Class questions/comments 02/01 The article talks about how there are many studies that show women are often interrupted by men because of dominance. But what I wonder about is if this is not because of dominance but instead because women just talk longer and faster. I would like to see a study on that. Because I think that men probably interrupt more since it is more likely that they can not get a word in since women will talk more and quicker and men need to attempt to talk mid sentence. I also wonder in the studies taken, how long the conversation was before. I think this helps determine how much the women has said in comparison to the man to see if the men just could not get a word in. Attamante, Kelsey M. In the article of the Korean immigrants and African American service encounters, I can understand both sides. I worked in a grocery store over the summer and much rather prefer the approach of the Korean immigrants; just simple greetings and what was required to carry out the transaction. However, this is the South and small talk is very common so I had to hold conversations with people while scanning their items. This did not bother me too much, but it was a little forced as I preferred quietly doing my job. I do not think that anyone noticed the fact that I was forcing myself to interact but if it is I know it would have been seen as rude. I also find that the Tannen article, the assumption that men use interruptions as a sign of dominance can be understandable as a woman. It can be thought that the interruption is an act with the intention or thought that their point is more important than the woman’s even if that is not the case. Atwood, Michelle M. What I found interesting about this reading is that it brings to light that all minorities are not together. People would think that all minorities would get along, but that is definitely not the case. In places like Korea, black people are essentially non-existent, so there is a lack of understanding on their end. Korean people are left to how other people have seen black people to form their own opinion and that is not good. Especially in the United States, where African Americans have been marginalized for centuries, the stereotypes that they steal and what not are taken very seriously by the Korean people. There was not really a local context to go on for them, and that is something that we should keep in mind. This applies to more than just Koreans though, this can apply to anything. If a population does not exist in your country; you are left to form opinions on them solely based on how others have treated them, and that is frightening. Bass, Jefferson R. Baxley, Morgan N. Reading 1 The section on African-American and Korean immigrants reminded me of going into the nail salon. The nail salon I go to has a full Vietnamese staff and whenever I am getting my nails done the whole staff is conversing in Vietnamese. They will ask me a question or two about myself and then go on with a conversation in their language. Their body language, eye contact and vocal tones make it seem as though they are talking about me, but that might not even be the case. Reading 2 This section was entertaining to read because so much of it was so relatable. I’m not always talkative, but when I do speak I tend to be very wordy and use (sometimes too much) descriptive language. Many times I even have to think about a conversation before I have it because I don’t want to say too much and overwhelm the other person/people with my talking. I have a friend who LOVES to talk and whenever we are together it’s like the married couple described in the first section of the reading because he ALWAYS talks and I find it so difficult to ever get in one word because he’s so chatty. Often times I find myself spacing out and not having the slightest clue as to what he is saying but give him a “yeah” and “uh huh” so he thinks I’m mentally on board. Bhonsle, Meera R. Blakeney, Oliver P. Cahn, Natalie R. African-American and Korean immigrants: Personally, I have never heard of what happened in Los Angeles and did not know that there was some type of tension/drift between these two groups of people. When reading about it, each group stated that they both feel as if they had been shown no respect. From the perspective of African Americans, they believed that the Korean immigrants in the stores did not show them the amount of involvement as other customers among other things. From the perspective of the Korean immigrants, they felt as if the way that the African American’s talked to them was a big issue. The amount of profanity and high pitched voices was disrespectful to them. When reading more into this I did understand more why these two groups would not really get along, each come from drastically different customs and cultures. I wonder how the relationship between these two groups are now? When reading about interruption between the genders, I thought that it was surprising. Was surprised to read that more men interrupt women than women do to men. Stereotypically, women are talkers, they can talk about almost anything for a long period of time. On the other hand, men are known to be less talkative, more forward. Wondering how men would be interrupting more than women? Castaneda, Alison A. In Tannen 1989, it mentions that “…the more comfortable the children reported feeling with their friends, the more interruptions…” I think that is very true. It happens when I’m with my family or best friends. If any of us have a thought while someone else is talking, we’ll say it because we’re comfortable enough around each other that we know none of us will get angry if we interrupt them. And I think that’s why most people will only interrupt somebody if they’re close to them. You don’t want to interrupt somebody that you just met if you want to maintain a relationship with them because you don’t want to come off as rude. Clark, Morgan