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In answer to the question ‘If you had to choose which proposal to
recommend, which one would it be?’ the following comments were
submitted in support of keeping the second pump at Pontypridd or
keeping both Porth fire station and keeping the second pump at
Pontypridd:
These comments are shown in the table below under the following headings:
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2.
Keep Pontypridd second pump
Keep both Porth fire station and the second pump at Pontypridd.
Note:
Please note that the comments are shown exactly as entered on the survey.
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Keep Pontypridd second pump
There are four fire stations in the Rhondda close to each other for area cover,
While Pontypridd fire station covers a large town two major education
establishments, a large industrial estate, a large area of domestic housing.
and a major trunk road A470.
The second appliance in Pontypridd could cover the Porth area as well as the
appliances in Tonypandy. The second appliance in Pontypridd covers a more
populated area.
With the good road link to Porth Ponty could cocer
Due to porth only having a population of 6000ish. Much less risk and other
stations can cover that patch
If it is purely down to financial cut backs that we are reducing the safety of the
public then surely it would free up more money by closing a whole station and
selling the land rather than paying for two stations to operate. Also
pontypridd's population is a lot larger and there are a lot more large
institutions in the near area.
Pontypridd has a population to cover of over 60,000 while porth covers
around only 6,000 and can be covered by tonypandy.
Because Porth ain't a big place and Ponty is only 10 minutes away. have you
learnt to know how to tackle a fire?
Pontypridd and tony pandy can cover porth
Points stated above think of the amount of schools, businesses, care homes
and thats before we consider a growing University and all the student
housing. Pontypridd is expanding with new housing developments there are
so many reasons I dont see it as a hard decision.
Students are very careless so need to be covered quickly. Port is a small
area and doesn't need as much care compared to Pontypridd.
it would be more likely a cheaper option than keeping two fire stations open
Pontypridd fire station is very close to the A470 which makes it easier to get
to respond to calls local and further away. There is a local university with
thousands of student in the local area, over 20 schools locally, local
hospitals, care homes and the local Pontypridd town center!! How are the fire
fighters expected to keep us safe and protect us all with one fire engine???
Pontypridd covers such a large area that it is impossible fir them to be able to
protect our Comunity with one fire engine!! Its absolutely ridicules!
Looking at your page Porth is surrounded by neighbouring stations which can
respond into porth however when Pontypridd get a call a second truck is
needed for emergency cover for the a470 and other risks
Mainly, due to the size and population difference of the two areas. Porth I
believe only had just short of 7000 people living in the area. Porth is not an
area which is expanding either, unlike pontypridd (University,housing
developments,Care homes)
Pontypridd are not only covering a large area but a growing area. With also
specialised appliance on the station which support many fire engine it's a vital
part of the town and other area across South Wales.
I don't want either proposal to go through but if i.had to pick then it would be
to close Porth. I live on the same street as the Pontypridd fire station, so i
need.to be loyal to those who may lose their jobs there. Its a disgusting
situation to be in for both
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Keep Pontypridd second pump
Pontypridd area covers much bigger area- lots of villages all increasing in
size new housing estates church village and beddau
There will still be a fire engine I'm Pontypridd
Porth is not too far from pontypridd so would not be too difficult to get to with
lights on
There is plenty of fire cover within the rhonnda area . Tonypandy first
appliance can respond within 5 mins to porth area . And other pumps can
within an 10 to 12 minwindow
Other stations are reasonably close
If I had to choose and I wish I didn't have to it would be this option.
This is a smaller area than ponty and with the university close hy there is
always the risk of pan fires etc. There are many incidents in the summer
months of grass fires in the treff / Ponty area that regularly need the local fire
service
Pontypridd has a much higher population number. I also live in pontypridd so
it makes sense to me.
I live in the Pontypridd area
The valleys are covered by numerous pumps . The new bypass from ferndale
to porth will reduce the time it takes they to travel down . Plus u have
tonypandy who have 2 pumps and can be in porth in under 5 or 8 minutes .
U also have fire cover from ponty station as well
The valleys are covered by numerous pumps . The new bypass from ferndale
to porth will reduce the time it takes they to travel down . Plus u have
tonypandy who have 2 pumps and can be in porth in under 5 or 8 minutes .
U also have fire cover from ponty station as well
well i live in pontypridd.
not in my area
just looking at the risks in both areas, pontypridd are at a massive
disadvantage. Its my own area and i do not want to lower the fire cover in my
area
Only because I live in ponty and my kids lives are at risk
How can one fire engine cover the whole of pontypridd, population of around
70-80 thousand people and for ever growing industry. Also university is
expanding as well as houses being built all around pontypridd. Porth have
around 6000 population and this could be covered by other fire stations such
as tonypandy, gilfach, abercynon just as an example.
Due to its location near to 2 whole time stations. Time it takes to turn out.
Improvement in roads to all areas since it opened.
Due to its location near to 2 whole time stations. Time it takes to turn out.
Improvement in roads to all areas since it opened.
There will still be a station at Pontypridd
Due to having enough fire cover in the surrounding area of Porth. Where as
Pontypridd cover a much larger area and need the resources.
Porth at least has cover from Tonypandy & Ferndale fire stations (although
Ferndale isn't a ideal support). I believe that Pontypridd's location in the local
geography leaves it vulnerable to any reduction in fire service provision, and
the nearby location of the USW campus (Treforest & Glyntaf being home to
chemistry, eletrical engineering & lighting technology courses) & halls of
residence (over 1000 students in halls alone) should be a serious
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Keep Pontypridd second pump
consideration in this.
Im a retired firefighter and used to be on call in pontypridd. I know the areas
that Ponty cover, and is far too big for just one appliance. Not to mention all
the high population areas. University.
Pontypridd is close to the A470 so can get to wider areas quickly, they have
an excellent reputation with the locals & i wouldnt like to see that change.
Pontypridd have many schools, hospitals, university, town centre, collage etc
local that cannot be protected with one fire engine!
Pontypridd is closer to my home. Do not close it.
Because I would hate to see my local fire engine leave. Iv had to use their
services and they were amazing. 2 fire engines were outside my house in
minutes
Amount of schools, university students, industrial estates, care homes, new
housing, population, busy town centre, remote communities in Pontypridd
mean I have to say shut Porth
More Risk in Pontypridd. Sad to say it but I feel thay more lives would be lost
if Pontypridd lose a fire engine
Quickest response would be from a manned not an unmanned station
Pontypridd is a far bigger town which needs more one fire engine and I have
a lot of family living in pontypridd
I'm assuming Tonypandy fire station is near enough to cover Porth, but
Pontypridd is a large area which cannot be covered by one unit.
As Pontypridd has a bigger risk area
The valleys are covered by numerous pumps . The new bypass from ferndale
to porth will reduce the time it takes they to travel down . Plus u have
tonypandy who have 2 pumps and can be in porth in under 5 or 8 minutes .
U also have fire cover from ponty station as well
Pontypridd has a growing population, especially considering the growth of the
University of South Wales. With the population growing there will be more risk
already without taking away a pump in Pontypridd. Pontypridd station covers
many more people than porth. Pontypridd station covers an industrial area
aswell as a growing community.
Pontypridd is a growing place and needs two fire engines. Porth is a very
small community with other local stations that could cover the area.
The population of Pontypridd is more densely populated with an increase in
the population during term time.
Treforest firestation is a central location between the valleys & North Cardiff.
Close the A470, & the M4 Treforest fire crews can mobile & get to an incident
in minutes. Porth cannot
Due to the very high occupancy of houses by students in the area, i believe
that there is a far higher risk for fires to be started accidentally by them, or of
fires being caused by poorly maintained gas and electric appliances and
circutry in rented accommodation, than perhaps in other residential areas.
Pontypridd is closer to where I live
Because pontypridd and tonypandy can respond into Porth quickly
Because there is sufficient provision between pontypridd and tonypandy
Porth is more of. Hub in the rhondda
going by the research i have just googled. im not from either area, but stats
clearly show that pontypridd is huge in comparison to porth. needing 2 fire
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Keep Pontypridd second pump
engines. tonypanyds and pontypridd can cover porth
Worth area can be covered by Pontypridd, tonypandy and ferndale
Pontypridd is a huge area with a big population removing them would be
criminal
Because tonypandy and Pontypridd can get to porth quickly enough to cover
any emergency
Because tonypandy and Pontypridd can maintain the same response time as
at present.
Because tonypandy and Pontypridd can cover porth
Response times are the same without Porth
On certain days of the week there is only one ambulance based in
Pontypridd, and responding to more than treble the calls.
"We are all supposed to be in this together".
Because ponty and tony panda can get there anyway
As a member of the Treforest Community, im looking after my local Fire
Station
As stated above I don't think either fire station should be affected but
obviously I have to support the one on which I may need in an emergency.
Tonypandy is very close by and can cover, we need to make service as cost
effective as possible. I know from experience that Porth tends to be operated
by Wayne and crew as more of a social club, I used to be a retained
firefighter and feel that Pontypridd is best served by the existing proposals
and that Porth could manage with Tonypandy being so close.
Because more money can be saved by closing Porth
Close to other stations
Purely selfish as I live in Pontypridd
Because of th increased savings from th removal of the station buiing
Neither, no fire stations should close. You do a great job.
Not either
I would not choose to close any fire station or reduce any fire cover.
there is more firemen at pontypridd station so there is more cover available.
also it would be cheaper just to keep the retained going at ponty station as it
already has a wholetime system aswell. it would only take 3 minutes from
pontypridd station to porth and would be even quicker with the wholetime
duty responding. also it is easier to get cover at ponty station as there is a
higher population to recruit from.
