Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology 310 (2011) 464–470 Contents lists available at ScienceDirect Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology j o u r n a l h o m e p a g e : w w w. e l s ev i e r. c o m / l o c a t e / p a l a e o Comments on “Anti-phase oscillation of Asian monsoons during the Younger Dryas period: Evidence from peat cellulose δ 13C of Hani, Northeast China” by B. Hong, Y.T. Hong, Q.H. Lin, Yasuyuki Shibata, Masao Uchida, Y.X. Zhu, X.T. Leng, Y. Wang and C.C. Cai [Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology 297 (2010) 214–222] Martina Stebich a,⁎, Jens Mingram b, Robert Moschen c, Annett Thiele d, Christian Schröder e a Senckenberg Research Institute and Natural History Museum, Research Station for Quaternary Palaeontology, Weimar, Germany Deutsches GeoForschungsZentrum, Dep.5.2, Climate Dynamics and Landscape Evolution, Potsdam, Germany c Institute of Bio- and Geosciences: Agrosphere (IBG-3), Research Centre Juelich, Juelich, Germany d APB-BirdLife Belarus, Minsk, Belarus e Greifswald University Institute of Botany and Landscape Ecology, Greifswald, Germany b a r t i c l e i n f o Article history: Received 15 February 2011 Received in revised form 7 June 2011 Accepted 8 June 2011 Available online 16 June 2011 Keywords: East Asian Monsoon Lake sediments Younger Dryas Late Glacial period Palynology Varves a b s t r a c t In their recent paper, Hong et al. (2010; Anti-phase oscillation of Asian monsoons during the Younger Dryas period: Evidence from peat cellulose δ13C of Hani, Northeast China, Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology 297, 214–222) discuss bulk peat sample cellulose δ13C data from a fen in northeast China as a proxy for East Asian summer monsoon intensity during the Late Glacial period. Based on their own results, cited papers, and an extensive re-interpretation of sedimentological and palynological data from nearby Lake Sihailongwan, ,Hong et al. (2010) construct a hypothesis of contrasting moisture conditions in northern and southern China, with wet conditions in the north during the Younger Dryas period and an anti-phase behaviour of Indian- and East Asian summer monsoon intensity. However, we do not approve of the reinterpretation of our Lake Sihailongwan data by ,Hong et al. (2010) and must strongly reject it. We show here that neither the ,Hong et al. (2010) fen data, nor the Lake Sihailongwan data or any other cited data allow for the sound assumption of an intensified East Asian summer monsoon in northeastern China during the Younger Dryas. The Late Glacial variability of the fen data found by ,Hong et al. (2010) can be easily explained by changes in the plant assemblage down core and thus by the composition of the peat. Furthermore, the use of bulk peat cellulose δ13C data as a precipitation proxy remains unproven for that area. Hence, there is no basis for a model contrasting Indian and East Asian summer monsoons during that period. © 2011 Elsevier B.V. All rights reserved. 1. Background and motivation During the last decade, several papers were published based on stable isotope investigations of extracted cellulose from northeastern Chinese peat bog and fen material for palaeoclimate reconstructions and evaluations of solar–terrestrial linkages Hong et al., 2000, 2001, 2005, and the two in large parts identical papers of B. Hong et al. (2009) and Y.T. Hong et al. (2009). The most recent publication by Hong et al. (2010) presents new δ 13C data from peat cellulose of the Hani mire for the Late Glacial period, with a special focus on the Younger Dryas and the transition to the Holocene. Using the δ 13 C cellulose data as a proxy for precipitation, and in particular for the intensity of the East Asian Summer Monsoon (EASM), Hong et al. (2010) reconstruct a wet DOI of original article: 10.1016/j.palaeo.2010.08.004. ⁎ Corresponding author. E-mail address: [email protected] (M. Stebich). 