L. Questions Fortune favors the bold and in all things you must have audacity, but what is the best way to not make a faux pax by interrupting another person? How do you know whether or not interrupting is impolite in another culture? Is the reading generalizing when it says that it’s a common assumption about the world: that most see interruption as a hostile act. The Spanish example in the comments below is an example, how can you not interrupt if someone is speaking so fast in a long conversation? Comments Interruptions are definitely one of my worries in speaking Spanish. I’ve witnessed native speakers speaking so fast that you cannot get a word in. I, however, was used to this, because my mother would lecture me non-stop. If you didn’t butt in or tell her to stop, you would never be able to speak or end the conversation. In the movie Pulp Fiction (in the deleted scenes), Mia Wallace asks Vincent Vega what type a person he is: 1) A person that listens or, 2) A person that can’t wait to talk. Vincent, who is still high from a shot of heroin, says, “I try to listen, but I have to admit, I’m waiting to talk.” You get the sense from his character in the movie that he is just very interested in the conversations he’s a part of; he doesn’t want to be impolite, it’s just his nature to want to keep his train of thought going. Also, when you are a talker and the other person is an introvert aren’t you going to naturally outpace the other person when speaking. In movies, Americans are often represented as pushy, rude, people; is that how we really are or is there some aspect of manners that just doesn’t resonate in our culture? In my experience good conversation doesn’t always mean one person talking at a time, sometimes it is people overlapping and really being animated, and that doesn’t always mean dominance or anger. I completely agree with the article on Korean and African American interaction in retail situations. I travelled to Korea on a business trip and went into a guitar shop with some white co-workers; I’m an experienced guitar player. I was anxious to see the difference of the Schecter line of guitars because they were made in Korea. There was one other player in the group, the rest did not play, but they all were picking up the guitars and playing them. When I went to test a guitar; the vendor told me not to touch the merchandise. Because everyone else had guitars, I took it as an insult—that he didn’t want me touching the guitars because I was black. Language barriers may have prevented him from saying something like, “store policy is only three people playing guitars at a time”, but he never said that. As a result, I didn’t buy anything from his store, and I’ve boycotted Schecter guitars ever since. Collins, Matthew It is to my surprise that not all conversational overlap is bad. I did not realize it but I thought it was interest that some cultures think silence is bad so they actually want to talk until someone interrupts them. Why is this considered taboo in some cultures and not in other cultures? Could the fact that interrupting is not seen as much of a detriment to men stem from when men “owned” their wives? By “owned” I mean, men had legal control of their wife and so it was seen as more favored if the men could “control” her. Feigh, Madison H. While I do think interruption is a powerful tool in exercising dominance, I think silence is a bit more effective a tool. I feel like people who often interrupt are more seen as an annoyance or a know-it-all rather than powerful. By being silent you can keep someone's attention and completely control the pace of the conversation. I am reminded of the episode of "The Office," where Michael, the office manager, does intensive Wikipedia resource on how he can better have control over his business meetings. Two of the tactics he discovered were refusing to speak first and taking one's time to respond. Both of these involve the power of silence. In Tanin's article she describes a mother who reveals that her children listen to her husband more because he is consistently using the power of silence. Rather than nagging his children all the time, he reprimands only when necessary and they take it far more seriously. This is exactly the situation in my home. It's almost scary when my dad yells, because it almost never happens. It far more effective than my mothers reprimanding, cause she always going on about something. Gabriele, Isabella R. Gawinski, Kyle T. Tannen reading: The data that states that men interrupt women more than the other way around is really surprising to me. From experience, I know I have interrupted my boyfriend a lot more than he has interrupted me but he takes more offense to it than I do. Moreover, I know the girls that I hang out with, interrupt the guys more than the other way around. Considering how Tannen’s article was published in 1989, I think things have definitely changed since then. Nowadays, women are getting more control over the floor of the conversation. Perhaps it has something to do with the feminist movement but women are getting and requiring more attention than ever before. Gonzales, Paula B. According to Tannen men talk more than women. In conversation the person who interrupts is considered the aggressive one while the person who was interrupted is a victim. Research shows that an interruption is sort of a means of social control. In my opinion that’s true in a sense. When I'm having a conversation with someone and they just interrupt me I get the feeling that they're either trying to silence me or they just don’t care about what I have to say. However sometimes an interruption could be because someone doesn't have a clear understanding of what's being discussed and wants to get a little clarification before the topic is changed. So whether an interruption is considered aggressive or not is a matter of perspective, and it also depends on the situation. Hunter, Khadijah