Ponty has loads of risks in the area and covers a huge population. Uni is
getting bigger. More students. More houses.
I don't!!! How can you cut firefighters. We need them. Ponty is my local
station so I would rather keep this.
I don't!!! How can you cut firefighters. We need them. Ponty is my local
station so I would rather keep this.
Pontypridd has a large area and an ever going population and industry. One
fire appliance can't cover this, so if I had to make this decision I would
remove porth as it's a small town and could be covered by other near by
stations.
Pontypridd has a larger population also the university and all the student
accommodations also the industrial estate
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Keep Pontypridd second pump
Porth is tiny compared to Ponty. So less risk
Pontypridd is expanding!! I'm a building site manager of redraw and know of
many new build houses going on over the next few years.
Pontypridd has a population of 80000 people and is forever growing and
rising industry, one is not enough to cover this!!
Pontypridd covers 79000 people and growing. The university is expanding
and more students are coming into Pontypridd. There are many new build
home developments also, bring ping new residents and again more people.
Pontypridd covers around 20 schools, 3 industrial estates, university of South
Wales, colleges, big town centre, hospitals and care homes. A lot of high risk
areas! What does porth have? 6000 people and a supermarket and deprived
town centre.
Because porth has a much smaller area to cover.
Because I live in the Pontypridd area and if effects me and my family. What a
stupid idea. How can you get rid of a fire engine covereig so much area? It's
going to take for so,e one to be seriously injured or die until something has to
be done. Then it's too late.
Next nearest station for porth is tonypandy. They can get in to porth before
porth turn out.(they used to anyhow, before I retired) Pontypridd is too big for
one appliance.
I live in Pontypridd so if will effect me more!
I live in Pontypridd so if will effect me more!
Pontypridd is expanding greatly. How can one fire engine cover all of this
area?
The population of Pontypridd is far greater than that of Porth and is
continually increasing through new housing developments and the ever
growing student population. Porth can be covered by Pontypridd and
Tonypandy quite comfortably.
More economical sense!
Tonypandy can get there just as quickly. Pontypridd service can help more
easily with road accidents on a470
Because we must think of pontypridd
Because we must think of pontypridd
This will provide a unified team used to training and working together, it will
offer the best flexibility for the manning of all appliances at the one station
ensuring the availability of the on call appliance utilising wholetime firefighters
from the same station and removing the need for additional payments
consequential on sending them to a remote on call station; it will also address
the problems arising from lone working should it be necessary to send
personnel to an unmanned on call station.
Because tonypandy and Pontypridd can respond in Porth quicker
More risk in ponty bigger area and more people. It's also growing with the
UNI and new housing developments.
Pontypridd is a more central area, allowing it to cover from Talbot Green up
towards Tonypandy, where Porth have to come through Pontypridd to get to
areas such as Talbot Green. It's a simple and obvious decision in my opinion.
Porth is tiny and can be reached by tonypandy in the same time it takes
porth. Pontypridd is a massive area and one fire engine can not cover all of
this.
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Keep Pontypridd second pump
Pontypridd just seems huge in comparison to porth. A lot more risk in the
area too.
Pontypridd is expanding and Porth isn't so if you had to choose, I would close
Porth
Cuts everywhere so too much fire cover
Porth can be covered by whole time fire engines
Porth is only 5 min from tonypandy due to new road ,keep Pontypridd and it
must make sense to close porth.
Porth is only 5 min from tonypandy due to new road ,keep Pontypridd and it
must make sense to close porth.
Pontypridd has a population of 70,000+, porth has a population of 7,000
Pontypridd has a population of 70,000+, porth has a population of 7,000
Pontypridd is my local station and I fully support them due to requiring their
services when I had a fire at my home. In no time at all there were 2 fire
engines outside my house. Without their quick response things could have
been so much worse.
Pontypridd is at least ten times the size of Porth. so it needs more resources
or people will be as a greater risk. On the topicmof risk, pontypridd has many.
It's a simple decision. Pontypridd's population is huge compared to Porths
and is expanding by the day with the university and new housing
developments.
Pontypridd fire station covers a far larger populated area and therefore needs
the second appliance. Porth can be covered by other nearby stations and
completely closing a station would save more money than simply removing
an appliance.
Ponty much larger area and Porth can be covered easily.
Tonypandy station is nearer to Porth than Porth is to Pontypridd, therefore
there is less risk to the public by closing Porth.
If I had to choose but hope I won't have to then I would look to protect my
own community.
The Rhondda is well served by Tonypandy and Treorchy. It is more efficient
for an engine to get thro traffic at peak hours from Treforest than Porth
southwards.
It's incredibly difficult to choose either but on the balance I feel keeping the
strength of Pontypridd fire station is preferable due to the size of the area
covered and what it contains.
It is essential to have the reassurance and availability of a Fire Station in this
area. Pontypridd is too far away especially with the awful traffic delays due to
so many traffic lights experienced in Pontypridd
saftey
jobs
Pontypridd is by far bigger than porth, requiring more appliances. The
population is growing continuously with the university, new house builds and
the new swimming pool which is happening soon.(bringing in apparently Tens
of thousands of people)
Pontypridd is a central location for Porth and RCT as a whole and needs to
be the hub for all local services.
Pontypridd is a larger town and has closer access to the a470so the fire
engine will be able to access other areas eg aberdare, treforedt, and church
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Keep Pontypridd second pump
village much quicker as well as being within close proximity to the Rhondda
valleys.
As above
As stated above, the risk factors in Pontypridd far out ways those in Porth.
Porth is easily accessible by Pontypridd and tonypandy stations.
Last week Tonypandy fire appliance beat porth to alarms at beatus factory
next door to porth fire station that is why.
Pontypridd fire station serves a much bigger area and leaving it with one
pump would be dangerous!
If forced to make a decision, it would be perhaps wiser to close Porth fire
station over removing a fire appliance from Pontypridd, due to the fact that
Pontypridd is a large town that has numerous and various fire hazards;
including a large student accommodation area.
Cost effective, losing expense extra to maintaining another building
Porth area can be covered adequately by Tonypandy and Pontypridd, whilst
any reduction in fire over is regrettable, efficiencies in the face of budget cuts
must be sought.
Because Tonypandy and Pontypridd can serve the community in Porthcawl
Because Tonypandy and Pontypridd can serve the community in Porthcawl
Because Tonypandy and Pontypridd can serve the community in Porthcawl
Be aus of the difficulty in recruiting personnel to the rds
Over provision in the valley
Save more money by closing a station
As I said before out of the two proposals closing Porth would have the least
impact and would save the most money.
Because Pontypridd and Tonypandy will provide adequate cover
Because its further away from me
Jobs at risk
There are other stations within close proximity to Porth so fire cover will not.
be affected as much as removing. the retained from Pontypridd.
For purely selfish reasons I guess. The greater the scope for protection of my
family and friends, will always get my vote.
Tony pandy 1st and 2nds can attend in the sane time as porth rds
Pontypridd is a growing area and porth is very small with lots of other stations
close by
By closing one station you are reducing costs of the building, the
maintenance and running costs and the appliances. I'm not sure that ponty
can cope with an increase in geographic coverage. Perhaps by closing porth
you could save enough to respite some of the staff and equipment.
You have a full time stations in Tonypandy which is about three miles from
Porth and Pontypridd which is about four miles and as stated in your report
these engines would arrive before the Porth engine.is activeted.
Pontypridd is central to everywhere.
Ponty is a much bigger area and also Porth isnt that far from porth anyway.
Closing the fire stations is not a good way of budget cutting! There are other
places to cut budget this will put lives in danger.
I believe the Pontypridd station has easier access to more direct routes i.e
A470, M4 during major emergencies.
as I live in abercynon area I feel the need to keep Pontypridd station open.
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Keep Pontypridd second pump
we only have part time service in our village so Pontypridd is crucial to the
valleys
effective, more savings, more FF power
because it makes more sense
Because it makes more sense
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because it makes sense to me
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because it makes more sense
Ponty will still have another pump
because it makes more sense
because it makes more sense
because it makes more sense
because it makes more sense
because it makes more sense
because it makes more sense
because it makes more sense to me
Based on population, businesses and sheer growth of Pontypridd it's a simple
decision as porth is situated between Pontypridd and Tonypandy stations.
Because like many people, I am selfish. I live in the area covered by
Pontypridd, and am anxious to protect me and mine. However, it also seems
very wrong simply to cut public services when so many people (politicians
and bankers particularly) are still living the good life.
Removing the second pumping appliance from Pontypridd increases the risks
to both my personal and professional life. Working at the University, I can see
on a daily basis the large numbers of students that live on campus and
commute to the University. Decreasing the cover available will have a
detrimental impact on the safety of our students, especially when considering
the types of degrees we offer - engineering / chemical /lab work, where
accidents could happen. I am concerned that if a major incident would occur
on the A470, as is common, then the one pump would be commissioned to
attend. This would then mean no further cover for any incident on campus, at
my children's school in Gartholwg, or for my home in Coed - y - Cwm.
As a student at the university I have personally had house mates cause
issues due to being drunk in the house I think this would increase the risk to
me and for that reason I think the two engines need to stay in pontypridd
I live with smokers and worry for my safety if the fire engines are further away
from me
I don't know porth but I live on Oxford street and the fire station seems very
busy as engines always going out so think it would be bad idea to remove
one of them as put more pressure on the other one and could cost lives
Pontypridd is a big place and lots of students like myself who need to feel
protected
Pontypridd is central
Bigger risk area
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Keep Pontypridd second pump
Pontypridd is more central and 2 vehicles are twice as efficient as 1. Makes
more sense to have the extra appliance.
