pro choice: 2queer || 2queer
* you just have to celebrate it, take pictures of it, bake cakes for it and pay for your
kids to be indoctrinated with it (don't get too hyped up about mothers day either)
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Lovemap
pro choice: 2queer || 2queer...........................................................................................................................1
Uvod..........................................................................................................................................................4
Tl;dr3.........................................................................................................................................................5
1. Što imaš od diskriminacije i ograničavanja tuđih prava?.................................................................5
2. Što imaš protiv “gay braka”?............................................................................................................7
3. Zar nemamo trenutno važnijih problema od definiranja obitelji i braka?........................................8
4. Whatever, kako bi se “vi” osjećali da “mi” glasamo o “vašem” braku?..........................................9
5. Whatever, kako će to istospolni brak ikako utjecati na vaš brak?....................................................9
6. Whatever, tko ste “vi” i tko je država da određuje tko koga smije voljeti?....................................10
7. Whatever, svi imamo pravo na obiteljski život. Zašto nam želite oduzeti pravo na obitelj?.........10
8. Whatever, ovo samo još produbljuje podjele i homofobiju u društvu............................................10
9. Whatever, pa neće nam valjda država i neke udruge određivati što je nama prihvatljivo i kako
ćemo svoju djecu odgajati..................................................................................................................11
10. Whatever, ma koja paranoja pogledajte samo zemlje koje su uvele inkluzivni brak, pa to su
najnaprednije i najbogatije zemlje svijeta...........................................................................................11
11. Whatever, čekajte samo da vidimo što je slijedeće.......................................................................12
{{0}} Make no mistake...........................................................................................................................13
Prigovor 1. Zašto se baviš tim a ne nekim prečim problemom?........................................................14
{{A}} Apsolutno isto..............................................................................................................................18
{{B}} Reductio ad absurdum..................................................................................................................19
Prigovor 1: Neplodni parovi...............................................................................................................27
Prigovor 2: Razvedeni ideal...............................................................................................................28
Prigovor 3: Ista priča kao i za "rasno čiste brakove"..........................................................................29
Prigovor 4: Baš, istom se logikom tisućljećima ugnjetavalo žene.....................................................30
Prigovor 5: Alternativna ljubav i skrb već su tu.................................................................................31
Prigovor 6: Konstrukcija inkluzivnog zeitgeista................................................................................32
Prigovor 7: Djeca u istospolnim zajednicama već su stvarnost..........................................................33
Prigovor 8: Get your rosaries off my ovaries.....................................................................................34
{{C}} Posvajanje djece nije samo posvajanje djece...............................................................................46
{{D}} Posvajanje djece jest i posvajanje djece......................................................................................51
Prigovor 1: Razvedeni ideal#2...........................................................................................................55
{{E}} Na kome je težina dokaza? (iliti standardni konzervativni prigovor)..........................................57
{{F}} Ugrožavanje tuđeg zdravlja (bolesti, darivanje krvi i organa te raspodjela javnog novca).........59
Prigovor 1: Ne generaliziraj...............................................................................................................63
Prigovor 2: Blah blah, potpuno nebitno, zato postoje testovi.............................................................64
Prigovor 3: Kako god, kakve ovo zapravo veze ima s 'brakom za sve'?............................................64
{{G}} Postmodernistička inqueerzicija.hr, dogma, jednoumlje i ograničavanje slobode drugih...........66
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If you don't like gay marriage don't get gay married. Right...............................................................69
Ponos i predrasude..............................................................................................................................83
<nesortirano diskriminacija/mržnja/osveta/nasilje/primitivizam>.....................................................86
Kalifornijski referendum (Prop8):.................................................................................................89
otpuštanje.......................................................................................................................................89
<nesortirano "liberalni" mediji i pomodarska kristofobija>...............................................................90
<nesortirano tautologija/dogma>........................................................................................................92
{{H}} Indoktri-nacija..............................................................................................................................95
Školstvo..............................................................................................................................................96
Viktimizacija.......................................................................................................................................99
Svi smo mi gay.................................................................................................................................101
{{I}} Pseudoznanost.............................................................................................................................103
Ex-gay – mit?....................................................................................................................................112
Đender trans | Gender in the blender................................................................................................114
{{J}} Seksualna revolucija++ pužnice--...............................................................................................117
pr0n...................................................................................................................................................119
Sexed sex-ed.....................................................................................................................................125
{{K}} The soaped slope........................................................................................................................130
Hakuna matata - the T factor............................................................................................................134
Apsurdistan..................................................................................................................................136
The love that dares not speak its name 2.0.......................................................................................138
Swinging with the saints - thou shalt not count................................................................................149
Krv nije voda....................................................................................................................................153
Transhuman......................................................................................................................................153
BDSM – Intimacy 2.0.......................................................................................................................156
Extrahuman.......................................................................................................................................156
Objectivism - larger than life............................................................................................................156
Gnothi seauton - We come full circle...............................................................................................157
<nesortirano>....................................................................................................................................157
{{L}} (I forgot my) mantra...................................................................................................................160
Inkluzivno!........................................................................................................................................160
Tolerantno!........................................................................................................................................161
Otvoreno!..........................................................................................................................................163
Znanstveno!......................................................................................................................................163
{{M}} The feminist crusade i ostali pro-choice srodnici.....................................................................165
Prigovor 1: Guilt-by-association fallacy...........................................................................................173
<nesortirano>........................................................................................................................................176
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Uvod
Zapis misli koji slijedi razvio se iz bilješki nastalih na osnovi/nakon, sada već
pradavnog, posjeta forumu portala Križ života i temi "Homoseksualnost". U međuvremenu je
imenovana tema nestala s foruma (iako je bila dugačka stotine stranica) a kasnije i sam forum
zajedno s portalom1. Usporedno s time i sam je sadržaj i cilj ovog dokumenta davno prerastao
okvire "običnog" forumskog odgovora. Transformacija u standardni/formalni oblik
rada/manifesta/pamfleta/disertacije tek je u tijeku i sam je tekst još uvijek ispresijecan
ostatcima forumske diskusije i njenih aktera 2 (a koji se pak svi i ne tiču izravno teme queer
teorije/ideologije/aktivizma) te povećom količinom nesortiranih informacija, isječaka,
linkova i misli, što mojih što tuđih. U principu bi konačan oblik trebao biti standardna teoremdokaz-prigovor-odgovor forma iako poneki zaostatak 'forumskog duha' može biti dobrodošao
radi opipljivijeg dojma 'spojenosti sa stvarnim životom'.
Tekst je objavljen prije završetka zbog enormnog vremena već utrošenog na njegovo
stvaranje i istovremene nejenjavajuće aktualnosti tematike na svjetskoj razini. Do konačnog
uređenja slučajnom prolazniku može poslužiti bar kao izvor informacija kao i uvid u jednu
točku gledišta.
Vrijeme zadnje izmjene: 27.03.2015
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U međuvremenu se sam portal ponovo pojavio: http://kriz-zivota.com
Za one koji su vidjeli i originalnu raspravu, prvenstveno koristim riječi tri osobe: "naomi", "prodotes" i "xp2px".
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Tl;dr3
S obzirom na stanje i duljinu ovog dokumenta, na početku je dana jedna 'kratka' lista često
postavljanih pitanja (ali i nažalost jednostavno plitkih spinova) i odgovora na temu pro/kontra
redefinicije braka i queer aktivizma, koja možda mogu dati grubi osjećaj sadržaja i ovog
dokumenta a tiču se i RH referenduma o ustavnoj definiciji braka. Za izvore i reference za
ovo poglavlje čitatelj se mora poslužiti ostatkom dokumenta.
1. Što imaš od diskriminacije i ograničavanja tuđih prava?
1. Na osnovu čega pretpostavljate da je “gay brak” “ljudsko pravo”? Takav se
konsenzus ne može ni naslutiti niti u domaćem zakonodavstvu niti u
međunarodnom pravu, konvencijama ili praksi:
• ECHR (Europski sud za ljudska prava u Strasbourgu) presudio je relativno
nedavno u tri slučaja da “istospolni brak” ne spada u kategoriju ljudskih
prava.
• Trenutni Obiteljski zakon i Zakon o suzbijanju diskriminacije Republike
Hrvatske (a koji poznaje diskriminaciju na osnovi seksualne orijentacije)
jasno kažu da definiranje braka kao zajednice žene i muškarca (kako ga
trenutno definira Obiteljski zakon) ne predstavlja diskriminaciju.
• OESS je nedavno odbio prihvatiti tzv. Yogyakarta deklaraciju sastavljenu od
strane LGBT aktivista koja pokušava uvesti posebna nova prava za LGBT
osobe te pojmove "seksualna orijentacija" i "rodni identitet" u međunarodno
pravo.
• Europski je parlament, opet nedavno i iako većinu drže socijalističke,
komunističke, zelene i liberalne stranke, 90%-tnom većinom odbio radikalnu
rezoluciju na bazi tzv. Estrela-izvještaja kojom bi EU, između ostalog,
prisilila sve države članice na normizaciju i obveznu indoktrinaciju djece još
od vrtićke dobi blagodatima 'slobodnog i sigurnog' seksa, abortusa,
homoseksualnosti i istraživanja "rodnog identiteta".
• Niti nedavne "progay" presude Vrhovnog suda SAD-a (slučajevi "DOMA" i
"Prop8") ili ECHR-a (slučaj građanskih zajednica u Grčkoj) nisu
izmislile/"uspostavile" pravo (bilo ljudsko, građansko ili ustavno) na
"istospolni brak".
• Vrhovni je sud američke savezne države Massachusetts 2003. godine
činom sudskog aktivizma uveo "istospolne brakove" u tu državu
(proglasivši, mimo volje građana, zakonsku regulaciju braka kao zajednice
žene i muškarca protuustavnom, prvi slučaj u SAD-u) da bi par godina
kasnije taj isti "aktivistički" sud jednoglasnom odlukom presudio da
građanska inicijativa (referendum) koja bi ustavnim amandmanom vratila
prijašnju definiciju braka (stavljajući je u ustav te savezne države) nije
protuustavna.
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http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/TL;DR
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tl%3Bdr
http://www.spinlista.info
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• ...
• Osim/mimo pravnih gledišta, dovoljno je otići korak natrag i postaviti
jednostavno logično pitanje: kako nešto može istovremeno biti i "ljudsko
pravo" i "društveni konstrukt" (jer proizvoljni "kako ga mi sebi zamislimo"
brak, koji nije baziran na spolnoj komplementarnosti ljudskog bića te djece
koja iz iste proizlaze, sigurno ne predstavlja "prirodan konstrukt" odnosno
objektivnu stvarnost)?
2. Bilo koja definicija braka pa tako i “gay brak” jest “diskriminatorna”.
Vrlo jednostavno: izvorno značenje riječi (latinski discriminare) jest razlikovanje
odnosno razlučivanje pa tako i “gay brak” definira što jest brak a što nije. Uvodi
nova ili zadržava postojeća, potecijalno “diskriminatorna”, ograničenja: dvoje odraslih - poslovno sposobnih - ljudi - u-ne-prebliskom-srodstvu.
Drugim riječima: prvo očito diskriminatorno ograničenje predstavlja broj dva jer je
isti ništa drugo nego implikacija odnosno zaostatak prijašnje prirodne definicije na
bazi binarne/dvojne spolne prirode čovjeka, a ako smo iz srži braka izbacili ženu,
muškarca i djecu koji se racionalni razlog može ponuditi za inzistiranje na "tamo
nekom broju dva"?
Trećim riječima: ako ste za "gay brak" znači li to da ste zapravo ograničeno
uskogrudni i protiv nesputane i otvorene, višestruke ljubavi slobodne od ljubomore
i posesivnosti?
Srodstvo i tabu incesta? Potpuno nebitno u neplodnim zajednicama. Zar ste
stvarno toliko uskogrudni da ograničite tu novu, duplu ljubav dvije (ili tri) sestre?
Konačno, ne radi se o diskriminaciji osoba nego o diskriminaciji (u smislu
razlikovanja) zajednica/ponašanja/životnog stila - istoj onoj diskriminaciji koja je
inherentna postupku posvajanja djeteta: gdje je prvi kriterij po kojem se rangiraju
(diskriminiraju) kandidati primarni interes djeteta.
3. Brak nije potreban za regulaciju alternativnih životnih zajednica.
Institucijom registriranog partnerstva moguće je riješiti sve zakonske probleme
alternativnih životnih zajednica (poput nasljeđivanja, posjećivanja u bolnici i sl.)
osim naravno potvrđenja ideoloških dogmi da su “sve zajednice jednake” (kad već
priroda kaže da nisu) i da bilo tko može imati “pravo” na dijete (na drugu ljudsku
osobu, i da posljedično automatski djeca nemaju pravo na oca i majku).
4. Klasični spin ad hominem difamacije cirkularnom argumentacijom
Pitanje pretpostavlja ono što želi implicirati: da je svatko tko podržava viziju braka i
obitelji kakva još uvijek vrijedi u velikoj većini društava zapravo obični zlikovac koji
je protiv nekoga. Naprotiv, inicijativa za prirodan brak je upravo to, pro a ne kontra.
Ona je za pravo na prigovor savjesti, za pravo djeteta na prirodne roditelje, za
slobodu govora i misli, za slobodu od indoktrinacije i državno nametnute i k tome
manjinske ideologije (a što "društveno konstruirani koncept braka" jest), za
slobodu od prinudnog sufinanciranja rodne (ili bilo koje druge) ideologije kroz
plaćanje poreza, za vjersku i svjetonazorsku slobodu...
Naravno, stav za nešto često uključuje i stav protiv nečega, pa tako ovaj
referendum ima određenu snagu i da spriječi totalitarne tendencije vlasti da
primjerice počne prisiljavati matičare da čine ono što kada su oni stjecali svoje
zvanje nikome nije palo ni na pamet, ili pak psihologe i socijalne djelatnike da
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potpisuju predavanje djeteta duetu tata samo da zadovolje antidiskriminacijsku
kvotu iako postoje i mama i tata koji bi rado udomili to dijete, ili pak...
Pro life a ne anti choice...
2. Što imaš protiv “gay braka”?
1. Zahtijeva umjetnu (ideološki konstruiranu) redefiniciju koncepta braka i
posljedičnu radikalnu i kompleksnu izmjenu postojećeg zakonodavstva kojom brak
gubi svaku vezu s prirodom čovjeka i postaje čisto apstraktan koncept baziran na
queer teoriji, ugovornom pravu i ekonomiji podložan daljnjem beskonačnom
redefiniranju (npr. pretprošlogodišnji u-zadnji-tren-spriječeni propagandni film
Zagreb Pridea jasno je dao do znanja da oni misle da je sasvim zdravo da dijete
odgajaju transseksualci; u Kanadi, Nizozemskoj i SAD-u već postoje zahtjevi za
legalizacijom poliamorije/poligamije koji su u određenoj mjeri negdje već i
ispunjeni, itd...). Slijedeće logično pitanje jest zašto bi se država uopće trebala
baviti tom "apstrakcijom"?
2. Ukida pravo djeteta na biološke roditelje, majku i oca, te ih pretvara u
homofoban koncept.
Politički korektna dogma prešutno će odobravati svjesno dovođenje na svijet djece
koja o minimalno jednom biološkom roditelju neće znati ništa (što već samo po
sebi predstavlja hendikep u slučaju genetskih bolesti) osim da su se za njih bavili
oblikom reproduktivne prostitucije: ili anonimna surogatska “majka” (“ljudska
nesilica”) koja se nakon rođenja odmah odriče svog djeteta zbog novca (i
uskraćuje mu najsnažniju prirodnu potrebu, onu za majčinim grudima) ili anonimni
“otac” donor koji je upotpunio kućni budžet “vođenjem ljubavi” sa sterilnom čašom.
Jednostavno tvrdeći da je "binarni rodni sustav" društveno nametnuta konvencija
(pretpostavljam i kod svih ostalih eukariotskih organizama) ta nas (uistinu
društveno nametnuta) "istina" uči da djeci zapravo nisu potrebni modeli prirodnih
muško-žensko, majka-otac i muž-žena odnosa. Posljedično, ne dozvoljava niti da
u procesu posvajanja prednost imaju prirodne obitelji da se ne povrijedi
proglašena “jednakost” čime se direktno oštećuje dijete, (a) uskračujući mu
optimalno i nezbunjujuće okruženje koje po svojoj (evoluiranoj) prirodi očekuje i
(b) ukidajući dobrotvorni status (oslobođenje od poreza) i bilo kakvo državno
subvencioniranje svih ustanova za nezbrinutu djecu koja ne žele davati djecu
homoseksualnim zajednicama ili samo žele dati prioritet prirodnim obiteljima (čime
ih se često prisiljava na zatvaranje).