J. Why is there an assumption that women talk too much when the studies done by West and Zimmerman conclude that men tend to interrupt conversations more frequently? When a study was done in 1976 with a faculty meeting, they found that men were dominating the meeting with a greater level of interruptions over women. Is there a reason why males correlate with higher numbers of interruptions? Is it because interruptions can be to “exercise power and control” which is typically associated with male (“macho”) personalities? From personal experience, I haven’t noticed more males interjecting unless it was in a structured debate at school (like a Socratic seminar), but in day to day conversations the interruptions feel unintentional. Kibler, Jessica L. This segment was the first time I had ever heard of there ever being conflict between Koreans and African Americans. I had honestly never been told or even seen anything on the news about it---although clearly it's a big deal in the LA area. I think it's especially interesting that there's one specific event that set it off; the murder of an African-American by a Korean immigrant. That's one instance; did that really set off all of the animosity? Obviously a murder is no small thing, but I do feel as though there must have been some kind of tension between the two before that event. I also am kind of alarmed at the lyrics from the Ice Cube song about burning down the store. That's terrifying, and I feel as though it's kind of uncalled for. However, I do think that the fact that this animosity between the two groups has evolved due to language and how they interact with one another is intriguing: it really shows how much affect a language, or even mannerisms, can have on a culture. Kilgore, Linda K. This article is talking about relationships and such between Koreans and African Americans. When they were talking about and listing examples of when African Americans said that they demanded respect from the Koreans, I questioned, why do these two ethnic groups have an issue with each other? When did the African Americans and the Koreans begin to hate each other? Personally, when they talked about Ice Cubes lyrics, I found that particularly disrespectful. So how do these people think they are going to get respect from the Koreans when they are being disrespectful to them as well? I think that when the 50year-old lady was explaining how Koreans don’t do things like look at you or they don’t smile or do anything, shows that maybe African Americans are just not properly educated in the Korean culture and their norms and expect to be treated the way African Americans are treated anywhere they go. For the article dealing with men and women and interruption, I somewhat began to agree with some of the findings and the stats. Personally, I do see more men interrupting women that the other way around, which is not always a bad thing or something that was meant to happen, I think it just naturally happens. Men are usually seen as dominant and stricter, so I think that women want to hear everything a man is saying, therefore not interrupting him as much. But I do think that sometimes, men tend to speak without thinking. During conversations I have with guys and with girls throughout the day, men do interrupt more often, either to agree, disagree or just say something about the topic at hand. I don’t think they ever mean for it to come off rude at all. Kostuchenko, Hannah F. In the first article, I get the feeling that each party(Koreans and African Americans) are just adhering to their own social norms. We talked in the last class about how Japanese people think it is rude to talk to strangers, so is this derived from that as well? I could see if it was not, as I have experienced it myself while in Nicaragua. I was on a mission trip and when we got to go to the market one day I got certain looks from shopkeepers. Some would even refuse to barter with me but they did not refuse when a member of our group who sounded and looked like a local attempted to. In this case, I feel like the lack of respect it could be influenced by a preconceived notion about the other party caused by past experiences. May, Wesley H. Having worked as a cashier before, I immediately empathized with the black customers in the transcribed exchanges and found the outlook of the Korean shopkeepers that small talk was evidence of poor breeding insulting. There’s nothing more disheartening than directly addressing someone in an attempt to be friendly and being either ignored or not responded to with equal enthusiasm. Half of the time when I was working, I would say a simple greeting and not be acknowledged, and out of those who didn’t bother to greet me, about half of them griped about me being “unfriendly.” (These comments weren’t taken to heart by my managers, as they say that oftentimes the customers that complained about unfriendly cashiers were unfriendly themselves.) I was much more insulted by the Korean outlook on interacting with customers than I should have been, and it’s somewhat embarrassing to say that a PDF made me heated. Despite having been to China, a Confucian-driven society perhaps moreso than Korea, and learning not to take what we would perceive as coldness to heart very quickly, I can’t help but feel indignant that people immigrate to this country and can’t even be bothered to say anything beyond hello and goodbye given that it’s a huge part of the culture of business here. Learning the nuances of another culture is in no way you conceding your own, and if there’s a dominant culture than anyone of any race, ethnicity, or nationality should do their best to take on the most essential aspects of the culture they live in. Personally, I think that this case reveals an overall global disease of believing in their own cultural superiority, which has proven to be dangerous many times over. McAllister, Sarah B. In America, only