#12 Skillet ID? (Read 800 times)
Jerry Cermack
#12 Skillet ID?
Mar 3rd, 2012, 12:53pm
Need some opinions on this skillet. It Ground & Polished on the inside and very smooth. I thought maybe Lodge. I
tried a #12 BS&R lid on it and wouldnt fit.
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Jerry Cermack
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #1 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 12:54pm
#12 Bottom
If it is a Lodge.... Dates?
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Dwayne Henson
Jerry Cermack
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #2 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 1:20pm
Jerry can you add any photos of the underside of the handle? What are the markings on it, any molder's marks?
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #3 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 1:23pm
I see no markings at all on the skillet other than what looks like a smeared letter D above the 12. Here is the handle,
and it has a similar ridge to BS&R but not as pronounced as it might look in the picture.
And for a #12, it seems light to me compared to others. It weighs about 7 lbs 7 ozs. and is in almost unused
condition.
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Roger Barfield
Sam Roberts
C. Perry Rapier
John Arsenault
Dwayne Henson
Dwayne Henson
John Arsenault
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #4 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 1:37pm
That assist tab looks Lodge to me, but they usually have a small raised molders mark on the bottom side of them.
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #5 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 6:43pm
Let me insert foot in mouth for a second. Don't feel that it's a Lodge. A Lodge size 12 with no breaks in the heat ring
would have a raised 12 on the handle. Even if that had put the 12 on the bottom..... that "12" is different than what
Lodge uses....Sam
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #6 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 10:15pm
It sure is a nice looking skillet. But i don't have a clue who made it. All I can say is that it looks like a BSR to me. But
the number don't look right for a BSR, but the assist tab reminds me of a BSR. :Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #7 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 10:28pm
The assist tab looks curved? Is it?
The #1 font is not the same as my BSR 10 font, and the scoop handle is not as pronounced on the 12 as BSR. Just
more ????
John A
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #8 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 10:31pm
I don't think it's a Lodge or a BS&R. The assist tab looks like Lodge's shape, but there is no molder's mark under that
tab. No breaks in the heat ring, but no raised number on the top of the handle. BS&R's tab is differently shaped and
has that beveled hole through it. Numbering is different than the BS&R's I've seen. Handle shape is not the same as
the BS&R's I've seen. I'm not sure who made it.
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #9 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 10:53pm
After going through some Lodge skillets, I might change my vote to possibly a Lodge copy? Jerry can you measure
that skillet? I have a Lodge #12, with the 12 raised on the top of the handle, no breaks in the heat ring. Is it possible
that some one used a Lodge skillet to make this one? I have #10 skillet with the exact same handle with a mild V
shape and scoop design just like Jerry's. This skillet of mine has a raised 10 on top of the handle and says LODGE on
the bottom. I'll post some photos tomorrow, and the measurements. With the skillet setting on it's bottom, handle in
the 6:00 position, I measure from the top of the pouring lip on the left, to the bottom of the pouring lip on the right,
without measuring the pouring lips. Does that make any sense? For depth I place a steel rule across the skillet, then I
measure from the bottom of the skillet to the bottom of the steel rule.
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #10 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 11:02pm
Comparing Jerry's 12 with what I have thought was a Lodge #12? But I'm not sure now? Smooth bottom, Raised 12
on handle, large pour spouts and the assist tab looks correct shape, but no molder mark under.
John A
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John Arsenault
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #11 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 11:02pm
pic 2
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Dwayne Henson
C. Perry Rapier
John Arsenault
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #12 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 11:06pm
John I would say your skillet is not a Lodge. Assist tab isn't correct for Lodge. No heat ring, No molder's mark. More
foundries than just Lodge used the raised number's on the handles.
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #13 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 11:19pm
John thats a nice skillet, every who made it. I have never seen one like it that I recall. But I know Lodge made some
early skillets with the raised letters and clearly marked Lodge on the back. But I think the Lodges that I am talking
about do not have a rolled or rounded edge like yours pictured here.
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #14 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 11:22pm
Thanks Dwayne, Just more ??? But thats what makes this addiction hobby FUN!
John A
John Arsenault
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #15 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 11:43pm
Thanks Perry!
With Jerry's we now have two nice 12's that we know nothing about? But they sure cook good!
John A
Pics of the handle top and bottom and bottom of the assist tab for any thoughts or to compare to others.
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John Arsenault
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #16 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 11:44pm
#2
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John Arsenault
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Reply #17 - Mar 3rd, 2012, 11:44pm
#3
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Rick Gilley
Jerry Cermack
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #18 - Mar 4th, 2012, 9:18am
The one Jerry showed sure looks Lodge to me....Dwayne has one on the Lodge pages that looks a lot like it...except
for the number and makers mark. I have one like it but mine has the number on the handle thats in the mountains at
my cabin right now and a #12 Lodge lid fits it perfectly.