I posvojena i “naručena”/”proizvedena” djeca u takvim su “brakovima” osuđena
shvatiti (pa zatomiti?) da njihove “obitelji” nisu tako savršeno normalne već pri
prvoj proslavi majčinog i/ili očevog dana u vrtiću (naravno dok se ti zastarjeli nazivi
ne zamijene nekim novim bezličnim “inkluzivnim” slavljem).
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3. U praksi predstavlja samo moćan alat za daljnje nametanje jednoumlja,
queer ideologije i norm(al)izaciju preostalih slova LGBTTIIQQA "kratice".
Iskustvo zemalja koje su uvele “inkluzivni” brak pokazuje da se samo manji dio
“neheteroseksualnih osoba” na njega i odlučuje dok je s druge strane poslužio,
između ostalog, kao isprika za:
• ukidanje “prigovora savjesti” (i dijeljenje otkaza odnosno izvođenje pred sud
npr. matičara ili privatnih uslužnih djelatnika, od cvjećara do orguljaša, koji
odbiju provesti ili poslužiti ceremonije ili proslave sklapanja istospolnih
brakova)
• kriminalizaciju dragovoljne terapije poremećaja seksualne orijentacije
• totalitarno gaženje slobode govora kroz Orwelijanske zakone protiv “govora
mržnje” (u što, prema queer aktivistima, spada i izjava da djeca imaju pravo
na oca i majku kao i npr. javno iznošenje vjerskog nauka o ljudskoj
spolnosti)
• ukidanje mogućnosti posvajanja djece supružnicima koji nemaju "pozitivan
stav o homoseksualnosti" (npr. drže da je spolni odnos između osoba istog
spola protivan "naravnom zakonu" i krajnjem čovjekovom ispunjenju ili da je
jednostavno izvor zaraze ili da nikad ne može biti moralan)
• uvođenje još eksplicitnijeg “seksualnog odgoja” u školi i u sve ranijoj dobi
(uz uskraćivanje znanstvenih statističkih činjenica o zdravstvenoj štetnosti
tih "alternativnih seksualnih životnih stilova")
• uvođenje (poreznim novcem financirane) službene indoktrinacije djece još
od vrtićke dobi “potpunom normalnošću” homo, trans, xyz... seksualnosti
• omogućavanje "dječacima koji se osjećaju kao djevojčice" da koriste ženske
školske WC-e i obrnuto
• ...
3. Zar nemamo trenutno važnijih problema od definiranja obitelji i braka?
Imamo:
• Inicijativa za obranu statusa quo je po prirodi reakcionarna, tj. reagira na druge
inicijative koje žele promijeniti trenutno stanje, u tom smislu "krivnju" za "trošenje
vremena i novaca" snose inicijative koje pokreću promjene. Inicijative za
redefinicijom braka (i društvenog shvaćanja ljudske spolnosti kao i učenja o istoj u
javnim školama) aktivne su i glasne već više od deset godina i nikada se nisu
pozivale na demokratsku proceduru nego na moć vlasti (i/ili sudstva u commonlaw
državama) da ispune njihove zahtjeve neovisno o volji građana. Zašto je onda
odjednom problem ako se (i) taj proces "dovede u pitanje" i to još demokratskim
putem referenduma? Ako je ova tema tobože toliko nebitna ili nepotrebna zašto je
izazvala
toliku
histeriju,
zgražanje,
vrijeđanje
i
pozive
na
linč
"lijevo"/"liberalno"/"progresivnog" dijela društva koje misli da je brak ono što "mi"
(ljudi) odlučimo da jest (samo što u tom slučaju u ljude spadaju samo oni koji
razmišljaju "lijevo"/"liberalno"/"progresivno")?
• I baš zato je razrješenje tog nejenjavajućeg pitanja demokratskim putem, kroz
referendum i argumentirane javne rasprave bez panike i paušalnih ad hominema,
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toliko i potrebno. Zdravo je za demokraciju, zdravo je za transparentnost i istinitu
informaciju i zdravo je za korekciju vlasti. Kako je ove godine i sam Gert Hekma
(samoproglašeni pedofil u intervjuu s Gordanom Duhačekom za T-portal pod
nazivnom “Homoseksualnost i pedofilija su povijesni suputnici”) rekao: “s propasti
radničke klase ljevica treba nove glasače [seksualne manjine]”. U prijevodu, od
socijaldemokracije u Europi nije ostala ni demokracija ni socijala nego sama
ideologija i to vidimo diljem Europe, od obećanog oporavka socijalističkih vlada
jedno veliko ništa ali glavno da Španjolska, Portugal i Francuska imaju gay
brakove (unatoč ogromnoj nezaposlenosti i buntu građana). Ili primjer Baracka
Obame, vrhovnog zapovjednika bespilotnih letjelica i Guantanamo mučilišta, koji
unatoč obećanjima još nije zatvorio ili pak pomogao deložiranim Amerikancima ali
jest koristio i koristi američku diplomaciju za internacionalnu LGBT propagandu i
aktivizam (pogotovo u Afričkim zemljama gdje stvarno nemaju "važnijih
problema"), valjda je za to dobio Nobela za mir. Jasnim javnim stavom koji ima
snagu konsenzusa (npr. referendumom) demos ima zato priliku reći vladi da se
umjesto izakulisnim pokušajima ideoloških prekrajanja zakona bave onim
zbog čega su i izabrani: korupcijom i gospodarstvom.
S obzirom na nedemokratske tendencije u povijesti uvođenja istospolnih brakova drugdje
u svijetu, nedemokratsko ponašanje trenutne vlasti kao i stvarne izjave više ministara i
premijera kao i predsjednika te cijelih parlamentarnih stranaka da su za "rodno neutralnu"
definiciju braka (kao i primjerice pokušaj nametanja tog neznanstvenog stava kroz
nezakonito uveden školski zdravstveni odgoj) smatram potpuno opravdanom ozbiljnu,
kritičnu i jasnu analizu ("dekonstrukciju") ove teme kao i inicijative koje omogućuju
građanima da se sami izjasne, umjesto da to u njihovo ime učine političari, Bruxelles i
parade, jesu li oni za to da i Hrvatska svojevrsnim automatizmom krene putem rodne
ideologije samo zato jer to neki smatraju samoevidentnim civilizacijskim napretkom (a svi
ostali su tolerantno inkluzivnim automatizmom zli, neosviješteni, prljavi, barbarski
homofobi godine iz pokatoličene jazbine koji bacaju ljude u peći). Ustavno razrješenje
ovog pitanja koje već dulje, što direktno što indirektno, okupira politički prostor omogućilo
bi barem djelomično vraćanje fokusa na druge probleme.
4. Whatever, kako bi se “vi” osjećali da “mi” glasamo o “vašem” braku?
U tome i jest stvar, ovo je pitanje apsurdno: “naš” brak nije (samo) društveni konstrukt, on
proizlazi direktno iz ljudske prirode i da ga se glasovanjem “ukine” značilo bi ukinuti
civilizaciju, tko bi donio slijedeću generaciju?
5. Whatever, kako će to istospolni brak ikako utjecati na vaš brak?
Niti pornografija i prostitucija, navodno, ne utječu nužno na "mene"/"moj brak"/"moju
djecu", niti "no-fault"/"on-demand" razvodi, navodno, ne utječu na "moj" brak kao što niti
"on-demand" abortus (još jedno sveto ljudsko pravo u rodnoj ideologiji), navodno, ne
utječe na "moju djecu" (osim što su sva ta "prava" radikalno izmijenila zapadnu
civilizaciju) – zar zbog toga automatski nemam pravo zauzeti i izraziti stav prema tim
pojavama i idejama?
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Drugim riječima, čak i da nekim čudom apstraktna queer redefinicija braka (koja je već i
samo praktično/pravno/papirološki kompliciranija od svih gore navedenih promjena
zajedno) nema nikakav utjecaj na "naš brak", zašto je ovo pitanje uopće bitno? Kakav je
to zastrašujuće sebičan vid postojanja u kojem djelovanje može biti smisleno samo ako
rezultati istog nužno uključuju vlastiti interes??
Neovisno o odgovorima na gornja pitanja, detaljna razrada kako istospolni brak utječe na
"moj brak", "svačiju djecu", društvo i državu dana je u ostatku dokumenta.
6. Whatever, tko ste “vi” i tko je država da određuje tko koga smije voljeti?
Ljubljenje i ljubav postoje i sada izvan braka, definicija braka nema veze s tim. Isto se
tako država "ne miješa nikome u krevet" niti sada kada je prirodna definicija braka u
Obiteljskom zakonu niti će kada/ako takva bude i u Ustavu. Članovi Iskoraka i Kontre i
sada, bez "inkluzivnog braka za sve", mogu bez straha raditi "u krevetu" što god žele,
čemu svjedoče opisi ljepote analnog seksa na njihovim blogovima kao i brošure o
"igricama s guzom" sufinancirane novcem poreznih obveznika. Određena definicija braka
ne implicira kriminalizaciju "drugačijeg" seksualnog ponašanja, non sequitur.
Da se i omogući “gay brak” država bi i društvo i dalje razlikovalo one koji su u
(potencijalno gay) braku i one koji su izvan braka (vidi 1b). Da se ne bi vrijeđalo osjećaje
onih koji “ne žele taj papir” prema tome treba brak kompletno ukinuti (da bi “sve ljubavi
stvarno bile jednake”). Jednako kao što se radi rangiranje potencijalnih posvojitelja a sve
u interesu djeteta (neovisno o “osjećajima” posvojitelja) država s istom nakanom regulira
brak u skladu s ljudskom prirodom i najboljim interesima djece odnosno budućih
generacija i daje mu poseban status zbog iznimne važnosti za društvo (bilo će koji
psiholog reći da su zdravi brakovi preduvjet za zdravo društvo jer svi mi iz njih
potječemo).
7. Whatever, svi imamo pravo na obiteljski život. Zašto nam želite oduzeti
pravo na obitelj?
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"Mi" to niti želimo, niti možemo. Pravo na obitelj ne može se bilo kome niti dodijeliti
niti oduzeti jer koncept obitelji proizlazi iz ljudske prirode a ne iz nekog društvenog
konstrukta. Da i potpuno izbacimo spomen braka iz zakonodavstva i dalje bi
postojale mame i tate i njihova djeca (ili ne bi bilo slijedeće generacije) ali ne bi
postojale, državno sponzorirane, surogatske majke, banke spermi i umjetna
oplodnja za žene koje su odlučile odrezati grudi i postati muškarci ali zadržati
maternicu.
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Kojim smo točno znanstvenim otkrićem spoznali da djetetu nije potrebna njegova
biološka obitelj i još manje da na nju ima pravo?
8. Whatever, ovo samo još produbljuje podjele i homofobiju u društvu.
To zasigurno nije cilj. Ako kritičko mišljenje, istina i javna rasprava te demokratski proces
produbljuju podjele i netrpeljivost u društvu to društvo ima puno dubljih problema, ali
rješenje ni tih ni bilo kojih drugih problema ne može biti u suspenziji slobode misli i
veselog spusta niz sklisku kosinu. Vjerujem da je stavljanje sadržaja ove problematike u
javnu sferu, s obzirom da je ionako neizbježno aktualna, na dobrobit cijelog društva i da
kultura diskursa kao i referenduma potiče razvoj građanske i demokratske svijesti.
Ograđujem se oštro od bilo koga tko misli ili želi iskoristiti ovakve tekstove i društvene
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akcije za promoviranje netrpeljivosti ili diskriminacije (uz pretpostavku da pravo djeteta na
majku i oca ne predstavlja “diskriminaciju” ili “govor mržnje") i pozivam takve da se
uključe u izgradnju društva dijaloga i na spremnost za upoznavanje drugog i drugačijeg.
Osim nažalost stvarne prisutnosti netrpeljivosti i diskriminacije kako u našem društvu
tako i čovječanstvu općenito, stvarna je i žalosna mogućnost da ova kretanja neki
politički krugovi iskoriste za radikalizaciju postojećih podjela u društvu kao i da ju na
sličan način neki kratkovidni krugovi u vjerskim zajednicama, uključujući i katoličku crkvu,
iskoriste za nekršćansko busanje u prsa i "mi protiv njih" poruke (protivne i katekizmu
katoličke crkve). S druge strane netrpeljivost, uvredljivo diskriminatorna isključivost i
nedemokratičnost i kod onih koji su tzv. pro-gay stavova ("anticrkvenih" ili "lijevih" dijelova
društva) već je dulje vrijeme aktualna kao i totalitarne tendencije vrijeđanja i manipulacije
demokratskih procesa te onih koji drugačije misle. U takvom ozračju "nezdravog
zračenja" i s jedne i druge strane jedino što možemo učiniti jest biti nova snaga u društvu
koja se neće solidarizirati ni sa kojim "zračenjem" nego se jednostavno vratiti na izvorno
pitanje o prirodi čovjeka i braka, dobrobiti djece i ustroju države te omogućiti svakome da
se izjasni po svojoj savjesti bez da bude etiketiran bilo kao homofob ili homofašist.
S tim rečenim bitno je naglasiti da postojanje netrpeljivosti i diskriminacije ni na koji način
ne povlači automatizmom za sobom prepoznavanje istospolnih brakova s mogućnošću
posvajanja, naručivanja ili “proizvodnje” djece - to je jednostavni logički non sequitur.
Neki transseksualci, poliamoristi ili pedofili ili … bi sigurno isto htjeli "brak" a sigurno isto
nisu baš svugdje dobrodošli pa to ne znači da bi ih društvo trebalo “utješiti” još
“inkluzivnijim” brakom. Brak je vrlo ozbiljna stvar i nije alat za “suzbijanje diskriminacije”,
tome služi odgoj, obrazovanje, provedba antidiskriminacijskih zakona i osobni doprinos
svakoga od nas.
9. Whatever, pa neće nam valjda država i neke udruge određivati što je nama
prihvatljivo i kako ćemo svoju djecu odgajati.
Naravno, i neće, ništa više ili manje nego što to i sada čini odnosno čine. Naprotiv
upravo nakon što se redefinira brak/legalizira “istospolni brak” država počinje propisivati
što moramo odobravati i “kako ćemo odgajati našu djecu” pa već imamo
presude/odredbe prema kojima se kršćanskom paru u Velikoj Britaniji nije dozvolilo
posvajanje djeteta (i to prije nego je tamo legaliziran gay brak) jer drže da spolni odnosi
između osoba istog spola nisu moralni ili se roditeljima u Kanadi, SAD-u, ..., ne
dozvoljava da isključe djecu iz vrtića i prvih školskih razreda kad na dnevni red dođe
državna indoktrinacija slikovnicama o "dva zaljubljena princa" i slično.
10. Whatever, ma koja paranoja pogledajte samo zemlje koje su uvele
inkluzivni brak, pa to su najnaprednije i najbogatije zemlje svijeta...
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Kao npr. Argentina, Brazil, Urugvaj, Južnoafrička republika, Španjolska i Portugal?
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Ili zašto su Njemačka i Japan među najjačim svjetskim gospodarstvima iako još
imaju zaostalu definiciju braka?
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Ili pak Hrvatska mora poput Nizozemske legalizirati i prostituciju, lake droge i
eutanaziju djece da bi postala napredna i bogata?
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Ili smijemo li zaviriti u službene statistike o prosječnom trajanju braka, broju
izvanbračne djece i stopama raširenosti spolnih bolesti u tim naprednim i bogatim
zemljama?
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Ili što je sad s onom korelacija ne implicira kauzalnost?
11. Whatever, čekajte samo da vidimo što je slijedeće.
Ako je cilj inicijative onemogućiti olaku promjenu statusa quo bez nacionalnog koncezusa
(izjašnjavanjem građana na referendumu ili dvotrećinskom saborskom većinom
potrebnom za izmjenu Ustava) kako ista ta inicijativa može dovesti do nečega što
trenutno ne postoji?
Da, konačno održavanje narodnog referenduma u RH može dovesti do oživljavanja
kulture referenduma te da se građani počnu više aktivirati kroz tu demokratsku opciju i
oko drugih tema. Zar je to loše? Ideja demokracije počiva na pretpostavci da se 10%
birača neće mobilizirati oko nebuloze jer u krajnjoj bi liniji na regularnim izborima isto tako
mogli izabrati "Stranku nebuloza". Nakon svega, da "nebuloze i pobijede", postoje
institucije Ustavnog suda i međunarodnih konvencija koje imaju snagu reći da neke stvari
ipak ne mogu proći. U svakom slučaju to nema veze sa "spornom temom" nego s
referendumom kao takvim. Trivijalna podmetanja da je ovo samo uvod u "progon" "ostalih
manjina", nacionalnih, vjerskih ili rasnih, uistinu su redikulna. Pa skoro sve su vjerske
zajednice u RH poduprle ovu inicijativu uključujući i one koje imaju i nacionalnu
poveznicu (poput SPC-a) slično kao što je npr. u također katolibanskoj Poljskoj crnac,
zastupnik u parlamentu, ustao u obranu prirodnog braka (očito bez straha da je i sam
"slijedeći na redu").