0031-0182/$ – see front matter © 2011 Elsevier B.V. All rights reserved. doi:10.1016/j.palaeo.2011.06.004 Younger Dryas (YD) and come to the far-reaching conclusion of an “anti-phase oscillation of Asian monsoons during the Younger Dryas period”. We admire the independent approach of Hong et al., 2010 which does not obediently follow widely accepted theories. However, because Hong et al., (2010) extensively discuss data from nearby Lake Sihailongwan (published in Schettler et al., 2006 and Stebich et al., 2009) and re-interpret these data in support of their theory, we feel strongly obliged to comment their paper. As their new find for the YD climate in northern China, Hong et al. (2010) state in the abstract that “Both the peat cellulose record and a pollen record from Lake Sihailongwan sediment indicate an abrupt increase in precipitation in the region during the Younger Dryas period”. Furthermore, in their conclusion they deduce that “Hani peat cellulose isotope and the Sihailongwan lake pollen indicate the same phenomenon, that the climate of the YD cold period in north-eastern China is wet, having increased precipitation.” With respect to Lake Sihailongwan (SHL) pollen and sediment data, the interpretation given by Hong et al. (2010), although almost entirely based on results M. Stebich et al. / Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology 310 (2011) 464–470 published in Stebich et al. (2009), is the opposite of what we concluded. In this paper, we would like to examine the claims of Hong et al. (2010), and discuss them in the context of a wider regional pattern of precipitation during the YD. 2. The supportive evidence selected by Hong et al. 2010 Before presenting and discussing their own data, Hong et al. state that “available knowledge of the EASM during the YD is still quite vague, and that research studies examining lake sediments and loess paleosols have suggested an abrupt strengthening of the EASM during the YD interval (Kelts et al., 1989; An et al., 1993; Wang et al., 1994a, 1994b; Zhou et al., 1996), which means changes in the EASM and IOSM had an anti-phase relationship during this period”. However, available environmental and climate proxy data for the YD period of the East Asian Summer Monsoon region are far from vague or sparse (Hulu Cave, Wang et al., 2001; Dongge Cave, Yuan et al., 2004; Lake Suigetsu, Nakagawa et al., 2006; Kossler et al., 2011, Huguang Maar, Yancheva et al., 2007; Lake Sihailongwan, Parplies et al., 2008 etc.). Contrary to the claims of Hong et al. (2010), there are several papers that provide evidence of a predominantly cool-dry YD period in eastern and northeastern China. Herzschuh (2006) evaluates 75 palaeoclimate records from monsoonal Central Asia, and out of 24 sites with records of the YD in northeastern and eastern China, only three localities show “wet” or “moderately wet” conditions, whereas 21 sites show “moderate dry” or “dry” conditions. New speleothem records from the Qinling Mountains south of the loess plateau show similar Late Glacial features (Zhang et al., 2010) and an increase in summer monsoon intensity at the start of the Holocene (Cai et al., 2010). Most surprisingly, Hong et al. (2010) do not cite the available highresolution pollen data from the Hani mire itself – obviously generated from the same core – which reveals a picture more consistent with pollen data from Lake SHL. Yu et al. (2008) state that “From 12.8 cal ka B.P. to 12.1 cal ka B.P., herbs expanded rapidly and dominated the area, indicating a dryer climate which may be part of the Younger Dryas event”. Upon closer inspection of the literature, the choice of the four papers cited by Hong et al. (2010) is very selective and does not seem to be very supportive of their hypothesis of an increased summer monsoon during the YD period. A closer look at the details of the mentioned papers follows: 1. Kelts et al. (1989) postulate from their Lake Qinghai profile a “seasonal input of melt- or freshwater during a wetter episode from about 12,000 to 10,500 years” and a “stronger seasonal meltwater signal which suggests higher inflow rates”, but refer to their results as preliminary. Their age model is based on dates of 5 occurrences of aquatic Ruppia or algal threads – without discussing the reservoir effect – for the whole profile. The analytical error of these datings results in a 2-sigma range of calibrated ages of more than 1000 years. Later investigations by Ji et al. (2005) estimate the reservoir effect at 1039 years. Based on a multi-proxy approach (which included pollen data as well) Ji et al. (2005) depict two “Colder and more arid phases … possibly corresponding to the Older Dryas and Younger Dryas events in Europe.” 