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #19 - Mar 4th, 2012, 10:05am
The skillet is being cleaned up, but I did measure it yesterday and if I remember right, it was about 12 15/16" inside
diameter and 13 1/4" outside diameter. I didnt measure the depth, but I will later and recheck all dimensions.
I also mentioned that I tried a BS&R #12 skillet cover on it and it didnt fit...too small as I remember. But then again,
I dont know if all BS&R #12's were the same size over the years.
Dwayne Henson
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #20 - Mar 4th, 2012, 2:04pm
Have the photos. First is a Raised #10 Lodge that has Jerry's type of handle. First the top View
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Dwayne Henson
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #21 - Mar 4th, 2012, 2:05pm
Bottom view of that #10 showing that shallow V shape on the underside of the handle, same as the one Jerry is
showing. No breaks in the heat ring. The V is not as sharp/pronounced as a BS&R.
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Dwayne Henson
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #22 - Mar 4th, 2012, 2:07pm
Photos of a Raised #12 that Jerry's resembles.
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Dwayne Henson
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #23 - Mar 4th, 2012, 2:07pm
Bottom View of the skillet, no breaks in the heat ring. Handle is not like Jerry's.
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Dwayne Henson
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #24 - Mar 4th, 2012, 2:08pm
Close up of the assist tab, top view on the #12.
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Dwayne Henson
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #25 - Mar 4th, 2012, 2:09pm
Bottom view, close up of the assist tab with the molder's mark A
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Dwayne Henson
John Arsenault
John Arsenault
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #26 - Mar 4th, 2012, 2:11pm
Measured the #12 that is shown. 13-3/8" outside diameter, 13-1/16" inside diameter.
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #27 - Mar 4th, 2012, 9:10pm
Did a search and found another 12 like Jerry's
http://www.griswoldandwagner.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1322962710/11#11
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John A
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #28 - Mar 4th, 2012, 9:26pm
Jerry's 12, Found it! Rick posted it a year ago. The D is part of LODGE that has been buttered out.
Link to Ricks post w/picture
http://www.griswoldandwagner.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1305847240/2#2
John A
Now if I could just find my 12?
Jerry Cermack
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #29 - Mar 4th, 2012, 10:20pm
Quote from John Arsenault on Mar 4th, 2012, 9:10pm:
Did a search and found another 12 like Jerry's
http://www.griswoldandwagner.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1322962710/11#11
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John A
I put the one in the thread John posted above, alongside the one I posted for comparison. The one in the thread
definitely has one break in the HR it looks like to me. I re-measured the one I posted and its 13 3/8" outside
diameter and 13" inside. Its 2 3/8" deep. Interesting mystery.
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Jerry Cermack
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #30 - Mar 4th, 2012, 10:27pm
Here is mine alongside the one Rick posted in the other thread.
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Roger Barfield
John Arsenault
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #31 - Mar 4th, 2012, 10:39pm
Jerry, that last set of photos sure looks like a match to me.
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #32 - Mar 4th, 2012, 11:29pm
Quote from Jerry Cermack on Mar 4th, 2012, 10:20pm:
I put the one in the thread John posted above, alongside the one I posted for comparison. The one in the thread definitely has one
break in the HR it looks like to me. I re-measured the one I posted and its 13 3/8" outside diameter and 13" inside. Its 2 3/8" deep.
Interesting mystery.
Very interesting! My Raised #12 has the same measurements 13 3/8" outside diameter and 13" inside. 2 3/8" deep.
But smooth bottom different handle and tab.
Tried a BS&R lid, wont fit, too big?
Well at least we know that Jerry's is LODGE.
John A
Dwayne Henson
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #33 - Mar 4th, 2012, 11:40pm
Jerry can we get those two photos placed in the Lodge Pages, if they are not already there? Great another style Lodge
to look for.
John maybe we'll find out who made yours, That tab on yours is so different than Lodges, I've seen that type of tab
before, but can't remeber who.
Jerry Cermack
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #34 - Mar 5th, 2012, 10:37am
Dwayne, any pictures I post can be saved or whatever Wags wishes to do with them.
Here is another closer comparison of the two skillets #12. The Jury can decide....
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John Arsenault
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #35 - Mar 5th, 2012, 11:06am
My vote
John A
Rick Gilley
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #36 - Mar 5th, 2012, 1:07pm
Let me throw my other one in the mix, as its a #12 also....some pitting on the bottom forever erased the chance of
finding a size number there.
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Rick Gilley
Dwayne Henson
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #37 - Mar 5th, 2012, 1:09pm
Also on the marked Lodge #12 I can get a better picture especially of the assist tab if needed.