I live in Pontypridd so the chances are I'm covered by the Pontypridd engine.
Sorry!!
Looking at the background information regarding the review it clearly shows
that both Tonypandy and Pontypridd 1st can cover the whole of Porth's
patch. Whereas it clearly shows that Porth are unable to cover the whole of
Pontypridds patch. Coupling this with the increased saving of removing Porth
(£250,000 + sale of land) compared to Pontypridd (£125,000).
Statistical analysis is great and a vital tool but removing Pontypridd will only
lead to increased deaths from fires and RTC as the area changes to meet the
growing needs of the community. The road structure changes have made a
larger number of areas accessible to commuters, also allowing faster travel
times for fire crews to access to and from the valleys. If you look at Treforest
alone it is becoming a more multi cultural and diverse area due to the
increasing numbers of international students living in private student
accommodation due to the high costs of on campus accommodation. This will
only lead to the increased need of more community fire safety campaigns, to
try and educate these students on an annual basis due to the high volume
change in residency each year. We are passionate about protecting our
community and the loss of over 800 hours community safety work will also
have a detrimental impact on the area.
Pontypridd is one of the highest growth areas in South Wales due to great
transport links and there being more affordable housing then Cardiff.
The proximity of the A470 and M4 also means the station will be perfectly
placed at its new location to deal with the increasing business expected on
Welsh trunk roads, due to the toll charge being removed or decreasing in
2018.
The proposed move to an Upper Boat site will also increase the ability to
recruit personal to staff the retained appliance due to the increased number
of houses that will now fall within the stations 5 minute turn out area. This has
previously been an issue as the station in located in the middle of a large
student population. This in turn will increase the RDS crew’s ability to be
available 100% of the time.
In the last 7 years the RDS crew has come a long way with currently every
member having completing their development period and becoming a fully
competent crew. This is all been down to the hard work of the watch and the
successful implementation of putting a WDS Watch Manager in charge to
manage the crew.
Tonypandy is less than five mins away.
Pontypridd covers a wider area with more multi occupancy premises
including university, colleges and a number of schools.
There are three other stations in the Rhondda. Also with the by-pass roads
response times can be achieved by other stations
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Keep Pontypridd second pump
Because I live in Pontypridd my choice is obvous
Pontypridd fire station serves a large urban community which includes a
large; industrial area and also the largest university in Wales … as well as a
Victorian shopping centre. The town is surrounded on all sides by mostly
common land. We have lived in an area directly adjoining this land and have
experienced for our selves the fear that comes with summer 'wild' fires
encroaching on the edge of the town.
I don't want any fire stations to shut, but this survey only asks me to select 2
options. I have no information on what the closure of Porth Fire Station will
mean, but since I am concerned about the risk of coverage in the Pontypridd
area, then I am showing preference to keep the second appliance at
Pontypridd. If there is only 1 vehicle, how can this possibly cover the entire
area. With the amount of arson/grass fires in the area of Pontypridd, if the
only remaining appliance gets called to that incident and a house fire or fire
endangering lives occurs, then lives will be a at risk waiting for another
appliance to come from another area. This is wrong, endangering lives.
Jobs would be at risk, highly skilled jobs, what a waste of public money and
skill - a total loss. Look at budget cuts that do not risk lives.
if rationalisation is the issue and knowing the access and response time of
other stations, this regrettably is the adversely affected station
because the Pontypridd station could get to a fire in Porth quicker than Porth
could
too far from my home
too far from my home
too far from home
The pontypridd fire engines cover a far bigger area with a larger population.
Closing an entire station would save more money to hopefully avoid further
cuts.
Pontypridd fire cover so many places ie: university, schools,old people
homes,and so many other place's and homeowners. .
Purely a selfish one, I live in Pontypridd and this is the more local to me.
Pontypridd is hugely growing which increases risk. Porth can not grow any
more.
Where I live there are loads of students and hmo's. A very high risk area.
Students, in my eyes are the most careless. Always drunk. Cooking whilst
drunk.
Pontypridd is massive in comparison to porth. And getting bigger
Porth can be covered by other stations in the same time. Pontypridd covers a
huge area and has a high population due to schools, Uni, and businesses.
Ponty can cover porth
save more money
save more money in the long run
better efficiency
more cost effective
Pontypridd & Tonyrefail can get to Porth more quickly
because 15 and 10 can get to Porth quickly
if Pontypridd and Tonypandy can responsd to Porth quickly enough it should
be close...but we shouldnt have to
first response doesn't change
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Keep Pontypridd second pump
Porth is between Pontypridd and Tonypandy
The second pumping appliance is necessary to keep the whole of the
pontypridd, and porth area safe. How someone thinks a single engine can
serve a town of thousands of people is ridiculous. This is especially harmful
to many people in the summer as teenagers often set mountain fires in areas
such as Graig, the Common, and Graigwen. It's impossible for one fire
engine to tackle this alone.
over-staffed in that area
times have changed with industry and jobs going and our roads are better
linked. cannot afford to keep everything as it was
because Pontypridd is capable of getting to Porth quickly with Tonypandy so
there is no need for Porth
Porth is further away from Aberdare
because whole-time stations can get there more quickly
When you see the growth of the Pontypridd area it scary to think that
appliance will be removed.
Pontypridd covers a larger area and the porth area can easily be covered by
Pontypridd and the other fire stations
I believe removing the second pumping appliance from Pontypridd would put
lives at risk. How is one pumping appliance expected to cover the whole of
the Pontypridd area?
Pontypridd covers a larger area.
Pontypridd covers a wider area and is a growing community. The University
is expanding and there are many new housing projects in the area. I believe
that one fire engine would not be able to cover such a large area, leaving
peoples lives at risk.
This area can be covered by the other stations more easily. There are a lot
of high risk bulidings in the Pontypridd area
There needs to be some sort of fast response service for local communities
to deal with emergencies. Back up can be sent from elsewhere. However if
there are an abundance of fire stations in the valleys then I'd close Porth.
With the size and population of pontypridd I would feel the area would remain
a safer place knowing there is at least 2 appliances covering the town and
that vital minutes are saved by having 2 compared to having to wait for an
appliance to arrive from another station further away
I live in ponty
Because the pontypridd fire station covers such a wide area that only having
1 pump puts everyone at risk.
Pontypridd has a rapidly growing community, more cover will be needed in
the coming years not less.
Ponty could cover porth
I think this area has less call outs than Pontypidd. Pontypridd station can
cover a more densely populated area also with the access to the A470. There
would be nothing wrong with putting the full-time crew on standby in porth.
Leaving pontypridd and the surrounding area cover by the retained service.
Purely due to the university and the population surrounding this.
Pontypridd is the most central station and there for can get to an incerdent
more directly
are would be covered equally from Pandy or Pontypridd
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Keep Pontypridd second pump
less risk in area
uni is very large, lots of people in the ponty area, one fire engine cannot
protect such a large area!
the station is already put under enough strain with 2 engines. they are
extremely hard working and have a brilliant reputation in ponty area. one
engine will not be able to protect the large area
all the cuts are terrible, pontypridd is such a large area that one engine
cannot proteect all of the community. lives will be lost because of the cuts!
our local area is too large for one engine
ponty is such a large area it is not safe for a fire engine to be taken away, the
fire fighters are already put under huge pressure, it is absolutaly rediculous
local area needs to be kept safe. one fire engine cannot do this
Porth is a very small area compared with Pontypridd and Pontypridd could
cover Porth's area anyway
lives will be lost! ponty is too big an area for one engine
the fire station is already under enough strain. pontypridd connot stay safe
with one engine
Porth in such a small area with a few close by fire engines to cover that area
ie Tonypandy, Pontypridd, Gilfach
one engine cannot protect the whole of the ponty area
Porth is such a small area witha few close by fire engines to cover that area
ie Tonypandy, Pontypridd, Gilfach
much larger area to cover with Porth only being a relatively small area
one engine cannot keep the whole of ponty safe. lives will be lost due to cuts
Pontys two fire engines could cover Porths small area. Porth could not cover
all of Pontys area
because I know Tonypandy is very close to Porth and Ponty wouldn't take
that long to get into Porths area too so Porth I don't feel will be that worse off
Porth is a much smaller area than Pontypridd and I'm sure Porth area could
be covered by neighbouring stations
Porths area is relatively small and could I think be pretty well covered by
nearby stations like Pontypridd and Tonypandy which could both get to that
area very quickly
feel safe with knowing the area is protected! one engine connot do this
because Pontypridd is a much larger area compared with Porth and therfore
shuold have more fire appliances in that area
population is pontypridd is fast growing. one fire engine cannot possibly cover
the local area and ponty will no longer feel safe and protected by our already
under pressure local firestation.
dont think should close any but I think it would be less of an impact closing
Porths fire station
the local fire station of ponty have been amazing in the local community, the
safety of ponty is very important and one engine cannot protect us
Treforest is not too far from Porth with a good road
local area around porth is already covered by other fire stations. ponty station
has an excellent reputation around the ponty area and they so an amazing
job
ponty us tii karge for one fire engine to protect the community of ponty
lives will be lost if a fire engine is taken away from ponty station. the area is
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Keep Pontypridd second pump
too large for one engine alone
ponty area is so large it is impossible for the firestation to protect out town
with one fire engine. the cuts are only going to put more pressure on the local
station and lives will be lost
ponty area is too big of an area to cover with one fire engine
saves more money
ponty would reach porth quick enough
the appliance will reach porth as soon as retained porth crew would turn out
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Keep both Porth fire station and the second pump at Pontypridd.