one person speaks at a time and if another person interrupts the conversation is considered rude. However, in the East, listeners are expected to interrupt to contribute toward the conversation. Sitting silent and listen to one person the whole time during conference is very awkward in most Asian countries. The confusion from African-America versus Korean immigrant makes a good point. Korean is well-known for making fun of African-American in their country. They have shown where people have dark skin make up and do silly thing in front of the screen. In the mind of Korean immigrant, African-American is a bad symbol due to the stereotype at the time. Nguyen, Hieu C. Odom, Jalisa It’s interesting the difference in interactions between Korean-Americans versus those in the African American community. The interactions being quite quick and related to simply business transactions is something I can relate to when I was in Korea. Although since I was a foreigner, they may have treated me differently, it was still something I observed when my Korean friends conducted these interactions too. It fits the style of the culture to have rigid conversations toward the end goal, whereas in African American culture, it’s much more open and social. Before reading this I had never realized how cultures may clash in a multicultural setting like this. Patterson, Erik N. While reading the Bailey reading on communicative conflicts between African Americans and immigrant Korean retailers, it occurred to me that the dissonance between the two ethnic groups was largely amplified primarily by the respective groups’ perceptions of how the rest of western society perceives each minority. Also, I felt as though these tensions could be identified (albeit to a much smaller, more hidden degree) with white Americans as well. Further, although I am white, I found myself identifying much more with the African Americans’ shop behavior, which leads me to believe that it is more characteristic of western, more individualistic cultures. Thus, perhaps this conflict could be analyzed on a more generalized level when simply comparing individualistic and collectivistic cultures. Potter, Ansley D. Price, Alexander N. How does an Athabaskan Indian become familiar with someone if they don't talk to them? I think a lot of the barriers to communication and language or even new barriers can be applied to texting. Whenever I text someone, I know how it would come out if I had verbally said it, but over text, my intonation is completely different from the way the person receiving the text could perceive it in their mind. Something that I never realized was the concept of indirectness in relation to language. I’ve always taken this for granted such as seeing passive aggressiveness in myself and others. I have now noticed that I use a lot of indirectness when I do not want to say no to someone like in the Greek woman asking her father example in the Tannen text. The article about African-American customers and Korean immigrant retailers and their barriers to communication makes me think of another point: I recently read an article that in short said the reason new political ideas and intellectual ideologies can be spread is because they use such an educated and elite form of language, the laypeople are not able to comprehend it. Rhoney, Kevin R. It seems to me that the capacity of ones interrupting had more to do with their personality than if they are a man or a woman. I also feel that interrupting can be related to a power stance; if I am speaking with a professor and he/she interrupts my sentence then I will not be as agitated or say something about it because I feel as if they are able to interrupt my thoughts with theirs due to their superiority. Sometimes interruptions, when discussing with peers, can indeed be constructive and supportive because they allow each participant to biuld on each others ideas and reach a higher understanding. Do interruptions happen less in conversations between a native speaker of a language and a non-native speaker who is leanring the language? Because the non-native speaker does not feel as confident in their communication ability and must pause to think of their replies and questions. If it is the natural manner of Korean's to be less sociable or talkative, then it seems unfair to have African-Americans call them rude and complain when the Korean's are not intending this percieved rude attitude. After reading both point of views of Koreans and African-Americans, it seems that both groups are a bit close-minded in their perception of different ethnicities or races. They see the differeing person as someone who does not confine to their “guidelines or expectations” about being a normal, respectful human being so that person is automatically labeled as rude or not social. Rudisell, Laura H. I found the example very interesting that Tannen used about the woman wanting to divorce her husband because he hasn't talked to her because he didn't want to interrupt her. I think that is funny because I have always believed it to be an issue the other way around- men always interrupting women. Why do people in todays world and society always think of interruption as a bad thing? I think that if it is done in a respectful and considerate manner, it is okay to interrupt in order to get a point across in a specific moment in time. I also think an interruption is becoming a more popular thing than it used to be in the past, I think among older people it can be a very rude gesture and sometimes they can take it the wrong way, even if something wasn't meant as an interruption. Sharifi, Layla J. Benjamin Bailey and his research with the conflicts between Korean merchants and African American shoppers can easily be justified. I have experience the same trauma as an African American plenty of times in my life. Back in my hometown, there are many stores that are ran and owned by Middle