International Journal of Obesity (1998) 22, 885±892 ß 1998 Stockton Press All rights reserved 0307±0565/98 $12.00 http://www.stockton-press.co.uk/ijo Covert manipulation of energy density of high carbohydrate diets in `pseudo free-living' humans RJ Stubbs1, AM Johnstone1, CG Harbron2 and C Reid2 1 The Rowett Research Institute and 2Biomathematics and Statistics Scotland, The Rowett Research Institute, Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, Aberdeen AB21 9SB, UK OBJECTIVE: This study examined the effects of varying the energy density (ED) of high carbohydrate (HC) diets on food and energy intake (EI), subjective hunger and body weight in humans. DESIGN: Randomised cross-over design. Subjects were each studied twice during 14 d, throughout which they had ad libitum access to one of two covertly-manipulated diets. SUBJECTS AND METHODS: Six healthy men (mean age (s.d.) 32.17 y s.d. (5.26 y), mean weight 69.74 kg s.d. (2.75 kg), mean height 1.76 m s.d. (0.05 m), body mass index (BMI) 22.57 (2.2) kg=m2) were studied. The fat, carbohydrate (CHO) and protein content (as % energy) and ED of each diet were 21 : 66 : 13% and 357 kJ=100 g, (lowenergy density (LED)) or 22 : 66 : 12% and 629 kJ=100 g (high-energy density (HED)). A medium fat diet was provided at maintenance (1.6 BMR, MF for 2 d) before each ad libitum period. Subjects could alter the amount, but not the composition of foods eaten. RESULTS: Mean EI was 8.67 and 14.82 MJ=d on the LED and HED diets, respectively. Subjects felt signi®cantly more hungry on the LED diet, than on the HED diet (F1,16038.28; P < 0.001) and found the diets to be similarly pleasant (72.72 mm vs 71.54 mm (F1,3920.31; P 0.579)). Mean body weight decreased on the LED diet at a rate of 0.1 kg=d and increased at 0.06 kg=d on the HED diet (F1,13186.60; P < 0.001), giving total weight changes of 71.41 kg and 0.84 kg, respectively, both of which were signi®cantly different from zero (P < 0.01). CONCLUSION: Excess EI is possible on HC, HED diets, at least under conditions where diet selection is precluded. Comparison of these results with previous studies, which altered ED using fat, suggests that CHO may be a better cue for hunger than fat. Keywords: carbohydrate; fat; energy; macronutrients; food intake; appetite; humans; glucostatic theory Introduction A large body of literature now implicates high fat (HF) diets in the aetiology of obesity. Prospective epidemiological studies suggest that fat consumption is a risk factor for subsequent weight gain. Crosssectional studies also associate HF (but not always high energy) intakes with higher levels of body fat.1 Laboratory-based studies have repeatedly shown that covert changes in the energy density (ED) of the diet, primarily by using fat, appear to be poorly compensated for when dietary fat content is either surreptitiously altered2 ± 8 or when the fat is substituted by non-absorbed fat mimetics (for example, see Ref. 9). These ®ndings have led to a resurgence of interest in glucostatic and glycogenostatic models of feeding as potential physiological mechanisms by which HF Correspondence: R. J. Stubbs, The Rowett Research Institute, Greenburn Road, Bucksburn, Aberdeen AB21 9SB,UK. Received 22 August 1997; revised 15 April 1998; accepted 23 April 1998 diets promote excess energy intake (EI).10 ± 12 These carbohydrate (CHO)-based models of feeding, essentially suggest that CHO status (peripheral utilisation or stores) is the primary physiological factor which exerts an unconditioned, negative feedback on feeding behaviour and EI. A number of testable predictions about the effects of the diet on feeding behaviour can be inferred from these models: (i) that CHO stores or metabolism, exert negative feedback on EI, (ii) because of such feedback, HF diets (which are low in CHO) will promote excess EI, due to the purported drive to eat to maintain CHO status, (iii) that manipulation of CHO status (oxidation or stores) will reciprocally in¯uence EI and (iv) voluntary excesses in EI should be dif®cult, if not impossible to achieve, when subjects are fed on high CHO (HC) diets, because of the strength of negative feedback arising from satiety signals related to CHO status. A number of laboratory studies have attempted to test the above predictions (i±iii) in humans: by examining the day-to-day relationship between nutrient balance=metabolism and subsequent EI of men Energy density, carbohydrates and energy intake RJ Stubbs et al 886 housed in a calorimeter over seven days;8 by examining the effect of dietary macronutrients at the same level of ED on appetite and EI;13 ± 16 and by manipulating CHO stores and assessing their impact on subsequent EI.17 ± 19 In general, these and other studies suggest that changes in CHO status alone, may not be the major unconditioned physiological factor exerting negative feedback on subsequent EI. Other aspects of nutrient balance=metabolism may exert important physiological in¯uences on appetite and energy balance in humans. A fourth prediction of CHO-based models of feeding, is that excess EI is dif®cult to achieve when subjects are fed ad libitum on HC diets. Surprisingly few studies have addressed this issue, although one study of a culturally-prescribed overfeeding regime has shown that, under atypical conditions at least, excess EI and weight gain are possible on HC diets.20 The question therefore remains `how easy is it to ingest excess energy on HC diets?'