ROYAL COMMISSION INTO INSTITUTIONAL
RESPONSES TO CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
Public Hearing - Case Study C43
(Day C168)
Newcastle Court House,
343 Hunter Street, Newcastle
Court Room 6.1
On Monday, 5 September 2016 at 10.04am
Before:
The Chair:
Commissioner:
Commissioner:
Justice Peter McClellan AM
Mr Robert Atkinson AO APM
Mr Andrew Murray
Counsel Assisting:
Mr Stephen Free
Ms Stacey Hahn
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MR FREE:
Burston.
Your Honour, the first witness is Father William
MR CHIU:
Your Honour and Commissioners, while that is
happening, could I announce my appearance? My name is Chiu
and I appear for the survivors [CNY], [CNQ], [CNV], [CNR],
[CQT] and also Mrs Audrey Nash. I understand leave has
previously been granted. One other matter, if I may Mr [CNY] no longer requires his pseudonym to be in place
and wishes to withdraw it.
THE CHAIR:
MR FREE:
THE CHAIR:
Very well.
There is no issue.
All right.
We will make sure that happens.
<WILLIAM JOHN BURSTON, sworn:
[10.06am]
<EXAMINATION BY MR FREE:
MR FREE:
Q.
Father, can you state your full name,
please?
A.
William John Burston.
Q.
A.
You were born in 1935?
Yes.
Q.
And in 1963, Father, you were incardinated as a priest
in the Maitland-Newcastle Diocese?
A.
Yes.
Q.
You obtained a degree and Masters in Psychology from
The University College, Dublin; is that right?
A.
Yes.
Q.
You then did work as a priest in the
Maitland-Newcastle Diocese?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Was all your work as a priest in Maitland-Newcastle?
Yes.
Q.
Just a couple of appointments I wish to highlight,
Father, just to understand where you were at relevant
times. You were an assistant priest in Maitland from 1972
to 1974?
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A.
Sorry, 1971, in Maitland.
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1971?
Yes.
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As an assistant priest?
Yes.
Q.
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And you said there until 1974?
1972, to Waratah.
Q.
You moved to Hamilton at some point to be the
assistant priest to Father Cahill?
A.
Yes, late 1974, I think, yes.
Q.
so?
A.
And you stayed in Hamilton for the next four years or
Yes.
Q.
From 1975, Father, you served as the director of what
was first called the Catholic Welfare Bureau?
A.
Yes.
Q.
And that's the body that later became Centacare; is
that right?
A.
Yes.
Q.
And you stayed in that role as director for about
20 years?
A.
Until the end of 1995.
Q.
From 1996 you served as the Vicar General for the
Diocese?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
That was for about five years?
Five years, yes.
Q.
You then served in some other posts before retiring as
a priest in 2015?
A.
Yes.
Q.
I want to start, father, by asking you some questions
about Father Vince Ryan?
A.
Yes.
Q.
You were at college with Father Ryan, firstly, in
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Australia; is that right?
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Yes.
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Was that in the seminary?
Yes.
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And you later, also, studied at the same time in Rome?
Yes.
Q.
You were both priests together in the
Maitland-Newcastle Diocese after you returned from
overseas?
A.
Yes.
Q.
What was the nature of your personal association with
Father Ryan?
A.
We were friends, but not bosom companions, is probably
the best way I can describe it.
Q.
You had regular contact with each other?
A.
Not in the sense of regularly scheduled but we would
meet, yes, on occasions, yes.
Q.
Some years down the track, Father, after Vince Ryan
was arrested, in October of 1995, you provided him with
some assistance as a support person; is that right?
A.
Not necessarily as a support person. I went to Taree
to bring him down, but not - I wasn't officially a support
person. I think somebody else was, but it wasn't me.
Q.
When you say you went to Taree to bring him down, that
was on the occasion he was arrested; is that right?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Father, in 1996 an independent review was conducted in
relation to the handling of the Father Ryan incidents in
the Diocese. That was a review conducted by
Elizabeth Seysener and Vivienne Llewellyn. Are you
familiar with that?
A.
I am.
Q.
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Were you Vicar General at the time that was done?
Yes.
Q.
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Did you have any involvement in setting up the review?
No.
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Q.
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Were you familiar with Ms Llewellyn and Miss Seysener?
Yes.
Q.
What was your connection with them?
A.
Ms Llewellyn had worked with me at Centacare, as it
became known, and was then the director after me.
Q.
She took over as the director of Centacare from 1995;
is that right?
A.
The beginning of 1996, yes.
Q.
And Ms Seyesner, had you had some association with
her?
A.
I knew her but I hadn't had much association with her.
Q.
Do you remember speaking to one or both of them for
the purposes of the review that they were conducting?
A.
I don't remember accurately speaking to them, but they
did speak with me, yes. I don't remember the occasion.
Q.
Can I just show you a reference in the report, please.
Can we have tab 70 of the Ryan tender bundle. Father, is
it easier for you to look on the screen or would you like
a hard copy?
A.
The screen is okay, thank you, yes.
Q.
You will see there that this is the report that was
prepared by the independent reviewers. Did you receive
a copy of it when they produced it?
A.
I'm sure I did, yes.
Q.
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Was it distributed generally in the Diocese?
I don't think so, but that I'm not sure.
Q.
This was in November 1996, Father, just to remind you
of the timing. If we can go over, please, to the page at
the top, which is 0088, and if we can just zoom in, please,
to the top of the page. Thank you.
A.
Yes.
Q.
Just to give you the context, Father, the report
considers, you might recall, particular incidents
in December of 1975 when Father Ryan was the subject of
reports that he had been abusing altar boys and that led to
him going to Melbourne. The report here talks about the
events of 1975, that's what it is referring to?
A.
Right, yes.
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Q.
The report says:
Following the events of 1975 there was
a small group, who were aware, in varying
degrees, of the nature of the disclosures
relating to Fr Ryan. This included
a priest who was a trained psychologist and
had a continued association with Fr Ryan.
Just pausing there, Father, Ms Seyesner has said in a
statement to the Royal Commission that that is a reference
to you. Just coming back to the report, the report says:
On a few occasions he wondered whether
further inappropriate activity was
occurring but had no clear evidence.
Just stopping there, do you remember conveying to either
Ms Llewellyn or Ms Seyesner that you had wondered, after
1975, whether further inappropriate activity was occurring?
A.
I probably did, yes. I don't recall immediately the
interview with them, but I'm sure I would have said that,
yes.
Q.
So coming back to the reason why you had that view,
what had caused you to wonder whether further inappropriate
activity was occurring?
A.
I saw Father Ryan and one - sorry, [CNF].
Q.
Thank you, yes.
A.
He was - they were chatting together when I was over
at Cessnock. There may have been others present. And
[CNF] was tossing stones at Father Ryan's crotch, which
struck me as a bit more familiar than I would have allowed,
for example, and it was things like that that were not
overtly sexual or obvious, but just puzzling to me,
I suppose is the - and that's the only incident that comes
to mind when I see that evidence, yes.
Q.
Can I just go back a step. Were you aware,
in December 1975, or thereabouts, of the incidents which
led to Father Ryan being sent to Melbourne?
A.
1975? No.
Q.
A.
Did you know that he had been sent to Melbourne?
I knew that he had been sent. Yes, Monsignor Cotter
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told me that, yes.
Q.
Did Monsignor Cotter or anyone else tell you why he
had been sent to Melbourne?
A.
There was a complaint about inappropriate behaviour
with boys, but that's as much as Monsignor Cotter told me.
Q.
Do you remember the context in which he told you that?
A.
No, I don't remember the context. It certainly wasn't
where he would have summoned me, but I don't remember the
context apart from that.
Q.
Did anyone, apart from Monsignor Cotter, talk to you
about what had led to him - that is, what had led to
Father Ryan - being sent to Melbourne?
A.
No.
Q.
Did you ever speak to Father Ryan about it - and I'm
not talking here about the 1990s when he was arrested; I'm
talking about before the 1990s. Did you ever talk to
Father Ryan about why he had been sent to Melbourne?
A.
No.
Q.
What was your own reaction when you were told by
Monsignor Cotter that there had been some inappropriate
conduct with boys?
A.
Puzzled, shocked, but no - Monsignor Cotter had given
me no specific details, so more puzzled, I suppose, than
shocked by it, but both were there.
Q.
You weren't curious enough to ask Father Ryan about
it, though?
A.
I wasn't close enough, friendly enough, I don't think,
to ask him about it, no.
Q.
So just coming back to the question I asked you about
what had caused you to wonder whether further inappropriate
activity was occurring - you have described the stone
throwing with [CNF]?
A.
Yes.
Q.
But I think you said something along the lines of
"other things like that". Are there other occasions that
you can think of that caused you to wonder?
A.
No, not at the moment, no.
Q.
The report goes on to say that in about 1992 there was
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a [REDACTED] and the way Father Ryan responded to that news
indicated to you that something might be amiss in his
relationship with the young man. Is that, again,
a reference to you - that you had some concerns because of
the way Father Ryan reacted to this [REDACTED] that
occurred?
A.
"Some concerns" may be putting it too strongly. It
was an indication that there was a strong relationship,
a bond between them, but nothing more suspicious than that.
Q.
The report here suggests that it had indicated to you
that something might be amiss in his relationship; is that
a fair description?
A.
Yes, yes, yes.
Q.
Amiss in what sense?
A.
Well, it didn't strike me as anything terribly
serious. There was, you know, an unusual reaction, if you
like, but not terribly serious - seriously puzzling, sorry.
Q.
Did you speak to anyone else about either what you had
observed with the stone throwing, which had struck you as
unusual, or the way Father Ryan responded to this
[REDACTED]?
A.
No. No.
Q.
Is it the case that the conversation you had for the
people who were preparing this review was the first time
you spoke to anyone about those matters?
A.
I think so, yes.
Q.
Father, can I ask you some questions in relation to
the Marist Brothers. When did you first become aware of
any suspicions or concerns about inappropriate behaviour of
a sexual nature by Marist Brothers at Hamilton?
MR McMAHON:
I object to this question, if I might have
a moment with my friend. There is an issue we need to
discuss.
MR FREE:
I will rephrase the question. I think
I understand what my friend is alluding to.
Q.
Did you receive a complaint or a report from a boy at
one point, Father, that there had been an incident
involving him and a Marist Brother at the Bar Beach
Surf Club?
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No.
Q.
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You don't have any recollection of that?
No.
Q.
What about a report by a boy of an incident involving
a Marist Brother at a father-son camp?
A.
No. No.
Q.
Father, at one point in the 1990s, Brother Dominic was
named as the new principal of the Francis Xavier High
School. Do you remember that?
A.
Not all that well, no.
Q.
Do you remember him being announced as the principal
but then the announcement being effectively retracted and
someone else being appointed as the principal?
A.
I heard a - that's - I heard a report about that, but
I don't remember the incident, no.
Q.
Did you hear a report about why there had been
a change of heart?
A.
The only thing I can recall is that some of the
former, his former students objected, but that's all I know
of that, yes.
Q.
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Do you know why they had objected?
No. More precisely, no. No.
Q.
Are there any other occasions you can think of where
the announcement of a principal of the high school was
effectively abandoned because of objections by former
students?
A.
No, I can't, no.
Q.
So that was unique?
A.
Unique as far as my memory is concerned, yes, but
whether it happened before or not, I don't know.
Q.
But you don't know the reasons why objection was
taken?
A.
There were suspicions that I heard related, but that's
all, you know.
Q.
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Suspicions of what, Father?
Inappropriate behaviour, mmm.
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Q.
How did you know about those suspicions?
A.
Word of mouth. It wasn't - you know. Somebody I have no immediate recollection of who to me, when, and
what they told me, but I was surprised that it was Brother Dominic was the one that was mentioned.
Q.
So were you surprised because you hadn't heard any
previous reports of that kind about Brother Dominic?
A.
Yes, mmm.
Q.
Father, can I ask you about the death of Andrew Nash.
Do you remember Andrew Nash?
A.
I do, yes.
Q.
He was a young student, a 13-year-old student in
year 7, I believe; is that right?
A.
As far as I recall, yes.
Q.
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He died in October 1974; is that right, Father?
I think so, yes. I think it was October, yes.
Q.
Now, what was your role at that time?
A.
I was - had newly arrived at Hamilton as assistant
priest and received a phone call about Andrew and went
around to the house to anoint him that evening.
Q.
What does anointing mean in this context?
A.
It is a Church ritual for somebody who has died, or
who - you know, or who was seriously ill and dying, so it
is concerned with that, anointing, yes.
Q.
A.
Is that the same as the last rites, Father?
The last rites, yes.
Q.
Who did you receive the call from?
A.
I don't remember precisely, probably the ambulance,
but I don't recall immediately.
Q.
Is there a reason why Father Cahill didn't do it?
A.
He was away - he was away from the parish, doing some
work in Taree that evening.
Q.
A.
Who else was at the house when you attended, Father?
The mother, Audrey, the brother --
Q.
I think, Father, I'm sorry, just stop there, if you
would.
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A.
I beg your pardon, yes.
Q.
No, that's fine.
A.
The brother, and one or two of the sisters, I think.
I'm not perfectly clear on all of them, no.
Q.
A.
Were there any other priests or religious there?
Not when I was there, no.
Q.
How long did you stay?
A.
Hard to recall. 20 minutes, half an hour, around
about that. Mmm.
Q.
And during that time, did any other priests or
religious arrive at the house?
A.
No. No.
Q.
So when you left, it was only family members there?
A.
As far as I recall, yes. I think the police or the
ambulance had still - had still been there, but I can't
recall exactly which service it was.
Q.
Did you, that night, speak to anyone else about
Andrew's death?
A.
I rang Father Cahill in Taree and spoke with him, and
I probably - I don't recall accurately doing this, but I'm
pretty sure I would have rung the school to say that one of
their students had died.
Q.
A.
If you did ring the school, who would you have called?
The principal, Brother Christopher.
Q.
Is it the case that it is possible you spoke to
Brother Christopher, but you don't specifically recall?
A.
Yes, I don't specifically recall who it was, but I'm
pretty - yeah.
MR FREE:
Thank you, Father.
further questions.
THE CHAIR:
Your Honour, I have no
Does anyone else have any questions?
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MR CHIU:
Q.
Father Burston, do you recall ever speaking
to Father Brennan about the death of Andrew Nash?
A.
I don't recall it, no.
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Do you recall ever speaking to Father Helferty about
the death?
A.
No, I don't, no.
Q.
What time did you leave the house after you did the
anointing?
A.
Sorry, I can't answer - I can't be precise about that.
I haven't thought of a time line since then, so I'm not
sure.
Q.
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Would it have been the afternoon, the evening?
Evening.
Q.
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After dark?
Yes.
Q.
And you are absolutely sure that when you were there,
there were no other priests there with you?
A.
I am sure, yes.
Q.
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And there were no brothers there with you?
No, there were not.
Q.
Did you ever see Mrs Nash again after that evening?
A.
Oh, yes, on occasions - first of all, at the funeral,
and so on, and on occasions after that, but I can't recall
immediately, no.
Q.
Did you ever speak to her in your capacity as
a psychologist?
A.
No, I don't think so, no.
Q.
Did you ever speak to her to offer her words of
comfort about the loss of her son?
A.
I would have, yes.
Q.
Do you know if Father Cahill went and visited the
family?
A.
I don't know; I'd have to ask him.
Q.
What did you tell Father Cahill about the death of
Andrew? Did you tell him how it happened?
A.
I can't recall precisely. I haven't thought - the
sort of words I would have used, no.
Q.
Father Burston, this was a 13-year-old boy who had
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hanged himself; isn't that right?
A.
Yes, who - yes. Who had died.
Q.
Well, he had hanged himself in his own bedroom; isn't
is that right?
A.
Yes.
Q.
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And you knew that on the afternoon?
Yes, mmm.
Q.
Did you tell that to Father Cahill?
A.
I probably did, but I can't recall the words I would
have used.
Q.
Did you have any discussion at all about why that
might have happened?
A.
I don't - I'm sorry, I honestly can't remember that,
no. I don't remember any discussion that I - I would have
but I don't remember what it was.
Q.
You would have had discussions but you don't remember,
is that right, is that your evidence?
A.
Yes. Yes.
Q.
Would those discussions have involved considering what
might have driven a 13-year-old boy to hang himself?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Did you check whether Father Cahill went to see the
family about those things?
A.
I - no, it wasn't my position to check that.
Q.
It wasn't your position, did you say?
A.
He was the parish priest. I didn't check on I didn't need to check on him, if that's - that's how
I heard the question, I'm sorry.
Q.
Do you believe that that was something a parish priest
should do, is to check on the family?
A.
Yes. Yes.
Q.
A.
And do so regularly?
Yes.
Q.
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And to provide them with some comfort in their grief?
Yes.
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And you were aware at the time that Mrs Nash was
living with her children and her husband was away?
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Yes.
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And she was dealing with this grief on her own?
Yes.
Q.
Father Burston, did you tell other people that
Andrew's death was a prank gone wrong?
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I may have. I don't remember the phrase and I don't
remember telling anybody, actually, about it, but it seemed
to me at the time that I could well have used that phrase that word, yes, those words, yes.
Q.
A.
"A prank gone wrong", those words?
Yes.
Q.
On what basis would you have come to that conclusion,
that it was a prank gone wrong?
A.
My recollection is that there was no - now, this is
a recollection of 40 years ago, that there was no sign of
any anxiety or trauma; that he had planned the next day
what to wear, so it looked as though - and he had been
playing hide and seek with one of his sisters, so it looked
as though that could have been what happened.
Q.
So does that mean you applied some form of
psychological analysis at the time to understand why he
killed himself?
A.
I didn't see it as having killed himself. I saw it as
having - having died, you know.
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So you didn't even consider that he'd killed himself?
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There didn't seem to be any indications that he had.
That was my -Q.
And then you went and told other people that it was
a prank gone wrong?
A.
I don't know. That - that - as that question comes to
me, that sounds as though I spread it abroad. I don't
recall doing that.
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MR McMAHON:
Q.
Father Burston, my name is McMahon and
I represent your interests. Father Burston, Mr Free was
asking you some questions about a person with the pseudonym
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[CNF], if you could just have a quick look at that list and
refamiliarise yourself.
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Where are you? Yes.
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Yes.
Yes.
You know that person?
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He was asking you some questions about your comment
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Yes.
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When that person was involved in a [REDACTED], you
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Yes.
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Was [CNF] a member of a family?
As far as I know, yes, yes.
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Was Father Ryan close with that family?
He was, yes.
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How would you describe that relationship?
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Being one of very good friends. He dined at the
house, as far as I know.
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I think you might need to refamiliarise yourself with
the pseudonym and I'm just hopefully not at cross-purposes
here.
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Okay, yes, yes, yes; got it, yes.
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Was that a close relationship between Father Ryan and
that family?
A.
As far as I know it was, yes.
Q.
Thank you. Father Burston, I'm just going to take you
to the evening on which Andrew Nash passed away. You
attended the Nash residence to anoint Andrew Nash - that's
right?
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Yes.
Q.
And you have given evidence that you were there for
maybe 20 minutes or half an hour?
A.
Yes.
Q.
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And then that you made a phone call to Father Cahill?
Yes.
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And possibly Brother Christopher?
Yes.
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Where was that phone call made from?
The presbytery at Hamilton.
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So you had returned to the presbytery that evening?
Yes.
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After making that one or possibly two phone calls, did
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With regards to the issue raised of a "prank gone
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any forensic examination that might have taken place?
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Only via Father Cahill from I think the policeman that
he had talked to - information I've got about it came
mostly from him and that's probably the only place, yes.
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So with regards to the question of whether it was
a suicide or otherwise, the information that you received
was from Father Cahill?
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And you understand Father Cahill had spoken to
a police officer?
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Yes.
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And the police officer had given that information to
Father Cahill?
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Yes.
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Thank you. Father Burston, I need to ask you about
one final matter.
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Right.
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In July 1996 - now, this name is redacted, Father?
Right.
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You were contacted by a certain person, and that
certain person identified to you that they were a victim of
Father Ryan; do you recall that?
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I do.
Q.
At that time, is it your understanding that the police
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already had that certain person's name?
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And they were going to speak to him?
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And what was the name of that - was it a particular
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At one occasion, I think it was that one, yes, he
mentioned the name, yes.
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What was that anyway?
Troy Grant.
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THE CHAIR:
MR FREE:
I have nothing further, thank you.
No-one else?
I have nothing further.
THE WITNESS:
Thank you, Father.
Thank you.
THE CHAIR:
Thank you, Father, that concludes your
evidence. You are excused.
THE WITNESS:
Thank you.
<THE WITNESS WITHDREW
MR FREE:
Your Honour, the next witness did have the
pseudonym [CNY]. That is the witness in respect of whom my
friend has indicated he no longer requires the pseudonym.
The witness in question is Michael Balk. Can I call him,
please?
<MICHAEL JOHN BALK, sworn:
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<EXAMINATION BY MR FREE:
MR FREE:
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Sir, can you state your full name, please?
A.
Michael John Balk.
Q.
And you have prepared a statement for the Commission
dated 22 August 2016?
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I have.
Q.
I understand you would like to read that for the
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Commission?
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Yes. From the start?
Q.
You can begin in paragraph 2, I think, sir. I don't
know if the version you have still has your pseudonym in
it, but you can refer to yourself directly?
A.
Yes.
THE CHAIR:
I think we should mark it as exhibit 43-015.
EXHIBIT #43-015 STATEMENT OF MICHAEL JOHN BALK
DATED 22/08/2016
THE WITNESS:
"My full name is Michael John Balk. I am 64
years old. I am the eldest of four children. I have
a younger brother and two younger sisters.
My father, Kevin, worked for the NSW Railways and as
a result, we moved around a lot when I was young.
I was born into a practising Catholic family. My
family attended mass every weekend. I remember when I was
young, we lived in Caringbah and attended Our Lady of
Fatima Catholic Church. We then moved to Orange where we
attended St Joseph's Catholic Church. About 18 months
later we moved back to Sydney and lived in Matraville where
we attended St Agnes Catholic Church. In 1957 I started
primary school at Burraneer Bay public school. The
following year I went to Our Lady of Fatima Catholic
primary school in Caringbah and I attended that school for
first class through third class. At the end of fourth
class, I went to De La Salle Catholic School which was
a boys' school on the same grounds as Our Lady of Fatima.
I started sixth class at De La Salle Catholic College
Caringbah but part way through the year my family moved to
Orange, so I completed sixth class at De La Salle College,
Orange.
I commenced high school at De La Salle College,
Orange, in 1964 and I completed first form there. At the
end of 1964 my family moved back to Sydney and we lived in
Matraville.
In 1965, I started second form at St Gabriel's High
School in Pagewood, New South Wales, (St Gabriel's). St
Gabriel's was a Marist Brothers school. At the time it was
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a relatively small school with about 250 students and eight
teachers.
When I entered third form in 1966 I came across
a teacher I had not previously. I am not sure if he
started in 1966, or I just do not remember him before then.
This teacher was Brother Romuald. Brother Romuald was an
outgoing, friendly and positive teacher. Many of the other
teachers appeared to be grumpy and lacked enthusiasm, but
Brother Romuald was always smiling and engaging.
Many of the teachers at St Gabriel's were somewhat
physically abusive and harsh with discipline.
Brother Romuald was also physically abusive and a bully,
but I found him to be a good teacher and I enjoyed his
bright outlook on life.
Brother Romuald was the science master for the whole
school, which meant that he taught classes from every year.
Brother Romuald was also the captain of the local Army
Cadets, which was the Darlinghurst-Pagewood cadet unit. He
was also involved in coaching swimming and rugby league at
the school.
In 1967, when I was in fourth form, Brother Romuald
became my class master.
While at the school, Brother Romuald started a radio
club which became very popular with the boys. I joined the
radio club and was also a part of a group of boys who were
all interested in science, and we often congregated around
Brother Romuald. The radio club would meet in the science
laboratory.
I recall hearing rumours among the students to 'stay
clear of the labs and Romuald'. I don't recall where or
when I first heard this rumour. I understood these rumours
to be in relation to sexual issues, but at this time I had
no personal experience to relate to the rumours. I
remember some boys singing a parody a Seekers song that was
changed to the words, 'Where have all the poofters gone?
Into the laboratory.'
About 1966 or 1967 I went to an Army Cadet unit camp
at Moorebank Army Base. The showers at the base consisted
of a tin shed with a concrete floor and a number of shower
heads. There were no individual shower cubicles. I recall
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Brother Romuald standing at the door watching us in the
showers. He didn't say or do anything.
On another Army Cadet unit camp at Singleton, all of
the boys were ordered by Brother Romuald to come out of our
tents wearing only boots and coats for a medical inspection
of the boys' genitals. He called it a 'small arms parade'.
I don't recall whether it was Brother Romuald or someone
else who conducted the inspection, but I recall that
Brother Romuald was present. I think the inspection
consisted of a visual inspection of our genitals, but there
was no touching.
I recall early in 1967, myself and some other boys
were cleaning the science lab after school. I was leaning
on one of the science benches when Brother Romuald came up
behind me and I felt his groin against my bottom. There
were a number of other students around me and I remember
finding it a very awkward moment. He did not engage me in
conversation, and immediately afterwards he walked away.
About a week later, the same thing happened again in
the science lab. On this occasion there were no other
students around and I recall that there was absolutely no
reason why Brother Romuald needed to be that close to me.
Shortly after the incidents in the science lab, while
the weather was still warm, so in the early part of 1967,
I was at the Heffron Park Swimming Pool. Brother Romuald
would take a group of students to the pool after school
hours for swimming training. At the conclusion of the
training, the other boys had got out of the pool and were
on their way to the change rooms. I was still in the pool
and swimming to the side to get out. Brother Romuald swam
underneath me, between my legs. He pushed my legs apart
and grabbed my penis on the outside of my swimmers, on the
way past. I was shocked by his behaviour.
I then left the pool and went to the change rooms.
I was drying myself off as the other boys were finishing
and leaving the change room. I removed my swimming costume
and very shortly afterwards, Brother Romuald came to stand
beside me. He was also naked. He moved very close to me,
grabbed my hand and placed it on his penis. I don't recall
if he had an erection. Brother Romuald told me to hold on
to his penis. I was worried what would happen if I didn't,
so I held it as he asked. Brother Romuald said to me, 'Can
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you feel it, Mr Balk?'
I didn't reply and I immediately took my hand away.
I felt very awkward and embarrassed. I got dressed as
quickly as I could and I left the change room. I have
a gut feeling that I had had some argument with
Brother Romuald at that time, but I don't really recall it.
I can't imagine that I would just calmly walk away. I do
know that immediately following this event, Brother Romuald
began bullying more than he had previously. I believe the
bullying was related to my reaction to him in the showers.
I had no further sexual abuse problems with
Brother Romuald. I continued with the cadets and the
science classes, where Brother Romuald was directly
involved. I was very wary and suspicious of
Brother Romuald from then on, but he made no further sexual
advances towards me.
One Saturday, later in 1967, I don't recall when
exactly, Brother Kevin came to my house. Brother Kevin was
the principal at St Gabriel's. I answered the door and was
a bit shocked to see my school principal. I was worried
about what I might have done.
Brother Kevin said, 'Michael, can I speak to your
father please?' I said 'Yes'. Brother Kevin was very
formal. There was no friendliness in his expression or
demeanour. I found my father and told him that
Brother Kevin was at the front door. I remained in the
kitchen at the back of the home.
A short time later, my father asked me to come back
outside. Brother Kevin was still on our front porch.
Brother Kevin then told me that another boy, whose name
I can't recall, had complained about Brother Romuald's
behaviour and his parents had approached Brother Kevin and
mentioned my name. I then told Brother Kevin, in front of
my father, that Brother Romuald had touched me and had
placed my hand on his penis at swimming training.
Brother Kevin did not seem shocked by my allegations.
His reaction was more in line with my story confirming what
he already knew. He asked me questions about when and
where the incident had happened. Brother Kevin then
assured my father that Brother Romuald had been spoken to
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mention of reporting it to the police. No other boys were
mentioned, and Brother Kevin did not indicate if Brother
Romuald had admitted to the behaviour.
Brother Kevin stayed at my place for a cup of tea.
After he left, I sat down with my parents and dad explained
what had happened to my mother. Mum was shocked and my
parents went on to explain that even in the best of
schools, there could always be one bad apple and that this
should be a lesson in life. My mother also said she felt
very sorry for Brother Kevin having to deal with the
parents in this situation.
My parents' reaction to the abuse was that it was just
something that had happened, but they did not seem to be
too concerned. In fact, I remember that my mother was
mostly embarrassed that she had had to open a can of
Carnation Milk for Brother Kevin's tea.
I recall Brother Romuald remained at the school to the
end of the year, but I am unaware if he had moved, as I had
left the school at the end of fourth form.
When I left school, I started an apprenticeship with
Qantas as a radio engineer. I worked for Qantas for about
10 years. I have also run my own business and worked for
State Rail, the Catholic Archdiocese of Sydney and various
private companies. Looking back, I have moved around
a fair bit between various work roles. I remained
interested in radio and information technology. I have had
a number of instances of unemployment and of being
unsettled in my work. I didn't realise at the time, but
I can identify that I have had, at times, problems with
people in authority. In particular, if those authority
figures fail to live up to my expectations.
About May 2013 I was interested in becoming a married
deacon within the Catholic Church. I regularly visited the
website Catholica.com.au in relation to my ongoing studies
towards becoming a married deacon within the
Catholic Church. The website contained information about
a large number of issues relating to the Catholic faith,
including articles and information about child sexual abuse
within the Church.
I became more interested in this issue and ultimately
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across Brother Romuald's name. I conducted some further
internet research and found a newspaper article with
Brother Romuald's picture attached, which confirmed for me
it was the same person who had abused me at St Gabriel's.
I made contact with Broken Rites who referred me to the
NSW Police.
In August 2013, I provided a signed statement to
police. Brother Romuald had already been charged with
a number of offences and was going through the court
process. My charges were then added to the list.
The DPP advised me that Brother Romuald's lawyers were
asking for separate trials for each of the complainants.
Ultimately, the judge agreed to three trials, and each of
the complainants was categorised based on the alleged
offending. I was originally included in a group of
complainants that was to be the subject of the second
trial.
I was then contacted by police. The other
complainants were all abused by Brother Romuald in
Newcastle, but my abuse pre-dated those other complainants,
so the prosecution thought I would be better to give
evidence in the first trial.
I gave evidence at that trial. It really shook me up
and I was very unsettled afterwards. The police were great
and provided good support through the process.
Brother Romuald initially denied everything but near the
end of the trial, he changed his mind and pleaded guilty,
including to the charges relating to me.
I got to read a victim impact statement at the
sentencing hearing. This really affected me. I listened
to some of the other survivors giving their stories and one
of them in particular really devastated me because he was
a friend of mine.
Brother Romuald was sentenced to 16 years in prison.
The judge said he would like to sentence him to longer, but
he was restricted by the sentencing rules at the time of
the offending. I was happy with the sentence he got.
To me, fault lies with Brother Kevin and his superiors
who arranged to move Brother Romuald to another school.
Brother Kevin should have taken action to stop it. In my
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opinion, it was his fault that Brother Romuald continued to
abuse more boys and it is his fault that more lives have
been shattered.
I have commenced civil litigation against the Marist
Brothers. I am seeking a financial payment because I think
that money is the only thing that makes the hierarchy take
notice. I don't want an apology. An apology to me would
be totally meaningless.
When I was still young, the abuse had a significant
impact on my sexual development. It caused me anxiety and
I was reluctant to socialise with, and was withdrawn
around, girls. I couldn't be my natural self. I found
myself always trying to prove my worth and wanting others
to admire me and to look up to me.
I am very withdrawn and don't make friends easily.
I avoid getting close to people and have had few friends
other than my family. I fear that in old age I will suffer
from loneliness in not having close friends.
The abuse has affected my career path. I have never
been able to cope in classroom situations and would
continually find fault with lecturers or course content.
I managed through self-instruction and on-the-job learning.
I left Qantas because I was restless, where I could
have potentially had a long and enjoyable career. I have
also always loved writing, but I have never been able to
pursue this option either. I haven't been able to settle
into any career and have never reached my full potential.
I have at times struggled with supervisors and others in
authority if they have not lived up to my expectations.
This has had a major impact on my career opportunities and
my life in general.
I have continued with my faith and have been very
active in the Church. Recently, however, I have lost my
enthusiasm as a result of seeing the Church's response to
child sexual abuse and other issues. I have become
disillusioned with the organisation that just doesn't seem
to want to change.
I am angry and sad that the response of the Church has
undone all of the good that has been achieved over hundreds
of years. It has all just gone down the gurgler.
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Until 2013, when I first contacted the police, I did
not think the abuse had had any effect on me. I now
understand that it has had a big impact on my life. I have
suffered from depression, even becoming suicidal at one
time. I have sought counselling, but have often responded
to counsellors the same way I have with superiors in the
workplace, becoming distrustful of them and criticising
them if they did not meet my expectations.
Even today, I don't think I truly understand the full
extent of the effects of the abuse on my life. I think
back to that teacher that I initially respected and looked
up to, someone who could have fuelled my passion for
engineering and had a profoundly positive influence on my
life. Instead, I remember how he deceived me and took
advantage of me, and it makes me angry that he has caused
so much hurt to so many boys."
MR FREE:
Thank you, Mr Balk.
your Honour.
I have no questions,
THE CHAIR:
Does anyone else have any questions?
would seem not.
THE WITNESS:
THE CHAIR:
No, it
Thank you, your Honour.
Thank you for your evidence.
You are excused.
<THE WITNESS WITHDREW
MR FREE:
Thank you, your Honour. I call [CNS], who is
going to give evidence in the courtroom.
<[CNS], affirmed:
[11am]
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Q.
Sir, as you know, you have been given the
pseudonym [CNS] in this hearing?
A.
Yes.
Q.
You prepared a statement for the Commission dated
25 August 2016; is that right?
A.
Yes, that's correct.
MR FREE:
Your Honour, I tender the statement.
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EXHIBIT #43-016 STATEMENT OF [CNS] DATED 25/08/2016
MR FREE:
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I understand you would like to read the
statement, if I could ask you to do so, please, and you can
begin in the third paragraph.
A.
"I grew up in the Newcastle area with my parents and
eight brothers and sisters. I am the fifth child in the
family.
My parents were devout Catholics and our family all
attended mass every Sunday. When I was young, we lived
in Mayfield and attended St Columban's Catholic Church.
Later we moved to Charlestown and attended
St Mary Immaculate Catholic Church.
As I got older, I became an altar boy at Church, as
did each of my brothers. It was always expected that my
siblings and I would attend Catholic school. In 1962,
I commenced at St Columban's Primary School in Mayfield
(St Columban's) a Catholic school at the same location as
the Church. I attended St Columban's until the end of
year 5 in 1967. I completed my last year of primary school
at St Joseph's Primary School in Aberdeen as a boarding
student.
In 1969 I started at Marist Brothers High school,
Hamilton. I remember that Brother Alman was the school
principal when I started. I think he left at the end of
that year and the following year, Brother Christopher
became the principal. I recall some of the teachers at
Marist Brothers included Brother Francis, Brother Cassian,
Brother Bennett, Brother Terence, Brother Romuald,
Brother Dominic, Brother Patrick, Jack Tully, Jack
McNamara, Peter Carroll, Charles Hocking, Kevin Berger,
Brian Wann, Esmay Kelly and Mr Brind.
When I was a student at Marist Brothers, I heard
rumours about some of the teachers, in particular, Brothers
Romuald, Dominic and Patrick. The kids at school would
talk about these three teachers and the common term used to
refer to them was 'poofs'. I understood this term to mean
that the teachers were homosexual, but I didn't really
understand at the time what that meant.
It was also widely discussed amongst the students that
these three teachers were very touchy-feely, that they
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would put their hands down your pants, and that it was wise
to avoid them. I had Brother Romuald as a teacher in first
or second form, but had no issues with him.
Although Brother Dominic never touched me, he was
renowned for tucking boys' shirts in and putting his hands
down the front and back of their pants. I remember one
occasion when I was standing in a playground, some time
between form 2 and form 4, I saw brother Dominic approach
a younger student and tuck his shirt in, and I saw
Brother Dominic put his hand right into the boy's pants.
I can't remember if Brother Dominic put his hands down the
front or the back of the boy's pants. I didn't know the
boy. Another student who was nearby (I don't remember who)
also saw it. I remember he said to me, 'That's
Brother Dominic putting his hands down kids' pants again.'
In 1971, I was in third form and I had Brother Patrick
as my maths teacher. I remember that Brother Patrick would
walk around the classroom and check the work of students.
A few weeks into the school year, I was sitting at my desk
and Brother Patrick came up behind me and started to rub
his hands over my chest and torso. He then put his hands
inside my clothing and moved his hand down towards the top
of my pants. I could feel him trying to get his hand
inside my pants, but because of previous warnings I had
heard from other students about Brother Patrick, I had
a belt on and it was done up tight. He was unable to get
his hand inside my pants and moved on. I felt absolute
terror at the time and disbelief that it was actually
happening to me. I had heard about it and been so scared
in anticipation. I felt equal amounts of terror and
revulsion on each occasion that he touched me.
I was scared of Brother Patrick. I had seen another
boy in my class stand up and tell Brother Patrick to leave
him alone. I presumed that Brother Patrick had been
touching him. The boy was then slapped and punched by
Brother Patrick for standing up to him and was beaten all
the way to the door and out of the classroom. I had been
caned by Brother Patrick previously, and when he used the
cane he would get himself into a fury. He caned hard and
often.
Brother Patrick was a sadistic and habitual caner. He
would regularly cane students for many different reasons.
As a result, I felt I was not going to be able to stop
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Brother Patrick from putting his hands on me, so I tried to
take steps to prevent any sexual abuse. I realised that if
I sat at one of the desks by the window, Brother Patrick
could not come along beside me. I always tried to get to
class early so I could get a window seat. I fought hard
for those window seats, but was not always successful.
Brother Patrick sexually abused me on numerous
occasions during that year, but I always wore a tight belt
so he was never able to get his hand right down inside my
pants and on to my genitals. He would push his hand down
the front or back of my pants, as far as his fingers could
reach, before my belt prevented him from going further.
I saw him do the same thing to other boys where it appeared
he was able to get his hands right inside their pants.
From memory, I would say that I saw Brother Patrick molest
one or more boys every maths lesson. As the year went on,
I noticed that Brother Patrick had his favourites.
In 1972, at the end of fourth form, I decided I didn't
want to return to Marist Brothers, mainly because of what
had happened with Brother Patrick, but also because of the
brutal discipline regime at the school of caning boys and
physically abusing them. I told my parents that I would
not go back to school if I had to go to Marist Brothers.
It was a big deal for my parents and they asked me why
I wanted to change schools. I did not tell them about my
sexual abuse, but I told them I hated the school and would
not go back. My parents eventually agreed that I could
change schools to St Pius X in Adamstown.
During the Christmas holidays at the end of 1972, I
knew I was knowing going to be returning to
Marist Brothers. I was with my friend, and we decided to
play a prank as a form of protest against the
Marist Brothers and let off a firework outside of the
school, near the brothers' residence. The firework made
a loud bang and we walked away from the school. Shortly
afterwards, Brother Romuald appeared driving his white
Holden ute and stopped us. He accused us of having set off
the firework. He told us that we could either return to
the school to speak with Brother Christopher the following
day or he would tell [CNR]'s father what we had done.
[CNR] and I agreed to see Brother Christopher the next day.
The following day, I went to the school to see
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but I went in to Brother Christopher's office on my own to
speak with him. I don't recall him asking me why I was
there, so he must have known about the firework.
Brother Christopher told me that I had not started well for
my senior years and that I had shown a lack of maturity and
responsibility. I told him I didn't care because I was not
returning to Marist Brothers. I also said to
Brother Christopher, 'How do you justify what
Brother Patrick, Brother Romuald and Brother Dominic are
doing molesting kids? How do you justify that in a
Catholic school?' I did not go into any detail about what
I had seen or mention the names of any students. The
interaction was such that it was clear that
Brother Christopher and I both knew what I was referring
to.
Brother Christopher did not seem surprised or shocked
by my allegation. He didn't ask for clarification and he
didn't answer my question. He appeared to be annoyed that
I was anything other than sorry for my actions, and that
I was challenging his authority. All he said was something
to the effect of, 'They are all good, competent teachers.'
My meeting with Brother Christopher lasted about
15 minutes. I don't recall exactly how it ended but I was
essentially dismissed from his office. I walked out of
there feeling pretty good. I never told my parents what
had happened either with Brother Patrick or my conversation
with Brother Christopher. I remember that around the time
of the abuse by Brother Patrick, I did tell my brothers
about what was happening at school and what Brother Patrick
was doing in class.
The next year, in 1973, I attended St Pius X high
school but took most of my classes at St Anne's High
School, the senior co-ed school adjacent to St Pius X.