2. From the Baxie section of the southwest margin of the Chinese Loess Plateau, An et al. (1993) find evidence for a “strengthened summer monsoon climate of Younger Dryas age”, but present alternative interpretations as well, based on uncertainties of the age model. Later studies from the same region, including the Baxie section, come to the conclusion that “from 12,800 to ~ 11,700 cal yr B.P. (11,000 to 10,000 14C yr B.P.) … the proxy indicators show the sudden onset of a much colder dry period corresponding to the European Younger Dryas” (Zhou et al. 1999). 465 3. The paper attributed by Hong et al. to Wang et al. (1994a) presents no evidence of increased precipitation during the Younger Dryas at all, but finds instead that “… the record of Younger Dryas event of Hulun Lake is characterised by cold and dry fluctuation”. However, the correct citation of the English paper version must be Wang et al., (1994b) “The Record of Younger Dryas Event in Lake Sediments From Jalai Nur, Inner Mongolia”, Chinese Science Bulletin 39/10, 831–835. The pages given by Hong et al. (2010) for Wang et al. (1994a) contain the Chinese version from Chinese Science Bulletin 39/4, 348–351. But also the original Chinese version concludes a dry and cold Younger Dryas period: “由此可见,呼伦湖的新仙女木事件记 录具有冷干波动的特点” (Wang et al., 1994a). Independently, and based on sedimentology and diatom analyses, Xue et al. (2003) find that in the Hulun Lake basin an “An abrupt lake level drop and dry climatic conditions occurred during 11,200–10,600 (uncal) yr B.P.” 4. Zhou et al. (1996) study two sections in the desert–loess transition zone of central China: the Midiwan section and the Yangtaomao profile. Based on their paleomonsoon proxy records from peat and aeolian sand-paleosol sequences, Zhou et al. (1996) reconstruct a “rapid oscillation from cold-dry conditions (11,200–10,600 14C yr B.P.) to cool-humid conditions (10,600–10,200 14C yr B.P.), followed by a return to cold-dry climate (10,200–10,000 14C yr B.P.)” which means that the climate “of Younger Dryas time in central China thus shows an oscillation from cold-dry to cool-humid to cold-dry conditions”. 3. On the re-interpretation of Lake SHL pollen data by Hong et al. (2010) In their discussion of the Hani mire data, Hong et al. (2010) extensively rely on data from the Lake SHL pollen record published in Stebich et al. (2009) and interpret them in favour of their theory. Most unfortunately, Hong et al. (2010) neither do consider the dynamics of Late Glacial vegetation developments, nor discuss moisture conditions in the context of the Late Glacial temperature changes. Hence we must correct the misinterpretations of our data by Hong et al. (2010) in detail. In their section on the Bølling–Allerød warming period, Hong et al. (2010) cite Lake SHL pollen data as having an increase in “some drought-tolerance taxa, such as Ulmus pumila and Quercus mongolica” in the period between 14,200 and 13,700 cal yr BP. However, in our paper we did not give details on Ulmus or Quercus species, and did not relate Ulmus or Quercus genera to drought tolerance. In fact, the Late Glacial pollen assemblages (Stebich et al., 2009) reveal a mosaic-like occurrence of taiga, cool-coniferous forests, cool-mixed forests, and steppe, indicating a sensitive ecotone situation. Thus, the vegetation shows a series of changes triggered by rapid climate variations. In comparison to the glacial vegetation (Stebich et al., 2007, 2009), the most significant feature of the late-glacial vegetation development is the substantial spread of the (cool-) temperate Ulmus and Fraxinus. Ulmus, which is also an element of the interstadial plant associations, may occur in various biomes (cold-mixed, cool coniferous, cool-mixed and temperate deciduous forests) indicating a heat accumulation of 900–N1200 GDD5 during the growing season and winter temperatures of at least −19 °C (Prentice et al., 1992). Fraxinus, however, is definitely a constituent of cool-mixed and temperate deciduous forests, which requires N1200 GDD5 and coldest-month temperatures of at least − 15 °C (Prentice et al., 1992). Nevertheless, (cool-) temperate trees may grow under colder winter temperatures if sufficient moisture (i.e., snow cover) outweighs the effects of winter temperatures that are normally too cold for temperate trees (up to −26 °C; Mokhova et al., 2009). Consequently, Ulmus and Fraxinus are