Eastern individuals. Some can come off as rude and others can portray a sense of respect towards the customers. When I was younger, I experienced a situation between one of them; where they threatened to kick me out of the store because I they wouldn’t give me change back for five bucks and clearly there was change inside the register. The man used aggressive, vulgar language towards me and I did not appreciate it. Shell, De-Juan T. I think that the interactions African Americans like and expect are what Americans in general like and expect. Why has it become such a Black-American versus Korean-American thing? In reference to Tannen, I have noticed that men interrupt women much more often. I notice it on interactions on the news and have at times wondered why no one corrects the guy. I haven't experienced cultures and ethnicities where people see interruption as normal so I thought it was considered rude by everyone. What is the limit on the high involvement speaking? How interruptive does someone have to be before even they think it's rude? Stuyck, Renee I agree with Bailey that these conflicts between African Americans and Koreans came from pre-existing social conflicts. The reading says that even the most basic communicative exchanges rely on sociocultural background knowledge and assumptions and I can see exactly where it is coming from. I know that without even thinking about it, when I talk to someone knew I already have an idea of how the person is going to be just based on what I see and the knowledge that I have gained about that person’s background. Will this ever not be an issue? The miscommunication of the two races has caused this rivalry that wouldn’t have had to happen if the right communication was involved. Toney, Grace-Elizabeth I find interesting that African-Americans and Korean Immigrants have their disputes on what Bailey deems as a lack of respect. Koreans view respect as a hierarchy where you would only "respect" those who believe have more power over you. African-Americans view respect as treating others with kindness and equality. Korean immigrant store owners found it disrespectful that their African-American customers would try to stir up a conversation without them wanting to participate. Could an interruption in the process of a mutual transaction like buying something a store be considered an attempt to dominate that sphere? For example, when the 50 year old male African-American customer tried to get himself to be "known" at a store owned by a Korean immigrant. In the Korean culture, one would just enter the store, say hi, and buy what they are going to buy, and then leave. Could having small talk in a transaction like this be considered by Korean culture an interruption for the purpose of dominance? Tovar, Alex This week's reading about the lack of understanding between Korean cashiers and AfricanAmerican shoppers left me feeling sad, particularly because they occurred in my home city of Los Angeles. That these misunderstandings have erupted in violent ways is especially disheartening. I wonder what means, if any, exist to educate the two groups about their cultural and linguistic differences. All people need to be aware that different cultures simply have different ways of showing friendliness and respect. Cultural sensitivity could be possibly be part of a school curriculum, and taught at an early age. I can't think of any other way to address this source of conflict. Yaffe, Carol Why are people expected to talk the way they look? I feel like it should be based on where you grew up instead. The sense of judgment is just buried into our genes. I also feel like people are more comfortable talking or interacting with people who are like them rather than those who are not like them. I feel it is this way because they basically grew up with the same mindset and the same ideas about everything which makes them easier to talk to rather than someone completely different. Conflicts usually rise because people have a different mindset from each other and arguments occur. As I woman, I know I talk a lot, that is a given fact. But, I do find it rude when people barge into conversations without being initiated into it and if they don’t respond within a decent amount of time. I feel like it is good to be a good speaker but it is even better to be a good listener. Yates, Asia N. I am, obviously, neither Korean or African American nor know much about their history other than what I have learned in grade school (a.k.a not much). Reading this, I was surprised that there was tension between the two cultures. After reading about it I couldn’t personally understand why there were problems but I see the frustration between the two cultures. Especially regarding the storekeepers, it was interesting reading about how they interacted with each other. Even though it is in separate parts of the world, I related to it in a way how I had been raised to dislike Haitians. Yes, it is racist and gross that I was taught that and automatically think that way about Haitians due to my Dominican ancestry, however, it was relatively useful in this instance as I understood where both the African American and Korean cultures were coming from. I really loved, though, tying in the other reading to this one. Both, obviously, are in completely different context (with the husband and wife scenario versus the culture scenario) but both basically relied on the same principle. It was interesting delving into interruption and disrespect of another person and culture depending on what is considered disrespectful. One-hundred and fifty years ago, it would have been okay for a husband to interrupt his wife at any given time and the wife would need to be fine with it (same with how a white person could interrupt a black person) however, now, it would be taboo for someone to do the same. Zeller, Katherine M.
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