Ako su slični referendumi već raspisani "od Slovenije do Kalifornije", i nigdje se nije
dogodilo to "slijedeće", zašto je toliko "opasno" ako isto požele učiniti i građani RH?
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{{0}} Make no mistake
Ako netko misli ili želi misliti da sadržaj ovog dokumenta daje ili i na koji način želi dati za
pravo "pravim" "pazi pepeljara"/"samo ih treba umlatit"/"God hates the fags" "hejterima", bilo
"naci" bilo "klerofašističkog" ili pak "oriđiđi staljinističkog" porijekla, neka proba upiti ove
stihove Ljubice Duić-Jovanović:
Što vrijedi da si Hrvat,
Kršćanin smjerni vjeri predan,
Mržnjom ako zboriš,
Tek odmazde žedan?
Što vrijedi da si Hrvat,
Ako po ljubavi Hrvat nisi?
Jer za nju ako samo mrziš,
Protiv Hrvatske i ti si!
i retke iz katekizma katoličke crkve:
"Nemali broj muškaraca i žena pokazuju duboke homoseksualne težnje. Ne biraju oni
svoje homoseksualno stanje; ono za većinu njih predstavlja kušnju. Zato ih treba
prihvaćati s poštivanjem, suosjećanjem i obazrivošću. Izbjegavat će se prema njima
svaki znak nepravedne diskriminacije. Te su osobe pozvane da u svom životu ostvare
Božju volju, i ako su kršćani, da sa žrtvom Gospodinova Križa sjedine poteškoće koje
mogu susresti uslijed svojega stanja." 4
Ili u protivnom neka slobodno "stisne Alt+F4"...
Osim jasne razlike između homoseksualca kao osobe i homoseksualnosti kao ponašanja ili stila
života kako ih razlikuje i katolički katekizam, bitna razlika postoji između općenito
neheteroseksualnih ljudi (bez obzira žive li svoju seksualnost ili ne) i gay/queer aktivista koji
uz disproporcionalnu i filtriranu medijsku i političku platformu pokreću spominjane društvene
promjene a koji su prvenstvena "meta" ovog teksta. Razlika je bitna u toliko što da ovi potonji
nisu kakvi se kroz ovu analizu pokazuju da jesu, ovaj tekst uopće ne bi bio potreban. Sukob
različitih pogleda na istu stvarnost može općenito biti dobra stvar, svojevrstan plamen
pročišćenja i na mene je ovaj proces zasigurno i tako djelovao. Produbio sam i pročistio svoje
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naravno taj odlomak neodvojiv je od onog prije i poslije njega:
"Homoseksualnost označava odnose između muškaraca ili žena koji osjećaju spolnu privlačnost, isključivu ili pretežitu,
prema osobama istoga spola. Očituje se u vrlo različitim oblicima kroz vjekove i u različitim kulturama. Njezin psihički
nastanak ostaje velikim dijelom neprotumačiv. Oslanjajući se na Sveto pismo, koje ih prikazuje kao teško izopačenje,
Predaja je uvijek tvrdila da su "čini homoseksualni u sebi neuredni". Protive se naravnom zakonu. Oni spolni čin
zatvaraju daru života. Ne proizlaze iz prave čuvstvene i spolne komplementarnosti. Ni u kojem slučaju ne mogu biti
odobreni."
"Homoseksualne osobe pozvane su na čistoću. Krepostima ovladavanja sobom, odgojiteljicama nutarnje slobode, kadšto
uz potporu nesebična prijateljstva, molitvom i sakramentalnom milošću, one se mogu i moraju, postupno i odlučno,
približiti kršćanskom savršenstvu."
Uz praktičan primjer: http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-family-group-running-24-7-prayer-campaign-duringtorontorsquos-pride-we.
http://www.antrimparish.com/2013/04/pope-francis-triumphalism-is-a-temptation-of-christians
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/us-bishop-we-fight-same-sex-marriage-out-of-love-for-homosexuals-video
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shvaćanje čovjeka i muško-ženskih odnosa kao i svoje konkretne uloge supruga i oca. Borba za
demokratski uređeno društvo i slobodu mišljenja, gdje vlast ne preodgaja demos nego mu
služi, isključuje ugrožavanje ili nijekanje građanskih i ljudskih prava jednako kao što kršćanski
model stvarnosti dodjeljuje posebno i neotuđivo dostojanstvo svakoj osobi bez iznimke.
Međutim, problem se rađa iz dvoličnosti LGBT aktivizma kojeg medijska mašinerija prikazuje
kao nezaustavljivi osloboditeljski duh Voltairea:
"What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and
error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly — that is the first law of nature."
dok u praksi isti utjelovljuje korporativno i državno sponzoriranog 5 Robespierrea s dildom6:
"Terror is nothing other than justice, prompt, severe, inflexible; it is therefore an
emanation of virtue; it is not so much a special principle as it is a consequence of the
general principle of democracy applied to our country's most urgent needs.".
U tako izgrađenoj totalitarnoj atmosferi "pravednog bijesa", jednoumlja i linča, "plamen
pročišćenja" i sloboda misli do kraja su ugušeni novogovorom (npr. misliti da dijete ima pravo
na oca i majku znači "mrziti" ?!?) i zato je potrebno pokazati zube ideološkim profiterima
ekonomske krize koji pokušavaju u pozadini, mimo demokratskih procesa, progurati
totalitarne pseudoznanstvene ideologije dok većina pokušava spojiti kraj s krajem.
Prigovor 1. Zašto se baviš tim a ne nekim prečim problemom?
To je standardni prigovor digresije koji se može postaviti gotovo uvijek i svakome.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_that_support_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/05/20/wall_street_will_bring_gay_rights_to_the_republican_party.html
http://glsen.org/sponsors
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/leak-bank-of-montreal-now-requiring-business-partners-to-conform-to-its-pro
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/expose-on-pro-family-groups-shows-how-massively-better-funded-the-gay-movem
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/14c/hrc-attacks-on-pro-family/hrc-corporate-sponsors.html
http://www.crol.hr/portal/aktivizam-politika/politika/5040-elite-uloiti-u-lgbt-prava-evo-prilike.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/image/worldpride-2014-torontojpeg-06aeajpg
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/guinness-heineken-sam-adams-pull-sponsorship-of-st.-patrick-day-parades-ove
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/legal-expert-calls-for-mozilla-boycott-after-ceos-pressured-to-apologize-fo
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/3/chase-bank-surveys-workers-see-if-theyre-ally-lgbt
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/04/uh-oh-60-of-intel-employees-who-donated-in-prop-8-debate-supported-banninggay-marriage
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/rights/5-leading-lgbt-friendly-companies
http://americansfortruth.com/issues/wells-fargo
http://www.vigilare.org/priopcenje/platforma-112-milijuna
http://uimeobitelji.net/2013/12/21/upit-nacionalnoj-zakladi-za-razvoj-civilnog-drustva
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/tech-news/internet/Google-doodle-flies-gay-flag-for-SochiOlympics/articleshow/29976963.cms
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/04/att-russia-anti-gay_n_4724374.html
://narod.hr/svijet/uganda-na-udaru-svjetske-banke-radi-zabrane-homoseksualnosti
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/same-love-cbs-airs-same-sex-weddings-during-grammy-awards
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/christian-artists-skip-walk-out-of-satanic-grammy-awards-show
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/christian-activist-calls-out-walmarts-increasing-capitulation-to-gay-agenda
http://massresistance.org/docs/gen2/14d/hrc-banquet/welcoming-schools.html
http://massresistance.org/docs/gen2/14d/hrc-banquet/update_120514.html
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2015/corporations-enemy
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/cicak-slavko-linic-mi-je-rekao-da-se-za-nevladine-udruge-godisnje-izdvaja-2-milijarde-800milijuna-kuna
http://narod.hr/glas-naroda/udruge-dobivaju-7-milijardi-kuna-godisnje-crkva
http://www.sezamweb.net/px/article/_d/t-dildach-01-475x176.jpg
http://queer.hr/29685/ljubi-bliznjeg-svog-pred-katedralom
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Ni problem ni težinu istog nisam sam izmislio - "for crying out loud" pa 'svjetski bankari i
vladari' su ti koji određuju "što je najvažnije" i koji uvjetuju humanitarnu pomoć 'zemljama
trećeg svijeta' 'liberalizacijom' abortusa i rodne ideologije 7. Istovremeno, šarene LGBTTIIQQA
parade diljem svijeta kao i holivudski filmovi i serije s disproporcionalnim brojem gay heroja
drže temu stalno u fokusu. Povećanjem dobivenih "prava" parade ne jenjavaju nego naprotiv
postaju sve "šarenije", glasnije i veće, dok napokon ne počnu uključivati djecu, poput one u
Amsterdamu, ili gole sadomazo fetišiste koji se "fizički vole u sred bijela dana", poput onih u
San Franciscu (uz pismenu podršku gradonačelnika). Ako npr. lezbijska udruga Kontra, mimo
novaca koje inače dobiva od RH, samo na jednom projektu iz EU fondova dobije gotovo sto
tisuća eura za borbu protiv LGB diskriminacije (primijetiti vrlo važan izostanak slova T) na
radnom mjestu8, a što su novci s kojima se godinu dana može održavati volonterska pučka
kuhinja koja bi dnevno prehranjivala preko stotinu ljudi držim da je pitanje iz prigovora
poslano na krivu adresu.
Problemom "krezubih homofoba" i LGBT žrtvi mediji se i političari već bave do iznemoglosti,
kao da su na natjecanju (pa smo tako mogli čuti poziv/"opasku" Vesne Pusić ženama Vukovara
koje su silovane u ratu, a za što još nitko nije izveden pred sud, da se radije solidariziraju i
dođu u prve redove na Split Pride 9), a kako smo imali prilike vidjeti i prikrivanjem ili čak
opravdavanjem nasilja LGBT pristaša nad volonterkama inicijative "U ime obitelji" 10.
Upravo iz govora svjetskih političara i lijevih i liberalnih mislilaca te rezolucija i preporuka
krovnih međunarodnih organizacija, čovjek bi pomislio da središnji problem čovječanstva
predstavlja nedostatak "seksualnih i reproduktivnih" "prava" 11, drugim riječima prava
7
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/350-million-rescinded-aid-money-to-malawi-dependent-on-complicity-in-homose
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/european-parliament-votes-to-impose-heavy-sanctions-against-pro-family-afri
http://narod.hr/svijet/uganda-na-udaru-svjetske-banke-radi-zabrane-homoseksualnosti
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2014/homosexuality/this-is-not-equality
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/biden-promises-kenya-money-to-flow-if-pro-abort-constitution-passes
http://ncronline.org/news/francis-lambasts-international-aid-suggests-catholics-should-limit-children
8 http://www.safu.hr/hr/primjeri-eu-projekata-u-rh/projekti/zajedno-protiv-lgb-diskriminacije-na-radnom-mjestu
9 http://blog.vecernji.hr/suncica/2012/06/05/nova-otvorena-pisma-uz-sramotnu-ministricinu-izjavu-silovanim-zenamazrtvama-domovinskog-rata
10 http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/87036-pankerice-napale-stand-na-cvjetnom-a-jutarnji-pise-da-su-gradani-to-gledalis-odobravanjem.html
11 http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/biden-says-transgender-discrimination-civil-rights-147761.html
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/lgbt-aktivisti-pojacavaju-pritisak-na-hrvatsku /
http://www.humanrights.gov/2013/10/24/u-s-on-protecting-and-promoting-lgbt-rights-in-europe
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/120924-nemate-za-kruh-propagirajte-pedofiliju-i-queer-scenu-i-imat-cete-i-zakolace.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-declares-june-gay-pride-month
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2013/eu-fundamental-rights-agency/eu-fundamental-rights-agency-bogus-lgbt-surveyyields-bogus-result (370 keura za ideološku pseudoznanost)
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/latin-american-nations-reject-gay-agenda-at-international-assembly (“It would seem
that all we talk about is this issue”)
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/homosexual-activists-pressure-ireland-serbia-kosovo-russia-nigeria-uganda-i
http://narod.hr/svijet/sad-imenovao-medunarodnog-izaslanika-za-lgbt-prava
http://uimeobitelji.net/2013/12/09/u-ime-obitelji-pomaze-istrazivackom-novinarstvu-nedjeljom-u-2
- premijer Zoran Milanović:
"osobno smatram da bi definicija braka trebala biti rodno neutralna" http://dalje.com/hr-hrvatska/zoran-milanovic-gay-brakovi-da-ali-posvajanje-djece-ne/387262
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/97467-foto-milanovic-hrvatsku-prikazao-kao-agresora.html (LGBT)
- ministar Ivan Vrdoljak: Do kraja mandata gay parovi posvajat će djecu http://www.vecernji.hr/komentar/433502
- ministar Fred Matić: http://www.24sata.hr/politika/bolje-je-da-imaju-dvije-mame-ili-dva-tate-nego-da-zive-u-domu274269
- ministrica Mirela Holy: “...čak štoviše mislim da bi [homoseksualci] bili puno bolji roditelji od heteroseksualnih
parova..." @ TV Bujica 10.06.2013
- ministrica Vesna Pusić: http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/99912-iz-dana-u-dan-gospodarski-propadamo-ali-zatosmo-postali-lider-u-borbi-za-homoseksualna-prava.html
- predsjednik Ivo Josipović:
15
homoseksualaca da si proizvode djecu odnosno feministica da si ubijajdu djecu. S druge pak
strane, problemom gospodarske krize političari se ne bave dovoljno nego "farbaju narod"
seksualnim manjinama (kako je to već predvidio Ivica Šola a potvrdio pedofil Gert Hekma u
intervjuu za T-portal te kako se upravo u Francuskoj demonstriralo lošim gospodarskim
rezultatima, niskom potporom predsjedniku, masovnim prosvjedima protiv i svejedno
ozakonjenjem gay brakova) i zato zaustavljanje queer revolucija predstavlja jednu vrstu vrlo
potrebne pljuske "vladajućim elitama" da se prestanu igrati ideološkim lego kockicama i
trošenjem novca na školsku indoktrinaciju queernormativnošću (oksimoron) te počnu misliti
na čovjeka koji kopa po kontejneru.
Uostalom: "A zašto vas, i cijelu porezno aboliranu EPH & co. mašineriju 12, toliko brine to oko
čega se 'mi' brinemo, zar nema prečih problema u državi i svijetu? Ako postoje za 'vas' važniji
problemi kako to da su se se baš svi, inače ljuti konkurenti, baš na ovom, i samo na ovom,
'manje bitnom pitanju' tako strastveno makjavelistički ujedinili?"
I, konačno, koji su to stvarni prioriteti "naprednih i prosvijećenih" "vlada"?
ZOR/socijalna i radnička prava, zaštita privatnosti, jednakost i vladavina prava
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/zastupnike-docekale-predstavnice-udruga
http://narod.hr/eu/britanski-javni-sektor-u-strajku-zbog-niskih-placa
http://narod.hr/svijet/irs-americka-porezna-uprava-mora-platiti-odstetu-organizaciji-za-zastitubraka
...
vs
ZOŽP/"seksualna prava"
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/hoce-li-zastupnici-jos-jednom-izglasati-zakon-protivan-volji-gradanavideo
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2442206/David-Cameron-I-expected-gay-marriagecause-uproar.html
...