. This study examined the effects of covertly varying the energy (and hence predominantly (CHO) density of HC diets in a manner similar to that in which dietary ED has previously been altered using predominantly fat,7,8 in order to test whether increasing the ED of HC diets can promote excess EI and weight gain. Materials and methods Subjects and subject characteristics Six healthy men (mean age (s.d.) 32.17 y s.d. (5.26 y), mean weight 69.74 kg s.d. (2.75 kg), mean height 1.76 m s.d. (0.05 m), body mass index (BMI) 22.57 s.d. (2.2) kg=m2), were recruited by advertisement. All had a history of weight stability and none were taking any medication during this study. Height was measured to the nearest 0.5 cm using a stadiometer (Holtain Ltd, Crymych, UK). Subject were weighed (corrected to nude) each morning of the study, after voiding and before eating, to the nearest 10 g on a digital scale (DIGI DS-410, CMS Weighing Equipment Ltd, London). Study design Each subject was studied twice in 16 d. The experiments required that they be resident in, but not con®ned to, the Human Nutrition Unit's metabolic suite throughout each study period. Each 16 d period began with 2 d equilibration on a medium fat diet at 1.6 basal metabolic rate (BMR). During the subsequent 14 d, the subjects had continuous ad libitum access to one of the two covertly manipulated diets which were low in ED (357 kJ=100 g, LED) or high in ED (629 kJ=100 g, HED) (Table 1). Each dish was made in two versions, corresponding to the LED and HED regimes. The ED across different meal types, Table 1 Mean energy density and macronutrient composition per 100 g for each of the diets. Values are given as mean percent one standard error of the mean (s.e.m.) Low energy density s.e.m. High energy density s.e.m. % Fat % CHO % Protein Energy density (kJ=100 g) 21.22 65.40 13.38 357 (0.60) 22.39 (0.91) 65.39 (0.30) 12.22 (14) 629 (0.50) (0.63) (0.50) (18) CHO carbohydrate. within each diet varied, but in each case the ED (per g of food) of the HED version of that food was approximately 1.5±2.0 times greater than that of the LED version of the same food. All foods were homogeneous and of a constant measurable composition. Soft drinks were also available to subjects as diet drinks on the LED and the regular CHO containing versions of the same drinks on the HED diet. The CHO density of the diet was largely altered by using the maltodextrin CHO supplement MaxiJoule (Scienti®c Hospital Supplies Ltd., Liverpool, UK), which was chosen because it has a chain length intermediate between monosaccharides and polysaccharides, and because the solubility of MaxiJoule enables large amounts of CHO to be added to the food without markedly changing the overall appearance of the food. This type and magnitude of covert manipulation would not have been possible using common, normal foods. The order of diets was randomised in a counterbalanced design across subjects. The energy and macronutrient composition of each item of the diet, the diet recipes, menus and instructions for preparation of the foods can be obtained by contacting the authors. Diets were given on a 3 d rotating menu. Each subject had a refrigerator that was ®lled every day with the items on the menu for that day. The previous day's food remains were removed, weighed and recorded. All diets were pre-prepared and only required heating by the subjects using a microwave. A separate freezer contained spare meals which volunteers could defrost and cook in the microwave. Extra snacks could be ordered from the kitchen throughout the day. All main courses were presented in excess in large casserole dishes that typically contained 0.8± 1.0 kg of food. Subjects served themselves from these dishes. They were instructed to replace the remains of all food items not eaten in one of the refrigerator compartments. Should subjects wish to consume a second helping of the same dish at a different time, they were instructed to defrost a new portion from the freezer which contained extras (this took only a few minutes in the microwave). They recorded in a small diary what they ate and when it was eaten. These procedures enabled meal time, size, composition and frequency to be determined. Each subject could select items from their