January Meeting Location
We will be meeting at the
Club at Longshore Lake for
our meeting on Friday, January 24th. Longshore Lake is
entered from Valewood Drive,
north of Immokalee Road, east
of I-75. Refer to location map
to the left. Stop at the gatehouse and let them know you
are going the Mayflower Society
luncheon. Follow the signs to
the Club (immediate right, followed by immediate left, followed by immediate right).
MARCH MEETING
The Spring meeting will be held at the Moorings Park Community Building on Wednesday, March
12th. More details about the meeting location will be provided in the Spring Newsletter.
The speaker at the March Meeting will be author Michael Tougias and he will be speaking on the
French and Indian War. Tougias (pronounced “Toe-gis”) is a dynamic speaker and an award winning
author of 19 books. Mr. Tougias spoke to our colony last spring about King Philip’s War. He will be
available to sell and sign books after the meeting.
Additional information about Tougias can be found at http://www.michaeltougias.com.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
FRIDAY, JANUARY 24, 2014 LUNCHEON
RESERVATION DUE WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 15, 2014
The Myles Standish Colony cordially invites you to attend our meeting and luncheon on Friday,
January 24, 2014 at the *Club at Longshore Lake. We will start at 11:30 AM with a social half-hour.
Guests of members and prospective members are most welcome to attend our meetings
Reservations for the luncheon are required; must be cancelled by
Monday, January 20, 2014 to avoid a charge.
*11399 Phoenix Way - Naples, Florida
RESERVATION FORM—FRIDAY, JANUARY 24, 2014 LUNCHEON
PLEASE PRINT THE NAMES OF THOSE WHO WILL BE ATTENDING:
_____________________________________
____________________________________________
Please check a box in front of the name if this is you or your guest’s first visit to our colony.
Please write your check for $22 per person, all inclusive, to Myles Standish Colony. Detach and mail
so that it reaches our treasurer, Nancy Talleur by Wednesday, January 15, 2014. Thank you! Luncheons should be pre-paid.
RETURN TO:
Nancy Talleur/712 Lambton Ln/Naples, FL 34104
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Myles Standish Colony News
Naples, Florida
Nancy Fodi, Colony Governor
Society of Mayflower Descendants in the State of Florida
Volume 4, Issue 2
Winter 2013/14
Governor’s Letter - Greetings from Nancy Fodi, Governor
Please mark your
calendars:
Next Meeting:
Friday, 24th January
2014 at 11:30AM
The Club at
Longshore Lake.
Program: Dr. Ron
Benson will speak on
“The ships which
came after the
Mayflower and
before 1628.”
Save the date!
Spring Meeting:
Wednesday, 12th
March 2014
Christmas Greetings
to All! As we look
to another New
Year, we reflect on
all
we
have
accomplished this
past
year.
In
November,
Fran
Lopus and I traveled
to the Florida State
Mayflower Society
annual meeting. Fran is our state DGG and
takes an active role at the state level. The
main topic at the meeting was the revision of
the state by-laws, which are well underway
and ready for approval at the next annual
meeting. Information will be forthcoming
about that.
As many of you know, we have been
searching for the ideal new place to meet.
Those of us who attended our November
colony meeting at Glen Eagle Country Club
felt that it was a good location, good food and
service, but that there was too much
peripheral noise from adjacent areas that were
a distraction. Your board has decided not to
meet there again. In order to try other
locations, we will need to change some
meeting dates, so please check the newsletter
and website regularly. You will find
information about both our January and
March meetings in this newsletter. Our board
has scheduled the meetings for November
2014 and into 2015 at Longshore Lake.
I wish each and every one of you a happy
holiday season, and a healthy and prosperous
New Year.
Nancy Fodi, Governor
Plymouth Colony-1627 1
Where did they go?
ATTENTION—IMPORTANT
Please note the new meeting date and location for our January
meeting. We will be meeting on Friday, January 24th at the Club
at Longshore Lake off Immokalee Road just east of I-75. Refer to
page 4 for details, including a map.
Plymouth Colony-1627 2
continued
Plymouth Colony—1627: Where did the rest of the folks go?
In this issue:
Governor’s Letter
1
Focus on new
members
2
Junior Members
2
January Program
2
MSC Officers
3
Minutes of the Last
Meeting
3
Historian’s Report
3
January Meeting
Location
4
March Meeting
4
Reservation form
4
Ronald E. Benson, Jr.