I completed high school at St Pius X. Years later, I don't
recall when, I learnt that my younger brother, [CNV], had
also experienced sexual abuse from Brother Romuald and
Brother Patrick. I remember speaking to my father about
what had happened and my father told me that around the end
of 1973, he went and spoke to Brother Christopher about
what had happened to [CNV] and made a complaint. My father
did not tell me the conversation or any result of his
complaint. I do remember that the following year, [CNV]
also left Marist Brothers and went to St Pius X.
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In 2013, I was encouraged by [CQT]], a friend of mine,
to speak to police about what had happened to me at
Marist Brothers. [CQT]] gave me the name of
Detective Senior Constable Belinda Morris. I rang
Detective Morris and ultimately provided a statement to
police about the Marist Brothers and in particular
Brother Patrick.
I don't think there was an ongoing investigation
because the police had determined that Brother Patrick had
already died.
The abuse by Brother Patrick definitely affected my
schooling. My grades began to get worse and I would
sometimes avoid school and go truant. I was terrified of
the school, particularly of going to maths.
On one occasion, a friend and I were caught being
truants and were ordered to see Brother Christopher, who
decided to cane us immediately. I elected to receive the
punishment on my left hand as I would otherwise be unable
to use my hand to write when I returned to the classroom.
Brother Christopher caned me six times on my left hand with
great force. He used a long wooden rod of about 20mm
diameter. He seemed to take pride in his ability. My hand
was swollen, bruised and unusable. I tried not to exhibit
the agony of it.
When I returned to the classroom, the teacher
[REDACTED] called my friend and I to the front and
indicated that he intended to cane us. I protested and
told him that we had already been punished, but he said
that he had not had his turn with us. I had no choice but
to take the caning on my right hand, as I could not face
more punishment on the already damaged left hand. He
proceeded to give me six powerful blows on my right hand the pain was excruciating and both my hands were swollen
and useless.
There was a definite feeling, possibly misguided on my
part, that the Marist Brothers could do whatever they
wanted with us with impunity.
I was unable to tell anyone about what was happening
at the school, though in hindsight, if I had told my
parents, I do believe they would have taken action. Two of
my younger brothers did make complaints to my mother
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regarding, in the first instance, Brothers Romuald and
Patrick, and in the second instance, Father Denham. On
both occasions, my parents did make complaints to the
school.
I have suffered from, at times, overwhelming anxiety
since leaving Marist Brothers. I believe that this is the
result of the abuse I experienced at the school and the
terror I often felt when I went to school. This anxiety
was a great detriment and has negatively impacted my
personal relationships.
The abuse has also caused me to be hypervigilant about
my own children. I became overprotective of them. I did
not send my children to Catholic schools.
In later years, my parents often asked me why I had
lost my Catholic faith. I always replied that the best way
to ensure that someone ended up an atheist was to send them
to the Marist Brothers. My experiences and those of many
of my friends and family at the Marist Brothers put me off
religion for life. I feel very sorry for people like my
parents who worked, saved and did without to be able to
send nine children to Catholic schools. Their faith and
trust was badly betrayed. My father expressed his deep
disappointment to me about this shortly before he died." .
MR FREE:
THE CHAIR:
I have no further questions.
Does anyone else have any questions?
<EXAMINATION BY MR BRADY:
MR BRADY:
Q.
My name is Brady and I act for
Brother Christopher.
A.
Yes.
Q.
I just need to ask you some questions about the
meeting that you have told us about, if I can.
A.
Certainly.
Q.
First, I want to suggest to you that you didn't say
anything to Brother Christopher about those brothers
molesting children; you would disagree with that, I assume?
A.
I disagree with that. I have a very clear memory of
my conversation with Brother Christopher. I absolutely,
definitely spoke to him about it. It was the one important
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part of that conversation that meant something to me. I am
absolutely sure that Brother Christopher remembered this,
and it made an impression upon him, for the very reason
that I was on the school grounds in 1974, I was in the
company of the school captain, who was a friend of mine the school grounds of Marist Brothers, Hamilton. He told
me - he was showing me new developments at the school. He
was quite proud of the fact that he was the school captain.
Brother Christopher appeared in the quadrangle and saw me
in the company of the school captain. He called the school
captain over to him and my friend came back very
embarrassed and said, "Brother Christopher just said to me,
"Get that bastard off the school grounds". I'm sure that
it made a great impression upon him that I had the temerity
to stand up to him and say, "What about these guys
molesting us boys, you hypocrites", and I didn't use the
word "hypocrite" to him.
Q.
By that stage, of course, you had been letting off
fireworks out the front of the school and he had
reprimanded you for that?
A.
Yes, that was the cause of our meeting.
Q.
It's not something that you wanted to say but didn't
actually say in the meeting?
A.
It's something that I absolutely said. It's something
that I have repeated to people for the last 30 years.
Q.
Did you say anything about the brothers being
poofters?
A.
To him?
Q.
A.
Yes.
No. I said that they molested boys.
Q.
Did you say that it was only Brother Patrick?
A.
No. I mentioned all three of the brothers. They were
all well known.
MR BRADY:
I have nothing further.
your Honour.
Thank you,
<EXAMINATION BY DR MARICH:
DR MARICH:
Q.
My name is Marich and I appear for you in
these proceedings?
A.
Yes.
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Q.
I would like to focus your attention, please, on
paragraph 16 of your statement, and the context is
a conversation with your parents about your desire to leave
the Marist Brothers school?
A.
Yes.
Q.
You mention about halfway down the paragraph, "It was
a big deal for my parents". Can you explain further why it
was a big deal for your parents, to leave the school?
A.
Well, first and foremost, it was a big deal because my
parents - my father had attended Marist Brothers himself.
He was a very enthusiastic old boy of the Marist Brothers.
The intention - my older brothers had been to
Marist Brothers for six years each, my three older
brothers, and it was expected that all of us would attend
Marist Brothers and carry on that tradition that my father
had started, and he had great resistance to the idea of me
breaking that tradition and leaving the school.
Q.
Thank you. In that same paragraph, about two lines
previously, you describe what you refer to as the "brutal
discipline regime", and you have mentioned this a number of
times in your evidence?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Since making your statement, I understand that you
have had the opportunity to reflect on the significance to
you of that brutal discipline regime. Would you like to
offer your observations to the Royal Commission?
A.
Yes. Well, something that I had always wondered about
was why I took it and why I didn't do something about it,
like occasionally other students did, and I've come to the
conclusion that the physical abuse in the form of the harsh
punishment, the canings, the grabbing kids around the neck
and by the tie and strangling them and punching them
ensured that we were constantly in fear of our teachers,
and this enabled them to get away with it. We were too
scared to stand up to them and say, "No, what you are doing
is wrong." We knew in our hearts that it was wrong, that
they didn't have the right to put their hands down our
pants and do things like that, but we were too scared to do
anything about it, and the only avenue that we had to
protect ourselves were passive means like doing your belt
up tight, sitting next to the window so that you weren't
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DR MARICH:
Thank you, [CNS].
THE CHAIR:
No-one else?
MR FREE:
Yes, Mr Free?
I have no other questions, your Honour.
THE CHAIR:
Thank you, [CNS]. Thank you for coming and
telling your story. You are excused.
THE WITNESS:
Thank you.
<THE WITNESS WITHDREW
MR FREE:
Your Honour, I note the time. The next witness,
[CNV], is another survivor, who is going to read
a statement. It might be convenient if we took the
morning tea adjournment a little early.
THE CHAIR:
adjourn.
We will do that now.
Very well, we will
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MR FREE:
Your Honour, just before I call the next
witness, Mr Bickford has an additional appearance that he
would like to announce.
MR BICKFORD:
Your Honour and Commissioners, my name is
Bickford and I appear for Father Lewis Fenton pursuant to
a grant of leave.
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MR FREE:
Very well.
I call [CNV]
<[CNV], affirmed:
[11.47am]
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MR FREE:
Q.
Sir, you are identified for the purposes of
this hearing by the pseudonym [CNV]?
A.
Yes.
Q.
You have prepared a statement dated 29 August 2016; is
that right?
A.
Yes.
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Q.
A.
You have a copy of that there with you?
Yes.
Q.
I understand you would like to read it. Could you
please do so and you can begin in the third paragraph.
EXHIBIT #43-017 STATEMENT OF [CNV] DATED 29/08/2016
THE WITNESS:
"I was born in Newcastle and was the fifth
of seven boys. I also have two sisters. My parents were
devout Catholics and we attended Church regularly.
Usually, we attended St Columban's Catholic Church,
Mayfield, when I was young. I remember the parish priest
being Father Withnell.
All of my brothers and sisters attended Catholic
school, with my older brothers all going to the local
Catholic high school, Marist Brothers, Hamilton, which was
the local high school in Newcastle for anyone who lived in
Mayfield.
When I was in year 6 my family moved to another
suburb. I should have gone to St Pius X from that year 6,
but because my older brothers had all gone to
Marist Brothers, I was allowed to go there, too. It was
a family tradition.
When we moved to this other suburb, we also changed
churches to St Mary's Immaculate Catholic Church. I
remember the parish priest was Monsignor Paul Simms and he
had a junior priest with him, either starting the year or
some time during the year, Father Peter Brock.
Monsignor Paul Simms was a previous class-mate of my
father.
I started school at an
in July, so in 1972, when I
Marist Brothers, I was only
the principal of the school
Brother Christopher.
early age, with a birthday
started high school at
11 years old. I remember that
at the time was
Some of the teachers at the time at the school were
Brother Patrick, Brother Romuald, Brother Cassian,
Brother Terence, Mrs Kelly, a family friend, and
Jack Tully. Brother Nicholas also taught me in year 7.
The teachers all wielded the cane, and used it often.
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I have a personal memory of playing cricket and stepping
two or three inches over a line. A brother gave me four of
the best for putting my foot over the line. The harsh
discipline meant that all of the boys at school were scared
of the Brothers and it made it virtually impossible to
report anything.
I never had Brother Patrick as a teacher, but I
remember him as an older man, with grey hair. He always
seemed to look a little unkempt. By the time I was in
year 8, I had heard students at Marist Brothers saying,
'Backs to the wall, here comes Patrick.' When I was in
year 8, my older brother had finished at Marist Brothers.
He told me that Brother Patrick would regularly put his
hand down pants of boys in the class whenever he felt like
it.
In 1972, when I was in year 7, the Marist Brothers
owned an area known as Marist Park, now known as the
Shortland Wetlands. We would go to Marist Park for school
sport, although it was a fair way from the school. I
remember early in the year, it would have been first term,
we were playing cricket. I don't recall if I was waiting
to bat, or if I was scoring, but Brother Patrick came from
behind me and grabbed me, holding me in a way that I could
not escape. He then proceeded to put his hand down my
pants and explored my pubic area. He did whatever he
wanted to do for as long as he wanted. I couldn't get
away. I just froze. I didn't know what to do, so I just
stood there.
Brother Patrick continued exploring my genital area
for some time. I distinctly remember his heavy breathing
in my ear. He was abusing me in front of all of the other
students. I wasn't aware if anyone was watching. I can't
explain what it felt like or what I was thinking at the
time, but I was shocked and terrified enough not to move.
I didn't tell anybody about the abuse at the time, to
the best of my memory.
My brother, [CNS], who was a few years ahead of me at
school, left Marist Brothers at the end of 1972 and went to
St Pius X for years 11 and 12. [CNS] told me that before
he left school, he spoke to Brother Christopher and said
something like, 'What are you going to do about this
Brother Patrick?' Brother Christopher responded with
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something like, 'Well, he's a very good maths teacher.'
I don't know if [CNS] told my parents.
In 1973, late in the year, either term 3 or term 4, to
the best of my memory, when I was in year 8, I was with
about 20 other boys from Marist Brothers at Merewether
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to do swimming for school sport and we were working towards
our Bronze Medallion. We were all in the change rooms
after swimming. All of the boys would have a shower, but
we were at that age where you maintained your privacy, so
all of the boys would be wearing skimpies or Speedos or
with a towel wrapped around them when they got changed.
I noticed Brother Romuald crouched down with his back to
me. I remember wondering what was he doing crouching down
for so long as it seemed to be a strange position that he
was in.
Suddenly, he stood up, dropped his towel and turned
around, facing everyone who could see with a full erection.
I was really taken aback.
Brother Romuald stood there for a while with a wry
smile on his face, or an expression that suggested, 'Well,
boys, have a good look at this.' We all just froze, then
we quickly got dressed, got on the bus and went home. Just
a normal day.
A couple of days later, Brother Romuald called me in
to his private office, which was like a room behind our
classroom, connecting to the next classroom. I don't
recall exactly what he said, but it was along the lines of,
just explaining, 'What happened at the pool change rooms is
nothing to worry about. It's nothing you really need to
tell parents about, or anything. What I did was a sex
education situation because I know that some of the boys,
and you can quote me on this, don't have a father'. I'm
not actually aware of anyone at swimming who didn't have
a father.
During 1973, my grades began
top class but I got a report card
going to be dropped to the second
had enough of Marist Brothers. I
said, 'I want to leave, I want to
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that indicated I was
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went to my parents and
change schools, I want to
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I can't remember exactly when, but around this time
I also told my parents about the sexual abuse by
Brother Patrick and Brother Romuald. To the best of my
knowledge, I hadn't told them up until then.
My dad had a meeting at the school with the principal
to discuss my situation - with Brother Christopher. As
a result, I changed schools and in 1974 I went to St Pius X
high school for year 9. I don't recall dad saying anything
to me at the time about what happened at the meeting, but
many years later, not long before he died, I asked him
about it. I was angry because I thought dad could or
should have gone to the school and punched someone out.
Dad told me that he did raise the sexual abuse and really
gave it to them, meaning he told them he was very unhappy
that Brother Patrick and Brother Romuald were allowed to
keep teaching.
My two younger brothers did not go to Marist Brothers
as a result of what had happened. In my family, going to
Marist Brothers was a family tradition and it was a very
big deal for my father not to send my brothers there.
What is really upsetting to me is that I know
Andrew Nash committed suicide in 1974. Andrew was the
younger brother [REDACTED]. A lot of people believe Andrew
was sexually abused by Brother Romuald, which led to
Andrew's death. If that is true, I would be disgusted.
I know that my brother and my father told the
Marist Brothers about Brother Romuald in 1972 and 1973.
Action should have been taken against Brother Romuald then.
It is devastating to think that they did nothing and
Brother Romuald went on to abuse other boys because they
did nothing. I also feel very, very angry because I, and
other kids, were knowingly put in harm's way.
Some time, I think around 2008, following the arrest
of Father Peter Brock for child abuse offences,
Bishop Malone publicly invited people with complaints or
information to come and see him. I decided that I would go
to Bishop Malone about Brother Patrick and Brother Romuald.
I wanted to tell him about the sexual abuse so that no more
boys would suffer.
I met with Bishop Malone and told him what I knew of
the sexual abuse that took place at Marist Brothers. At
the end of the meeting, Bishop Malone thanked me and told
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me he would look into it and get back to me.
Some time later, a few weeks later, maybe,
Bishop Malone made contact with me. I think I met with him
again, and he explained to me that he had done some
checking and could confirm that regarding Brother Patrick
and Brother Romuald, one had retired and the other had left
the Marist Brothers. Bishop Malone then said something
like, 'Well, there is no more risk to children, what do we
do now? Are you satisfied with that?'
It was my impression that Bishop Malone was more
interested with whether I was going to seek compensation
than with the protection of children. That was just my
impression. When I told him I didn't want anything, he
seemed to give a sigh of relief.
In 2008, I don't recall how, but I became aware that
the police were investigating Father Peter Brock.
Father Peter Brock [REDACTED] so I remember taking a keen
interest in this matter. I contacted the NSW Police Task
Force Georgiana to report to them an incident involving my
brother. I was never abused by Brock, so I was not
involved in that matter. While talking to police I asked
them if they were also interested in looking at
Brother Patrick or Brother Romuald. I remember the police
saying to me that Brother Romuald and Brother Patrick were
not on their radar, so unless there was something serious,
such as a rape, they were not able to investigate or not
going to investigate at the time. I didn't follow that up
any further at the time.
Around the same time, I contacted Broken Rites to ask
if they knew of Brother Patrick or Brother Romuald. I was
told that they did not have any information about either of
the two brothers. Years later, Broken Rites made contact
with me by email and told me that Brother Romuald had been
charged. I then contacted police as a result. I provided
a statement in relation to seeing Brother Romuald expose
himself in the showers.
I was asked to give evidence against Brother Romuald
at trial. Brother Romuald was facing two trials and I was
to give evidence at the second. Brother Romuald was
convicted of charges in the first trial and, as a result,
he pleaded guilty to charges relating to the second trial,
so I was not required to give evidence.
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Until recently, I have not been interested in pursuing
compensation from the Catholic Church. From all of the
stories that continually keep coming up about how the
Church covered up the sexual abuse, I have found myself
getting increasingly angry towards the institution. As
a teacher, I teach 11 and 12-year-old boys and that has
brought back a lot of memories about my experiences at the
same age. As a result, I have commenced civil litigation
against the Catholic Church. My impression is that it is
only by hurting them financially that any change can be
brought about. I would also like an assurance that it
never happens again.
I still have Christian values but I struggle to
continue to believe in the institution of the
Catholic Church. It needs to change.
My abuse has left me with a spiritual void. As
a result, I have explored other false religions, which has
detrimentally affected my marriage.
I have also found myself having flashbacks to when
I was 11 years old and was abused, and this is adversely
impacting upon my teaching career.
I was always considered one of the brightest members
of my family, but an under-achiever. I have a great
family, who have been very successful, but I feel that
I have not lived up to my potential."
MR FREE:
Thank you, [CNV].
your Honour.
THE CHAIR:
MR CHIU:
I have no questions,
Does anyone else have any questions?
Yes, your Honour.
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MR CHIU:
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Mr [CNV], my name is Chiu and I represent
your interests. You gave some evidence about being angry
with your father about the meeting with
Brother Christopher, at least until a few weeks before your
father died. Do you remember that evidence?
A.
Yes.
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How did that anger affect your relationship with your
father?
A.
Historically, I remember the main focus of the
situation that brought about me leaving Hamilton was that
my grades had suffered, and that was going to be a reason
for my situation at Marist Brothers to come out into the
open. And then when I said "I don't want to go to that
school any more", my brother had left the year before, my
father went in to follow up on that situation, and the
result of that was that I was allowed to change schools.
I possibly had a feeling towards my father that the
importance of the drop in grades, the fact that the lineage
of the Marist Brothers was a situation that affected him,
and I didn't at the time think that he went in there and
blew them up for molesting his little boy.
I've got two sons of my own who I have reared and
I have managed to not focus on this as they were growing
up. As I returned to being a teacher after a long break,
I came across this situation coming in the news, and I came
across a young student in year 7 who reminded me so much of
myself it wasn't funny, and it hit me like a brick.
And so my father was given three weeks to live. In
that three weeks, I asked him, "What about that meeting?"
And he said, "Don't worry, son, I hit into 'em", and I was
able to let my father pass away without any negative
thought on him being not as good a dad as I had been to my
boys. That's my answer.
Q.
And at the time your father had this meeting with
Brother Christopher, what was the reputation of your
family, including your father and mother, in the Catholic
community where you lived?
A.
I am one of nine children. My father was a shining
star in his family; grew up in Waratah. He studied under
candlelight to make something of himself, followed the
Catholic laws - contraception, welcoming every child into
the family. My mother was the president of the Catholic
Nurses Association/Guild - I'm not sure. She was also
a volunteer for a cloistered order of nuns at Redhead, and
on her death she was given the honour to be buried in a
nun's habit.
Amongst the early families in Newcastle, the
[REDACTED] family was well respected. On her death, 12
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priests said her funeral.
MR CHIU:
Thank you.
THE CHAIR:
MR FREE:
12 apostles, 12 priests.
No more questions, your Honour.
Mr Free?
I have nothing further, thank you.
THE CHAIR:
Thank you, [CNV], thank you for coming and
telling your story. You are excused.
<THE WITNESS WITHDREW
MR FREE:
Your Honour, the next witness is [CNQ], who
I hope will be on your Honour's and the Commissioners'
screens, or will shortly. He is giving evidence from the
remote location.
THE CHAIR:
[CNQ], can you see and hear me?
THE WITNESS:
THE CHAIR:
Yes, I can.
Can you see Mr Free?
THE WITNESS:
Yes, I could - yes, I can.
THE CHAIR:
It's necessary for you to be sworn to give
evidence. Will you take an oath on the Bible or an
affirmation?
THE WITNESS:
Affirmation, please
<[CNQ], affirmed:
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MR FREE:
Q.
Sir, can you hear me?
A.
Yes, I can.
Q.
You are the witness who has been given the pseudonym
[CNQ] in this matter; is that right?
A.
That's right.
Q.
And you have prepared a statement dated 21 August
2016?
A.
I have.
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MR FREE:
Your Honour, I tender the statement.
EXHIBIT #43-018 STATEMENT OF [CNQ] DATED 21/08/2016
MR FREE:
Q.
Do you have a copy of the statement with
you?
A.
Yes, I do.
Q.
Can I ask you, please, to read the statement, and you
can begin in paragraph 3.
A.
"I was born and grew up in New Lambton Heights, in
Newcastle. I have one older sister and one younger sister.
My parents were devout Catholics and we attended mass
every weekend. My mother would even go to mass during the
week if she could.
We attended St Kevin's Catholic Church in Cardiff.
Father Lewis Fenton was the parish priest at St Kevin's
from when I was about nine years old. I do not remember
who the other parish priests were.
I was an altar boy from when I was about 10 to 16
years old. I went to benediction with mum during the week
and regularly performed duties at mass on the weekends.
I performed nearly every weekend up until I was about 13
and then less regularly as I got older and I lost interest.
It was always intended that I would attend Catholic
school. In 1970, at the age of five, I started primary
school at St Joseph's primary school, Cardiff. The school
was on the same grounds as St Kevin's.
I was fairly happy at primary school. We would
occasionally be beaten by the nuns but that was a pretty
standard thing to happen. I completed primary school in
1976.
In 1977, I started high school at St Pius X high
school, Adamstown. I was only at St Pius X for about
a week before going to Marist Brothers High school,
Hamilton. Even though I was out of the school zone for
Marist Brothers, my mother wanted me to go there and
lobbied Bishop Leo Clarke who eventually allowed it.
The Marist Brothers teachers were all cruel and
physically abusive. They regularly hit me with their
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fists, with
Straps, canes, cricket bats, books or whatever else
they happened to carrying. The physical abuse occurred on
a regular basis. I was beaten for the smallest of things:
for not doing my homework; talking in class; not trying in
class; not trying in chorus try-outs for choir, for my
uniform not being right and other behaviour. Being
physically abused was always at the back of my mind and
I was constantly in fear of being beaten or caned.
In 1977, Brother Dominic was the form master. I did
not have him as a regular classroom teacher. The school
principal, when I was in form 1, was Brother Alexis.
Brother Dominic appeared kind at first. He would ask
me how I was settling in and cuddle me from behind. It was
common for the Brothers to cuddle us like this. I had not
heard any rumours about Brother Dominic or any of the other
teachers, but because all of my friends went to St Pius X,
I didn't really know anyone and had trouble making friends.
About three or four weeks after I started at
Marist Brothers, I was in woodwork class and mucked up with
a few other boys. The teacher, Mr Stevenson, sent me to
Brother Dominic's office to get a cane so that Mr Stevenson
could cane us.
When I entered Brother Dominic's office, he was seated
at his desk. I asked him for a cane and he said, 'What is
wrong? You look scared. Are you sick? Come around here
beside me.'
I moved around the desk until I was standing next to
him. Brother Dominic then put his hands around me as
though giving me a cuddle and said something like, 'This
will be okay.' He asked me if I had any friends. I told
him I hadn't made any friends. While he was talking to me,
Brother Dominic began taking off my clothes until I was
wearing only my underpants. He then guided me to sit on
his knee. He began kissing the side of my face and pulled
the top of my underpants away from my body and was looking
inside them. He was asking me if I had any pubic hair,
whether I was circumcised and if I knew what he meant.
Brother Dominic then held me tight against him and
with his left hand grabbed hold of my penis and began
masturbating me. I noticed that while he was doing this,
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he had put his right hand under his habit and was moving it
up and down. He began to lose focus on me and was
concentrating on what he was doing with his right hand.
Shortly after, he was breathing heavily and told me to get
dressed and leave. I believe Brother Dominic had
masturbated himself.
At the time Brother Dominic abused me, I felt very
anxious, I was nauseous and perspiring immediately
afterwards. I felt shame and shocked at what had happened.
I didn't understand why he had done what he had, and I was
worried that other people might know. I did not tell
anyone what had happened.
Brother Dominic continued to abuse me. Usually there
were about three weeks between each instance. I recall
that he abused me on many occasions and the frequency of
abuse increased in winter. I remember this because in
winter the brothers changed to wearing black habits.
Usually, Brother Dominic would single me out in the
playground, or when I was having lunch, and take me into
his office.
There was a room outside his office that contained
things like stationery, where you would go if a teacher
asked you to get chalk. The door between Brother Dominic's
office and this room was sometimes shut and sometimes left
ajar.
The abuse always occurred in his office, and he always
told me that I was special and that he had missed me a lot.
He would always tell me that everything was okay and that
there was nothing wrong with what he was doing. He would
also ask if I had told anyone.
I think that Brother Dominic would occasionally
ejaculate on to my clothes. I remember on one occasion my
mother questioning me about what was on my underpants.
I believe now that it was Brother Dominic's semen. I
remember saying to mum, 'I don't know', and mum saying,
'Well, they're yours. Nobody else wears them.' I don't
know what she thought.
One time when I was being sexually abused by
Brother Dominic in his office, another boy came in for some
reason. I did not have my pants on when the boy came in.
Brother Dominic told the boy I was sick, gave him whatever
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it was he had come for, and he left. Brother Dominic
ceased his sexual abuse of me on this occasion and let me
go. He did not seem concerned that the boy had come into
his office and had seen us.
On another occasion, Brother Dominic undressed me and
began masturbating me. He then bent me over the desk and
inserted one of his fingers into my anus. He also rubbed
his penis on my bottom. While doing this, Brother Dominic
was telling me I was special and how much he had missed me.
I presume he had his penis exposed because I could feel it
on my bottom.
On the last occasion that Brother Dominic abused me,
he started by undressing me and masturbating me as he had
on previous occasions. This time, Brother Dominic also
took off his clothes. He bent me over the desk again and
inserted his penis into my bottom and began raping me. It
hurt a lot. I screamed. Brother Dominic then released me
and helped me gather my clothes. He was rushing me to get
dressed and literally pushed me out of his office.
Afterwards, I was a bit dazed and was wandering around
the lunch area. A lady named Mrs MacNamara, or Mrs Mac,
ran the tuckshop, and she asked me why I had missed lunch.
I told her that I had been with Brother Dominic in his
office. Mrs Mac thought I had been on detention and asked
me why. I can't remember what I told her, but I probably
said I'd mucked up. I did not tell her what
Brother Dominic had been doing. She then got me
a bread roll and sat with me while I ate. I did not tell
her about the abuse.
Brother Dominic never abused me again. I don't know
why. I continued to see him around the school but I was
never taken to his office again.
One time, when I was in form 1, I walked into
Brother Dominic's office to get supplies for my teacher,
Mr Tully, when another student, who I knew, was being
sexually abused. He was standing in between
Brother Dominic's legs, sort of side on, in just his
underpants and socks.
Brother Dominic said, 'What do you want?' And I said,
'Some chalk', and he said, 'Well, go and get it off the
shelf' and I left. He did not mention what he was doing
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seen.
I never spoke to this boy about what I had
The Marist Brothers had a camp up at Murrurundi, which
is about 200 kilometres north west of Newcastle. They had
dormitories there and I think that's where students in
year 8 would be taken for a religious retreat.
We went to Murrurundi in 1978
I cannot remember exactly what the
was, but Brother Oswin and Brother
All of year 8 went for about three
other Brothers there as well.
when I was in year 8.
purpose of that camp
Nicholas were in charge.
nights. There were
It was four to a room, with two double bunks. On the
first night we were there, we had our evening meal and then
went back to our shared rooms. We were instructed that we
had to have showers. The brothers lined us up outside our
rooms. Brother Oswin then instructed the group I was in to
undress down to our underpants. We had our shower kit with
us. Then, as we got closer to the front of the line and
the showers, we were told to undress fully until a shower
became available. All the time, the Brothers would walk up
and down the line looking at us. This made me feel very
embarrassed and uncomfortable.
That night, I was on the bottom bunk and I was woken
by someone leaning over my bed with their hands inside my
pyjamas. I started to make noises and I could see that it
was Brother Oswin. It was winter, so I had long
flannelette pyjamas on. I was asleep, so I'm not sure what
time I woke up. When I woke up, I said something like,
'What?' And he said something like, 'I was checking on
you.' And he pulled back and thumped his head on the top
of the bunks. The hallway lights were on and saw him leave
the room. Brother Oswin was a big man, probably 6 foot 3
tall. I don't think anyone else in the room woke up.
Brother Oswin was my geography teacher and after this,
I noticed a change in his behaviour with homework and
discipline. For instance, I was caned one time for not
putting 'JMJ', 'Jesus, Mary and Joseph', in the corner of
my workbook.
In 1980 I was in form 8 at Marist Brothers.
Brother Alexis was no longer the principal. He was
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mathematics that year. Brother Patrick's nickname among
the boys was 'Pat the poofter.'
It was two to a desk at school. If my desk mate was
away, Brother Patrick would slide into the free seat and
start to put his hands on me. He would put his arm around
my shoulder and then touch my knee and move his hand up and
down my thigh, often touching and rubbing my crotch area.
When this first happened, I was stunned because of
what had happened to me in the past with Brother Dominic
and Brother Oswin.
This continued on with him asking me to stay after
class, where he would hug me and kiss my cheek. He would
say things to me about masturbation and ask if I did that,
and did I like it, and was it good. He would also force my
hand on to his crotch and then ask me again about
masturbation.
Brother Patrick also abused me in the chapel on
multiple occasions when he would take me for 'confession'.
This would mostly happen during lunch. He would tell me in
class that I would be going to confession and he would have
the chapel door unlocked for me, or on other occasions, he
would come and get me from the lunch area near the cricket
sheds and take me to the chapel. The chapel was below the
classroom.
In the chapel, Brother Patrick would pull down my
pants and masturbate me while at the same time he had his
other hand under his clothes and was masturbating himself.
On other occasions, he would make me put my hands on his
penis and make me masturbate him until he ejaculated.
On a number of these occasions, maybe 8 to 10, there
was a priest present in the chapel. I don't recall his
name, but I remember he had dark, greying hair and wore
gold-rimmed glasses. He also had gold fillings in his
teeth. The priest was in the confessional box in the
chapel and would ask for my sins. I would always say
things like, 'Oh, I've been swearing and not doing what mum
told me to do', stuff like that. The priest would ask,
'Have you got a girlfriend? Have you been masturbating?
Have you been having sex?' Usually, if a priest came to
take confession, it would be Monsignor Cotter or
Father Hart, who both lived at Sacred Heart Cathedral, but
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I didn't know this priest.
Brother Patrick would then take me elsewhere and abuse
me after I had confessed.
Towards the end of second term in 1980,
Brother Patrick sat in the desk next to me and started to
touch my leg. By this time, I had had enough and punched
him hard in the head. He fell off the chair and I remember
his head thumped into the next desk. He didn't cane me.
His face was red and he just stood up and told me to get
outside. I was expecting him to hit me back.
I saw another teacher when I was outside,
Brother Richard. He asked me what had happened. I told
him that I had punched Brother Patrick, but I did not tell
him about the abuse. He said, 'Okay, come with me', and
took me to Brother Alfred's office, who was the form master
for forms five and six.
Brother Alfred asked what was going on and I told him.
I said, 'Brother Patrick had his hand on my thigh and leg
and I punched him.' Brother Alfred then told me I would be
going to the A class for mathematics and said, 'Stay away
from Brother Patrick. Don't go near him.' Brother Alfred
did not seem surprised when I told him Brother Patrick had
been touching my leg. I wasn't caned on this occasion for
punching Brother Patrick, but I may have been suspended
from his maths class.
I told mum that evening what Brother Patrick had done
to me and why I punched him. I also told her what
Brother Alfred said. I told her I wanted to leave
Marist Brothers and go to St Pius X instead. I said to her
during the school holidays, 'I'm not going back.'
At the end of 1980, during the school holidays, mum
and I went to see Brother John, the school principal of
Marist Brothers. Mum must have organised a meeting with
him. We met with Brother John in his office, and when we
sat down he started giving me a lecture and saying that my
behaviour was not acceptable, that I couldn't punch people.
I told Brother John about Brother Patrick coming to sit
next to me and putting his hand on my crotch and leg and
that I hit him in response. Brother John put both hands up
in a defensive manner and he replied that, 'There is
nothing I can do about that.' I said, 'That's bullshit',
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and he replied, 'Don't speak to me like that.' He was very
firm in the way he spoke to me. Mum started crying and
I took her back out to the car and we drove off.
It was school holidays, so mum organised for me to
change to St Pius X. I never went back to Marist Brothers.
About a week or two after the meeting with
Brother John, I was performing as an altar boy at
benediction. When I was getting changed into my altar boy
robe in the sacristy" - that's wrong. It was at
St Kevin's. It says "Sacred Heart Cathedral".
"Father Fenton came up to me and said, 'Are you all
right? Is everything okay at school?' I said, 'Yep'.
I thought that mum must have told him about the incident
with Brother Patrick, since Father Fenton had never asked
me things like that before.
During the holidays, after Christmas, before I started
at St Pius X, mum and I had a meeting with Father Tom
Brennan, who was the principal of St Pius X at the time.
He asked me why I wanted to go there and I told him that
I had punched Brother Patrick out and that I didn't like
the school. I told him Brother Patrick had been touching
me and that I had had enough - that's why I belted him.
I didn't tell Father Brennan any details about the abuse.
Father Brennan responded in the same way as
Brother John, putting both hands up in a defensive manner
and saying that there was nothing he could do about it. He
never suggested we go to the police to report
Brother Patrick.
Father Brennan accepted my enrolment at St Pius X
straightaway without asking any more questions.
I had always done reasonably well at school, but after
the abuse, my grades started to slide and I had difficulty
in studying. While I was good at sport, I did not do well
in the classroom. I also found it very hard to make
friends and was very lonely throughout school and following
school. Even now, I only have two close friends.
As soon as school finished I wanted to get away from
Newcastle, so I joined the [REDACTED] that was in March
1983. I was a member of the [REDACTED].
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After joining the [REDACTED] I began abusing alcohol
and was also introduced to other drugs. I was abusing
these substances as an escape from the anxiety and
depression I was suffering from.
In 1986, I left the [REDACTED] and joined an agency.
I continued to abuse alcohol and other drugs, which greatly
impacted on my career.
I left the agency in 1997. I left because I felt
I was drinking too much, I didn't like the shiftwork, as
well as other personal reasons.
I then went and worked for [REDACTED] I worked there
until 2000 and then worked for [REDACTED] and took
a redundancy in 2012. I then started working for
a [REDACTED]. After that I moved to Canberra and
[REDACTED].
Around 2013 I saw an article relating to Father Tom
Brennan being charged for child sex abuse and concealing
the child sex offences of another priest. I then decided
to report what had happened to me. I found Zimmerman
House, through searching on the internet, and I emailed
a man there, Sean Tynan, who said I should get in touch
with Maureen O'Hearn. She was copied in on his reply email
and she immediately sent me through details about what to
do from there.
I brooded over this for about three weeks. Maureen
was quite persistent and would call and leave messages on
my mobile. I ended up telling her the whole story.
Maureen did not seem surprised when I told her who I had
been abused by. It was just like, 'Oh, one more.' I did
not have to try and prove my case. Maureen just wanted to
know when it happened and who the offenders were.
She immediately organised counselling for me and said
that the Catholic Church would pay for it. I agreed for
Maureen to pass my details on to Newcastle police.
Belinda Morris called from the police and I eventually
provided a statement over email. Belinda told me more
about Brother Dominic and informed me that they wanted me
to be part of his prosecution. I decided that that was as
far as I would take the matter and at this stage my matter
has not proceeded.
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Maureen has also encouraged me to take civil action,
which I am currently taking part in, in order to gain some
compensation. I am meeting with two Marist Brothers soon
as part of this process.
The sexual abuse that I suffered at school made me
feel ashamed, confused and unclean. I became paranoid that
if people found out, I would be labelled as homosexual, and
that people would think that I enjoyed it because I let it
go on.
I developed a stutter at school after the abuse had
started, which has gradually got better over time but has
never completely gone. It gets worse whenever I am
stressed or anxious.
I have had difficulty with relationships and have been
through two failed marriages. I have trouble with intimacy
and I am often uncomfortable with sexual relationships.
Usually, these issues, combined with my alcohol and
substance abuse problems, have resulted in my relationships
breaking up.
I have a daughter and three sons and my relationship
with all of them has been impacted by the abuse. My
relationship with my daughter has been particularly
affected. She was very upset when my marriage with her
mother broke down and blamed my drinking. I was an
overprotective father and found it hard to cuddle them.
I have not told any of my children about the abuse
since I believe I would cease to be a man in their eyes if
I did.
I have continued to suffer with mental health issues.
I have been diagnosed with anxiety and post-traumatic
stress disorder and have spent time in hospital, both as an
inpatient and outpatient, for alcohol addiction and
depression. I have been prescribed various medications for
treatment but continue to struggle with alcohol addiction.
I am currently taking medication for post-traumatic stress
disorder.
I still do not have many friends, and I do not seek to
have any serious relationships with women. I suffer
flashbacks from my sexual abuse and am prone to outbursts
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of tears. I avoid crowds and public places, and I often
think that my life has been wasted.
In the last few years, I have returned to the Catholic
Church. I find this peaceful and it helps me in my
relationships with other people. I have also recently
taken up yoga which helps me to relax and de-stress.
I continue to see counsellors on an as-needs basis."
MR FREE:
Thank you, sir.
Your Honour, I have no questions.
THE CHAIR:
Does anyone else have any questions?
MR BICKFORD:
Yes, thank you, your Honour.
<EXAMINATION BY MR BICKFORD:
MR BICKFORD:
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Sir, my name is Bickford and
I represent Father Lewis Fenton. I just want to ask you
some questions about paragraph 48 of your statement.
A.
Yes.
Q.
You gave us a correction about your statement about
when you were an altar boy, you robed in the sacristy at
Sacred Heart Cathedral. I think your evidence today was
that that was actually at St Kevin's, is that correct?
A.
It would have to have been at St Kevin's, because
Sacred Heart we didn't go to, except at school.
Q.
A.
Is St Kevin's at Cardiff?
Yes.
Q.
And is that where Father Fenton was the parish priest,
so far as you understood it, up to 1980?
A.
I'm not sure when he left, and I can't remember when
he started. I think it was Father Williams who was before
him.
Q.
Did you come to know that Father Fenton left the
parish of Cardiff and went to Nelson Bay in late 1980?
A.
I can't recall. I really can't recall.
Q.
That's okay.
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A.
Something like that.
Q.
Could it be that the priest that you spoke to, when
you refer to paragraph 48, was a different priest and it
wasn't Father Fenton?
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I'm really sure that I only served under
Father Fenton.
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Okay.
A.
I don't remember - and it was - I was losing interest
in altar boy duties and sometimes mum would be persistent
and ask me to go to Church.
Q.
In that same paragraph where you say that you thought
your mum must have told him about the incident with
Brother Patrick, can we take it from that that your mother
didn't actually tell you that she had spoken to
Father Fenton about that incident?
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No, not at all.
Q.
So you don't know if Father Fenton actually had any
knowledge about that?
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No.
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THE CHAIR:
Thank you, your Honour.
Anyone else?
Yes, Mr Free?
MR FREE:
Thank you, your Honour.
questions.
I have no further
THE CHAIR:
Thank you, [CNQ]. Thank you for coming and
telling your story. You are excused.
<THE WITNESS WITHDREW
THE CHAIR:
Your Honour, given that it is nearly lunch,
I don't propose to call another witness, but can
I indicate, just while I'm on my feet, a revision to the
witness list as it has been distributed. The next three
scheduled witnesses according to the list are [CQT],
Audrey Nash and Scott Hallett. For a variety of reasons,
they won't be called today. They will be called tomorrow,
I expect. But the revision to the order is that the next
witness I will call is [CNR], and after his evidence,
I expect we will get to Brother Alexis Turton this
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THE CHAIR:
Yes.
adjournment.
Very well.
We will take the luncheon
LUNCHEON ADJOURNMENT
MR FREE:
Your Honour, I call [CNR]
<[CNR], affirmed:
[2.03pm]
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MR FREE:
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Sir, you've been given the pseudonym [CNR]
for these proceedings?
A.
Yes.
Q.
You have prepared a statement for the Royal Commission
dated 2 September 2016?
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Yes.
MR FREE:
Your Honour, I tender the statement.
EXHIBIT #43-019 STATEMENT OF [CNR] DATED 2/09/2016
MR FREE:
sir?
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Yes.
Q.
Do you have a copy of that there with you,
Q.