refrigerator at any time of the day or night. Four subjects were engaged in full-time Energy density, carbohydrates and energy intake RJ Stubbs et al employment throughout the study. It was ensured that they could heat and eat their food as they did in the Unit. Subjects completed subjective hunger, appetite and palatability ratings 15 min after each meal, as described by Hill and Blundell.21 There was a minimum washout period of one week between diets, throughout which subjects had access to free food. The subjects entirely determined their own daily activity regimes. Therefore, we did not ensure that physical activity was strictly controlled across treatments, although subjects reported that they did not change their normal routines during the course of the study. The study was approved by the Grampian Health Board and University of Aberdeen Joint Ethical Committee. Statistical analysis Energy, weight and macronutrient intakes were analysed by ANOVA with subject and menu day as blocking factors, diet and run number as factors, and day of run as a covariate. The analysis of the visual analogue ratings was complicated by the large number of missing observations for some subjects. As this may bias the results, a check was conducted for systematic differences in the times of non-response between diets. A logistic regression was performed with binary response, observation or missing value. Terms for subject, diet, time and the interactions between subject and diet, and subject and time were included in the model. The interactions between time and diet and subject, time and diet were then added to the model. After ®nding no evidence for systematic differences in response, average ratings were calculated for each day and these analysed by analysis of variance with factors diet and blocking factor subject. Ratings of pleasantness and satisfaction were analysed by ANOVA with subject as a blocking factor and diet, run, meal and the interactions between them as factors. All analyses were performed using the Genstat 5 package (Genstat 5, Rothampstead Experimental Station, Harpenden, UK). Covert manipulation The 3 d rotating menu was designed so that there would be two versions of each dish corresponding to the two macronutrient manipulations. The success of the covert manipulation was tested by presenting the two versions at once, to members of the Rowett's Human Nutrition Unit staff. They were then told that one of the two versions of each dish was the LED or the HED version. The foods were continually developed until it was dif®cult to differentiate between the two diets. This development necessitated the use of thickening agents and sweeteners in the LED version, and various spices and tastants were added to both diets, in similar proportions, to mask any unusually sweet tastes. Post-study interview con®rmed that none of the volunteers were aware that the diets had been systematically manipulated with reference to the CHO content of the diet. Results Food, energy and macronutrient intakes Table 2 gives average food, energy and nutrient intakes for the two dietary treatments, together with the standard error of the difference (SED), variance ratios and statistical probability for the main treatment effects. Average daily food and drink intakes were Table 2 Average daily food, energy and nutrient intakes for the two dietary treatments, together with the variance ratios and statistical probability for the main treatment effects Food and drink (kg) s.e.m. Water (kg) s.e.m. Solid food (kg) s.e.m. Energy (MJ) s.e.m. Protein (MJ) s.e.m. Fat (MJ) s.e.m. CHO (MJ) s.e.m. Sugar (g) s.e.m. Starch (g) s.e.m. NSP (g) s.e.m. LED HED 3.01 (0.08) 2.47 (0.06) 2.56 (61.67) 8.67 (0.22) 1.17 (0.03) 1.83 (0.05) 5.57 (0.14) 146 (5) 191 (6) 18 (1) 2.77 (0.07) 1.93 (0.05) 2.27 (74.34) 14.82 (0.38) 1.67 (0.04) 3.02 (0.08) 9.79 (0.26) 165 (7) 386 (10) 13 (1) sed Variance ratio (F1,5) Probability 0.125 3.53 0.119 0.06 35.44 0.002 5.87 0.06 0.86 50.74 < 0.001 0.06 77.44 < 0.001 0.12 92.26 < 0.001 0.68 38.46 0.002 30 0.41 0.552 16 163.47 < 0.001 9.16 0.029 119.0 1.6 LED low-energy density; HED high-energy density; sed standard error of the difference; CHO carbohydrate; NSP non-starch polysaccharide 887 Energy density, carbohydrates and energy intake RJ Stubbs et al 888 Figure 1 Mean (s.e.m.) daily intake of food and energy for the six subjects on the two dietary treatments. ANOVA showed treatment effects to be signi®cant for energy intake (El, P < 0.001), but not for food intake (P 0.119). similar across treatments, but approached signi®cance (P 0.06) when analysed without soft drinks (that is, solid food only). EI was thus 1.7 times greater on the HED diet than on the LED diet (Figure 1). Menu-day effects were signi®cant but will not be discussed further. The intakes of fat, CHO (Figure 2) and starch varied considerably