None, pool all your expensive cars and maintain OUR Fire Service
Niether
Neither as the publics health and safety are the priority
Neither as the publics health and safety are the priority
Neither. I would revert cuts to to the highest earners within the council and
not cut front line services.
Neither, both appliances save lives. The people making these decisions
obviously do not live in either of the areas that these appliances keep safe.
None
Neither as people will suffer from both proposals.
None
neither all areas need to equally valued and safe
We shouldn't have to choose between them
Both fire stations would still be open
No cuts when lives are at risk.
Neither !!
cdnt pick we need both the second app in ponty n need t keep porth station
open
Neither should close it a disgrace first education, now emergency services
totally discussing !!!
Neither, both proposals are ludicrous!!
Neither as we need both, if you remove the second pumping appliance from
Pontypridd then there are still lives at risk and the same goes if you close
Porth Fire Station, you are risking LIVES its just as simple as that.
In my experience, fire departments are extremely essential to the safety of
the entire community.
I wouldn't want to choose what a scary thought !
Its terrible we have to choose
Neither !!!!
I believe the service in Pontypridd MAYBE close enough to Porth and other
Rhondda stations. This shouldn't really be an option considering the vast dry
ex coal field environment and population of pontypridd and RCT. Both should
remain fully functional.
Neither! its crazy. Tell the government and council officers to take a pay cut
cos they are over paid and under worked unlike our emergency services!
Neither! its crazy. Tell the government and council officers to take a pay cut
cos they are over paid and under worked unlike our emergency services!
I would definately NOT choose either proposal!!
I don't agree with either
Because you have not offered a third option of 'neither'.
Cannot choose as both are important.
I would choose neither. Live is too precious
I woulkd choose neither option
To close essential things like fire stations you are risking people's lives. A fire
station is essential in close proximity to the affected area. In a few minutes
fires can kill, by adding 15 mins to a journey you ARE risking lives!
Neither should be removed as it will endanger lives!!
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Keep both Porth fire station and the second pump at Pontypridd.
Neither!
Neither, as both services are vital to the rct area!
None keep them both open !!!
Would prefer to keep both if possible.
I don't think either of the proposals are going to be good for either area
I don't think either of the proposals are going to be good for either area
Neither
Neither ideally
Neither
Neither - you have to stop cutting back on essentials and stop spending
money on ridiculous things. Publish the local spending and ask local
households who try to budget their money what they would spend the cash
on. It would not be cutting back on safety appliances.
I would rather see neither happening.
Neither it's a disgrace get rid of the surplus senior officers
I refuse to chose either option. Both fire stations serve large areas and are
both needes in the communitt!!
I would not recommend either
Would not recommend either
Neither !
This should not be considered a choice - it's like aaking to choose to save
one life or another based on location.
I wouldn't choose either. Which ever is decided to happen, it means that lives
somewhere along the line will be put at risk.
None
I would close neither, there must be a way to keep both running such as a
reduced daytime service
Both are completely IDIOTIC! Because there wasn't the none of the above
button, I had to choose the lesser of the two evils. If the person that
suggested this is reading this, and I hope he does, I hope you'll be in a
situation where you'll need the second pumping appliance or the Porth Fire
Department.
It seems only fair and right to keep the both stations open
Neither, both needed
None, there is no compromise
wouldn't recommend either as i could not live with myself if someone died
over a few pound
Neither
Neither , if cuts are to be made start with government and councils pay
packets as a tax payer and pay for these services so wishfor them to stay .
As tax payers our opinion counts and should be included in the decision
making .
Neither!
I cant agree to either
Surely its better to have a fire appliance in both communities,Porth and
pontypridd fire staitions. I know there are at least 2 fire appliance at
pontypridd because i pass there often walking my dog therefore removeing
the second pump from pontypridd would be less of a risk to both communities
I wouldn't recommend either and cannot favour one over the other.
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Keep both Porth fire station and the second pump at Pontypridd.
Neither. Both are equally important and it's ridiculous to be considering either.
Neither
porth fire station is nearer to my house.if for some reason my house is set on
fire,the nearest appliance is between 5-10 minutes away.i disagree with both
proposals.people will lose their jobs which is unfair.
keep them as they are
Ideally I wouldn't like to see Porth close but if this happened, maybe
Llwynypia's facilities could be expanded.
shouldn't have to make this choice
None equipment is vital if it helps in training and saves lives why get rid of it
its ridiculous
It is not correct to say that I recommend either proposal. But my house is in
Pontypridd.
I disagree with with takeiing a pumping appliance from Pontypridd and the
close of porth starion
Neither. At peak call times, both are necessary.
I wouldn't recommend either, Pontypridd is a large town and you need two
pumps to cover various aspects
Hobsons choise
Neither
There needs to be fire station all across the county not just in a few locations
which would increase the time taken to get to the incident, with possible
increase in life threatening situations. It's not the best option in my opinion as
we need all the brave souls in numerous locations to protect us all from
incidents, but it would be better to have many locations that to close some.
Neither
Keep both
Neither .... Increased risk!
Neither .... Increased risk!
Shouldn't have to choose.....need them both
NEITHER. DREADFUL proposal.
As stated above I don't think either fire station should be affected but
obviously I have to support the one on which I may need in an emergency.
None because risk of life is more important than any budget or deadline. If
there was one death from this closer it would be a disaster
More local time saves lives
I would not endorse either of these proposals. safety should be the only
criterion. Budget considerations are of negligible consequence by
comparison. I would not like to have to hold you to account following a loss of
life, or serious injury, which could have been prevented by having top rate
local services.
I would chose to lose fire cover.... Full stop! It's like asking, if I had to chose,
which leg would I cut off. Reduced cover is not a choice being offered, this is
a biased survey.
I cannot recomend either proposal.
It's important to keep a local presence, once it's gone its lost for good
What a question ! Neither
Its a close call, I know porth is closer to my home but as its retained and
pontypridd is man'd 24 hrs I would like to see the figures regarding the time
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Keep both Porth fire station and the second pump at Pontypridd.
difference as to who would arrive first.
However I would not want to lose either, with one less engine avaliable
where would the second engine come from should the remaining engine be
busy
I know we have Tonypandy and Ferndale and your making decisions based
on figures but can you realy put a figure on lives
Its a close call, I know porth is closer to my home but as its retained and
pontypridd is man'd 24 hrs I would like to see the figures regarding the time
difference as to who would arrive first.
However I would not want to lose either, with one less engine avaliable
where would the second engine come from should the remaining engine be
busy
I know we have Tonypandy and Ferndale and your making decisions based
on figures but can you realy put a figure on lives
I would not choose either of these proposals.
Both should be kept, but if one had to go appliance in Ponty, at least Porth
can be used to cover missing appliance
NEITHER, I WOULD RATHER AN INCREASE IN OUR COUNCIL TAX
RATHER THAT CUT ANY OF THESE SERVICES. ( WHAT PRICE ON LIFE)
Neither a loaded question.
I don't think that I can answer this
Neither.
Declined to answer
Keeps al fire stations open
Neither
Neither
Neither should be closed
Declined to answer neither
Neither
Prefer not to choose.
NONE!!! WE NEED MORE!!!
keep the stations open
I can't choose as every life matters
NEITHER
Could not support either. Thi service is of the most importance. They are
risking lives and property.
I wouldn't choose either proposal because either one us creating risk to
property and person
Neither proposal should be recommended
With an appliance in Porth the emergency response time will be less for the
people of Porth. With such a high population in Pontypridd, it is worring that
they could also be left with one appliance. Having been made homeless by a
house fire as a young child, to little to late isn't an answer to those who's
homes will be lost.
N/A
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Keep both Porth fire station and the second pump at Pontypridd.
Neither should happen, porth and ponty cover different areas.
Neither should happen, porth and ponty cover different areas.
I would not recommend either . To remove an essential first line service from
the RCT area is an attitude for destruction! If these go ahead then the level of
cover from Cardiff to tonypandy will be virtually nil all the households and
industry will Definately suffer
At least there will still be a Fire Station in Porth to cover this area. Fires
spread so quickly, it is playing with life if you close Porth or remove the
second pumping appliance from Pontypridd.
I recomend this as then there will be a fire engine in each station. Also there
will then not be people out of jobs and porth fire station is closer to all the
areas they protect unlike pontypridd. I also think it is ridiculas shutting porth
fire station as it is well used and needed in the community. We need porth
fire station and it cant close it is stupid.
It just makes sence to have a fire engine in both porth and Pontypridd.
The people who make these proposals should be questioned on there
common sense, why are they in a job of such importance quizzes me it could
mean people's lives after all.
none no fire station should be closed
What keep both open !!!!
Under duress I have had to answer the above, however I am not happy to do
this. Both need saving...
Neither
Neither
Neither
Neither...people's lives should not be put at risk by these changes
This choice should not have to be made. Adopting either would increase the
risk to life and property.
Do not accept the fact that either should be done.
Neither!
Shouldn't have to choose. The fire service save lives they shouldn't be cut.
neither
Neither as they are both essential. It makes me mad that everything around
this area has to be messed with, why don't the government and councils
leave things alone.
I live in pontypridd do it affects me and my family
Should never be choosing between essential services for the vast areas.
I would not recommend either proposal because of reasons stated
previously.
i cannot agree with putting lives at risk in one community over lives in another
community.
I do not think either of these are good options, if the proposals made could be
altered and giving the public a transparent view of all the areas cuts need to
be met. We could comment in a more substantial way ad 2 option are not
enough as this could be very bias depending on area people live.
I would not, but to continue i must give an answer. A poorly designed
question.