I understand you would like to read it for the
Royal Commission?
A.
Yes, please.
Q.
Could you do that now, please, and you can begin at
paragraph 3.
A.
Okay.
"I grew up just outside of Teralba, which is close to
Newcastle. My father was a coal mine manager and engineer.
My mother looked after myself and my seven siblings. The
whole family was Catholic.
Growing up, my family was heavily involved in the
Church. We attended mass every week. There were many nuns
and priests in my extended family. My father went to a
school run by the Marist Brothers and said he had a
wonderful experience. Our social lives revolved around the
Church and the Catholic community and it was a positive
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experience.
I started primary school in 1962 when I was five years
old. I first went to St Joseph's in Toronto. In 1965 our
family moved into Newcastle. Initially I attended a school
in the suburb of Tighes Hill for a couple of months and in
1966 I started fourth class at the Sacred Heart Primary
School in the suburb of Hamilton. All of my primary
schools were run by the Mercy nuns, the Sisters of Mercy.
I met [CQT] at Sacred Heart and we became friends.
Some of the sisters were very nice but some were very
violent and would call children to the front of the class
and beat them for no apparent reason. I saw one boy
regularly beaten by one of the sisters until he fell to the
ground. He was very angry about it for many years, and as
a young adult, I attended his premature funeral.
Sacred Heart Parish Hamilton.
From the time we moved to Newcastle, our family
attended mass at the Sacred Heart Church, Hamilton. Around
1964 I started serving as an altar boy twice a week. [CQT]
and other boys, mainly from Sacred Heart Primary School,
were also altar boys. Being an altar boy was not something
I would say I did or didn't particularly enjoy, it was just
part of life for a Catholic boy.
My family continued to be involved with the church.
Both my parents were involved in the running and management
of some Catholic organisations. At Christmas my mother
cooked food for the nuns and my father took it to them.
Clergy regularly came to our house to visit and share
family meals.
Marist Brothers Hamilton.
In 1969 I started high school at Marist Brothers
Hamilton. I was in the top class called 'Blue'. We had a
class master who taught religious education and then
various teachers for other subjects. My first form class
master was Brother David Heinz I did not have any issues
with Brother Heinz, he was a nice fellow and didn't use the
cane a lot. However, the pattern of violence I experienced
at the Sisters of Mercy continued at Marist Brothers
Hamilton.
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Between first form and my last year at the school in
fourth form I had several teachers who I would describe as
very ferocious. These teachers would brutally cane
students for the smallest reason, like looking behind you
during class or having a book from a previous class still
the desk.
I felt that the approach my teachers took to education
was to break our spirits. I felt they weren't interested
in teaching us to think; they wanted us to be a Catholic
cadre, to fill churches. I felt that for some of them it
was a case of 'them versus us', a constant state of siege
regulated by the cane.
During the first and second form I was not aware of
experiencing any sexual abuse. Other boys talked about it,
especially in relation to Brother Patrick. I don't recall
what was said, I just recall that there were references to
this teacher. I also remember that Brother Patrick was
nicknamed 'Pat the poof'. I had no grasp of what this
meant at the time.
I remember one day in first form, in the playground,
Brother Patrick noticed my shirt was untucked. He called
me over and tucked my shirt in with his hands plunging all
the way down into my shorts. Then he pulled my pants up
again, in the process lifting me right off the ground.
When he put me down he had a grin on his face like he
enjoyed it. From then on I kept away from him.
In 1971, when I was in third form at Marist Brothers
Hamilton, I had Brother Dominic as a teacher for an
elective subject. I hadn't seen him before. At first
I thought he was excellent as he was very good at
explaining things, but he spent three-quarters of each
lesson walking between the boys inspecting their work.
Early on in the year, in the summer months,
Brother Dominic came up behind me in class to comment on my
work. I remember it was still summer because I was wearing
shorts. He put his hand on my back and began to stroke it.
It felt wrong straightaway as it wasn't the usual firmness
an adult teacher would use to touch a student. As he
continued commenting on my work he moved his hand down my
back and into my shorts and put his hand on my bottom.
I was twisting and struggling against him but he was
enormously strong. He positioned himself so he was leaning
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right over me and feeling my bottom. I was sitting on a
stool so I couldn't move very far. I locked my heels into
the cross-bar at the bottom of the stool to resist but he
kept groping me.
Eventually, after a couple of minutes, he stopped and
moved on to another boy. I remember he had a smug look on
his face as he walked away. I was really confused by the
situation. I saw Brother Dominic do the same to another
boy in my class, who also struggled.
The groping by Brother Dominic happened this way at
least once a fortnight during third and fourth form. It
used to be a horror for me going into the room. It always
happened the same way and always happened in the classroom.
I struggled against him every time so the most he could do
was feel my bottom up. I avoided him outside of the
classroom.
I remember that other boys would speak outside the
classroom about Brother Dominic's groping. I remember one
conversation that occurred sometime during those two years
with three of my friends. We discussed Brother Dominic
coming around and feeling everybody's bum up. I was
shocked to think he was doing this to so many boys and not
one person had got up and run away from his desk. I guess
it wasn't really an option as we would have been flogged.
In 1972, when I was in fourth form, my science teacher
was ill so Brother Romuald filled in. Brother Romuald was
a very tall and physically imposing man. I also had heard
about Brother Romuald from other boys. They called him a
'poofter' and avoided him around the school. I don't
remember any specific complaints about him sexually abusing
other boys.
On this day, Brother Romuald announced he wouldn't be
teaching us but instead he would inspect our work. By this
time, because of Brother Dominic assaulting me, I couldn't
properly focus when I sat down with paper and I was barely
completing my school or homework. Brother Romuald got to
my desk on the second day and I was worried, because it was
obvious I hadn't completed much of the work.
Brother Romuald bent over double to look at my work.
He started to turn the pages of my book and at the same
time he touched my back. It was worse than
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Brother Dominic's touch. I would describe the way he
touched me as provocative. Again, it felt wrong. He
caught me off guard as his hand went into the back of my
trousers. He managed to get all his fingers and part of
his hand touching my bottom. I was terrified and I tried
to push myself away. I was in fourth form so I was quite
tall but slight at that stage, however, Brother Romuald was
much stronger. I was seated at a double desk and I hit the
boy next to me trying to move away. Brother Romuald did
not even appear to struggle while he held me in place and,
with his other arm, kept turning the pages of my exercise
book. He was talking the whole time but I can't remember
what he said, just that he was speaking normally about my
work. I can't say how long this lasted. It might have
been 30 seconds or up to a few minutes.
There were around 56 or 58 students in the class who
witnessed this, as I made a big noise, and no-one said
anything. It did my head in that no-one said anything and
kept looking down.
I only have a clear memory of being abused by
Brother Romuald on one occasion, but there could have been
more. All the boys were angry about it outside the
classroom. We spoke about it but only in general terms.
I avoided Brother Romuald outside the classroom.
Disclosures.
I did not tell any adult at the time about the sexual
abuse by either Brother Dominic or Brother Romuald. I felt
there was no-one to tell about the abuse. I wanted to
complain but I just didn't know who to complain to.
I remember the boys complained to each other in the
playground, swearing about the Brothers and what they were
doing. No details were ever discussed.
Our parents were quite devoted to the Church and my
mother was not someone I could talk to easily. It just
didn't seem to be an option back then. I know my parents
would get together with other parents and talk about
someone who got the cane at school, but I don't think they
had any idea of the level of sexual abuse that was going
on.
[CNS].
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One time towards the end of 1972, [CNS] and I decided
to throw some penny bungers (crackers) at the school.
[CNS] was in the same form as me. I think it was after our
exams finished but before Christmas, so probably December
1972.
We went up to the school at night-time and threw the
bungers in, and there were huge bangs. We ran for it, but
Brother Romuald and another Brother chased us in a ute and
caught us. I can't remember how it happened, but [CNS] was
called in to see Brother Christopher, who was the principal
of the Marist Brothers Hamilton. [CNS] told me about his
meeting with Brother Christopher within a few days, or at
most a week or two of it happening.
I don't remember [CNS]'s exact words to explain what
happened at the meeting but he told me Brother Christopher
said words to the effect of, 'How do you think this is
going to play with your last years of schooling?' [CNS]
said, 'I'm not staying. I'm leaving the school. I'm not
coming back here.' Brother Christopher said, 'Why not?'
[CNS] responded along the lines of, 'Because of all the
abuse that's going on', and said, 'Brother Patrick,
Brother Dominic and Brother Romuald are poofters and are
abusing guys.' [CNS] said Brother Christopher then said to
him, 'They are excellent teachers and how dare you say
that.' I can't remember exactly, but I'm sure [CNS] also
told Brother Christopher about a specific student who he
had seen being terribly sexually abused by Brother Patrick
in the corner of the classroom.
[CNS] ended up leaving Marist Brothers Hamilton. He
and I went back to visit the school in the new year to look
at a library they had opened and Brother Christopher sent
over one of our former classmates to tell us we had to
leave immediately. So that's the response we got from the
Brothers by complaining to them.
After Marist Brothers Hamilton.
Everything shattered when the abuse by Brother Dominic
started. I found it bizarre that a Marist Brother, who was
supposed to have sacrificed his life the Church, would
grope kids. I lost interest in school because of the
sexual and physical abuse: I used to go home at lunchtime
to get away. After the abuse started, sitting at a desk
made me feel sick and break into a sweat. This has had a
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huge impact on my life. I got six As for my last year at
school but I didn't do the homework. I relied on my memory
to get through.
In my family there are several PhDs and it was a given
that I would continue on to further study. Because of the
abuse I left school as soon as I finished fourth form.
I was in the top class so this was a shock to my family.
Other boys I had witnessed being abused or who had told me
they had been abused also left at the same time.
I didn't want to step foot in another classroom.
However, after school I went to night tech where the
teachers were good. However, I would become agitated and
stressed sitting at desks, so this prevented me from
excelling. I relied on help from my father, who got me
through. I completed the course except for one last
subject. I just couldn't go back.
After this, I worked as a fitter and turner at the
steel works doing shift work. I really lost it around that
time, I felt like I didn't have any reason to live.
I would go to work and come home and sleep, then go back to
a shift without even showering. I would ride my motor bike
at high speeds and wouldn't have cared if I had been
killed.
I began courting my wife in 1977. My wife understands
what I went through, as we have known each other since we
had attended the same primary school. We married
in December 1979. After this I had labouring jobs and we
then went overseas for three years and worked with
Australian Volunteers Abroad in Bangladesh and then in
India. When we returned I got a job in the coal mines.
I pushed through an injury but after a few years it got
worse. I got hurt again and I was quite ill so I'm
basically retired. Gradually since the abuse I've become
more and more withdrawn and solitary. I haven't spoken to
or socialised with anyone much for 20 years. It has been
hard to lead a normal life.
I have been on antidepressants for many years. I have
a problem with hoarding, which I'm trying to deal with.
I have also been diagnosed with PTSD and OCD. I am on
medication now which makes me calmer. I have intended to
commit suicide more than once. I was detained in full-time
psychiatric care for four months in 2014 because I intended
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to commit suicide. There was a lot of pressure building at
that point related to the abuse and criminal process.
I am now heavily reliant on the care and emotional
support provided by my wife to cope with every day living
and keep me safe. Even simple decisions and emotions are
too much for me to cope with by myself.
I receive counselling facilitated by Zimmerman
Services. I have found this to be an easy process and they
have been helpful. I attend the clergy abuse network and
Maureen O'Hearn sometimes attends those meetings. Bob and
Bev O'Toole, and Helen Keevers run the Clergy Abuse Network
(CAN) meetings with a selfless passion that provides me
with a big blanket of reassurance. Without the meetings,
at one point, I would have killed myself.
Another thing that keeps me going is friendships,
including with [CQT]. His family was a real wreck after
Andrew's suicide at the age of 13. I visited them
regularly. No-one from the Church came to visit apart from
the first night. I liken it to someone attending a car
crash, getting all the bodies out of the car bleeding,
putting them on the side of the road and saying, 'We'll be
back tomorrow', and not turning up. In the years following
Andrew's death I observed terrible suffering in the Nash
family. My own grief was always accentuated by the quiet
in the Nash residence where the sounds of Andrew's play and
voice had always been prominent.
I'm no longer a devout Catholic. The spell the Church
had over me is broken because of my treatment by the
Marist Brothers. I am in a permanent state of shock over
the Church's response and how they did not take action to
address the sexual abuse.
Since leaving school I have spoken about Brothers
Dominic and Romuald with school friends. I told my wife
and my father (before he died) about what they did to me.
My father had wanted to know why I didn't go to the
Marist Brothers reunions, because he loved them. I didn't
tell my mum. Before she died, mum discontinued her
subscription to the Newcastle Herald because she was
outraged at what she saw as the conspiracy of putting
stories in the paper about sexual abuse by clergy.
On 8 February 2013, I provided a statement to police
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about the incident of abuse by Brother Romuald. He was
charged with committing an act of indecency against me
along with offences against many other boys. I saw him at
the committal hearing at Newcastle court. He is an evil
character. It was confronting, but I was prepared to go to
court. He ended up pleading guilty to several offences and
I didn't have to give evidence. I had a victim impact
statement had read out in the court. It was the hardest
day, and some of the abuse experienced by the guys was
truly horrible.
Between 2013 and 2015 I provided three statements to
police from Strike Force Georgiana about Brother Dominic.
He was charged with indecent assault. In mid-March this
year, Brother Dominic pleaded guilty, so I didn't have to
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MR FREE:
Thank you, sir.
No questions.
THE CHAIR:
Does anyone else have any questions? No, it
seems not, [CNR]. Thank you for coming and telling us your
story. You are excused.
THE WITNESS:
Thank you, your Honour.
<THE WITNESS WITHDREW
MR FREE:
Your Honour, I call Brother Alexis Turton.
<ALEXIS KEITH TURTON, sworn:
[2.33pm]
<EXAMINATION BY MR FREE:
MR FREE:
Q.
Can I ask you to state your full name,
please?
A.
Brother Alexis Turton.
Q.
Thank you. Brother Turton, you have prepared a
statement dated 24 August 2016?
A.
Yes.
MR FREE:
I tender the statement, your Honour.
THE CHAIR:
Q.
Is everything in the statement true and
correct, Brother?
A.
Yes.
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MR FREE:
I'm sorry, your Honour. I understand
Brother Turton has one correction he wishes to make.
THE CHAIR:
Q.
A.
One correction, yes.
Otherwise it is true, is it?
Yes, otherwise. You're aware of that.
EXHIBIT #43-020 STATEMENT OF ALEXIS TURTON DATED 24/08/2016
MR FREE:
Q.
I understand that there's a correction you
wish to make to what you had said in paragraph 56 of your
statement; is that right?
A.
Yes, paragraph 56. Omit "Monsignor Usher".
Q.
So your recollection now is - I'll ask you some more
questions about this later - that you discussed Mr [CNJ]'s
complaint only with Father Lucas?
A.
I'm not absolutely sure. I'm sure of Father Lucas,
yes.
Q.
Thank you. There are no other corrections you have
identified that you wish to make to your statement?
A.
No.
Q.
You've set out in your statement, Brother Alexis, some
of your professional background. There are just some
particular elements I wanted to ask you about. You joined
the Marist Brothers in 1957; is that right?
A.
Yes, that's correct.
Q.
At what age did you begin your education to join the
Order?
A.
To join the Order?
Q.
A.
Yes.
I was 18.
Q.
Thank you. You taught in the Marist Brothers
secretary schools after entering the Order; is that right?
A.
That's correct.
Q.
You after studying in Sydney you taught in Randwick in
1963; is that right?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Then you moved to Ashgrove in Brisbane?
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A.
Yes.
Q.
You stayed there teaching at the Marist College for
12-odd years, from 1964 through to about 1976?
A.
Thirteen I think, yes.
Q.
Thirteen. Thank you. For the period from 1971
through to 1976 you were the principal at Ashgrove?
A.
Yes.
Q.
After that, you became the principal of Marist
Brothers High School in Hamilton?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
And that was for a period of two years?
Two years.
Q.
And at that time you were also the Superior of the
Marist Brothers community in Hamilton?
A.
(Nods).
Q.
For those who aren't aware, can you just explain what
the role of a Superior is?
A.
The role of the Superior is essentially the personal,
pastoral and spiritual welfare of the Brothers, community
living, care and support if they're ill, as distinct from
the particular ministry they might be doing outside the
community.
Q.
So it is based on a group of Brothers who are living
in the same community?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
In 1983 you became the Vice Provincial; is that right?
Yes, that's correct.
Q.
A.
The Provincial at the time was Brother Alman Dwyer?
Alman, yes.
Q.
And then, following that, in 1989 you yourself became
the Provincial?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
You stayed in that position until 1995?
1995, yes.
Q.
There has been some restructuring of the
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Marist Brothers provinces since that time; is that right?
A.
That's correct.
Q.
At the time you were the Provincial, what was your
area of responsibility?
A.
You mean the geographical or -Q.
Yes, what was the province?
A.
The province was basically northern NSW, Queensland,
Canberra, ACT, with supplying staff for PNG but not being
directly responsible for it.
Q.
You mentioned northern NSW. Did it encompass the rest
of NSW?
A.
It went down as far as - well, for example, the other
half of the administration of the Marist Brothers included
places like Forbes, Leeton, Griffith and Broken Hill.
Q.
Thank you. So you served in that position as the
Provincial until 1995?
A.
That's correct, mid-1995.
Q.
And as Provincial, you were, effectively, the most
senior Marist Brother in that province; is that right?
A.
Yes.
Q.
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After 1995, Michael Hill became the Provincial?
That's correct.
Q.
You then took up a different role as the Superior of
the Marist Brothers community at Ashgrove from 2000; is
that right?
A.
2000, yes, Superior at Ashgrove.
Q.
A.
You stayed there for five years or so?
Six years, yes.
Q.
You were also appointed as the Director of
Professional Standards for the Marist Brothers in 2002; is
that right?
A.
Yes, I'm not sure of the date, but -Q.
A.
Around 2002?
Yes, 2002 would be the year.
Q.
What was that position?
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A.
Basically, it was to receive complaints, especially in
the area of abuse - physical and sexual mainly - and to
respond to complainants and to report that to the
Provincial.
Q.
Thank you. Was that a direct reporting arrangement
between you and the Provincial?
A.
Usually direct, yes.
Q.
Did that position exist before 2002?
A.
No, I don't think so. Up until then, the Provincial
would take overall responsibility for such areas.
Q.
So that was a new initiative to create a specific
position?
A.
Yes.
Q.
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And you were the first person to hold the position?
I was the first person, yes.
Q.
You held that position until about 2012; is that
right?
A.
Yes.
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Then in 2014 you retired from active service?
Yes, that's right.
Q.
I wanted to ask you some questions about
Brother Dominic who you're familiar with, and his full name
is Darcy John O'Sullivan; is that right?
A.
I believe so, yes.
Q.
You worked with him on two different occasions
yourself - firstly in Ashgrove in 1965; is that right?
A.
The exact year I'm not sure, but I was with him at
Ashgrove, yes.
Q.
A.
You were both teaching there at the same time?
Yes, we were both on the staff.
Q.
A.
And you were both just staff teachers?
Sorry?
Q.
You were both just staff teachers; neither of you was
in a position of authority at the school?
A.
Yes. I mean, I was science master but not in any
higher position than that, yes.
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Thank you. Then in 1977, in Hamilton, you were also
both in the same school?
A.
Yes.
Q.
On that occasion you were the principal and
Brother Dominic was the teacher; is that right?
A. Yes.
Q.
I think you've said in your statement you didn't
receive or hear of any complaints regarding Brother Dominic
during either of those periods?
A.
No, I didn't hear anything.
Q.
Could I ask you to look at a document at tab 39 in the
Marist Brother's bundle, if we could have that up. Is it
more convenient for you, Brother - you can either look at
it on the screen or we can get you a paper copy if it's
easier.
A.
I think I'm okay.
Q.
On the screen is a document - we can scroll down to
the bottom, please, just to help you in understanding the
document and its date. If we go down a little further, you
will see the date. This was a letter written by you as the
Provincial. Could we come back up to the top. This was,
in 1991, a letter seeking Board of Teacher Registration for
Brother Dominic in Queensland. Is that something that you
needed to get when you were moving Brothers from State to
State?
A.
I can't recall exactly the reason, but I do remember,
in Queensland, if you didn't have formal teacher training,
you had to get a reference from someone to say you were
doing teacher training and you could teach, yes.
Q.
You will see there it starts by saying:
I have known Brother Dominic for over
thirty years.
That suggests an association going back to some time
earlier than 1961. Did you have an association going back
that far?
A.
Sorry, I'm just trying to work out dates.
Q.
A.
We can scroll down to it again, but this is May 1991?
I had known him since he'd become a brother, put it
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that way, yes.
Q.
So you'd known him before you worked together in
Ashgrove?
A.
Yes. I didn't know him well, but just would meet him
as you meet any Brothers, unless you're on the same staff.
Q.
You expressed the view in this letter that, "He is a
man of exceptional character and integrity. His personal
values provide an excellent model for young people whom he
might encounter in his role as educator." Is that a fair
summary of what you thought of Brother Dominic in 1991?
A.
I had heard nothing to the contrary and I think that's
a fair summary, yes.
Q.
You received a report --
COMMISSIONER MURRAY:
Q.
Just before you leave that,
Brother Turton, I see in there a line, "I have known him as
his confrere, fellow staff member and headmaster." What
did you mean by "confrere"?
A.
"Confrere" simply means a group of Brothers, Brothers
living in the same community.
Q.
A.
In the one community?
Yes.
COMMISSIONER MURRAY:
Thank you.
MR FREE:
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Can we have, please, the document at tab 59
of the Marist Brothers bundle. Can you scroll down a
little just to see the date, please. Do you see this is a
document dated 11 November 1994?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Go back up to the top, please. You have seen this
document recently when you were preparing your statement,
Brother?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Is this a file note that you prepared?
Yes, I believe it is, yes.
Q.
A.
So you were Provincial at this time?
Yes, I was Provincial.
Q.
It is headed "Special Issues re AB29".
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reference we see in various documents, "AB29".
reference to Brother Dominic?
A.
Yes.
That is a
Q.
What does "AB" mean or stand for?
A.
It's an unusual story, but my understanding and my
memory is that the - when the issue of insurance and abuse
came up, the insurance company said there were certain
conditions before they would consider compensation or
payments, and so they needed to know a nomination of anyone
who had been in any way mentioned, or anything like that,
in terms of possible abuse, and they just gave those names
the random "AB", because it was going to be a list of names
and they were numbered, and that's about what it is.
There's nothing more to it than that.
Q.
Anyway, where we see references to "AB29" we can read
that as a reference to Brother Dominic, is that the case?
A.
Yes.
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This records a phone call from "PP" and I understand
from your statement "PP" means parish priest?
A.
Yes.
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What does "ONI" mean?
I'm sorry.
Q.
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I think it says "Phone call from PP at ONI"?
Yes, that's Casino.
Q.
And the parish priest in question was a
Father Hackett; is that right?
A.
I'm sorry?
Q.
A.
Father Hackett was the parish priest?
I believe so. "RH" - I think that's Hackett.
Q.
Thank you. This was reporting that he'd been
approached by a young man with a history of paranoid
schizophrenia accusing AB29. The claim was that in 1981,?
... AB29 called him into his office, put
his arm around his shoulders and touched
him genitally inside his trousers. Claim
that AB29 made a comment about girls
maturing more quickly than boys.
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It then says:
A lad, CNM, had been very angry with AB29
earlier because he had dismissed certain
students from the school for writing
graffiti and slanderous comments about the
Principal.
Now, is it the case that "CNM", who is the referred to
here, is the person who had been making claims about being
touched by AB29?
A.
That's not my understanding, no. It was a totally
separate person.
Q.
Then:
The statement was that that was the only
incident and no events of a similar nature
were known. The young man wanted to be
reassured that there was no likelihood of
AB29 causing harm to students. The parish
priest (RH) contacted Provincial and
Provincial will raise the matter with AB29.
So at least at this point, had you had any conversation
with the young man in question?
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You mean "CNM" or the other young man?
Q.
Either.
A.
No, I had no conversation with them.
them.
I didn't know
Q.
So this was just reporting what had been relayed by
Father Hackett?
A.
Mmm.
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Could we scroll down, please, to the handwriting at
the bottom of the page. Is this your handwriting -A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
-- Father Alexis?
Yes, I believe it is.
Q.
Could you please read that for us, if you're able?
A.
"Further conversation with the parish priest of
Casino. Lad was pleased to know the message had been
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challenged if there was no evidence of similar charge then
or since. That is the case. Further advice from
Father Brian Lucas - if lad is concerned then he should
make direct approach to the Marist Brothers and present his
case, subject to reasonable medical checking of his
schizophrenic condition."
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Thank you. Did Father Hackett explain why he was
bringing this complaint to your attention?
A.
I don't recall him going into any great explanation,
except that he felt he should pass it on, even though the
medical condition of the lad was very questionable.
Q.
Was he passing it on to you because it was a complaint
in relation to a Marist Brother?
A.
I believe so, yes.
Q.
Would that be consistent with your expectation, that
you would have complaints relating to a Marist Brother
relayed to you as the Provincial -A.
Yes.
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-- because of your responsibility for the Order
generally?
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(Witness nods).
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Did Father Hackett give any indication about whether
he was going to take any action in relation to the
complaint?
A.
That I don't know. I don't recall anything like that.
No, he didn't give me any indication of that.
Q.
Was it the case that he was reporting it to you and
otherwise leaving it to you to deal with it as you saw fit?
A.
No, I'd be - no, I don't really know any further than
that, other than he wanted me to know and that he would try
to get on with the healing of this man in the way he was
helping him. That's all I recall about that.
Q.
Just in terms of your own thinking at the time, did
you approach the matter on the basis that it was up to you
to respond in terms of any action that might be taken in
relation to Brother Dominic?
A.
Yes. I'm not exactly sure; it's some time ago now.
I believe I asked Brother Dominic about it, but I don't
have it in - that's all I can say. I have written the
notes and there's nothing in the notes there that say that.
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I think there may be another note somewhere, I'm not sure.
I know I did ask him about - I presume I asked him about
this and he said, "There's nothing to it", and I asked him
about the graffiti and my recollection is that he just
said, "Well, we do expel people for graffiti" and there was
graffiti, that much I know.
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This is your recollection of a conversation with
Brother Dominic, is it?
A.
Yes. The specifics - exactly where, whether I spoke
to him personally or phoned him - I just can't remember,
but yes.
Q.
One of the points you've made as being relayed to you
by Father Hackett - this was up the top in the typed
section, you've said:
The young man wanted to be reassured that
there was no likelihood of AB29 causing
harm to students.
What steps did you take to address that concern?
A.
On the basis of what I - the information I had, I was
waiting for the approach that Father Lucas was talking
about, that it would be directly made to us and that we
could respond, if it was substantiated, but at that stage,
given the circumstances of this, I accepted the reassurance
of Brother Dominic.
Q.
Just taking it one step at a time, in terms of
responding directly to the complaint that this young man
had of his own inappropriate touching by Brother Dominic,
you spoke to Father Lucas about what to do; is that right?
A.
Yes.
THE CHAIR:
A.
Sorry?
Q.
Why did you speak to Father Lucas?
Q.
Why did you speak to Father Lucas?
A.
Father Lucas was the nominated representative in the
special issues position of the Church through the protocols
that were initially begun in 1990 and developed through,
and the next protocol, Towards Healing, wasn't complete
until 1996, I don't think.
Q.
So the official position was that you were required,
was it, to tell Father Lucas of any allegations that you
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had?
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That was the recommendation of the Church's protocol
and happened for many, many - that would happen; I would
check with him.
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A.
So you reported many cases to him?
Yes, we had quite a number of cases, yes, your Honour.
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Did he report back to you?
A.
Well, he would always give you advice as to what step
to take and that was the - in the handwriting there, yes.
Q.
Did Father Lucas, to your knowledge, go and talk to
any of the Brothers who had been the subject of
allegations?
A.
Sometimes, yes; others, no. That wasn't a
consistent - there was no consistent response to that.
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Did he do that at your suggestion or did he do that of
his own initiative - that is, talk to Brothers?
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He would usually give advice as to whether it was
appropriate for the person concerned to come and see him.
Q.
In your discussions with him, what did he tell you
were the reasons why he would get a Brother to go and see
him as opposed to not?
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Sorry, your Honour, I didn't quite catch that.
Q.
In your discussions with Father Lucas, what were you
given to understand as Father Lucas's reasons for
interviewing a brother or not interviewing a brother?
A.
I can't remember the conversation getting particularly
to that point. I recall the advice that he gave to pass on
to the complainant.
Q.
Yes, but in all the cases that you referred to him,
you would have had discussions with him, I assume?
A.
I would have discussions with?
Q.
Father Lucas, about the cases that you referred to
him?
A.
Oh, yes, in informing him of the case, yes, your
Honour.
Q.
And, as far as you could tell, what were the reasons
Father Lucas was choosing to meet with a brother or not
with a brother about whom there had been allegations made?
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A.
I'm not sure I can answer that. Sometimes he just
would say, "I would like to see the man", or he would give
me advice, as in this case here, to recommend to the
complainant to make a direct approach to us to follow it
up.
Q.
What was the nature of your communication to
Father Lucas? Did you tell him that you had received an
allegation? What was the nature of your communication to
him?
A.
Precisely, at this stage, I couldn't say exactly the
way the conversation went, but I would normally have
conveyed what was in the note, in the typed note there, to
him.
Q.
A.
So you would convey the allegation?
Yes.
Q.
Did you yourself ever speak to the Brother in the
circumstances where an allegation had come forward?
A.
I'm not sure whether it's in a note, but I believe
I did ask him and he denied it.
Q.
That's Brother Dominic, but what about other Brothers,
did you speak to other Brothers against whom there were
allegations?
A.
Do you mean generally speaking, if ever there was an
allegation?
Q.
A.
Yes, against other Brothers - did you speak to them?
Yes.
Q.
And did you speak to them before you spoke to
Father Lucas or after?
A.
I'm not sure there was absolute consistency there. It
would depend on the way in which it came; if a person
admitted an offence, whatever. But I don't think there was
a consistency there.
Q.
A.
So you had some people who admitted an offence to you?
Oh, yes.
Q.
Do we have those names?
MR FREE:
I'm sure we can get them, your Honour, at least
some of them.
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THE CHAIR:
I think we should ask Brother Turton to tell
us, but maybe write them down.
MR FREE:
THE CHAIR:
Yes, I think that might be appropriate.
Can we give the Brother a pen and paper?
Q.
Would you write down the names of the people who
admitted to you they'd committed an offence.
A.
You mean - I'm not quite sure I understand, your
Honour.
Q.
You responded by saying that some Brothers admitted to
you that they'd committed an offence. I would like you to
write down the names of those who had admitted to you that
they'd committed an offence?
A.
You mean -Q.
Their names, I mean.
A.
I'd have to go back through lists to remind me of
that. I was Provincial for five years and Professional
Standards for 10.
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Do the best you can now, before we go back through
lists. Just write down the names of those you can
remember.
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(Witness does as requested). Your Honour, I'd have to
go through - I'd need to go back through my lists, and so
on, because I've got -Q.
How many do you think there were, from memory?
A.
No, I wouldn't even guess that. I'd have to look at
the list, the AB list, and so on.
Q.
Would it be more than 10?
A.
It's over a period of 15 years - I would think so,
yes.
THE CHAIR:
All right. We might make arrangements to see
what we can do about providing a list, Mr Free.
MR FREE:
THE CHAIR:
officer.
Yes, your Honour.
Can you give that piece of paper to the
Mr Free, can you get your people to check and see
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whether there's any problem in publishing at least those
names.
MR FREE:
Thank you, your Honour. Is there a way of
having that marked for identification?
THE CHAIR:
I was going to get you to give it to me.
MR FREE:
We'll take the two names and give you that, your
Honour. Thank you. I might just have it shown to
Brother Alexis's counsel. They're in the back row, your
Honour.
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Brother, when a Brother admitted to you
that they had committed an offence, did you tell
Father Lucas that they had admitted to you that they'd
committed an offence?
A.
I couldn't - I couldn't say in every case, because
every case depends on the circumstances in which it came
up, but usually I would, yes.
Q.
It would be a strange conversation if you didn't tell
Father Lucas that they'd told you they'd committed an
offence, wouldn't it?
A.
Yes.
Q.
So can we assume that you did tell Father Lucas in
every case?
A.
I couldn't say in every case I did, because if an
offence is admitted, then we automatically go on to the
next stage of dealing with that process, whether it is
with - concerning the victim or the person.
Q.
But you would go on to that next stage in consultation
with Father Lucas; is that right?
A.
Initially. Once the Church set up its Catholic
Professional Standards - you're aware of that?
Q.
A.
Yes.
Okay.
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MR FREE:
Mr Free.
Thank you, your Honour.
Q.
Could I just bring you back, Brother Alexis, to the
particular complaint conveyed by Father Hackett. One of
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the notes you had there was - and this was in the
handwritten annotation - that the man in question who was
bringing the complaint "did not want the man to be
challenged if there was no similar charge then or since."
And you've written, "That is the case." Firstly, is this
an issue you encountered more generally, that it was not
uncommon for complainants to be wary, not wanting to be the
sole complainant; they wanted to know if there were others
also bringing complaints against someone?
A.
It would occasionally come up. My sense is, without
having done numbers, that it was the minority rather than
the majority; that if people made a complaint, they made a
complaint and they wanted it followed up, mmm.
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But some, who you think were in the minority, would
only want action if there were -A.
A few, whatever the reason, I'm not sure.
Q.
Firstly, the suggestion is that he did not want the
man - by which I take it you mean Brother Dominic - he
didn't want Brother Dominic to be challenged if there was
no evidence of similar charge then or since?
A.
Mmm.
Q.
But your recollection is you did, nevertheless,
challenge Brother Dominic?
A.
I don't know that it's in my notes and this is now
memory, but I think I did, yes.
Q.
What, to the best of your memory, was his response?
A.
The best of my memory is his response was denying the
offence, hence, he remained in the job, yes.
Q.
When you'd written this note in January of 1995, "That
is the case" - you've got the note there, Brother - so
"That is the case", that there hadn't been evidence of a
similar charge then or since. What did you base that on in
saying that this is the case?
A.
Oh, just based it on my knowledge. To the best of my
knowledge, I had no knowledge of any other case or
allegation.
Q.
So none had been brought specifically to your
knowledge as the Provincial at that stage?
A.
I don't think so, no.
Q.
Or previously?
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A.
Or previously.
Q.
Did you make any inquiries of anyone about whether
Brother Dominic had been the subject of any earlier
complaints?
A.
No, I didn't go further then, but in the sense that
I would - being Provincial, I would usually know if there
was any formal complaint had come in.
Q.
The other thing that had been advised by
Father Hackett - and we can come back up to the typed
section of the note - is that "the young man wanted to be
reassured that there was no likelihood of AB29 causing harm
to students." Did you do anything to work out whether he
could be given that assurance? Do you see the reference
I'm take you to there? It is in the third paragraph.
A.
Given the circumstances of everything, there was no
other action taken, because it was all subject to further
response, if it was to be done, from the young man.
Q.
In what sense was it subject to further response from
the young man?
A.
Awaiting a response from him to approach us directly.
Q.
And that was because that was Father Lucas's
suggestion, that a message should be conveyed back to the
complainant that if he wanted to press it further, he
should bring the complaint direct to the Marist Brothers?
A.
That's correct.
Q.
And did that happen?
A.
No. Well, not that I'm aware of, put it that way.
That was very close to the end of my term as Provincial, so
if anything happened subsequent to that, I wasn't aware of
it.
Q.
Thank you. Can we have please the document at tab 205
of the tender bundle. Have you seen this document,
Brother Alexis? It is a police statement given in 2014 by
[CNM]. Have you seen this before?
A.
I may have. At this moment I'm not sure.
Q.
Could we get the hard copy, please. It is 205, it is
in the second volume. It might be easier, Brother, if you
want to familiarise yourself with it, to have a look at the
paper copy which I'm just having pulled out for you now.
A.
Thank you.
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Q.
Having looked at it, do you have any recollection of
seeing this before?
A.
I don't think so.
Q.
This is a statement that the person identified as
[CNM] gave to the police in 2014, and if you could just
turn over, please, to the second page, beginning in about
paragraph 10, you will see that [CNM] is actually
describing abuse that he was complaining of that
Brother Dominic had perpetrated on him?
A.
Yes, paragraph 10, was it?
Q.
A.
Yes. Would you read 10, 11 and 12?
All right. Okay.
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And, I am sorry, through to 13.
Yes.
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You will see, for instance, in 13, [CNM] is describing
Brother Dominic having made the comment, "Girls mature
quicker than boys"?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Then would you look over to the next page. At the
bottom of the next page, he describes going to see
Father Hackett in the presbytery at Casino. This is in
paragraph 22. He says:
I told him what happened with
[Brother Dominic], he said, "What do you
want me to do about it, do you want me to
call the Police?" I didn't want him to do
that, my father had said that if I couldn't
prove that it had happened to me then
I could be sued. Father Hackett said that
the Bishop in Lismore was Brother Dominic's
boss at the time and that he would ring
him.
And then he describes in the next paragraph:
I went
Father
him to
and to
Bishop
back about a week later to see
Hackett. He said the Bishop told
ring [Brother Dominic's] superior
tell him about the complaint, the
had said that he would be very sorry
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if it had happened.
What I wanted to suggest to you, Brother Alexis, was that
based on this police statement, it seems that it was
actually [CNM] himself, not another boy, who had made the
complaint to Father Hackett about being touched by
Brother Dominic?
A.
Yes, I see that.
Q.
You would agree that what he is describing, the
comments and the touching, are the same things that
Father Hackett had reported to you?
A.
Yes. Yes.
Q.
Thank you. Can I turn to a different complaint that
you received, Brother Alexis, in 1995. Can we have,
please, tab 64 of the tender bundle. Do you find it
easier, Brother, to work with the paper or from the screen?
A.
I'm not scrolling too easily here; maybe the paper is
easier.
Q.
Could we have tab 64, which is in the first volume.
Brother Alexis, this is a further file note that you
prepared; is that right?
A.
Yes.
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On 7 August 1995.
it, Brother.
A.
Yes.
I will give you a moment to read
Q.
Who was the discussion with that you were recording?
A.
I think it was from a teacher at the staff, but I'm a name I'm not sure. I don't think - I think it was a lay
teacher.
Q.
Thank you. The staff of which school?
A.
I think that was a school in Brisbane, a Catholic
Education Office school in Brisbane.
Q.
Thank you. So you were having a conversation with
this member of staff, principally in relation to a
different Marist Brother identified as "AB34"; is that
right?
A.
That's right, yes.
Q.
But in the context of that, a comment was made in
relation to Brother Dominic?
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Yes.
Q.
Where it says:
It was common knowledge that AB29 who is a
WEI ...
What does that mean?
A.
That's the name of the school, "Riverview".
Q.
I gather the code works by the lasts three letters,
backwards?
A.
Oh there was some - yes. I got used to it.
Q.
Thank you. Do you remember more detail about what is
described in this note being told to you by this staff
member regarding what Brother Dominic was said to have
done?
A.
There was nothing more than that that I recall. It
was sort of a hearsay comment, and when I saw that it had
been referred to that lady, Bev Patterson, who was the
child protection officer for the Brisbane CEO, I assumed
that it had passed into their full investigation, and if
there was anything to that, then they would follow it up as
the appropriate body.
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Why were they the appropriate body to investigate this
complaint?
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Because the Brother was in the employ of the Catholic
Education Office and it was a Catholic Education Office
school.
Q.
Is that a particular arrangement that applies in
Queensland or at particular schools?
A.
I think it applies everywhere, and if it's a matter
for a formal school organisation, then the school authority
has the responsibility of following it up, and if that's
substantiated, then it's passed on to the Order and so on.
Q.
Why didn't that apply, then, in Casino where
Father Hackett had passed on the earlier complaint?
A.
That I can't explain. It was a CEO school, so I don't
know, but he would have been aware of that.
Q.
And you would have been aware of that when he
contacted you?
A.
Yes. Yes.
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Is there a reason why, in that case, you didn't refer
that complaint to the CEO?
A.
I think in that case it was all hinging on that whole
question of the medical condition of the person and when
they were going to formally come forward and be in a
position to do that.
Q.
But if you treated it as a complaint that could be
acted upon, at least to this extent, you contacted
Father Lucas to ask him what to do and you, to the best of
your recollection, also confronted Brother Dominic about
it, you obviously saw it as a complaint that needed to be
dealt with in some way?
A.
And that's - in the sense that I followed the protocol
of the Church at that time in contacting Father Lucas and
taking his advice on the matter.
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Do you know how the protocol dealt with the role of
the CEO, the Catholic Education Office? I will take it
back a step. If the protocol as you described it to the
Royal Commission required Father Lucas to be contacted, did
the protocol say anything about how that should be done in
coordination, if at all, with the Catholic Education
Office?
A.
I would assume the same things applied to the Catholic
Education Office as to religious.
