE PROSECUTION OF AXES CRIMINALITY
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INTERROGATION DIVISION SUMMARY
Interrogation of: ERNST KALTENBRUNNER
By-
Lt.Col. Brookhart
DATE:
27 October 1%5
P.M.
PLACE: Nureriberg
i PERSONS IMPLICATED AND SUBJECTS
1.
KALTENBRUNNER
a.
2.
3.
Relation to Mueller, Nobe, Ohlendorff, and Schellenberg ( l O - l l ) .
HIMMLER: Relation to other m i n i s t r i e s (fc-5).
R.S.H.A.
a.
I t s structure-* s i x S e c t i o n heads named: ( l ) SAEHRLINGER; ( 2 ) SPACIL;
(3) OHLENDORF; (4) MUELLER; (5) NEBE, ( 6 ) SCHELLENBERG (5-8)*
b.
c.
Limitations by Himmler of Kaltenbrunner's functions (7-10).
Skorzony, as example of operation ( 6 - 7 ) .
RELATIONSHIP OF HIMMLER TO OTHER MINISTRIES IN THE REICH
On pages 1 - 5 (in t h e course of drawing a c h a r t ) outlines the r e l a t i o n ship of Himmler to t h e Party and Nazi Governmental s t r u c t u r e (pages 1 - 5 ) .
THE STRUCTURE OF THE R.S.H.A.
On pages 5 - 8 Kaltenbrunner outlines i n rough form the s t r u c t u r e of t h e
R.S.H.A. Amt 1, headed by Saehrlinger (Personnel); Ant 2, headed by Spacil
(Financial Section); Amt 3 , headed by Ohlendorf (SD, I n t e r i o r ) ; Ant A, headed
by Mueller (State P o l i c e ) ; Amt 5, headed by Nebe (Criminal P o l i c e ) ; Ant 6,
headed by Schellenberg (Foreign Service); Ant 7 (no information g i v e n ) .
Kaltenbrunner s t a t e s t h a t Departments 1, 2 , and 7 were offices of a
technical nature and i n s i g n i f i c a n t from t h e police viewpoint. Departments
3 and 6 were, respectively Secret Service i n I n t e r i o r and Secret Service abroad,
called SD-1 and SD-A ( p . 5 ) .
Kaltenbrunner s t a t e s t h a t there were instances where certain of the
personnel from the SD, for example, was used for s p e c i a l missions under j u r i s diction of the Wehrmacht or General Staff. These "controlling agencies" would
assume complete command of the mission and no reliance vrould be placed upon
the SD organization as such f o r i t s fulfilment ( p . 6 ) . Kaltenbrunner b i t e s
as a further example t h e work of Skorzeny (p.6—7).
Kaltenbrunner s t a t e s t h a t a t the time Himmler conferred the position of
Chief of t h e RSH on Kaltenbrunner, the l a t t e r was to be held responsible only
for the matter of i n t e r n a l information — Himmler t o reta i n a l l of the powers
of an executive nature which Heydrich had formerly held (p.7-10). "The general
impression i n o f f i c i a l c i r c l e s , when I was appointed was that while Himmler had
withheld from me those executive functions, he probably had the i n t e n t i o n of
giving them t o me by and by" ( p . 1 0 ) .
In matters pertaining to t h e i n t e r n a l organization K s t a t e d t h a t
witnesses Mueller and.Schellenberg could not be t r u s t e d , Ohlendorff could be
trusted (p.11).