between treatments, re¯ecting the dietary manipulations. It is important to note that the program used to calculate dietary intakes, classi®ed MaxiJoule, the maltodextrin supplement, as pure starch. Sugar intakes were similar across dietary treatments. The mean daily intake of non starch polysaccharides (NSP) on the two dietary treatments varied slightly and signi®cantly between diets (Table 2). These differences were unlikely to have been suf®ciently great to contaminate the experimental manipulation. Auto-regulation of intake The regression coef®cient for the effect of the previous day's intake on the following day's intake was 70.17 (F1,143 4.24; P < 0.041), estimating that on average, an increase in EI of 1 MJ resulted in a fall in EI of 0.17 MJ on the subsequent day. There was no differential between the two diets in terms of the Figure 2 Mean (s.e.m.) daily protein, carbohydrate (CHO) and fat intakes for the six subjects on the two dietary treatments. ANOVA showed treatment effects to be signi®cant (P < 0.002). strength of this response (F1,142 0.53; P 0.468). However, the apparent effect of day to day regulation is confounded with the rotating menu day effect. When menu day effects were also included in the regression model, the effect of the previous day's intake on the subsequent day's intake vanished (F1,119 0.53; P 0.467). The same regressions for weight of food eaten yielded a regression co-ef®cient of 0.08 (F1,143 0.93; P 0.338). Diet and day effects were also not signi®cant. Subjectively rated hunger, appetite and perceived pleasantness of the diets There was no evidence of any systematic differences in the timings of completed and uncompleted visual analogue scales between the two diets (X2 96 73:22) Energy density, carbohydrates and energy intake RJ Stubbs et al 889 Figure 3 Mean (s.e.m.) daily hunger (expressed in mm along a 100 mm scale) for the six subjects on the two dietary treatments. ANOVA showed treatment effects to be signi®cant (P < 0.001). and the mean deviance of the logistic model was 1.1304, suggesting that the model gave a reasonable ®t with no need to model over-dispersion. We therefore proceeded as described above with the calculated daily averages. Subjects felt more hungry on the LED diet with a mean rating of 30 mm compared with 26 mm on the HED diet [F1,160 38.28; P < 0.001]. This difference was observed in all six subjects (Figure 3). There was no signi®cant difference in subjectively rated hunger between the two runs (F1,160 2,43; P 0.121). Similar results were observed for desire to eat, urge to eat and prospective consumption. Subjects were less full on the LED diet with a mean rating of 43 mm compared with 45 mm on the HED diet (F1,160 7.62; P 0.006). This difference was observed in four of the six subjects. Subjects were also fuller on the ®rst run, with an average rating of 45 mm compared to an average of 43 mm on the second run (F1,160 5.83; P 0.017). The mean ratings for pleasantness were 73 mm and 72 mm and for satisfaction were 78 mm and 78 mm on the LED and HED diets, respectively. These were not signi®cantly different at the 5% level (F1,392 0.31; P 0.579) and (F1,392 0.21; P 0.645), respectively. Body weight changes Subject 6 was omitted from the analysis of the body weights, as measurements were only reliably recorded on one of the diets, owing to instrument error during one run. However, his patterns of intake and his body weight followed similar general trends to the other ®ve subjects. There was a decrease in body weight on the LED of 0.10 kg=d, whilst on the HED diet, body weight increased at 0.06 kg=d (F1,131 86.60; P < 0.001) (Figure 4), giving total weight changes of 71.40 kg and 0.84 kg, respectively. The slopes were signi®cantly different from zero. The rate of body weight change on the second run was 0.05 kg=d less than on the ®rst run (F1,131 9.07; P 0.003). Figure 4 Mean (s.e.m.) change in body weight, relative to day 1 (set to zero), for ®ve of the six subjects on the two dietary treatments. ANOVA showed treatment effect to be signi®cant (P < 0.001). Discussion The effect of energy density and diet composition on energy intake In previous studies, allowing subjects to feed ad libitum on low, medium and high fat diets (LF, MF and HF, respectively) whose ED increased with percentage fat, led to similar ad libitum food and EI that tended to be proportional to the ED of the diet (for examples, see Refs 6±8). In the `pseudo free living' study using those diets, intakes were almost identical to our calorimeter study at 9.11, 10.32 and 12.78 MJ=d (c.f. 9.02, 10.2 and 12.35, respectively) while expenditures (estimated by doubly-labelled water) were 12.45, 12.10 and 11.97 on the LF, MF and HF diets (c.f. 9.48, 9.53 and 9.78 MJ=d in the calorimeter), respectively. By day 14, mean body weight change was 70.74 kg, 70.51 kg