It makes more sense in terms of geographical location to have one in Ponty
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Keep both Porth fire station and the second pump at Pontypridd.
and one in Porth as they are best placed in Porth to go up or down the valley
according to demand. If you remove the station in Porth then any incident in
Porth area would have to wait to be serviced from an appliance from Ponty or
Tonypandy, thus increasing the travel time and reducing the likelihood of
rescuing victims of a fire in the Porth area.
I'd prefer to choose to close neither, but in this situation, I'd close the parttime (on-call) pumping appliance in Pontypridd, due to living in Porth and
preferring to have a fire station as near as possible.
we need fire stations to be near local communities
I would not recommend either proposal, but because both my sons and my
ex wife live in the Porth area along with many other family members it
becomes a choice of my own family over others, and as above I don't believe
for one minute that although your budget has been cut there has been any
significant changes to the population within this catchment area and by
closing down any local service you are immediately putting lives and property
at potential risk
I would not chose to support any of the recommendations to either remove
the second pumping appliance or to close Porth Fire Station. Both are
needed, and costs of keeping either should not be taken into consideration
when lives/property can and would be damaged/harmed.
to spread the cover. porth residents are no less flammable than ponty
residents
Neither as both are needed
I disagree with both proposals
Niether
none
Pontypridd serves the A470 as well as the Pontypridd area. the Post station
serves the Rhonda Valley
Try to find an alternative please
I would not recommend either proposal. retained Firefighters have suffered
enough changes already.
The public want and deserve a service which has a proud history in the area.
Fire fighters are already losing out in regards to pensions, and more and
more is being asked of them
Not only will these firefighters lose financially, but will also be expected to
provide more years service.
Members of the FA should show some backbone and respect for those who
actually carry out the job, and not just "rubber stamp" decisions at a monthly
meeting.
Neither. Any of the options would endanger lives
Neither
none of the above, save money elsewhere, i'm sure if they start from the top
then that will be ok.
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Keep both Porth fire station and the second pump at Pontypridd.
They are both a very serious subject
I find it outrageous that a choice is being offered when clearly through
statistics Porth is the clear choice to "adapt" not close, furthermore it is
disgracful that a proffessional service is relying on public support and opinion
to choose between the two!
Within your presentations you refer to the raes risk profile changing over the
passed few years, what if it changes again?
I do not agree with either proposal. Cut backs should not be made that
endanger lives. The Welsh Assembly Government are not operating the age
old and widely accepted business pyramid structure. There are far too many
high salaried employees in the WAG. Their inverted pyramid structure goes
against all business principles of an effective and efficient organisation. This
is where the funding cuts should be made!!!!!
Proximity to other stations
this is not fair to ask - to choose between the risk of life in two communities.
Not only the risk to life but the financial impact to the Rhonnda - Pontypridd
and Porth are the Gateway to the valley and if there are burnt areas of
hillside this will impact on future (return) visits by tourists. People would say
"I'm not coming here again, the mountains are burned black and ugly" compared with "What a beautiful place". Local businesses will lose out and
hence local economy will suffer. Also, wildlife suffers.
Neither proposal
Neither proposal
I would rather keep both stations open.
Neither !!
I would choose neither option
Because the fire services would be more geographically dispersed allowing
appliances to get to fires quicker. I would say that neither of these is my
preferred option
NEITHER...! FIGHT FOR THE FUNDING GORDON GREATER
RESOURCES NOT CLOSING DOWN VITAL SERVICES...!!!
CUTS COST LIVES...!!!
Not an issue. Both must remain open
I would prefer not to close any fire station, I live in Coed y cwm, in Pontypridd,
and would hate to think how long an appliance would take to get to the
estate, especially in winter when we have bad snow, should I be unfortunate
enough to need the fire service.
These 2 choices are bit comparable therefor choosing go between them
serves only to provide stats to back your weak proposals.
Would not chose either as both are needed!!!
I believe that you can not put a price on the safety of people and any cuts
have to mean a slower response and this could result serious harm or death
As above
Neither, I live in pontypridd, around the corner from the fire station. I don't
agree with the proposals as I think that too many people will lose their jobs, it
will take too long for a fire crew to get to this area from another station and
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Keep both Porth fire station and the second pump at Pontypridd.
too much risk to peoples lives.
You shouldn't be asking people to choose. None of the stations should be
closed.
We shouldn't have to choose it is wrong
It isn't right that people are being made to choose between the two. It is an
important issue and this is being clouded by the competition between Porth
and Pontypridd. There should not be any cuts t the fire service.
I Shouldn't have to choose... might as well ask me which lives to save.
It would affect me less
Why choose to save lives in Ponty or porth ?????
I would not recommend either because both stations are valuable to the
community . If the government stopped having so many immigrants in the
country we would not be in this position in making a choice to save money.
Neither, both proposals WILL cost lives. The fire service plays a very
important role within the rhondda valleys and removing any pumps or stations
would have a detrimental effect on the surrounding community.
Sorry I don't agree to either is it is simply ridiculous and unsafe
Neither. As I have stated, the fire and rescue service has an ever-increasing
expectation upon it to deliver on those occasions when others cant. There
should be a reinforcement of its capabilities, not a reduction!
We should not be reducing fire services and the appliances should remain as
they are.
Pontypridd could arguably service Porth/Rhondda area.
Neither it is bloody ridicules that cuts like this are even being thought about.
Either situation is going to add risks to peoples lives. Cuts like this shouldn't
even be considered how about not wasting it on crap sculptures that cost a
fortune?
There is no choice bith are needed they cover a huge area with a terrible
road system one would not cope alone
neither
1 engine each will provide cover in the area, but can also assist other area
neither should be removed but it wouldn't be as dangerous to close the pump
than the whole Porth station
neither
I could not in all conscience support either
however, would like to keep both open
Neither
Neither
I will not comment on this - neither town population should have priority over
the lives of another
Neither
None
neither is a viable option as it poses a high risk to property and lives within
the immediate vicinity
I think both should stay
I think it's in a central location
The safety of the Porth community
better to have 1 appliance at each station
Porth needs to stay open as it serves the local area - coming from Pontypridd
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Keep both Porth fire station and the second pump at Pontypridd.
would take too long
Because the Pontypridd fire station is vital to the community and has easy
access to the university, but also the A470 which means easy access to
Cardiff,M4 and Merthyr where the second pump will come in handy.
The on call appliance firefighters would take longer to respond to fires than
the firefighters at Porth station. The firefighters at Porth are also full time
which means they would lose their livelihood if the station was closed
Response time for Pontypridd is adequate enough to reach Porth in time.
More students are unaware of fire dangers so more likely to have a fire
hazard in the Treforest/Pontypridd area.
The area which Pontypridd covers is larger....
No need to close any of then with the population growing in the area we need
them both
Inefficiencies and overprovision in the local area. Though it is not in anyone's
interest to close fire stations, in such circumstances where adequate fire
cover exists, the service has a public duty to operate as efficiently as
possible.
need pumps in as many areas as possible
Neither
None of the above.
My decision is based on I believe that it is better to have one fully functional
and manned station but do not think we need to close either.
so that people keep jobs and fire brigade covers more area
there should be a station in all areas
I had a house fire in Gragwen Ponty and the 2 fire engines that came were
Ponty and Porth
sames reasons ticked on previous page
Only if services from porth were transfered to pontypridd which is central to
access all of rct
Would not want to choose, impossible.
need pumps in as many places as possible
fire service needs to cover many areas
fire service needs to cover many areas
Sorry but I would have to say not to remove any
I would not recommend either proposals that is a loaded question
I wouldn't chose either as you are playing with people's lives. Fire is not
something you can play with in order to save money in the budget cuts. The
time it would cause to respond is ludicrous and by reducing the pumps at
pontypridd and losing engines by closing porth could prove fatal during a fire
neither
Don't close either one! We need both!
Neither of these proposals should be carried out. This service should be
ringfenced by local authority/ local goverment.
Neither.
Don't support it
NONE OF THE ABOVE
there should be no more cuts,to such vital services.
Neither, they are both hugely important to the area.
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Keep both Porth fire station and the second pump at Pontypridd.
Really I don't want any to go.
neither should close
I don't think either should be done
neither is acceptable post code gamble on lives
do not know
because of he geography of the valley
Neither. Very silly and misleading question
Neither. Very silly and misleading question
None of them as we need the fire station and the fire engine
None keep the both of them.
neither - none of the stations should be relieved
neither. We would like to see all the stations retained
nil. if rhondda has a major incident, we're in trouble without both facilities
NEITHER!!!!! i support all fire brigades.
i think closing either fire station down is crazy. those men and women risk
their lives to keep ppl safe so of course i strongly disagree with closures. i
propose to cut the wages of the welsh assembly!! Then maybe just maybe
we would be able to keep our fire brigades and hospitals open.
neither
NEITHER MAKE ANY SENSE !!!!!!!!
Neither!!! It's such a large area and we need all the service we have it doesn't
need to be changed!! Lives are more important than Budget Cuts!! If you get
rid of any it will cause injury and death and then you will have to put it back
the way it was!!! LEAVE THE FIRE SERVICE AS IT IS WE RELY ON ALL
THESE DEVOTED MEN AND WOMEN!!!
Neither it us Hobsons choice
Neither
Neither
Neither really
would like to see them both remain
should not have to choose
Neither
loss of jobs and less risk
neither
no
netiher
In my opinion, this is a ridiculous question to ask. Losing either is
unacceptable. Additional minutes in response times could cost lives.
not choosing
do not have enough information. how can you choose the safety of one family
over another
neither - cut councillors wages first
neither
NONE!!
there's still a fire station.