indicators of warm conditions during the growing season. For the period between 13,700 and 12,700 cal yr BP, Hong et al. (2010) conclude from their δ 13C data that “the EASM has strengthened and rainfall has increased”, and from our Lake SHL data 466 M. Stebich et al. / Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology 310 (2011) 464–470 “vegetation changes that do not correspond to changes in the varve thickness of Lake SHL and the geochemical index during this period”. First, neither we nor Schettler et al. (2006) define a geochemical index for any period of the Lake SHL record. We always discuss multi-proxy data in context. Unfortunately, Hong et al. apply a rather static view of vegetation and do not take into account vegetation dynamics in times of rapid climate change, as during the Late Glacial period. What we state – which perhaps led Hong et al. (2010) to their assertion – is that “in contrast to the documented vegetation change around 13,600 cal yr BP, no corresponding feature was found in the sedimentological, geochemical or isotopic records”. We conclude that this dynamic spread of mixed broadleaf forests at approximately 13,600 cal yr BP was the result of a critical population density threshold reached at that time. Contrary to the (mis)interpretation of our data by Hong et al. (2010), we find a climatic deterioration during the later Allerød, between 13,100 and 12,900 cal yr BP (corresponding to the European Gerzensee Oscillation), with clear expression in the palynological-, sedimentological-, and geochemical data. For the YD period, Hong et al., 2010 state an “increase of wetness” from increased percentages of Larix, Picea, Abies, and Cyperaceae. The transition into the YD is, however, mainly characterised by significant declines of Ulmus and Fraxinus, which gives way to a recovery of boreal woodland. Indeed, Picea and Abies suggest sufficient moisture supply, but the spread of boreal conifers and boreal summergreen trees (e.g., Betula) combined with a decrease of (cool-) temperate elements at the beginning of the YD also indicate lower temperatures during the winter and/or the growing season. Accordingly, the increased percentages of Larix, Picea, and Abies during the YD do not necessarily indicate an intensified summer monsoon. The temperature decrease (i.e., summer temperature) is underlined by higher densities of shrub alder. Under the assumed permafrost conditions, however, there would be an additional supply of soil water from the seasonal snowmelt and soil thawing that could not drain due to the underlying permafrost. Even in arid regions, permafrost soils provide sufficient moisture for tree growth (Bonan and Shugart, 1989). Furthermore, changes in the amount of herb pollen (including Cyperaceae) appear rather weakly in the Lake SHL during the YD, as indicated by the percentage and influx diagram (Stebich et al., 2009). Cyperaceae in particular, which are often used as an indicator of wet conditions, show higher percentages during the last glacial part of the Lake SHL record (Stebich et al., 2009), which can be clearly attributed to the enhanced soil moisture of seasonally thawing ground but not to intensified summer monsoons. Therefore, the herb pollen of the Lake SHL record cannot be used as a substantial argument for the evaluation of the overall environmental change at the beginning of the YD. Also the Lake SHL pollen spectra between 11,700 and 11,200 cal yr BP are far from consistent with those from the YD as stated in Hong et al. (2010); instead, they represent a transitional period from coldadapted, more open YD forest stands towards a dense, Ulmus- and Fraxinus-dominated woodland with a thermophilous, species-rich shrub layer (including Rosaceae). During the second part of this zone, full interglacial taxa begin to immigrate (including Tilia and Juglans). 