The following transcript of
Herbert “Herb” Cavers’s interview
on
Memories and Music
(broadcast between 1974-1976)
was created by the Sudbury Public
Library as part of a
Summer Canada Project
in 1982.
S DBURY P
LIC
IrTERVIEWEE :
I ~T~ VI ~E. :
I RA
er
Cavers
APE
0:
51
D . ~.
THEt1<' :
• •
.\ e
here!Ve are ""ith mer-lOry time an music time a eajn and
1e ave as our guest 1r . e
a rers. "Her w en id you
re ire fro m I nco?
.C.
I re ire ·
rom
nbo on
he first of
m spies tel J'!1e tha
nc o. How man , how lon
TOv1
. C.
D. N..
z
ri a
ow
o
put ar..-) itt e time in xx with
k~:e:n have you been vii th the com an ?
was 'l'li th the company
in J anuary 1971 .
I thin
D..
All right , Herb what , what ,
through these years?
H.. C.
that would
• •
or 4
e , y ah
,
. or 40
ears unti
the
ou ' d be cpr rect , yes .
'It!
We 1 for ~ll 0 those years I
'iRx Be inery , the . copper side
0'-"
D. 1.
QU
et ' s not be un..... e.ear
mode s here Herb , I Rbe ieve tha t)s
ICc:
ears and a , 6
, is that right '
H. C.
~.
arch in .1971.
a t have you done with Incol
x was
0
a chemist at the Ontario
the , 0 the orgamization .
.
Ve 1 Her we ' re gO "ng to ge aroun
a ou your "lOr {an ~.'lhat not about
to a , se
ae to some of your ear
'It!_~re is your home town?
to as ing you a , something
he re o "nery ut we want
years .
or a , . w ere ,
I rea
havetit~ sot a home town in he rue sense of th
wor. Bu
came to Sud ury from university at Lor A ison
in _ ew 'RXI{ Bruns !Vic .•
ac. in Ii 930 .
Oh
1LO\lT
got
orn?
0 ,
0
Her
u s o m~ od ha
to , S:ID:mR'0Q~ some ody ' s go
have a home town . \' here , ",here , ltJhere were you
was orn in a , in l icht ~an over in the southwe st of t e
state in . 8a d. e Cree ,
t ama zoo area 0
he , 0 , th~ state
of ·1 ichiean .
Ie
I'
D. 1. ' Was t_ere not a pop tune cal e
a one ime Herb .
R
Got A Ga
in a
"lam~zo o
J
H.
•
D. M.
"
:lRRn Ye s but ::t a l so over t e eaTS use to xx hum the ,une ~
That I as orn in 1ichiean and I wish on ic~isan ~at a ,
i NR lent on . rom here .
ow , nOvl tha I ' m hur , here , mxyx1r~: there , there m~ may e
some ormer · ichig*~ettes .
ow a , how 0u d it corne a ou
ha' ou in 8 KRZ' sel'1s" of gaNtt Canad. ian were born in a ,
in ~ic iean . Or whRt is your at Br ' s nam" wkt what ' s
e
e or:;, ~re ?
2
H.C.
el Ply father 1'Tas a ~ a , e !c! ' pister and a , e was born in
St . , at. ar i nes , Ont ario ~
ut coming , as h~ say having
recejYed a ca.1 8S a yOll e; Plan . et:ermine t at he \'JOll. d go
rough for the, M±.~:sx ;.. min ',st r y--. Atten e •. university a t
t e nivers ' t 0 Toron 0 for a , a number 0 years but 'tt· I
mrrt havinG bee n insp ' red understa d by some a , a prominen
theo oGiarm at that time who was stationed or teachinG a
the Univers ity of ic itgdn , e went t ere to compre ete his
education and ha . his or ination.As a resu t 0 that as I
unders t and it , t at having 8" been ordina en in .Michigan ,
it is a prequisite th~t 'ou serve some tiMe in that state
which meant that he served a cou e 0 pastorates in , in
W.c hiSan an that the reason , one o · the XKX reasons that I
was orn in ~ichigan . Shortly a ter that at the age of 4
I be ieve it i s , that' • • • the fam' y returned to Ontario.
D.M~
e
erb I hope this is a f air que£ tion . Herb. : • what ' s
it Ii e being the s on of a minis t er .
T~W, is this a fair
uestion , is it one hat you can answer .
s it a , a itt. e
dif erent from being a ~ sonR 0 a , a trave ing xia sa esman
or
Garage mechami c or a , or a , some hing , ou now what 1.
mean , getting a •
H.C.