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Keep both Porth fire station and the second pump at Pontypridd.
preferably NEITHER!!!
neither
I would not RECOMMEND either option.
dont close any
neither
well i wouldn't recommend closing either
none!
neither!
none as both are equally important
neither cut MPs and their wages and cut local councels and their wages
none
keep the two of them its life dont forget
none
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proposal that you feel we have not considered?’ the following
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General efficiencies
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National Government policy changes
Keep Pontypridd second pump
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Public education
Concern at increased risk
Seek extra funding streams
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General efficiencies
Yes. Cut the cabinets wages!!
Cut down the hours of employee's and try to get more volunteers to help out
instead.
Your page says there is a retained appliance at Tonypandy would the removal
of this appliance be a better option, I don't know I'm just looking at all options
Alternate shifts between both stations??
I feel that the work load would be too much for just one engine to cope with and
then other units from other ares would have to be brought in and this would
ultimately cost more than keeping the engine at Pontypridd and keeping Porth
station open
U knocked the preceint down 4 no reason built a hideous and pointles statue
revamped ponty streets 4 the worse and all a waste of money and didn't need
to be done,money could have gone 2 saving these services so my proposal is
Stop wasting our money on things we don't want or need.
Yes stop wasting money on finding out whether I am having a sex change, my
sexuality or what nationality I am. Fire kills what ever your circumstances.
Look at the stations that are not preforming
Essential public services should not be closed money can be saved in other
areas where it is currently being wasted.
Are you really saving that much by going ahead with this?
1) Charge for unnecessary call outs / false alarms.
2) If the 24hr fire engine is moving to A470 / Upper Boat, retain Ponty fire
station in Treforest on an on-call basis, due to the proximity of residences. The
Upper Boat location would be better for car crashes on the A470 and central
Ponty, but for student housing, the station in Treforest is better placed.
3) Monetise your services: create a 'virtual tip jar' / voluntary payment system.
Publicise each incident attended and share the link after each incident.
Distribute 50% of tips to the attending firefighters, and 50% to the fire service to
retain capacity.
4) You MUST NOT create a situation where reducing the number of fires and
improved fire safety results in job losses for the people who work to achieve
this - because then there is an incentive for firefighters not to promote fire
safety and let incident numbers go up. That would be perverse.
Make savings elsewhere - consultants, senior management etc but don't cut
the front-line services.
Not removing front line appliances
Don't make any cuts to fire fighters, we need them. Got to be a way of saving
money else where
Maybe a super crew that could attend either appliance depending on its
geographical need.
Alternative would be to keep the on call in Ponty and keep Porth station open.
keep Porth retained and remove the retained crews from Tonypandy and
Pontypridd which would leave a fire station in each town. Geographical spread.
Look at the stations that are not preforming
Getting value for money from the retained service. At the moment the service is
not.
Getting value for money from the retained service. At the moment the service is
not.
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use turn out times and pump availability stats to make a decision
The use of older firefighters in training and mentoring roles rather than front line
crewing would benefit fire fighters and public.
I would like serious consideration being given to training responsible people in
the community to deal with some of the rescue tasks associated with the
service. This would be in line with Government Localism agenda and also a
real example of co-production at work. It would then create capacity within a
leaner Fire & Rescue service to deal with the more complex rescues.
Government can take a pay cut and council officers.
Is it possible to cut down on senior personnel cars etc. replace, when
necessary, with smaller more economical vehicles. All staff going to a callout to
share same transport/ training sessions held with other station personnel.
Less admin staff at headquarters
have you looked at saving money at management levels or looked at cheaper
rentals for administative buildings.
try retiring the bean counters that you employ to come out with these ridiculous
cutbacks I am sure if they lived within these communities they would not even
consider putting their own or families lives on the line so to speak, getting rid of
these high paid posts within any organization cannot be a bad idea and could
save millions in the process
Make public the number of jobs that have actually been disposed of within the
service from the top down.
Also include the costs of reducing these positions including the costs of
"Golden handshakes"
Get rid of fat cats across the board and in other professions.
cut management. too many chiefs not enough indians.
cut waste spending on management
get rid of the managers
cut the fats cats at the tops wages and benifits
Make cuts else where. Lose managers. Seek funding else where.
Get rid of MP expenses to save money not cut budgets and jobs.
contrary to received wisdom, I do not believe that these cuts are necessary. As
David Cameron tells us this is a wealthy country.
why is it that there is a very expensive development going on in the Aberdare
region £50 million plus is being spent why should other regions have to have
their services cut when this vast amount is being spent just for one area to
benefit , this work should be shelved or downsized .where I live in TONTEG
one of the highest tax bands we have next to no amenities and what is here
you want to close. are you people who make these decisions aware that there
around 1000 more homes to be built in the area so that is one more good
reason to shelve your proposals and look else where for cuts, in your over
inflated wages would be a good place to start. I hope you read the comments
because most people I talk too think the same.
Reduce councillors expenses and remove the totally unnecessary level of
bureaucracy that is is the Welsh Government, so that essential finance is
channelled properly.
Make appliances "seasonal". For example in Porth during grass seasons.
Not to dispatch 3 fire engines to one call out
Open a new station adjacent to Evan James school with 1 manned andv1
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retained pump and close pontypridd and Porth
Close both and strategically relocate in the middle for better egress and access
to A470 and local residential areas
My be look at the on call appliance in pandy or even Abercynon and there is
another station close by becoming 1 would make more sense rather than
shutting stations and lossing jobs in an already very deprived area
combine the two stations in a larger station in a more convenient location
Maybe look at Abercynon as ponty can get there far faster than than they can
reach porth
May be merge Abercynon and Treharris or look at ponty and pandy call out
appliance
A complete overview of the service area needs to be adopted to look at where
best to locate stations to help reduce numbers whilst maintain effectiveness.
The SWFRS area has far too many stations and appliances and this has
hugely damaging effects on cost, training, morale and community perception of
the service.
A more central station with the same crew and resources from ponty and porth
combined. Eg upper boat or somewhere more central ponty
I wld consider moving the jobs and appliance to ponty from porth to reduce
costs in keeping the building open... You have the same number of engines to
service the community but dont have the maintenance costs of 2 buildings plus
ypu would only need one lot of upper management
Build new station between Porth & Pontypridd to cover both. Small vans to
attend small fires - less cost. Look at infrastructure to allow faster attendance
times.
amalgamate smaller station
group smaller stations together and create more efficient, bigger station
building a fire station by Evan James School inbetween both Porth and
Pontypridd
Yes far too much money is being wasted on golden Handshake redundancy
pay offs to incompetent people. There should be cuts to the highest earners of
councils some of them on over £100,000 which is an insult to the poverty we
are already in without these extra cuts. Have you thought about the impact of
this and downgrading our hospital? Closing our pools, centres, libraries,
education, schools and now this? With 4.5% Increase in c.tax and for what?
Paying for our own geneside it looks like.
Look at the head people within the organisation! If they took less privileges, i.e.
The perks of free personal cars etc. the savings could be made there and our
local stations and communities would stay safe!
Cut the wages and expenses that MPs get.
Asking the chief and otner officers to take a pay cut. Also remove wholetime
appliances and replace with retained or day crewing / rds.
Find another way to save money. Priority services such as fire fighters provide
more than rescue in an emergency. They educate the community to prevent
fires such as in school or help with vulnerable adults.
RCT in general needs to support essential services such as fire/rescue, health,
education and social services to prevent RCT becoming even more at risk of
crime, poverty, illness etc.
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You've already taken away leisure activities!!!
If we take away luxuries from executive members of RCT CBC or they took a
pay cut (because fire fighters risk their lives compared to sitting in a leather
chair). Ban free tea/coffee/catering at meetings or training, incentives for
recycle/reuse in offices. Do away with any company cars or fuel of those who
earn at an executive level maybe we can provide the community it's basic
human right to be safe!
Government can take a pay cut and council officers.
Instead of cutting front line services make cuts in other departments .
Cut senior staff salaries, share officers/IT/finance/HR with neighbouring
Brigades, pool white fleet cars, remove executive cars, stop spending money
on consultants.
As above get rid of surplus senior officers draining the fire Service of money as
the saying goes how many does it take to change a light bulb
Perhaps you could consider the amount of money I see wasted on producing
every piece of literature in english and welsh. How much would this save?
How many lives and buildings is bilingual literature worth?
cut wastage, stop over-managerialism
Yes lay off a couple of staff or reduce hours
Reduce administration, create efficiencies in the back room, not the front line.
Less 'bigwigs' higher paid staff that are not required
Cutting all expenses for all councillors and MP'S nationwide, they get paind
enough as it is, everyone else in the country has to pay for they're own
transport to work. And we all pay for our own dinner aswell. You should also cut
all staff party's and final salary pensions
Pay cuts from people higher up. Should never have to cut frontline firefighters.
Cut politicians bonuses and leave our services alone
Slash the bonus' and wage of your top level Council employees.
Cut politicians bonuses and leave our services alone
Cut the decifit in other services which are not life threatening. For example
benefits!
Cut inflated allowances for Councillors, not essential emergency services
funding.
All fire services are top heavy in management!
No. Find another solution to the money problem. Lives must NOT be put at
risk.
I feel disgusted that it has come to this to be honest.....how about the top knob
people having a cut in their pays, for our local fire stations to stay active to their
duties with all compliances.
Yes, get rid of money wasting projects and in effective council departments like
sonig and put time and money into real issues like public safety
CUT WHITE COLLAR WORKERS. YES THAT MEANS YOU!!!!!
Get the cuts else where! Don't cut frontline emergency service
Keep both. They're obviously needed other wise they wouldn't be there in the
first place. Get the cuts else where. Like managements wages.
