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Eepl-ying t o t h e d e b a t e on tlie i n t e r n a t i o n a l s i t u a t i o n
I
in t h e Rajya Sabha y e s t e r d a y (23.9.64)
the Minister f o r External
Affairs, S a r d a r Swarm S i n g h s a i d :
''1am e x t r e m e l y g r a t e f u . 1 t o t h e hon. Members who have
given such c a r e f u l thought t o t h e v a r i o u s a s p e c t s o f Our f o r e Q n
p o l i c y i n t h e course of t h i s d e b a t e .
'
I f I am r i g h t , I ihir.k,
f o r t h e f i r s t t i x e n e ,i n t h i s august IIouse, t h e d e b a t e on f o r e i g n
a f f a i r s h a s l a s t e d f o r t h e number of h o u r s t h a t it h a s l a s t e d
on t h i s occasion.
level
if debate
I am a l s o v e r y happy t o say t h a t t h e g e i l e r a l
.
has been v e r y h i g h &
v a - r i o u s a s p e c t s of o u r f o r e i g n p o l i c y .
Ron. Members have examined
They have coinmented upon
c e r t a i n g e n e r a l and gu-iding p r i n c i p l e s t h a t gov o n o u r r e l ~ t i o sn
w i t h o t h e r c o u n t r i e s , s l d tiley hav? a l s o g i v s n v a l u a b l e colnmonts
on some of t h e irrr~zediateproblems of more o r l e s s n a t i o n a l i n t e r e s t
i n r e l a t i o n t o sorne or" t h e o t h e r c o u n t r i e s ,
n
J-here ii one a s p e c t about which t h e r e a p p e a r s t o be n e a r
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u n a n b ~ i i t y i n t h i s IIouse; t h a t i s t h e p o l i c y of non-aliginnent.
I wish I could omit t h e tmrd ' n e a r ' i n t11e e x p r e s s i o n ' n e a r
u n a n i m i t y ' tha.t
I used.
The o n l y d i s c o r d a n t v o i c e i n t h i s r e s p c c t
was t h a t of t h e d i s t i n g u i s h e d Member ~ k spoke
~ c on behalf of t h e
Swatmtra Party,
The way lie had s t a r t e d , when he t r i e d t o
d i s t i n g u i s h t h e p o l i c y of non-alignment and t r i e d t o say t h a t
c o n t r a non-alignment i s n o t n e c e s s a r i l y alignment.
.
I thought
we had succeeded fil ~ r i n n i i l gu n i v e r s a l support f o r t h e p o l i c y of
But as h a s been p o i n t e d o u t by some hon. Members, he
s t a r t e d w e l l and I t;iou.ght t h a t he I a s going t o p u t forward
.,,
sugge st ion
some
suggestion dier re by t h i s p o l i c y of non-alignment
,
without being abmdon,.d, could be p r o j e c t a d i n a form vriiich
might nit his y a r d s t i c k also.
u s again i n d i g n m e n t .
B u t u n f o r t u n a t e l y , he l a ~ ~ d c d
3ut t h c f a c t i s n:i
h i n s e l f saw v i r t u e
in si;icking t o a p o l i c y which, according t o h i s o m concept,
could g i v e u s independence of a c t i o n , could g i v c us t h e r i g h t
t o f u n c t i o n i n ou.r b z s t i n t e r e s t s , minhibtecl by m y p a c t s or
p o l i c y of non-alignment.
n o t l a t e r on stated t h a t
I rsish he h2d stopped t h a r e a d
'I.E
s i ~ o u l dent 2r i n t o a l l i a n c e s of a
military c h a r a c t e r o r any otlier c h a r a c t z r kii-til c e r t aivl o t h e r
comtries,
lto,rl-alignment has stood thz t s s t of time.
I can brill a p p r e c i a t e t h a t f e e l i n g l2;e t h a t can a r i s e when cn
g e t s worried and overwiiel;i?sd by sornt? i m e d i a t c problems,
l e t u.s not f o r g e t t h a t irilmcdiate and p r e s s i n g probleills
But
CVCE
crknot
be s a t i s f a c t o r i l y t a c k l e d u n l e s s ve s t i c k t o czfrrect p o l i c k s ,
&id tile rmro I t h i n k of i t , both in t h c short run as 1trs11 as
i n t h e long-term p2riodm2thc're i s no.doubt in my m b d t h 5 t t.he
p a l i c y . ~ ~ : ~ n m - d i g n r n o rand
t t pe a c a f u l co-exist en ce t h a t our
counhry has pursue'd over t h e years m d c r the irlspirG'1g g u i d m c c
of o u r l e a d e r P m d i t J a i ~ a i i a r l a lIJchru, i s t h e s n l y corrc e t p o l i c y
b o t h l r o m our n a t i o n a l point of
peace
. v i m as &so f o r preserving
Llle world m d l o r 1owi.rir.g t e n s i o n s , both of ~ h i c l ?a r e
v o r y d e s i r s b l e o b j e c t ives,
I n the p u r s u i t of t h i s p o l i c y o c c a s i o n s can a r i s e when
t h e r e n i g h t be sogning c o n f l i c t s and a p p a r e n t d i f f i c u l t i c s ,
\&en we-look a t a problem t h a t
r
I an c o a s c i o u s o f t h a t $act
~ ~ i g hbat i;;ii,~eciiately il; o u r i1a16.s0
..
.
.,.,'.
;
and 1 n L i a has nad. t o f z t ? ,sl~-cI'~
s i t u a t i o n s on many o c c a s i o n s ,
dif'f:c~i.l';i:2s o r co!q)lica.tioils,
I ~ d i as t u c k 'Lo Ziiis p o l i c y r e s o -
l u ~ ; e l : 335
~
in r e t r o s p e c t o n s can s a y w i t h colnfidenclz t h a t t h e
p o i n t oP view of
.
nacionl3;L p r e s t i z e as a l s o f r o n t i i s p o i n t of view
.
On
i:~CUly
0cc z s i o i l s I i l d i a ' s vcjice did. s u c c e e d i n p r e v e n t i n g
tile a s c ~ l a t j ~ oof
n ~ o n f l i ~ ai ;d ~i22d pi- eveneed a conr'lagr z t i o n which
;:iight havz onguli'ed LLre ;,vorld 315 riighr; h a v e crza-Ged sue11 a bad
situation as iioulci. hava not o n l y kndai?2ei.ed p e a c e amongst t h e
hex
US
not
i73r<3t cnac
id^ i s no% m i r e l y a satisfaction tllart
t h e w0r-u i s sa17c~--i;he r i z o u r s a d pa:gs
of i ; h ~3ra;edy
oT a ; n e d
c o n r ' l i c ~ s , t h o u g h t l i a t 5,; i - ~ s s l fi s a r e b i z d i n g t h i n g .
i;lore
Zron o u r owj p c . i n t of vidw
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e1l[;.a2eci as Lie
5"r u.s
ii.12
In this
,
i3'3
t a s k of a i v a n c i n g o u r c o u n t r y , ~ c o n o i i i i c a l y , engaged
t h e mighty t a s k o f r . a i s i n g :;is
But i t i s
as we a r e i n
i i v i g g standards of our psople,
p r a s e r v a z l o n 5' ;3.?ace, t h e p T c v e n t i o n of war,
zre
n o t rnarzly i ~ u d a b ol b~ j e c t i v e s , b u t I n our o ~ j nj a t i o n a l i n t z r z S t s ,
i t i s v w j r n e c e s s a r y t h a t .~hai:z silould b e p e a c e i n t l i e world s o
t h a t an u n d e r - a s v e l o p e d coun-Lry l i k e I n d i a
iilq
be a b l e t o p u r s u e i t s
e f f o r t s Tor econor~iic axid i n d u - s t r i a l stdvanceiiient and na)r be $ale t o
raise tho
l i - a i ~s ~
i
m d ~ a so f our p e z y i e ,
dl of u s , and verjr
niucn s o , -6ilis Bouse, a r e c o n s e r o u s of 'the g r e z c and iioavy bur d e n s
we l-iaxe i;o
C ~ T ~ Ti nJ -Lilis
uevciop.iilent
r i l i l l i o n s o f p e o 2 l e wiiou we
have
the
p r o g r c s s of t l i e
r e s p o l ~ s i b i l i t yand t h e
privilege, ,,..,
.