"Jedan svijet, jedna borba" & "prava strana povijesti"13 iliti kako šareni viktimizatori zapravo
nisu na strani "svih potlačenih" i bez problema koriste bogatstvo i sredstva prisile velikih
korporacija i država protiv čije bi hegemonije tobože trebali biti na primjeru par poznatijih
korporacija:
http://www.intelglbt.org
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/jpmorgan-chase-asks-staff-to-identify-if-theyre-lgbt-alliesemployees
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/white-house-hosts-first-international-white-house-lgbt-forum
https://www.wellsfargoadvisors.com/pdf/joinourteam/LGBT_FactSheet.pdf
vs
http://www.inminds.com/boycott-intel.html
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/richard-eskow/57670/jpmorgan-chase-s-13-billion-shadow
- zastupnik HNS-a Goran Kolman: "nije ono što mi zapravo želimo, a to je da se (Obiteljski) zakon promijeni"
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/gay-parovi-dobili-veca-prava-od-izvanbracnih-zajednica
12 http://www.fizzit.net/vijesti-i-politika/komentari-i-kolumne/4787-nagodba-za-eph-je-spas-demokracije-u-hrvatskojjutarnji-naprijed-index-stoj
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/jutarnji-list-od-sutra-bez-butkovica-plese-pavica-mladeg
http://www.tinolovka-news.com/vijesti-hrvatska/54621-brkanje-pojmova-eph-duguje-oko-600-milijuna-kuna-no-ratnekukavice-pavic-i-butkovic-zajedno-su-dugovale-preko-cetiri-milijuna-kuna-poreza
http://www.tinolovka-news.com/vijesti-hrvatska/30067-eph-protiv-generala-iako-sami-duguju-drzavi-porez-drzava-ihkreditira
http://www.dnevno.hr/novac/98768-pavicev-eph-je-za-drzavu-vazniji-od-75-000-tvrtki-i-obrta.html
13 https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/the-wrong-side-of-history-2.0
16
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_A._Frenkel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Fargo#Controversies
http://americansfortruth.com/issues/wells-fargo
http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/highlight/is-israel-the-only-place-in-mideast-that-doesnt-discriminateagainst-gays/53e3cd2dfe3444d499000451?cn=tbla
"Od Marxa do guzice put je bio trnovit, i treba im čestitati. Kao i fenomenu
nad kojim bi si isti Marx možda počupao kosu: Ljudima se posvuda na Zapadu,
i kod nas, smanjuju socijalna i radnička prava, ali se zato obilato povećavaju
seksualna. Poruka je jasna, možda ste gladni, potplaćeni, nezaposleni, no
proleteri svih zemalja j….e se!"
Ivica Šola
“...s propasti radničke klase ljevica treba nove glasače [seksualne manjine].”
Gert Hekma
"Not to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend truth is to suppress it;
and indeed to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is no less a sin
than to encourage them."
papa Felix III
17
{{A}} Apsolutno isto
"Zašto bi se kava zvala čaj ako je kava?"
"Gay relacije između muškaraca drugačije su nego između dviju žena. Druga je to vrsta
energije, kemije. Ne može se sve stavljati u isti koš."14
Dražen Ilinčić, hrvatski novinar i pisac, homoseksualac
Ideja "istospolnog braka" znači potpuno vrijednosno, pravno i socijalno izjednačavanje
homoseksualnih zajednica i "tradicionalnog"/"prirodnog" braka muškarca i žene.
Ovo samo za sebe predstavlja zapravo samo konstataciju pa, za početak, služi više kao "lema"
za ostale argumente nego kao zaseban argument. LGBTTIQ aktivisti ne prihvaćaju (i nisu
prihvatili kao konačno rješenje ni u jednoj državi gdje im je to ponuđeno) bilo kakva
kompromisna rješenja, uključujući civilne/istospolne zajednice s potpuno jednakim statusom
i baš svim pravima koje donosi i "tradicionalni" brak (pa i posvajanje djece, dakle sve osim
službenog naziva "brak"). Bilo kakva društvena ili pravna razlika pa i samo nominativne prirode
nije im prihvatljiva (štoviše odbija se s gnušanjem kao oblik prikrivene, tzv. "same but
different" diskriminacije). Zato ću, za početak, iscrpno obrađivati samo argumente i ideje
koje u potpunosti izjednačuju homoseksualne zajednice i "tradicionalni brak".
14 http://www.vecernji.hr/drazen-ilincic-nikada-nisam-imao-problema-zato-sto-sam-gay-906094
18
{{B}} Reductio ad absurdum
"Why should there be marriage at all?"
"What should limit it to two and why should it be monogamous?"
Judith Stacey, profesorica @ NYU15
"I stalno nam se baca u usta da mi tražimo brakove, ja po stoti put kažem ne, brak me
ne zanima, ja osobno u instituciju braka ne vjerujem."16
Dorino Manzin, tadašnji predsjednik Iskoraka @ Noćna mora 19.2.2005
“I also think equally it’s a no-brainer that the institution of marriage should not exist.”
“...fighting for gay marriage generally involves lying about what we’re going to do with
marriage when we get there.”
“This gay marriage fight is not about equality, it’s a lie to destroy marriage.”
Maša Gessen, ruska LGBT aktivistica @ Sydney Writer’s Festival 201217
"...ja se slažem, brak treba uništiti, da ne bi ispalo sada da branim, ne znam, pravo na
brak..."
sudionik foruma "Regionalni LGBT-aktivizam i suvremena ljevica"
@ Subversive film festival, Zagreb 201318
"This triangle of truisms, of father, mother and child, cannot be destroyed; it can only
destroy those civilizations which disregard it."19
G.K. Chesterton
“Human laws that contradict the natural law are no law at all; rather, they are a type
of violence.”
Toma Akvinski?
Ako je sve brak, što je onda brak?
15 http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/30/nyu-professor-argues-against-nuclear-family-monogamy-anti-polygamy-laws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7ZIx73fBAs
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/same_sex_marriage_has_an_unexpected_foe
16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHez5m4bsUA
17 http://ireadmex.com/2013/04/lesbian-activist-masha-gessen-says-gay-marriage-is-a-lie-to-destroy-marriage
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/29/lesbian-activists-surprisingly-candid-speech-gay-marriage-fight-is-a-lie-todestroy-marriage
http://www.inquisitr.com/641413/gay-marriage-is-a-lie-lesbian-masha-gessen-and-glenn-beck-agree
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebw3hEeU5KE "Why get married when you can be happy?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbiffRb_DIM (Gillard, kako su 'liberal' zapravo prvo bili protiv bilokakvog braka)
18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcMO33Yhj7c oko 1:30...
19 http://gkcdaily.blogspot.com/2013/05/this-triangle-of-truisms.html
19
Ako je brak "privatna stvar",
"ono što mi kažemo da brak jest",
zašto bi država trebala propisivati baš
tvoju/vašu/našu/moju/bilo čiju definiciju braka?
=prodotes=================
A i di je problem da se homoseksualcima da pravo braka i usvajanja? Ja ga ne vidim.
==========================
Možeš li navesti primjer "nečega" gdje ti bi vidio problem davanja "prava" na brak i "prava" na
dijete (usvajanje, surogatstvo, "proizvodnju", ...)?
Što je za tebe brak i zašto bi društvo/država (i pripadajuća joj pravna stečevina) uopće
trebala poznavati (takav) koncept braka, pravno ga regulirati i ekonomski pomagati? 20
Istospolni brak zahtijeva redefiniciju21 braka na način da ona postaje:
• bezlična/proizvoljna i otvorena beskrajnim reinterpretacijama (pogotovo ako se na
brak gleda čisto kao na "još jednu vrstu ugovora") – "brak za sve"
• potpuno razvedena od ljudske prirode (upravo koju brak/obitelj izvorno i modelira).
"Pravo homoseksualaca na brak" je krivo/zavaravajuće postavljeno pitanje koje računa na
blago nejasan osjećaj, tako raširen u zapadnom postmodernističkom zeitgeistu, da je svako
"pravo" a priori dobra stvar (iako dakako nije, bar dok ne uspiju smisliti održivo društvo bez
ikakvih zakona jer svaki zakon 'ograničava' određena prava). Homoseksualci imaju "pravo" na
brak kao i svi drugi ljudi - s osobom suprotnog spola. U okviru (takvog) braka mogu i usvojiti
dijete. "Pravo na LGBTTIQQ brak" ne postoji (iz čega bi to pravo proizlazilo?), tek ga se
naknadno izmišlja. To je kao da 22 muškarac traži svoje pravo da koristi javne ženske toalete to je traženje nekog novog prava a ne prepoznavanje nepoštivanja nekog postojećeg prava.
Neprepoznavanje istospolnog braka od strane države jednako je "nepravedno" kao ne
primanje paraplegičara u veslačku reprezentaciju ili nekoga tko ne želi svirati u
filharmoniju23. Stvar dakle nije (samo) u "orijentaciji" nego u definiciji braka koju je prema
tome potrebno promijeniti.
Kao dio procesa razvodnjavanja (oprostite, "pronalaženja inkluzivnije forme") samog koncepta
braka Richard Mohr nam daje svoju LGBTTIQ friendly verziju: “Brak je razvijanje i održavanje
intimnosti kroz medij svakidašnjeg života, dan za danom” 24. Drugim riječima, "whatever". U to
se mogu utrpati sve moguće subjektivističke vizije "intimnosti" i "života" - reductio ad
absurdum prečica: umjesto da nam se država tobože "makne iz spavaće sobe" sad će pak
regulirati i prijateljstva ("aseksualna intimna partnerstva"); ili dvije: država se tobože nema
što miješati u privatne stvari odraslih osoba - a upravo se na to svodi brak kad se izbace djeca
20 http://ccgaction.org/swc/marriageconfusion
21 http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/09/the-social-costs-of-abandoning-the-meaning-of-marriage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrD8zvCUtWc
http://step.hr/zivot/48-poticajni-tekstovi/537-homoskeptici.html štulhofer otvoreno redefinicija zbog "edukacije" (nađi
link)
22 Odnosno kao kad jer i to već odavno spada u rubriku viđeno.
23 http://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/drzava-ne-krsi-ljudska-prava-ako-zabrani-gay-brakove-clanak-389748
24 http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1993-11-06/news/9311060025_1_gay-marriage-union-of-two-people-intimacy
20
i vjernost i definira ga se kao "konsenzualna intima dvoje odraslih ljudi"...zašto bi se uistinu
država trebala time baviti?
Kada bi se zakon uistinu pokušao "usuglasiti" s takvom definicijom "braka", odbacivši i
proizvoljne uvjete - o dvoje punoljetnih ne previše rodno bliskih građana bilo koje
kombinacije spolova koji javno žele izraziti svoju privolu zajedničkog života a koji mogu u bilo
kojem trenutku razvrgnuti - odnosno drugim riječima, ako brak definiramo čisto kao formalni
izraz ("papir") nečijeg subjektivnog emotivnog stanja a ne (i) kao društvenu instituciju s
objektivnim značenjem baziranim na biološkoj stvarnosti, mijenjajući dakle iz temelja
obiteljsko pravo, reducirali bi brak na registrirano partnerstvo, matičari bi bili dužni
"blagoslivljati" (riječima i "pravima"25) i proizvoljne skupine prijatelja.
Ovo je jasno i mnogim zagovarateljima LGBTTIQ prava koji prepoznaju brak kao "religijsku
tvorevinu/koncept" s kojim (sekularna) država ne bi trebala imati nikakve veze (ili ga treba u
potpunosti izbaciti ili sve oblike "takvih" zajednica svesti na "civilne zajednice").
/*time i "ja" gubim pravo na brak, na ono što "ja"/"mi" smatramo brakom (vjernost,
monogamnost, muškarac žena otac majka djeca)...ja ne bih želio ući u takav proizvoljni
"brak" brak vječne manjine nameće se većini*/
Tako dolazimo i do paradoksa da zaluđeni natražni religijoti ispadaju "realisti" govoreći o
braku utemeljenom na stvarnoj prirodi čovjeka, društva i države (i to u smislu fizikalne
prirode i stvarnosti, ne samo teleološke "naravi") 26 a prosvijećeno progresivni pak liberali
ispadaju "idealisti" konceptualizirajući brak prema ideološkim premisama queer i gender
teorija. I to nije prvi put da lijevi ideolozi svoje ideološke želje i premise (pod prijetnjom
"izopćenja") proglašavaju znanošću (npr. Staljin i lisenkoizam 27).
Vjerojatno postoji razlog zašto civilizirana društva posvećuju toliko posebnog mjesta braku i
obitelji u svojim pravnim i kulturnim stečevinama. Ono što su jednom organizmu zrak ili voda,
a vrsti reprodukcija to je društvu (bio?) brak jer predstavlja osnovni preduvjet za opstanak i
"biološke" vrste ("gena") i "kulturološke" vrste (Dawkinsonovih "mema") prokreacijom,
osnovnim obiteljskim odgojem i predanjem - jedan od osnovnih načina na koji pojedinci daju
nešto natrag u društvo iz kojeg su izašli. Ukoliko se brak redefinira na način da se ti vidovi
načelno izbace (da se brak odvoji od ljudske prirode) za državu takva "institucija" braka
postaje još samo jedan ugovor bez načelne suštinske važnosti za društvo kao takvo. Što
dobivamo ako iz fokusa braka maknemo obitelj odnosno djecu i samo ostavimo "par koji se
voli"? Osim što obiteljski zakon tada (još više, nakon ostalih naprednih revolucija poput "nofault" razvoda) gubi oštricu u zaštiti djece i mogućnosti da kaže da djeca trebaju i svoju
majku i svog oca, time se gubi i razlog (interes) zašto bi uopće država na tako poseban način
trebala regulirati baš taj ugovor (a kamoli još primjerice davati razne olakšice onima koji u
njega ulaze kad sama od toga više nema nikakve koristi). Drugim riječima, država/društvo
nije izmislila/iznjedrila ("konstruirala") nego samo prepoznaje brak (obiteljsku zajednicu
muškarca i žene) .. suprotno reductio ad absurdum
Konačno, nakon što ideološkim akrobacijama u potpunosti izmasakriramo obiteljsko pravo u
"inkluzivni rodno neutralni oblik" ostaje nam uvijek problem rodnog lista. Na koji bi to točno
način trebali zakamuflirati ili jednostavno zanijekati jednostavnu i neizbježnu istinu da, "ma
koliko mi šutjeli o tome", svatko od nas ima jednu biološku majku i jednog biološkog oca a
25 http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/marriage-rights-benefits-30190.html
26 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaRK-0W5HQI
http://www.vecernji.hr/hrvatska/nisu-svi-u-stanju-ispuniti-svoju-svrhu-902314
27 Ili noviji primjer dogme http://thefederalist.com/2014/02/26/the-original-sin-of-global-warming (ne, ne radi se o 'nijekanju'
nego zabrani i same sumnje)
21
koja pak stoji na tom dokumentu koji ali baš svatko ima i koja sigurno vrijeđa osjetljive
postmodernističke LGBTTIQ osjećaje28.
"Homoseksualizam" zapravo razdvaja ljude na dvije vrste, muškarce i žene. Ukida
komplementarno prihvaćanje i sjedinjenje "Marsa" i "Venere". Pederi odnosno lezbijke sasvim
bi normalno živjeli u čisto muškom odnosno ženskom homoseksualnom svijetu (dok ne bi
izumrli dakako). Trenutak kada jednakost preraste u radikalnu emancipaciju (spolova): žena
može bez muškarca i muškarac može bez žene.
"Heteroseksualizam" zapravo spaja ljude, prirodno binarna spolnost jest inkluzivna jer
prirodno/inherentno/nagonski uvijek usmjerava na spoznanje (i u zapadnom i semitskom
smislu) onog drugog i drugačijeg (s)pola.
"But for children, there would be no need of any institution concerned with sex. It is
through children alone that sexual relations become of importance to society, and
worthy to be taken cognizance of by a legal institution."
Bertrand Russel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WGDtvBCv3U The Caleb Bonham Show: Marriage Equality
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/02/7942 Check Your Blind Spot: What Is Marriage?
Neizbježnost?
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2012/homosexuality/nordic-countries-defund-gender-ideology
http://hu-benedikt.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/2306-novi-poraavajui-udarac-za-rodnu-ideologijuq.html
http://narod.hr/svijet/milano-odbacio-rodnu-ideologiju-stiti-prirodnu-obitelj
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/1/europe-stands-strong-for-traditional-definition-of
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/the-wrong-side-of-history-2.0
A marriage proposal: with gay marriage now on the agenda, it may be time to consider the institution of
marriage itself.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/A+marriage+proposal%3a+with+gay+marriage+now+on+the+agenda
%2c+it+may+be...-a0133010436
=naomi====================
Ha gle, meni muškarci ni sad nisu odbojni samo što ne mogu s njima osjetiti onu puninu ljubavi i sreće
kao što mogu sa ženom. Oni su mi samo fizički privlačni, dok su mi žene i emotivno. Hah! Vidi vraga,
sad tek vidim, moja orijentacija je upravo takva zbog osjećaja ljubavi i zaljubljenosti , a ne zbog
seksualne požude prema istom spolu. Pade još jedan argument.
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Nisi li sama prije rekla da je bitno gledati osobu a ne spol, a sada ispada da tebe upravo
_spol_ sprječava da ti _osoba_ bude privlačna?
I tako ispada da kao svojevrsni "zaštitnik različitosti" "s Venere" ipak možeš samo tolerirati a
ne i voljeti različitost "s Marsa"...
/*
http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2012/03/13/3452229.htm
28 Glupo pitanje, pa jednostavno na sličan način kao što je ideološki riješen (zakamufliran) problem i prirodnog braka:
redefiniramo pojam roditeljstva i dozvolimo istospolnim posvojiteljima da izmijene djetetov rodni list i upišu sebe kao
roditelje: http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/video_2013/index.html
22
As a Girardian, Alison might appreciate that this has to do with the triangle of solidarity, rivalry and attraction.