4. The use of varve thickness and geochemistry of Lake SHL sediments as palaeoclimate proxies For the late-glacial climate amelioration, Hong et al. (2010) relate the increase of varve thickness from Lake SHL exclusively to the “instability of the soil horizon” and an “increase of the erosion effect”. Varve thickness is indeed a valuable environmental proxy, but has to be interpreted in context of prevailing climate, lake type, and sediment microfacies (Brauer et al., 2009). Small boreal lakes receive only little allochthonous supply from runoff, except for spring melt season. Under conditions of colder climates, allochthonous input from runoff can increase dramatically due to less vegetated or even barren soils in the lake's catchment, reduced seepage and increased surface runoff during warm season (e.g. Anderson and Dean, 1988; Zolitschka, 2006). As reported in Schettler et al. (2006) and Stebich et al. (2009), our sediment microfacies investigations are based entirely on petrographic thin sections that cover the complete Lake SHL profile, including the Late Glacial period. These thin sections show a massive increase of seasonal diatom blooms from approximately 14,200 cal yr BP, which cannot be explained solely by unstable soils. Furthermore, thin sections from the last glacial period show a frequent occurrence of graded layers with large amounts of terrestrial plant detritus originating from unstable soils of the lake's catchment — most likely from the surficial summer melting of permafrost soils; but this type of graded layering does not occur frequently during the Late Glacial period, with the exception in some parts of the Younger Dryas. Concordantly, both sediment density and the ratio of Al2O3 to biogenic silica (Schettler et al., 2006) show decreased values, particularly between 14,200 and 13,700 cal yr BP. In contrast, for the increase in varve thickness during the Younger Dryas period, Hong et al. (2010) “consider that an abrupt increase in the rainfall amount would be the first basic dynamic reason” and assume that for the “YD cold period the Hani peat cellulose δ 13C value displayed a continuous and obvious decrease, indicating an increase in the rainfall amount and an increase in intensity of the EASM” which, in their opinion, is “in general consistent with the climatic condition indicated by the pollen assembly of cold-tolerance Betula and hygrophilous Abies, Larix, and Picea, as well as by an obvious increase in varve thickness at Lake Sihailongwan” (Hong et al., 2010). They further assert that “the existence of permafrost may have buffered soil erosion so that a thick varve did not form in the Lake Sihailongwan sediment”. We are not sure as to what Hong et al. (2010) mean by “a thick varve”? In varved lake sediment records, sediment microfacies investigations are usually performed to detect different varve types and their relation to changing environmental conditions, not single varves. Outstanding single layers are mostly event layers, which may indeed provide valuable clues about changes of the palaeo-environment. As shown in previous investigations (Chu et al., 2005; Mingram et al., 2004; Schettler et al., 2006) Lake SHL is a small, closed, groundwater-fed lake with a very small catchment. In recent sediments derived from freeze and gravity cores and in sediment trap samples, by far the most pronounced seasonal allochthonous influx is from ice- and snowmelt in late spring, comprising both local material and, to a larger extent, more distantly originated dust. Permafrost conditions at Lake SHL, contrary to the assumption of Hong et al. (2010), do not hinder soil erosion but increase it due to less dense vegetation on the slopes, and solifluction. We have clear evidence from the last glacial as well as from the Late Glacial period – most relevantly on the YD – of increased local soil erosion, manifested in numerous brownish graded event layers composed mainly of reworked local soil material. After the Younger Dryas period (11,700–11,200 cal yr BP), varves exhibit regular, fine seasonal lamination with clastic spring melt layers and mixed organic–minerogenic summer layers. In comparison to the preceding YD period, varve thickness did not increase for the reason Hong et al. (2010) provide to make the Lake SHL varve data fit their model (“the largest difference is the absence of an obvious increase in varve thickness, which may be related to the low surface temperature and to permafrost which stabilizes the soil”). On the contrary, due to stabilised, non-permafrost soils with denser vegetation cover after the YD period thin, regular varves appear. Under permafrost conditions at Lake SHL, graded layers with reworked soil material frequently occur, which are clearly seen as spikes in the varve thickness data. Fully concordant with palynological and sedimentological data, geochemical investigations of Lake SHL sediments reveal peaks in the dissolved influx of molybdenum and uranium and increased total M. Stebich et al. / Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology 310 (2011) 464–470 organic carbon content at the end of the YD period, clearly indicating climatic amelioration with increased groundwater inflow (Schettler et al., 2006). 