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #38 - Mar 5th, 2012, 10:15pm
Sam do you have any ideas on when this type of skillet would fit into the Lodge timeline? I'm going to have to check
mine out.
What is confusing to me is these are no breaks in the heat ring skillets, without the raised size number on the handle.
We have always thought that no break skillets have raised size numbers on the handles. To further confuse I have at
least 1 Lodge skillet with the raised size number on the handle, but this this skillet has a single break at 12:00 in the
heat ring. So how does the progression actually go???
Sam Roberts
Dwayne Henson
Sam Roberts
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #39 - Mar 5th, 2012, 10:47pm
Lodge made 2 series of skillets without a break in the heat ring. The first was the one with or without Lodge on the
bottom and the raised number on the handle. The second one has both Lodge and the size on the bottom, but no size
on the handle. RB, page 222.
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #40 - Mar 5th, 2012, 10:58pm
And where would you place a one notch heat ring, with a raised size on the handle?
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #41 - Mar 6th, 2012, 3:26am
Are you sure it was made by Lodge? I never have seen one so couldn't place it....
Mark Ritter
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #42 - Mar 6th, 2012, 8:24am
Now I know this isn't a #12 but I believe that this is a Lodge with one break in the heat ring, with a raised number on
the handle?
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Mark Ritter
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Reply #43 - Mar 6th, 2012, 8:26am
#2
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Mark Ritter
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #44 - Mar 6th, 2012, 8:45am
I also posted this a couple of days ago trying to get some answers. The ones #3,#4, and #5 that are fully marked
with a full heat ring don't have the raised number on the handle?
Has anyone out there seen any of these above the #5 size that doesn't have the raised number on the handle?
Sorry for the dumb questions but I just haven't seen them and the RB doesn't state if these did or didn't have the
raised numbers on the second series? I just wondered if all of them were marked with a raised number after the #5?
John Arsenault
Sam Roberts
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #45 - Mar 6th, 2012, 9:00am
Mark. I was going to say Jerry's #12, but it is not fully marked. Just the D, LO...GE buttered out.
Maybe someone will post one.
John A
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #46 - Mar 6th, 2012, 9:07am
Mark,
The ones #3,#4, and #5 that are fully marked with a full heat ring don't have the raised number on the handle? Just
my experience but, if a Lodge skillet is marked on the bottom with the size, it will not be marked on the handle.
Has anyone out there seen any of these above the #5 size that doesn't have the raised number on the handle? I feel
that the RB is wrong on this one. As you will notice on page 222, second column at the bottom it lists the sizes of the
skillets from size 3 to size 12. All of this series I have seen are sizes 3 - 5, but above on the same column the ones
with the raised number on the handle runs in sizes 6 - 10 (we know there is a size 12 also). So IMO this is all one
set: 3 - 5 with the number inset on the bottom and size 6 - 12, raised number on the handle.
What do you think?
Mark Ritter
Dwayne Henson
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #47 - Mar 6th, 2012, 9:15am
Thank you Sam, that is what I have thought for a long time now but I haven't seen enough of them to say for sure.
Thats why I keep asking the dumb questions with the hope that someone out there can clear this up?
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #48 - Mar 6th, 2012, 5:53pm
I have 3-#8's that have raised size numbers on the handles, with a single break in the heat ring. Here are some
photos of the one that puzzles me the most.
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Dwayne Henson
Re: #12 Skillet ID?
Reply #49 - Mar 6th, 2012, 5:54pm
Bottom View
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Dwayne Henson
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Reply #50 - Mar 6th, 2012, 5:54pm
Close up.
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Dwayne Henson
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Reply #51 - Mar 6th, 2012, 6:17pm
It's the timeline I don't understand. Is it the number of notches that date Lodge, or the raised numbers on the
handles, or the Lodge name on a skillet more accurate? I know the Red Book isn't 100% accurate, but these skillets
have raised questions, at least in my mind. In this post we have 3 different, no break in the heat ring skillets shown,
with an inset heat ring.
One; with the raised size number on the handle and with molder's marks, and no Lodge name.
Second; with raised size on handle, molder's marks, with Lodge name.
Third; with the size incised on the bottom under the LODGE name and no molder's marks.
Which one is older?
Now throw that last skillet I posted into the mix. It is a single break skillet, but has the raised size on the handle, it
has a molder's mark, and the Lodge name on it. Being a single break skillet does it come after the no breaks in the
heat ring skillets? If this skillet is newer why did Lodge go; raised number on handle, then no raised number on the
handle the size is on the bottom, then back to the raised numbers? Or having the raised number on the handle does
it come before the ones that don't have the raised size on the handle. Or is the LODGE name a clue? Is this skillet
earlier than the other skillets that don't have LODGE on them?