Ye s I thin
' can because as I , as a youngsf er
can remember
peop e use d to say tha tb.~ a , that the deas on ' s daughter and
tl1e preache r ' s son isthet"Diggest (unintell.) that ' s ever
run . I on ' t now if that ' s entire l y true but , I can re c all
have heard that anY'tJaYs.
,
•
. ell I hear. that , that but what, hat ,I ' m getting at , did
a , di
athe r • • • insist on prayers morning and evening?
Did he i nsist on church an SMMN Sunda s chool? Did he have
an tougher ru es aroun the house than the average .kids are
ace x with?
H. C.
I don lot t in that I cou d say that , or wou d say that., · ,
think at that time , ou mus t X~gNmg remember I N think at
the earl t urn 0 the century , 0 th~s century , that ~
a , s oeiet was a rea , we had a rea society as differ~ating
fror:l the a , ur an s ociety at t .he present time . That I thin
philosophy continues up NNx±I through at least a_ter the a,
First World War . Yes the f ami ly had pra ers mornm.ng a d
night , grace was sai at a 1 mea s but I on ' t thin. that I
\'Jas a , restiic t ed in any wa • I , I ~asn'ta , a big devi I
don ' t , think in any , s ense of the word .. But I , \'f~ had lots
of
n , ots of a • ' •• a ctivit , w~ made ~ur N own fun as
I M~ ment e Basicl
urine; t hat perio , a , a new iie which
ment t at there was fri en s a
around us . ~e ' enjoyed
being on a , a xxa!!1 f arm e.nd~hat type of 8. , of playfu ness
t a , I t in chi1 !'en miss at tb.e present time .
.
~. M
0
D. H.
Herb ZMN:ym: i cou
",e re l e but I have never , I ' ve not ta e
to a son of a min ster an ' 1 , and I , it ' s very~teresting to ,
to ,. to have our· points 0 XR vie",! on it .-NON i lx~ you
e I e ieve a , e bro her at! an a. sister is tnat' rie;~ t?
I. C.
I
D.M .
a
And ,
a , eh , no two
ElIlft
an
Hl&w.
k:~J:EN
brothers ?-c,t ua 1 •
none an . neitper 6
the!!l are
:i;ffi7e1'e~
3
intere sted in the ministr y ,
R±XHZ~
either ,
h?
H. C.
{o one , one 0 them ,
e youngest one § is a , i s a arch,i iSec t ,
a ( unin el .) archilBect prac t isine in S .ri ne; Fi e .d , Massatch~ ~
The rother ou ger , ~ ust ;younger than I , in hiJLc}~u t time
was a hos ita a administrator , served.at the ~OEa st .
Genera , xes:!:}! resting in a , or Oshm.,a and then a ( uni nte l1. )
in Sprine; Fie
assac ett~ ~
D. M.
Herb ma , ma , if I may j ust ouch on t his business of being
a , how you get into business of beine; a hospit al a ministor
very rie: y . But befo re . . 'e do the.t what are som~of . your
!Dd ear y ears , 1N ich no N , -you , -you were born in 1 907 , is
that correct?
.c. 1907 ,
D. H.
I
&
yes .
~N
'Your memories woul
~
191 2 , ' 13 ,
,
h ; N
date back - 0 rdmt aN around what j[92®
t e war ~ars ?
Yes t ey I d be , I t hin_ I shoul d remember some instances prior
to that. but • • • sign1ficant ones . I thin. wou. be a , starting in aroun 1915, 1916 . Tha is qui e «:®:FR correcrt .
D. VI .
.0
OU kHNW
area - eeoing you
ike that?
not reca
a , t e women of t e Ti l ens urg
ire so diers on ro ~ ~ marches or something
H. C• ~Yes I ,d2 r eca 1 that , as a gain a s I sa it , in a , the rural
. ~,~~% ~&&. There mus t have been an arm bas e s omewhere ' s
clos e t o a , to Ti l sonburg back in 1 91 6 and I cou l d remember
the , 0 _, the window of the «~mmXX:tHM community - eeding t he
s o diers at a-dinner time . A fu ll , real , f u 1 course mea
whi e they 'stopped after on the t raining 0 the r O Q ~ march
from wherever their :kaxNx trai nin- base to a , to someJ.III other
estination ecause I be iere at that tiTIe the , the arm
mar ches woul d , wou
go or a " a ew da s • . Not j ust out
he l f a mi e and we came ac. to base t at ni ht •
.