privilszz
s c r ~ ~ i n g . It i s r;il?relora of iniilgdiate i n t 6 r e s t t o
3f
u s t o ~ 2 e ' t h a ; ' it h ~ r ei s p a w e
iii
- ~ h sm r l d and C~IEL'C zs~iied c o n f l i c t
i s avoided s o t l ' i ~ 5 ehc uader-devaloped c o u n t r i e s might be a b l e to
make
i>POpSSS
a d idaet soue o f ehe
V E L ~ ; 2ress.Ling
~
delilands of t h e
m i l l i o n s 02 p a o p l e l i v i n g i n t h ~ 3 0as%.
rC is fiuize i n ~ e r a s t i n ;tl-i~t
~
xhare i s c r i t ~ c i s no f a mild
J'
cizwmt er o f this p o l i c y whici?, by
l a r g e , i s acc a p t 2 6 by a l l
md if I n a y ven"iur*t: 3 suzil;estion, soi::e
s e c t i o n s of tile House.
o f t h e s z tLlild c r i t i c i s r s frofi! eltiler s i d e have t n e r e s u l t sf
.
rautuaJ.1)- e m c e l l i n & ew11 o ~ h d~ I I U ~3 m e l e 2 t w i t h t n e h a ~ dc o r e
and he s u b s c m c e of t h e p r o p o s i t i o n t h a t t a e r a i s almost c o i ~ p l ~ t e
ai;razrnenZ t h a t t h i s i s %he p o i i c y
Gh2:
*GJG s n o u l d
pursue.
Soas or" chese c r i t i c i s i . - s t ~ l j t u a l l yL?r,s;ier r3wn othsr m d one
p e t s f o ~ c i r " i 3 dir! iiie kslie; i , - ! ~ t r;i;t?
3
q p e m s t o b e h & c o r r ~ c ttnin2,
as a m a t i ~ roi s u r p r i s e that
t h o u g h t i-; fit t o
SLY
J U ~ S U ~ Lof
t h i s policy
Fiavinz s k i d t h i s , It c a ~ et o
Fe
sol:is hon, Mai302rs s110uld have
s h c t t;la s o l i c y a p p e z s t o b e t n e c o r r e c t
one, bul; s o n l h o v o r o t h e r , i n c h ~i i r ; l e a e n t a c i o n of t h i s -~ o i i c y ,
we are l a ~ ~ i cbeilind
g
or. tha;
we a r e noz coning up t o t h e cri'ci c:'
o r coiiu,si~tatorsl e ; q e c t a t i o n s ,
I
~ ~ a l;lopin:
l j ~
' i . ~ x"i1d
sa;e
cancra t e r-lun t i o n 23oa.t
Gupta, s ~ a T ; c t hi i s cos:.idnc so;;e;~iia% on i n o s a lines m d t h e p o i n t s
th;lt
ansxer
i,lgntiorled r a z l l y
.
r . 0 ~i n s 1;m e z:,
ill;~=ort=t J
LIT.:
bile
O ~ ~ G Sxhicil
I c m s3par2jCely
Co;~~,..onwed-~n
P r l n z Minist er s C c n f er cilce
outcouc; ~ r t" h a Co~,~~aonwe;;Lzli
p r lcic i f i i i ? i~~ c r i s Lonf di-nnce o r ona ci.
two ot12sr r,.rl;tcrs jut 1 ail t o s;.c
p o l i c y o f 2on-align;aant,
r ,'
in-il he s a i d
t h e c o n n e c t i o n between %he
GGZ
vs shou-ld p u r s u e it
Glora vi$drously and he z l s o gas sood 220u3il t o
8SSUiilr' 6h2 P O ~ Qof
4-
an examiner and h e thought tha'c
t o a t i i i r d c l a s s pass.
answer books.
lily
paper would e n t i t l e ue hardly
This was his comliiel?te
I have a l s o a;:axined
I do not ki20w whether Pir, i3ilupesh Gupta has ever
done s o but i f one examines tile aaswer books o f t h e examinees, one
i s supposed t o be w r y very i i ~ l p a r t i a land we never bring our ovm
p r 2 d i l e c t i o n s i n judging che aalswers chat a r e given,
SO, 1 w o ~ l d
have g l a d l y accepJr;ed h i s v e r d i c t i f he had r e a l l y come forward
a r e a l l y independent e x m i n e r bu.t i f clie examiner himself has
p r e j u d i c a s , then liowsoever good may b e tlie r e p l y , I can well i r n q i n e
t h a t I w i l l not g e t tile nurizbsr of marks t h a t I doserve.
1
.
21&U&ii
d 2
:
You deserve s e v e n t y f i v e p e r c e n t .
Sirl&d< S.ITu'GH:
I do n o t know but it i s some s a t i s f a c t i o n tliat
he d i d not decide t o a c t u a l l y P a i l me.
which i s good.
So, t h a t q a i n is something
8ven i f a pra judiced examiner can g i v e me pass i-na;rks
t h e n I am s u r e t h a t an unprejudiced :xarniner,
when he s i t s down and s e e s
t h e answer p a p e r with be d i s p a j s i o n a t e q p r o a c h t h a t norma;Lly
examiner is e;cpected t o bring t o bcas I am s u r e a few more marks w i l l
4 be ungrudgingly given,
It i s t r u e , and I am f u l l y conscious o f t h e f a c t , t h a t we have
i n t h i s fiouse
always had tile % r e a t p r i v i l e g e of hearing t h e e q ~ o s i -
t i o n on i n t e r n a t i o n a l aspoc ts Trorn such a g r e a t leader and sucli a
g r e a t a u t h o r i t y as t h e l a t e Jawziiaslal ldehru,
?or anyone on this
s i d e , on these benches o r on t h e opposition benches o r , if I may
add, a3.ilost anywhere 1n -the world, t o r'ind a scatesaan, t o f i n d a
l e a d e r and to f i n d a person of t h a t i n i m i t a l ~ l echarm t h a t Jawahwlalji
possesSed i s
sonlethi'ng which
Lie
cannot e a s i l y hope
It i s only
once i n a generation t h a t a psrson of Jawaharlal's s t a t u r e i s availabla in
aYly
p a r t of t h e - a ~ o r l dand a l l of us have been accustomed
to h ~ w
I r o ~ hiin
l
edempore pronouncenents on t h e most i n ~ r i c a c eof
zhe world problerils.
He had l i v e d with most of t h o s e psoblems.