Q.
A.
That they might contact Father Lucas?
Yes.
Q.
You have said in your statement - and can you turn to
it if you wish, Brother Alexis - in paragraph 126 that
where this comment referred to inappropriate touching, as
you've put it, in the file note, you took that to mean
being too tactile and not maintaining professional
boundaries, but there was no suggestion or complaint made
that he had sexually assaulted any students. Are they
words you remember the staff member using to describe what
they meant by "inappropriate touching".
A.
Sorry, can you go back a step there?
Q.
Yes. The words you've included in paragraph 126 of
your statement about what is meant by "inappropriate
touching", are they words that the staff member used to
describe what he or she meant by "inappropriate touching"?
A.
I'm sorry, which words are you referring to, sorry,
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Mr Free?
Q.
In paragraph 126 of your statement you've picked up
the fact that the concern which you've recorded in the
file note was of inappropriate touching. "Inappropriate
touching" are the words we find in the file note. What
you've said in paragraph 126 is what that means - what
"inappropriate touching" means. Do you understand?
A.
Yes.
Q.
The question I'm asking you is are they words - the
explanation of what it means, are they words that the staff
member used to explain what he or she meant by
"inappropriate touching"?
A.
I can't remember, you know, exactly, but I did clarify
the point that it did not come into the sexual touching
assault area.
Q.
What might you have used to distinguish sexual assault
on the one hand from inappropriate touching on the other?
What kind of description or activity did you have in mind?
A.
Well, I don't know. It could be many reasons. I just
got that response from the staff member, that it wasn't
sexual assault.
THE CHAIR:
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Let's put it another way: what did you
understand to be inappropriate touching?
A.
Could be - I don't actually know. I didn't get the
detail of it. I got the assurance from them -Q.
No, it is not a question of detail. You wrote these
words down. What did you understand, when you wrote down
the words "inappropriate touching", you were talking about?
A.
It would have been touching the legs, which someone
was uncomfortable with; touching the bottom, it could have
been that.
Q.
The legs might be ambiguous, but touching the bottom
surely raised in your mind a sexual connotation, did it
not?
A.
It raises the question; I'm not sure it gives the
answer.
Q.
No, but it is a question that needed an answer, isn't
it. Once you've got an allegation of inappropriate
touching, didn't that need an answer?
A.
It was a possibility but at that stage, knowing that
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it was going to the investigation area of the CEO, I didn't
follow that any further at that stage.
Q.
So you left the responsibility in relation to the
behaviour of the Brother to the CEO; is that right?
A.
To the investigative authority of the appropriate
body, which was the CEO, and I note also that it was right
on the division point of my authority as Provincial, and so
that matter was - I was very clear at that stage that the
appropriate authority was the Catholic Education Office.
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You've written down that the allegations were of
inappropriate touching, "that is, being too tactile and not
maintaining professional boundaries". In this context,
what were the professional boundaries?
A.
Invading someone's personal space, such as the
inappropriate touching we've just - I've just mentioned.
Q.
And then you have written down, "No suggestion or
complaint made that he had sexually assaulted any
students." What did you understand to be a sexual assault?
A.
Oh, I think there are many. I didn't have a specific,
except that a denial was a clear indication to me.
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When you were accepting a denial, what was your
understanding as to what level of conduct was being denied?
A.
That there was no sexual genital touching and so on.
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No sexual genital touching?
Yes.
MR FREE:
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Brother Alexis, I take it from what you've
said in your statement that you didn't have any contact at
all with the Catholic Education Office about this
complaint?
A.
I didn't. From memory, that's August 1995. If they
had made contact with us, I retired in June 1995, so it
would have gone to the Provincial who followed me.
Q.
If you retired in June of 1995 - that's as Provincial,
is it?
A.
As Provincial.
Q.
In what capacity would you have been speaking to the
staff member about AB34 that led to this conversation in
the first place?
A.
As I recall, it was just a call from a staff member
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who I must have met there at some stage, and they were
simply concerned that there were some rumours going around
and they - I think, the phrase somewhere was that they were
just concerned that the good name of the Brothers was kept
intact. That's all it was.
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The effect of what they were saying to you was a
little more than that, wasn't it, Brother? They were
saying, "It is unfortunate that this other Brother, AB34,
is under investigation, because it's a matter of common
knowledge that AB29 engages in inappropriate touching with
students." So their concern seemed to reflect the fact
that it was at the level of common knowledge that AB29,
Brother Dominic, engaged in inappropriate touching?
A.
And that's what they said, yes.
Q.
I take it, then, you didn't contact the Catholic
Education Office and tell them that you'd received a
complaint from Father Hackett in 1994 also about
Brother Dominic?
A.
I don't recall. I don't think so, no.
Q.
As I showed you a few moments ago, the complainant who
had brought his complaint to Father Hackett which was
reported to you back in 1994, who seems to have been
[CNM] - one of the things [CNM] was specifically concerned
about was, "Have there been any other complaints since my
abuse?" You remember that was part of what was reported to
you?
A.
Yes.
Q.
I take it you didn't advise [CNM] that there had now
also been a complaint against Brother Dominic in Riverview?
A.
I had a different understanding of what Father Hackett
said. That note that you gave me clarified that. [CNM]
I thought, in my notes and the way I heard Father Hackett,
was a different person to the other person; secondly, I was
still waiting for a follow-up on the basis of the medical
clearance and the person approaching the Brothers, so
I didn't follow that up any further.
Q.
Put to one side whether it was [CNM] or another
person. You knew whoever had made that complaint to
Father Hackett wanted to know whether there had been
similar complaints against Brother Dominic by any other
student; do you agree?
A.
Yes, at that time, yes.
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You didn't communicate to that person that there had
now been another complaint in 1995 reported to you from
Riverview?
A.
I communicated to Father Hackett what the situation
was then, which there hadn't been, yes.
Q.
I'm sorry, are you talking about communicating to
Father Hackett in 1994?
A.
When he approached, yes.
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And you didn't get back in touch with Father Hackett
to say, in 1995, "Well, we've now got another complaint."
A.
No, I didn't, no.
Q.
Can we have, please, the document behind tab 67.
I think if you turn over a couple of tabs there,
Brother Alexis, in that volume you might find tab 67.
you recognise that note?
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I don't, no.
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Is it something you prepared?
Not that I'm aware of.
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Were you on the Provincial Council in 1996?
No.
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Sorry?
No.
Do
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No? Thank you. Thank you, Brother Alexis, you can
close that one up. Can we also please have the document
behind tab 181. It is in the other volume. I just want to
direct your attention, Brother Alexis, to the very bottom
of the first page there. You will see it is an email and
it is dated 23 April 2013, 1.44pm, the subject, "Re:
Royal Commission notice to produce", and it is addressed a
Diarmuid O'Riordan. If you turn over the page, you'll see
that it's an email from Brother Dominic. Would you read
that email at the top with the bullet points.
A.
Yes.
Q.
This is Brother Dominic describing that some time
during his time at St Peter Claver, a complaint was made by
a family of a year nine male student about inappropriate
behaviour by him. It seems from this email that he
contacted Brother Michael Hill as the Provincial. If it
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was Brother Michael Hill rather than you it would be some
time in the second half of 1995 or 1996?
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Yes.
Q.
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Is that right?
That's right.
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Do you have any recollection of that complaint being
brought to your attention?
A.
I don't, no.
Q.
A.
That includes discussing it with Brother Michael Hill?
No, I don't.
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Had you discussed with Brother Michael Hill the
complaints you had received in 1994 from Father Hackett or
in 1995 from Riverview?
A.
I don't have a specific recollection of that. It's
possible, but I don't have a recollection of it.
Brother Michael Hill is also a clinical psychologist and so
on. So I may have, but I don't recall that, and I know it
would be with the knowledge that the Catholic Education
Office was following it up.
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You're referring there to the Riverview complaint?
Yes, the Riverview, mmm.
Q.
Did Brother Michael Hill have a role when you were the
Provincial?
A.
He was Vice Provincial for the last three years that
I was Provincial.
Q.
Would you ordinarily discuss with your Vice Provincial
complaints which had been made in relation to inappropriate
behaviour by a Marist Brother in the Order?
A.
Often. Not always, depending on gravity, circumstance
and so on, but quite often, yes.
Q.
What about when he took over from you as Provincial did you have a handover, as it were?
A.
There was no formal handover ceremony or no formal
handover process, especially when someone has been on the
Provincial Council - in this case, Brother Michael was Vice
Provincial - and the files were all well known. So I'm
sure we would have had a number of discussions but
precisely I can't remember exactly how that took place.
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Do you remember having a discussion with him, in
relation to him taking over as Provincial, about
Brother Dominic?
A.
I don't have a recollection of it. I can't say it
didn't happen.
Q.
You must have had some concerns, by at least August of
1995, that there had been the complaint raised in Casino
and the suggestion that in Riverview it was a matter of
common knowledge that Brother Dominic engaged in
inappropriate touching?
A.
As I say, I don't have a detailed knowledge of that.
I would think that I did discuss that with him, but I can't
say. I just don't remember the detail and, likewise, the
records were there in the file.
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that
from
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My question was, rather, whether you had concerns at
time about Brother Dominic, given what you had heard
Casino and Riverview?
I had concerns, yes.
Q.
It would have been important for Michael Hill, in
taking over from you as Provincial, to know about
Marist Brothers who were of concern?
A.
Yes.
Q.
So you think it is likely that you did speak to him
about Brother Dominic?
A.
I think it's likely, yes.
Q.
In 1996, there was a complaint raised by a person
named as [CNO]. Do you remember that? You can have a look
at the pseudonym list if that helps. Have you got it
there?
A.
I don't recall that. Could you -Q.
[CNO] was a former student who in 1995 complained that
when he was in the sick bay, Brother Dominic had rubbed him
indecently, touched his buttocks and his back, and there
was another incident where he sat him on his knee and he
had his arm around his waist, and there was another
incident where he put the boy's hand on Brother Dominic's
thigh and rubbed it, and kissed the boy on the top of his
head. Do you remember this complaint being brought to your
attention?
A.
No, I don't remember that, no.
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Brother Alexis, what's Wellsprings?
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Wellsprings - I understand there are two of them in
different parts of the world, totally unrelated. The one
I'm familiar with is a personal renewal/sabbatical/change
of life program in the USA, is the one I'm familiar with.
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That was the Wellsprings that Brother Dominic
attended?
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Did he go there? He may have. I'm not - I'd have to
check that, yes.
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Do you have any recollection of arrangements being
made for Brother Dominic to attend Wellsprings?
A.
He may have. I'd have to look at his appointments
because people doing renewal - we have two or three
automatic periods of renewal as people go through their
career. That would have been organised by someone else,
but he possibly did Wellsprings, yes.
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Is it something that you remember discussing with him
while you were still Provincial?
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I don't remember it but I could well have.
I discussed with people going on their periodic renewal
what they wanted to do and where they might go, yes.
Q.
Did you have any involvement on the Provincial Council
after you stopped serving as Provincial?
A.
No.
Q.
I want to ask you some questions about
Brother Patrick, Brother Alexis. Brother Patrick's full
name was Patrick Butler; is that right?
A.
That's correct, yes.
Q.
You yourself were a student of Brother Patrick's in
Hamilton; is that right?
A.
Yes.
Q.
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Back in the '50s?
That's correct.
Q.
And then you were his headmaster in the late '70s,
also in Hamilton?
A.
1977-78, yes.
Q.
Did you receive any complaints about him when you were
his headmaster?
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No, I didn't.
Q.
You did receive a complaint about him in 1991 relating
to someone called [CQY]?
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Yes, I did.
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Could we have tab 42, please.
your handwriting, is it?
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Yes.
This is a file note in
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It is dated, I think, in the top right-hand corner,
18 September 1992; is that correct?
A.
That's correct, yes.
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Was the purpose of this note to collate a few
incidents that had been brought to your attention or a few
complaints that had been brought to your attention relating
to Brother Patrick?
A.
Yes.
Q.
The first one that is dealt with, on the top of the
page, is in relation to [CQY]. Can you just assist us,
please, by reading out your handwriting in that section
dealing with [CQY]?
A.
Yes.
Early 1991 - I was contacted by young man
about 35 years old. An assertion of sexual
abuse (non-specific) when he was 12 or 13
at Eastwood. Patrick Butler was almost
certainly the man. Couldn't remember his
surname. "Victim" was [something] in
appearance. Was going to therapy and had
difficulty with establishing and
maintaining relationships. Sometimes felt
"dirty".
Did not want to take legal or police
action. Wanted assurance the man not alone
with kids or unsupervised. Didn't want
others to suffer what he suffered.
I listened, emphasised, I offered support
and counselling. He said he was OK.
I promised to check details he requested.
I contacted headmaster & counsellor at
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[Patrick Butler's] present school ... They
said [they had] no problem. [He was] not
alone with kids. No complaints or negative
comments. They said they would be
vigilant.
I contacted [Father Usher] and [Father
Brian Lucas], should I confront [Patrick
Butler]? [Their] advice was no. "Victim"
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No cause for alarm at present school. Did
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Thank you. Can you make out that word on left of the
text there, just towards the bottom. There seems to be a
word in the margin there.
Is it "An old man"?
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Oh, you're better at reading my writing than I am.
"An old man".
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Thank you.
Yes.
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Is that a reference to Brother Patrick being an old
man?
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Yes. Yes.
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There is reference to "Headmaster & counsellor at PB
present school". You've got "TH & DC". Could you tell us
who they are, please?
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That was Brother Terry Heinrich; and Sister Dorothy
Costigan was the qualified counsellor at that school.
Q.
This was all a direct conversation between [CQY] and
you?
A.
I got [CQY]'s wishes. He came to see me and we had
quite a long conversation and I responded to whatever he
asked me to do. To my surprise, he didn't want further
help or counselling, but, yes, that's correct.
Q.
Do you know why he came to see you - why you in
particular?
A.
I was the Provincial and he just wanted to make sure
that other students weren't in danger.
Q.
Did anyone, that you're aware of, refer him to you?
A.
Not that I'm aware of. As far as I know, he knew it
was a Marist Brother, he knew I was the leader of the
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Marist Brothers at the time.
That's all I'm aware of.
Q.
Thank you. So the particular assurance which you, it
seems, promised to check, that [CQY] was after, was that
Brother Patrick was not alone with kids or unsupervised?
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Yes.
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That was the particular thing he wanted checked?
Yes.
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And that was because of a concern he specifically
requested that he didn't want others to suffer what had he
suffered?
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That's correct.
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Beyond what's written in this note, do you remember
either the headmaster or the counsellor giving you any
details about whether Brother Patrick was ever alone with
kids or unsupervised?
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I'm relying on my notes and my other notes regarding
this matter, which I'm sure you've seen.
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Yes.
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I don't remember any further detail other than I had a
strong sense that if he was in a tutoring position, it was
in association with other groups, with teachers with them.
So I got an assurance from those two people who were quite
highly regarded people, actually, both the principal and
the counsellor, that they were very comfortable with that
situation.
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Did you tell them why you were asking?
I did.
Q.
How much did you understand about what [CQY] was
complaining about in terms of the particular conduct?
A.
Well, he implied that it was - he felt it was abusive,
sexually abusive, and also he showed signs of, I thought,
some of the tragic consequences of abuse in terms of
self-confidence, counselling, those sorts of things; so
yes, I was quite moved by the man, yes.
Q.
So you believed him?
A.
I had no reason to disbelieve him, no; I accepted what
he said.
Q.
I understand you've said in your statement that you
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didn't push him for details about what precisely had
occurred?
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Mmm, and in the sense that he clearly didn't want to
go into the details, yes.
Q.
But your own conclusion was that the conduct had been
quite serious; would that be fair?
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I would say it could have been quite serious, not
knowing the details, but I was certainly open to that, yes.
Q.
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And you took it to involve sexual abuse?
It could easily have been that, yes.
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You say it could easily have been that -A.
He didn't specify, that's what I'm saying, but
I didn't rule that out.
Q.
All right. Were you uncertain about whether it might
have been, for instance, heavy physical abuse?
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Well, I didn't know the detail, so the possibilities
go in either direction, but I was concerned, yes,
definitely concerned. That's why I made the call straight
away and contacted - went through the protocol of the
Church at that time.
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You indicated I think in your answer a little while
ago that by this stage you had some capacity to recognise
the signs of someone who'd suffered abuse; is that right?
A.
Yes, I was aware of some of the - what can be
consequences of abuse, yes.
Q.
And you thought that [CQY] was exhibiting some of
those signs?
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He was exhibiting some of those, yes.
Q.
When you talk about abuse in that context, do you mean
sexual abuse?
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Yes.
Q.
Based on your impression of [CQY], you had concluded
that it was likely to have been sexual abuse that he was
complaining about?
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Yes.
Q.
Did you say a few moments ago that you were surprised
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Let me put it to you -A.
He basically wanted to ensure that no people were at
risk and actually in one of - in either this note or
another one, I'm pretty sure he said he didn't even want
him confronted if the situation was considered to be
properly supervised and so on.
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What did you understand Brother Patrick to be doing at
the time, as in at the time you called the school to ask
whether he was going to be alone with kids or unsupervised,
what did you understand his role to be?
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I knew that he was technically retired from full-time
teaching. I was surprised that he was doing some sort of
remedial, or tutoring, and that's why I asked the key
people concerned did they consider that there was no danger
and it was proper supervision and so on.
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Because of the fact that he did, in fact, have a role
still teaching, you had some concern that he would, in
fact, still have access to children?
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If he had access, yes, that he was well supervised.
Q.
Where you have said in the note that the headmaster
and the counsellor said that they would be vigilant, what
did you actually expect them to do?
A.
Oh, I think being aware - I informed them of the visit
of the man and being aware of that, being an experienced
headmaster, being an experienced counsellor, I think they
would work out the details of what that meant, but it was
mainly to see that he was always in situations with others
and that other teachers were there and the impression I was
given, it was either in an existing study situation with
other teachers and he took a small group, and so on.
I accepted their reassurance, you know, given that.
Q.
You had been a headmaster yourself for a very
considerable time before this; is that right?
A.
Some time, yes.
Q.
If you had been asked, as a headmaster, to exercise
vigilance over a part-time teacher in the school because
they were thought to pose a risk to children, is that a
responsibility you would have been happy to take on?
A.
Yes, I think I could look - I could look at
establishing that that was happening, yes.
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What was the counsellor's role expected to be?
A.
Generally, in schools, the counsellor's role is fairly
broad and it's to, as I understand it - and I think it
would differ from school to school - but basically to be
open to personal concerns or worries of students, and of
staff, anyone who considered that they were not succeeding
in the way they wanted to, but looking at their personal
concerns, and one of the reasons I was contacted, both of
them, was that, in a way, the counsellor is likely to hear
things that the leading power in the school might not hear,
so they covered different areas of concern.
Q.
They're likely to hear things after they've happened,
aren't they?
A.
Not necessarily after they've happened. Maybe fearing
that something might happen, what can you do about it
before it happens; it could be either.
Q.
Thank you. According to this note, on this occasion
you spoke to both Father Usher and Father Lucas; is that
right?
A.
I think so. That's why in my statement earlier I know I didn't speak to both of them each time, but I did
speak - certainly every time I spoke to Father Brian Lucas
and gave him the situation exactly as I understood it.
Q.
The effect of their advice was that you didn't need to
or you should not confront Brother Patrick?
A.
Their advice was to take the advice of the young man
who came to see me and not to confront him at that stage
but to contact the principal. I'd already contacted the
principal and counsellor, I feel.
Q.
Did they tell you the reasons why it was unnecessary
to, or the reasons why they were advising against
confronting Brother Patrick?
A.
I simply told them how I'd got the information, how
I'd responded to it, what the response of the people was
and in response to all of that, that was the advice.
Q.
It seems, Brother Alexis, the fact that the
complainant, [CQY], had said that he didn't want further
action to be taken, that was a significant factor to you in
deciding how to deal with the complaint?
A.
Provided I could satisfy myself and get reassurance
from people on the ground that there was care and vigilance
being exercised and there were no concerns, yes, and
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subject to following the protocol which I was committed to.
Q.
You mentioned a few moments ago the protocol in the
context of contacting the headmaster and the counsellor.
Is that something that the protocol specifically directed
you to do?
A.
No. Well, no, the protocol was specifically written
with regard to who to contact in terms of the responsible
Church authorities supervising this area.
Q.
A.
Who were they in this context?
That was Father Lucas, yes.
MR FREE:
Thank you.
Your Honour, I note the time.
THE CHAIR:
Mr Free, I would like arrangements to be made
to assist Brother Turton with the list of names from which
he can identify the brothers that admitted to him that
they'd offended. I will leave that in your hands, but that
should be done overnight.
MR FREE:
Yes, thank you, your Honour.
THE CHAIR:
Otherwise, we will adjourn until 10 o'clock in
the morning.
AT 4.05PM THE COMMISSION WAS ADJOURNED TO TUESDAY,
6 SEPTEMBER 2016 AT 10AM
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asleep [1] - 17919:31
assault [5] - 17935:14,
17956:17, 17956:19,
17956:24, 17957:21
assaulted [2] 17955:38, 17957:20
assaulting [1] 17930:39
assertion [1] 17963:28
assist [2] - 17963:22,
17969:17
assistance [1] 17876:26
assistant [4] 17874:46, 17875:6,
17875:13, 17882:23
Assisting [1] 17873:46
association [7] 17876:15, 17877:12,
17877:14, 17878:9,
17940:41, 17940:42,
17965:26
Association/Guild [1]
- 17913:41
assume [4] 17903:44, 17946:37,
17949:27, 17955:26
assumed [1] 17954:22
assurance [6] 17912:12, 17951:15,
17956:29, 17963:39,
17965:3, 17965:27
assured [1] 17893:46
AT [2] - 17969:27,
17969:28
ate [1] - 17918:31
atheist [1] - 17903:19
Atkinson [1] 17873:40
attached [1] - 17895:3
attend [5] - 17898:19,
17905:16, 17915:29,
17934:11, 17962:13
attended [24] 17882:43, 17887:38,
17890:22, 17890:23,
17890:25, 17890:27,
17890:30, 17898:12,
17898:13, 17898:14,
17898:22, 17901:34,
17905:12, 17907:11,
17907:12, 17907:16,
17915:14, 17915:18,
17927:43, 17928:5,
17928:17, 17928:22,
17933:30, 17962:8
attending [1] 17934:22
attends [1] - 17934:12
attention [7] 17905:2, 17944:9,
17959:34, 17960:9,
17961:45, 17963:16,
17963:17
Audrey [3] - 17874:7,
17882:44, 17926:42
August [9] - 17889:44,
17895:8, 17897:44,
17906:44, 17914:44,
17935:39, 17953:27,
17957:36, 17961:7
Australia [1] - 17876:1
Australian [1] 17933:33
authorities [1] 17969:9
authority [9] 17894:34, 17896:34,
17901:21, 17939:45,
17954:36, 17957:6,
17957:8, 17957:10
automatic [1] 17962:16
automatically [1] 17949:30
available [1] 17919:23
avenue [1] - 17905:43
avoid [4] - 17896:19,
17899:2, 17902:15,
17925:1
avoided [3] 17930:17, 17930:33,
17931:26
awaiting [1] 17951:23
aware [22] - 17878:5,
17878:41, 17880:33,
17886:1, 17908:35,
17909:38, 17911:18,
C3
Transcript produced by DTI
17929:15, 17936:7,
17937:22, 17949:37,
17951:32, 17951:34,
17954:43, 17954:45,
17959:23, 17964:45,
17964:46, 17965:1,
17966:29, 17967:27,
17967:28
awkward [2] 17892:19, 17893:4
B
background [1] 17936:27
backwards [1] 17954:12
bad [1] - 17894:9
badly [1] - 17903:25
Balk [5] - 17889:33,
17889:41, 17890:14,
17893:1, 17897:20
BALK [2] - 17889:36,
17890:11
bang [1] - 17900:38
Bangladesh [1] 17933:33
bangs [1] - 17932:8
Bar [1] - 17880:46
bar [1] - 17930:3
barely [1] - 17930:40
Base [1] - 17891:45
base [2] - 17891:45,
17950:37
based [5] - 17895:16,
17937:30, 17950:39,
17953:4, 17966:40
basis [6] - 17886:18,
17916:4, 17925:9,
17944:41, 17945:23,
17958:38
bastard [1] - 17904:13
bat [1] - 17908:24
baths [1] - 17909:7
bats [1] - 17916:2
bay [1] - 17961:38
Bay [2] - 17890:28,
17925:43
Beach [1] - 17880:46
beat [1] - 17928:14
beaten [5] - 17899:39,
17915:35, 17916:4,
17916:9, 17928:15
became [16] 17875:24, 17877:6,
17891:26, 17891:29,
17894:46, 17898:17,
17898:31, 17903:14,
17911:18, 17919:23,
17924:8, 17928:11,
17937:11, 17937:34,
17937:40, 17938:27
become [5] 17880:33, 17896:41,
17933:14, 17933:37,
17940:47
becoming [4] 17894:37, 17894:40,
17897:5, 17897:8
bed [1] - 17919:28
bedroom [1] - 17885:4
beg [1] - 17883:1
began [12] - 17893:10,
17902:14, 17909:41,
17916:38, 17916:40,
17916:46, 17917:2,
17918:7, 17918:18,
17923:2, 17929:41,
17933:28
begin [6] - 17890:4,
17898:6, 17907:5,
17915:10, 17927:33,
17936:32
beginning [2] 17877:10, 17952:8
begun [1] - 17945:42
behaviour [12] 17879:5, 17880:34,
17881:46, 17892:37,
17893:37, 17894:3,
17916:7, 17919:40,
17921:42, 17957:5,