~
• T. - This 1.-'lGuld
e '\lin t e ays of the (unin e 1. )
hat the so diers \'!ore in _those days , eh,
H. Ce Yes
.e days
0
t e ( unint e
B_
*u -
d what not
.) t at ' s for sure •
...:..
Rie;ht . XNN±ke TOW ano, er nemory
at d 1 , l?1~ ma strike
a responsjve chor wit some 0 our _ol ks is . ening i s ,
youx earne to ri e a icyc e by Going own a - ong i J or
some hing inE a (
no
hat \-lIas that story?
'.
~C.
7 13a
• That , tlat is correc- " _or · others who are acquain e
vIi t the a , te I iagara Esc rpment
eature o · Ontario ~
Knowinu the.t tha.t escarpment exte!l 8 abacaround north of
Burl ington , dOl,m int-o the Mil on area which is , leiTe s 0 f
i nto aver XM l us'us IJ~ communi y about oh 19 • • .. 8
no 1 / 1 , 191 9 . I .ad~eenN. ( :t1n'wt -el'l:) on a bic c e before ,
ut t~ere
i n act icyces were a rare thing in those ays .
T
·
"
4
were a couple of oys who ha ' one and the r ived on t1e ~op
o , of~Gipi~oesqarpment determine one day hat the ~were
l earn- tr&flsteach me how to ri e a bicyc e , ( un ' nte 1.
On
there side they pushe me ou~ to the to R of thi s orig hi l ,
and gave me the push and awa
vlent and i wasn ' t very ~
ong ater that hat , I was a ancing on the bic c l e o I
never fe loff ,
went XliiI ( uninte 1. to ~k:t the ottom of
the hi
t could ' ve been a good two mi es in , in ength .
D. .
owever that ' s u ' te a way to
one ~ way to ,do i I guess .
t ' s the easiest ~lay to do i
earn how
0
ri e
~
i e , that ' s
I , I can vise for that .
el inciEienta ly neiehbours vIe ' re chat ,ine; here 1,/ ' · h Hr .
Herb Carvers ~ho retire ' n , 1971 on March t e 1st , ' 71 ,/ A ter
40 years and a out
wee s "j
x:m&:liiI Internationa
j c' e,
~hic , isxa:wrn'dl:X¥X"DOC.;lj~f" · xx a , I
h ' n. a fa i r ' amount of
tim~ a most an bo y r .
ae:ree . Herb a , spea ~ing 0 '1i ton
you \lJent to schoo there , righ , h ,l e; se 00 in ,j l ton?
. C.
Yes
attende two years of hig1 schoo ' in Hi ton , drivin~
ome for , aily , practica y f rom , . rom Wo vi
in a i'1attJter
o a , a coup e of mi ~s and a , it was uite an Rl!qlX exper ' ence.
Tha "'Toul
e the ' rst occasi on on w,hich the young e low
was avay from home .
can , I can understand tha . ~ow ' 25 that seems to me , was
that not the ear of church union&
H.C .
19 5 was the year 0 church unions ; Union 0
he ~ ethodist
terian , s ome Presb termans and the Congregational
«liiI denominations f'MXX f'xEm forming the United Church of .
Canada .
~xk Pre ~b
ight. But then ' when you inished . • .: high schoo in
Milton , you went to universi y in the , in the aritimes ,
right?
H. C.
t es that is corre,t • . y parents use ( uninte 1.) I ' ve been
at that point 0 )Ogetting ready for possi y university .sought
a c ange o · ( uninte l . ) anI ' a , was a , 11
ather was transf erred to a., Wo o stoc . , ew BrUnS1tlicl{ which is a , SO!Ile
istance , ~O mi es or so west of redericton in ew Brunswic
on the st . John , e\-lfound an •
D.. M.
i There , there that ' s where Mount
H.·C.
te l , ount Ase is , I wentx to X'!ldn~:Ex hig school for .2 years
aSXNRxi there as iNel an a got m matticalation to uO to
universit , \,Thich I di at ( uninte l .) New Brunswick .
D.lVI .
We l now you ' re • .• • what I ' ~ ' s ure you ' re etting at i~
that your , ne ither ou nor your brother'nor sister elt
this' ca ling to t e ministr that youx:- , tha
our ,f ather
had .
H• •
( unintel .)
O"~
0
Aoe isst , is X it?