5. The nature of δ 13C signal and the relationship to changes in regional vegetation For their interpretation of the δ 13C signal, Hong et al. (2010) imply stable peat composition over time, but detailed botanical macroremain studies of other cores from the Hani mire prove a strong variability in the species composition that the peat is derived from, particularly in the lower part formed during the Late Glacial period, where brown moss peat occurs (Schröder et al., 2007; Thiele et al., 2008). Fig. 1 illustrates the local vegetation change at two different parts of the fen since the Late Glacial, indicating a change in water origin rather than monsoon driven wetness change. Moreover, even if one assumes a monospecific Carex composition, the recent δ 13C Carex data from the Hani mire (Hong et al., 2005) show a variation of more than 3‰. Consequently, almost all of the variability of the δ 13C time series shown in Fig. 2B of Hong et al. (2010) could be explained solely by isotopic differences between different Carex taxa. If we assume a change in plant composition as observed by Thiele and Schröder (2007; zone Hani-D, ca. 6.40–7.40 m, with up to 80% Calliergonella cuspidata, which has δ 13C of 27.55‰, representing the lowest δ 13C value of the recent Hani mire vegetation measured by Hong et al., 2005), even the most extreme values of the Δδ 13C graph can be easily explained without any change in environmental conditions (which, of course, may have influenced peat composition change). From another core taken near the centre of the Hani mire, Yamamoto et al. (2010) investigate compound-specific carbon isotope ratios of leaf-wax n-alkanes and revealed vegetational change as the most likely cause for isotopic variability from 14.9 to 13.2 kyr and 12.7 to 11.6 kyr. Hence, different lines of evidence show large changes in plant communities of the Hani mire during the Late Glacial period, and the assumption of a “relative stability of the floristic composition” by Hong et al. (2010) must be dismissed. 13 467 temperature or CO2 concentration might have played a major role in the relative competition of C3 and C4 vegetation …, hence the carbon isotopic composition in paleosols and lake sediment sequences.” Aiming at a palaeovegetation reconstruction, Wang et al. (2008) find the expected negative correlation between the δ 13C value of C3 plants and annual precipitation for arid and semi-arid regions of northern China but used bulk organic matter, not cellulose. Moreover, Wang et al. (2008) state the importance of δ 13C changes in soil organic matter during decomposition, with continued 13C-enrichment in deeper horizons as well. Hong et al. (2003), although they analyse both bulk peat material and Carex mulieensis from the Hongyuan peat bog core (eastern Tibetan Plateau), provide no data on a relationship between precipitation and plant cellulose δ 13C-data of the studied material; they refer instead to a general, summarised relationship between both humidity and air temperature and the δ 13C of C3 plants. Finally, they consider their record as a proxy of the combined effects of humidity and temperature. Hong et al. (2005) again provide no data on a relationship between precipitation and the plant cellulose δ 13C-data of the studied sequence, but refer to Hong et al. (2001, 2003) with the general statement that “the stable carbon isotope composition of peat plant cellulose can be served as a proxy indicator for the Asian summer monsoon activity. The smaller δ 13C value indicates the stronger activity of the summer monsoon or the moister-warmer climate condition in the monsoon region. On the contrary, the larger δ 13C value indicates the weaker activity of the monsoon or the dryer-colder climate”. Both papers investigate Holocene peat sections, assume only minor variability in peat composition and refer to general relationships between the δ 13C of C3 plant cellulose and precipitation without any regional or local data verification. Furthermore, and contrary to Hong et al. (2010), they relate plant cellulose δ 13C data to Asian summer monsoon strength in general without distinguishing between temperature and moisture effects. 