He
il& shap~CLs o w of Xliose proble~;ls,
He had t h e unique opportu.ni.ty
o f couink i n t o contact w i t h he a o s t d i v e r s e cross-sections of
opinions., ,,,
Siiri Snm di w
~
p
o p i n i o ~ sii? 'Lhq world;
t
ii?
d
,
Goveri?;aant
;;ld
o u c s i d a t h e Government,
dvbn b 2 f r.tA- - e ha beeaxe thc? 5 r i i l e Iviinistdr, hc! threw
l i z n t on the
i n t e r n z % i o n d - situatlicn i n t i l e Congrass sc.ssions, a i d elsewhere,
In f a c t , %he p o i i c y t h a t ha gave t o t h e country after we beczie
i n d e p a d s n t was t h e c o n - t i m a i c n of U s piiilosophy and h i s %noughts
wnich rj&Liy iisd b
h s l;ci
t;ld
~ iiizh
~ nhia i o r twentyfive or t h i r t y years when
c a m t r y i n che s'zrugglz f o r inas;;,n~enca against t h e
3ritIsh.
;hirefore,
f o r m y roan
LO
p r e t e n d tnat any pdrson can e;press,
M-ith ha same l u c i d i t y , w i t i z che s m - e cznssx;;nzs: r2itd y i t h t h z s c L e
authority a?ci confidence, o;inio;~s on world i s s u a s w i l l 32 a f u - ~ i l ~
It r ~ i l lb e i d l a f o r my
task,
c i a
t o z a l k Like t h s t and futile to
p r e - c ~ n dliii,ai,
Thurti'ore, ii' t l l ~i s she c r i t i c i s a a d if 'chat i s t h e
b a s i s or! t:iiich
I was givei: a xLlizd c 1 s s p a s I p l e a t h a t
it w i l l
naver be !iiy p r d e e n s i o n tiis-t . 1 can d c ~azjizning wilicii m i g h t evt3n c o z e
; c e n o ~ ; \ i ya e a r that ~ n i m i t a b lwzy
~ il? which ou? l a t e rC2~reced
11;?2il~?~
used t o fiilt &cross fihuse i & < z s ,
I hsve ~ ~ y s c j l w
i ' ~ t c h a db i n hcra2
p l d a s u r a bscause t h e r s w a s v i g o u r , c h 2 r 2
snd in
-
i ine
*1
~1:dosi;
b:?~t
'sf.?
d i i ~i r c s L i i l e ~ s
of a ~ ~ r ~ ~ c ] : .
avery s?~;.echh e ' i ~ r o k anew ground.
It is f o r t h first
~
cL&-
m e h w i n z t l - i i ~deiy& e k i t h o u t t h a c zr.e&t ligizt wiiicl~
illun-i,i?ad s o 3 2 of he dzrkes t c o r n w s a d ~~L'lich
g a v s u.s cheer uvon
a l l round,
~ihei: t h e y s iJ% c l e p r e s ~ l o : r / ~ " '
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,t;i~z?~e
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chalked ov.t
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q dm
md
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EdtrEys
;rO'tppzed
t n e ilmd .&ld
i ; ~
,de should Xry t o z ~ t
lol?gur w i t h us.
md t r y t o s-cecr a coarse x h i c h k e q s us
Z
~
pursuit
r,he
ol
well
he~ litxi
L
l a d dowr! and should t r y to
in shz b a s t p o a ; i > l e warier
ill
;;ar ..&(ls
~ ~ m
,c ~frat.!
a ; t ~ get i i ~ alines t h s t ha had
within zhc b r o a politics
p u r s u e thar:
110
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Xila
1 a ~ e Pr iliie
ii!
our own nations i n t e r e s t
highest
dinister
id3aJ.s
,
that
Jaw&arlal
ljehril,
-
7
-
. .. . .
SHRI STIJAR!JT SI~G,Kt
S ,SFETCB CCI'TTD. ,
The Com~onw?nlthPrime 7Tini(;tersf Conference
mentioned
br?s
by hon. Members froin t h o~ p ~ o q i t i o nbenche? and a l s o by my
colleaque.; on t h i ~ id^,
I t 3 0 u p h t t h s t ~ ~ t t eh er v e r y d e t d l e d
s t a t e m e n t t h ? t o m 3rir'1q h b i n i s t e r m3de on t h i s p o i n t t h e r e would
bc no room
for
And we should n o t
/ ? n y f t r t h c r convent o r c o n t r o v e r s y .
u n n e c e s s m i l y be touchy about t h i n g s snd should n o t r ~ 9 di n t o t h e
communique ahy conce2t which i s n0.t r p a l l y n o t t h e r e .
Our p a r t i c i p a -
,
t i o n i n t h e Con;lonlt~ee.lth? r i n e ~ f i n i s t e r s 'Conf nrence w a ~ I f e e l ,
quite effective.
Our r c p r ~ s , e _n> . t ~. , $ ir~w;.ds
. ~ e a f u l l - 2nd e f f e c t i v e
'.:.
c o n t r i b u t i o n i n t h 3 d i s c u s s i o n s i n accordance w i t h t h e p o l i c i e s
2nd p r o g r ? m , e s o f t h e Governpent of , I n d i q .
I n t h e r e v i e w of t h e
world s i t u a t i o n , f o r e x a ~ p l e ,o u r d e l e g g t i o n s t r e s s e d t h e s i g n i f i c r n c e
of developments i n t h e world s i t u s t i o n i n f a v o u r of peace, t h e
r e l a x a t i o n of t e n s i o n between and the U.4-.A.
and t h e f l a 9 , S . R . ,
maintenrnce of world peace qnd g e n e r a l 2nd c o ~ p l e t ed i s a r r n a ~ e n t2 s
dist3anguished f r o n t h e b e l l i c o s e
of China.
grid
a g g r e s p i v e a t t i t u d e and a c t i v i t i ~ s
!s r e f e r e n c e s h2ve been m?de by
Prime t 4 i n i s t e r s i n t h e
SOi'iF!
c o n t e x t of t h e 1 3 t t e r . to t c n s i o n s i n qouth and Touth E a s t % i a 7nd the
need f o r g r e a t e . r c o - o p e r ~ t i o n.and u n d e r q t m d i n g between th.e c o u n t r i e s
i n South and South S p s t A s i r i n c l u d i n g I n d i , j and ' P a k i s t ~ n ,t h e I n d i a n
in
Finance l l i n i s t e r while p o i n t i n g o u t / t h e d i s c u s s i o n s t h e import8nce
of ma1 n t a i n i n g t h e convention t h ~ itn t e r - c o a m o n w b l t h d i f f e r a n c e s
Should n o t be d i s c u s s e d s t r e s s e d I n d i r f s ne5d f o r n e c f s s ~ r ydefence preP s r e d n e s s t o c o n t a i n .the Chincse t h r e a t along I n d i - i f s b o r d e r s .
.
The
.
I n d i a n DFI-egation f u l l y s u p p o r t e d mansure4 t o end t h e a p a r t h e i d
p o l i c i e s of South ?bf?ica, e 3 r l y l i q u i d q t i o n of F o r t u g u e s e c o l o n i a l
domination i n F f r i c r n t e r r i t o r i e s , speedy e v o l u t i o n o f B r i t i s h
cofionial t e r r i t o r i e s t o indeppndnnce on t h e bpsi.; of ma j o r i t y r u l e
n
m u t h e r n R h o d e ~ i a3s w e l l a s i n o t h e r a r e 3 s l i k e S r i t i s h Guinea,
On t h i s q u e s t i o n t h e Le3der
oC
the I n d i a n D e l e g p t i o n , S h r i T O T O
Krishnamachrri. mad:? n v e r y c l e a r s t a t e m e n t on hi? r e t u r n t o I n d i a
.... ..,t h a t
,
in
t h a t t h e Iqdo-Fa4i.s t a n d i f i f l c r ~ n c e sW E T ~n o t d i ~ c u s s e d
and t h r t Xsshrir was n o t d i s c u q s ~ d . I t h7s been
.