I don ' t _now if it ' s the re lection
ae
on
5
his (XHZ unin 'ell. attitude or not . Bu~,a t I was mqre
rawn to
rawn ·t o a , KRe:± science an a , in that le
a , to chemistry , which ).'Jas a resu t that RXXKX at J'llounte
A lison I specialized i n a , i n chemistry ,
s.ies an
chemi s try . " u a , • ., • spent 5 years there in that I
got ot bache or 0 ar s an a ache or 0 sc i ence degree.
low your rothers ' x i nt erest ran to
one tling an another , right?
f. .
igures , eh ?
Boo s ,
a~
. • C.
Yes that is right . Bro ~ , rother John who \olas a , in the
mi
e of the 3 0 t he ~
r others \~as rawn more fro m
aca emic s to e. , 0 igures an t e ban . •
D. _ .
Yeah .
ent into
H. C.
~
an: in·g .
You to
me that he+ a " he was \lTorking in a ban cani that
he impresse
he an . 'manager who ater to
somebo;, j.n
Toront o or somew ere t at if yo u want your boo s ba ~nce
toda is t e man that can 0 it , is it some hing ti:fk like
that ?
-.H",'J
H. C.
• H.
.
.,
I t was something ire t at , yes . jvJ f ather becoming quit e
i l iK:XNNRli a ou 19 7, re ired fro m the minis r and determined to c ome back to Ontario . ly brother a ~ not ta ing . 0
00 .8 , schooling , a was e~ oye · in he ban. in , in Sac viI e
and a , since
e fa mi y was movine; ac. to a , to !NX:r!rKN¥
oronto determine the a , perhaps he shou d try to trans er
to a ban. imr a , i n Toron 0 , whic a , tra:'18 er v"aa arrange
an in the recommen at ion hat t ean manae;er rna e i n
Sac.vil e to ~he an. wherever ~
rother 'wou d e i n Toronto .
ei t a
ey i n ' t care what con ition :id<l:e: that the books
were ' n, that his e
wou _ have a one shot x a snc e and
cou d main~ain t a t , .
pro icienc •
e
XRX tha ' s , tha t I s
s i ll living?
1;
y the way t i :i.s your bro
er
o m bro her, die
D. _ •
He
H. C.
7, 7 .ears , a few ears
D. M.
ui e ,
i ed on us , eh .
ago~
Oh I see , but your siste r she , s he ,
t he ministry . \ .
:irn
xx
did she not marry
H. G.
A, a yes ,
D. r-1 .
Right . Get,ting back t o you sir , you • • • we got you
graduate now i n chemistry , in physics , in what not rom,
with aBc an a ater with a , what was i t a Ph?
H. C.
B. A. an
D. ..
Oh es .. You got _ a , you got e
year 0 ge a ~ J O , eh?
th~t
"~
is quite correct .
a B. Sc .
~ob
aroun
1_9 9 , w ich was a
DOO .
,
\
.C.
It was , it is one we woul, call it , 1929 was the eginning
o the depre ssion . I avinB j ust ~ra uated a~ a , as a , with
a . A., an 8. c Ut'1 of mine etermi ned that ~'Je shou d have a
XMl'!l:2" s um!!ler ~ a summer jo.
So a , \,'e a , I went , or a S1..l!!l!!ler
at the consol i.clattidHH Ho li:t'rger GNID. Go
!"I '.nes up i n Timmins.
~om e wor . un ergro~n
to, see w~a undergro~nd lor. is l ike ,
out a , rom t er& n 0 ·tne ( unln e l . ) 0 lce or the liol ine; r ,
for. 0 , a ma 'ver of ? or 3 months . lil±~lx~"@N.xHl'Brk~ff±x:w:i:txx·
. 1•
. hen
i , you not get x "'li
J
C• •• ?,
H. C• . Yes that wou
e a ~ ear later , I returned to ( u~i nte I ., for
the ~ .... , i ~ th ye a r an~ a , having .
he s: desire , the :®"~H
opporvunlt:" to contlnue a a. extra year. , I di sOIDg~ .t'£ ac ­
ins and a ' stu ing ( uninte i liZi e
0 tae the extra)"S"tlli:rects
to se a B. ~ c . degree .
O'
So 'then yx N you went , getting on
stayed wjth C.I.L. for awhile an
off ere a job Broun B , t e ear .y
Internationa . i c~elin , in the r
rie;ht"
.c.