Heterosexuals are in solidarity with members of their own sex, who may also become their rivals, and conversely
they are attracted to the opposite sex. But homosexuals are at once in solidarity, rivalry and relations of
attraction to their own sex which - as Girard himself has argued - tends to increase exponentially the contagion
of mimetic desire and its resulting agon, not to mention the augmentation of narcissism.
And here we see one of the irresolvable difficulties of redefining marriage: it would be intolerable to impose
difficult divorce obstacles on gay people, but equally intolerable to make divorce entirely instant for
heterosexual couples, since many marriages can be saved by allowing a longer time for consideration and by the
sheer weight of the difficulties involved in legal separation. Yet to differentiate here in terms of sexual
orientation would be, in effect, to once more distinguish between marriage and civil partnership. 29
The price for this severance is surely the commodification of birth by the market, the quasi-eugenic control of
reproduction by the state, and the corruption of the parent-child relation to one of a narcissistic self-projection.
In the absence of a flourishing marriage culture, families often fail to form, or to achieve and
maintain stability. As absentee fathers and out-of-wedlock births become common, a train of
social pathologies follows. 72
Naturally, the demand for governmental policing and social services grows. According to a
Brookings Institute study, $229 billion in welfare expenditures between 1970 and 1996 can be
attributed to the breakdown of the marriage culture and the resulting exacerbation of social
ills: teen pregnancy, poverty, crime, drug abuse, and health problems.73
Sociologists David Popenoe and Alan Wolfe have conducted research on Scandinavian countries
that supports the conclusion that as marriage culture declines, state spending rises.
74
73. Isabel V. Sawhill, Families at Risk, in SETTING NATIONAL PRIORITIES: THE 2000
ELECTION AND BEYOND 97, 108 (Henry J. Aaron & Robert D. Reischauer eds.,
1999); see also THE WITHERSPOON INSTITUTE, supra note 21, at 15.
74. DAVID POPENOE, DISTURBING THE NEST: FAMILY CHANGE AND DECLINE IN
MODERN SOCIETIES, at xiv-xv (1988); ALAN WOLFE, WHOSE KEEPER? SOCIAL
SCIENCE AND MORAL OBLIGATION 132–42 (1989).
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/samo-0-6-promila-gra-ana-zeli-stupiti-u-homoseksualnuzajednicu
*/
=prodotes=================
Nemoj se uvrijedit kiara, ovo nije ništa osobno. No ako želimo jednoj cijeloj skupini ljudi
zabraniti osnovna ljudska prava, trebat će nam puno više od "bog kaže" :)
==========================
!? Od kada je primjerice "pravo" na dijete bilo čije "pravo" i još k tome "osnovno" ljudsko
pravo !? Dijete ima pravo na roditelje, a ne obratno. Ako i dijete ima osnovna ljudska prava
(tj. i samo je ljudska osoba) kako druga ljudska osoba može imati "pravo" na to isto dijete? To
je očita kontradikcija, imati "pravo" na X znači svesti X na objekt (a dijete je subjekt, nadam
se još uvijek i za ovdašnje progresivce)...
Imaju li recimo i umirovljenici treće dobi "pravo" na djecu?
29 http://www.mercatornet.com/conjugality/view/15214
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Na koji je način "pravo" na brak "ljudsko pravo" i to osnovno? 30 Pretpostavljam da isto držiš i za
razvod, u tom se slučaju postavlja pitanje koje je od tih dvaju prava jače, npr. ako se netko
želi razvesti i time oduzeti drugome pravo na brak (npr. u homo braku jedan "partner" spozna
da je ipak hetero ili bi ili trans ili...)?
Za ljudska prava držimo ["vjerujemo u nadi protiv svake (sekularne) nade"] da su urođena
svakom čovjeku samim time što je čovjek te da su ih civilizirana društva dužna osiguravati
svakom pojedincu. Nije mi baš u potpunosti jasno na koji bi to način "pravo" na brak spadalo u
istu kategoriju s recimo pravom na život ili slobodu misli i na koji bi to način društvo moglo
osigurati to isto pravo svakom _pojedincu_?
Ako bih ja odbio ući u brak s homoseksualcem koji bi to želio, upravo i samo zbog njegove
"orijentacije" bih li ga time diskriminirao na osnovu seksualne orijentacije" kao i uskratio to
"osnovno ljudsko pravo"? Ako ne, zašto?
/*
"Hervé Jordain, a Marseille homosexual, says on Homovox, “It is utterly abnormal to uphold
one’s ‘right’ to have a child … A child is not a cute little doll you go out and buy on December
15.” http://englishmanif.blogspot.ca/2013/01/new-homovox-video-herve-jordan.html"
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/03/9432 (I'm Gay and I Oppose Same-Sex Marriage)
lakše je opravdati pravo na biološke roditelje (koje već implicira UN-ova povelja o pravima
djeteta) nego pravo "na brak" - ako se ja odbijem oženiti određenom ženom zato jer je
biseksualka (dakle "diskriminirati na osnovu seksualne orijentacije") jesam li joj ja uskratio
"osnovno ljudsko pravo na brak"?
Pravo na brak diskriminira pojedince i brani prava i povlastice.
http://carlottamorrow.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/gay-rights-vs-civil-rights-not-the-same
zanimljivo je da naravno kad treba progurati posvajanje i djecu iz epruvete za homobrakove
onda su djeca odjednom neodvojiva od braka: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/10/22/ukfrance-gaymarriage-idUKBRE89L0NC20121022 (Jean-Pierre Michel)
postmodernizam u pravu: - the antidiscrimination principle is being used to ask that no citizen
be denied the right to call something what he or she wants to call it. ... 1992 U. S. Supreme
Court decision in Planned Parenthood vs. Caseythat “At the heart of liberty is the right to
define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of
human life,”...
1994 pedo apa
definicije braka i bračnih drugova su "neustavne" (SAD i Kanada) ... lol ... da autori ustava tih
(ili bilo kojih drugih zemalja) su zabravo bili prikriveno queer i ugradili su tajne poruke u
ustav "da je gay ok" koje nitko drugi nemože pročitati osim naravno gay aktivista
http://www.marriagedebate.com/pdf/future_of_family_law.pdf (strana 23, 24, Claire
L'Heureux Dube i Peter Cory) universal buddy system why shoult it care about who is having
sex with whom .. str 35
Više o Pandorinoj kutiji razdvajanja ideje braka od ideje roditeljstva u "slippery slope"
odlomku. (norme monogamnosti i vjernosti postaju još manje osnovane kad nema djece)
redefiniranje kao emocionalna unija odraslih stavlja djecu u sekundarni plan (a time i
vjernost a cemu onda sve)...seksualna revolucija preduvjet za gay brak..bi li ga htjeli da se
ukine no fault
30 http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/europski-sud-za-ljudska-prava-jos-jednom-porucuje-kako-istospolni-brak-nije-ljudskopravo
24
http://www.princeton.edu/~anscombe/articles/finnisorientation.pdf
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=649460&page=4
http://americansfortruth.com/issues/the-agenda-glbtq-activist-groups/pro-homosexualmedia/andrew-sullivan
http://www.marriageinstitute.ca/images/beyond.pdf
http://www.cpjustice.org/stories/storyReader$1178
"So Americans have a "RIGHT" to marriage? Well that's rather bad news, for both gays and
straights, who turn down someone's marriage proposal, isn't it? It would seem that such
people have violated someone else "rights". As for mere moral disapproval not being sufficient
basis for a law prohibiting behavior, well there goes anti-prostitution laws (victimless crime),
anti-pornography laws, anti-marijuana laws, anti-gambling laws, etc."
"If marriage is a fundamental right, then there should be no reason why cousins cannot marry,
regardless of whether they are the same sex or not."
http://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/is-marriage-a-civil-right
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2377485/Dictionary-change-entry-marriageinclude-gay-people-sex-weddings-enshrined-law.html
http://dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/106413-diskriminacija-heteroseksualnog-para-zasto-njihdvojica-mogu-zajedno-u-toalet-a-mene-i-suprugu-fasisticki-razdvajaju.html
*/
=prodotes=================
Ono što ljudi ne shvačaju je da čak i da 99% ljudi ne podržava tu paradu, homoseksualci su i
dalje u pravu održavati ju. Tako da uopće nije bitno tko ju podržava ili ne, bitno je kako se
protivnici i zastupnici te parade ponašaju. Dok god je parada "civilizirana i nenasilna" je
dozvoljena pravom slobode izražavanja i protesta. U onom trenu kad se iszaže nasilje, parada
više nije pravna jer prelazi u "govor mržnje" i on nije zaštićen pravima slobodnog govora.
Kako to piše u američkom ustavu, "freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".
==========================
S obzirom da si razdvojio "civilizirana" i "nenasilna" znači li to da držiš da civiliziranost
uključuje i nešto više od nenasilja?
Što ako netko "civilizirano" i "nenasilno" paradira protiv "civiliziranosti" i/ili "nenasilja"?
Ako su "moral" i "pravo" kulturološke ljudske tvorevine odnosno temporalni atributi zeitgeista,
zašto određena kultura ne bi imala pravo ne dozvoliti određene "parade" odnosno pripisati im
svoje viđenje epiteta "necivilizirano" i/ili "nasilno"?
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" stoji u američkoj deklaraciji neovisnosti (ne u
ustavu) kao baza "od Stvoritelja danih neotuđivih ljudskih prava". Kako miriš takvo baziranje
ljudskih prava sa svojim svjetonazorom?
Američki pak ustav, nastao po deklaraciji neovisnosti, osim što u originalu regulira ropstvo
dozvoljava građanima pravo na nošenje oružja 31 kao i pravo na "paradiranje" pa tako i Ku Klux
Klanu. Bi li ti dozvolio KKK paradu? Ili pak što misliš o ALFu?
Općenito je zanimljivo ovo tipično liberalno pozivanje na američki ustav kad su u pitanju
moralna i bioetička pitanja (pa smo tako iz Roe vs Wade nekom divljom logikom naučili da
američki ustav garantira "pravo na pobačaj"!?). Misliš li zaista da su pisci američkog ustava
31 Naravno, jako podložno interpretacijama.
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imali i u najskrivenijoj primisli ideju da je "brak duginih boja" "dobra"/"napredna" stvar za
društvo?
"How can the DOMA be unconstitutional when every state in the union banned homosexual
relationships altogether at the time the Constitution was ratified. If the ratifiers were told
that their vote would some day legitimize sodomites do you really think they would have
passed it? Same question of the ratifiers of the 14th amendment. Obviously they would not
have accepted this interpretation of equal protection which means the Constitution has
changed since the ratification. Perhaps someone could be so kind as to point me to the
amendment by which this occurred. If no such amendment exists, you must except the
Constitution has been changed by extra-constitutional, which is to say unconstitutional
means."
- Massachusetts SJC pravorijek da referendum za vraćanje prirodne definicije braka ne bi bio
protuustavan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Massachusetts#Initiative_to_amend_the_state_constitution
=prodotes=================
A sada, što je ispravno a što nije. Ja bi mogao debatirati da je poštivanje gayeva i njihovih
prava ispravno. Naime, da gayevi imaju jednaka prava ko i oni "normalni" kako vi to kažete
onda ne bi bilo potrebe za gay prideom i onda bi i ja bio protiv istog.
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Očito koristiš neku svoju (odnosno njihovu) viziju "gay prava". Poštivanje građanskih prava
"gayeva" kao i svih drugih građana je naravno "ispravno", to je tautologija. Ako imaju
državljanstvo imaju (sva) građanska prava, 'točka'. Samo što ničija prava ne uključuju i pravo
na redefiniciju braka.
Da je "pride" uistinu samo civilizirani vapaj za poštivanjem tih građanskih prava (primjerice da
se prestane s nasiljem nad homoseksualcima) i ja bih ga podržao. Isti to dakako nije (ne znam
ni je li ikad bio) što se jasno vidi već iz gotovo "bojnih" "in-your-face" "shove-it-down-theirthroats" prideovskih proglasa i progresivnih zahtjeva za izmjenom sve većih broja zakona i
propisa.
"Also, according to data released by the Italian agency Istat, fewer than 250,000 marriages
were celebrated in Italy in 2005, a number that shows the continual decline since 1972,
when just short of 419,000 weddings occurred. The information revealed more than 500,000
Italian couples living together outside of marriage. Istat also stated that 15% of Italian
children-- 80,000 in 2005-- have been born outside of marriage. That figure is double the
number for just ten years ago."
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=49203
STVARNA 'NAKON' ISKUSTVA
http://www.marriagedebate.com/pdf/imapp.demandforssm.pdf
http://www.gaypasg.org/gaypasg/PressClippings/2006/Apr/Study%20Assesses%20How%20Many%20Gays%20Marry
%20if%20Legal.htm
Kanada:
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/11/6758 Same-Sex Marriage Ten Years On: Lessons from Canada
http://www.samesexmarriage.ca/legal/toronto_marriage_stats.htm
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http://web.archive.org/web/20120930235619/http://www.xtra.ca/public/viewstory.aspx?
AFF_TYPE=1&STORY_ID=3582&PUB_TEMPLATE_ID=2
http://dailyxtra.com/canada/news/sex-marriage-the-rise
Nizozemska:
http://cathyyoung.blogspot.com/2005/11/same-sex-marriage-in-netherlands.html
http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2012/03/13/3452229.htm Dutch statistics after 10 yrs of same-sex
marriage in Holland demonstrate less than 10% of Dutch same-sex couples have married.
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/ten-years-same-sex-marriage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fmi-PA1-lI
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/ten-years-same-sex-marriage-a-mixed-blessing
Prigovor 1: Neplodni parovi.
Država po istoj logici automatski ne bi trebala omogućiti status braka ni u jednom
drugom slučaju u kojem se a priori zna da veza gotovo sigurno ne može ili ne želi
roditi djecu (npr. neplodni ili "stari" heteroseksualci).
Odgovor:
• non sequitur: općenito ili načelno pravilo ne mora nužno vrijediti ili biti primjenjivo i u
svakom zasebnom slučaju (s dodatnim okolnostima)
• država naziv brak i pripadajući poseban tretman veže isključivo uz heteroseksualne
zajednice zato što isključivo heteroseksualne/"prirodne" zajednice kao takve/načelno
mogu roditi djecu i, opet, kao takve pružiti im optimalno obiteljsko okruženje (ono za
koje su evolucijski pripremljeni, biološke roditelje, oca i majku): svaki muškarac i žena
možda i ne mogu imati dijete ali svako dijete ima i oca i majku
• regulacija posebnih slučajeva za koje je daleko manje vjerojatno da će ispuniti ideal
može biti:
◦ nepraktična ili neprovediva
◦ npr. moralo bi se uvoditi obvezna medicinska i psihološka ispitivanja prije
braka ili par može otkriti da je neplodan nakon sklapanja braka ili pak
može biti proglašen neplodnim a onda ipak možda bez ili uz pomoć
liječenja začeti dijete, itd.
◦ isti se problem, u ostalom, može naći i u "inkluzivno intimističkoj"
redefiniciji braka: moglo/moralo bi se zahtijevati testiranje koje bi
"mjerilo" dovoljnu razinu "intimnosti i zajedništva"...
◦ nepotrebna
◦ brak bez djece ne ugrožava pravo druge djece na oca i majku, ne
zahtijeva posebnu regulaciju niti prilagodbu obiteljskog prava kao niti
poreznim novcem financiranu javnu i školsku indoktrinaciju o
"normalnosti"
◦ postupak posvajanja djeteta već je sada i uvijek će biti "diskriminatoran"
po različitim osnovama pa tako i dobnoj (mlađi parovi imaju prednost nad
starijima kao i parovi općenito nad samcima), s druge strane "krajnje
dozvolivu dob" za "prirodno" roditeljstvo nema potrebe regulirati država
(to bi štoviše bio vid eugeničke politike) jer to najbolje određuje sama
priroda (vjerojatnost začeća naglo opada nakon određene dobi)
◦ zbog ranije navedene središnje važnosti koju obitelj ima za društvo,
država može pružiti jedinstven status, kroz instituciju i definiciju braka,
upravo jedinoj zajednici iz koje samostalno i po njenoj posebnoj prirodi
jedino može nastati ("idealna") obitelj
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◦ nepoželjna
◦ brakovi bez djece su standardni kandidati za posvajanje nezbrinute djece
◦ iz sličnog razloga kao u prethodnoj točki, preveliko inzistiranje na samo
jednom vidu braka, pa bio on i jedan od središnjih, svodi ga na samo taj
vid te se time ideal prokreacije, neodvojiv od ideala vraćanja nečega
natrag društvu, svodi na mehaničku nužnost/animalnu reprodukciju a
takav pristup sigurno ne rađa idealnim okruženjem za odrastanje
◦ reći da su djeca jedan od središnjih dijelova braka ne znači svesti brak na
prokreaciju, da je samo to ono što društvo želi jer onda bi dozvolili i
poligamiju (koja iako može roditi djecu ne predstavlja idealno okruženje
niti za djecu niti za sve njene odrasle članove32)
◦ prokreacija pod prisilom i/ili zbog osobnih interesa jest oksimoron
◦ izvediva na način bez da se komplicira i "zamućuje" osnovno načelo odnosno
ideal (npr. brakove koji uistinu imaju djecu uglavnom se stimulira
dodatnim/poreznim olakšicama ili se pak brakovima koji postanu preloša okolina
oduzimaju djeca).
i "orijentiranost na djecu" ne znači odmah brak (gay i lezbijski prijatelji koji se udruže da
naprave dijete iako im naravno ne pada na pamet ući i u brak i biti pravi otac i majka tom
djetetu)
Finally, although a legal scheme that honored the conjugal conception of marriage, as our law
has long done, would not restrict the incidents of marriage to spouses who happen to have
children, its success would tend to limit children to families led by legally married spouses.