-
pointed o u t by s o ~ ehcn, ?,+rc'c~rst h a t soae Pzless
r e p r e s e n t a t i v e from t h e F a k i s t m D e l e g ~ t i o nm ~ d e
a s t a t e n e n t t o t h e Tress c o ~ i n gout of the
conference roorr. wheke he ( ; a i d t h r t Kaqhnir had
been d i s c u s s e d and t h a t tkr Kashrir d i sprite
Wrs
poine t o be included i n t h e
the o b j e c t i o n t h a t i s ra.Lseii
com~unique and,
t h a t t h i s remained
iq
uncontrpdicted f o r t h r e e ' h ~ u r s ,
lie ~r;u-,treaernbcr t h s t people who w ~ n t
Zhri S w a r m Singh:
to
UCF R
forum f o r s p r c ~ d i ~ iin. c o r r e c t news c?n
of
a l w a y s choose e i t h e r
which
1n.y
2
forunl o r
n o t be known t o
t)1c o t h e r p ~ r t y . POW
i t 19 n o t sugpected t h p t t h e r e
*
point-'/time
r
p r e s e n t i n t h p t €?thering d o
WPS
WFS
m y Indian
f r m f l i s r with *st
was h a ~ p e n i n gi n s i d e and t b 2 t he d i d not c o n t r r d i c t t h i c
then m d t h e w .
I t i s not 2s i f t h i s t h i n g
W ~ S
s a i d I n t h e prpsence of $ h i T O T m K r i 5 h n a n a c h ~ r i
or m y meaber of the D e i e g ~ t i o nand t h p t he f ~ i l ~t o d'
SEE1 ELTPSSE GLTT?:
It is not r n ~ r ~ lt hge r e p r e s e n t s t i v e
of P ~ k i q t mwho s a i d t b ~ t . The public r e l a t i o n s
of ricer who wrs t h e spokeman of t h e @ x n ~ o n w e ~ l t h
Jyyuh'hsn
$+so did thpt.
Two of
the^ d i d t h r t .
.
-
9
-
.
SPRI SWPRF?T 91T\TCy'S 7T'T?CT1 .CC?TD. ,
.
.
,,
qBRI C.D. PflYDF:
was Yrr, Yrishnamachgri t h e r e t h e n ?
S h r i ?.D, Ilani:
I f I mzv m ~ n t i o n , i t hqd been s t a t e d
i n t h e p r e s s t h ~ 2n
t o f f i c i r l of t h e d o m ~ o n w e r l t h
Relations Office
WAS ~
~
S
C
U
mrde t h i q s t ~ t ~ m e nt ht 2 t ?SPshmir
SWhet
S ~
was
~ ~ t h e F r ~ s sP.ttache o r
t h e n e ~ b e r sof t h ? s t q f f of t h Indi2n
~
pigh
i n London?
Commi~siondoing
It i? n o t f a . i r
t o s a y t h q t t h e ; . were n o t nware, I t h a t thev. were
n o t f ~ m i l i s r7 5 t h tl?c n r o c e e d i n g s of t h e C o n f e r e n c ~
'?
e s p c c i r l l y when t h e Cownonwpqlth ~ b c s s~ e i $ t i o n s
1
O f f i c e r b r i e f s t h e pros9 they s
h
s t ~ t c m ' e n tvhich
n o t be t r u e .
.
The p o i n t i s
?,
R.PT~
SF31 TW,IRAFT 7IPCf-T:
0
~
4 rny
~ c
c
-
~
simple one.
I t i~ t r u e t h ~ at n i n c o r r e c t s t q t ~ n ~ on ft t h a t
n ~ t u r ewhich, i n t h c w r y n a t u r e of t h e circums t ~ n c e si
q
a c ? t c h y one,
i s l i k e l v t o spread
socn unle.;s t h e 0tT7nr pnrson i s prr,ser?t snd i s
a b l e t o c o n t r p d i c t i t t h e w and t h e n i f i t i s
n o t t o do m y m i s c h i e f 9s i n t h i c g ~ . ; (i~t h a s
c r e a t e d m i s c h i e f gnd
WP
?re f r c i n g t h e music
e v e r y d r y , simply b e c r u . ; ~ t h i s wa5 n o t c o n t r a ' d i e t e d w i t h i n f5.w of t e n minutes but t h a t i t
took t h r e e hours t o c o n t r a d i c t i t .
But l e t
US
view t h i s i n i t s > r o p e r p e r s p e c t i v e 2nd l e t
US
i g n o r e t h e s h e e r mechanics o f t h e t h i n g , .
not
I f someone
,
t a k i n p ~ d v - n t ? g eof t h c n o n - p r ~ s e n c e .o f t h e members o f
t h c I n d i a n D e l e ~ ~ t i ot n
r i e s t o s p r ~ ~q odm e t h i n ~ , w h a t
w i l l h ~ p p c n ? Vo~zc o n say .that t h e I n d i a n - Z ) ~ l e ~ . s t i o n ' s
r e p r ~ s e n ~ s t i v cshould
!
hnvcl
sh2dowed t h e Corn-yonwealth
SBRI SW !R nN SIPGP 3' S F F C Y COVTD, .L. ...
-
spokesman 2nd
10
t h e ' ~ k i q f - g n s p o k ~ s v 9 nso t h s t whenevrr
2170
any one
of them ~ a k ~ .Qng
: s t a t e m e n t he could then qnd
there slg
.....
SHRI N I R 7 5 GHOSF:
Ee could have i s s u e d s c o n t r ~ d i c t i o n ,
SHRI SWR'N SIQGIT:
You poursAlf s r y kh$t
w ~ cs o n t r e d i c t e d within three h o u r s ,
the whole t h i n g
.
.
The gr~ver.zenof t h c
t h q t i t w q s not c o n t r a d i c t e d but t h q t
charge i s n o t
ten
i t was
.
o r f i f t e ~ nminutes; wh7r i.t
n o t c o n t r a d i c t e d within,".
should h w e t ~ k e nt h r n e hours,
S H R I s.E.
BAJFPYET:
The p o i n t i s tho Indian D e l ~ g r t i o n
could h.ave been i n c l o s e c ~ n t s c twith t h p mernber~ of the
Fress, p ~ r t i c u l a r l yt h e Indian '?ass.
%kis t3n
va.5
They knew t h 3 t
o u t $or e r r r y i n g on propaganda,
'%RI Bt'Ur?%';3T C'TTPTF:
%
' ,
c o n t r 3 d i c t i o n could h,>vt. b x n p o t
through t h e Commonwealth R e l a t i o n s O f f i c e 2nd
,.,
(interruptions).
'%RI
SWPRh,N SIVTGH:
I h a v ~followed t h e point end I hqve
~ l r e a d t .a t t e n p t e d t o nnswer i t .
is
T ~ mrin
P
p o i r t . ;' t h 2 t
r e p r s s e n t ~ t i v eof om i i e l o e ~ t i o nqhould normd3y
the
be p r e q ~ n te v c r ~ w h e r ebut most of us who a r e f a m i l i a r
w i t h conferences of t.hfs nature,.,,.
THE D F F L . CFPIR'lffV:
They w a n t
'r.0
know why h~
Wac;
nlnt
Pr? sent. That i~ what t h o y w m t t o know,
33ER'I SWfi2T 91IVGI-T:
at
p
fiet.ually the s t ~ t e r n ~ was
nt m~de
p a r t i c u l 3 r time,
It c5n b a s k e d , when I
2m
spcaking h e r e , why i s n o t my Fress At%pche prrqent
i n t h e C ~ n t r p lV a l 1 a 1 1 t h time
~
becquw somebody
c p n m ~ k e8 s t p t ~ m ~ nt ht r t I
rrl q q v i n ~t h i s
o r th=iit,
- '
It is very d e s i r r b l e thin^ t h a t we c;hould t q k ~etfPrv s t o p
t o see t h a t m y i n c o r r e c t n p w s s p r ~ a db ~ ro t h ~ r si q qzotchpd
2t
How
t h e very beginning.