Money can be saved in better ways than cutting services. A good hard look
MUST be taken at the management of the Fire Service (and all public bodies)
to ensure that there is just the bare minimum of management to enable the
service to run. It is not the management that are risking theirs lives so theirs
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should be jobs to go first!
Less money spent on top management salaries in the Council would be a good
start.
Why not look at cutting cooks and admin assistance and save front line
appliances
Salary cuts for the top ranks.
Reduction in pension provisions from final salary to defined contribution
schems
Look at other second appliances
full time in Pandy and in Ponty and part time in Porth
has anyone considered Ferndale with access from Porth so easy with the new
road
Make Tonypandy retained. There would be jobs for all and wages would be
saved thus saving Porth
make Tonypandy part time saving more money
cut the cost of office staff
less admin staff in headquarters
make cuts elsewhere
make cuts elsewhere, there is no need for our life saving facility to close at any
cost. our lives at risk
merge abercynnon + treharis
get rid of more councillors instead of services
You've been able to save £5.5 m over 4 years - surely further savings of a
similar nature can be implemented in order to save this essential service.
reduce politicians wages and allowances
Combine with the ambulance service to save money
Have you thought about joining forces with the ambulance service?
Combine all the emergency services
Amalgamation of all blue light services. Economies of scale would help to
reduce day to day running costs and improve interagency working.
what options are there for the emergency services to share facilities. within
area - Porth police station
link with ambulance stations
co-operative with the ambulance service
save money by combining the ambulance service with the fire service
join up the emergency services
do more with ambulance service to save money
Perhaps a two for one may have been a better proposal
Maybe the use of volunteers in both stations for various jobs.
Is there a training programme for community volunteers on best practice in
dealing with hill side fires (either deliberately started or not). Whilst house fires
have gone down, incidences of hill fires seem to be on a massive increase.
Provision of fire hydrants in areas where no station and access to equipment
for part time or volunteer fire personnel
Create teams of people in the towns willing to tackle hillside fires (with the
necessary training) - and possibly extend this to apprehending those
responsible.
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Increase fire cover
No. View would be to increase fire cover.
See above
Increase fire engines rather than cut
Build a super fire response station so less money is spent using many.
Build a super fire response station so less money is spent using many.
Put a whole time station in strategic places and get rid of the RDS
We need to increase more fire stations not deacrese them. These are
specialist jobs, and without the specialists responding to all calls, there will be
an increase in fatalities, building damage, areas of grasslands being destroyed,
flooding, arson attacks etc etc. Come on Goverment, realise how petty,
pathetic & stupid you are being trying to close well needed stations and
removing the on call fire appliance. Goverment you need to provide more
Specialists to do their fantastic job, because without the Fire men and women,
God knows whats going to happen.
Increase fire cover across the whole of the South Wales area.
Population is growing in pontypridd at a fast rate because of the university is
expanding a all the new house builds
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Keep Pontypridd second pump
It took An appliance from Porth longer to reach a house fire in Penygraigwen
due to the fact it had to travel all the way into Pontypridd has there was a low
bridge that the appliance could not go under.
Your postcode checker states that the first and second appliance would be
from Pontypridd which would have back up the first appliance much quicker
than the Porth appliance which turned up..
How can one fire engine in Pontypridd cover the massive area of Pontypridd?
They have loads of schools, university, colleges, town centre, about 3 industrial
estates all with businesses and factories on. People are going to be out at risk
I do not state to know enough of the facts but losing front line services should
be a last resort. I really feel strongly if something has to go then Porth Station
must be the right thing to lose, coupled this with the land where the station in
porth is could be sold.
How about thinking about peoples lives and the safety of our Comunity insted
of these ridiculous cut backs in our public services!!! Pontypridd fire station
have an amazing reputation in our local Comunity and it is shameful that we
have to fight to be protected!!!
Pontypridd is home to 70,000 people a university numerous housing estates
plus more being built all the time. Tonteg and church village will be in no mans
land!
The amount of new houses being built in my area of hawthorn and rhydefelin.
University of Glamorgan is changing to university of wales. Next two to three
years this will have an increase in around 10 thousand students, who will all
live In the area. And the ever growing industry in pontypridd 3 industrial
estates.
have you considered all the risks in both areas? Pontypridd has far more,
schools, business's, main town center, Uni and colleges. Big shops.
Porth has one big shop and a little town
My son works for a building company and has said there is a lot of new build
development starting i the near future in pontypridd. This is something to think
about.
Access by a tender from Porth to Pontypridd as a backup appliance at peak
traffic times would cause dangerous delays.
My choice is pontypridd mainly because I live in the pontypridd area and so do
my family. But porth is a Very small area with not many people.
Give the retained firefighters in porth the option to transfer to pontypridd
It would be better to shut down porth station and provide pontypridd station with
better facilities to cover the porth area aswell. it would be a good idea to
possibly moving pontypridd station to broadway or bottom of trefforest to
improve response time to porth and others areas, as it is currently tucked away
from access to a main road on side streets of oxford street which increase
response time as they have to be more carefully on the smaller and narrower
roads
University of Glamorgan is going to increase in the amount of students living in
the area, results in more risk of the area in pontypridd. Also the new housing
being build in pontypridd will increase the population.
University is expanding over the next two years
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Keep Pontypridd second pump
There are new students halls being built which will bring in more students.
Increasing the population. There a lot of housing development going on too in
the next few years
Yes new road porth is only 7 min s by road to tonypandy fire stn.
Close it
Tonypandy should brought down on to the bypass to provide improved fire
cover
Having looked at the follow questions there is a case for more education and
awareness measures etc
but it must be remembered that accidents always happen and the fire service
needs to be able to respond quickly with the most effective equipment.
Increase council tax or share with the ambulance service and the police
Stop cutting essential services and sack whoever authorised and paid for that
red monstrosity and the top of the A470/Sainsbury's roundabout.
apply to lotto for grants?
Leave both as are
building the new Pontypridd station in the town centre area which would cover
the Porth area and be crew by local people who would give value for money
No, all options seems to have been considered. Whilst Porth may be losing
some of it's amenities, the area covered by Pontypridd is also losing a massive
amount of resource - the libraries in Rhydfelin, Ynysybwl, the Muni in
Pontypridd, the swimming pool in Hawthorn, all paddling pools in the areas.
The demographics of the area must be considered when making this decision.
Porth has a population of around 6,000, which is the same as Glyncoch and
Coed-y-Cwm combined, without taking into consideration the other 73,000 in
the rest of the Pontypridd area.
Have you bought about all the new builds going on in Pontypridd. Been all over
the papers. Uni is getting bigger too
university - new houses being built in ponty area
Not enough information about Porth fire station, surely as a county we should
be supporting ALL of our fire stations and not just our "local" fire station?
"Robbing Peter to pay Paul" doesn't sound moral.
Don't cut any
Forget budget cuts and save our stations.
I would happily pay an extra 10 pounds a year to keep the station open, why
can't they jus increase the council tax to cover any shortfall?
Increase council tax to pay for the service
Share the money wit the ambulance service and save money that way
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Maintain the status quo
I strongly disagree with removing any of the station, my brother was a p/t fighter
in ferndale i my self witness them in practice getting some one out of a badly
crushed car quickly an safely, i expect PORTH AN PONTYPRIDD stations do
the same training, what would hapen if there was just pontypridd station to
cover from ponty up to the top of mardy as well as aberdare mounting an down
as fare as cardiff one station wouldn't do, we need all stations why would they
be were they are equally the same distance apart, things could happen were
there would need more than one fire team.
Keep both in the ideal world. Make cuts else where. How can you cut front line
firefighters??
Dont make these cuts which will put lives at risk
I feel that the work load would be too much for just one engine to cope with and
then other units from other ares would have to be brought in and this would
ultimately cost more than keeping the engine at Pontypridd and keeping Porth
station open
Leaving things as they are... Unless you can actually find a way to stop car
crashes and fires then you need the fire service to retain their equipment and
keep stations open.
Leave the Porth Fire Department unchanged. If anything, I think it could use
more manpower.
We pay our council tax for this
The population is increasing in the RCT area. The road network throughout the
valley and general infrastructure does not as yet justify removal of SWFRS
resources without increasing the potential risk to loss of lives.
As previous question...
Also as another proposal maybe you could keep all fire stations open and fully
equipped? If an Abulance is late I can use a car or follow advise on the phone.
If a fire engine is late, I wouldn't like to think of the consequences.
Keep both open, lives are at risk!!
Either closure will cause hardship to the families of the SWFRS. In Addition to
the increased risk of death, injury or damage to property as the response rate
may increase.
I understand that times are difficult, however, fire stations ( just like ambulance/
hospitals, police etc) are essential to people. They save lives! Cuts should not
be made here at all!
None - there should be no loss to services for either community - pitching one
community fire service against another is derisory!!!!!
Don't close any of them
Why does the community have to always lose out bronwydd pool royal glam
now porth fire station yet our taxes still go up !!!!
The only answer is to keep both depots open with the same appliances . As
the cuts you have already implemented are down to the bare bones to cover
the areas. We have already seen the time it takes to cover incidents in the area
and they cannot be cut further.
Leave things as they are.
Do cut any is my proposal. You are going to kill people.
Don't cut any
As above. Or don't cut any
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Maintain the status quo
Don't cut any!
Increase funding to emergency services not reduce it.
Don't cut any. Make cuts else where, not to front line services where people are
at risk.
Not removing front line appliances
Don't cut any
The Fire Services are very important to the community and in helping to ensure
people's safety. This is an area where cuts should be avoided as best as
possible.
Don't need one....keep the provision as it is!
Major incidents have not been considered when additional fire appliances are
required.