7. On δ 18O and temperatures 6. On δ C and rainfall Hong et al. (2010) state a direct and linear relation between bulk peat cellulose δ 13C data and rainfall amount, but no proof is given for the assumed relation between δ 13C bulk peat cellulose data and EASM precipitation amounts for northeastern China. Interestingly, F. Oldfield (2001) has already called for such proof for the use of δ 18O data from the nearby Jinchuan peat bog (Hong et al., 2000, 2001) as a proxy for air temperature. In his reply to the comment by F. Oldfield on Hong et al. (2000), Hong (2001) argues that the resolution of peat samples is insufficient to calibrate stable isotope data with meteorological data and give preference to “well-known climate events with climatic information derived from archaeological and historical records”. In their study, Hong et al. (2010) do not provide any kind of calibration or comparison with local meteorological or historical data. Instead, they attempt to substantiate the assumed relationship between the δ 13C bulk peat cellulose data and precipitation based on four citations: Lee et al. (2005), Wang et al. (2008), and Hong et al. (2003, 2005) and the above-cited and mis-interpreted Lake SHL data. Based on their investigations along a semi-arid to arid transect, Lee et al. (2005) find that “the carbon isotope composition of bulk organic matter in sediment sequences should be a dependable proxy for precipitation in the Holocene.” For the Late Glacial period, however, Lee et al. (2005) state that “There have been dramatic changes in temperature and atmospheric CO2 concentrations during glacial and interglacial transitions. The combination of the climatic parameters in central East Asia may have been quite different from that of presentdays. Therefore, at the glacial–interglacial temporal resolution, For the transition from the YD to the Holocene, Hong et al. (2010) state that for the period between 11,700 and 11,200 cal yr BP “the Hani peat δ 18O record shows an obvious cooling of the temperature.” We do not wish to discuss the δ 18O data in detail here but refer again to the comment by F. Oldfield (2001) on the paper by Hong et al. (2000) on the Jinchuan mire, which we think is entirely valid for the Hani mire δ 18O data as well. Hong et al. (2010) use the cellulose δ 18O data on bulk peat samples published by Y.T. Hong et al. (2009) and the nearly identical paper of B. Hong et al. (2009) as a proxy for air temperature. They do not give any proof for the relation between Hani mire δ 18O data and local or regional air temperature variations. Furthermore, the measured recent δ 18O data on two different modern Carex species already differ by approximately 4.5‰ (although it is not specified whether whole plant or plant cellulose data are given by B. Hong et al. (2009) and Y.T. Hong et al. (2009)). The evidence cited by Hong et al. (2010) of a link between the EASM and the North Atlantic ice rafting debris (IRD) events comes from an earlier publication of data from the Hani mire by Y.T. Hong et al. (2005) with reference to Bond et al. (2001) for the IRD events. Later works on the North Atlantic did not support the existence of one pervasive cycle of IRD events during the Holocene but instead found different modes of IRD variability (Moros et al., 2006; Andrews et al., 2009) and a “minimum sea-ice cover from 11,500 to 6000 cal years BP” (De Vernal and Hillaire-Marcel, 2006). The second reference cited by Hong et al. (2010), to Schettler et al. (2006), is invalid because there are no IRD events or IRD-related monsoonal variations mentioned in that paper. 