Thet i s the esqance o f thc- chprgp.
cannot p r e v ~ n to t h ~ r c :from m ~ k i n gi n c o r r e c t
st~ternents.
9 9 9 9 1 * *
WIP
. iJe sl?sv.ld d e f i n i t e l y t a k e s t e p t s sc3tch i t a s e;..rly
.
' .$ 9 . .
p3
3s
I n t h i s case sxlie Ili1i::chiel" was done befare
ssible.
i t csu-ld be scc~tchcd, but l e t us n ~ rte a l l y w r a p 3ur Jvdgzent
and t r y "c bu-ild up an image.
Herely because sme pi'essiaan
?fas n o t t h e r e or same o t h e r .repre sehta t i v c wa s n o t t h e r e \[hen
another nan chase
t3
nmke an inc3rrec-t statement, y3u- s i ~ u l dn a t
Lay t h a t t h e r e i s a n y b a s i c departure Ir3m our p3licy.
It i s
n o t t b k l a c k o f v i g i l a n c e , for which t h i s point shsuld be r a i s e d
again a n d g a i n .
Zhqrtly a f t e r , t h e whole t h i n g had been
c l a r i f i e d i n a, very c l e a r statement t h a t had been made by the
Princ Mini s t e r ,
Now, i n sv-bstance it has been i ; , ~ e lestablisiied
l
t:mt
b i l a t e r a l d i s p u t e s b e t m e n t w a ~nenbcrso l t h e C s ~ ~ ~ l o n ~ r cshsul2
alth
n s t be discussed.
The Finance M i n i s t e r , vlio w a s the l e a d e r
of the Indian Delegati?n, had tilade t h e p o s i t i 3 n a b s s l u t e l y c l e a r and
t h i s i m s i t i s n was accepted,
I t i s a ? a c t that i t was n s t discussed
and l e t u s n o t t r y t o iiari~~ncri t a g a i n and again.
Let us n o t t r y
t o read i n the cconrmnique a l l - t h i n g s ~riiichdo n o t e x i s t t h e r e i n and,
if I rflay add, l e t u s n o t weaken sur stand by t r y i n g t o give an
i n t e r p r e t a t i o n t o i t when t h e a,utho~S,of t h e cor,ln~u.niquet hcntselve s
say t h a t i t i s n o t r ~ e a n tr e a l l y t~ cgnvey an i n p r c s s i s n t h a t
Kashr!~irwas discussed t h e r e .
i t va s not discussed.
It i s a d n i t t e d on a l l hands t h a t
Let us+ a t t h e same time, reneii~3ert h a t i n
discussion
a l l t h e s e conferences t h c r e i s l i t t l e d i s t i n c t i 3 n betrreen/and
referefice* For i n s t a n c e t h e Frirne M i n i s t e r a r t h e l e a d e r of the
d e l e g a t i s n of any country i n h i s speech s n t h e l i ~ r l dsitu-ation or
other s i t ' ~ a t i s ncan r a i s e many p i n t s , j u s t a s Iiidia did r a i s e many
i n J .
i d ~ I r , a l l t h e l n i n t s t h a t a r c L r a i s e d in
a s?eech d 3 n s t
bL.l?l ~.
.
-
r hT>'
.",9~
;:
,
':;.r
Once
~ a y.la.latter i s r e i s e d i n a discu.ssi7n2
a
3 r.:.-
iVo
T
:ii!io~ a.
pi.1.523
it i s
3::
itcx,
i s s--.el
I
king therc he can a1va.y~sey
- + t h i s i c iilrirectlji sr direct1.y r e l a t a d t s r n i t e n 3n the sgend-.
L L;
J-'
.-
i
a
I n iihe zcly2ral speeches nan? ;.sints are s a i d vlhich cailnot l~
strictly
.zm 2(;c2r.c!encc vit.12 the itcxis arl the a ~ e n d a ,These things a r e
ncr.tis~lcd9 j n t t
2
s India ncntisned :;any
n vhich ney not 211 be
i
c j n c a n i n z the itcrls sn the rzcnda.
Sir?ilarly, ~ t h c rR i n c L i n i s t c r s
y ~ e n t i s n c iriccy t h i n g s , rrhich 6id
c2zc a i t h i n the ;~urviewo f the
a;cfiis 2nd
j
1
;
&J&FLD-!&T,,
.:-.:r. T
s;i.kc,
I
- is
?..;
-.
..8
t h e agcilda Chet a r e c ~ n s i 8 e r e l .
--
P l e a sc,
I:. d i 6 n a t a t
2 11
r:lt:isa:;'l y - ~ usave a o t . l i r d c
--
bil~2.t I
ysu.
32
-4
3j.d &;7~5I<l.lrin rsir:: I+s't.~-;~ir?
;
,
s n l g ~ h citt.:r:-s
I
n3t
.
n:1 urziii:;
i
xt
t
-cilc?t
s nwcr a i d I interrupt
,'ic - - - i n t i12.s been a n p l y r:et
L
c l z r i $ i c L t h a t b i l c ? t c r ~ .$.isjjutex
l
disc~-s::i7n, .!c hzve cia.rj-fied
:
intc.rrui;t y 3-L: tdzen y ~ u
3i.X
2i.c
sndr
21~tsidet h e . ~~l-trvicv
32 t k
- : ~ s i t i - 3 n , I\J~vJ, I i:3vblci venture
b k ~ a tii; s n a t t t r l i l t c t h i s , let us imt, by r z i s i n g these arg~:~lents,
-I-
su.s$.eb:!il
that, ve h v e cvcr ;jlacca
a r t h e trend
LII
j.nter2rctr t i 7 n 3n t h e c n - a s e
thcsc ( t- l s c i ? s s i ~ r ~ z In t i l e cor1r3uiique e s having
7
acquiesced i n c i t b c r t h c d i s c u s e i ~ n :of 1<zsixiir o r cvcn a r c n 3 t e
that; ve a r e ~ [ e a k c n i n g3w stand- en6 n ~ strel~gthcriilv.,~
t
it,
Let
US
be quite c l c s
2i?
tirt i s ~ - an6
~ s l ~ ust b u r p t h i s c3n-tr3vcrsy
for a l l t i n o t z ~c x ~ c ,
I ac oxtre:?c:p
g r a t e I z l t~ all r e c t i - ~ n ssf the iisnic x:lhic?
fiavi: ilz~teci~ r i t hs a t i z l a c t i 3 n the cCi3rts
tklr
were x d e
t3
cstc7blish
d i r e c t c2ntact v i t h a ~ ~ 1lc)il;hb3~,rizg
_r
c3-mtrics* I s!?s.il >e quite
fl3i.1 fr331
o u t to be,
t h e LC v i s i t s rr3u16 he
2
s e n c v 2 a g i n g a s they :-lave b - r n e d
..