Our article from the Fall 2013 issue of the
Myles Standish Colony News identified the
possibility that as many as fifty of the Plymouth Colony settlers may have left the colony prior to 1627. If we add up the total
number of passengers who arrived on ships
between 1620 and 1624, we arrive at a total of
about 238 people (Mayflower - 102, Fortune 35, Anne/Little James - 95, others - 6). Subtracting out the number who died (about 60)
and adding the number who were born prior
to 1627 (about 35), we arrived at a total expected population in 1627 of about 213. If
we next subtract out the 156 who were docu-
mented at the Division of Cattle, this leaves
us with 57 as the number of those who either
left the colony or died between 1623 and
1627. The next question is are we able to
identify who these folks were and what may
have happened to such a large number. As
can be seen from these numbers, about onefourth of the members of this colony, those
who had survived sickness and the hard work
of building the stockade and communal
homes of the colony, decided to abandon their
investment in this colony within only a couple
of years of their arrival. All of these folks
(Continued on page 2)
Plymouth Colony—1627: Where did they go?
Removed to Naumkeag
between 10 and 15
Removed to Nantasket
about 5
Removed to Piscataqua
about 4
Removed to other NE towns
between 15 and 20
Removed to Virginia
between 1 and 5
This estimated distribution of the fate of these fifty-seven
people is based on the information suggesting that eight or nine
family groups were missing from the Division of Cattle list in
1627 who had been present on the 1623 Division of Land list,
and that at a time when not very many were reported as having
died it is unlikely that entire family groupings died. Also, historical records tell us that there were groups which left the Plymouth colony during these years who settled in Naumkeag
(Salem, Massachusetts); Nantasket (Hull, Massachusetts); and
Piscataqua (Portsmouth, New Hampshire). It is also possible
that some of the people who left Plymouth may have joined
remnants of the survivors who had settled at Wessagusset
(Weymouth, Massachusetts) and Mount Wollaston (Quincy,
Massachusetts). Another factor in our assumed distribution is
that many of the single men and servants who left the Plymouth
colony between 1623 and 1627 would not likely have returned
to England as they would not have had the money needed to pay
for their return passage (many of them probably had not had the
money for their initial passage from England), so instead would
have more likely simply squatted somewhere, eventually dying
anonymously after their small group was absorbed into one of
the many Massachusetts Bay Colony towns which were formed
between 1630 and 1640.
The current article only attempts to identify the number of
people who left the Plymouth Colony between 1623 and 1627,
but does not attempt to address the possible reasons why so
many people decided to leave the colony during the early years.
This will be the topic for a subsequent article. A related question which we can begin to consider is what did those who chose
to remain in the early Plymouth Colony have in common. In
order to begin to address these questions, we have broadened
our research to learn more about all of the settlements which
occurred in New England between 1607 and 1627. This will be
the topic for the presentation at the January 2014 meeting of the
Myles Standish Colony.
(Continued from page 1)
had participated in the Division of Land in 1623, so were considered part of the colony at that time, so it is unlikely they remained in the colony in 1627, but were excluded from the Division of Cattle.
The first thing which we did in order to further investigate
these questions was to take the Wakefield reconstructed census
for 1623 which was based on the Division of Land list, adjusted
for what is known about those who died prior to that time. We
next compared this list to the Division of Cattle list and came up
with those who were part of the colony in 1623 who were no
longer part of the colony in 1627. To this list we added the family of Reverend John Lyford who arrived in 1624. Wakefield
takes the approach that the family of Roger Conant had arrived
in 1623 (consistent with Conant’s testimony in 1671 that he had
arrived in Plymouth 48 years earlier), and were accounted in the
ten acres which John Oldham had received. Either way, all researchers have the Roger Conant family arriving in either 1623
or 1624. In the event the Conant family was not present in 1623
at the Division of Land, then there would have been an additional three people who had arrived in Plymouth in 1623 who
left prior to 1627 than we are counting here. The result of this
comparison yields a total of 57 people who are not accounted for
in the Division of Cattle.
Based on the names from the Division of Cattle list, we can
place at least a surname to about fifty of these people, and in
most cases we have both the given name as well as surname.
The following identifies the likely gender and family status of
these 57 individuals.
Married Men
9
Married Women
9
Single Men & servants
28
Single Women
0
Children
11
Of these fifty-seven people, the following is our current best
guess as to what happened to them between 1623 and 1627.
Died at Plymouth
between 5 and 10
Returned to England
between 5 and 10
FOCUS ON NEW MEMBERS
SPECIAL NOTE TO SPONSORS OF JUNIOR MEMBERS
Charles Strome
We would like to reach out to the young members of our
colony to make sure they become adult members in the future. In an effort to do so, we would like to make contact
through e-mail to gain some feedback as to their interests.
Please e-mail their name & e-mail address to Nancy Fodi at
[email protected]. Thank you for your help.
This is very important for the continuity of our colony!