17959:46, 17960:35
behind [9] - 17892:17,
17899:22, 17908:25,
17909:30, 17916:16,
17929:4, 17929:39,
17959:16, 17959:33
Belinda [3] - 17902:4,
17923:42, 17923:43
below [1] - 17920:27
belt [4] - 17899:28,
17900:9, 17900:13,
17905:44
belted [1] - 17922:26
benches [1] 17892:16
benediction [2] 17915:24, 17922:10
Bennett [1] - 17898:33
bent [3] - 17918:7,
17918:17, 17930:45
Berger [1] - 17898:35
beside [3] - 17892:43,
17900:4, 17916:31
best [12] - 17876:18,
17894:8, 17903:18,
17908:3, 17908:40,
17909:5, 17910:3,
17948:24, 17950:30,
17950:31, 17950:39,
17955:11
betrayed [1] 17903:25
better [3] - 17895:24,
17924:14, 17964:17
between [13] 17880:9, 17887:32,
17892:35, 17894:29,
17899:9, 17917:16,
17917:26, 17918:41,
17929:1, 17929:36,
17935:12, 17939:7,
17964:33
Bev [2] - 17934:13,
17954:21
beyond [1] - 17965:16
Bible [1] - 17914:28
Bickford [3] 17906:25, 17906:29,
17925:21
BICKFORD [5] 17906:28, 17925:17,
17925:19, 17925:21,
17926:25
big [9] - 17897:4,
17900:26, 17905:9,
17905:10, 17905:11,
17910:22, 17919:36,
17931:18, 17934:15
bike [1] - 17933:24
birthday [1] 17907:36
Bishop [11] 17910:39, 17910:41,
17910:45, 17910:47,
17911:4, 17911:8,
17911:12, 17915:44,
17952:37, 17952:44,
17952:47
bit [4] - 17878:35,
17893:23, 17894:29,
17918:23
bizarre [1] - 17932:42
black [1] - 17917:19
blamed [1] - 17924:29
blanket [1] - 17934:15
bleeding [1] 17934:23
blew [1] - 17913:16
blows [1] - 17902:36
Blue' [1] - 17928:39
Board [1] - 17940:27
boarding [1] 17898:24
Bob [1] - 17934:12
bodies [1] - 17934:23
body [5] - 17875:24,
17916:41, 17954:25,
17954:27, 17957:7
.05/09/2016 (C168)
bond [2] - 17880:9,
17887:9
book [3] - 17929:5,
17930:46, 17931:12
books [1] - 17916:2
boots [1] - 17892:6
born [4] - 17874:26,
17890:21, 17907:9,
17915:11
bosom [1] - 17876:17
boss [1] - 17952:38
bottom [17] 17892:17, 17918:9,
17918:12, 17918:18,
17919:27, 17929:45,
17930:1, 17930:3,
17930:17, 17931:5,
17940:23, 17943:38,
17952:26, 17956:35,
17956:38, 17959:34,
17964:15
boundaries [2] 17955:37, 17957:15
boundaries" [1] 17957:14
box [1] - 17920:40
boy [31] - 17880:44,
17881:6, 17884:47,
17885:26, 17893:35,
17898:17, 17899:14,
17899:36, 17899:38,
17905:13, 17913:16,
17915:23, 17917:45,
17917:46, 17917:47,
17918:3, 17919:1,
17922:9, 17922:10,
17925:27, 17926:11,
17928:14, 17928:23,
17928:25, 17928:27,
17930:7, 17930:10,
17931:9, 17953:5,
17961:43
boy's [3] - 17899:11,
17899:13, 17961:42
boys [47] - 17877:44,
17879:6, 17879:26,
17891:29, 17891:30,
17891:40, 17892:5,
17892:14, 17892:32,
17892:40, 17894:1,
17896:2, 17897:18,
17900:14, 17900:17,
17900:23, 17904:16,
17904:34, 17907:10,
17908:4, 17908:15,
17909:6, 17909:7,
17909:10, 17909:12,
17909:25, 17909:36,
17910:33, 17910:43,
17912:7, 17913:30,
17916:24, 17920:2,
17928:24, 17928:25,
17929:16, 17929:36,
17930:20, 17930:25,
17930:32, 17930:35,
17931:24, 17931:34,
17933:9, 17935:3,
17942:46, 17952:22
boys' [3] - 17890:33,
17892:7, 17899:6
BRADY [3] 17903:32, 17903:34,
17904:40
Brady [1] - 17903:34
bread [1] - 17918:31
break [3] - 17913:20,
17929:9, 17932:47
breaking [2] 17905:19, 17924:23
breathing [2] 17908:33, 17917:4
Brennan [6] 17883:46, 17922:22,
17922:27, 17922:29,
17922:35, 17923:22
Brian [4] - 17898:36,
17944:3, 17964:8,
17968:24
brick [1] - 17913:23
bright [1] - 17891:16
brightest [1] 17912:27
Brind [1] - 17898:36
bring [4] - 17876:28,
17876:31, 17949:46,
17951:28
bringing [3] - 17944:9,
17950:3, 17950:9
Brisbane [4] 17936:47, 17953:37,
17953:38, 17954:22
broad [1] - 17968:3
Brock [5] - 17907:32,
17910:38, 17911:19,
17911:20, 17911:23
broke [1] - 17924:29
broken [1] - 17934:32
Broken [5] - 17894:47,
17895:5, 17911:33,
17911:36, 17938:17
bronze [1] - 17909:9
brooded [1] 17923:31
Brother [383] 17880:46, 17881:7,
17881:10, 17882:5,
17882:8, 17883:31,
17883:34, 17888:2,
17891:7, 17891:10,
17891:14, 17891:18,
C4
Transcript produced by DTI
17891:20, 17891:25,
17891:28, 17891:32,
17892:1, 17892:5,
17892:8, 17892:10,
17892:16, 17892:25,
17892:29, 17892:34,
17892:42, 17892:45,
17892:47, 17893:7,
17893:9, 17893:14,
17893:15, 17893:17,
17893:21, 17893:26,
17893:27, 17893:30,
17893:34, 17893:35,
17893:36, 17893:37,
17893:38, 17893:39,
17893:42, 17893:45,
17893:46, 17894:2,
17894:5, 17894:11,
17894:18, 17894:20,
17895:1, 17895:3,
17895:9, 17895:13,
17895:22, 17895:30,
17895:40, 17895:45,
17895:46, 17895:47,
17896:1, 17898:28,
17898:30, 17898:32,
17898:33, 17898:34,
17899:2, 17899:5,
17899:11, 17899:12,
17899:16, 17899:18,
17899:19, 17899:22,
17899:27, 17899:35,
17899:36, 17899:37,
17899:39, 17899:41,
17899:45, 17900:1,
17900:3, 17900:8,
17900:16, 17900:18,
17900:22, 17900:39,
17900:42, 17900:44,
17900:47, 17901:1,
17901:8, 17901:9,
17901:14, 17901:17,
17901:24, 17901:28,
17901:29, 17901:30,
17901:31, 17901:39,
17901:40, 17901:42,
17902:7, 17902:10,
17902:13, 17902:19,
17902:23, 17903:35,
17903:43, 17903:46,
17904:2, 17904:9,
17904:12, 17904:36,
17907:40, 17907:43,
17907:44, 17907:45,
17908:8, 17908:14,
17908:24, 17908:32,
17908:45, 17908:47,
17909:14, 17909:23,
17909:29, 17910:3,
17910:7, 17910:16,
17910:27, 17910:30,
17910:31, 17910:33,
17910:41, 17911:6,
17911:7, 17911:26,
17911:27, 17911:34,
17911:37, 17911:39,
17911:42, 17911:43,
17911:44, 17912:44,
17913:33, 17916:11,
17916:13, 17916:15,
17916:18, 17916:25,
17916:28, 17916:34,
17916:38, 17916:45,
17917:5, 17917:8,
17917:15, 17917:20,
17917:26, 17917:36,
17917:39, 17917:45,
17917:47, 17918:1,
17918:6, 17918:9,
17918:14, 17918:16,
17918:19, 17918:26,
17918:30, 17918:34,
17918:39, 17918:42,
17918:45, 17919:11,
17919:19, 17919:30,
17919:36, 17919:39,
17919:46, 17919:47,
17920:1, 17920:5,
17920:11, 17920:12,
17920:21, 17920:30,
17921:3, 17921:7,
17921:15, 17921:16,
17921:18, 17921:21,
17921:23, 17921:25,
17921:26, 17921:28,
17921:31, 17921:33,
17921:38, 17921:40,
17921:43, 17921:45,
17922:9, 17922:17,
17922:24, 17922:25,
17922:30, 17922:33,
17923:44, 17926:16,
17926:46, 17928:42,
17928:43, 17929:17,
17929:19, 17929:24,
17929:32, 17929:39,
17930:9, 17930:12,
17930:21, 17930:23,
17930:30, 17930:32,
17930:37, 17930:39,
17930:41, 17930:45,
17931:1, 17931:7,
17931:9, 17931:23,
17931:26, 17931:31,
17932:9, 17932:11,
17932:13, 17932:17,
17932:21, 17932:24,
17932:25, 17932:28,
17932:29, 17932:34,
17932:41, 17932:42,
17935:1, 17935:13,
17935:15, 17935:28,
17935:36, 17935:45,
17936:2, 17936:26,
17937:37, 17938:24,
17939:29, 17940:7,
17940:11, 17940:17,
17940:28, 17940:38,
17941:12, 17941:19,
17941:38, 17942:2,
17942:18, 17944:15,
17944:19, 17944:43,
17944:45, 17945:9,
17945:28, 17945:32,
17946:25, 17947:19,
17947:24, 17948:1,
17948:6, 17949:11,
17949:14, 17949:46,
17950:20, 17950:21,
17950:26, 17950:35,
17951:4, 17951:39,
17951:44, 17952:11,
17952:21, 17952:31,
17952:37, 17952:45,
17953:3, 17953:7,
17953:16, 17953:18,
17953:23, 17953:28,
17953:42, 17953:47,
17954:17, 17954:29,
17955:12, 17955:33,
17957:5, 17957:32,
17958:8, 17958:9,
17958:14, 17958:20,
17958:33, 17958:45,
17959:18, 17959:31,
17959:34, 17959:39,
17959:43, 17959:47,
17960:1, 17960:12,
17960:15, 17960:20,
17960:28, 17960:35,
17960:43, 17961:3,
17961:10, 17961:18,
17961:28, 17961:38,
17961:42, 17962:1,
17962:7, 17962:13,
17962:31, 17962:35,
17963:18, 17964:23,
17964:30, 17964:47,
17965:5, 17965:18,
17967:9, 17968:28,
17968:36, 17968:41,
17969:17
brother [20] 17882:44, 17883:4,
17890:16, 17899:9,
17901:4, 17901:38,
17908:2, 17908:13,
17908:42, 17910:26,
17910:29, 17911:23,
17913:8, 17935:38,
17940:47, 17946:31,
17946:46, 17946:47,
17949:14
.05/09/2016 (C168)
Brother's [1] 17940:16
Brothers [92] 17880:33, 17880:35,
17890:47, 17896:6,
17898:27, 17898:32,
17898:38, 17900:21,
17900:25, 17900:34,
17900:36, 17901:7,
17901:46, 17902:3,
17902:6, 17902:41,
17903:1, 17903:7,
17903:20, 17903:21,
17904:6, 17905:5,
17905:12, 17905:13,
17905:15, 17905:17,
17907:18, 17907:25,
17907:38, 17908:11,
17908:13, 17908:18,
17908:43, 17909:6,
17909:44, 17910:19,
17910:21, 17910:30,
17910:46, 17911:8,
17913:6, 17913:14,
17915:41, 17915:43,
17915:46, 17916:23,
17919:4, 17919:45,
17921:34, 17921:39,
17922:6, 17924:4,
17927:45, 17928:36,
17928:38, 17928:45,
17929:31, 17931:35,
17932:12, 17932:32,
17932:37, 17932:39,
17934:33, 17934:37,
17934:41, 17936:29,
17936:39, 17937:12,
17937:19, 17937:25,
17937:30, 17938:1,
17938:16, 17938:31,
17938:39, 17940:29,
17941:6, 17941:22,
17941:31, 17944:4,
17946:14, 17946:20,
17947:24, 17947:25,
17947:30, 17948:13,
17951:28, 17958:4,
17958:39, 17961:24,
17965:1
brothers [24] 17884:22, 17898:8,
17898:18, 17898:39,
17901:30, 17902:47,
17903:43, 17904:29,
17904:37, 17905:14,
17905:16, 17907:16,
17907:17, 17907:24,
17908:5, 17910:19,
17910:22, 17911:36,
17916:17, 17917:19,
17919:13, 17919:18,
17919:23, 17969:18
brothers' [1] 17900:37
brought [9] - 17912:8,
17912:12, 17913:4,
17950:43, 17958:24,
17960:9, 17961:44,
17963:16, 17963:17
bruised [1] - 17902:26
brutal [3] - 17900:23,
17905:22, 17905:29
brutally [1] - 17929:3
building [1] - 17934:1
bullet [1] - 17959:40
bullshit' [1] 17921:47
bully [1] - 17891:14
bullying [2] 17893:10, 17893:11
bum [1] - 17930:24
bundle [5] - 17877:22,
17940:16, 17941:31,
17951:38, 17953:17
bungers [2] - 17932:2,
17932:8
bunk [1] - 17919:27
bunks [2] - 17919:15,
17919:35
Bureau [1] - 17875:21
buried [1] - 17913:43
Burraneer [1] 17890:28
Burston [9] - 17874:2,
17874:24, 17883:45,
17884:47, 17886:8,
17886:45, 17886:46,
17887:36, 17888:35
BURSTON [1] 17874:18
bus [1] - 17909:26
business [1] 17894:26
Butler [4] - 17962:32,
17963:30, 17964:9,
17964:12
Butler's [1] - 17964:1
buttocks [1] 17961:39
BY [13] - 17874:20,
17883:43, 17886:43,
17889:38, 17897:37,
17903:32, 17904:43,
17906:38, 17912:39,
17914:35, 17925:19,
17927:11, 17935:32
C
C168 [1] - 17873:21
C43 [1] - 17873:20
C5
Transcript produced by DTI
cadet [1] - 17891:21
Cadet [2] - 17891:44,
17892:4
cadets [1] - 17893:14
Cadets [1] - 17891:21
cadre [1] - 17929:11
Cahill [12] - 17875:13,
17882:39, 17883:25,
17884:38, 17884:42,
17885:11, 17885:29,
17887:46, 17888:18,
17888:24, 17888:27,
17888:32
calmer [1] - 17933:45
calmly [1] - 17893:8
camp [5] - 17881:7,
17891:44, 17892:4,
17919:4, 17919:10
CAN [1] - 17934:14
Canberra [2] 17923:18, 17938:10
candlelight [1] 17913:38
cane [13] - 17899:42,
17899:46, 17902:20,
17902:31, 17907:47,
17916:25, 17916:26,
17916:29, 17921:10,
17928:44, 17929:3,
17929:13, 17931:42
caned [6] - 17899:41,
17899:42, 17902:23,
17916:9, 17919:41,
17921:27
caner [1] - 17899:45
canes [1] - 17916:2
caning [2] - 17900:23,
17902:34
canings [1] 17905:35
cannot [1] - 17919:10
capacity [3] 17884:30, 17957:44,
17966:27
captain [5] 17891:20, 17904:5,
17904:8, 17904:10,
17904:11
car [3] - 17922:3,
17934:22, 17934:23
card [1] - 17909:42
Cardiff [4] - 17915:18,
17915:31, 17925:33,
17925:43
care [5] - 17901:6,
17933:47, 17934:4,
17937:26, 17968:46
cared [1] - 17933:25
career [7] - 17896:23,
17896:29, 17896:32,
17896:35, 17912:25,
17923:9, 17962:17
Caringbah [3] 17890:23, 17890:30,
17890:36
Carnation [1] 17894:18
Carroll [1] - 17898:35
carry [1] - 17905:17
carrying [1] - 17916:3
case [23] - 17880:27,
17883:33, 17923:36,
17929:12, 17942:18,
17943:9, 17944:2,
17944:5, 17944:33,
17946:42, 17947:3,
17949:18, 17949:19,
17949:28, 17949:29,
17950:5, 17950:35,
17950:36, 17950:38,
17950:40, 17955:2,
17955:4, 17960:43
Case [1] - 17873:20
cases [4] - 17946:6,
17946:7, 17946:36,
17946:40
Casino [6] - 17942:29,
17943:46, 17952:27,
17954:40, 17961:8,
17961:19
Cassian [2] 17898:32, 17907:43
catch [1] - 17946:27
categorised [1] 17895:16
Cathedral [2] 17920:47, 17925:28
Cathedral" [1] 17922:12
Catholic [51] 17875:21, 17890:21,
17890:24, 17890:25,
17890:27, 17890:29,
17890:32, 17890:35,
17894:27, 17894:38,
17894:41, 17894:42,
17898:13, 17898:15,
17898:19, 17898:21,
17901:11, 17903:15,
17903:18, 17903:24,
17907:12, 17907:16,
17907:18, 17907:29,
17912:3, 17912:10,
17912:17, 17913:34,
17913:39, 17913:40,
17915:18, 17915:29,
17923:40, 17925:4,
17927:40, 17927:47,
17928:27, 17928:31,
17929:10, 17934:31,
17949:36, 17953:37,
17954:29, 17954:30,
17955:20, 17955:24,
17955:26, 17957:10,
17957:34, 17958:17,
17960:22
Catholica.com.au [1]
- 17894:39
Catholics [3] 17898:11, 17907:11,
17915:14
caught [3] - 17902:18,
17931:3, 17932:10
caused [6] - 17878:27,
17879:37, 17879:44,
17896:12, 17897:17,
17903:13
causing [3] 17943:21, 17945:19,
17951:13
cease [1] - 17924:33
ceased [1] - 17918:2
Centacare [3] 17875:24, 17877:5,
17877:8
CEO [7] - 17954:22,
17954:42, 17955:3,
17955:20, 17957:1,
17957:5, 17957:7
ceremony [1] 17960:41
certain [5] - 17888:42,
17888:43, 17889:1,
17942:8, 17943:4
certainly [5] 17879:9, 17903:40,
17963:31, 17966:9,
17968:24
Cessnock [1] 17878:33
Chair [1] - 17873:39
chair [1] - 17921:9
CHAIR [38] 17874:12, 17874:16,
17883:41, 17889:17,
17889:23, 17890:9,
17897:23, 17897:28,
17903:30, 17906:3,
17906:7, 17906:19,
17906:32, 17912:35,
17914:5, 17914:9,
17914:19, 17914:23,
17914:27, 17925:15,
17926:27, 17926:32,
17926:37, 17927:2,
17935:20, 17935:44,
17936:4, 17945:36,
17948:1, 17948:6,
17948:39, 17948:44,
17949:7, 17949:14,
.05/09/2016 (C168)
17949:42, 17956:26,
17969:16, 17969:24
chalk [1] - 17917:26
chalk' [1] - 17918:46
challenge [1] 17950:26
challenged [3] 17944:1, 17950:4,
17950:21
challenging [1] 17901:21
change [16] 17881:22, 17892:33,
17892:39, 17892:41,
17893:5, 17896:43,
17900:27, 17900:30,
17909:9, 17909:33,
17909:45, 17912:11,
17912:17, 17913:10,
17919:40, 17922:6
changed [7] 17891:41, 17895:31,
17907:28, 17909:13,
17910:8, 17917:19,
17922:10
chapel [7] - 17920:21,
17920:25, 17920:27,
17920:30, 17920:37,
17920:41
character [2] 17935:5, 17941:9
charge [5] - 17919:11,
17944:1, 17950:4,
17950:22, 17950:37
charged [5] - 17895:9,
17911:38, 17923:22,
17935:2, 17935:14
charges [4] 17895:11, 17895:32,
17911:45, 17911:46
Charles [1] - 17898:35
Charlestown [1] 17898:14
chased [1] - 17932:9
chatting [1] 17878:32
check [12] - 17885:29,
17885:31, 17885:34,
17885:35, 17885:39,
17899:20, 17946:4,
17948:47, 17962:10,
17963:45, 17965:4,
17966:47
checked [1] - 17965:8
checking [3] 17911:6, 17919:33,
17944:5
cheek [1] - 17920:15
chest [1] - 17899:23
CHILD [1] - 17873:16
child [8] - 17894:43,
17896:41, 17898:8,
17910:38, 17913:39,
17923:22, 17923:23,
17954:22
children [13] 17886:2, 17890:15,
17903:14, 17903:15,
17903:24, 17903:44,
17911:9, 17911:14,
17913:36, 17924:32,
17928:13, 17967:21,
17967:43
CHIU [7] - 17874:4,
17883:43, 17883:45,
17912:37, 17912:39,
17912:41, 17914:3
Chiu [2] - 17874:5,
17912:41
choice [1] - 17902:33
choir [1] - 17916:6
choosing [1] 17946:46
chorus [1] - 17916:6
Christian [1] 17912:15
Christmas [4] 17900:32, 17922:20,
17928:31, 17932:4
Christopher [35] 17883:31, 17883:34,
17888:2, 17898:30,
17900:42, 17900:44,
17900:47, 17901:4,
17901:8, 17901:14,
17901:17, 17901:24,
17901:29, 17901:42,
17902:19, 17902:23,
17903:35, 17903:43,
17903:46, 17904:2,
17904:9, 17904:12,
17907:40, 17908:45,
17908:47, 17910:7,
17912:44, 17913:33,
17932:11, 17932:13,
17932:17, 17932:21,
17932:25, 17932:28,
17932:34
Christopher's [1] 17901:1
Church [36] 17882:28, 17890:24,
17890:25, 17890:27,
17894:38, 17894:41,
17894:44, 17896:39,
17896:45, 17898:13,
17898:15, 17898:17,
17898:22, 17907:11,
17907:12, 17907:29,
17912:3, 17912:5,
C6
Transcript produced by DTI
17912:10, 17912:17,
17915:18, 17923:40,
17925:5, 17926:12,
17927:43, 17927:47,
17928:22, 17931:38,
17932:43, 17934:21,
17934:31, 17945:41,
17949:36, 17955:16,
17966:24, 17969:9
church [1] - 17928:29
Church's [3] 17896:40, 17934:34,
17946:2
churches [2] 17907:29, 17929:11
circumcised [1] 17916:43
circumstance [1] 17960:36
circumstances [4] 17945:27, 17947:20,
17949:19, 17951:17
civil [3] - 17896:5,
17912:9, 17924:2
claim [2] - 17942:40,
17942:44
claims [1] - 17943:10
clarification [1] 17901:18
clarified [1] 17958:35
clarify [1] - 17956:15
Clarke [1] - 17915:44
class [31] - 17890:31,
17890:32, 17890:35,
17890:37, 17891:26,
17899:36, 17900:5,
17901:32, 17907:33,
17908:15, 17909:42,
17909:43, 17916:5,
17916:6, 17916:23,
17920:15, 17920:24,
17921:24, 17921:29,
17928:7, 17928:13,
17928:39, 17928:40,
17928:41, 17929:5,
17929:39, 17930:10,
17931:17, 17933:8
class-mate [1] 17907:33
classes [3] 17891:19, 17893:15,
17901:35
classmates [1] 17932:35
classroom [17] 17896:24, 17899:20,
17899:40, 17902:22,
17902:29, 17909:31,
17916:12, 17920:28,
17922:41, 17930:15,
17930:18, 17930:21,
17931:25, 17931:26,
17932:30, 17933:12
Claver [1] - 17959:44
cleaning [1] 17892:15
clear [8] - 17878:17,
17883:5, 17891:36,
17901:13, 17903:45,
17931:22, 17957:9,
17957:23
clearance [1] 17958:39
clearly [1] - 17966:3
clergy [3] - 17928:33,
17934:11, 17934:45
Clergy [1] - 17934:13
clinical [1] - 17960:20
cloistered [1] 17913:42
close [11] - 17879:33,
17887:20, 17887:32,
17892:25, 17892:43,
17896:19, 17896:21,
17922:43, 17927:37,
17951:33, 17959:32
closer [1] - 17919:21
clothes [5] 17916:38, 17917:37,
17918:17, 17918:20,
17920:32
clothing [1] 17899:24
club [3] - 17891:29,
17891:30, 17891:32
Club [1] - 17880:47
CNF [4] - 17878:34,
17879:39, 17887:1,
17887:17
CNF] [1] - 17878:29
CNJ]'s [1] - 17936:17
CNM [12] - 17943:3,
17943:9, 17943:27,
17952:7, 17952:9,
17952:20, 17953:5,
17958:26, 17958:32,
17958:35, 17958:42
CNM] [1] - 17951:40
CNO [1] - 17961:37
CNO] [1] - 17961:32
CNQ [6] - 17874:6,
17914:14, 17914:19,
17914:33, 17914:41,
17915:3
CNQ] [1] - 17926:32
CNR [8] - 17874:6,
17900:44, 17900:47,
17926:45, 17927:7,
17927:9, 17927:13,
17927:23
CNR] [1] - 17935:21
CNR]'s [1] - 17900:43
CNS [16] - 17897:32,
17897:35, 17897:40,
17898:2, 17908:42,
17908:44, 17909:2,
17932:1, 17932:3,
17932:10, 17932:12,
17932:19, 17932:22,
17932:25, 17932:27,
17932:32
CNS] [4] - 17906:1,
17906:7, 17909:46,
17931:46
CNS]'s [1] - 17932:16
CNV [11] - 17874:6,
17901:38, 17901:43,
17901:45, 17906:15,
17906:34, 17906:36,
17906:41, 17907:7,
17912:41, 17914:9
CNV] [1] - 17912:32
CNY [2] - 17874:6,
17874:9
CNY] [1] - 17889:31
co [1] - 17901:36
co-ed [1] - 17901:36
coaching [1] 17891:22
coal [2] - 17927:38,
17933:34
coats [1] - 17892:6
code [1] - 17954:11
collate [1] - 17963:15
College [5] 17874:34, 17890:35,
17890:37, 17890:40,
17937:3
college [1] - 17875:47
Columban's [5] 17898:13, 17898:20,
17898:21, 17898:22,
17907:12
combined [1] 17924:21
comfort [2] 17884:35, 17885:45
comfortable [1] 17965:29
coming [12] 17878:13, 17878:26,
17879:36, 17906:7,
17912:4, 17913:21,
17914:9, 17921:43,
17926:32, 17930:24,
17932:21, 17935:21
commenced [4] 17890:40, 17896:5,
17898:20, 17912:9
.05/09/2016 (C168)
comment [7] 17887:8, 17929:39,
17942:45, 17952:21,
17953:46, 17954:20,
17955:34
commenting [1] 17929:44
comments [3] 17943:6, 17953:11,
17964:4
Commission [9] 17878:12, 17889:43,
17890:1, 17897:43,
17905:30, 17927:17,
17927:30, 17955:22,
17959:37
COMMISSION [2] 17873:15, 17969:27
COMMISSIONER [2] 17941:18, 17941:28
Commissioner [2] 17873:40, 17873:41
Commissioners [2] 17874:4, 17906:28
Commissioners' [1] 17914:15
commit [2] 17933:46, 17934:1
committal [1] 17935:4
committed [8] 17910:25, 17948:9,
17948:14, 17948:16,
17949:15, 17949:17,
17949:23, 17969:1
committing [1] 17935:2
common [6] 17898:41, 17916:17,
17954:5, 17958:10,
17958:13, 17961:10
communicate [1] 17959:2
communicated [1] 17959:5
communicating [1] 17959:8
communication [2] 17947:7, 17947:9
community [9] 17913:35, 17927:47,
17937:19, 17937:25,
17937:28, 17937:31,
17938:31, 17941:23,
17941:25
companies [1] 17894:28
companions [1] 17876:17
company [3] -
17904:5, 17904:10,
17942:8
compensation [4] 17911:13, 17912:3,
17924:4, 17942:9
competent [1] 17901:22
complain [2] 17931:33
complainant [6] 17946:34, 17947:4,
17950:8, 17951:27,
17958:23, 17968:42
complainants [7] 17895:14, 17895:16,
17895:18, 17895:22,
17895:23, 17939:3,
17950:7
complained [3] 17893:36, 17931:34,
17961:37
complaining [4] 17932:37, 17952:10,
17965:36, 17966:42
complaint [40] 17879:5, 17880:44,
17901:43, 17901:45,
17936:18, 17944:9,
17944:14, 17944:29,
17945:31, 17949:47,
17950:3, 17950:12,
17950:13, 17951:8,
17951:28, 17952:46,
17953:6, 17953:15,
17954:28, 17954:41,
17955:3, 17955:9,
17955:13, 17955:37,
17957:20, 17957:35,
17958:19, 17958:24,
17958:33, 17958:43,
17959:3, 17959:13,
17959:44, 17960:8,
17960:25, 17961:8,
17961:31, 17961:44,
17963:3, 17968:44
complaints [16] 17902:47, 17903:3,
17910:39, 17930:34,
17939:1, 17940:11,
17944:19, 17950:9,
17951:5, 17958:27,
17958:45, 17960:16,
17960:34, 17962:46,
17963:17, 17964:3
complete [1] 17945:43
completed [7] 17890:37, 17890:41,
17898:23, 17901:37,
17915:36, 17930:43,
C7
Transcript produced by DTI
17933:17
completely [1] 17924:15
completing [1] 17930:41
concealing [1] 17923:22
concentrating [1] 17917:3
concern [7] 17945:22, 17956:4,
17958:12, 17961:24,
17965:11, 17967:20,
17968:11
concerned [12] 17881:37, 17882:30,
17894:16, 17918:3,
17944:3, 17946:22,
17958:2, 17958:4,
17958:26, 17966:21,
17966:22, 17967:16
concerning [1] 17949:32
concerns [9] 17880:4, 17880:7,
17880:34, 17961:7,
17961:17, 17961:20,
17968:5, 17968:8,
17968:47
concluded [1] 17966:40
concludes [1] 17889:23
conclusion [4] 17886:18, 17892:31,
17905:34, 17966:6
concrete [1] 17891:46
condition [3] 17944:6, 17944:12,
17955:5
conditions [1] 17942:9
conduct [4] 17879:26, 17957:26,
17965:36, 17966:6
conducted [4] 17876:35, 17876:37,
17892:9, 17895:1
conducting [1] 17877:17
confessed [1] 17921:4
confession [2] 17920:24, 17920:46
confession' [1] 17920:22
confessional [1] 17920:40
confidence [1] -
17965:40
confirm [1] - 17911:6
confirmed [1] 17895:3
confirming [1] 17893:43
confrere [3] 17941:20, 17941:21,
17941:22
confront [3] 17964:8, 17968:28,
17968:30
confronted [2] 17955:12, 17967:6
confronting [2] 17935:5, 17968:36
confused [2] 17924:8, 17930:8
congregated [1] 17891:31
connecting [1] 17909:31
connection [1] 17877:4
connotation [1] 17956:39
consequences [2] 17965:39, 17966:30
consider [3] 17886:33, 17942:9,
17967:16
considerable [1] 17967:38
considered [4] 17887:13, 17912:27,
17967:6, 17968:6
considering [1] 17885:25
considers [1] 17877:42
consisted [2] 17891:45, 17892:11
consistency [2] 17947:35, 17947:38
consistent [3] 17944:18, 17946:17
conspiracy [1] 17934:44
Constable [1] 17902:4
constant [1] 17929:12
constantly [2] 17905:37, 17916:9
consultation [1] 17949:34
contact [10] 17876:20, 17895:5,
17911:4, 17911:36,
17955:29, 17957:33,
17957:37, 17958:17,
17968:31, 17969:8
contacted [17] 17888:42, 17895:21,
17897:2, 17911:21,
17911:33, 17911:38,
17943:22, 17954:46,
17955:10, 17955:22,
17959:47, 17963:27,
17963:47, 17964:7,
17966:23, 17968:8,
17968:31
contacting [2] 17955:16, 17969:4
contained [2] 17894:41, 17917:24
content [1] - 17896:25
context [11] 17877:41, 17879:8,
17879:9, 17879:11,
17882:27, 17905:3,
17953:46, 17957:14,
17966:36, 17969:4,
17969:11
continually [2] 17896:25, 17912:4
continue [4] 17912:16, 17924:41,
17925:9, 17933:6
continued [13] 17878:9, 17893:14,
17896:1, 17896:38,
17908:32, 17917:15,
17918:35, 17920:14,
17923:8, 17924:36,
17928:29, 17928:45,
17929:44
contraception [1] 17913:39
contrary [1] 17941:13
convenient [2] 17906:16, 17940:17
conversation [19] 17880:27, 17892:20,
17901:28, 17901:44,
17903:46, 17904:1,
17905:4, 17930:22,
17943:25, 17943:30,
17943:45, 17945:8,
17946:32, 17947:12,
17949:22, 17953:40,
17957:45, 17964:33,
17964:36
convey [1] - 17947:16
conveyed [4] 17943:47, 17947:13,
17949:47, 17951:26
conveying [1] 17878:19
.05/09/2016 (C168)
convicted [1] 17911:45
cooked [1] - 17928:32
coordination [1] 17955:24
cope [3] - 17896:24,
17934:5, 17934:7
copied [1] - 17923:27
copy [8] - 17877:24,
17877:29, 17907:1,
17915:5, 17927:25,
17940:18, 17951:43,
17951:46
corner [3] - 17919:42,
17932:30, 17963:11
correct [16] 17897:45, 17925:29,
17935:45, 17936:30,
17936:41, 17937:35,
17938:2, 17938:21,
17938:28, 17951:29,
17962:33, 17962:40,
17963:12, 17963:13,
17964:38, 17965:14
correction [4] 17925:26, 17936:2,
17936:4, 17936:11
corrections [1] 17936:22
Costigan [1] 17964:31
costume [1] 17892:41
Cotter [7] - 17878:47,
17879:3, 17879:6,
17879:13, 17879:25,
17879:27, 17920:46
Council [3] 17959:25, 17960:43,
17962:26
counsel [1] 17949:11
Counsel [1] 17873:46
counselling [6] 17897:6, 17923:39,
17934:9, 17963:44,
17964:38, 17965:40
counsellor [10] 17963:47, 17964:27,
17964:31, 17965:17,
17965:29, 17967:25,
17967:29, 17968:9,
17968:32, 17969:4
counsellor's [2] 17968:1, 17968:2
counsellors [2] 17897:7, 17925:9
couple [5] - 17874:44,
17909:29, 17928:6,
17930:6, 17959:17
course [3] - 17896:25,
17904:19, 17933:17
Court [1] - 17873:27
court [5] - 17873:29,
17895:10, 17935:4,
17935:6, 17935:8
courting [1] 17933:28
courtroom [1] 17897:33
covered [2] - 17912:5,
17968:11
CQT [6] - 17874:7,
17902:1, 17902:3,
17926:41, 17928:11,
17928:23
CQT] [1] - 17934:19
CQY [8] - 17963:4,
17963:24, 17964:33,
17965:4, 17965:35,
17966:32, 17966:40,
17968:42
CQY] [1] - 17963:22
CQY]'s [1] - 17964:35
crackers [1] - 17932:2
crash [1] - 17934:23
create [1] - 17939:14
cricket [4] - 17908:1,
17908:23, 17916:2,
17920:26
criminal [1] - 17934:2
criticising [1] 17897:8
cross [2] - 17887:28,
17930:3
cross-bar [1] 17930:3
cross-purposes [1] 17887:28
crotch [4] - 17878:34,
17920:8, 17920:18,
17921:44
crouched [1] 17909:14
crouching [1] 17909:15
crowds [1] - 17925:1
cruel [1] - 17915:46
crying [1] - 17922:2
cubicles [1] 17891:47
cuddle [4] - 17916:16,
17916:17, 17916:35,
17924:30
cup [1] - 17894:5
curious [1] - 17879:31
C8
Transcript produced by DTI
D
dad [6] - 17894:6,
17910:6, 17910:9,
17910:12, 17910:14,
17913:29
damaged [1] 17902:35
danger [2] - 17964:43,
17967:16
Darcy [1] - 17939:30
dare [1] - 17932:26
dark [2] - 17884:15,
17920:38
Darlinghurst [1] 17891:21
DarlinghurstPagewood [1] 17891:21
date [4] - 17938:41,
17940:24, 17940:25,
17941:32
dated [10] - 17889:44,
17895:23, 17897:43,
17906:44, 17914:44,
17927:18, 17935:39,
17941:33, 17959:36,
17963:11
DATED [6] - 17890:12,
17898:2, 17907:7,
17915:3, 17927:23,
17936:9
dates [1] - 17940:44
daughter [2] 17924:25, 17924:27
David [1] - 17928:42
days [2] - 17909:29,
17932:13
dazed [1] - 17918:23
DC" [1] - 17964:28
De [4] - 17890:32,
17890:35, 17890:37,
17890:40
de [1] - 17925:7
de-stress [1] 17925:7
deacon [2] 17894:38, 17894:40
deal [9] - 17894:11,
17900:26, 17905:9,
17905:10, 17905:11,
17910:22, 17933:43,
17944:34, 17968:44
dealing [3] - 17886:5,
17949:31, 17963:24
dealt [3] - 17955:14,
17955:19, 17963:21
death [10] - 17882:11,
17883:24, 17883:46,
17884:3, 17884:42,
17886:9, 17910:28,
17913:43, 17913:47,
17934:26
deceived [1] 17897:16
December [4] 17877:43, 17878:42,
17932:4, 17933:31
decided [8] 17900:20, 17900:34,
17902:20, 17909:43,
17910:40, 17923:23,
17923:45, 17932:1
deciding [1] 17968:44
decisions [1] 17934:6
deep [1] - 17903:25
defensive [2] 17921:46, 17922:30
definite [1] - 17902:40
definitely [3] 17902:13, 17903:47,
17966:22
degree [1] - 17874:33
degrees [1] - 17878:6
demeanour [1] 17893:29
Denham [1] - 17903:2
denial [2] - 17957:23,
17957:25
denied [3] - 17895:30,
17947:22, 17957:26
denying [1] 17950:31
depression [3] 17897:5, 17923:5,
17924:40
describe [7] 17876:18, 17887:23,
17905:22, 17929:2,
17931:1, 17955:39,
17955:46
described [3] 17879:38, 17954:16,
17955:21
describes [2] 17952:26, 17952:41
describing [4] 17952:10, 17952:20,
17953:10, 17959:43
description [2] 17880:13, 17956:21
desire [1] - 17905:4
desk [14] - 17899:21,
17916:29, 17916:33,
17918:7, 17918:17,
17920:4, 17921:7,
17921:10, 17929:6,
17930:26, 17930:42,
17931:8, 17932:46
desks [2] - 17900:3,
17933:15
detail [7] - 17901:11,
17954:15, 17956:29,
17956:31, 17961:14,
17965:24, 17966:20
detailed [1] 17961:12
details [11] 17879:28, 17922:27,
17923:28, 17923:41,
17931:36, 17963:45,
17965:18, 17966:1,
17966:4, 17966:9,
17967:30
detained [1] 17933:46
Detective [2] 17902:4, 17902:5
detention [1] 17918:27
determined [1] 17902:10
detriment [1] 17903:10
detrimentally [1] 17912:21
devastated [1] 17895:37
devastating [1] 17910:32
developed [2] 17924:13, 17945:42
development [1] 17896:12
developments [1] 17904:7
devoted [1] 17931:38
devout [4] - 17898:11,
17907:11, 17915:14,
17934:31
diagnosed [2] 17924:37, 17933:44
diameter [1] 17902:25
Diarmuid [1] 17959:38
died [11] - 17882:19,
17882:28, 17883:28,
17885:2, 17886:31,
17902:11, 17903:26,
17910:11, 17912:45,
17934:39, 17934:42
differ [1] - 17968:4
different [10] 17899:46, 17926:4,
17938:30, 17939:33,
17953:15, 17953:42,
.05/09/2016 (C168)
17958:34, 17958:37,
17962:3, 17968:11
difficulty [3] 17922:39, 17924:18,
17963:34
dined [1] - 17887:24
Diocese [6] 17874:30, 17874:38,
17875:33, 17876:11,
17876:37, 17877:32
direct [7] - 17939:6,
17939:8, 17944:4,
17947:4, 17951:28,
17959:34, 17964:33
directed [1] - 17969:5
direction [1] 17966:21
directly [6] - 17890:6,
17893:15, 17938:11,
17945:25, 17945:31,
17951:23
director [4] 17875:20, 17875:28,
17877:6, 17877:8
Director [1] 17938:38
dirty" [1] - 17963:36
disagree [2] 17903:44, 17903:45
disappointment [1] 17903:26
disbelief [1] 17899:30
disbelieve [1] 17965:44
discipline [6] 17891:13, 17900:23,
17905:23, 17905:29,
17908:4, 17919:41
disclosures [2] 17878:6, 17931:28
discontinued [1] 17934:42
discuss [4] 17880:39, 17910:7,
17960:33, 17961:13
discussed [6] 17898:46, 17930:23,
17931:36, 17936:17,
17960:15, 17962:23
discussing [2] 17960:12, 17962:20
discussion [4] 17885:15, 17885:18,
17953:31, 17961:1
discussions [7] 17885:21, 17885:25,
17946:24, 17946:29,
17946:37, 17946:38,
17960:45
disgusted [1] 17910:28
disillusioned [1] 17896:42
dismissed [2] 17901:26, 17943:4
disorder [2] 17924:38, 17924:43
distinct [1] - 17937:26
distinctly [1] 17908:33
distinguish [1] 17956:19
distributed [2] 17877:32, 17926:40
distrustful [1] 17897:8
division [1] - 17957:8
do' [1] - 17920:43
document [10] 17940:15, 17940:22,
17940:24, 17941:30,
17941:33, 17941:37,
17951:37, 17951:38,
17959:16, 17959:32
documents [1] 17942:1
Dominic [86] 17881:10, 17882:5,
17882:8, 17898:34,
17898:40, 17899:5,
17899:9, 17899:11,
17899:12, 17899:16,
17901:9, 17916:11,
17916:15, 17916:18,
17916:34, 17916:38,
17916:45, 17917:5,
17917:8, 17917:15,
17917:20, 17917:36,
17917:45, 17917:47,
17918:1, 17918:6,
17918:9, 17918:14,
17918:16, 17918:19,
17918:26, 17918:30,
17918:34, 17918:45,
17920:11, 17923:44,
17929:32, 17929:39,
17930:9, 17930:12,
17930:23, 17930:39,
17931:31, 17932:24,
17932:41, 17934:38,
17935:13, 17935:15,
17939:29, 17940:7,
17940:11, 17940:28,
17940:38, 17941:12,
17942:2, 17942:18,
17944:43, 17944:45,
17945:9, 17945:28,
17945:32, 17947:24,
17950:20, 17950:21,
C9
Transcript produced by DTI
17950:26, 17951:4,
17952:11, 17952:21,
17952:31, 17953:7,
17953:47, 17954:17,
17955:12, 17958:14,
17958:20, 17958:33,
17958:45, 17959:39,
17959:43, 17961:3,
17961:10, 17961:18,
17961:28, 17961:38,
17962:7, 17962:13
Dominic's [11] 17916:25, 17916:28,
17917:26, 17917:39,
17918:39, 17918:42,
17930:21, 17931:1,
17952:37, 17952:45,
17961:42
done [13] - 17876:42,
17893:24, 17899:28,
17900:43, 17911:5,
17917:11, 17921:31,
17922:38, 17950:11,
17951:19, 17954:18,
17955:23, 17969:20
door [6] - 17892:1,
17893:22, 17893:30,
17899:40, 17917:26,
17920:25
dormitories [1] 17919:6
Dorothy [1] 17964:30
double [3] - 17919:15,
17930:45, 17931:8
down [44] - 17876:24,
17876:28, 17876:31,
17894:6, 17896:47,
17899:1, 17899:7,
17899:12, 17899:16,
17899:24, 17900:10,
17900:11, 17905:8,
17905:41, 17908:15,
17908:26, 17909:14,
17909:15, 17917:2,
17919:20, 17919:24,
17920:8, 17920:30,
17921:41, 17924:29,
17929:26, 17929:28,
17929:44, 17930:40,
17931:20, 17938:15,
17940:22, 17940:24,
17940:46, 17941:31,
17943:37, 17948:2,
17948:8, 17948:15,
17948:25, 17956:32,
17957:12, 17957:19
DPP [1] - 17895:13
DR [3] - 17904:43,
17904:45, 17906:1
dressed [4] - 17893:4,
17909:26, 17917:5,
17918:21
drinking [2] 17923:12, 17924:29
driven [1] - 17885:26
driving [1] - 17900:39
drop [1] - 17913:13
dropped [2] 17909:19, 17909:43
drove [1] - 17922:3
drugs [2] - 17923:3,
17923:8
drying [1] - 17892:40
Dublin [1] - 17874:34
during [17] 17883:14, 17900:9,
17900:32, 17907:32,
17909:41, 17915:15,
17915:24, 17920:23,
17921:35, 17921:37,
17922:20, 17929:5,
17929:15, 17930:13,
17930:22, 17940:12,
17959:44
duties [2] - 17915:25,
17926:11
Dwyer [1] - 17937:37
dying [1] - 17882:29
E
ear [1] - 17908:34