Our i . e l a t i 3 n s 11i.t;~tliese c2v.r1'cries Iuve a 1 ~ : z . y been
~
f r i e n d l y , but f a r ssne tine v i t h ssy~eji t h e s e c ~ u n t r i c s : r : e d i d
n3t have v e ~ yd i r e c t and i n t i ~ ~ t~3 t~e1 ~ h Ii thiilk i t h s 'been
2
very
u s e f u l cx:?eyience and t h e i-c s v - l t s have becn q u i t e enc 3uragi!?s,
3-mLi$G5j3p()LICI$S; NOTJ-DI hCa%i.:;i;j;,TORY
NJV,
i:i'ih rcgziod t j
c s ~ ~ i i t r i o in, o c l y ,
t!.:3
ny a.p,uceciati?n af' the s i t u a t i a i z ,
GLIT;~;~!' z;:d
Ns-i.;, i n r e g c r d
t3
Cc:~lsi~,
&rna
I have
came back f v - l l y cmvinccd thaJc the ; n l i c i c s t h a t a r e being pursued
a r e n 3 n - d i s c r i i i i n a t ~ r g , I f they hzvc tsken any a c t i 3 n f ~ r
'
s ~ c i a l i s a t i m2P t r a d e , whetlicr i t i s
2n
I n d i a n sh3p o r
shsp a r a Burne sc shs p a r a C hinc sz sh?~ 3 , cverp
2
~1139ha s
trc-2tcd
be
i n the sane r~iai~ncr, Thcre i s no d i s c r i i : l i n a t i i n based
l i t y sf t h e svmer 3 2 any s h s p .
Pakisiani
the m ti?na-
S ~ c s n G l y , I have a,sEui--n:c
frs_i the
h i g h s s t l e v e l t h a t t h s s e India,ns D T , i n f a c t , t b s s c f3rei;;ncrs iihs
..
u r m l d like t s 9t;gy s n i n I3vr:~:ia accl irsuld l i k e tt play t h e i r r s l e
i n thc ncu s s e i a l srder they arc t r y i n ; t~ e s t a b l i s : ~ , tr2uli: be
~13s-ttlclc3nc.
Pact, I aould like .t3 r e c a l l tile sentences-+ha t
Iil
-
a r e csntzincd
ill
t h e j 3 i n t conl~u-niquet h a t w a s issu-ed.
A
ncntisncd
ti12
It i s c l e r r l ~ r
t t h e h-rme se Gsvern~lentv s u l d welcsrle par t i c a l a r l y
t h e wjrking cia-ss a.nd they- w3uld l i k e the:;;
r e n a i n t1lei.e 2nd
f c n c t i s n t h e r e 'under normal c i r ~ ~ s t a n c e s .3:
l8.r2s
v!ill
..,
assured t h n t t:~c---
have n ~ sti i l y assurance sf s ~ i c t ybut a l s l cqzalit!; 32
t r e a k o n t i n cverg
5snetir.les wc
fag.
who Tilay h3.w b e t t e r means sr uhs
Bu-ma I t h i n k 90 per cent
class.
jf
r22.y
g:2y
1 : ~ 3 ~ ~ r ~ j l ~ 1 : . '13.:' e d.3e321~
be w e l l o f f , hut
in
t h e acsple th2l.c aye s f the \,r3r]~ing
Thcre a r e a l a r g e nui:~bcr oi i a g l i l i c s
~ 1 1 3slqn
land and xh3
a r c m r ' t i n g s n land. T h i r c a r e s e v e r o l s t h e r s whs a r e o f 'ih
w a r k i n g c l a S F category.
Lnd it riiight i n t e r e s t y ~ ut 3
tllat
. ethcir.interp~etati~.n
-
,-
t h e i r i n t e e ~ ~ c ~ ~ a of
t i - tlhne expressi.311 '~j.ior!cing cla s s l i s n o t
s o r e s t r i c t e d a s that
CIS
For instance, G ~ n c r a lNe
sme of
ih]ill,
my f r i e n d s 3 p p s i t e .
P r e s i d e n t of Durm, i n one
a f h i s r e n a r k s i s reported t o havc s a i d t'Mt he a l s a i s a
-
nenber o f t h e rr3rking class,
50, i t i s ngt t h a t narr%
i n t e q 1 r e t a t i 3 n wiiich s3ne of us a r e l i k e l y
22 t h e f a c t " c a t there
tr,
put an t h i s
a r e s o m d i f f i c u l t i e s whictl are
whc,
b e i n g experienced by t h 3 se/are leaving Bwna *
-
L I B I,L1iiiLFiAN SIN GII' S SPEECH ( CJMTD
.- )
I t ~ a agreed
s
timt ~ r eshsuld a,~preciateeach 3thert s
d i f f i c u l t i c s i n t h i s respect and shsuld try t~ devise a forr:ida
which sh3uld take note of the niututll d i f l ' i c u l t i e s ai" the tin
countries i n the rilatter o f exchange and sh2'~'.lda l s o take note
of the d i f f ' i c u l t i e s which night be experienced by individuals,
50, steps w i l l be taken a t the o f f i c i a l l e v e l t:, f i n d out a
s a t i s f a c t o r y va y of dealing w i t h t h i s i3r3blerno
I n Ceylon I had the opportunity of meeting and discussing
t h i s qu-estisn of S t a t e l e s s per sons, persons of Indian origin,
I hope t h z t the
l~hohave not yet g o t the Ceylonese citizenship.
House i s fully aware t h s t a very v a s t n a j o r i t y o f these persons are
i n the plantations. They are workers,
They have beer, there
for long years and they have played a very important r 3 l e i n t h e
econonlic development of Ceylsn, and they a r e very useful members
o f the Ceylonese l i f e . They a r e , by and l a r g e , n o t unv~elcome
people!
We can ssmetimes get an emggerated noti3n of the
s t a -t e of - a , f f a i r s by reading c e r t a i n press reports.
There a r e
many many d i f f i c u l t i e s , there a r e many c m p l e x i t i e s i n the
s i t u a t i o n , and some s o r t of csrrespondence and discussion hzs
been gsing on between India and Ceylon f o r q u i t e ssme tine.
I t ' i s Indiat s earnest desire t o see the vievrpsint o f Ceylsn
i n t h i s respect, t o t r y t s understand what t h e i r d i f f i c u l t i e s a r e ;
I am, sure t h a t the Government of Ceylon a l s o i s moved by s i o i l a r
conciGeration, and a t the next meeting of t h e two Prime Ministers
when Her Excellency the h i m e Ninister of Ceylsn ~~irould
be coming
t o I k l h i durinz the fourth week of October, t h i s matter w i l l be
discussed further i n a s p i r i t of mutual undorstan4ing
and the
d i f f i c u - l t i e s faced by e i t h e r c o w t r y , and a s o l u t i o n which n i g h t
be equitable and honourable, and acceptable t o the two countries
.
and the persons concerned, shsulcl be evolved.
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Nc;rr-aligaca C3nierence t n he :I&LC i r l Czir3,
Tlie s u , ~ p o r tt h a t
t h e l i ~ u eh ~s , unaniri-ously ;i.ireri and thc w a y ,u3int s th:: t have
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o%Ihcr i ssuc s ~ ~ 3 'i?e
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w ~ u l d?,c. t a k c c DI" t h e prcsence ~f t5c ..Ic?ds J P bt;!tes and
.
-
ini,~ortalit j_ntern[1ti3nal iscvres even 3f e b i l e t k r t i l c h y r ~ d - t e r ~
and t h i s w i l l be r u ~ e f z . 1oL:~~:*t-:-,~it:-
c ~ n c e n t r a t c !an t h e i t e m 3 f t h e z ~ c n d ~t~:iicii
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a r e very ii;;.;;art
a n d which a r c very far-rcac;linz, b;lt r:e
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c o n t e n t t o t h i s c m c c p t of nm-;limnnent
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and we have t o g i v e a
o ~ ka t t h e vsri?u.s s t r e s s e s and s t r a i n s t h a t have d e v q l q e d
s o t h a t s o n - a l i s n m e n t m y emcr3rqe a s s f o r c e which n i g h t be t h e
q u i d i n ? ; ~ ' i n c i ~ l s ,n o t w i t h s t a n d i n g t h e v a r i m s c ~ m p l i c a t i ~ nosr
0
t h e s t r e s s e s and s t r a i n s t!iat ~ i i e h i ;b e . g m s r a t e d , i n view of t h e
>,.
c 3 n s t a i t l y changing i n t e r n a t i o n a l s i t u a t i o n .