(
.
wit . the story ; you , you
then you . be ieve were
3 ' 5 with , a viousl with
finer ' in Copper C iff,
Yes , yes the is , that is correct hayinB gotten the , ( unintell.
stud ies
• • • soue;h.t emp oyment and this again is
in 1930 , the , he depression is nice y under way • • • sought
emp nymen and got hired. by the ~NKttKiN Canadian Industries ,
C.I.L. and they sent me to a , to Sudbury where they ha just
recent y com leted ? , acid plant in conjunction with the
east sme lt er which a so was going into product'on.
his would
be~ in 19, in 193.
0
arrived in Coniston ahout the 3rd
or 4th 0 June in 197.0.
Kbni~i .
Now I know as you oJ. us we ' r e getting re;ady for the
broadcast !"Ir . Cavers t~at there were some problems in getting
a , a re f iner going there . T at there was some prob ems to
so "'iTe . T at you ad a young± and eager team 0 youngsters
~a: practical y , te
us ' something about hose ear y years Y•
I
.h yes in 1930 they ":us·t · remarke tha
he' CIL acid pl f nt
the new sme ter comp ex in Copper C . f , that ' s where? he
three st ~ s are involvq and t .e¥ a , xk merican Me a s
a so ha just comp eted the u ' in::: of t e Ontario Refinery
over y h8 C. • • station which was the Copper efinery
f or the , for the copper :fa: phases of the nternational M
icke ' s operat ' omnc I nterhationa Ni clee had the ·fir st
opposition to buy that a , buyout th e kM American letals , '
~~~~ Copper g Re _inery and a , whereas N~ wher2a a lot 0
the men in the supervisor capac ity had been trained down
at (
) which was the home ,base ci the American
Meta s operatiens . The ha been trained on a , sC 8 a~ metal
lOU might say _. More pure than the , xxax the a , sm~lter
J (
) as it turned out at Copper Cli f created a
gre a t many problems and a , also as ou had stated al ot 0
the~ personne
at the refinery were a , young fellows either
'ust out of university or j ust out of schooling an a , I
think. it ' s uite recoe;nizab e at .that time the age 0 most
of the eop e involved at xNMx the Ontario R..~:f:i:~xxR e f inery
at t at time an man , many prob ems developed but by persisten<:.e.
.
7
and a ,
etermina
ey were a , the
~ on
were con uered .
D. M.
Inco Co per
H. C.
t is ERN rec03nize , it N is very much rec03nized as a ,
as premium g cop er e _um er one , A- 3rade premium Copper
as a rna ter 0
aet .
H. C.
ight •
- . C.
~±X±RX
- 1.. C.
.' M.
H. C.
is a , I t in
premium copper , right .
We
now get ing back to those ear
years , where i « did
you 1i "e? In a board me; _ ouse or sone hing in thoselt « early
years ' 31 , ' 3 , ' 33.
Yes a that time as a resul t 0 _ lK:NNX K construction many omes
opene themse ves to a , people or a oar:ing house asis .
00 homes , nice homes were involve in ( uninte 1 .
*i~K
A so rea izine; that it ",as a so e ression ime and t _e M~M
home whic I _ i ve was a , the Had home~:f on Larch treet-,
a1 most mrect y across from the a , Baptist Kchtirch and a ,
x at the s ' ght now artica
NggNpat occu ie
y the Salvation
Arm. Two or three of the boys from the refinery h boarded
there .
• M.
•r .,
xxth±H~
Live
there •
u~ you di'd n ' t a , i~ live th re a
that , you e;ot a yean or
home cookin8 . You 30t y ourself married around abou t ' is
t ime , rL t ?
es • • • I became married in 1933 . One does get tired of
eating out at a , ho e s o~ restaurants an . yeans or mother ' s
goo home made app e pie .
ow
,
-~
the ~l
oune;
ady
W
at was her mai en name ?
Her I'laiden nam'3 wa-s Gothre .
rom where , - i you te
me?
er ather "ras a , a C. P .. R. f'1an , he C.. P ~ R . superintendent
he a , Me: was a , (uninte .~ a so at Woodstoc , New Brunswlck
a a , 1\ those _orma i ve years an _ a , , I d,etermined Nlil:ta:X __ K
k£~ll1RHiN~ once she 3ave the (unin e 1.
she K ItlQu1d become
the I rs .
he a , sh.e "las
H.C .
-~
D-. i\l.
Th asound s very nlce
' , now ;..1T ' m gOlng
'
t
.AA -'0 pu t
ou S l
uare y _
on the sJ;/Q.t as I do Mr . Cavers at XiRlllK times . When an where
did- you-Pill'?;let the 6fIDIr; young Ie. y,? Y\ '~l me¢t her in a , in vloodsock , H ew Bruns1ick.