and 0.09 kg on the LF, MF and HF diets, respectively (c.f. 0.2, 0.5 and 0.9 kg by day 7 in the calorimeter, respectively). In the present study, subjects also ate a similar amount of food on each diet, consequently overconsuming energy on the HED diet and underconsuming energy on the LED diet. This effect was stable, with no compensatory change in EI across week 1 and 2 of the study, as demonstrated by the absence of a signi®cant week or diet-week interaction (P not signi®cant (NS) at the 5% level of signi®cance). Variability in food intake As in our previous studies, food intake was constant across days and diets, relative to everyday life.7 ± 14 The weight of food eaten was similar on both diets, but slightly greater on the LED. We believe that it is likely that had the subjects continued to feed on these diets for several months then EI would have gradually increased on the LED diet. Intake may have also gradually decreased on the HED diet. This effect has been observed by Kendall et al,22 over 11 weeks when subjects gradually increased food and EI while feeding on LF, LED diets. The weight of food eaten in Energy density, carbohydrates and energy intake RJ Stubbs et al 890 the present study, on average, was similar to that of previous studies. The values for food intake, given in these results, appear slightly higher, owing to the fact that they also included soft drinks. Without soft drinks, food intake was very similar to those found in previous studies. Evidence of glucostatic or glycogenostatic regulation Mayer's glucostatic theory10 and Flatt's glycogenostatic model12 both predict that the HED diet would have led to a decrease in EI, due to potent negative feedback, which would have increased satiety and suppressed food intake. In this study a large differential in CHO intake and EI occurred on diets where EI should have been well matched to requirements and there was no convergence of EI between the HED and LED diets as each treatment progressed. Thus, covertly increasing the ED of high CHO diets, using maltodextrins, did not have a large effect in limiting excess EI, as predicted by CHO-based models of feeding. However, a mean daily subjective hunger on the HED diet was signi®cantly lower than for the LED diet in all subjects. They also reported verbally that they felt more hungry on this diet, but did not verbally report any corresponding lack of hunger or elevation of satiety on the HED diet. Thus decreasing the ED of a HC diet led to signi®cant, detectable increases in subjective hunger, but not food intake, over two weeks in these subjects. This is of interest because it is known that decreases in prior fat or CHO intake will elicit compensatory increased in EI at subsequent feeding occasions (for example, see Ref. 23). Indeed, the fact that food intake was around 200 g=d greater, albeit non-signi®cantly, on the LED diet may re¯ect an incipient tendency to increase food intake in response to elevated hunger. It is not unusual for the effects of diets to be more accurately detected (in terms of hunger) than responsed to (in terms of food intake) in studies of this nature since subjects are exposed to unfamiliar diets, the composition of which is covertly manipulated. A detailed discussion of the processes underlying this phenomenon is given by Blundell.24 It may therefore be concluded from these present data that increasing the ED of HC diets did not reliably increase satiety or decrease food intake, but that decreasing the ED of the diet elevated hunger, did not increase food intakeÐprobably because of the extent to which the low ED of this diet precluded larger food, and hence energy intakes. These ®ndings are in keeping with a number of data sources which suggest that decreases in CHO oxidation and=or plasma glucose, increase feeding. A small (6±12%) drop in plasma glucose, predicts meal initiation in rodents25 and humans.26 A small infusion of glucose, which blocks this drop, will delay feeding by up to 3 h. Pharmacological inhibition of glucose oxidation increases feeding in rats.27 Post-prandial CHO oxidation correlates negatively with hunger in humans.28 Parenteral infusions of amino acids, glucose or lipid, in rats have been shown to lead to caloric compensation. However the degree of caloric compensation was only complete when amino acids were infused, around 70% for glucose and less than 50% when fat was infused.29 Similar effects have been found in one study in humans.30 It is known that pharmacologically-induced decreases in both CHO and fat metabolism can in¯uence feeding behaviour in rodents.27 There is also new evidence which suggests that the central nervous system (CNS) monitors CHO and fat oxidation separately, but that these signals are integrated in a way which allows the animals to take account of overall fuel statusÐat least in relation to glucoprivic