4INO-RTDI@J DISTTJ5F
d b m t . China many hon. Members have r a d e s u g y e s t i o n s ,
I sn i 2 s r t l c u - l a r l y unhappy t h a t Mr, R m a r n ~ ~ r from
ti
the apposition
benches i n h i s speech, ~lrSich i n m ~ t Is must sa,v was c d m i r a b l e ?
t r i e d t o c r a t e an i r n r e s s l o n t h a t rlrhile desiinr: w i t h China
we a r e ado:?ti.ng a p o s t u r e ,
:3r
t h a t we a r e t a k i n q a l i n e , which h a s
m e l t e d a r n i ~ m d e r s t a r ~ d i nign t h z minds of c e r t a i n AYro-Asian
countries,
It i.s a. p i t y t h a t N r , ' b n a r r u r t i should have e n t e r t a i n e d
I cd,r,not h e l p hiri 5 f t h i s h a s caused a f e ~ l i n gi n
~ i cors c o p i c
: : : m i n o r i t y t h a t he
h i s mind. or i n t h e mind of sons of t h e
t h a t fe.zling,
;L.:
r e p r e s e l l i s i n t h e country, but, w F! ar? I n tguc:'r, w i t h t h e Zfro-.isian
c o i n t r i e s and we a r e i n touch c?ven 12th t h ? rnuthors of t h 2 C3ionbo
P r o ~ o s a l s , and I t h i n k t h a t t h z r p i s no doubt 1 ~ f itn the rclinc!s
of t h e s e persons a l l of whom a r e noi; like-minded wi-th u s
--
you h o w k!ho a r e t h e mernbers of t h e s a C o l x b o Powers who e v o l v e d
t h e s e g i ' o p o s ~ l s - - and. i t i s f e l t t h n t l n d i a h a s gone t o t h e
5
f a r t h e s t l i m i t t o a f c e p t t h e Co l m b o Proposals.
The l a s t roove which wls ini"LPaec3 by 5 h r i J,:.waharlal Nehru
t h a t he \:as p r e p r e d . t o go t o
n p q s t i n ~ t i at a~b l e 5-f' t h e C h i n e s ~
withdrew t h e i r p o s t s from t h e .jemi3.i.t2ris?d zone w3,s
which, i f I ria:!
ddd? i.s a c ~ n c ssiofi
e
in prti.:l
2
concessi~n
o o d i f i c a t i o n even of
t h e C O ~ Q P~ r ~o pL~ s a l swhich hsd errjisagcd t h e establishment of
equal nvmher of p o s t s by botll s i d e s .
which ve took.
snhrrzte t h a t was t h e s t a n d
.;i;
In s p i t e of a l l t h a t , f3r any p e r s m t o say, much
l e s s for any I n d i a t o s l y , t h a t I n d i a
j
s ad9ptin: an a t t i t u d e which
i s n o t c o n c i l i a t o r y or i s i n t r m s i z e i ~ ti s t o s a y t h e l e a s t not
justified
a t a l l and he shoyli' n o t r e ~ l l yt r y t o p u t t h a t onus on cs.
Now, we have., . * . a e
Now, we ha~?.?.lakin a ~nmberof i n i t i a t i v e s .
If . $ i s
~ b a r n u - r t has
i
the c3nfidencc of t h e Chinese Government, nay I
a s k him t h a t i n i t i a t i v e t h e \Zhlns.cp have t a h n i n t h i s r e s p e c t ?
If they have tslien ncrie, f ; h ~ ?tip
~ . cnzs i s,
.. , . c a s t
ugcn then t : ~
take t h e initiative.: ( I n f - E : - ~ ~ t i o r ~ sIt
j is n o t always f a r ,:o
tskq thz i g i t i s t i v e .
k~ quite c l e a r
f-fi
We
2 a i i ~ nall t h e I n i t i a . L i 7 ~a~n d Ze
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c o ~ q t r yi s a very, o s r y d.e31: t k l E r ~ g t3
W C I U ; ~z p y e a i
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( ~ n t e r ~ p p t i o)n s
Whether he i s l e f t i s t o r r i g h t i s t a r c ~ n t r i s tCo~r;,w:S:ti,
--
he i s an Indim s n d h2 5 s e p ~ ' ~ l r ~ t ;;nd
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should nav,: ths n a t l . s r _ a l -int-.r?s~,, It i s a l s o , 'T
tct add,
in t h a
c e . s . * s . *
t o add, i n t h e o v e r a l l i n t e r n a t i o n a l i n t e r e s t t h a t we ~ h ~ u l d
n o t a d q t an a t t i t u d e which u n n e c e s s a r i l y strbarrasses us,
although I want t o gake i t a b s o l u t e l y c l e ~ rt h a t our stand
.
w i l l n o t be weakened by t h e s e poles, whether t h e y a r e i n m e
or t h e othor d i r e c t i o n ,
That does n o t mean t h a t
~ilr
effort
t~ s t r i v e f o r f i n d i n ? a s a t i s f a c t o r y s o l u t i o n w i l l n o t o~n61IS.t.clgi
'
* .
E v . ~ Mr. Va jpayee h a s s$:d t h a t the ~ h l n e s e b g p l . eaGe our
l?le-e should be a f e e l i n g o'f f r i e n d s h i p b e t w e n c o u n t r i e s
f r i e n d s a s people i n othzr c o m t r i e s , L There ake thesa
d i f f e r e n c e s i n which we f e ? l t h a t China i s w r y much i n the
wr3ng and t h e r e f o r e we h a w t o safnguard our i n t e r e s t s , our
honour and
OUT
n a t i m a l pro s t i gee
In r t l a t i ~ nt o P a k i s t m , I have n o t got ' r n u c ~t o add t o
what 1 hav9 a l r e a d y said.
It i s our e a r n e s t d e s i r e t o develop
f r i e l l d l y r p l a t i o n s so t h a t the pe3ple of t h e t w o c o u n t r i e s n i g h t
be a b l e t o l i v e i n a f r i e n d l y and neighbourly atmosphere.
- .
Unfortunately, we havn n o t succeeded i n our endeavours t o develop
/
t h e type of r s l a t i m s h i p t h a t we havo always been s t r i v i n g f m
even a f t e r independ.ence,
.-
We w i l l continue t o follow the p o l i c y
of set-blinq, whatever may be t h e i r r i t m t s betwesn the two
countries, whatever may be t h e p o i n t s of d i f f e r e n c e between t h e
two countries, by peaceful means.
I know t h a t t h i s i s a t a s k
which i s n o t very e a s y but Indo-Pakistan amity i s such a
de s i r a b l e o b j e c t i v e t h a t t h e undertaking of evqn t h e d i f f i c u l t
t a s k which r e q u i r l s a l l tho patience t o s t r a i g h t e n o u t t h e
complications t h a t have a r i s e n and t h e s t r i v i n g f o r a
settlement of whatevcr may be the p o i a t s of d i f f e r e n c e , w i l l
continus t~ be th-. guiding p r i n c i p l e of our pclicy.
...