early [9] - 17892:14,
17892:28, 17900:5,
17906:17, 17907:36,
17908:22, 17913:46,
17929:38, 17963:27
easier [5] - 17877:23,
17940:19, 17951:44,
17953:18, 17953:20
easily [5] - 17896:18,
17931:39, 17953:19,
17966:12, 17966:14
Eastwood [1] 17963:30
easy [1] - 17934:10
ed [1] - 17901:36
Education [10] 17953:38, 17954:30,
17955:20, 17955:24,
17955:27, 17957:10,
17957:34, 17958:18,
17960:22
education [4] 17909:36, 17928:40,
17929:8, 17936:32
educator [1] 17941:11
effect [5] - 17897:3,
17901:22, 17932:18,
17958:7, 17968:27
effectively [3] 17881:16, 17881:32,
17938:23
effects [1] - 17897:12
eight [2] - 17891:1,
17898:8
either [17] - 17878:19,
17880:21, 17896:31,
17900:41, 17901:28,
17907:31, 17909:4,
17911:35, 17931:31,
17940:12, 17940:17,
17943:29, 17965:17,
17966:21, 17967:4,
17967:33, 17968:17
ejaculate [1] 17917:37
ejaculated [1] 17920:34
eldest [1] - 17890:15
elected [2] - 17902:20,
17909:7
elective [1] - 17929:33
elements [1] 17936:28
Elizabeth [1] 17876:38
elsewhere [1] 17921:3
email [7] - 17911:37,
17923:27, 17923:43,
17959:35, 17959:39,
17959:40, 17959:46
emailed [1] - 17923:25
embarrassed [4] 17893:4, 17894:17,
17904:12, 17919:25
emotional [1] 17934:4
emotions [1] 17934:6
emphasised [1] 17963:43
employ [1] - 17954:29
enabled [1] 17905:38
encompass [1] 17938:13
encounter [1] 17941:11
encountered [1] 17950:6
encouraged [2] 17902:1, 17924:2
end [17] - 17875:30,
17890:31, 17890:42,
17894:21, 17894:22,
17895:31, 17898:22,
.05/09/2016 (C168)
17898:29, 17900:20,
17900:32, 17901:41,
17908:43, 17910:47,
17921:6, 17921:37,
17932:1, 17951:33
ended [5] - 17901:25,
17903:19, 17923:33,
17932:32, 17935:6
engage [1] - 17892:19
engaged [2] 17958:14, 17961:10
engages [1] 17958:11
engaging [1] 17891:10
engineer [2] 17894:25, 17927:38
engineering [1] 17897:15
enjoy [1] - 17928:26
enjoyable [1] 17896:29
enjoyed [3] 17891:15, 17924:10,
17929:29
enormously [1] 17929:47
enrolment [1] 17922:35
ensure [2] - 17903:19,
17967:3
ensured [1] 17905:37
entailed [1] 17938:46
entered [2] - 17891:4,
17916:28
entering [1] 17936:40
enthusiasm [2] 17891:9, 17896:40
enthusiastic [1] 17905:13
equal [1] - 17899:32
erection [2] 17892:45, 17909:20
escape [2] - 17908:26,
17923:4
Esmay [1] - 17898:36
especially [3] 17929:17, 17939:1,
17960:42
essentially [2] 17901:26, 17937:24
establishing [2] 17963:34, 17967:46
evening [9] 17882:25, 17882:41,
17884:12, 17884:13,
17884:25, 17887:37,
17888:8, 17919:16,
17921:31
event [1] - 17893:9
events [3] - 17877:46,
17878:4, 17943:18
eventually [4] 17900:29, 17915:44,
17923:42, 17930:6
everywhere [1] 17954:35
evidence [24] 17878:17, 17878:39,
17885:22, 17887:42,
17889:24, 17895:25,
17895:27, 17897:28,
17897:33, 17905:24,
17911:42, 17911:44,
17911:47, 17912:42,
17912:45, 17914:16,
17914:28, 17925:28,
17926:45, 17935:7,
17935:16, 17944:1,
17950:22, 17950:36
evil [1] - 17935:4
exact [2] - 17932:16,
17939:35
exactly [15] 17883:21, 17893:21,
17901:25, 17909:32,
17910:1, 17919:10,
17932:27, 17940:31,
17944:44, 17945:10,
17947:11, 17956:15,
17960:46, 17966:47,
17968:25
examination [1] 17888:17
example [2] 17878:36, 17938:15
exams [1] - 17932:4
excellent [3] 17929:34, 17932:26,
17941:10
excelling [1] 17933:16
except [4] - 17925:31,
17933:17, 17944:11,
17957:23
exceptional [1] 17941:9
excruciating [1] 17902:37
excused [6] 17889:24, 17897:28,
17906:8, 17914:10,
17926:33, 17935:22
exercise [2] 17931:11, 17967:41
exercised [1] 17968:47
C10
Transcript produced by DTI
exhibit [2] - 17890:9,
17902:26
EXHIBIT [6] 17890:11, 17898:2,
17907:7, 17915:3,
17927:23, 17936:9
exhibiting [2] 17966:32, 17966:34
exist [1] - 17939:10
existing [1] 17967:33
expect [3] - 17926:44,
17926:46, 17967:26
expectation [1] 17944:18
expectations [3] 17894:35, 17896:34,
17897:9
expected [3] 17898:18, 17905:16,
17968:1
expecting [1] 17921:12
expel [1] - 17945:5
experience [3] 17891:39, 17927:46,
17928:1
experienced [6] 17901:39, 17903:8,
17928:44, 17935:9,
17967:28, 17967:29
experiences [2] 17903:20, 17912:8
experiencing [1] 17929:16
explain [8] - 17894:8,
17905:9, 17908:36,
17932:16, 17937:22,
17944:8, 17954:42,
17956:13
explained [2] 17894:6, 17911:5
explaining [2] 17909:33, 17929:35
explanation [2] 17944:10, 17956:12
explored [2] 17908:27, 17912:20
exploring [1] 17908:32
expose [1] - 17911:39
exposed [1] 17918:11
expressed [2] 17903:25, 17941:8
expression [2] 17893:28, 17909:24
extended [1] 17927:44
extent [2] - 17897:12,
17955:10
eyes [1] - 17924:33
F
face [6] - 17902:34,
17909:24, 17916:40,
17921:11, 17929:28,
17930:8
facilitated [1] 17934:9
facing [2] - 17909:20,
17911:43
fact [9] - 17894:16,
17904:8, 17913:13,
17956:4, 17958:12,
17967:19, 17967:21,
17968:41
factor [1] - 17968:43
fail [1] - 17894:35
failed [1] - 17924:19
fair [6] - 17880:13,
17894:29, 17908:21,
17941:11, 17941:14,
17966:7
fairly [2] - 17915:34,
17968:2
faith [4] - 17894:42,
17896:38, 17903:18,
17903:24
false [1] - 17912:20
familiar [6] 17876:39, 17877:1,
17878:35, 17939:29,
17962:4, 17962:5
familiarise [1] 17951:45
families [1] - 17913:46
family [38] - 17883:18,
17884:39, 17885:30,
17885:39, 17887:17,
17887:20, 17887:33,
17890:21, 17890:22,
17890:36, 17890:42,
17896:20, 17898:9,
17898:11, 17903:21,
17907:22, 17907:26,
17907:44, 17910:20,
17910:21, 17912:28,
17912:29, 17913:34,
17913:37, 17913:40,
17913:47, 17927:40,
17927:42, 17927:44,
17928:5, 17928:21,
17928:29, 17928:34,
17933:5, 17933:8,
17934:19, 17934:27,
17959:45
far [14] - 17881:37,
17882:17, 17883:19,
17887:18, 17887:25,
17887:34, 17900:12,
17923:46, 17925:37,
17930:2, 17938:15,
17940:43, 17946:45,
17964:46
father [50] - 17874:45,
17875:20, 17875:43,
17876:24, 17877:41,
17878:11, 17880:32,
17880:45, 17881:7,
17881:10, 17881:45,
17882:11, 17882:43,
17883:45, 17889:23,
17890:18, 17893:27,
17893:29, 17893:33,
17893:39, 17893:46,
17900:43, 17901:40,
17901:41, 17901:43,
17903:25, 17905:12,
17905:17, 17907:34,
17909:39, 17910:22,
17910:29, 17912:43,
17912:45, 17913:2,
17913:9, 17913:12,
17913:25, 17913:28,
17913:32, 17913:34,
17913:36, 17924:30,
17927:38, 17927:44,
17928:32, 17933:16,
17934:39, 17934:40,
17952:34
Father [130] - 17874:1,
17874:22, 17874:29,
17875:13, 17875:44,
17875:47, 17876:16,
17876:35, 17876:36,
17877:22, 17877:35,
17877:43, 17878:29,
17878:34, 17878:43,
17879:15, 17879:18,
17879:21, 17879:31,
17880:1, 17880:5,
17880:23, 17882:19,
17882:32, 17882:39,
17882:46, 17883:25,
17883:38, 17883:46,
17884:2, 17884:38,
17884:42, 17884:47,
17885:11, 17885:29,
17886:8, 17886:45,
17886:46, 17887:14,
17887:20, 17887:32,
17887:36, 17887:46,
17888:18, 17888:24,
17888:27, 17888:32,
17888:35, 17888:39,
17888:44, 17889:19,
17903:2, 17906:29,
17907:14, 17907:32,
17910:38, 17911:19,
.05/09/2016 (C168)
17911:20, 17915:19,
17920:47, 17922:14,
17922:17, 17922:21,
17922:27, 17922:29,
17922:35, 17923:21,
17925:22, 17925:36,
17925:39, 17925:42,
17926:5, 17926:7,
17926:18, 17926:21,
17936:18, 17936:19,
17942:32, 17942:35,
17943:34, 17943:41,
17944:3, 17944:8,
17944:27, 17945:15,
17945:24, 17945:33,
17945:36, 17945:39,
17945:40, 17945:47,
17946:13, 17946:29,
17946:30, 17946:40,
17946:46, 17947:8,
17947:34, 17949:16,
17949:23, 17949:27,
17949:35, 17949:47,
17951:11, 17951:25,
17952:27, 17952:36,
17952:44, 17953:6,
17953:12, 17954:41,
17955:11, 17955:16,
17955:22, 17955:29,
17958:19, 17958:24,
17958:34, 17958:36,
17958:44, 17959:5,
17959:9, 17959:12,
17960:16, 17964:7,
17968:20, 17968:24,
17969:12
father' [1] - 17909:37
father-son [1] 17881:7
Fatima [3] - 17890:24,
17890:29, 17890:33
fault [4] - 17895:45,
17896:1, 17896:2,
17896:25
favourites [1] 17900:18
fear [3] - 17896:20,
17905:37, 17916:9
fearing [1] - 17968:15
February [1] 17934:47
feely [1] - 17898:47
feet [1] - 17926:39
fell [2] - 17921:9,
17928:15
fellow [2] - 17928:43,
17941:20
felt [22] - 17892:17,
17893:4, 17894:10,
17899:29, 17899:32,
17899:47, 17903:9,
17908:15, 17908:36,
17917:8, 17917:10,
17923:11, 17929:8,
17929:9, 17929:11,
17929:42, 17931:2,
17931:31, 17933:22,
17944:11, 17963:35,
17965:37
Fenton [11] 17906:29, 17915:19,
17922:14, 17922:17,
17925:22, 17925:36,
17925:42, 17926:5,
17926:7, 17926:18,
17926:21
ferocious [1] 17929:3
few [17] - 17878:15,
17896:19, 17899:21,
17908:42, 17911:3,
17912:44, 17916:24,
17925:4, 17931:15,
17932:13, 17933:35,
17950:17, 17958:23,
17963:15, 17963:16,
17966:45, 17969:3
fifth [2] - 17898:8,
17907:9
figures [1] - 17894:35
file [7] - 17941:41,
17953:23, 17955:35,
17956:5, 17956:6,
17961:15, 17963:7
files [1] - 17960:44
fill [1] - 17929:11
filled [1] - 17930:30
fillings [1] - 17920:39
final [1] - 17888:36
financial [1] - 17896:6
financially [1] 17912:11
fine [1] - 17883:3
fingers [3] - 17900:12,
17918:8, 17931:4
finished [4] 17908:13, 17922:45,
17932:4, 17933:7
finishing [1] 17892:40
firework [4] 17900:36, 17900:37,
17900:41, 17901:3
fireworks [1] 17904:20
firm [1] - 17922:2
firmness [1] 17929:42
first [32] - 17874:1,
17875:21, 17880:28,
C11
Transcript produced by DTI
17880:33, 17884:26,
17890:31, 17890:41,
17891:37, 17895:25,
17897:2, 17899:2,
17903:1, 17903:42,
17905:11, 17908:22,
17911:45, 17916:15,
17919:16, 17920:10,
17928:4, 17928:41,
17929:1, 17929:15,
17929:23, 17929:33,
17934:22, 17939:18,
17939:19, 17953:22,
17957:46, 17959:35,
17963:21
firstly [4] - 17875:47,
17939:34, 17950:5,
17950:19
fists [1] - 17916:1
fit [1] - 17944:34
fitter [1] - 17933:20
five [7] - 17875:36,
17875:37, 17915:30,
17921:19, 17928:3,
17938:35, 17948:21
flannelette [1] 17919:31
flashbacks [2] 17912:23, 17924:47
flogged [1] - 17930:27
floor [1] - 17891:46
focus [5] - 17905:2,
17913:3, 17913:19,
17917:2, 17930:40
follow [7] - 17911:30,
17913:9, 17947:4,
17954:24, 17957:2,
17958:38, 17958:40
follow-up [1] 17958:38
followed [4] 17913:38, 17950:13,
17955:15, 17957:38
following [14] 17878:4, 17890:29,
17893:9, 17898:30,
17900:42, 17900:46,
17901:45, 17910:37,
17922:42, 17934:25,
17937:40, 17954:37,
17960:23, 17969:1
food [1] - 17928:32
foot [3] - 17908:3,
17919:36, 17933:12
Forbes [1] - 17938:17
force [2] - 17902:24,
17920:17
Force [2] - 17911:22,
17935:13
foremost [1] -
17905:11
forensic [1] 17888:17
form [29] - 17886:27,
17890:41, 17890:45,
17891:4, 17891:25,
17894:22, 17899:3,
17899:9, 17899:18,
17900:20, 17900:35,
17905:34, 17916:11,
17916:13, 17918:38,
17919:45, 17921:18,
17928:41, 17929:1,
17929:2, 17929:15,
17929:23, 17929:31,
17930:13, 17930:29,
17931:6, 17932:3,
17933:7
formal [6] - 17893:28,
17940:32, 17951:8,
17954:36, 17960:41
formally [1] - 17955:6
former [5] - 17881:24,
17881:32, 17932:35,
17961:37
forms [1] - 17921:19
fortnight [1] 17930:13
forward [2] 17947:20, 17955:6
fought [1] - 17900:5
four [6] - 17875:16,
17890:15, 17908:2,
17916:22, 17919:15,
17933:47
fourth [10] - 17890:31,
17891:25, 17894:22,
17900:20, 17928:7,
17929:2, 17930:13,
17930:29, 17931:6,
17933:7
Fr [2] - 17878:7,
17878:9
Francis [2] 17881:11, 17898:32
free [4] - 17920:5,
17948:40, 17949:42,
17969:16
Free [8] - 17873:46,
17886:46, 17906:3,
17914:5, 17914:23,
17926:27, 17948:47,
17956:1
FREE [54] - 17874:1,
17874:14, 17874:20,
17874:22, 17880:41,
17883:38, 17889:19,
17889:30, 17889:38,
17889:40, 17897:20,
17897:32, 17897:37,
17897:39, 17897:47,
17898:4, 17903:28,
17906:5, 17906:14,
17906:24, 17906:34,
17906:38, 17906:40,
17912:32, 17914:7,
17914:14, 17914:35,
17914:37, 17915:1,
17915:5, 17925:11,
17926:29, 17927:7,
17927:11, 17927:13,
17927:21, 17927:25,
17935:18, 17935:28,
17935:32, 17935:34,
17935:42, 17936:1,
17936:11, 17941:30,
17947:45, 17948:4,
17948:42, 17949:4,
17949:9, 17949:44,
17957:32, 17969:14,
17969:22
frequency [1] 17917:17
friend [11] - 17880:38,
17880:42, 17889:32,
17895:38, 17900:34,
17902:1, 17902:18,
17902:30, 17904:5,
17904:11, 17907:44
friendliness [1] 17893:28
friendly [2] 17879:33, 17891:8
friends [16] 17876:17, 17887:24,
17896:18, 17896:19,
17896:21, 17903:21,
17916:19, 17916:20,
17916:36, 17916:37,
17922:42, 17922:43,
17924:45, 17928:11,
17930:23, 17934:38
friendships [1] 17934:18
front [11] - 17893:30,
17893:34, 17893:38,
17899:7, 17899:13,
17900:12, 17902:30,
17904:20, 17908:34,
17919:21, 17928:13
froze [2] - 17908:29,
17909:25
fuelled [1] - 17897:14
full [12] - 17874:22,
17889:40, 17890:14,
17896:32, 17897:11,
17909:20, 17933:46,
17935:34, 17939:29,
17954:23, 17962:31,
17967:13
.05/09/2016 (C168)
full-time [2] 17933:46, 17967:13
fully [1] - 17919:22
funeral [3] - 17884:26,
17914:1, 17928:17
funny [1] - 17913:23
fury [1] - 17899:42
G
Gabriel's [5] 17890:45, 17890:47,
17891:12, 17893:22,
17895:4
Gabriel's) [1] 17890:46
gain [1] - 17924:3
gather [2] - 17918:20,
17954:11
general [2] 17896:36, 17931:25
General [2] 17875:32, 17876:42
generally [5] 17877:32, 17944:24,
17947:27, 17950:6,
17968:2
genital [3] - 17908:32,
17957:27, 17957:29
genitally [1] 17942:44
genitals [3] - 17892:7,
17892:11, 17900:11
geographical [1] 17938:6
geography [1] 17919:39
Georgiana [2] 17911:22, 17935:13
girlfriend [1] 17920:44
Girls [1] - 17952:21
girls [2] - 17896:14,
17942:45
given [18] - 17879:27,
17887:42, 17888:31,
17897:39, 17913:25,
17913:43, 17914:40,
17926:37, 17927:13,
17933:5, 17945:27,
17946:30, 17951:15,
17951:17, 17951:39,
17961:18, 17967:33,
17967:35
glasses [1] - 17920:39
gold [2] - 17920:39
gold-rimmed [1] 17920:39
grabbed [4] 17892:36, 17892:44,
17908:25, 17916:46
grabbing [1] 17905:35
grades [5] - 17902:14,
17909:41, 17913:5,
17913:13, 17922:39
gradually [2] 17924:14, 17933:37
graffiti [4] - 17943:6,
17945:4, 17945:5,
17945:6
Grant [1] - 17889:13
grant [1] - 17906:30
granted [1] - 17874:8
grasp [1] - 17929:20
gravity [1] - 17960:36
great [7] - 17895:28,
17902:24, 17903:10,
17904:14, 17905:18,
17912:28, 17944:10
greatly [1] - 17923:8
grew [4] - 17898:7,
17913:37, 17915:11,
17927:37
grey [1] - 17908:9
greying [1] - 17920:38
grief [3] - 17885:45,
17886:5, 17934:27
Griffith [1] - 17938:17
grin [1] - 17929:28
groin [1] - 17892:17
grope [1] - 17932:44
groping [3] - 17930:4,
17930:12, 17930:21
ground [3] - 17928:16,
17929:27, 17968:46
grounds [4] 17890:33, 17904:4,
17904:6, 17915:32
grounds" [1] 17904:13
group [8] - 17878:5,
17891:30, 17892:30,
17895:17, 17919:19,
17937:30, 17941:22,
17967:34
groups [1] - 17965:26
growing [2] 17913:19, 17927:42
grumpy [1] - 17891:9
guard [1] - 17931:3
guess [2] - 17930:26,
17948:32
guided [1] - 17916:39
guilty [4] - 17895:31,
17911:46, 17935:6,
17935:15
gurgler [1] - 17896:47
gut [1] - 17893:6
guys [3] - 17904:15,
C12
Transcript produced by DTI
17932:25, 17935:9
H
habit [2] - 17913:44,
17917:1
habits [1] - 17917:19
habitual [1] 17899:45
Hackett [24] 17942:32, 17942:35,
17942:36, 17943:34,
17944:8, 17944:27,
17945:15, 17949:47,
17951:11, 17952:27,
17952:36, 17952:44,
17953:6, 17953:12,
17954:41, 17958:19,
17958:24, 17958:34,
17958:36, 17958:44,
17959:5, 17959:9,
17959:12, 17960:16
Hahn [1] - 17873:47
hair [3] - 17908:9,
17916:42, 17920:38
half [4] - 17883:11,
17887:43, 17938:16,
17960:2
halfway [1] - 17905:8
Hallett [1] - 17926:42
hallway [1] - 17919:35
Hamilton [25] 17875:12, 17875:16,
17880:35, 17882:23,
17888:6, 17898:28,
17904:6, 17907:18,
17913:4, 17915:42,
17928:8, 17928:19,
17928:22, 17928:36,
17928:39, 17928:46,
17929:32, 17932:12,
17932:32, 17932:39,
17937:12, 17937:19,
17940:2, 17962:36,
17962:43
hand [34] - 17892:44,
17893:3, 17893:40,
17899:11, 17899:24,
17899:25, 17899:29,
17900:10, 17900:11,
17902:21, 17902:22,
17902:23, 17902:25,
17902:34, 17902:35,
17902:36, 17908:15,
17908:26, 17916:46,
17917:1, 17917:3,
17920:7, 17920:18,
17920:32, 17921:22,
17921:44, 17929:41,
17929:44, 17929:45,
17931:3, 17931:5,
17956:20, 17961:42,
17963:11
handling [1] 17876:36
handover [3] 17960:40, 17960:41,
17960:42
hands [18] - 17899:1,
17899:6, 17899:12,
17899:16, 17899:23,
17900:1, 17900:15,
17902:37, 17905:41,
17916:34, 17919:28,
17920:6, 17920:33,
17921:45, 17922:30,
17929:25, 17969:19
handwriting [5] 17943:37, 17943:38,
17946:11, 17963:8,
17963:23
handwritten [1] 17950:2
hang [1] - 17885:26
hanged [2] - 17885:1,
17885:4
happy [3] - 17895:43,
17915:34, 17967:44
hard [9] - 17877:24,
17883:11, 17899:42,
17900:5, 17921:9,
17922:41, 17924:30,
17933:40, 17951:43
hardest [1] - 17935:8
harm [3] - 17943:21,
17945:20, 17951:13
harm's [1] - 17910:35
harsh [3] - 17891:13,
17905:34, 17908:3
Hart [1] - 17920:47
hated [1] - 17900:28
head [5] - 17919:34,
17921:9, 17921:10,
17931:19, 17961:44
headed [1] - 17941:47
Headmaster [1] 17964:27
headmaster [10] 17941:20, 17962:42,
17962:47, 17963:47,
17965:17, 17967:24,
17967:29, 17967:37,
17967:41, 17969:4
heads [1] - 17891:47
healing [1] - 17944:37
Healing [1] - 17945:43
health [1] - 17924:36
hear [8] - 17881:21,
17914:19, 17914:37,
17940:11, 17940:13,
17968:9, 17968:10,
17968:13
heard [15] - 17881:18,
17881:42, 17882:7,
17885:36, 17891:37,
17898:38, 17899:27,
17899:31, 17908:11,
17916:18, 17930:31,
17941:13, 17958:36,
17961:18
Hearing [1] - 17873:20
hearing [5] 17891:35, 17895:35,
17897:40, 17906:41,
17935:4
hearsay [1] - 17954:20
heart [1] - 17881:22
Heart [9] - 17920:47,
17922:12, 17925:28,
17925:31, 17928:7,
17928:11, 17928:19,
17928:22, 17928:24
hearts [1] - 17905:40
heavily [3] - 17917:4,
17927:42, 17934:4
heavy [2] - 17908:33,
17966:19
heels [1] - 17930:2
Heffron [1] - 17892:29
Heights [1] - 17915:11
Heinrich [1] 17964:30
Heinz [2] - 17928:42,
17928:43
held [4] - 17892:47,
17916:45, 17931:10,
17939:21
Helen [1] - 17934:13
Helferty [1] - 17884:2
help [3] - 17933:16,
17940:23, 17964:38
helped [1] - 17918:20
helpful [1] - 17934:11
helping [1] - 17944:38
helps [3] - 17925:5,
17925:7, 17961:33
hence [1] - 17950:32
Herald [1] - 17934:43
hide [1] - 17886:24
hierarchy [1] 17896:7
High [6] - 17881:11,
17890:45, 17898:27,
17901:35, 17915:41,
17937:12
high [12] - 17881:31,
17890:40, 17901:34,
17901:37, 17907:18,
17907:19, 17907:37,
17910:9, 17915:39,
.05/09/2016 (C168)
17928:38, 17933:25
higher [1] - 17939:47
highlight [1] 17874:44
highly [1] - 17965:28
Hill [10] - 17928:6,
17938:17, 17938:27,
17959:47, 17960:1,
17960:12, 17960:15,
17960:20, 17960:28,
17961:22
himself [14] - 17885:1,
17885:4, 17885:26,
17886:29, 17886:30,
17886:33, 17899:42,
17905:12, 17911:40,
17913:38, 17917:6,
17920:32, 17929:47,
17953:5
hindsight [1] 17902:45
hinging [1] - 17955:4
historically [1] 17913:3
history [1] - 17942:39
hit [6] - 17913:23,
17913:27, 17915:47,
17921:12, 17921:45,
17931:8
hoarding [1] 17933:43
Hocking [1] 17898:35
hold [3] - 17892:45,
17916:46, 17939:18
Holden [1] - 17900:40
holding [1] - 17908:25
holidays [5] 17900:32, 17921:35,
17921:37, 17922:5,
17922:20
home [4] - 17893:31,
17909:26, 17932:45,
17933:23
homework [4] 17916:5, 17919:40,
17930:41, 17933:2
homosexual [2] 17898:43, 17924:9
honestly [1] 17885:17
honour [1] - 17913:43
Honour [42] - 17874:1,
17874:4, 17883:38,
17889:30, 17897:21,
17897:26, 17897:32,
17897:47, 17904:41,
17906:5, 17906:14,
17906:24, 17906:28,
17912:33, 17912:37,
17914:3, 17914:14,
17915:1, 17925:13,
17925:17, 17926:25,
17926:29, 17926:37,
17927:7, 17927:21,
17935:24, 17935:28,
17935:42, 17936:1,
17946:7, 17946:27,
17946:43, 17947:45,
17948:11, 17948:27,
17948:42, 17949:4,
17949:10, 17949:12,
17949:44, 17969:14,
17969:22
Honour's [1] 17914:15
hope [1] - 17914:15
hopefully [1] 17887:28
horrible [1] - 17935:10
horror [1] - 17930:14
hospital [1] 17924:38
hour [2] - 17883:11,
17887:43
hours [1] - 17892:31
house [7] - 17882:25,
17882:43, 17883:15,
17884:6, 17887:25,
17893:21, 17928:33
House [2] - 17873:27,
17923:25
hug [1] - 17920:15
huge [2] - 17932:8,
17933:1
hundreds [1] 17896:46
Hunter [1] - 17873:28
hurt [3] - 17897:18,
17918:19, 17933:36
hurting [1] - 17912:11
husband [1] - 17886:2
hypervigilant [1] 17903:13
hypocrite [1] 17904:17
hypocrites [1] 17904:16
I
idea [2] - 17905:18,
17931:43
identification [1] 17949:5
identified [5] 17888:43, 17906:40,
17936:23, 17952:6,
17953:42
identify [2] -
C13
Transcript produced by DTI
17894:33, 17969:18
ill [4] - 17882:29,
17930:30, 17933:36,
17937:26
imagine [1] - 17893:8
Immaculate [2] 17898:15, 17907:29
immediate [1] 17882:3
immediately [12] 17878:22, 17882:37,
17884:28, 17892:20,
17893:3, 17893:9,
17902:20, 17905:46,
17917:9, 17923:28,
17923:39, 17932:36
impact [6] - 17895:34,
17896:12, 17896:35,
17897:4, 17933:1,
17935:7
impacted [3] 17903:10, 17923:9,
17924:26
impacting [1] 17912:25
implied [1] - 17965:37
importance [1] 17913:13
important [2] 17903:47, 17961:22
imposing [1] 17930:31
impossible [1] 17908:5
impression [7] 17904:3, 17904:14,
17911:12, 17911:15,
17912:10, 17966:40,
17967:32
impunity [1] 17902:42
inappropriate [28] 17878:16, 17878:21,
17878:27, 17879:5,
17879:25, 17879:37,
17880:34, 17881:46,
17945:32, 17955:34,
17955:40, 17955:44,
17955:46, 17956:5,
17956:8, 17956:14,
17956:20, 17956:27,
17956:33, 17956:45,
17957:13, 17957:17,
17958:11, 17958:14,
17959:45, 17960:34,
17961:11
incardinated [1] 17874:29
inches [1] - 17908:2
incident [13] -
17878:38, 17880:45,
17881:6, 17881:19,
17893:45, 17911:22,
17922:16, 17926:15,
17926:18, 17935:1,
17943:18, 17961:40,
17961:42
incidents [5] 17876:36, 17877:42,
17878:42, 17892:27,
17963:16
included [5] 17878:7, 17895:17,
17898:32, 17938:16,
17955:43
includes [1] 17960:12
including [4] 17894:43, 17895:32,
17913:34, 17934:19
increased [1] 17917:18
increasingly [1] 17912:6
indecency [1] 17935:2
indecent [1] 17935:14
indecently [1] 17961:39
independent [2] 17876:35, 17877:28
India [1] - 17933:34
indicate [2] - 17894:2,
17926:39
indicated [6] 17880:2, 17880:11,
17889:32, 17902:31,
17909:42, 17966:26
indication [4] 17880:8, 17944:27,
17944:31, 17957:23
indications [1] 17886:34
individual [1] 17891:47
influence [1] 17897:15
information [10] 17888:19, 17888:23,
17888:31, 17894:30,
17894:41, 17894:43,
17910:40, 17911:35,
17945:23, 17968:37
informed [2] 17923:44, 17967:27
informing [1] 17946:42
initiative [2] 17939:14, 17946:20
injury [1] - 17933:35
inpatient [1] 17924:39
inquiries [1] - 17951:3
inserted [2] - 17918:8,
17918:18
inside [8] - 17899:24,
17899:26, 17899:29,
17900:10, 17900:15,
17916:42, 17919:28,
17942:44
inspect [1] - 17930:38
inspecting [1] 17929:36
inspection [4] 17892:6, 17892:9,
17892:10, 17892:11
instance [6] 17903:1, 17903:2,
17917:16, 17919:41,
17952:20, 17966:19
instances [1] 17894:31
instead [3] 17897:16, 17921:34,
17930:38
institution [2] 17912:6, 17912:16
INSTITUTIONAL [1] 17873:15
instructed [2] 17919:17, 17919:19
instruction [1] 17896:26
insurance [2] 17942:7, 17942:8
intact [1] - 17958:5
integrity [1] - 17941:9
intended [4] 17902:31, 17915:29,
17933:45, 17933:47
intention [1] 17905:14
interaction [1] 17901:13
interest [4] 17911:21, 17915:27,
17926:10, 17932:44
interested [8] 17891:31, 17894:30,
17894:37, 17894:46,
17911:13, 17911:25,
17912:2, 17929:9
interests [2] 17886:46, 17912:42
internet [2] - 17895:2,
17923:25
interview [1] 17878:23
interviewing [2] -
.05/09/2016 (C168)
17946:31
intimacy [1] 17924:19
INTO [1] - 17873:15
introduced [1] 17923:3
invading [1] 17957:16
investigate [3] 17911:29, 17911:30,
17954:27
investigating [1] 17911:19
investigation [4] 17902:9, 17954:23,
17957:1, 17958:10
investigative [1] 17957:6
invited [1] - 17910:39
involve [1] - 17966:11
involved [8] 17885:25, 17887:12,
17891:22, 17893:16,
17911:24, 17927:42,
17928:29, 17928:30
involvement [2] 17876:45, 17962:26
involving [3] 17880:46, 17881:6,
17911:22
issue [6] - 17874:14,
17880:38, 17888:15,
17894:46, 17942:7,
17950:6
Issues [1] - 17941:47
issues [8] - 17891:38,
17894:42, 17896:41,
17899:3, 17924:21,
17924:36, 17928:42,
17945:41
J
Jack [3] - 17898:34,
17907:45
January [1] 17950:34
job [3] - 17896:26,
17933:34, 17950:32
jobs [1] - 17933:31
JOHN [3] - 17874:18,
17889:36, 17890:11
John [11] - 17874:24,
17889:41, 17890:14,
17919:47, 17921:38,
17921:40, 17921:43,
17921:45, 17922:9,
17922:30, 17939:30
join [2] - 17936:32,
17936:34
joined [4] - 17891:29,
17922:46, 17923:7,
17936:28
joining [1] - 17923:2
Joseph' [1] - 17919:42
Joseph's [4] 17890:25, 17898:24,
17915:31, 17928:4
judge [2] - 17895:15,
17895:41
July [2] - 17888:39,
17907:37
June [2] - 17957:37,
17957:40
junior [1] - 17907:31
Justice [1] - 17873:39
justify [2] - 17901:8,
17901:10
K
keen [1] - 17911:20
keep [3] - 17910:17,
17912:4, 17934:6
keeps [1] - 17934:18
Keevers [1] 17934:13
KEITH [1] - 17935:30
Kelly [2] - 17898:36,
17907:44
kept [5] - 17929:29,
17930:4, 17931:11,
17931:20, 17958:4
Kevin [18] - 17890:18,
17893:21, 17893:26,
17893:27, 17893:30,
17893:34, 17893:35,
17893:37, 17893:38,
17893:42, 17893:45,
17894:2, 17894:5,
17894:11, 17895:45,
17895:47, 17898:35
Kevin's [8] 17894:18, 17915:18,
17915:19, 17915:32,
17922:12, 17925:29,
17925:30, 17925:33
key [1] - 17967:15
kids [10] - 17898:40,
17901:10, 17905:35,
17910:35, 17932:44,
17963:40, 17964:3,
17965:5, 17965:19,
17967:11
kids' [1] - 17899:16
killed [5] - 17886:29,
17886:30, 17886:33,
17933:26, 17934:16
kilometres [1] 17919:5
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kind [3] - 17882:8,
17916:15, 17956:21
kiss [1] - 17920:15
kissed [1] - 17961:43
kissing [1] - 17916:40
kit [1] - 17919:20
kitchen [1] - 17893:31
knee [3] - 17916:40,
17920:7, 17961:40
know' [1] - 17917:40
knowing [3] 17900:33, 17956:47,
17966:9
knowingly [1] 17910:35
knowledge [14] 17888:16, 17910:4,
17926:22, 17946:13,
17950:39, 17950:40,
17950:44, 17954:5,
17958:11, 17958:13,
17960:22, 17961:10,
17961:12
known [12] - 17877:6,
17901:3, 17904:38,
17908:19, 17933:29,
17940:38, 17940:47,
17941:3, 17941:19,
17943:19, 17960:44
L
lab [3] - 17892:15,
17892:23, 17892:27
labelled [1] - 17924:9
laboratory [2] 17891:33, 17891:42
labouring [1] 17933:31
labs [1] - 17891:36
lack [1] - 17901:5
lacked [1] - 17891:9
lad [4] - 17943:3,
17943:46, 17944:3,
17944:12
Lady [3] - 17890:23,
17890:29, 17890:33
lady [2] - 17918:24,
17954:21
Lambton [1] 17915:11
large [1] - 17894:42
last [11] - 17882:32,
17882:33, 17898:23,
17904:27, 17918:14,
17925:4, 17929:1,
17932:19, 17933:1,
17933:17, 17960:30
lasted [2] - 17901:24,
17931:14
lasts [1] - 17954:11
late [4] - 17875:14,
17909:4, 17925:43,
17962:42
laws [1] - 17913:39
lawyers [1] - 17895:13
lay [1] - 17953:33
lead [1] - 17933:40
leader [1] - 17964:47
leading [1] - 17968:10
league [1] - 17891:22
leaning [3] 17892:15, 17919:28,
17929:47
learning [1] 17896:26
learnt [1] - 17901:38
least [7] - 17912:44,
17930:13, 17943:25,
17947:45, 17949:1,
17955:10, 17961:7
leave [14] - 17874:7,
17884:6, 17899:36,
17905:4, 17905:10,
17906:30, 17909:45,
17917:5, 17919:35,
17921:33, 17923:32,
17932:36, 17941:18,
17969:19
leaving [8] - 17892:41,
17903:7, 17905:19,
17913:4, 17932:20,
17932:32, 17934:37,
17944:34
lecture [1] - 17921:41
lecturers [1] 17896:25
led [6] - 17877:44,
17878:43, 17879:14,
17910:27, 17957:45
Leeton [1] - 17938:17
left [30] - 17883:18,
17892:39, 17893:5,
17894:6, 17894:22,
17894:24, 17896:28,
17898:29, 17901:46,
17902:21, 17902:23,
17902:35, 17908:43,
17908:45, 17911:7,
17912:19, 17913:8,
17916:46, 17917:27,
17918:1, 17918:47,
17923:7, 17923:11,
17925:38, 17925:42,
17933:7, 17933:10,
17957:4, 17964:14
leg [4] - 17921:8,
17921:22, 17921:27,
17921:44
legal [1] - 17963:38
legs [5] - 17892:35,
17918:42, 17956:34,
17956:38
Leo [1] - 17915:44
less [1] - 17915:27
lesson [3] - 17894:10,
17900:17, 17929:36
letter [3] - 17940:25,
17940:27, 17941:8
letters [1] - 17954:11
letting [1] - 17904:19
level [3] - 17931:43,
17957:26, 17958:13
Lewis [3] - 17906:29,
17915:19, 17925:22
library [1] - 17932:34
lies [1] - 17895:45
life [13] - 17891:16,
17894:10, 17896:36,
17897:4, 17897:12,
17897:16, 17903:22,
17925:2, 17928:27,
17932:43, 17933:1,
17933:40, 17962:5
lifting [1] - 17929:27
lights [1] - 17919:35
likelihood [3] 17943:20, 17945:19,
17951:13
likely [5] - 17961:27,
17961:29, 17966:41,
17968:9, 17968:13
liken [1] - 17934:22
likewise [1] 17961:14
line [7] - 17884:9,
17893:43, 17908:2,
17908:3, 17919:21,
17919:24, 17941:19
lineage [1] - 17913:13
lined [1] - 17919:18
lines [4] - 17879:42,
17905:21, 17909:32,
17932:22
Lismore [1] 17952:37
list [10] - 17887:1,
17895:11, 17926:40,
17926:41, 17942:13,
17948:33, 17948:40,
17961:33, 17969:17
listened [2] 17895:35, 17963:43
lists [3] - 17948:20,
17948:25, 17948:28
literally [1] - 17918:21
litigation [2] 17896:5, 17912:9
live [3] - 17894:35,
17913:25, 17933:22
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lived [9] - 17890:23,
17890:26, 17890:42,
17896:34, 17898:12,
17907:19, 17912:30,
17913:35, 17920:47
lives [2] - 17896:2,
17927:46
living [5] - 17886:2,
17934:5, 17937:26,
17937:30, 17941:23
Llewellyn [4] 17876:38, 17877:1,
17877:5, 17878:20
lobbied [1] - 17915:44
local [3] - 17891:20,
17907:17, 17907:19
location [2] 17898:21, 17914:17
locked [1] - 17930:2
loneliness [1] 17896:21
lonely [1] - 17922:42
look [19] - 17877:23,
17887:1, 17896:16,
17908:10, 17909:25,
17911:1, 17916:30,
17930:7, 17930:45,
17932:33, 17940:15,
17940:17, 17948:32,
17951:45, 17952:25,
17961:32, 17962:14,
17967:45
looked [5] - 17886:23,
17886:24, 17897:13,
17927:39, 17952:2
looking [7] 17894:28, 17911:25,
17916:41, 17919:24,
17929:4, 17931:20,
17968:7
lose [1] - 17917:2
losing [1] - 17926:10
loss [1] - 17884:35
lost [5] - 17896:39,
17903:18, 17915:27,
17932:44, 17933:21
loud [1] - 17900:38
loved [2] - 17896:30,
17934:41
Lucas [27] - 17936:18,
17936:19, 17944:3,
17945:24, 17945:33,
17945:36, 17945:39,
17945:40, 17945:47,
17946:13, 17946:29,
17946:40, 17946:46,
17947:8, 17947:34,
17949:16, 17949:23,
17949:27, 17949:35,
17955:11, 17955:16,
17955:22, 17955:29,
17964:8, 17968:20,
17968:24, 17969:12
Lucas's [2] 17946:30, 17951:25
lunch [6] - 17917:21,
17918:24, 17918:25,
17920:23, 17920:26,
17926:37
luncheon [1] 17927:2
lunchtime [1] 17932:45
M
Mac [2] - 17918:24,
17918:27
MacNamara [1] 17918:24
main [1] - 17913:3
maintained [1] 17909:11
maintaining [3] 17955:36, 17957:14,
17963:35
Maitland [6] 17874:30, 17874:38,
17874:41, 17874:46,
17875:1, 17876:11
Maitland-Newcastle
[4] - 17874:30,
17874:38, 17874:41,
17876:11
major [1] - 17896:35
majority [1] 17950:12
male [1] - 17959:45
Malone [7] - 17910:39,
17910:41, 17910:45,
17910:47, 17911:4,
17911:8, 17911:12
man [30] - 17880:3,
17908:9, 17919:36,
17923:26, 17924:33,
17930:31, 17941:9,
17942:39, 17943:19,
17943:26, 17943:27,
17943:47, 17944:37,
17945:18, 17945:31,
17947:2, 17950:2,
17950:3, 17950:20,
17951:12, 17951:19,
17951:22, 17963:27,
17963:31, 17963:39,
17964:16, 17964:24,
17965:41, 17967:28,
17968:29
man" [1] - 17964:18
managed [3] -
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17896:26, 17913:19,
17931:4
management [1] 17928:30
manager [1] 17927:38
manner [2] 17921:46, 17922:30
March [2] - 17922:46,
17935:14
margin [1] - 17964:16
MARICH [3] 17904:43, 17904:45,
17906:1
Marich [1] - 17904:45
Marist [87] - 17880:33,
17880:35, 17880:46,
17881:7, 17890:47,
17896:5, 17898:27,
17898:32, 17898:38,
17900:21, 17900:25,
17900:34, 17900:36,
17901:7, 17901:46,
17902:3, 17902:6,
17902:41, 17903:7,
17903:20, 17903:21,
17904:6, 17905:5,
17905:12, 17905:13,
17905:15, 17905:17,
17907:18, 17907:25,
17907:38, 17908:11,
17908:13, 17908:18,
17908:19, 17908:20,
17908:43, 17909:6,
17909:44, 17910:19,
17910:21, 17910:30,
17910:46, 17911:8,
17913:6, 17913:14,
17915:41, 17915:43,
17915:46, 17916:23,
17919:4, 17919:45,
17921:34, 17921:39,
17922:6, 17924:4,
17927:45, 17928:36,
17928:38, 17928:45,
17929:31, 17932:12,
17932:32, 17932:39,
17932:42, 17934:33,
17934:41, 17936:29,
17936:39, 17937:3,
17937:11, 17937:19,
17938:1, 17938:16,
17938:24, 17938:31,
17938:39, 17940:16,
17941:31, 17944:4,
17944:15, 17944:19,
17951:28, 17953:42,
17960:35, 17961:24,
17964:47, 17965:1
mark [1] - 17890:9
marked [1] - 17949:5
marriage [2] 17912:21, 17924:28
marriages [1] 17924:19
married [3] 17894:37, 17894:40,
17933:30
Mary [2] - 17898:15,
17919:42
Mary's [1] - 17907:29
mass [7] - 17890:22,
17898:12, 17915:14,
17915:15, 17915:25,
17927:43, 17928:22
master [7] - 17891:18,
17891:26, 17916:11,
17921:18, 17928:40,
17928:42, 17939:46
Masters [1] - 17874:33
masturbate [2] 17920:31, 17920:34
masturbated [1] 17917:6
masturbating [5] 17916:47, 17918:7,
17918:15, 17920:32,
17920:44
masturbation [2] 17920:16, 17920:19
mate [2] - 17907:33,
17920:4
mathematics [2] 17920:1, 17921:24