D• •'
I understan that but Xx ' K n a was this WEt kin3 a on the stre et
or at a ance 0 (uninte L
home or what?
H. C.
0 , no t e , he , wile I \'las at university I unders and that
the , • • • h~1. ami ie s x being relatively new it , .in he
start an a , ~~~ times , some eveningx times espe dai l~
here was a , tvites fr om one family to aNXMY~ another i~ the
community . That was one of he eatures in the , as we 1 as
the eature.s 0 Naritime hospita ity t hat a , it ' s not unusua
mr anyone f ami y t o inv ' te
or 3 ot er . ami ies in for a
evening an, 8 , a
( unint
Dcr"! .
_ good , a goo
e ?
'thing
w~ , - we
on ' t seem to do that muc
any
more ~.
•c.
I ' m afrAi
.- . . .
( uninte
1me now .
H. C.
. C.
.~
00
A"t;
the~boo
T e
00
ui e true , yes •
every o,y sit an
00_ at
quite , ui e content
ox , yes .
a
:T
~MX
'\~
tu e as ( uninte
the
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tube , tat , t at is
H. C.
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H. C.
Yes
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ave you any
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have one s,on
e ' s 8 , a high Be 00 teae er , e ' s a ig schoo
eacher ,
Got er is his name an . 8 , he ' s a hiZ sc 00 teacher hl!!'re
in Suo ur3T . A so I have ael pre,rj ous y .to xNxax that some
experience in the pu ic sc 001 teacl re:mg.
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nON a , alout your w~fe r-1rs . avers , we got H to /8 k
a out her a l itt e it more . I be ieve t at she a , ' s
erested in some e;ood wor"ke around . u ur 1f./i th the st.
re' ' s P_aeean a , wi
-The Heals on Wheels or SOMe hin e;
at true .,
H. C.
Yes it in the , within the ~ years tha I ' ve een on retirement
and after t . Andrew's P ace went into a , opera ion an that
was a cou Ie 0 years a o .
here are wo signi ican
hings
ta a , ta e p ace in St . An rew ' s Place . One is that there
is a itt e anti ue store an a , which x is a , staffed b
vo unteer-s la our arid a , my wi e mf occu 'ies the ca acid:t
o a , o. store keeper ""hen a f ter during the week.
n add it i on
to ha she a , has with what is Tlown as Hea. S on Whee s
which is a service per O][l'1le jointed between the 10spita\
a hospita s an a , a interested peo e in that . Meals prepared
at t~ hospita , he enera. Rospita at the present time ,
put up in un ' ts 0 _ N H a , ~ay soup an a , .a esSert , a main .
course mea 0 some mea or 1S of some nat ure an some
vegetables one up into a , a con ination and these are istriuted three times a week I uncerstan
y vo unteer abour to
peo e to,[ 0 are i
no, aE:0" ab e to get ou an pure ase 00
or hernse ves .
a e to au he present hie; cost 0 a
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o a , MRNi maintai n what \.,ou d neceRsari
e a e;ood
but a , y on an 'KIIIIIIIDL annua fee asis are ab e to
e pe in this manner and these , KN~xthese mea s are
y vo l.lnteer a our car , etc . and ~et the mealf
r~ Now 1r. C av~rs - his soumis
i . e a very , very l.vorthw i e
tine; to me sir .
,.,w get ine; bac to you , I have a itt e
note here t ·at says that " ou became intereste in Hafii\ ra io ,
is that true s ir?
H.C . That is , that is DIX true , uring my ormer years as a , in
high school an university a l though I was not • • . • too
bri ht a tu ent in , in turn I ad an interest in a , Hand
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radio and etermine . some ~ number of years agb in the thought
of a , c oming up or retirement it , ne m:s: must for the best
o all concerned have a hobb .. So a , about 1960 being
\
(~nintell .) b
other ~ hands , he a , thought tha I was too
. az to bear down and . 0 the ne cessar studying .
, I a;
eterJ:l1ined . 0 001 him and id:k t e stud ing and a , studied
the cod es and the e ectronic. principles , regular principles
I was REN aiR able to a , obtain a hand ra io lie ence in
1961 and code principall , on y as a , as a , x he rules
etermine . You must spend a ear o in~ vlhat they call
S . \ • an · then a , r ine; an examination ~n proficiency , of
·c00rse , got my 01 ine; tic etin a , a out 19 3 , I ~U
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