468 M. Stebich et al. / Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology 310 (2011) 464–470 Fig. 1. Time-dependant compositional variability of the Hani mire. a) Lithology and age–depth profile according to Zhou et al. (2010). b) Lithology and macrofossil analysis according to Thiele et al. (2008). Simplified macrofossil diagram, data according to percent by volume or (n) absolute occurrences. Explanation of macrofossil zones: A — terrestrialisation of the water body; former water body is indicated by remnants of Nuphar spec. seeds, terrestrialisation by Menyanthes trifoliata seeds and Potentilla palustris nuts; B — brown moss peat, Calliergonella cuspidata stems/leaflets, indicating the formation of initial percolation mire (shaded); C — zone of disturbance with sand layer allowing connexion to the profile of Zhou et al. 2010; D — radicel peat of percolation mire, mostly formed by sedges; E — radicel-sphagnum peat, increase of Sphagnum remnants, Eriophorum vaginatum cataphylls and others imply acidification and decrease of groundwater supply. M. Stebich et al. / Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology 310 (2011) 464–470 8. Notes on age model and resolution of the Hani peat and Lake SHL sediment records Hong et al. (2010) base their age model on distinct AMS 14C dates with linear interpolation between them. The reported 1σ uncertainty range of the inferred calibrated ages for the Late Glacial period (samples HA9 to HA14) is 500 years on average (min. 172 years, max. 673 years), which would allow for larger shifts of the data and correlations with other zones from neighbouring sections such as Sihailongwan. Moreover, Hong et al. (2010) use only 1σ age ranges and seem to use an individual selection of calibrated ages from the whole uncertainty range for some dates, e.g., for sample HA9 the youngest age possible (10,745 cal yr BP from a 1σ range of 11,163– 10,745) and for sample HA13 an older age (13,138 cal yr BP from a 1σ range of 13,171–12,999). Also problematic is the apparent spacing of their data. Samples HA10 and HA11 are only 5 cm apart from one another in profile depth but show an age difference of 693 years. On the contrary, samples HA11 and HA12 are separated by 35 cm but show nearly identical ages. Consequently, in their Fig. 2B, Hong et al. show only one data point between HA11 and HA12, and this is by far the most outstanding negative excursion of their δ 13C data series. The Sihailongwan age model is more robust because it is based entirely on varve counts corrected by a factor of 1.0622, which is derived from the deviation of varve chronology when compared to 14 C-chronology based on 40 calibrated AMS 14C dates (Schettler et al., 2006; Mingram et al., 2009; Stebich et al., 2009). Because of the use of continuously varved sediments as a basis for the age model, only very small internal age shifts are possible. 9. Conclusions To summarise, we do not approve of the re-interpretation of our Lake SHL data by Hong et al. (2010) and must strongly reject it. We also disagree with the view of Hong et al. (2010) of a regional division into a wetter YD in northern China and a drier YD in southern China, which in our opinion is based on re- and misinterpretations of cited papers and unvalidated (without any modern calibration) use of bulksample cellulose δ 13C as a precipitation proxy. Therefore, we see no need to discuss their far-reaching conclusions on the evolution of the Chinese monsoon during the Late Glacial period. In fact, there is a clear need for further high-resolution multi-proxy studies and the development of new proxies, which should lead to improved and/or new models of palaeoclimate change with an enhanced focus on regional to local developments. Moreover, interpretation and correlation of palaeoclimatic records requires a more critical consideration of the age models and the climate/proxy relationship and proxy data interpretation. On the other hand, developing new models from data of bulk samples of unknown composition, with neither sufficient time controls nor proven climate/proxy relations, is perhaps not the required step forward. Instead, there is a need for the preliminary step of demonstrating the relationship between precipitation changes and the cellulose δ 13C data on widespread moss- and higher plant genera (namely Carex) from peat bogs. Unfortunately, this is a laborious task that will probably not lead to easy and fast rewards, but a first step has been already been taken for Sphagnum mosses. Today, we know that the separation of bulk Sphagnum plant remains from peat samples is inadequate for tracking past environmental and climate change because a significant offset between the stable isotope compositions of different Sphagnum plant components has been observed in modern and sub-fossil Sphagnum plant material (Loader et al., 2007; Moschen et al., 2009). 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