maths [5] - 17899:19,
17900:17, 17902:16,
17909:1, 17921:29
Matraville [2] 17890:26, 17890:43
matter [15] - 17874:8,
17888:36, 17911:21,
17911:24, 17914:41,
17923:46, 17943:23,
17944:41, 17954:35,
17955:17, 17957:9,
17958:10, 17961:9,
17965:21
matters [1] - 17880:29
mature [1] - 17952:21
maturing [1] 17942:46
maturity [1] - 17901:5
Maureen [7] 17923:27, 17923:31,
17923:34, 17923:36,
17923:41, 17924:2,
17934:12
Mayfield [4] 17898:13, 17898:20,
17907:13, 17907:20
McClellan [1] 17873:39
McMahon [5] 17880:37, 17886:43,
17886:45, 17889:15
McNamara [1] 17898:35
me' [1] - 17921:17
meal [1] - 17919:16
meals [1] - 17928:34
mean [17] - 17882:27,
17886:27, 17898:42,
17938:6, 17939:46,
17941:21, 17942:5,
17942:25, 17943:27,
17947:27, 17948:10,
17948:17, 17948:19,
17950:20, 17954:8,
17955:35, 17966:36
meaning [1] 17910:15
meaningless [1] 17896:9
means [6] - 17905:44,
17941:22, 17942:22,
17956:7, 17956:8,
17956:12
meant [11] - 17891:19,
17898:44, 17904:1,
17908:4, 17916:43,
17929:21, 17955:40,
17955:44, 17955:46,
17956:13, 17967:30
medallion [1] 17909:9
medical [5] - 17892:6,
17944:5, 17944:12,
17955:5, 17958:38
medication [2] 17924:42, 17933:45
medications [1] 17924:40
meet [6] - 17876:22,
17891:32, 17897:9,
17941:5, 17941:6,
17946:46
meeting [16] 17901:24, 17903:39,
17904:22, 17904:25,
17910:6, 17910:10,
17910:47, 17912:43,
17913:26, 17913:32,
17921:39, 17922:8,
17922:21, 17924:4,
17932:13, 17932:17
meetings [3] 17934:12, 17934:14,
17934:15
Melbourne [6] 17877:45, 17878:43,
.05/09/2016 (C168)
17878:46, 17879:4,
17879:15, 17879:21
member [11] 17887:17, 17922:47,
17941:20, 17953:41,
17954:17, 17955:39,
17955:45, 17956:13,
17956:23, 17957:45,
17957:47
members [2] 17883:18, 17912:27
memories [1] 17912:8
memory [14] 17881:37, 17900:16,
17903:45, 17908:1,
17908:40, 17909:5,
17931:22, 17933:2,
17942:7, 17948:31,
17950:28, 17950:30,
17950:31, 17957:36
mental [1] - 17924:36
mention [4] - 17894:1,
17901:12, 17905:8,
17918:47
mentioned [10] 17882:5, 17889:10,
17893:38, 17894:2,
17904:37, 17905:23,
17938:13, 17942:11,
17957:17, 17969:3
Mercy [3] - 17928:9,
17928:45
Merewether [1] 17909:6
message [2] 17943:46, 17951:26
messages [1] 17923:32
met [5] - 17910:45,
17911:4, 17921:40,
17928:11, 17958:1
Michael [12] 17889:33, 17889:41,
17890:14, 17938:27,
17959:47, 17960:1,
17960:12, 17960:15,
17960:20, 17960:28,
17960:43, 17961:22
MICHAEL [2] 17889:36, 17890:11
mid [1] - 17935:14
mid-1995 [1] 17938:21
mid-March [1] 17935:14
might [27] - 17877:42,
17880:2, 17880:12,
17880:37, 17885:16,
17885:26, 17887:27,
17888:17, 17893:24,
17906:16, 17917:12,
17931:14, 17937:27,
17941:11, 17944:42,
17948:4, 17948:39,
17949:10, 17951:44,
17955:29, 17956:19,
17956:38, 17959:18,
17962:24, 17966:18,
17968:10, 17968:16
Milk [1] - 17894:18
mind [5] - 17878:39,
17895:31, 17916:8,
17956:21, 17956:39
mine [4] - 17895:38,
17902:1, 17904:5,
17927:38
mines [1] - 17933:34
ministry [1] 17937:27
minority [2] 17950:11, 17950:15
minutes [5] 17883:11, 17887:43,
17901:25, 17930:6,
17931:15
misguided [1] 17902:40
Miss [1] - 17877:1
missed [3] - 17917:31,
17918:10, 17918:25
mobile [1] - 17923:33
model [1] - 17941:10
molest [1] - 17900:16
molested [1] 17904:34
molesting [4] 17901:10, 17903:44,
17904:16, 17913:16
moment [5] 17879:45, 17880:38,
17892:19, 17951:41,
17953:27
moments [3] 17958:23, 17966:45,
17969:3
Monday [1] - 17873:32
money [1] - 17896:7
Monsignor [10] 17878:47, 17879:3,
17879:6, 17879:13,
17879:25, 17879:27,
17907:30, 17907:33,
17920:46, 17936:14
months [4] 17890:25, 17928:6,
17929:38, 17933:47
Moorebank [1] 17891:45
morning [2] -
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17906:17, 17969:25
Morris [3] - 17902:4,
17902:5, 17923:42
most [4] - 17901:35,
17930:16, 17932:14,
17938:23
mostly [3] - 17888:20,
17894:17, 17920:23
mother [15] 17882:44, 17894:7,
17894:10, 17894:16,
17902:47, 17913:34,
17913:40, 17915:15,
17915:43, 17917:38,
17924:29, 17926:16,
17927:39, 17928:31,
17931:39
motor [1] - 17933:24
mouth [1] - 17882:2
move [5] - 17895:46,
17908:37, 17920:7,
17930:2, 17931:9
moved [23] 17875:12, 17890:19,
17890:24, 17890:26,
17890:36, 17890:42,
17892:43, 17893:47,
17894:21, 17894:28,
17898:14, 17899:24,
17899:29, 17907:22,
17907:28, 17916:33,
17923:18, 17928:5,
17928:21, 17929:44,
17930:7, 17936:47,
17965:41
moving [2] - 17917:1,
17940:29
mucked [2] 17916:23, 17918:29
multiple [1] 17920:22
mum [16] - 17894:7,
17915:24, 17917:40,
17920:42, 17921:31,
17921:37, 17921:39,
17922:2, 17922:5,
17922:16, 17922:21,
17926:11, 17926:15,
17934:42
Murray [1] - 17873:41
MURRAY [2] 17941:18, 17941:28
Murrurundi [2] 17919:4, 17919:9
must [6] - 17901:3,
17921:39, 17922:16,
17926:15, 17958:1,
17961:7
N
naked [1] - 17892:43
name [25] - 17874:5,
17874:22, 17886:45,
17888:39, 17889:1,
17889:7, 17889:10,
17889:40, 17890:14,
17893:35, 17893:38,
17895:1, 17902:3,
17903:34, 17904:45,
17906:28, 17912:41,
17920:38, 17925:21,
17935:34, 17939:29,
17953:33, 17954:9,
17958:4, 17962:32
named [3] - 17881:11,
17918:24, 17961:32
names [11] 17901:12, 17942:12,
17942:13, 17947:43,
17948:8, 17948:15,
17948:19, 17948:25,
17949:2, 17949:9,
17969:17
Nash [14] - 17874:7,
17882:11, 17882:12,
17883:46, 17884:25,
17886:1, 17887:37,
17887:38, 17888:12,
17910:25, 17926:42,
17934:26, 17934:28
natural [1] - 17896:14
nature [6] - 17876:15,
17878:6, 17880:35,
17943:18, 17947:7,
17947:9
nauseous [1] 17917:9
near [4] - 17895:30,
17900:37, 17920:26,
17921:25
nearby [1] - 17899:14
nearly [2] - 17915:26,
17926:37
necessarily [2] 17876:27, 17968:15
necessary [1] 17914:27
neck [1] - 17905:35
need [9] - 17880:38,
17885:35, 17887:27,
17888:35, 17903:38,
17909:34, 17948:28,
17956:46, 17968:27
needed [5] 17892:25, 17940:29,
17942:10, 17955:13,
17956:44
needs [2] - 17912:17,
17925:9
negative [2] 17913:28, 17964:3
negatively [1] 17903:10
Nelson [1] - 17925:43
network [1] 17934:11
Network [1] 17934:13
never [16] - 17896:23,
17896:30, 17896:32,
17899:5, 17900:10,
17901:27, 17908:8,
17911:23, 17912:13,
17918:34, 17918:36,
17919:1, 17922:6,
17922:17, 17922:32,
17924:15
nevertheless [1] 17950:25
New [2] - 17890:46,
17915:11
new [4] - 17881:11,
17904:7, 17932:33,
17939:14
Newcastle [20] 17873:27, 17873:28,
17874:30, 17874:38,
17874:41, 17876:11,
17895:23, 17898:7,
17907:9, 17907:19,
17913:46, 17915:12,
17919:5, 17922:46,
17923:41, 17927:38,
17928:5, 17928:21,
17934:43, 17935:4
newly [1] - 17882:23
news [2] - 17880:1,
17913:21
newspaper [1] 17895:2
next [23] - 17875:16,
17886:22, 17889:30,
17900:44, 17901:34,
17905:45, 17906:14,
17906:24, 17909:31,
17914:14, 17916:33,
17921:7, 17921:10,
17921:44, 17926:40,
17926:44, 17931:9,
17945:43, 17949:31,
17949:34, 17952:25,
17952:26, 17952:41
nice [2] - 17928:12,
17928:43
Nicholas [2] 17907:45, 17919:11
nickname [1] 17920:1
.05/09/2016 (C168)
nicknamed [1] 17929:20
night [6] - 17883:23,
17919:16, 17919:27,
17932:7, 17933:13,
17934:22
night-time [1] 17932:7
nights [1] - 17919:12
nine [4] - 17903:24,
17913:36, 17915:20,
17959:45
no-one [6] - 17889:17,
17906:3, 17931:18,
17931:19, 17931:32,
17934:21
nobody [1] - 17917:41
nods) [2] - 17937:20,
17944:25
noise [1] - 17931:18
noises [1] - 17919:29
nominated [1] 17945:40
nomination [1] 17942:10
non [1] - 17963:29
non-specific [1] 17963:29
none [1] - 17950:43
normal [2] - 17909:27,
17933:40
normally [2] 17931:13, 17947:12
north [1] - 17919:5
northern [2] 17938:9, 17938:13
note [24] - 17906:14,
17941:41, 17945:1,
17947:13, 17947:21,
17950:34, 17950:35,
17951:12, 17953:23,
17954:16, 17955:35,
17956:5, 17956:6,
17957:7, 17958:35,
17959:19, 17963:7,
17963:15, 17965:16,
17967:4, 17967:24,
17968:19, 17969:14
notes [8] - 17944:47,
17950:1, 17950:27,
17958:36, 17965:20,
17966:47
nothing [17] 17880:9, 17889:15,
17889:19, 17904:40,
17909:34, 17910:32,
17910:34, 17914:7,
17917:33, 17921:47,
17922:31, 17941:13,
17942:15, 17944:47,
17945:3, 17954:19
notice [2] - 17896:8,
17959:37
noticed [5] 17900:18, 17909:14,
17916:47, 17919:40,
17929:24
notify [1] - 17964:12
November [2] 17877:35, 17941:33
NSW [6] - 17890:18,
17895:6, 17911:21,
17938:9, 17938:13,
17938:14
number [9] 17891:46, 17892:18,
17894:31, 17894:42,
17895:10, 17905:23,
17920:36, 17946:7,
17960:45
numbered [1] 17942:14
numbers [1] 17950:11
numerous [1] 17900:8
nun's [1] - 17913:44
nuns [5] - 17913:42,
17915:35, 17927:43,
17928:9, 17928:32
Nurses [1] - 17913:41
O
o'clock [1] - 17969:24
O'Hearn [2] 17923:27, 17934:12
O'Riordan [1] 17959:38
O'Sullivan [1] 17939:30
O'Toole [1] - 17934:13
oath [1] - 17914:28
object [1] - 17880:37
objected [2] 17881:24, 17881:27
objection [1] 17881:40
objections [1] 17881:32
observations [1] 17905:30
observed [2] 17880:22, 17934:26
obtained [1] 17874:33
obvious [2] 17878:37, 17930:43
obviously [1] 17955:13
C17
Transcript produced by DTI
occasion [15] 17876:32, 17877:19,
17889:9, 17892:23,
17899:8, 17899:33,
17902:18, 17917:37,
17918:2, 17918:6,
17918:14, 17921:27,
17931:23, 17940:6,
17968:19
occasionally [4] 17905:33, 17915:35,
17917:36, 17950:10
occasions [15] 17876:22, 17878:15,
17879:43, 17881:30,
17884:26, 17884:27,
17900:9, 17903:3,
17917:17, 17918:16,
17920:22, 17920:25,
17920:33, 17920:36,
17939:33
occurred [5] 17880:6, 17916:3,
17917:30, 17930:22,
17966:2
occurring [4] 17878:17, 17878:21,
17878:28, 17879:38
OCD [1] - 17933:44
ocean [1] - 17909:7
October [3] 17876:25, 17882:19,
17882:20
OF [6] - 17890:11,
17898:2, 17907:7,
17915:3, 17927:23,
17936:9
offence [10] 17947:37, 17947:40,
17948:9, 17948:14,
17948:16, 17949:15,
17949:17, 17949:24,
17949:30, 17950:32
offences [5] 17895:10, 17910:38,
17923:23, 17935:3,
17935:6
offended [1] 17969:19
offenders [1] 17923:37
offending [2] 17895:17, 17895:43
offer [2] - 17884:34,
17905:30
offered [1] - 17963:43
office [18] - 17901:1,
17901:26, 17909:30,
17916:25, 17916:28,
17917:22, 17917:24,
17917:27, 17917:30,
17917:45, 17918:4,
17918:21, 17918:27,
17918:36, 17918:39,
17921:18, 17921:40,
17942:42
Office [10] - 17953:38,
17954:30, 17955:20,
17955:25, 17955:27,
17957:10, 17957:34,
17958:18, 17960:23
officer [5] - 17888:28,
17888:31, 17889:8,
17948:45, 17954:22
official [1] - 17945:46
officially [1] 17876:28
often [11] - 17891:31,
17897:6, 17899:43,
17903:9, 17903:17,
17907:47, 17920:8,
17924:20, 17925:1,
17960:36, 17960:37
OK [1] - 17963:44
old [12] - 17890:15,
17896:20, 17905:13,
17907:38, 17912:24,
17915:20, 17915:24,
17928:4, 17963:28,
17964:16, 17964:18,
17964:23
older [9] - 17898:17,
17905:14, 17905:15,
17907:17, 17907:24,
17908:9, 17908:13,
17915:12, 17915:27
omit [1] - 17936:14
on' [1] - 17932:23
on-the-job [1] 17896:26
once [4] - 17930:13,
17933:46, 17949:36,
17956:45
one [67] - 17874:8,
17877:16, 17878:29,
17880:45, 17881:10,
17882:5, 17883:4,
17883:27, 17886:24,
17887:24, 17888:11,
17888:36, 17889:9,
17889:17, 17892:16,
17893:20, 17894:9,
17895:36, 17897:5,
17899:7, 17900:3,
17900:17, 17902:18,
17903:47, 17906:3,
17911:7, 17912:27,
17913:36, 17915:12,
17917:37, 17917:44,
17918:8, 17918:38,
17919:41, 17923:35,
17928:14, 17928:15,
17929:23, 17930:21,
17930:26, 17931:18,
17931:19, 17931:23,
17931:32, 17932:1,
17932:35, 17933:17,
17934:16, 17934:21,
17936:2, 17936:4,
17941:25, 17945:14,
17945:30, 17949:47,
17956:20, 17958:26,
17958:42, 17959:32,
17962:3, 17962:5,
17963:21, 17967:4,
17967:5, 17968:8
ongoing [2] 17894:39, 17902:9
ONI [2] - 17942:25,
17942:28
open [4] - 17894:17,
17913:7, 17966:9,
17968:5
opened [1] - 17932:34
opinion [1] - 17896:1
opportunities [1] 17896:35
opportunity [1] 17905:28
opposed [1] 17946:26
option [3] - 17896:31,
17930:27, 17931:40
Orange [1] - 17890:41
orange [3] - 17890:24,
17890:37, 17890:38
Order [6] - 17936:33,
17936:34, 17936:40,
17944:23, 17954:38,
17960:35
order [3] - 17913:42,
17924:3, 17926:44
ordered [2] - 17892:5,
17902:19
ordinarily [1] 17960:33
organisation [2] 17896:42, 17954:36
organisations [1] 17928:31
organised [4] 17921:39, 17922:5,
17923:39, 17962:17
originally [1] 17895:17
Oswin [6] - 17919:11,
17919:19, 17919:30,
17919:36, 17919:39,
17920:12
otherwise [6] -
.05/09/2016 (C168)
17888:23, 17902:21,
17936:6, 17936:7,
17944:34, 17969:24
ourselves [1] 17905:44
outbursts [1] 17924:47
outgoing [1] - 17891:8
outlook [1] - 17891:16
outpatient [1] 17924:39
outraged [1] 17934:44
outs [1] - 17916:6
outside [13] 17892:36, 17893:34,
17900:36, 17917:24,
17919:18, 17921:12,
17921:14, 17927:37,
17930:17, 17930:20,
17931:24, 17931:26,
17937:27
overall [1] - 17939:12
overnight [1] 17969:20
overprotective [2] 17903:14, 17924:30
overseas [2] 17876:12, 17933:32
overtly [1] - 17878:37
overwhelming [1] 17903:6
own [12] - 17879:24,
17885:4, 17886:5,
17894:26, 17901:1,
17903:14, 17913:18,
17934:27, 17944:40,
17945:32, 17946:20,
17966:6
owned [1] - 17908:19
P
page [9] - 17877:36,
17877:38, 17943:38,
17952:8, 17952:25,
17952:26, 17959:35,
17959:38, 17963:22
pages [2] - 17930:46,
17931:11
Pagewood [2] 17890:46, 17891:21
pain [1] - 17902:37
pants [17] - 17899:1,
17899:7, 17899:11,
17899:13, 17899:16,
17899:25, 17899:26,
17899:29, 17900:11,
17900:12, 17900:15,
17905:42, 17908:15,
17908:27, 17917:46,
17920:31, 17929:26
paper [8] - 17930:40,
17934:45, 17940:18,
17948:6, 17948:44,
17951:46, 17953:18,
17953:19
parade' [1] - 17892:7
paragraph [22] 17890:4, 17898:6,
17905:3, 17905:8,
17905:21, 17907:5,
17915:10, 17925:23,
17926:4, 17926:14,
17927:34, 17936:12,
17936:14, 17951:16,
17952:9, 17952:12,
17952:28, 17952:41,
17955:33, 17955:43,
17956:3, 17956:7
paranoid [2] 17924:8, 17942:39
pardon [1] - 17883:1
parents [27] 17893:37, 17894:6,
17894:8, 17894:12,
17898:7, 17898:11,
17900:24, 17900:26,
17900:29, 17901:27,
17902:46, 17903:3,
17903:17, 17903:23,
17905:4, 17905:10,
17905:12, 17907:10,
17909:2, 17909:35,
17909:44, 17910:2,
17915:14, 17928:30,
17931:38, 17931:40,
17931:41
parents" [1] - 17905:9
parents' [1] 17894:14
Parish [1] - 17928:19
parish [14] - 17882:40,
17885:34, 17885:38,
17907:13, 17907:30,
17915:19, 17915:21,
17925:36, 17925:43,
17942:22, 17942:31,
17942:35, 17943:21,
17943:45
Park [3] - 17892:29,
17908:19, 17908:20
parody [1] - 17891:40
part [13] - 17887:13,
17890:36, 17891:30,
17892:28, 17902:41,
17904:1, 17923:45,
17924:3, 17924:5,
17928:27, 17931:4,
17958:28, 17967:42
C18
Transcript produced by DTI
part-time [1] 17967:42
particular [15] 17877:42, 17889:7,
17894:34, 17895:37,
17898:39, 17902:6,
17936:28, 17937:27,
17949:47, 17954:33,
17954:34, 17964:41,
17965:3, 17965:8,
17965:36
particularly [4] 17902:16, 17924:27,
17928:26, 17946:32
parts [1] - 17962:3
pass [4] - 17913:28,
17923:41, 17944:11,
17946:33
passed [4] - 17887:37,
17954:23, 17954:38,
17954:41
passing [1] 17944:14
passion [2] 17897:14, 17934:14
passive [1] - 17905:44
past [2] - 17892:37,
17920:11
pastoral [1] 17937:25
path [1] - 17896:23
Patrick [78] 17898:34, 17898:40,
17899:18, 17899:19,
17899:22, 17899:27,
17899:35, 17899:36,
17899:37, 17899:39,
17899:41, 17899:45,
17900:1, 17900:3,
17900:8, 17900:16,
17900:18, 17900:22,
17901:9, 17901:28,
17901:30, 17901:31,
17901:40, 17902:7,
17902:10, 17902:13,
17903:2, 17904:36,
17907:43, 17908:8,
17908:12, 17908:14,
17908:24, 17908:32,
17908:47, 17910:3,
17910:16, 17910:41,
17911:6, 17911:26,
17911:27, 17911:34,
17919:47, 17920:5,
17920:21, 17920:30,
17921:3, 17921:7,
17921:16, 17921:22,
17921:25, 17921:26,
17921:28, 17921:31,
17921:43, 17922:17,
17922:24, 17922:25,
17922:33, 17926:16,
17929:17, 17929:19,
17929:24, 17932:23,
17932:29, 17962:31,
17962:32, 17963:18,
17963:30, 17964:1,
17964:8, 17964:12,
17964:23, 17965:5,
17965:18, 17967:9,
17968:28, 17968:36
Patrick's [3] 17920:1, 17962:31,
17962:35
pattern [1] - 17928:44
Patterson [1] 17954:21
Paul [2] - 17907:30,
17907:33
pausing [1] 17878:11
pay [1] - 17923:40
payment [1] - 17896:6
payments [1] 17942:10
PB [1] - 17964:27
peaceful [1] - 17925:5
pen [1] - 17948:6
penis [9] - 17892:36,
17892:44, 17892:46,
17893:40, 17916:46,
17918:9, 17918:11,
17918:18, 17920:34
penny [1] - 17932:2
people [29] 17880:28, 17886:8,
17886:37, 17894:34,
17896:19, 17903:22,
17904:27, 17910:26,
17910:39, 17917:12,
17921:42, 17924:9,
17924:10, 17925:6,
17941:10, 17945:5,
17947:40, 17948:8,
17948:47, 17950:12,
17962:15, 17962:16,
17962:23, 17965:27,
17965:28, 17967:3,
17967:16, 17968:38,
17968:46
perfectly [1] - 17883:5
performed [2] 17915:25, 17915:26
performing [1] 17922:9
period [3] - 17937:7,
17937:15, 17948:36
periodic [1] 17962:23
periods [2] -
17940:12, 17962:16
permanent [1] 17934:33
perpetrated [1] 17952:11
persistent [2] 17923:32, 17926:11
person [25] 17876:26, 17876:27,
17876:29, 17886:47,
17887:5, 17887:12,
17888:42, 17888:43,
17895:4, 17930:26,
17939:18, 17939:19,
17943:10, 17943:13,
17946:22, 17947:36,
17949:32, 17952:6,
17955:5, 17958:37,
17958:39, 17958:43,
17959:2, 17961:31
person's [1] - 17889:1
personal [11] 17876:15, 17891:39,
17903:11, 17908:1,
17923:13, 17937:24,
17941:9, 17957:16,
17962:4, 17968:5,
17968:7
personally [1] 17945:11
perspiring [1] 17917:9
Peter [7] - 17873:39,
17898:35, 17907:32,
17910:38, 17911:19,
17911:20, 17959:44
PhDs [1] - 17933:5
phone [5] - 17882:24,
17887:46, 17888:5,
17888:11, 17942:21
Phone [1] - 17942:28
phoned [1] - 17945:11
phrase [3] - 17886:10,
17886:12, 17958:3
physical [5] 17905:34, 17916:3,
17932:45, 17939:2,
17966:19
physically [6] 17891:13, 17891:14,
17900:24, 17915:47,
17916:8, 17930:31
picked [1] - 17956:3
picture [1] - 17895:3
piece [1] - 17948:44
Pius [16] - 17900:30,
17901:34, 17901:36,
17901:37, 17901:46,
17907:23, 17908:44,
17910:8, 17915:39,
.05/09/2016 (C168)
17915:40, 17916:19,
17921:34, 17922:6,
17922:21, 17922:22,
17922:35
place [8] - 17874:9,
17888:17, 17888:20,
17894:5, 17910:46,
17931:10, 17957:46,
17960:46
placed [2] - 17892:44,
17893:40
places [2] - 17925:1,
17938:17
planned [1] 17886:22
play [3] - 17900:35,
17932:19, 17934:28
playground [4] 17899:8, 17917:21,
17929:23, 17931:35
playing [3] - 17886:24,
17908:1, 17908:23
pleaded [3] 17895:31, 17911:46,
17935:15
pleading [1] - 17935:6
pleased [1] - 17943:46
plunging [1] 17929:25
PNG [1] - 17938:10
point [9] - 17875:12,
17880:45, 17881:10,
17934:2, 17934:16,
17943:25, 17946:33,
17956:16, 17957:8
points [2] - 17945:14,
17959:40
police [26] - 17883:19,
17888:28, 17888:31,
17888:47, 17889:8,
17894:1, 17895:9,
17895:21, 17895:28,
17897:2, 17902:2,
17902:6, 17902:10,
17911:19, 17911:24,
17911:26, 17911:38,
17922:32, 17923:41,
17923:42, 17934:47,
17935:13, 17951:39,
17952:7, 17953:4,
17963:38
Police [3] - 17895:6,
17911:21, 17952:33
policeman [1] 17888:18
poof' [1] - 17929:20
poofs' [1] - 17898:42
poofter [1] - 17920:2
poofters [3] 17891:41, 17904:30,
17932:24
Pool [1] - 17892:29
pool [5] - 17892:30,
17892:32, 17892:33,
17892:39, 17909:33
popular [1] - 17891:29
porch [1] - 17893:34
pose [1] - 17967:43
position [17] 17885:31, 17885:33,
17909:16, 17937:44,
17938:19, 17938:46,
17938:47, 17939:10,
17939:15, 17939:18,
17939:21, 17939:45,
17939:47, 17945:41,
17945:46, 17955:7,
17965:25
positioned [1] 17929:47
positive [3] - 17891:8,
17897:15, 17927:47
possibilities [1] 17966:20
possibility [1] 17956:47
possible [3] 17883:33, 17942:12,
17960:19
possibly [5] - 17888:2,
17888:11, 17902:40,
17913:12, 17962:18
post [2] - 17924:37,
17924:42
post-traumatic [2] 17924:37, 17924:42
posts [1] - 17875:39
potential [2] 17896:32, 17912:30
potentially [1] 17896:29
power [1] - 17968:10
powerful [1] 17902:36
PP [3] - 17942:21,
17942:22, 17942:28
practising [1] 17890:21
prank [6] - 17886:9,
17886:15, 17886:19,
17886:38, 17888:15,
17900:35
pre [1] - 17895:23
pre-dated [1] 17895:23
precise [1] - 17884:8
precisely [6] 17881:28, 17882:36,
17884:44, 17947:11,
17960:46, 17966:1
C19
Transcript produced by DTI
premature [1] 17928:17
prepared [11] 17877:28, 17889:43,
17897:43, 17906:44,
17914:44, 17927:17,
17935:5, 17935:38,
17941:41, 17953:24,
17959:22
preparing [2] 17880:28, 17941:37
presbytery [3] 17888:6, 17888:8,
17952:27
prescribed [1] 17924:40
present [7] 17878:33, 17892:10,
17920:37, 17944:4,
17964:1, 17964:11,
17964:28
president [1] 17913:40
press [1] - 17951:27
pressure [1] - 17934:1
presume [2] 17918:11, 17945:2
presumed [1] 17899:37
pretty [5] - 17883:27,
17883:36, 17901:27,
17915:35, 17967:5
prevent [1] - 17900:2
prevented [2] 17900:13, 17933:15
previous [5] 17882:8, 17899:26,
17907:33, 17918:16,
17929:5
previously [7] 17874:8, 17891:5,
17893:10, 17899:41,
17905:22, 17950:47,
17951:1
pride [1] - 17902:25
priest [29] - 17874:29,
17874:37, 17874:41,
17874:46, 17875:6,
17875:13, 17875:40,
17878:8, 17882:24,
17885:34, 17885:38,
17907:13, 17907:30,
17907:31, 17915:19,
17920:37, 17920:40,
17920:43, 17920:45,
17921:1, 17923:23,
17925:36, 17926:3,
17926:4, 17942:22,
17942:31, 17942:35,
17943:22, 17943:45
priests [8] - 17876:10,
17883:7, 17883:14,
17884:19, 17914:1,
17915:21, 17927:44
primary [10] 17890:28, 17890:30,
17898:23, 17915:30,
17915:31, 17915:34,
17915:36, 17928:3,
17928:8, 17933:30
Primary [4] 17898:20, 17898:24,
17928:7, 17928:24
Principal [1] - 17943:7
principal [22] 17881:11, 17881:15,
17881:17, 17881:31,
17883:31, 17893:22,
17893:23, 17898:29,
17898:31, 17907:39,
17910:6, 17916:13,
17919:46, 17921:38,
17922:22, 17932:11,
17937:8, 17937:11,
17940:6, 17965:28,
17968:31, 17968:32
principally [1] 17953:41
prison [1] - 17895:40
privacy [1] - 17909:11
private [2] - 17894:28,
17909:30
problem [3] 17933:43, 17949:1,
17964:2
problems [3] 17893:13, 17894:33,
17924:22
proceeded [3] 17902:36, 17908:26,
17923:47
proceedings [2] 17904:46, 17927:14
process [8] 17895:11, 17895:29,
17924:5, 17929:27,
17934:2, 17934:10,
17949:31, 17960:42
produce [1] 17959:37
produced [1] 17877:29
professional [4] 17936:27, 17955:36,
17957:14, 17957:15
Professional [3] 17938:39, 17948:21,
17949:37
profoundly [1] 17897:15
program [1] - 17962:5
prominent [1] 17934:29
promised [2] 17963:45, 17965:4
prone [1] - 17924:47
proper [1] - 17967:17
properly [2] 17930:40, 17967:7
propose [1] 17926:38
prosecution [2] 17895:24, 17923:45
protect [1] - 17905:44
protection [2] 17911:14, 17954:22
protest [1] - 17900:35
protested [1] 17902:31
protocol [11] 17945:43, 17946:2,
17955:15, 17955:19,
17955:21, 17955:23,
17966:23, 17969:1,
17969:3, 17969:5,
17969:7
protocols [1] 17945:41
proud [1] - 17904:8
prove [3] - 17896:15,
17923:36, 17952:35
provide [2] 17885:45, 17941:10
provided [10] 17876:25, 17895:8,
17895:29, 17902:5,
17911:38, 17923:43,
17934:5, 17934:47,
17935:12, 17968:45
provides [1] 17934:14
providing [1] 17948:40
province [3] 17938:8, 17938:9,
17938:24
provinces [1] 17938:1
Provincial [40] 17937:34, 17937:37,
17937:41, 17938:4,
17938:20, 17938:23,
17938:27, 17939:4,
17939:7, 17939:11,
17940:26, 17941:44,
17941:45, 17943:22,
17943:23, 17943:47,
17944:20, 17948:21,
17950:44, 17951:7,
17951:33, 17957:8,
.05/09/2016 (C168)
17957:38, 17957:40,
17957:42, 17959:25,
17959:47, 17960:29,
17960:30, 17960:31,
17960:33, 17960:39,
17960:43, 17960:44,
17961:2, 17961:23,
17962:21, 17962:26,
17962:27, 17964:42
provocative [1] 17931:2
pseudonym [11] 17874:9, 17886:47,
17887:28, 17889:31,
17889:32, 17890:5,
17897:40, 17906:41,
17914:40, 17927:13,
17961:33
psychiatric [1] 17933:47
psychological [1] 17886:28
psychologist [3] 17878:8, 17884:31,
17960:20
Psychology [1] 17874:33
PTSD [1] - 17933:44
pubic [2] - 17908:27,
17916:42
Public [1] - 17873:20
public [2] - 17890:28,
17925:1
publicly [1] - 17910:39
publishing [1] 17949:1
pull [1] - 17920:30
pulled [4] - 17916:40,
17919:34, 17929:26,
17951:46
punch [1] - 17921:42
punched [7] 17899:38, 17910:13,
17921:8, 17921:16,
17921:23, 17921:32,
17922:24
punching [2] 17905:36, 17921:28
punished [1] 17902:32
punishment [3] 17902:21, 17902:35,
17905:35
purpose [2] 17919:10, 17963:15
purposes [3] 17877:17, 17887:28,
17906:40
pursuant [1] 17906:29
pursue [1] - 17896:31
pursuing [1] - 17912:2
push [3] - 17900:11,
17931:6, 17966:1
pushed [3] 17892:35, 17918:21,
17933:35
put [26] - 17899:1,
17899:11, 17899:12,
17899:23, 17903:21,
17905:41, 17908:14,
17908:26, 17910:35,
17916:34, 17917:1,
17920:6, 17920:33,
17921:45, 17929:28,
17929:41, 17929:45,
17940:47, 17942:42,
17951:32, 17955:35,
17956:26, 17958:42,
17961:42, 17967:2
putting [10] - 17880:7,
17899:6, 17899:16,
17900:1, 17908:3,
17919:42, 17921:44,
17922:30, 17934:24,
17934:44
puzzled [2] 17879:27, 17879:28
puzzling [2] 17878:37, 17880:19
pyjamas [2] 17919:29, 17919:31
Q
Qantas [3] - 17894:25,
17896:28
quadrangle [1] 17904:9
qualified [1] 17964:31
quarters [1] 17929:35
Queensland [4] 17938:9, 17940:28,
17940:32, 17954:34
questionable [1] 17944:12
questioning [1] 17917:38
questions [26] 17875:43, 17880:32,
17883:39, 17883:41,
17886:47, 17887:8,
17893:44, 17897:20,
17897:23, 17903:28,
17903:30, 17903:38,
17906:5, 17912:32,
17912:35, 17914:3,
17922:36, 17925:13,
C20
Transcript produced by DTI
17925:15, 17925:23,
17926:30, 17935:18,
17935:20, 17936:17,
17939:28, 17962:30
quick [1] - 17887:1
quicker [1] - 17952:22
quickly [3] - 17893:5,
17909:26, 17942:46
quiet [1] - 17934:27
quite [14] - 17904:8,
17923:32, 17931:6,
17931:38, 17933:36,
17946:7, 17946:27,
17948:10, 17960:37,
17964:36, 17965:27,
17965:41, 17966:7,
17966:8
quote [1] - 17909:37
R
radar [1] - 17911:28
radio [5] - 17891:28,
17891:30, 17891:32,
17894:25, 17894:30
rail [1] - 17894:27
Railways [1] 17890:18
raise [2] - 17910:14,
17943:23
raised [4] - 17888:15,
17956:39, 17961:8,
17961:31
raises [1] - 17956:41
ran [2] - 17918:25,
17932:8
random [1] - 17942:13
Randwick [1] 17936:43
rang [2] - 17883:25,
17902:4
rape [1] - 17911:29
raping [1] - 17918:18
rather [3] - 17950:11,
17960:1, 17961:17
Re [1] - 17959:36
re [1] - 17941:47
reach [1] - 17900:13
reached [1] 17896:32
reacted [1] - 17880:5
reaction [6] 17879:24, 17880:18,
17887:13, 17893:11,
17893:43, 17894:14
read [13] - 17889:47,
17895:34, 17898:4,
17906:15, 17907:4,
17915:9, 17927:29,
17935:8, 17942:17,
17943:44, 17952:14,
17953:27, 17959:39
reading [2] 17963:23, 17964:17
real [1] - 17934:19
realise [1] - 17894:32
realised [1] - 17900:2
really [16] - 17893:7,
17895:27, 17895:35,
17895:37, 17898:43,
17909:21, 17909:34,
17910:14, 17910:24,
17916:20, 17925:44,
17926:6, 17930:8,
17930:27, 17933:21,
17944:35
reared [1] - 17913:18
reason [13] 17878:26, 17882:39,
17892:25, 17904:3,
17913:5, 17917:46,
17928:14, 17929:4,
17933:22, 17940:31,
17950:17, 17955:2,
17965:44
reasonable [1] 17944:5
reasonably [1] 17922:38
reasons [11] 17881:40, 17899:46,
17923:13, 17926:42,
17946:25, 17946:30,
17946:45, 17956:22,
17968:8, 17968:34,
17968:35
reassurance [4] 17934:15, 17945:27,
17967:35, 17968:45
reassured [3] 17943:20, 17945:18,
17951:13
receive [9] - 17877:28,
17880:44, 17882:35,
17902:20, 17934:9,
17939:1, 17940:11,
17962:46, 17963:3
received [7] 17882:24, 17888:23,
17941:16, 17947:8,
17953:16, 17958:18,
17960:16
recently [4] 17896:39, 17912:2,
17925:6, 17941:37
recognise [2] 17959:19, 17966:27
recollection [15] 17881:3, 17882:3,
17886:20, 17886:21,
17936:16, 17945:4,
17945:8, 17950:25,
17952:2, 17955:12,
17960:8, 17960:18,
17960:19, 17961:4,
17962:12
recommend [1] 17947:3
recommendation [1] 17946:2
recorded [1] - 17956:4
recording [1] 17953:31
records [2] 17942:21, 17961:15
red [1] - 17921:11
redacted [1] 17888:39
REDACTED [12] 17880:1, 17880:5,
17880:24, 17887:12,
17902:30, 17911:20,
17913:47, 17922:46,
17923:2, 17923:7,
17923:15, 17923:16
REDACTED] [4] 17910:26, 17922:47,
17923:18, 17923:19
Redhead [1] 17913:42
redundancy [1] 17923:17
refamiliarise [2] 17887:2, 17887:27
refer [6] - 17890:6,
17898:42, 17905:22,
17926:4, 17955:2,
17964:45
reference [10] 17877:21, 17878:12,
17880:4, 17940:33,
17942:1, 17942:2,
17942:18, 17951:15,
17964:23, 17964:27
references [2] 17929:18, 17942:17
referred [6] - 17895:5,
17943:9, 17946:36,
17946:40, 17954:21,
17955:34
referring [4] 17877:46, 17901:14,
17955:47, 17960:25
reflect [2] - 17905:28,
17958:12
regard [1] - 17969:8
regarded [1] 17965:28
regarding [5] 17903:1, 17911:6,
.05/09/2016 (C168)
17940:11, 17954:17,
17965:20
regards [3] 17888:15, 17888:16,
17888:22
regime [3] - 17900:23,
17905:23, 17905:29
Registration [1] 17940:27
regular [3] - 17876:20,
17916:4, 17916:12
regularly [12] 17876:21, 17885:42,
17894:38, 17899:46,
17907:11, 17908:14,
17915:25, 17915:27,
17915:47, 17928:15,
17928:33, 17934:21
regulated [1] 17929:13
relate [1] - 17891:39
related [3] - 17881:42,
17893:11, 17934:2
relating [8] - 17878:7,
17894:42, 17895:32,
17911:46, 17923:21,
17944:19, 17963:3,
17963:17
relation [15] 17876:36, 17880:32,
17891:38, 17894:39,
17911:39, 17929:17,
17944:15, 17944:28,
17944:43, 17953:41,
17953:47, 17957:4,
17960:34, 17961:2,
17963:22
relationship [8] 17880:3, 17880:8,
17880:12, 17887:23,
17887:32, 17913:1,
17924:25, 17924:27
relationships [7] 17903:11, 17924:18,
17924:20, 17924:22,
17924:46, 17925:6,
17963:35
relatively [1] - 17891:1
relax [1] - 17925:7
relayed [3] - 17943:33,
17944:20, 17945:14
released [1] 17918:19
relevant [1] 17874:45
reliant [1] - 17934:4
relied [2] - 17933:2,
17933:16
relief [1] - 17911:16
religion [1] - 17903:22
religions [1] 17912:20
religious [5] 17883:7, 17883:15,
17919:7, 17928:40,
17955:27
reluctant [1] 17896:13
relying [1] - 17965:20
remained [4] 17893:30, 17894:20,
17894:29, 17950:32
remedial [1] 17967:15
remember [86] 17877:16, 17877:18,
17877:19, 17878:19,
17879:8, 17879:9,
17879:10, 17881:12,
17881:15, 17881:19,
17882:12, 17882:36,
17885:17, 17885:18,
17885:19, 17885:21,
17886:10, 17886:11,
17890:22, 17891:6,
17891:40, 17892:18,
17894:16, 17897:16,
17898:28, 17899:7,
17899:12, 17899:14,
17899:15, 17899:19,
17901:29, 17901:40,
17901:45, 17907:13,
17907:30, 17907:38,
17908:9, 17908:22,
17908:33, 17909:15,
17910:1, 17911:20,
17911:26, 17912:45,
17913:3, 17915:20,
17917:18, 17917:37,
17917:40, 17918:28,
17919:10, 17920:38,
17921:9, 17925:38,
17926:10, 17929:19,
17929:23, 17929:40,
17930:7, 17930:20,
17930:21, 17930:34,
17931:12, 17931:34,
17932:10, 17932:16,
17932:27, 17940:31,
17945:11, 17946:32,
17948:26, 17954:15,
17955:39, 17956:15,
17958:28, 17960:46,
17961:1, 17961:14,
17961:32, 17961:44,
17961:46, 17962:20,
17962:22, 17963:31,
17965:16, 17965:24
remembered [1] 17904:2
C21
Transcript produced by DTI
remind [2] - 17877:35,
17948:20
reminded [1] 17913:22
remote [1] - 17914:17
removed [1] 17892:41
renewal [3] 17962:15, 17962:16,
17962:23
renewal/sabbatical/
change [1] - 17962:4
renowned [1] 17899:6
repeated [1] 17904:27
rephrase [1] 17880:41
replaced [1] 17919:47
replied [3] - 17903:18,
17921:46, 17922:1
reply [2] - 17893:3,
17923:27
report [21] - 17877:21,
17877:27, 17877:41,
17877:45, 17878:2,
17878:13, 17879:47,
17880:11, 17880:44,
17881:6, 17881:18,
17881:21, 17908:6,
17909:42, 17911:22,
17922:32, 17923:24,
17939:3, 17941:16,
17946:9
reported [5] - 17946:6,
17953:12, 17958:25,
17958:28, 17959:3
reporting [5] 17894:1, 17939:6,
17942:38, 17943:33,
17944:33
reports [2] - 17877:44,
17882:8
represent [3] 17886:46, 17912:41,
17925:22
representative [1] 17945:40
reprimanded [1] 17904:21
reputation [1] 17913:33
requested [2] 17963:45, 17965:12
requested) [1] 17948:27
required [3] 17911:47, 17945:46,
17955:22
requires [2] - 17874:9,
17889:32
research [1] - 17895:2
residence [4] 17887:38, 17888:12,
17900:37, 17934:28
resist [1] - 17930:3
resistance [1] 17905:18
respect [1] - 17889:31
respected [2] 17897:13, 17913:47
respond [3] - 17939:3,
17944:42, 17945:26
responded [9] 17880:1, 17880:23,
17897:6, 17908:47,
17922:29, 17932:22,
17948:13, 17964:36,
17968:38
responding [1] 17945:31
response [14] 17896:40, 17896:45,
17921:45, 17932:36,
17934:34, 17946:17,
17950:30, 17950:31,
17951:19, 17951:21,
17951:23, 17956:23,
17968:38, 17968:39
RESPONSES [1] 17873:16
responsibility [7] 17901:6, 17938:5,
17939:12, 17944:23,
17954:37, 17957:4,
17967:44
responsible [2] 17938:11, 17969:8
rest [1] - 17938:13
restless [1] - 17896:28
restricted [1] 17895:42
restructuring [1] 17937:47
result [12] - 17890:19,
17896:40, 17899:47,
17901:44, 17903:8,
17910:8, 17910:20,
17911:38, 17911:45,
17912:9, 17912:20,
17913:10
resulted [1] 17924:22
retired [6] - 17911:7,
17933:37, 17939:25,
17957:37, 17957:40,
17967:13
retiring [1] - 17875:39
retracted [1] -
17881:16
retreat [1] - 17919:7
return [3] - 17888:12,