and lipoprivic rodent-based feeding models.31 Thus, there is evidence that under conditions of lipoprivation and glucoprivation decrements in fat and CHO intake and oxidation are detected and compensated for. Increments in fat and CHO intake provide less than complete compensation.32 ± 33 There is no clear physiological reason why excess EI cannot occur when subjects feed on high CHO diets. Humans appear to compensate more accurately for prior decreases in EI than for excess EI. The key question relates to whether diets containing a high density of readily digested and absorbed CHO can promote excess EI in normal-weight subjects feeding ad libitum in everyday life. This question as yet remains unanswered. Limitations of the present results As in most studies of feeding behaviour, there were limitations to the design of this experiment. The study design (and hence conclusions arising from it) was subject to the following constraints: (i) Subjects had ad libitum access to a diet of nearconstant composition on each treatment. Their response, in terms of food intake, could only vary quantitatively, selection of different foods, which vary in composition and=or ED, was precluded. It is probable that, if available to subjects, selection of more energy-dense foods may have occurred in response to ingesting the LED diet, since subjects were aware of being more hungry than on the HED diet. This experimental design may therefore have constrained compensatory responses. (ii) The experimental environment of the Human Nutrition Unit allows great precision and accuracy with respect to dietary intakes and diet formulation, while maintaining (as far as possible) the naturalistic appearance, taste and texture of foods. However these are not common, familiar or `real' foods. Furthermore the ED of the diets range from 357±629 kJ=100, which in absolute terms is a narrow range relative to foods available in the free-living environment. It should not be assumed that the direction and Energy density, carbohydrates and energy intake RJ Stubbs et al magnitude of response that subjects show under these conditions can be directly extrapolated to every day life. This statement holds for all such studies conducted under similar conditions (for example, see Refs 6±8). Many factors, such as sensory variety, nutrient interactions and environmental in¯uences usually associated with eating (for example, social facilitation of intake), are effectively controlled-out of these experiments. Equal attention should be given to studies conducted in more naturalistic environments. (iii) This study was conducted for a very small number of subjects and these results should perhaps be replicated before attempting to extrapolate them to other groups or the general population. (iv) Compensatory feeding responses to dietary manipulations are likely to have a large learned component (for example, see Refs 34±35). Experimental protocols, such as that described in this paper, tend to be designed in a manner that precludes learning (covert manipulation, randomised order of diets). The present study has tested the role of diet induced changes in CHO status, as an unconditioned signal which may directionally in¯uence feeding behaviour and EI. Conditioning cues, which may be important in learning processes that couple feeding behaviour to the postabsorptive consequences of ingesting different nutrients, were controlledout of this experiment. This is potentially important because Booth et al34 have demonstrated that satiety can be associatively conditioned by pairing appropriate cues to CHO ingestion. It is likely that subjects would learn to compensate more rapidly for changes in the ED and composition of manipulated diets, if the manipulations were overtly paired to appropriate learning cues. Ideally, the results of overt and covert manipulations should be compared. Implications of these ®ndings The ®ndings of this study imply that it is possible to consume excess energy ad libitum (at least over periods of two weeks) when the ED of the diet is elevated, by primarily using CHO of a maltodextrin source. Maltodextrin-based CHO supplements should be effective in patients who appetites are not pathologically suppressed. In our opinion, there is no reason at present to assume that the use of shorter chain CHO would have produced a different effect. These results have implications for the use of `lower fat' and `low-fat' foods. Such foods, if high in ED may not be as preventative of weight gain as is often implied. These data do not agree with models of feeding behaviour which suggest that altering peripheral physiology by ingesting foods that are dense in readily absorbed CHO will elevate unconditioned postabsorptive satiety signals, to the extent that they will preclude excess EI. 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