After all, the more effectively the law teaches the truth about marriage, the more likely
people are to enter into marriage and abide by its norms. And the more people form
marriages and respect marital norms, the more likely it is that children will be reared by their
wedded biological parents. Death and tragedy make the gap impossible to close completely,
but a healthier marriage culture would make it shrink. Thus, enshrining the moral truth of
marriage in law is crucial for securing the great social benefits served by real marriage.
http://www.marriage.co.in/importance-of-an-old-age-marriage.html
Prigovor 2: Razvedeni ideal.
Država bi po istoj logici automatski trebala zabraniti razvode braka.
Odgovor:
Non sequitur: Razvod općenito i sa zakonodavne strane predstavlja nesretne iako stvarne
okolnosti. Kako nije moguće bilo koga prisiliti da želi i voli svog supružnika i/ili bude dobar
roditelj država može dopustiti, nakon propalog procesa mirenja, skrbništvo razvedenih
roditelja kao "next best thing" s obzirom da se ideal nerazvedene majke i oca tada može
ostvariti samo prisilom tj. reduciran je na apsurd.
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/milanka-opacic-posjetila-centar-za-posebno-skrbnistvo
32 Slično kao što mnoge vjerske zajednice ne odobravaju liberalne zakone o umjetnoj oplodnji iako im je svima navodno
stalo samo do množenja glupih poslušnih vjernika.
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Prigovor 3: Ista priča kao i za "rasno čiste brakove".
Odgovor:
Nepostojeća analogija. Zakoni koji su branili brak između osoba različitih rasa u primjerice
SAD-u koristili su brak kao alat za održanje "rasne čistoće" odnosno segregacije na način da je
u zakonsku regulaciju braka dodan rasno isključivi element koji je baziran na ideologiji a ne
na prirodi i povijesti braka, čovjeka i ljudskog društva. Na sličan način queer ideologija
redefinicijom braka želi normalizirati i zakonom nametnuti svoje dogme (tzv. đenderizam). S
druge pak strane definicija braka bazirana na raznospolnoj odnosno muško-ženskoj prirodi
čovjeka i dobrobiti djece nije (samo) društveni konstrukt. Ako bismo tvrdili da jest automatski
se postavljaju pitanja što onda uopće jest brak, što nas priječi da ga redefiniramo do
neprepoznatljivosti i zašto bi takav konstrukt uopće trebao biti prepoznat od strane države?
Da, i neki su se zastupnici rasne segregacije pozivali na tradiciju, vjeru i/ili ljudsku prirodu.
To što njihovi prizivi i argumentacija nisu držali vodu 33 ne znači da i argumenti u odvojenoj
raspravi, a koji dijelom podsjećaju na one korištene u rasističke svrhe, automatski samo zbog
te sličnosti padaju u vodu.
Da, zastupnici su rasne segregacije isto negirali da se radi o nepravednoj diskriminaciji tzv.
"separate but equal" argumentacijom (ideja da i takva regulacija braka jednako ograničava
sve: i bijelcima se brani ulazak u brak s ljudima drugih rasa). Opet, iz toga povlačiti analogiju
predstavljalo bi vrstu guilt-by-association logičke pogreške (i impliciralo bi da je uvijek i svaka
diskriminacija, u smislu razlikovanja, "loša" a i "gay brak", ako je definiran kroz monogamni
par, "diskriminira" npr. otvorene ili poliamorične veze).
Konačno, i ne manje važno, ovaj se prigovor može okrenuti i naopačke jer su rasnu
segregaciju podržavali i ondašnji (i neki današnji) "progresivci" i "naturalisti" 34 te vodeće
feministice i pro-choiceri35 dok je istovremeno prvi zakon koji je branio rasno miješane
brakove u SAD-u srušen u Kaliforniji uz pomoć baš te katolibanske crkve i to na osnovi vjerskih
sloboda36 (točka M te odgovor na prigovor 6 detaljnije se bave ovom stranom problematike)...
"While the providence of race provides no ground for judgment, human behavior assuredly
does. King’s dream, memorably, was that his children would “not be judged by the color of
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rasna segregacija nije dio tradicije opće ljudske povijesti, kulture i civilizacije; i Stari zavjet poznaje brakove između
različitih naroda, vjera i rasa
• ništa u ljudskoj prirodi ne sprječava prirodno plodne bračne odnose između supružnika različitih rasa
• imati roditelje različite boje kože sličnije je npr. imanju mame s plavom ili crvenom kosom (ili bez kose) na Bliskom
ili Dalekom Istoku – jest različita od drugih mama ali je i dalje mama i to vjerojatno biološka
34 dakle 'radikalni darvinisti' odnosno eugeničari, slično kao što je i sam Darwin bio rasist i seksist, što je za njegovo vrijeme
bilo "normalno"
https://catholicecumene.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/brave-new-world-aldous-huxley-1932
35 npr. Margaret Sanger, osnivačica Planned Parenthooda
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/huffington-post-writer-embrace-your-inner-racist-and-kill-black-babies
http://therightswriter.com/2014/03/are-pro-lifers-racist
http://therightswriter.com/2014/05/which-is-extreme-hgtv-evangelical-christians-or-a-racist-abortionist-accused-of-rape
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/deranged-soft-porn-cosmo-attacks-jessa-duggar-over-holocaust-abortion
36 http://www.eugenicsarchive.org/html/eugenics/essay7text.html
http://www.facinghistory.org/eugenics-race-marriage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_Integrity_Act_of_1924
http://ccgaction.org/family/marriage/antimiscenegenation
http://www.occidentalenclave.org/viewtopic.php?f=36&p=43432
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/forcibly-sterilizing-the-unfit-the-u.s.-eugenics-program-you-probably-haven
•
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their skin but by the content of their character.” The distinction between race and conduct
is basic."
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/05/13226
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/mlk-homosexuality-a-problem-with-a-solution
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2014/04/marriage-reason-and-religious-libertymuch-ado-about-sex-nothing-to-do-with-race
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/when-gay-activism-gets-really-really-racist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vQJC7k24io (CROL vijesti – rasizam u LGBT zajednici?)
Prigovor 4: Baš, istom se logikom tisućljećima ugnjetavalo žene.
Da se vas sluša žene bi po tome sjedile doma i rađale jer eto, imaju biološke
predispozicije za to pa očito za drugo i nisu.
Odgovor:
Kao i iznad, non sequitur: to što se određena argumentacija koristila za ugnjetavanje u
određenim slučajevima ne znači da je ta ili njoj slična argumentacija uvijek u službi
ugnjetavanja. Uz to i analogija je potpuno kriva. Argument iz (protu)prirodnosti u slučaju
istospolnog braka nije banalog tipa priziva na prirodu/biologiju koji je sam po sebi logička
pogreška37, naprotiv samo koristi objektivne biološke i antropološke činjenice 38 za informirani
stav o pravnoj, moralnoj i socijalnoj prihvatljivosti određene (re)definicije braka i obitelji.
Prava bi stoga analogija, ugnjetavanju tipa "ti možeš rađati zato moraš samo rađati", bila "vi
možete biti heteroseksualci i rađati djecu zato morate biti heteroseksualci i samo rađati
djecu". Naravno, nitko ne tvrdi ili zahtijeva da svi moraju (općenito govoreći čak niti da
mogu) biti heteroseksualci a kamoli da svi moraju rađati djecu. Štoviše "diskriminacija" "gay
braka" se ne bavi time što netko mora nego time što netko smije odnosno ne smije pa bi tako
analogija u drugom smjeru iz "diskriminacije gay braka" prema "rađanju" bila: "to što će
znanost jednom možda omogućiti muškarcu da si ugradi maternicu i začne dijete ne znači da
mu to ikada treba biti omogućeno ili dopušteno".
No, osim što prigovor ne drži vodu jer, kao klasični "15 sekundni argument", radi karikaturu od
argumentacije druge strane on zapravo pokazuje onu mračnu dodirnu točku radikalnog
feminizma i queer ideologije, krajnji oblik pobune: ideju da konačno oslobođenje čovjek
može doživjeti samo ako dekonstruira i zaniječe svoju prirodu (točka M). U slučaju žene, da
izgledom i ponašanjem bude kao muškarac (promiskuitetna i agresivna ali ipak ne i apstraktno
racionalna) dok istovremeno niječe (ili ubija) svoje majčinstvo. Pa tako s te inkluzivne prochoice strane čitamo ovakve poruke:
"U Programu Vlade Republike Hrvatske za mandat 2003.-2007. Vlada RH stavlja
pitanja ravnopravnosti spolova u poglavlje o obitelji smješta prava žena u kontekst
37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is–ought_problem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_question_argument
38 - da brak proizlazi iz ljudske prirode (spolna komplementarnost) te da time nije samo društveni konstrukt (nego prethodi
društvu i predstavlja njegov osnovni preduvjet)
- da iz tog dijela ljudske prirode (društveno biće sa spolnim razmnožavanjem), koji brak i modelira odnosno uređuje,
proizlaze djeca, novi ljudi, koja pak po svojoj (evoluiranoj) prirodi nešto od svijeta u koji dolaze i očekuju (pod goli
minimum, barem majku)
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zaštite obitelji. Na taj način Vlada RH promovira tradicionalne rodne uloge u kojima
je jedina uloga žene služiti obitelji i odgajati djecu. Isti odlomak propisuje da bi se
porodiljni odmor trebao produljiti na 3 godine, što je već stupilo na snagu s novim
Zakonom o radu i uzrokuje diskriminaciju žena na tržištu rada."39
Kontra&Iskorak
i istovremeno
"Uh, baš je teško 'stvoriti novi život' - ode se u neki narodnjački klub kojih je
Hrvatska puna, pokupi se neka pijana djevojka željna seksa i ujutro stvoren taj novi
život, 'nešto najdivnije na ovom svijetu'! LOL Doista nema smisla mistificirati jednu
tako banalnu činjenicu poput rađanja djece kao vrhunac egzistencije; time se
uostalom ugnjetava žene već stoljećima, pretvarajući ih u hodajuće inkubatore za
izbacivanje djece na traci. Čim čujem muškarca kako svoj spermatozoid uzdiše na
božanski pijedestal, umjesto da shvati kako je rađanje isključivo stvar žene,
jasno mi je da sam naletio na muškog šovinistu."
Gordan Duhaček (blog, 10.10.2012., 14:52:35)
Zanimljivo kako omogućenje izbora žene (s tim da naravno dio tog porodiljnog može
iskoristiti i otac) da bude dulje na porodiljnom (više se posveti tom strašnom majčinstvu)
predstavlja tradicionalistički mrak i izvor diskriminacije. Zašto su "tradicionalne rodne uloge",
uz pretpostavku slobodnog izbora, nešto a priori loše ako je osobni izbor jedina ultimativna
(egzistencijalna) svetinja i svatko je krojač svoje sreće? Očito imamo pravo misliti i htjeti što
god želimo dok god želimo ono što piše s druge strane šarene zastave. Kako inače shvatiti da
istovremeno za inkluzivne pro-choicere pravo na surogatsvo i transvestitsku umjetnu oplodnju
ne predstavlja "promociju tradicionalnih (materinskih) rodnih uloga"? Jer, naravno, kad su u
pitanju Elton Johnove narudžbe40 onda se ne radi o "ugnjetavanju", ne onda je to "bezuvjetna
ljubav"41...
Prigovor 5: Alternativna ljubav i skrb već su tu.
Obiteljsko okruženje, odgoj i predanje mogu pružiti i druge (npr. LGBTTIQ) zajednice,
neke čak i imati djecu "djelomično rođenu" (nekom već od google-baby tehnika) u tim
zajednicama. Država već prepoznaje alternativne oblike obitelji (npr. u slučaju
gubitka roditelja skrbništvo dobiva prikladan skrbnik ili obitelj iz najbliže rodbine).
Odgovor:
Mogu ako se obiteljsko okruženje redefinira tako da i te zajednice počnemo smatrati
(nuklearnim) obiteljima (cirkularni argument). Prigovor je samoporažavajući jer postojeće
"skrbničke alternative" postoje isključivo i upravo kao alternative odnosno kao suboptimalna
zamjenska rješenja ako se djetetu nikako ne može pružiti ideal biološke majke i oca.
Čak i da pretpostavimo (zapravo nepostojeću) potrebu za alternativnim posvajanjima (uslijed
npr. premalog broja voljnih prirodnih obitelji i tako lošeg stanja skrbničkih ustanova zbog
kojeg je nepoželjno i kraće čekanje na prikladnu obitelj) uslijed koje bi se LGBTTIQ zajednice
smatrale kao ipak bolje okruženje od npr. domova za nezbrinutu djecu ili privremenih
skrbničkih obitelji to i dalje ne bi značilo da (prema {A}) predstavljaju jednako dobro
39 http://www.iskorak.hr/wp-content/uploads/files/pt-prava2006.pdf str 10. poglavlje 2
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/111017-najmlada-hcsp-ovka-zrinka-pezer-ima-pravo-na-svoj-stav-apravobraniteljici-za-ravnopravnost-spolova-majcinstvo-je-diskriminacija.html
40 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1342346/Elton-Johns-baby-2-mothers-required-produce-heir.html
41 http://narod.hr/u-prijevodu/pater-ike-manduric-medijski-aplauz-za-prodaju-djece1
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okruženje kao "tradicionalni" brak/prirodna obitelj čak ni u slučaju posvojene djece (jer u
prirodnom braku djeca npr. barem mogu roditelje nedvosmisleno zvati mama i tata umjesto
da imaju x tata i/ili y mama pa ih moraju zvati imenom ili kako to već funkcionira 42).
Složenica "čak i 'djelomično' biološka djeca" zapravo je protuargument sam po sebi (očito
pokazuje da je ideal pa time i "identičnost" nedostižna).
Prigovor 6: Konstrukcija inkluzivnog zeitgeista.
Država svejedno može usvojiti novu "inkluzivniju" definiciju braka koja bolje odražava
društveni zeitgeist.
Odgovor:
Osim što neopravdano pretpostavlja da trenutni društveni zeitgeist uistinu "uključuje" queer
ideologiju43, takav pristup (usprkos protivnim argumentima i tradiciji) zahtijeva ili prihvaćanje
postmodernističke ideološke premise da je "istina" samo subjektivna odnosno društvena
konstrukcija pa da prema tome možemo nazivati i definirati stvari čisto prema vlastitim
preferencijama (neovisno o "nepostojećoj objektivnoj stvarnosti") i/ili prelazak na ekstremniji
oblik običajnog prava kao "evoluirajuću formalizaciju zeitgeista". Oba pristupa pate od
nekonzistencije. Pravno prepoznavanje i reguliranje čisto ideološkog koncepta, u ovom
slučaju braka, koji više ne predstavlja model objektivne stvarnosti (npr. ljudske biološke
prirode) ili društvene nužnosti (npr. djeca) nego dakle (racionalno neutemeljeno) uvjerenje,
stoji u proturječju s načelima libertarijanske odnosno sekularne i "minimalne" države (koja
građanima ne propisuje određenu ideologiju). Jednako tako postaje upitno zašto je baš ta
proizvoljna ideja vrijedna tako posebne regulacije u vidu posebnih prava, obveza, ekonomskih
potpora te pozamašnog pratećeg opusa obiteljskog prava?44
Čak i da trenutna definicija braka jest plod "desničarsko-patrijarhalno-konzervativnih
predmodernih ideologija" ona je (i) model objektivne ljudske prirode za razliku od
42 http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/lesbian-couple-guilty-of-gruesome-murder-1.270415
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10147246/Men-can-be-wives-and-women-husbands-as-Government-overrulesthe-dictionary.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047671/High-Court-judges-blast-gay-parents-fighting-little-sisters.html
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/09/13692
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ontario-school-board-aims-to-eliminate-non-inclusive-terms-like-husband-and
43 http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2013/abortion/european-parliament-the-motion-promoting-abortion-homosexualityand-paedophilia-is-defeated-a-great-victory-for-human-rights
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/poraz-abortivno-homoseksualnog-lobija-u-eu-parlamentu
homoseksualci organizirano protiv 'homo braka':
• http://www.homovox.com (Francuska)
• http://www.samesexmarriage.org.au (Australija)
• http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com (SAD)
http://narod.hr/kultura/dolce-gabbana-jedina-obitelj-je-tradicionalna-protiv-smo-ideje-da-dijete-odrasta-s-dva-gayroditelja
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bisexual-professor-raised-by-lesbians-never-knows-whether-im-going-to-bet-k
http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/francuski-homoseksualac-protiv-sam-agresivnog-lgbt-lobija-ciji-je-cilj-unistiti-tradicionalnuobitelj
http://www.dnevno.hr/vjera/vjera-i-kultura/71743-homofob-godine-rupert-everett.html
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/djeca-trebaju-mamu-i-tatu-to-znaju-i-homoseksualci
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/indiana-state-house-approves-constitutional-amendment-banning-gay-marriage
44 "two track" UK system:
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/pbc/2012-13/MARRIAGE_(SAME_SEX_COUPLES)_BILL/12-0_2013-03-07a.4.7
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2014/family/uk-a-man-cannot-be-a-queen
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/38-latin-american-nations-sign-document-urging-radical-support-for-abortion
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LGBTTIQQA-friendly definicije koja je samo plod "ljevičarsko-matrijarhalno-liberalnih
postmodernih ideologija".