17900:21, 17900:41
returned [7] 17876:11, 17888:8,
17902:22, 17902:29,
17913:20, 17925:4,
17933:34
returning [2] 17900:33, 17901:7
reunions [1] 17934:41
review [5] - 17876:35,
17876:37, 17876:45,
17877:17, 17880:28
reviewers [1] 17877:28
revision [2] 17926:39, 17926:44
revolved [1] 17927:46
revulsion [1] 17899:33
RH [2] - 17942:36,
17943:22
Richard [1] - 17921:15
ride [1] - 17933:24
right-hand [1] 17963:11
rimmed [1] - 17920:39
ring [3] - 17883:30,
17952:38, 17952:45
risk [3] - 17911:9,
17967:4, 17967:43
Rites [4] - 17894:47,
17895:5, 17911:33,
17911:36
rites [2] - 17882:32,
17882:33
ritual [1] - 17882:28
Riverview [7] 17958:33, 17959:4,
17960:17, 17960:25,
17960:26, 17961:9,
17961:19
Riverview" [1] 17954:9
road [1] - 17934:24
robe [1] - 17922:11
robed [1] - 17925:27
Robert [1] - 17873:40
rod [1] - 17902:24
role [12] - 17875:28,
17882:22, 17937:23,
17937:24, 17938:30,
17941:11, 17955:19,
17960:28, 17967:12,
17967:19, 17968:1,
17968:2
.05/09/2016 (C168)
roles [1] - 17894:29
roll [1] - 17918:31
Rome [1] - 17876:7
Romuald [77] 17891:7, 17891:10,
17891:14, 17891:18,
17891:20, 17891:25,
17891:28, 17891:32,
17892:1, 17892:5,
17892:8, 17892:10,
17892:16, 17892:25,
17892:29, 17892:34,
17892:42, 17892:45,
17892:47, 17893:7,
17893:9, 17893:14,
17893:15, 17893:17,
17893:39, 17893:46,
17894:3, 17894:20,
17895:9, 17895:22,
17895:30, 17895:40,
17895:46, 17896:1,
17898:33, 17898:40,
17899:2, 17900:39,
17901:9, 17901:39,
17903:1, 17907:43,
17909:14, 17909:23,
17909:29, 17910:3,
17910:16, 17910:27,
17910:30, 17910:31,
17910:33, 17910:41,
17911:7, 17911:26,
17911:27, 17911:34,
17911:37, 17911:39,
17911:42, 17911:43,
17911:44, 17930:30,
17930:32, 17930:37,
17930:41, 17930:45,
17931:7, 17931:9,
17931:23, 17931:26,
17931:31, 17932:9,
17932:24, 17934:38,
17935:1
Romuald' [1] 17891:36
Romuald's [4] 17893:36, 17895:1,
17895:3, 17895:13
room [9] - 17892:41,
17893:5, 17909:30,
17917:24, 17917:27,
17919:15, 17919:36,
17919:37, 17930:14
Room [1] - 17873:29
rooms [6] - 17892:33,
17892:39, 17909:9,
17909:33, 17919:17,
17919:19
row [1] - 17949:11
Royal [6] - 17878:12,
17905:30, 17927:17,
17927:30, 17955:22,
17959:37
ROYAL [1] - 17873:15
rub [1] - 17899:22
rubbed [3] - 17918:8,
17961:38, 17961:43
rubbing [1] - 17920:8
rugby [1] - 17891:22
rule [1] - 17966:16
rules [1] - 17895:42
rumour [1] - 17891:37
rumours [6] 17891:35, 17891:37,
17891:39, 17898:39,
17916:18, 17958:2
run [5] - 17894:26,
17927:45, 17928:9,
17930:26, 17934:13
rung [1] - 17883:27
running [1] - 17928:30
rushing [1] - 17918:20
Ryan [22] - 17875:44,
17875:47, 17876:16,
17876:24, 17876:36,
17877:22, 17877:43,
17878:7, 17878:9,
17878:29, 17878:43,
17879:15, 17879:18,
17879:21, 17879:31,
17880:1, 17880:5,
17880:23, 17887:14,
17887:20, 17887:32,
17888:44
Ryan's [1] - 17878:34
S
Sacred [9] - 17920:47,
17922:12, 17925:28,
17925:31, 17928:7,
17928:11, 17928:19,
17928:22, 17928:24
sacrificed [1] 17932:43
sacristy [2] 17922:11, 17925:27
sad [1] - 17896:45
sadistic [1] - 17899:45
safe [1] - 17934:6
Salle [4] - 17890:32,
17890:35, 17890:37,
17890:40
sat [7] - 17894:6,
17900:3, 17918:31,
17921:7, 17921:41,
17930:40, 17961:40
satisfied [1] 17911:10
satisfy [1] - 17968:45
Saturday [1] -
C22
Transcript produced by DTI
17893:20
saved [1] - 17903:23
saw [18] - 17878:29,
17886:30, 17899:9,
17899:10, 17899:15,
17900:14, 17900:16,
17904:9, 17919:35,
17921:14, 17923:21,
17928:14, 17930:9,
17934:44, 17935:3,
17944:34, 17954:20,
17955:13
scared [6] - 17899:31,
17899:35, 17905:39,
17905:42, 17908:4,
17916:30
scheduled [2] 17876:21, 17926:41
schizophrenia [1] 17942:40
schizophrenic [1] 17944:6
School [9] - 17881:12,
17890:32, 17890:46,
17898:20, 17898:24,
17901:36, 17928:8,
17928:24, 17937:12
school [141] 17881:31, 17883:27,
17883:30, 17890:28,
17890:30, 17890:33,
17890:40, 17890:47,
17891:1, 17891:19,
17891:23, 17891:28,
17892:15, 17892:30,
17893:23, 17893:47,
17894:20, 17894:22,
17894:24, 17895:46,
17898:19, 17898:21,
17898:23, 17898:27,
17898:28, 17898:40,
17899:21, 17900:23,
17900:25, 17900:28,
17900:37, 17900:38,
17900:42, 17900:46,
17901:11, 17901:31,
17901:35, 17901:36,
17901:37, 17902:15,
17902:16, 17902:45,
17903:4, 17903:8,
17903:9, 17904:4,
17904:5, 17904:6,
17904:7, 17904:8,
17904:10, 17904:13,
17904:20, 17905:5,
17905:10, 17905:19,
17907:17, 17907:18,
17907:19, 17907:36,
17907:37, 17907:39,
17907:42, 17908:4,
17908:20, 17908:21,
17908:43, 17908:45,
17909:8, 17909:46,
17910:6, 17910:9,
17910:13, 17913:8,
17915:30, 17915:31,
17915:34, 17915:36,
17915:39, 17915:40,
17915:41, 17915:42,
17916:12, 17918:35,
17920:4, 17921:35,
17921:37, 17921:38,
17922:5, 17922:15,
17922:25, 17922:38,
17922:42, 17922:43,
17922:45, 17924:7,
17924:13, 17925:31,
17927:45, 17928:3,
17928:5, 17928:38,
17929:1, 17930:33,
17930:41, 17931:42,
17932:2, 17932:7,
17932:20, 17932:33,
17932:44, 17933:2,
17933:7, 17933:13,
17933:30, 17934:37,
17934:38, 17939:45,
17940:3, 17943:5,
17953:36, 17953:37,
17953:38, 17954:9,
17954:31, 17954:36,
17954:42, 17964:1,
17964:11, 17964:31,
17967:10, 17967:42,
17968:4, 17968:10
school" [1] - 17964:28
schooling [2] 17902:14, 17932:19
schools [12] 17894:9, 17900:27,
17900:30, 17903:15,
17903:24, 17909:45,
17910:8, 17913:10,
17928:9, 17936:40,
17954:34, 17968:2
science [10] 17891:18, 17891:31,
17891:32, 17892:15,
17892:16, 17892:23,
17892:27, 17893:15,
17930:29, 17939:46
scoring [1] - 17908:24
Scott [1] - 17926:42
screamed [1] 17918:19
screen [5] - 17877:23,
17877:25, 17940:18,
17940:22, 17953:18
screens [1] - 17914:16
scroll [4] - 17940:22,
17940:46, 17941:31,
17943:37
scrolling [1] 17953:19
Sean [1] - 17923:26
searching [1] 17923:25
seat [2] - 17900:5,
17920:5
seated [2] - 17916:28,
17931:8
seats [1] - 17900:6
second [13] 17890:45, 17895:18,
17899:3, 17903:2,
17909:43, 17911:44,
17911:46, 17921:6,
17929:15, 17930:42,
17951:44, 17952:8,
17960:2
secondly [1] 17958:37
seconds [1] 17931:15
secretary [1] 17936:40
section [3] 17945:16, 17951:12,
17963:23
see [42] - 17877:27,
17878:39, 17884:25,
17885:29, 17886:30,
17893:23, 17900:44,
17900:46, 17902:19,
17909:20, 17910:40,
17914:19, 17914:23,
17918:35, 17919:29,
17921:38, 17925:9,
17932:11, 17940:25,
17940:36, 17941:19,
17941:32, 17942:1,
17942:17, 17946:22,
17946:25, 17947:2,
17948:39, 17948:47,
17951:15, 17952:9,
17952:20, 17952:26,
17952:43, 17953:8,
17959:35, 17959:38,
17964:35, 17964:40,
17967:31, 17968:30
seeing [3] - 17896:40,
17911:39, 17952:3
seek [3] - 17886:24,
17911:13, 17924:45
Seekers [1] 17891:40
seeking [2] - 17896:6,
17940:27
seem [10] - 17886:34,
17893:42, 17894:15,
.05/09/2016 (C168)
17896:42, 17897:24,
17901:17, 17918:3,
17921:26, 17923:34,
17931:40
self [3] - 17896:14,
17896:26, 17965:40
self-confidence [1] 17965:40
self-instruction [1] 17896:26
selfless [1] - 17934:14
semen [1] - 17917:39
seminary [1] 17876:4
send [4] - 17903:15,
17903:19, 17903:24,
17910:22
senior [3] - 17901:5,
17901:36, 17938:24
Senior [1] - 17902:4
sense [8] - 17876:21,
17880:16, 17950:10,
17951:6, 17951:21,
17955:15, 17965:25,
17966:3
sent [9] - 17878:43,
17878:46, 17878:47,
17879:4, 17879:15,
17879:21, 17916:24,
17923:28, 17932:34
sentence [2] 17895:41, 17895:43
sentenced [1] 17895:40
sentencing [2] 17895:35, 17895:42
separate [2] 17895:14, 17943:13
September [3] 17873:32, 17927:18,
17963:12
SEPTEMBER [1] 17969:28
serious [6] 17880:18, 17880:19,
17911:28, 17924:46,
17966:7, 17966:8
seriously [2] 17880:19, 17882:29
served [5] - 17875:20,
17875:32, 17875:39,
17926:6, 17938:19
service [2] - 17883:21,
17939:25
Services [1] 17934:10
serving [2] 17928:23, 17962:27
set [3] - 17900:40,
17936:26, 17949:36
setting [1] - 17876:45
settle [1] - 17896:31
settling [1] - 17916:16
seven [2] - 17907:10,
17927:39
several [3] - 17929:2,
17933:5, 17935:6
sex [4] - 17909:35,
17920:45, 17923:22,
17923:23
sexual [38] 17878:37, 17880:35,
17891:38, 17893:13,
17893:17, 17894:43,
17896:12, 17896:41,
17900:2, 17900:28,
17901:39, 17910:2,
17910:14, 17910:42,
17910:46, 17912:5,
17918:2, 17924:7,
17924:20, 17924:47,
17929:16, 17931:30,
17931:43, 17932:45,
17934:35, 17934:45,
17939:2, 17956:16,
17956:19, 17956:24,
17956:39, 17957:21,
17957:27, 17957:29,
17963:28, 17966:11,
17966:37, 17966:41
SEXUAL [1] 17873:16
sexually [9] - 17900:8,
17910:27, 17917:44,
17918:41, 17930:34,
17932:29, 17955:38,
17957:20, 17965:38
Seyesner [3] 17877:12, 17878:11,
17878:20
Seysener [2] 17876:38, 17877:1
shame [1] - 17917:10
share [1] - 17928:33
shared [1] - 17919:17
shattered [2] 17896:3, 17932:41
shed [1] - 17891:46
sheds [1] - 17920:27
shelf' [1] - 17918:47
shift [2] - 17933:21,
17933:24
shiftwork [1] 17923:12
shining [1] - 17913:36
shirt [3] - 17899:10,
17929:24, 17929:25
shirts [1] - 17899:6
shock [2] - 17933:8,
17934:33
C23
Transcript produced by DTI
shocked [10] 17879:27, 17879:29,
17892:37, 17893:23,
17893:42, 17894:7,
17901:17, 17908:37,
17917:10, 17930:25
shook [1] - 17895:27
short [1] - 17893:33
Shortland [1] 17908:20
shortly [6] - 17892:27,
17892:42, 17900:38,
17903:26, 17914:16,
17917:4
shorts [3] - 17929:26,
17929:41, 17929:45
shoulder [1] - 17920:7
shoulders [1] 17942:43
show [1] - 17877:21
showed [2] 17958:23, 17965:38
shower [5] 17891:46, 17891:47,
17909:10, 17919:20,
17919:22
showering [1] 17933:24
showers [6] 17891:45, 17892:2,
17893:11, 17911:40,
17919:18, 17919:22
showing [1] - 17904:7
shown [2] - 17901:5,
17949:10
shut [1] - 17917:27
siblings [2] 17898:19, 17927:39
sick [4] - 17916:30,
17917:47, 17932:47,
17961:38
side [5] - 17892:34,
17916:40, 17918:42,
17934:24, 17958:42
siege [1] - 17929:12
sigh [1] - 17911:16
sign [1] - 17886:21
signed [1] - 17895:8
significance [1] 17905:28
significant [2] 17896:11, 17968:43
signs [3] - 17965:38,
17966:28, 17966:33
similar [6] - 17943:18,
17944:1, 17950:4,
17950:22, 17950:37,
17958:45
Simms [2] - 17907:30,
17907:33
simple [1] - 17934:6
simply [3] - 17941:22,
17958:2, 17968:37
singing [1] - 17891:40
single [1] - 17917:20
Singleton [1] 17892:4
sins [1] - 17920:41
sister [2] - 17915:12
Sister [1] - 17964:30
sisters [8] - 17883:4,
17886:24, 17890:16,
17898:8, 17907:10,
17907:16, 17928:12,
17928:15
Sisters [2] - 17928:9,
17928:45
sit [2] - 17916:39,
17921:43
sitting [5] - 17899:21,
17905:45, 17930:1,
17932:46, 17933:15
situation [14] 17894:12, 17909:36,
17910:7, 17913:4,
17913:6, 17913:9,
17913:14, 17913:21,
17930:9, 17959:5,
17965:30, 17967:6,
17967:33, 17968:25
situations [2] 17896:24, 17967:31
six [6] - 17902:23,
17902:36, 17905:15,
17921:19, 17933:1,
17938:36
sixth [2] - 17890:35,
17890:37
skimpies [1] 17909:12
slanderous [1] 17943:6
slapped [1] 17899:38
sleep [1] - 17933:23
slide [2] - 17920:5,
17922:39
slight [1] - 17931:7
small [3] - 17878:5,
17891:1, 17967:34
smallest [2] - 17916:4,
17929:4
smile [1] - 17909:24
smiling [1] - 17891:10
smug [1] - 17930:7
social [1] - 17927:46
socialise [1] 17896:13
socialised [1] 17933:39
socks [1] - 17918:43
sole [1] - 17950:8
solitary [1] - 17933:38
someone [16] 17881:17, 17892:8,
17897:14, 17903:19,
17910:13, 17919:28,
17931:39, 17931:42,
17934:22, 17940:33,
17950:9, 17956:34,
17960:42, 17962:17,
17963:4, 17966:28
sometime [1] 17930:22
sometimes [8] 17902:15, 17917:27,
17926:11, 17934:12,
17946:16, 17947:1,
17963:35
somewhat [1] 17891:12
somewhere [2] 17945:1, 17958:3
son [3] - 17881:7,
17884:35, 17913:27
song [1] - 17891:40
sons [2] - 17913:18,
17924:25
soon [3] - 17922:45,
17924:4, 17933:7
sorry [24] - 17875:1,
17878:29, 17880:19,
17882:46, 17884:8,
17885:17, 17885:36,
17894:11, 17901:20,
17903:22, 17936:1,
17939:42, 17940:44,
17942:26, 17942:33,
17945:37, 17946:27,
17952:17, 17952:47,
17955:41, 17955:47,
17959:8, 17959:28
sort [5] - 17884:45,
17887:9, 17918:42,
17954:20, 17967:14
sorts [1] - 17965:40
sought [1] - 17897:6
sounds [2] 17886:40, 17934:28
South [1] - 17890:46
space [1] - 17957:16
speaking [8] 17877:16, 17877:18,
17883:45, 17884:2,
17901:40, 17931:13,
17947:27, 17957:44
special [3] - 17917:31,
17918:10, 17945:41
Special [1] - 17941:47
specific [7] -
.05/09/2016 (C168)
17879:28, 17930:34,
17932:28, 17939:14,
17957:22, 17960:18,
17963:29
specifically [7] 17883:34, 17883:35,
17950:43, 17958:26,
17965:11, 17969:5,
17969:7
specifics [1] 17945:10
specify [1] - 17966:15
Speedos [1] 17909:12
speeds [1] - 17933:25
spell [1] - 17934:31
spent [2] - 17924:38,
17929:35
spirits [1] - 17929:9
spiritual [2] 17912:19, 17937:25
spoken [5] 17888:27, 17893:46,
17926:17, 17933:38,
17934:37
sport [3] - 17908:21,
17909:8, 17922:40
spread [1] - 17886:40
St [43] - 17890:25,
17890:27, 17890:45,
17890:46, 17891:12,
17893:22, 17895:4,
17898:13, 17898:15,
17898:20, 17898:21,
17898:22, 17898:24,
17900:30, 17901:34,
17901:35, 17901:36,
17901:37, 17901:46,
17907:12, 17907:23,
17907:29, 17908:44,
17910:8, 17915:18,
17915:19, 17915:31,
17915:32, 17915:39,
17915:40, 17916:19,
17921:34, 17922:6,
17922:12, 17922:21,
17922:22, 17922:35,
17925:29, 17925:30,
17925:33, 17928:4,
17959:44
Stacey [1] - 17873:47
staff [17] - 17938:10,
17939:39, 17939:41,
17939:44, 17941:6,
17941:20, 17953:32,
17953:36, 17953:41,
17954:16, 17955:39,
17955:45, 17956:12,
17956:23, 17957:45,
17957:47, 17968:6
stage [14] - 17904:19,
17923:46, 17931:7,
17945:26, 17947:11,
17949:31, 17949:34,
17950:44, 17956:47,
17957:2, 17957:9,
17958:1, 17966:27,
17968:30
stand [5] - 17892:42,
17899:36, 17904:15,
17905:39, 17942:5
standard [1] 17915:36
Standards [3] 17938:39, 17948:22,
17949:37
standing [5] 17892:1, 17899:8,
17899:39, 17916:33,
17918:41
star [1] - 17913:37
start [3] - 17875:43,
17890:2, 17920:6
started [33] 17890:27, 17890:35,
17890:45, 17891:6,
17891:28, 17894:24,
17898:27, 17898:29,
17899:22, 17901:4,
17905:18, 17907:36,
17907:37, 17915:30,
17915:39, 17916:22,
17918:15, 17919:29,
17921:7, 17921:41,
17922:2, 17922:20,
17922:39, 17923:17,
17924:14, 17925:39,
17928:3, 17928:7,
17928:23, 17928:38,
17930:46, 17932:42,
17932:46
starting [1] - 17907:31
starts [1] - 17940:36
state [5] - 17874:22,
17889:40, 17929:12,
17934:33, 17935:34
State [3] - 17894:27,
17940:29, 17940:30
statement [43] 17878:12, 17889:43,
17895:8, 17895:34,
17897:43, 17897:47,
17898:5, 17902:5,
17905:3, 17905:27,
17906:16, 17906:44,
17911:39, 17914:44,
17915:1, 17915:5,
17915:9, 17923:43,
17925:23, 17925:26,
17927:17, 17927:21,
C24
Transcript produced by DTI
17934:47, 17935:8,
17935:39, 17935:42,
17935:44, 17936:13,
17936:23, 17936:26,
17940:10, 17941:37,
17942:22, 17943:17,
17951:39, 17952:6,
17953:4, 17955:32,
17955:44, 17956:3,
17957:33, 17965:47,
17968:22
STATEMENT [6] 17890:11, 17898:2,
17907:7, 17915:3,
17927:23, 17936:9
statements [1] 17935:12
stationery [1] 17917:25
stay [2] - 17883:10,
17920:14
stayed [6] - 17875:16,
17875:28, 17894:5,
17937:3, 17937:44,
17938:35
staying [1] - 17932:20
steel [1] - 17933:21
step [6] - 17878:41,
17933:12, 17945:30,
17946:10, 17955:21,
17955:41
Stephen [1] 17873:46
stepping [1] - 17908:1
steps [2] - 17900:2,
17945:22
Stevenson [2] 17916:24, 17916:25
still [15] - 17883:20,
17890:5, 17892:28,
17892:33, 17893:34,
17896:11, 17912:15,
17924:45, 17929:5,
17929:40, 17958:38,
17962:21, 17967:20,
17967:21
stone [2] - 17879:38,
17880:22
stones [1] - 17878:34
stood [4] - 17908:30,
17909:19, 17909:23,
17921:11
stool [2] - 17930:2,
17930:3
stop [3] - 17882:46,
17895:47, 17899:47
stopped [3] 17900:40, 17930:6,
17962:27
stopping [1] -
17878:19
stories [3] - 17895:36,
17912:4, 17934:45
story [7] - 17893:43,
17906:8, 17914:10,
17923:33, 17926:33,
17935:22, 17942:6
straight [1] - 17966:22
straightaway [2] 17922:36, 17929:42
strange [2] 17909:16, 17949:22
strangling [1] 17905:36
straps [1] - 17916:2
Street [1] - 17873:28
stress [3] - 17924:38,
17924:42, 17925:7
stressed [2] 17924:16, 17933:15
Strike [1] - 17935:13
strike [1] - 17880:17
stroke [1] - 17929:41
strong [3] - 17880:8,
17929:47, 17965:25
stronger [1] - 17931:8
strongly [1] - 17880:7
struck [2] - 17878:35,
17880:22
struggle [3] 17912:15, 17924:41,
17931:10
struggled [3] 17896:33, 17930:10,
17930:16
struggling [1] 17929:46
student [14] 17882:15, 17898:25,
17898:38, 17899:10,
17899:14, 17913:22,
17918:40, 17929:43,
17932:28, 17958:46,
17959:45, 17961:37,
17962:35
students [28] 17881:24, 17881:33,
17883:28, 17891:1,
17891:35, 17892:18,
17892:24, 17892:30,
17898:46, 17899:20,
17899:27, 17899:46,
17901:12, 17905:33,
17908:11, 17908:35,
17919:6, 17929:4,
17931:17, 17943:5,
17943:21, 17945:20,
17951:14, 17955:38,
17957:21, 17958:12,
17964:43, 17968:5
studied [2] - 17876:7,
17913:37
studies [1] - 17894:39
Study [1] - 17873:20
study [2] - 17933:6,
17967:33
studying [2] 17922:40, 17936:43
stuff [1] - 17920:43
stunned [1] 17920:10
stutter [1] - 17924:13
subject [11] 17877:43, 17895:18,
17929:33, 17933:18,
17944:5, 17946:14,
17951:4, 17951:18,
17951:21, 17959:36,
17969:1
subjects [1] 17928:41
subscription [1] 17934:43
subsequent [2] 17951:34, 17964:10
substance [1] 17924:22
substances [1] 17923:4
substantiated [2] 17945:26, 17954:38
suburb [4] - 17907:23,
17907:28, 17928:6,
17928:8
succeeding [1] 17968:6
successful [2] 17900:6, 17912:29
suddenly [1] 17909:19
sued [1] - 17952:36
suffer [7] - 17896:20,
17909:41, 17910:43,
17924:36, 17924:46,
17963:41, 17965:12
suffered [7] - 17897:5,
17903:6, 17913:5,
17924:7, 17963:41,
17965:13, 17966:28
suffering [2] 17923:5, 17934:26
suggest [2] 17903:42, 17953:3
suggested [2] 17909:24, 17922:32
suggestion [6] 17946:19, 17950:19,
17951:26, 17955:37,
17957:19, 17961:9
suggests [2] -
.05/09/2016 (C168)
17880:11, 17940:41
suicidal [1] - 17897:5
suicide [5] - 17888:23,
17910:25, 17933:46,
17934:1, 17934:20
summary [2] 17941:12, 17941:14
summer [2] 17929:38, 17929:40
summoned [1] 17879:10
Sunday [1] - 17898:12
Superior [5] 17937:18, 17937:23,
17937:24, 17938:30,
17938:33
superior [1] 17952:45
superiors [2] 17895:45, 17897:7
supervised [2] 17967:7, 17967:22
supervising [1] 17969:9
supervision [1] 17967:17
supervisors [1] 17896:33
supplies [1] 17918:39
supplying [1] 17938:10
support [7] 17876:26, 17876:27,
17876:28, 17895:29,
17934:5, 17937:26,
17963:43
suppose [2] 17878:38, 17879:28
supposed [1] 17932:43
surely [1] - 17956:39
Surf [1] - 17880:47
surname [1] 17963:32
surprise [1] 17964:37
surprised [7] 17882:4, 17882:7,
17901:17, 17921:26,
17923:34, 17966:45,
17967:14
survivor [1] 17906:15
survivors [2] 17874:6, 17895:36
suspended [1] 17921:28
suspicions [4] 17880:34, 17881:42,
17881:45, 17882:1
suspicious [2] 17880:9, 17893:16
swam [1] - 17892:34
swearing [2] 17920:42, 17931:35
sweat [1] - 17932:47
swimmers [1] 17892:36
swimming [8] 17891:22, 17892:31,
17892:34, 17892:41,
17893:40, 17909:8,
17909:10, 17909:38
Swimming [1] 17892:29
swollen [2] 17902:26, 17902:37
sworn [4] - 17874:18,
17889:36, 17914:27,
17935:30
Sydney [4] 17890:26, 17890:42,
17894:27, 17936:43
T
tab [10] - 17877:22,
17940:15, 17941:30,
17951:37, 17953:17,
17953:22, 17959:16,
17959:18, 17959:33,
17963:7
tabs [1] - 17959:17
tactile [2] - 17955:36,
17957:13
talks [1] - 17877:45
tall [3] - 17919:37,
17930:31, 17931:7
Taree [4] - 17876:27,
17876:31, 17882:41,
17883:25
Task [1] - 17911:21
taught [6] - 17891:19,
17907:45, 17919:47,
17928:40, 17936:39,
17936:43
tea [3] - 17894:5,
17894:18, 17906:17
teach [2] - 17912:7,
17940:34
Teacher [1] 17940:27
teacher [28] - 17891:5,
17891:7, 17891:8,
17891:15, 17897:13,
17899:2, 17899:19,
17902:29, 17908:8,
17909:1, 17912:7,
17913:20, 17916:12,
C25
Transcript produced by DTI
17916:24, 17917:25,
17918:39, 17919:39,
17921:14, 17929:19,
17929:32, 17929:43,
17930:29, 17940:7,
17940:32, 17940:34,
17953:32, 17953:34,
17967:42
teachers [25] 17891:2, 17891:9,
17891:12, 17898:31,
17898:39, 17898:41,
17898:43, 17898:47,
17901:22, 17905:37,
17907:42, 17907:47,
17915:46, 17916:19,
17928:41, 17929:2,
17929:3, 17929:8,
17932:26, 17933:14,
17939:41, 17939:44,
17965:26, 17967:32,
17967:34
teaching [8] 17910:17, 17912:25,
17929:10, 17930:38,
17937:3, 17939:38,
17967:14, 17967:20
tears [1] - 17925:1
tech [1] - 17933:13
technically [1] 17967:13
technology [1] 17894:30
teeth [1] - 17920:40
temerity [1] 17904:14
tender [7] - 17877:22,
17897:47, 17915:1,
17927:21, 17935:42,
17951:38, 17953:17
tents [1] - 17892:6
Teralba [1] - 17927:37
Terence [2] 17898:33, 17907:44
term [7] - 17898:41,
17898:42, 17908:22,
17909:4, 17921:6,
17951:33
terms [8] - 17931:25,
17942:12, 17944:40,
17944:42, 17945:30,
17965:36, 17965:39,
17969:8
terrible [1] - 17934:26
terribly [3] - 17880:17,
17880:19, 17932:29
terrified [3] 17902:15, 17908:37,
17931:5
terror [3] - 17899:30,
17899:32, 17903:9
Terry [1] - 17964:30
text [1] - 17964:15
TH [1] - 17964:28
thanked [1] 17910:47
that" [1] - 17879:43
therapy [1] - 17963:33
thereabouts [1] 17878:42
they've [2] - 17968:13,
17968:15
thigh [3] - 17920:8,
17921:22, 17961:43
thinking [3] 17908:36, 17925:46,
17944:40
third [8] - 17890:31,
17891:4, 17898:6,
17899:18, 17907:5,
17929:31, 17930:13,
17951:16
Thirteen [2] - 17937:5,
17937:7
thirty [1] - 17940:39
three [21] - 17895:15,
17898:41, 17898:47,
17904:37, 17905:15,
17908:2, 17913:25,
17913:26, 17916:22,
17917:16, 17919:12,
17923:31, 17924:25,
17926:40, 17929:35,
17930:23, 17933:32,
17935:12, 17954:11,
17960:30, 17962:15
three-quarters [1] 17929:35
threw [1] - 17932:7
throughout [1] 17922:42
throw [1] - 17932:2
throwing [2] 17879:39, 17880:22
thumped [2] 17919:34, 17921:10
tie [1] - 17905:36
Tighes [1] - 17928:6
tight [4] - 17899:28,
17900:9, 17905:45,
17916:45
timing [1] - 17877:36
tin [1] - 17891:46
TO [2] - 17873:16,
17969:27
today [3] - 17897:11,
17925:28, 17926:43
together [4] 17876:10, 17878:32,
17931:41, 17941:3
Tom [2] - 17922:21,
17923:21
tomorrow [1] 17926:43
tomorrow' [1] 17934:25
took [19] - 17877:8,
17893:3, 17897:16,
17901:35, 17905:32,
17906:16, 17910:46,
17918:17, 17921:18,
17922:3, 17923:16,
17928:32, 17929:8,
17938:30, 17955:35,
17960:39, 17960:46,
17966:11, 17967:34
top [15] - 17877:37,
17877:38, 17899:24,
17909:42, 17916:41,
17919:34, 17928:39,
17933:8, 17940:26,
17941:36, 17945:15,
17959:40, 17961:43,
17963:11, 17963:21
Toronto [1] - 17928:4
torso [1] - 17899:23
tossing [1] - 17878:34
totally [3] - 17896:9,
17943:12, 17962:3
touch [6] - 17920:7,
17921:8, 17923:26,
17929:43, 17931:1,
17959:12
touched [9] 17893:39, 17899:5,
17899:33, 17930:47,
17931:2, 17942:43,
17943:11, 17953:6,
17961:39
touching [30] 17892:12, 17899:38,
17920:8, 17921:27,
17922:25, 17931:5,
17945:32, 17953:11,
17955:34, 17955:45,
17955:46, 17956:5,
17956:6, 17956:8,
17956:14, 17956:16,
17956:20, 17956:27,
17956:33, 17956:34,
17956:35, 17956:38,
17956:46, 17957:13,
17957:17, 17957:27,
17957:29, 17958:11,
17958:14, 17961:11
touching" [1] 17955:40
touchy [1] - 17898:47
touchy-feely [1] 17898:47
.05/09/2016 (C168)
Towards [1] 17945:43
towards [9] 17893:18, 17894:40,
17899:24, 17909:8,
17912:6, 17913:12,
17921:6, 17932:1,
17964:15
towel [2] - 17909:13,
17909:19
track [1] - 17876:24
tradition [4] 17905:17, 17905:19,
17907:26, 17910:21
tragic [1] - 17965:39
trained [1] - 17878:8
training [5] 17892:31, 17892:32,
17893:40, 17940:32,
17940:34
trauma [1] - 17886:22
traumatic [2] 17924:37, 17924:42
treated [1] - 17955:9
treatment [2] 17924:41, 17934:32
trial [7] - 17895:19,
17895:25, 17895:27,
17895:31, 17911:43,
17911:45, 17911:46
trials [3] - 17895:14,
17895:15, 17911:43
tried [4] - 17900:1,
17900:4, 17902:26,
17931:5
trouble [2] - 17916:20,
17924:19
trousers [2] - 17931:4,
17942:44
Troy [1] - 17889:13
truant [1] - 17902:15
truants [1] - 17902:19
true [3] - 17910:28,
17935:44, 17936:6
truly [2] - 17897:11,
17935:10
trust [1] - 17903:25
try [3] - 17916:6,
17923:36, 17944:36
try-outs [1] - 17916:6
trying [7] - 17896:15,
17899:25, 17916:5,
17916:6, 17931:9,
17933:43, 17940:44
tuck [1] - 17899:10
tucked [1] - 17929:25
tucking [1] - 17899:6
tuckshop [1] 17918:25
TUESDAY [1] -
17969:27
Tully [3] - 17898:34,
17907:45, 17918:40
turn [7] - 17902:33,
17930:46, 17952:8,
17953:15, 17955:32,
17959:17, 17959:38
turned [1] - 17909:19
turner [1] - 17933:20
turning [2] - 17931:11,
17934:25
TURTON [2] 17935:30, 17936:9
Turton [8] - 17926:46,
17935:28, 17935:36,
17935:38, 17936:2,
17941:19, 17948:1,
17969:17
tutoring [2] 17965:25, 17967:15
twice [1] - 17928:23
twisting [1] 17929:46
two [26] - 17883:4,
17888:11, 17890:16,
17902:46, 17905:21,
17907:10, 17908:2,
17910:19, 17911:36,
17911:43, 17913:18,
17919:15, 17920:4,
17922:8, 17922:43,
17924:4, 17924:19,
17930:22, 17932:14,
17937:15, 17937:16,
17939:33, 17949:9,
17962:2, 17962:15,
17965:27
Tynan [1] - 17923:26
typed [3] - 17945:15,
17947:13, 17951:11
U
ultimately [3] 17894:46, 17895:15,
17902:5
unable [3] - 17899:28,
17902:21, 17902:44
unaware [1] 17894:21
uncertain [1] 17966:18
unclean [1] - 17924:8
uncomfortable [3] 17919:25, 17924:20,
17956:35
uncommon [1] 17950:7
under [6] - 17912:28,
17913:37, 17917:1,
C26
Transcript produced by DTI
17920:32, 17926:6,
17958:10
under-achiever [1] 17912:28
underneath [1] 17892:35
underpants [5] 17916:39, 17916:41,
17917:38, 17918:43,
17919:20
understood [4] 17891:37, 17898:42,
17925:37, 17968:25
undone [1] - 17896:46
undress [2] 17919:20, 17919:22
undressed [1] 17918:6
undressing [1] 17918:15
unemployment [1] 17894:31
unfortunate [1] 17958:9
unhappy [1] 17910:15
uniform [1] - 17916:7
unique [2] - 17881:36,
17881:37
unit [3] - 17891:21,
17891:44, 17892:4
University [1] 17874:34
unkempt [1] 17908:10
unless [2] - 17911:28,
17941:6
unlocked [1] 17920:25
unnecessary [1] 17968:34
unrelated [1] 17962:3
unsettled [2] 17894:32, 17895:28
unsupervised [4] 17963:40, 17965:5,
17965:19, 17967:11
untucked [1] 17929:24
unusable [1] 17902:26
unusual [4] 17880:18, 17880:23,
17887:13, 17942:6
up [79] - 17876:45,
17892:16, 17894:35,
17895:27, 17896:16,
17896:34, 17897:14,
17898:7, 17899:22,
17899:28, 17899:36,
17899:39, 17903:19,
17904:15, 17905:39,
17905:45, 17909:19,
17910:4, 17911:30,
17912:4, 17912:5,
17912:30, 17913:9,
17913:16, 17913:20,
17913:37, 17915:11,
17915:26, 17916:23,
17917:2, 17918:29,
17919:4, 17919:18,
17919:23, 17919:32,
17919:37, 17920:7,
17921:11, 17921:45,
17922:14, 17922:30,
17923:33, 17924:23,
17925:7, 17925:37,
17927:37, 17927:42,
17929:26, 17929:39,
17930:17, 17930:24,
17930:26, 17931:15,
17932:7, 17932:32,
17934:25, 17935:6,
17938:30, 17939:11,
17940:16, 17940:26,
17941:36, 17942:8,
17944:41, 17945:15,
17947:5, 17949:20,
17949:36, 17950:10,
17950:13, 17951:11,
17954:24, 17954:37,
17956:3, 17958:38,
17958:40, 17959:32,
17960:23
upset [1] - 17924:28
upsetting [1] 17910:24
us' [1] - 17929:12
USA [1] - 17962:5
useless [1] - 17902:38
Usher [2] - 17964:7,
17968:20
Usher" [1] - 17936:14
usual [1] - 17929:42
ute [2] - 17900:40,
17932:9
V
values [2] - 17912:15,
17941:10
variety [1] - 17926:42
various [5] 17894:27, 17894:29,
17924:40, 17928:41,
17942:1
varying [1] - 17878:5
version [1] - 17890:5
versus [1] - 17929:12
via [1] - 17888:18
Vicar [2] - 17875:32,
17876:42
Vice [4] - 17937:34,
17960:30, 17960:33,
17960:43
victim [6] - 17888:43,
17895:34, 17935:7,
17949:32, 17963:32,
17964:9
view [2] - 17878:26,
17941:8
vigilance [2] 17967:42, 17968:46
vigilant [2] - 17964:5,
17967:25
Vince [2] - 17875:44,
17876:24
violence [1] 17928:44
violent [1] - 17928:13
virtually [1] - 17908:5
visit [4] - 17928:33,
17932:33, 17934:21,
17967:27
visited [4] - 17884:38,
17894:38, 17894:47,
17934:20
visual [1] - 17892:11
Vivienne [1] 17876:38
voice [1] - 17934:29
void [1] - 17912:19
volume [4] - 17951:44,
17953:22, 17959:18,
17959:33
volunteer [1] 17913:42
Volunteers [1] 17933:33
W
waist [1] - 17961:41
waiting [3] - 17908:23,
17945:24, 17958:38
Wales [1] - 17890:46
walk [3] - 17893:8,
17899:20, 17919:23
walked [5] - 17892:20,
17900:38, 17901:26,
17918:38, 17930:8
walking [1] - 17929:36
wall [1] - 17908:12
wandering [1] 17918:23
Wann [1] - 17898:36
Waratah [2] 17875:10, 17913:37
warm [1] - 17892:28
.05/09/2016 (C168)
warnings [1] 17899:26
wary [2] - 17893:16,
17950:7
wasted [1] - 17925:2
watching [2] 17892:1, 17908:35
wear [1] - 17886:23
wearing [5] - 17892:6,
17909:12, 17916:39,
17917:19, 17929:40
wears [1] - 17917:41
weather [1] - 17892:28
website [3] 17894:39, 17894:41,
17894:47
week [9] - 17892:22,
17915:16, 17915:24,
17915:41, 17922:8,
17927:43, 17928:23,
17932:14, 17952:43
weekend [3] 17890:22, 17915:15,
17915:26
weekends [1] 17915:25
weeks [8] - 17899:21,
17911:3, 17912:44,
17913:25, 17913:26,
17916:22, 17917:16,
17923:31
WEI [1] - 17954:6
welcoming [1] 17913:39
Welfare [1] - 17875:21
welfare [1] - 17937:25
Wellsprings [5] 17962:1, 17962:2,
17962:7, 17962:13,
17962:18
west [1] - 17919:5
Wetlands [1] 17908:20
white [1] - 17900:39
who'd [1] - 17966:28
whole [5] - 17891:18,
17923:33, 17927:40,
17931:12, 17955:4
widely [1] - 17898:46
wielded [1] - 17907:47
wife [4] - 17933:28,
17934:5, 17934:38
William [2] - 17874:1,
17874:24
WILLIAM [1] 17874:18
Williams [1] 17925:39
window [4] - 17900:3,
17900:5, 17900:6,
17905:45
winter [3] - 17917:18,
17917:19, 17919:30
wise [1] - 17899:1
wish [4] - 17874:44,
17936:12, 17936:23,
17955:33
wishes [3] - 17874:10,
17936:2, 17964:35
withdraw [1] 17874:10
withdrawn [3] 17896:13, 17896:18,
17933:38
WITHDREW [6] 17889:28, 17897:30,
17906:12, 17914:12,
17926:35, 17935:26
Withnell [1] 17907:14
Witness [1] 17944:25
WITNESS [16] 17889:21, 17889:26,
17889:28, 17890:14,
17897:26, 17897:30,
17906:10, 17906:12,
17907:9, 17914:12,
17914:21, 17914:25,
17914:31, 17926:35,
17935:24, 17935:26
witness [12] 17874:1, 17889:30,
17889:31, 17889:33,
17906:14, 17906:25,
17914:14, 17914:40,
17926:38, 17926:40,
17926:45, 17948:27
witnessed [2] 17931:18, 17933:9
witnesses [1] 17926:41
woke [3] - 17919:32,
17919:37
woken [1] - 17919:27
women [1] - 17924:46
wonder [3] 17878:27, 17879:37,
17879:44
wondered [3] 17878:15, 17878:20,
17905:31
wonderful [1] 17927:46
wondering [1] 17909:15
wooden [1] 17902:24
woodwork [1] 17916:23
C27
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word [5] - 17882:2,
17886:13, 17904:17,
17964:14, 17964:16
words [17] - 17884:34,
17884:45, 17885:12,
17886:13, 17886:15,
17891:41, 17932:16,
17932:18, 17955:39,
17955:43, 17955:45,
17955:47, 17956:6,
17956:11, 17956:12,
17956:32, 17956:33
wore [2] - 17900:9,
17920:38
workbook [1] 17919:43
workplace [1] 17897:8
works [2] - 17933:21,
17954:11
world [1] - 17962:3
worried [4] 17892:46, 17893:23,
17917:12, 17930:42
worries [1] - 17968:5
worry [2] - 17909:34,
17913:27
worse [4] - 17902:14,
17924:15, 17930:47,
17933:36
worth [1] - 17896:15
wrapped [1] 17909:13
wreck [1] - 17934:19
write [5] - 17902:22,
17948:2, 17948:8,
17948:15, 17948:25
writing [3] - 17896:30,
17943:5, 17964:17
written [8] - 17940:25,
17944:46, 17950:5,
17950:34, 17957:12,
17957:19, 17965:16,
17969:7
wrote [2] - 17956:31,
17956:32
wry [1] - 17909:23
X
Xavier [1] - 17881:11
Y
year [40] - 17882:16,
17890:29, 17890:36,
17891:19, 17894:21,
17898:23, 17898:30,
17899:21, 17900:9,
17900:17, 17901:34,
17901:45, 17907:22,
17907:23, 17907:31,
17907:32, 17907:45,
17908:11, 17908:13,
17908:18, 17908:22,
17909:4, 17909:5,
17910:9, 17913:8,
17913:22, 17919:7,
17919:9, 17919:12,
17920:1, 17929:1,
17929:38, 17932:33,
17933:1, 17935:15,
17938:44, 17939:35,
17959:45
years [44] - 17875:16,
17875:29, 17875:36,
17875:37, 17876:24,
17886:21, 17890:15,
17894:26, 17895:40,
17896:47, 17901:5,
17901:37, 17903:17,
17904:27, 17905:15,
17907:38, 17908:42,
17908:44, 17910:11,
17911:36, 17912:24,
17915:20, 17915:24,
17925:4, 17925:46,
17928:3, 17928:16,
17930:22, 17932:19,
17933:32, 17933:35,
17933:39, 17933:42,
17934:25, 17937:4,
17937:15, 17937:16,
17938:35, 17938:36,
17940:39, 17948:21,
17948:36, 17960:30,
17963:28
yep' [1] - 17922:15
yes' [1] - 17893:27
yoga [1] - 17925:7
young [21] - 17880:3,
17882:15, 17890:19,
17890:23, 17896:11,
17898:12, 17907:13,
17913:22, 17928:17,
17941:10, 17942:39,
17943:19, 17943:26,
17943:27, 17945:18,
17945:31, 17951:12,
17951:19, 17951:22,
17963:27, 17968:29
younger [8] 17890:16, 17899:10,
17901:38, 17902:47,
17910:19, 17910:26,
17915:12
yourself [9] - 17887:2,
17887:27, 17890:6,
17937:40, 17939:34,
17947:19, 17951:45,
17962:35, 17967:37
Z
Zimmerman [2] 17923:24, 17934:9
zone [1] - 17915:42
zoom [1] - 17877:37
.05/09/2016 (C168)
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