Charles Bowman Strome was born in Worcester, Massachusetts, but spent his formative years in Pennsylvania. He attended Wyoming Seminary College Preparatory School in Kingston, Pennsylvania and received a BA degree from Syracuse
University and LLB degree from the University of Pennsylvania
Law School. He served in the United States Air Force during
the Korean War and Cuban Missile Crisis, retiring as a Major in
the USAFR. An attorney, Mr. Strome was Senior Vice President and Senior Deputy General Counsel for The Equitable Life
Assurance Society, responsible for the administration of Equitable's Law and Government Relations Departments. Widowed,
with three children and five grand children, Mr. Strome resides
in Naples Fl. He is an Emeritus Member of the General Society
of Mayflower Descendants, descended from Richard Warren. He has recently transferred his membership from the Pennsylvania Society to the Florida Society and our Myles Standish
Colony.
JANUARY PROGRAM
The speaker for the January Meeting will be our own member Ron Benson. He will be talking about the ships which
came to New England between 1620 and 1627 and the interactions between the Plymouth Colony and these other New England settlers and adventurers. This presentation ties in with the
articles Ron has written for our newsletter both last year and
this year.
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Myles Standish Colony Officers
GOVERNOR:
VICE GOVERNOR:
SECRETARY:
TREASURER:
HISTORIAN:
ELDER:
CAPTAIN:
NEWSLETTER:
Nancy Fodi
Donald Cahill
Sandra Lemkin
Nancy Talleur
W. Richard Hazen
Harry LaBelle
Lucia Fallo
Ronald Benson
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
We’re on the Web!
http://flmayflower.com/
colonies/standish/standish.pdf
Meeting Minutes - Myles Standish Colony - 13 November 2013
Glen Eagle Country Club, Naples, FL
Governor Nancy Fodi called the meeting to order at 12 noon
and Harry LaBelle, Elder, gave the invocation. Virginia Bailey
led us in the Pledge of Allegiance.
Fran Lopus led the Pilgrim’s Pledge and Captain Lucia
Fallo read the Mayflower Compact.
Before recessing for lunch, Governor Fodi introduced Kerry
Bertrand, mgr. at Glen Eagle Country Club
The meeting recessed for lunch.
Governor Fodi reconvened the meeting and asked for approval of the minutes, which were approved as written.
Richard Hazen introduced guests Dr. Phil Simcosky and his
wife Julie, Brad Steinmann, our speaker Ted Childress, new
member Nicole Gudith (accompanied by her fiancé Gerald
Koerner III), and Nellie Hedstrom (a member of a colony in
Maine), accompanied by her husband Warren. Lydia Kreusi
was welcomed as a new member (accompanied by daughter
Heidi Miller). Other guests included Judi LaBelle (wife of
Elder Harry LaBelle), Lois LaGruth (prospective member) and
her husband Joseph, Barry Ratner (husband of Nancy Ratner),
Mark Ricci (husband of Patricia Ricci) and prospective member Peggy Reagan.
Governor Fodi recognized past colony governors Fran
Lopus and Edith Sachs.
Sandra Lemkin, Secretary and Lucia Fallo, Captain led the
Roll Call of Ancestors. Richard Warren had the most descendants present.
Treasurer Nancy Talleur, gave the treasurer’s report, with a
balance on hand is $12,584.40.
Historian Richard Hazen reported 120 members, 12 prospective members and recognized new members Lydia Kreusi and
Patricia Malley.
Governor Fodi announced that name tags are available
through Don Cahill for $10 each. She also announced that she
and Fran Lopus will be attending the state meeting November
22-23, 2013.
Beverley Duncan and Pat Ricci gave the Junior’s Report,
noting a total membership of 135 juniors. The application fee
for junior membership is $30. They stressed the importance of
maintaining communication with our junior members and distributed survey sheets to update address and email changes.
Don Cahill introduced our speaker Ted Childress, who spoke
on “The Pilgrims and the Indians: Life Together and the Pequot
War”.
The meeting was adjourned at 2:00 pm.
Sandra Lemkin, Recording Secretary
HISTORIAN’S REPORT (as of 21 November 2013)
New Members: (5) Jeffrey Alan WANDELL; Nancy Ann Hall
RATNER; Beverly FERGUSON; Patricia Mogensen MALLEY;
Lydia Fuller KRUESI
Previous Year-end Balance: 117
Transfers-Out: (0)
Juniors to Regular: (0)
Transfers-In: (7) Charles Russell SEBRELL; Jack Arnold
SELLINGER; Michael Edwin GAREY (Dual MI); Charles
Bowman STROME Jr.; Nellie Irene HEDSTROM; Warren
Everett HEDSTROM, Jr.; Lisa Kristin HEDSTROM
Supplementals: (7) Angela WAKEFIELD (3 Allerton and 1
Warren); Ron BENSON (Hopkins and Warren); Alexander
TELLER (Brewster)
Resignations/Drops: (4) Marilyn LAUFFER; Karen van HOESEN; Stacy Ann HOUGH; Joan MONETTA.
Deaths: (0)
Reinstatements: (0)
Total Members: 125 (which includes 12 Life Members.)
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