Standardni problem ideje da se "vrijednosti mijenjaju s vremenom" odnosno evoluirajućeg
moralnog zeitgeista analogan je onom "(apsolutne) tolerancije": kako onda ikada i o čemu
možemo donijeti moralni sud? Kako možemo biti sigurni da "sljedeća verzija vrijednosti" neće
učiniti i trenutnu dogmu "neistinitom"/"neispravnom"/"nepoželjnom" 45?
Zar je uistinu moguće da je brak "samo papir" ili "samo naziv" a istovremeno donosi tolike
beneficije46 i društvu i onima koji su u njemu? Ili je možda vjerojatnije da postoji inherentna
priroda braka iz koje te blagodati proizlaze i da stoga brak nije samo konstruirani naziv koji
možemo, bez posljedica, mijenjati kako se zeitgeistu svidi? 47
Marriage isn’t something society "allows," as if it were just another morally neutral hobby,
like stamp collecting. It’s something society honors. And to use the state to redefine marriage
is anything but "personal;" it’s inherently public. Nobody knows this better than the activists
pushing for same-sex marriage. They don’t want to be left alone to live their lives; they want
to force everyone else to affirm what they do with their lives.
Društvo ne "dozvoljava" brak, brak je postojao prije društva, brak je preduvjet društva,
društvo brak kao takav prepoznaje i štiti.
One of the silliest things people say about offensive sexual material is "if you don’t like it,
don’t look at it." That’s like saying "if you don’t like polluted air, don’t breathe it." When it’s
all around you, you can’t avoid the pollution.
" “If we are seeing marriage as a way to access health care, where does that leave people
who are currently unemployed or who are single?” she asked. “We need to look at things
marriage gives people and ask why that is conditional on being a couple.” "
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/21/fashion/21kids.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/13a/illinois_marriage/novote_0531.html
http://c-fam.org/en/issues/human-rights-system/3858-countries-reject-declaration-of-homosexual-rights-atosce
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUbqOR3WL8w pervan u bujici
http://americanvision.org/1438/homosexual-marriages-square-peg-round-hole
Prigovor 7: Djeca u istospolnim zajednicama već su stvarnost.
"...why the children of same-sex parents are any less deserving of protection and support?"/ "There is
no good reason to punish children raised by gay parents by denying parents marriage and its
protections. It harms kids rather than helping them."
a) Djeca u poligamnim, poliamoričnim, incestnim, etc. zajednicama već su stvarnost. I?
45 http://www.albertmohler.com/2014/01/13/the-end-of-morality-laws-not-exactly
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/09/13462 The Illusion of Neutrality
46 http://blog.heritage.org/2014/01/09/benefits-marriage-low-income-americans-arent-just-combined-paycheck
47 http://blog.heritage.org/2014/01/14/marriage-testimony-cant-say-fathers-essential-law-redefines-marriag
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/01/11880
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b)
Djecom u istospolnim zajednicama koja su se tamo našla posvajanjem (izigravanjem zakona o
posvajanju koji omogućava posvajanje samcima) ili umjetnom oplodnjom odnosno nekom od
"google baby" tehnika (svjesno/namjerno dovedena u taj nezavidan položaj iz kojeg ih sad
društvo mora vaditi redefinicijom braka) bave se posebna poglavlja a za ovaj su prigovor
zapravo protuargument jer predstavljaju uporabu djece kao svojevrsnog "živog štita".
Stvaran problem predstavljaju djeca koja su se u istospolnoj zajednici našla kao naslijeđe iz
propalog braka ili veze, no taj problem ne možemo riješiti tako da jednostavno proglasimo tu
situaciju normalnom (i time normaliziramo buduće namjerno/svjesno dovođenje djece u
takve zajednice). Skrbnički problemi nebiološkog skrbnika mogli bi se u tim slučajevima
riješiti slično kako bi riješili probleme u slučaju kad npr. dvije sestre skrbe za djecu jedne od
njih nakon smrti muža/oca. U svakom slučaju rješavanje tih problema ne zahtijeva nužno
redefiniciju braka.
"Trenutno u Hrvatskoj nekoliko desetaka istospolnih parova živi s djecom kojoj je
jedan od partnera posvojitelj ili biološki roditelj. Najčešće se radi o ženskim
parovima, u kojima je jedna od žena išla u inozemstvo na medicinski potpomognutu
oplodnju spermom anonimnog donora ili je, kao samica, posvojila dijete. Najrjeđe
su one koje imaju djecu iz bivših veza."48
jutarnji
Prigovor 8: Get your rosaries off my ovaries
"Jer kada se razmota raskošni celofan PR-a homofobne inicijative i njenih
podržavatelja, ostaju dvije vječne 'istine' u temelju svake homofobije: katolička
dogma i par citata iz Biblije (ili neke druge navodno svete knjige), te gađenje koje
neki, nesigurni u vlastitu seksualnost, osjećaju prema je**nju u dupe. (Što je doista
nešto iznimno zadovoljavajuće, uzbudljivo i lijepo; inače pederi ne bi to radili!)"
Gordan Duhaček @ T-Portal 22.05.201349
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tako da ću samo reć ovo... ne slažem se i religija nema što za debatirat, debate prepustimo
znanstvenicima koji se još uvijek ne slažu oko puno stvari u homoseksualnim brakovima.
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Katolička crkva, po mome, se nema što packati u politiku, da... ako želi plaćat porez i
kanidirati se u sabor onda to može raditi, inače se nema što mješati u politiku :)
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Prema toj logici onda bi i svim nevladinim neprofitnim organizacijama koje su politički
aktivne (npr. Iskorak i Kontra) trebali oduzeti status oslobođenja od plaćanja poreza?
48 http://www.jutarnji.hr/ekskluzivno--gay-brak-moci-ce-kod-maticara--ali-ne-i-posvajati-djecu-/1117750
49 http://bigblog.tportal.hr/ponosipredrasude
http://www.dragovoljac.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18921:u-zdravmozak&catid=50:wolf&Itemid=54
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U svakom slučaju: "koja crkva?" iliti to je standardna karikatura odnosno "straw man"
argument kojom se svaki "konzervativni" glas automatski difamira kao jeka mračnjačke crkve.
Osim što izjednačavanje crkve ili katoličke ili vjerske misli s mrakom ili nečim općenito
negativnim predstavlja definiciju (negativne) diskriminacije, odgovor je vrlo jednostavan:
nađite ovdje i jedan jedini argument koji je "crkveni" ili "religijski"...
Popovi u celibatu nemaju što govoriti o braku – zato razvedeni liberali u otvorenim vezama
imaju?
http://discussingmarriage.org
http://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2012/08/opposing-gay-marriage-is-rational-notreligious
http://www.aleteia.org/en/scienvironment/article/10-ways-that-science-is-proving-the-church-is-right-and-thecultures-wrong-5881921179484160
http://www.crol.hr/portal/aktivizam-politika/dogaaji/6038-to-je-hrvatska-mogla-s-milijardama-utroenima-navelebne-crkve.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSYBXmlioaA
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A ono formije mi je bilo "ne mjenjanje crkvenih pravila"... Really?
Tko je bio glavni zastupnik za robovlasništvo? Tko je bio glavni zastupnik da žene vrijede
manje od muškarca? Tko je bio glavni zastupnik da se ljudi različitih rasa ne smiju vjenčat?
Otkrit ću vam "tajnu"... odgovor na sva 3 pitanja je isti. Religija. No vidi čuda, sada najednom
je sve to ok.
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>>Zastupnik<< !?
I ako je stvar uistinu tako trivijalno jasna čemu odjednom bježanje u općeniti pojam
"religija"?
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Charles Darwin
"The chief distinction in the intellectual powers of the two sexes is shewn by man's attaining
to a higher eminence, in whatever he takes up, than can woman—whether requiring deep
thought, reason, or imagination, or merely the use of the senses and hands. If two lists were
made of the most eminent men and women in poetry, painting, sculpture, music (inclusive
both of composition and performance), history, science, and philosophy, with half-a-dozen
names under each subject, the two lists would not bear comparison. We may also infer, from
the law of the deviation from averages, so well illustrated by Mr. Galton, in his work on
'Hereditary Genius,' that if men are capable of a decided pre-eminence over women in many
subjects, the average of mental power in man must be above that of woman."
http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?viewtype=text&itemID=F955&pageseq=587
"The more civilized so-called Caucasian races have beaten the Turkish hollow in the struggle
for existence. Looking to the world at no very distant date, what an endless number of the
lower races will have been eliminated by the higher civilized races throughout the world."
http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?
viewtype=text&itemID=F1452.1&keywords=hollow+turkish&pageseq=334
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"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man
will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the
same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no
doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between
man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a
baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla."
http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?viewtype=side&itemID=F937.1&pageseq=214
"They possessed hardly any arts, and like wild animals lived on what they could catch; they
had no government, and were merciless to every one not of their own small tribe. He who has
seen a savage in his native land will not feel much shame, if forced to acknowledge that the
blood of some more humble creature flows in his veins. For my own part I would as soon be
descended from that heroic little monkey, who braved his dreaded enemy in order to save the
life of his keeper, or from that old baboon, who descending from the mountains, carried away
in triumph his young comrade from a crowd of astonished dogs—as from a savage who delights
to torture his enemies, offers up bloody sacrifices, practises infanticide without remorse,
treats his wives like slaves, knows no decency, and is haunted by the grossest superstitions."
http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?viewtype=side&itemID=F955&pageseq=642
Sir Arthur Keith, evolucionist, ateist
"To see evolutionary measures and tribal morality being applied rigorously to the affairs of a
great modern nation we must turn again to Germany of 1942. We see Hitler devoutly
convinced that evolution provides the only real basis for a national policy...
...Such conduct is highly immoral as measured by every scale of ethics, yet Germany justifies
it; it is consonant with tribal or evolutionary morality. Germany has reverted to the tribal
past, and is demonstrating to the world, in their naked ferocity, the methods of evolution,
with this difference what were mere border forays between tribes have become the clash of
massed millions using the forked lightning of modern science. She protects her own people
and nurses her own Kultur while she seeks to undo all other people and to destroy their
civilization."
http://www.bearfabrique.org/Evolution08/evolution-and-ethics.html
http://creation.com/arthur-keith-on-hitler-and-evolution
Ernst Haeckel, evolucionistički rasist
“Haeckel was the chief apostle of evolution in Germany.... His evolutionary racism; his call to
the German people for racial purity and unflinching devotion to a "just" state; his belief that
harsh, inexorable laws of evolution ruled human civilization and nature alike, conferring upon
favored races the right to dominate others; the irrational mysticism that had always stood in
strange communion with his brave words about objective science - all contributed to the rise
of Nazism.”
Stephen J. Gould, "Ontogeny and Phylogeny," Belknap Press: Cambridge MA, 1977, pp.77-78).
[202]
"Haeckel’s forceful, eminently comprehensible, if not always accurate, books appeared in all
major languages and surely exerted more influence than the works of any other scientist,
including Darwin…in convincing people throughout the world about the validity of evolution...
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Haeckel had exaggerated the similarities [between embryos of different species] by
idealizations and omissions. He also, in some cases — in a procedure that can only be called
fraudulent — simply copied the same figure over and over again.…Haeckel’s drawings never
fooled expert embryologists, who recognized his fudgings right from the start. Haeckel’s
drawings, despite their noted inaccuracies, entered into the most impenetrable and
permanent of all quasi-scientific literatures: standard student textbooks of biology... Once
ensconced in textbooks, misinformation becomes cocooned and effectively permanent,
because…textbooks copy from previous texts.... [W]e do, I think, have the right to be both
astonished and ashamed by the century of mindless recycling that has led to the persistence
of these drawings in a large number, if not a majority, of modern textbooks!"
ibid [216]
Sir Julian Huxley, eugeničar, evolucionist i prvi generalni direktor UNESCO-a
"Thus even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years
politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the
eugenic problem is examined... and that the public mind is informed... so that much that is
now unthinkable may at least become thinkable"
UNESCO ITS PURPOSE AND ITS PHILOSOPHY by the founding Director-General of UNESCO Sir
Julian Huxley. This is from the original founding document of the UNESCO, THE UNITED
NATIONS EDUCATIONAL, SCIENTIFIC AND CULTURAL ORGANISATION, 1946
"Once the full implications of evolutionary biology are grasped, eugenics will inevitably
become part of the religion of the future, or of whatever complex of sentiments may in the
future take the place of organized religion"
"Eugenics and Society" (The Galton Lecture given to the Eugenics Society), by Julian Huxley
James Watson, nobelovac, suotkrivač DNK
“If you are really stupid, I would call that a disease. The lower 10 percent of who really have
difficulty, even in elementary school, what’s the cause of it? A lot of people would like to say,
‘Well, poverty, things like that,’ It probably isn’t. So I’d like to get rid of that, to help lower
the 10 percent.”
http://www.catholicleague.org/james-watson-fan-of-infanticide-resigns
“If a child were not declared alive until three days after birth, then all parents could be
allowed the choice only a few are given under the present system. The doctor could allow the
child to die if the parents so choose and save a lot of misery and suffering. I believe this view
is the only rational, compassionate attitude to have.”
Prism magazine 1973
Francis Crick, nobelovac, suotkrivač DNK
"...no newborn infant should be declared human until it has passed certain tests regarding its
genetic endowment and that if it fails these tests, it forfeits the right to live."
January 1978 Pacific News Service
Peter Singer, ateist, utilitarist; apologet pobačaja, infanticida, eutanazije, eugenike,
surogatstva, bestijalnosti,...; vegan i osnivač pokreta za oslobođenje životinja; svjetski
poznati profesor bioetike na Princetonskom sveučilištu
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer
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“There are various things you could say that are sufficient to give some moral status [to a
child] after a few months, maybe six months or something like that, and you get perhaps to
full moral status, really, only after two years.”
"If we compare a severely defective human infant with a nonhuman animal, a dog or a pig, for
example, we will often find the nonhuman to have superior capacities.... We can no longer
base our ethics on the idea that human beings are a special form of creation, made in the
image of God, singled out from all other animals, and alone possessing an immortal soul."
Peter Singer July 1983 issue of Pediatrics
“Killing a disabled infant is not morally equivalent to killing a person. Very often it is not
wrong at all.”
Joseph Fletcher, bioetičar, 'humanist godine' 1974
"People [with children with Down's syndrome]... have no reason to feel guilty about putting a
Down's syndrome baby away, whether it's "put away" in the sense of hidden in a sanitarium or
in a more responsible lethal sense. It is sad; yes. Dreadful. But it carries no guilt. True guilt
arises only from an offense against a person, and a Down's is not a person."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Fletcher
Margaret Sanger, feministica, eugeničarka, osnivačica Planned Parenthooda (najveći izvršitelj
abortusa u SAD-u s godišnjim proračunom od ~milijardu dolara)
“The mass of Negroes, particularly in the South, still breed carelessly and
disastrously, with the result that the increase among Negroes, even more than among
Whites, is from that portion of the population least intelligent and fit.***
“The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal.