We also need to maintain employment not reduce it.
Don't close any of them and join up with the ambulance service
Don't close any. The fire service is an important part of society that we can't do
without.
Yes... FIGHT FOR MORE FUNDING NOT CLOSE DOWN VITAL
SERVICES...!!! CUTS COST LIVES...!!
Go back to Welsh Assembly and say the people will not allow this to happen
Pay more money into the pot and keep the services tha we have been paying
for years
Make second fire engine at Pontypridd retained
no cuts to the fire service
You have not considered too leave them open in this proposal
Keep both engines - keep Porth and keep Pontypridd retained. Public at risk.
Shouldn't have to lose public services esp fire.
The expansion of the university &college , the building of more housing means
MORE people in the locality. The A470 will be busier and the need for schools
and hospital & emergency services will increase.
I want to keep the both fire stations open...
We need all the fire engines and stations, we were very surprised pontypridd
only had 2 engines as it is!
leave things as they are
Common sense
The public safety in all the surrounding areas. Which the Fire Service cover.
Don't cut any
I think both should be retained
I think it is disgusting how you have chosen to play two neighbouring stations
off against each other. The final decision isn't going to come down to these
petitions. It is all about money and risk and the decision was probably made
months ago. You are dragging it out for the poor firemen and women because
you don't want to just come out with it.
The safety of the public
When you consider that grass fires are a constant problem during the
Spring/Summer months in both areas the removal of any Fire Appliances could
result in the loss of life.
leave both as are
retain both and protest against public service cuts, our nation set the nhs up
after war when it was in huge debt!
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Maintain the status quo
yeah keep it the same as it is now.
how about keeping it all and getting further funding from gevernment
saving both
a no brainer but - cut costs in i less essential areas. this should not even be a
consideration
Ultimately it would be not to close or cut any of the fire and rescue services as
this could potentially be playing with lives.
There may be room to split the pumps at pontypridd NOT to remove a pump
from service but to relocate 1 pump to possibly treforest industrial estate thus
providing a quick access to the A470 providing fire cover for nantgarw area,
rhydefelin, hawthorn and when expected to accesd the A470 quickly to provide
Porth with fire cover and for RTC's. Also this would mean that 1 pump remains
in pontypridd as this is highly populated and can provide support for calls.
HUMANITY
dont do it
yes, dont close either and maintain our local services
no this has worked for as long as it has . what are you doing
Closing neither station and funding the services more as they are an important
part in everyday life.
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National Government Policy
the govmnt shdnt put money b4 saving lives the fire service r a important part
ov the comunnity
Government putting more money into such a valuable service
But what I'd really do is, scrap trident, abolish the monarchy, raise tax on the
wealthiest people, and a thousand other things. This choice shouldn't have to
be made. I'd put more money into the Fire Service, not less. We should be
investing in new equipment and facilities. Not closing things.
Give more money to the fire service
Yes!!! Make your cuts with the people who are draining RCT funds by claiming
benefits for everything! Of course there are people who are generally in need of
help, then there's people who work the benefit system and collect large sums of
money for doing absolutely nothing! If benefits were tougher, then there would
be no budget problems!
Get rid of the government
fight austerity. this is all a con. there are alternatives. the tobin tax aka the robin
hood tax is one suggestion. the safety and wellbeing of the population surely
outweighs a small amount of lost profit for the financial system that precipitated
our governments call for austerity in the first place. we're all being robbed.
Asking for direct payment,like the Police service have.!!!
Tell the government to wise up stop spending everything in England
Wales and more so the vallys are part of the uk too we've lost schools leisure
centre and local swimming pool , shops funding to regenerate the local town
and now want to rob us of being protected against fire. Whats Britain coming to
get rid of a few non essential office jobs in the council (of which there are many
- mangers and undermanagers)
Stop giving money to immigrants and start looking after our own for a change.
Cut all dole payments in half after 6 weeks of being on it. Clamp down on
benefits. Open a big car park where pontypridd tax offices used to be and the
underground as its currently waste land and use money from parking fees to
fund things like this!
Think less about lining the pockets of the beauracrats.....and more about the
risk to life if we lose this service! I live next to a school in Pontypridd that
burned to the ground, despite the fire service from Pontypridd attending so
quickly!.....I dread to think what might have happend to the entire street if they
had to come from further away!
instead of cutting finances from our emergency services,fire,ambulance,and
police.
they should find it from all the money they waste,at the assembly.
cut some of the executives at the top to reduce costs
councillor expenses should be reduced to compensate
using economics of scale to merge administration and bureauracy whilst
maintaining front line, emergency services eg: 1 fire service for the whole of
Wales instead of the current 3
stop all cuts
pay freeze for all MP's
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Public education
The education of young people about the waste of money time and resources
caused by grass fires
The education of young people about the waste of money time and resources
caused by grass fires
Concern at increased risk
Why cut back on the most important service, this will one day effect a life and
then everyone will be sorry! Not worth the risk
Leave the fire service as it is. How much are peoples lives worth in this day
and age.
Safety of local population
Abandoning local knowledge
Communities will be affected by these changes less safe
Why is it always about saving money, surely safety should come first. How
many people have to die from waiting for an appliance to arrive. What cost can
you put on human life, can we sue if the appliance does not arrive in a timely
fashion.
Safety lives will be lost and property damaged
Safety ponty will still have an appliance
The Pontypridd station covers a large geographic area compared to the Porth
station.There was a house fire in our street and according to your post code
checker the first and second appliance should have been sent from the
Pontypridd station but the second appliance was from Porth which was delayed
due to the fact that a low bridge.which men't it had to travel all the way into
Pontypridd before it could back track up to Graigewn.
You also propose to build a new station at Upperboat so as this exercise is
about saving money you would save the cost of mainlining the Porth sation by
putting all the appliances in the new station and save me a bit on my council
Tax. common sense should pro-vile..
Traffic congestion inhibits the travel of blue light services and having big gaps
between stations is not a good idea.
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Seek extra funding streams
I know its far fetched, is it possible to try and raise enough funds to keep both
fire stations open?
Keep both open. Fundraising to help keep both open.
Give money to emergency services instead of building stupid statues
everywhere.
Hire the venue out on non parade nights, i.e. meeting room, gym. Look at
alternative fund raising. e.g. Motorsport in Wales is big, where all racing/rally
cars must have a built in extinguisher system, look to take on the servicing and
possible supply of these units.
Combine the unit with Police, Ambulance and BTP as a satellite HQ for them all
For the government to stop giving themselves bonuses and help line the
community and not their pockets
Insist on the huge amounts of money that are being gathered by Rhondda
Cynon Taf are shared with the fire service.
Invest in fund raising to provide capital to keep both assets.
Why not look at additional means of funding the fire service perhaps through
the council tax. When arsonists are caught they should be made to pay all the
costs especially grass fires and empty building fires. You don't hear of any
events held at the stations anymore that could raise funds. I think all firework
displays should be done by the fire service on behalf of the councils that way it
is more controlled and incidents are less likely plus the income from it and any
additional attractions or food could be quite considerable. Any areas with
greater income could help smaller stations after all they are all the fire service.
How much did the new headquarters in Llantrisant cost? You should find a way
for that building to pay for itself instead of cutting front line services. How would
you feel if you needed to use the fire services and your local station had been
closed??
Put more money in to the budget
the fat cats hopefully put their hands in their pockets to give some money back
to where it is needed the most , not stupid looking statues like in Porth and
Pontypridd with looks like half a titantic .
Even in these austere times I,m sure the residents of this fire authority area
would not object to a nominal increase to their council tax to ensure the
continued safety cover to their lives and property.
it would involve a better road system between Pontypridd and the Rhondda and
/ or stopping once and for all those idiots who cause the mountain fires every
year- maybe longer prison terms. Financially increasing fines for false alarms
and the money going directly to the fire station affected. More local fund raising
for the fire service. Use social media more to put your case to the public.???
Subsidy from the university of south Wales who have been happy to pay out 11
million pounds in redundancy over the last 12 months. Oh and the fact that the
student population increases the actual number of people in the area,but does
not have them included on electoral roll as they are ineligeble
The way the service is funded could be looked at in more detail. Members of
the community would probably be content to pay more council tax to maintain
local fire cover or would understand more readily the constraints under which
the service is operating if they were investing more of their own money in the
provision of that service.
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Seek extra funding streams
What about having some events to raise money and for the fireservice to
proved some none essential services at a smallcost.
I would rather pay an extra £10 per week in income tax to try and save cuts
from all our emergency sevices.
increases in c tax
more money to be available to fire service. cut local councillors and high
ranking officials. they should provide a service - not milk the system
fund the fire services differently
annual 'costs' in council tax breakdown - shows separate section for police.....I
want one for fire and am prepared to pay more
I consider ther is not enough done for the fire services and people should help
by charity fun runs fun days and get the public involved as 1979 1 firefighter run
through my house to save me and my brother from a blazing house
Have they considered in taking up events and charity shows to help fund teh
fire service rather than coming to the conclusion of closure
1) appealing to the primary schools to do school trips to the fire house with a
charge like £5 per child?
2) open days, so ppl can visit, and donate money?
3) sponsored walks?
4) make calendar and selling them?
Miscellaneous
What's the point, the decisions been made, this is just going through the
motions
The proposed the sitting of the new Pontypridd station on the treforest estate.
Where the second appliance could not be crewed by a retained crew, as no
people live in this area.
Being a wholetime firefighter my opinion has been restricted as a fear of
consequence, had there been a more open non reprisal environment culture
within the organisation ... question 6 would have not been included in fact i
doubt there ould have been a questionaire.
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