The House may r e call. ,
I
that
The House mag r e c a l l L i n the course of rry t a l k s
w i t h the Foreiqn Minister 3f Pakistan, I had made an offer
e have
t h a t I n d i a i s prepared t~ e n t e r i n t o a No-War Pact.- W
t o r~mernber t h a t on many occasf m s P a H s t a h a s been t r y j n g
i
to m
t B d i a as a country which i s arming i t s e l f and i t i s
made out as if we have any nggmssfve d e s i a n s a g a i n s t anybody*
Sometimes I f e r l amused when such i n s i n u a t i ~ n sare made,
We
have n:, design a s a i n s t any c ~ u n t r y , Our r e l a t i o n s with m ~ s t
~f our nef ghbours are sg c a r d i d m d f riondly.
9 ~- f n
or
P a k i 4 t a , when we had made t h i s s i n c e r e o f f e r . that we were
prepared
t9
e n t e r i n t o a Rcr->jar ? a c t an9 ve were prepared t o
s e t t l e all our d i f f n r e n c e s whstnvar t h e y m i g h t be, by peaceful
m e a s , well, t h s t s h m l d r e s l l y Sc:
c ~ m ~ l e tanswer,
q
my suggestion or i n s i n u a t i ~ nt h a t I n d i a i s t r y i n g
But
t3
-
stmngtkn
h e r s ~ l fto d o harm t o any c a m t r y i s c m p l e t e l y untrus.
Wnll,
t h a t i s a n e c e s s i t y and t h a t i s a r e s p o n s i b i l i t y which we cannot
-
s h i r k becauss we have a l r s a d y suff;.r-?d w k n the Chinese
aggression t o o k place.
Therefor?, i t i s v e r y n q c s s s a r y t h a t
i n t n r n a i l y w- s h o u l d be s t r o n g e c m o m i c a l l y and,
t3
the best of
our capacity, m i l i t a r i l y , so t h a t we n i g h t be a b l e t o defend
3w
country,
But t h a t m y c o w t r y s h ~ u l dhavn the s l i g h t e s t
suspicion about our attituds i s ssmnthing which i s wholly
unjustified,
Them a r e s e v a r a l p ~ i n t st 3 which I wish I
could devote some time.
But in t h ~brief reply that I have
made, I have vsntured t o t m c h upcrn some o f the p o i n t s t h a t
..
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raem t o su gc-st t h ~ he
t w2s ii? ti12 c a - ~ f i d e i ~ cofz t h e Chineso in I h s
fdc-iu.al sens2,
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fif t h e s i t u a t i o n , i f as a r e s u l t of h i s a s s ~ s s m s n tof t h c Chinss.
p o s i t i o n , ii h c can put Zcrward h i s i d e a t h a t t h i s w i l l be ~ x ~ . ; a b l - \ .
tc; t b a Chinese, then p c ~ n a p st h a t might be of soma iiclp to mzay otLl-r
c o u n t r i e s &o ara s t r i v i n :
t o do certain t h i r ~ g s ,
S h r i Bhupesa Gupta (Weest Bengal) : pcrhaps tha h ~ n ,M i n i s t e r had
t o touch sorie of t h e p o i ~ t sraisdd by us.
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With r a z a r d t o t h ; si2:uztLonA
in Vietaan, I should l i k e t o know f ron t h z hon, M i n i s t e r a s t o wl~y
Gove nment i s n o t agreeable t o
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suggestion t h a t t h e I n t e r n a t i c , n d
C o n t r o l C o m i s s i o n should go i n t o t h e a i l e g i t i o n s t h a t have bacn na. c
a,ainst A m e r i c ~ a s3;nd o t h e r s f o r v i o l a t i n s t h e Geneva Agreenent, as 3
p o i n t e d o u t , under i t s A r t i c l e 1 2 ; i t i s q u i t ? within tlis whit c:k' th,:
I n t e r n a t i o f i a l Control Com:iisJioi~ t o g z i n t o t h i s question,
Sardar Swarm S i n g h d >willanswer t n a t ve ry b r i e f l y .
ThL Int~.r%.tLonzl.
C o n t r o l Commission i s a c r e a t u r e of c e r t a i n agreements,
I v i i l klino~?dl..--
call. it a s t ~ t u . t eof na-bions, and i t f u n c t i o n s under t h a s a c~n&i.'kioas.
Now whatever comes within t h e purview of t h o s e agreements and accordirf:
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t o t h e clauses of t n o s e agrecmests w i l l bi. a lilatter ~,vliFchrrrrll b L z^v-"rc
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t o give
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p a r t i c u l a r - complaint that i a ;2ut forward b e f o r e t h e eonmzission by crei>
p a r t y o:
tht? o t h e r i s 1iTj;thin t h e purview o f t h e 1 n t ; r n a t i o n d Co5:-t;r?l
Comission or n e t ,
I h a v ~119 doubt in 35. e ~ i n dt h a t undmntcd by t h t
c o n f l i c t of views on tliis issuz , t h l : I p t e r n a t i o n a l Coni;rol. Cmnissior:
w i l l cont inu.e t o function in a very d i s p a s 3 i o n a t c mmncr, and
whatever Cones within i t s purview7 it $fill c z r t a i n l y s o i n t o It 2nd
cxprGss i t s opinion in a c c o r c l ~a c e with t h c . provzd i'clcts &en t h y c c " -
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r a : Hon. M i n i s t e r has n o t s a i d mything about
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o b j e c t i o n t o t h e ~ s t a b ~ i s h m e noft a CornrnrntkmaLtk Secre+;ar!.at.
Would :?c kindllly say samething about %fiat?
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Tfie Com'ionwealth S e c r e t a r i a t i s a m a t t e r
\ & r d a r Swaran Sin&:
which was discussed and I would be q u i t e frmli t h a t t h e i f r i c a n
c o u n t r i e s pa'rtrkcularly
wsro very much i n support of having some
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s o r t of S e c r e t a r i a.t .
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Shri Bhupe sh Gingt a: Some.
Sardar Swaran Singh: Really a l a r c c nurnbcr of them,
position.
That i s t h e
We are i n a very, v-ry p r e l i m i n a r y staze.
At offic~dL
l e v e l some d i s c u s s i o n w i l l t a k e place as t o what should be t h e
n a t u r e of t h a t S e c r e t a r i a t .
But J ~muld.like t o c l a r i f y our o m
p o s i t ion t h a t we w i l l not l i k e any 3 3 c r e t a r i a t t o function i n ally
manner which might c r e a t e a t y p e of s i t u a t i o n which was f e a r s d
It w i l l 12ct function
by my estasrned colle9gue, S h r i Mishra,
i n any way e i t h e r t o provide any g u i d e l i n e s o r m y such t h h g
i n relation t o this,
Mr. Mislira a l s o expressed tlie feai: t h a t it
m i g i l t emerge as a bloo,
We w i l l see t h a t tlze S e c r e t a r i a t , if
and d'en i t i s s e t up, does n o t c r z a t e a s i t u a i i o n about vlnich
f s a r s have
been expressed,
We a r e q u i t e c l e a r in our mind t h a t
t h i s i s an informal a s s o c i a t i o n , a loose-knit Coianon\~alth, and
any attempt t o f o m d i s e t h c r e l a t i o n s l ~ ~ iwpi l l ; not. really-,be7i n t h e long run, even in t h e i n t e r e s t "of t h o cohesion .;An t h e l
ComCnwealth.
So wc3 have taken n o t e pf t h e p o i n t s t h a t .@re.,
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urged and if and when any s t r u c t u r e of+t h e Commonwealth. S e c m t a r i a t emcrzes, we w i l l keep in v i e ~ ~ t i very
~ e , valuable p o i n t s t h a t
have bezn urged.
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