We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and
the Minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of
their more rebellious members.”50
MARGARET SANGER I IZABRANA SMRT
Mary Stopes, feministica, eugeničarka,
“Stopes even cut her son Harry out of her will for marrying a near-sighted woman named Mary
Eyre Wallis. Stopes wrote, "She has an inherited disease of the eyes, which not only makes her
wear hideous glasses so that it is horrid to look at her, but the awful curse will carry on and I
have the horror of our line being so contaminated and little children with the misery of
glasses ... Mary and Harry are quite callous about both the wrong to their children, the wrong
to my family and the eugenic crime."”
http://www.maranathacommunity.org.uk/pdf/sept-08-sex-and-relaionship-educationreview.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Stopes
Jonathan Glover ateist, bioetičar, filozof
no inherent value to life or consciousness
50 http://www.lifenews.com/2011/07/22/dr-martin-luther-king-jr-had-pro-life-view-opposing-abortion
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http://phil163.auzen.com/yloader.php?title=glover
http://www.nationalrighttolifenews.org/news/2012/03/leading-bioethicists-conclude-infanticide-no-differentfrom-abortion/#.U1i-OHDtx64
“...more men and women were slaughtered in a couple of weeks of the terror of the
atheistic French Revolution than in a century of the Inquisition.”
Michael Coren, Why Catholics are Right
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/04/20134210413618256.html
http://www.conservapedia.com/Ota_Benga
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/na-prosvjedu-protiv-vatikanskih-ugovora-srusio-gospodu-od-77-godina-razbio-joj-nos
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/ruzica-cavar-kada-je-tako-zlocinacki-nasrnuo-na-mene-podsjetilo-na-domovinski-ratna-agresore-cetnike-koji-su-na-takav-nacin-nasrtali-na-hrvatske-civile-starce-zene-djecu
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/crna-kronika/99642-morbidna-odgajateljica-u-jaslicama-silovala-bebe-i-svesnimala-zajedno-s-deckom-registriranim-seksualnim-prijestupnikom.html
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Jel' da, nije lijepo a ni zabavno kad se rade selektivne karikature od tvog
"svjetonazora"...Kako si sam rekao, "ako argument ne pali na tebi ne koristi ga na drugome"...
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Jedino što se u religiji nikad nije mjenjalo je ono što nam "zdravi razum" kaže da je ispravno.
Dakle da ne valja krast i ubijat.
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Možeš li molim te pojasniti na koji to način "zdrav razum" (što god to za sad bilo) kaže da je
(objektivno i racionalno) "neispravno" krasti i ubijati? Npr. neki (i.e. Peter Singer) su "zdravim
razumom" došli do "novog promišljanja ljudskog života i raspada tradicionalne etike" prema
kojem neke stvari više ne smatramo ubojstvom, od već tradiconalnog abortusa i eutanazije
onih kojima je život "težak" do eugenike, konsenzualnog kanibalizma i infanticida do ~30 dana
starosti ako roditelji jako nisu zadovoljni djetetom. Zašto ja ne bih tebe ubio da se nađemo "u
dilemi na splavi"? I zašto ne bih krao ako znam me neće uhvatiti ili da će mi kazna biti manja
od "lovine"? Kako Dawkins kaže u uvodu "Nice guys finish first" zašto je išao raditi taj
dokumentarac odnosno dodatak na Sebični gen jer da je recimo jedan poduzetnik (razumski)
shvatio njegovu knjigu kao opravdanje za beskrupulozni kapitalizam...
Koji se dio tzv. "deset zapovijedi" promijenio?
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Nemojte živjet u zabludi ljudi... upoznajte malo svoju religiju... pogotovo djelove tipa "ja
sam jahve, ljubomoran bog" ili psalam ljubavi gdje kaže da prava ljubav ne pozna
ljubomoru :)
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"Psalam ljubavi" lol da nekome ovdje uistinu treba upoznavanja svoje odnosno tuđe religije...
ps. http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=6&article=777
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Ja ostajem pri tvrdnji da RKC i katolici općenito biraju što im paše...
Ruku gore koliko vas je ostalo "čisto" sve do braka? Svi koji niste dignuli ruku, nemate pravo
glasa :P
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- argumentum ad hominem?
- tko i/ili koje grupe "ne biraju što im paše"?
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Da crkva od malena ne indoktrinira mozgove ljudi što kasnije prolongira na obitelj i društvo u cijelini s
time kako je to bolest, danas bi na svijetu bilo puno više sretnih i zaljubljenih ljudi kojima ne bi bio važan
spol već osoba.
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Tipična karikatura. "Indoktrinaciju" "da je to bolest" je do relativno nedavno provodila sama "znanost" i
uopće društvo u cjelini (sa ili bez Crkve). Gdje to i na koji način seksualna revolucija i queer i rodne
teorije promoviraju pristup "drugome" kao "osobi"? Naprotiv, u središtu je pojedinac sa svojim
neosudivim/"anything goes"/"svatko ima svoju istinu" preferencijama, željama i užicima (koje uključuju i
"konsenzualno trošenje drugih 'osoba' kao čarapa"). Upravo Crkva "indoktrinira mozgove ljudi" naukom
da je pristup drugom čovjeku isključivo kao osobi (odnosno kao subjektu a ne objektu, u smislu Kantovog
kategoričkog imperativa) jedini moralno ispravan. Posljedično, isto tako "naučava" da jedini oblik
ljudskog odnosa i/ili zajedništva koji uključuje seksualnost, dakle oblik interakcije koji uključuje fizičko
uživanje u drugoj osobi, a koji i dalje može biti moralan jest brak (i to onakav kakav se podrazumijeva
pod pojmom kršćanskog braka, koji podrazumijeva _vjernost_ _osobi_ i otvorenost životu).
Gdje u tvojoj viziji "slobodne" xyz-seksualnosti ("_ljubavi_") i "iskrenog swingeraja" uspijevaš vidjeti
pristup drugome kao subjektu/osobi umjesto kao objektu?
ps. nije tako teško otvoriti katekizam ako želiš vidjeti što (katolička) crkva uistinu naučava o
homoseksualnosti...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEH6iau7wkM <-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSYBXmlioaA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcmKHqH56_4
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Ovako su dječje priče o "svetoj obitelji" samo celofan za to da je čovjek ništa drugo do li životinja
stvorena za daljnje reproduciranje.
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Tipična karikatura. Upravo znanost (u svom dawkinsovskom/scijentističkom obliku spakirana u
"metodički naturalizam") tvrdi da je "čovjek ništa drugo doli životinja stvorena za daljnje reproduciranje"
(osim što se ne koristi pojam "stvorena" nego "razvijena"/"evoluirana") dok naprotiv upravo Crkva tvrdi
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da čovjek ima dualnu prirodu (dakle onu koja nije svediva na, niti svoju svrhovitost nalazi u, pukom
reproduciranju).
Scijentisti i "novi ateisti" ("brights") doduše pokušavaju ponuditi svoju "optimističnu" viziju života i
odgovore na "totalna pitanja" usprkos "bazičnoj bešćutnosti kozmosa" no sve što sam od toga ponuđenog
imao prilike proučiti može se opisati određenom kombinacijom pridjeva tužno, plitko, proturječno i
zastrašujuće (malo više o tome na temi Znanost/Evolucija, ako joj se ikad stignem vratiti :).
ps. Crkva ne govori o reprodukciji nego o prokreaciji u kontekstu obitelji, dakle o nečemu suštinski
drugačijem, što stavlja naglasak na ideje sukreacije; sjedinjenja komplementarne različitosti muške i
ženske ljudske osobe; međusobnog darivanja umjesto partnerskog/simbiotskog/reciprocitetnog
zadovoljavanja; učenja zajedništva, predanja, dijeljenja, žrtve i ljubavi te otvorenosti i ljubavi prema
životu samom kao takvom (na sjedinjenje muža i žene te odnos roditelja i djece gleda se kao na slike
odnosa Krista i Crkve odnosno Boga i čovjeka)...
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Seksualnost, ljubav i čovjek u konačnici su daleko iznad toga [da je čovjek ništa drugo do li životinja
stvorena za daljnje reproduciranje].
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Možeš li ponuditi kakav "znanstveni" dokaz za ovu tvrdnju?
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Dok s druge strane, niti za jedan brak sklopljen u crkvi za koji osobno znam, ne bih stavila ruku u vatru
da barem jedan od partnera nije prevario drugoga ili da ne bi bio u stanju kad bi mu se pružila prilika.
Čast izuzecima, ali ja ne bih stavila ruku u vatru za nikog.
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I tako je čovjek "daleko iznad" puke životinjske reprodukcije ali istovremeno ne bi stavila ruku u vatru
nizakoga da je u stanju "biti iznad" tih istih životinjskih nagona?
Ili su pak varalice i licemjeri samo oni vjenčani u crkvi a homoseksualci i "nevjernici" su iskreni?
U svjetlu takvog viđenja ljudskog roda vratio bih se na tvoj životni imperativ "ne narušavanja slobode" od
malo prije. Volio bih znati odakle ga "povlačiš", je li to za tebe stvar "socijalnog ugovora" (neću ja tebe pa
nemoj ni ti mene) ili to pak vidiš kao neki "viši samoevidentni ideal"?
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Krasan je taj BOG-LJUBAV koji propisuje SMRT. Zaista prava poruka svekolike kršćanske ljubavi, vjere
i tolerancije.
Imam osjećaj da mi umre preko nekoliko sivih stanica kad pročitam post poput tvojeg.
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A možda je problem barem dijelom u tvojem ("krivom") razumijevanju koncepta (kršćanske) ljubavi, u
kojem se opet ne možeš maknuti od postmodernističkog ideala "svete tolerancije". Tolerancija je
primitvan koncept u usporedbi s idejom ljubavi (hladnokrvna nezainteresiranost je isto tolerantna).
Štoviše apsolutna je tolerancija u sebi kontradiktorna jer očito ne tolerira netoleranciju, a čim
uvedeš/dozvoliš koncept "krivog"/"lošeg"/"nedozvoljenog"/"grijeha" (onog što se ne tolerira) ideja kazne
slijedi sama po sebi. Kazna ne mora biti dio puke pravde nego može biti i čin ljubavi, što zna (sve manje i
manje) roditelja. Ako pak i sam "grijeh" vodi u smrt (duhovnu i/ili fizičku) a "grješnik" se odbija obratiti s
tog puta pa time na isti put navodi i svoju "braću i sestre", ideja da to ljubav kazni i to smrću (jer ljubi one
koji ljube život i jedni druge pa ih očito mora zaštititi od onoga koji vuče i sebe i njih u smrt) više i nije
tako apsurdna.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/equality-the-most-potent-of-the-infernal-lies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAxAWArrdcY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55vTnw3cPf8
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Želim vjerovati kako su ovakvi "vjernici" koji sramote kršćanstvo u manjini i ubuduće imam želje
razmjenivati mišljenja samo s onima koji svoju vjeru žive na ovakav način:
"Kada su farizeji doveli ženu koja je uhvaćena u preljubu pred Isusa i zapitali ga trebaju li je kamenovati,
Isus je odgovorio:
Tko je od vas bez grijeha, neka prvi baci kamen na nju! (Ivan 8,7)
Tko prolije krv čovjekovu, njegovu će krv čovjek proliti! Jer na sliku Božju stvoren je čovjek! (Postanak
9,6)"
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Čini mi se da opet pokušavaš kršćanstvo ugurati u kutijicu "tolerancije". To je kao da
pokušavaš more preliti u posudu. Kršćanstvo jednako "sramote" i "osuđujući nasilnici" >i<
"tolerantni subjektivisti". To se vidi iz oba citata koja si navela. Prvi iz Ivana je (tipično)
izvađen iz konteksta te mu nedostaje ključni završetak "Idi i ne griješi više.", Isus tu dakle
nije bio "tolerantan" i rekao da je preljub OK (radi se o nečemu puno dubljem, razlikovanju
grijeha i grešnika, opraštanju i spasenju i oslobođenju od grijeha, iskrenosti prema/o samome
sebi i ponajviše o učenju nadilaženja samoopravdavajućeg "suhog tumačenja zakona" te
razrješenja sukoba pravde i milosti kroz ljubav), nije rekao da ona nije sagriješila nego da su
svi zgriješili. Drugi citat govori protiv nasilja i istovremeno odobrava nasilje kao kaznu, ni na
koji način dakle ne govori o "toleranciji". Tolerancija je preprimitivan i premlak pojam da bi
imao ozbiljnije biblijsko ("sudbonosno") značenje. Želiš li radije biti u braku gdje vlada
tolerancija ili gdje vlada ljubav?
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"A tko se odrekne mene pred ljudima, odreći ću se i ja njega pred svojim Ocem,
koji je na nebesima. Ne mislite da sam došao mir donijeti na zemlju. Ne, nisam
došao donijeti mir, nego mač."
JC @ Matej 10, 33:34
"Znam tvoja djela: nisi ni studen ni vruć. O da si studen ili vruć! Ali jer si mlak,
ni vruć ni studen, povratit ću te iz usta. Govoriš: 'Bogat sam, obogatih se, ništa mi
ne treba!' A ne znaš da si nevolja i bijeda, i ubog, i slijep, i gol. Savjetujem ti:
kupi od mene zlata u vatri žežena da se obogatiš i bijele haljine da se odjeneš da
se ne vidi tvoja sramotna golotinja; i pomasti da oči pomažeš i vidiš. Ja korim i
odgajam one koje ljubim. Revan budi i obrati se!"
JC @ Otkrivenje 3, 15:19
"Ne treba zdravima liječnika, nego bolesnima. Nisam došao zvati pravedne, nego
grešnike na obraćenje."
JC @ Luka 5, 32:33
(ad "moja savjest je čista" transparent na splitskom Prideu)
"Pogriješi li tvoj brat, idi i opomeni ga nasamo. Ako te posluša, stekao si brata. Ne
posluša li te, uzmi sa sobom još jednoga ili dvojicu, neka na iskazu dvojice ili
trojice svjedoka počiva svaka tvrdnja. Ako ni njih ne posluša, reci Crkvi. Ako pak
ni Crkve ne posluša, neka ti bude kao poganin i carinik. Zaista, kažem vam, što
god svežete na zemlji, bit će svezano na nebu; i što god odriješite na zemlji, bit
će odriješeno na nebu."
JC @ Matej 18, 15:18
"'Zar niste čitali: Stvoritelj od početka muško i žensko stvori ih i reče: Stoga će
čovjek ostaviti oca i majku da prione uza svoju ženu; i dvoje njih bit će jedno
tijelo? Tako više nisu dvoje, nego jedno tijelo. Što, dakle, Bog združi, čovjek neka
ne rastavlja'. Kažu mu: 'Zašto onda Mojsije zapovjedi dati otpusno pismo i –
otpustiti?' Odgovori im: 'Zbog tvrdoće srca vašega dopusti vam Mojsije otpustiti
žene, ali od početka ne bijaše tako. A ja vam kažem: Tko otpusti svoju ženu - osim
zbog bludništva - pa se oženi drugom, čini preljub.'"
JC @ Matej 19, 4:9
"Tko god otpusti svoju ženu pa se oženi drugom, čini preljub. I tko se god oženi
otpuštenom, čini preljub."
JC @ Luka 16, 18
"Čuli ste da je rečeno: Ne čini preljuba! A ja vam kažem: Tko god s požudom
pogleda ženu, već je s njome učinio preljub u srcu."
JC @ Matej 5, 27:28
43
"Ne mislite da sam došao ukinuti Zakon ili Proroke. Nisam došao ukinuti,
nego ispuniti. Zaista, kažem vam, dok ne prođe nebo i zemlja, ne, ni jedno
slovce, ni jedan potezić iz Zakona neće proći, dok se sve ne zbude. Tko
dakle ukine jednu od tih, pa i najmanjih zapovijedi i tako nauči ljude,
najmanji će biti u kraljevstvu nebeskom. A tko ih bude vršio i druge učio,
taj će biti velik u kraljevstvu nebeskom."
JC @ Matej 5, 17:19
"Isus Krist je isti jučer, danas i uvijeke."
Hebrejima 13, 8
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/uk-bishop-denying-communion-to-anti-life-familypoliticians-is-an-act-of-me
=naomi====================
Pozdrav svim ljudima dobre volje i istinskim kršćanima koji žive svoj život prema onoj Isusovoj:
"Novu vam zapovijed dajem:Ljubite jedan drugoga! Kao što sam ja ljubio vas,tako i vi ljubite jedan
drugoga!" (Iv 13,34)
==========================
Nadam se da ne misliš da "ljubav duginih boja" ima ikakve veze s ljubavi iz "Nove zapovijedi"?
=naomi====================
Mogu shvatiti Kristov nauk i poštujem ga, Ivan Pavao II mi je bio izuzetno simpatičan,
==========================
Opet, nadam se da ne misliš da "slobodna i šarena 'ljubav'" i na koji način spada u Kristov nauk?
Znaš li da je Ivan Pavao II bio nominiran za Nobelovu nagradu za mir koju nije dobio između ostalog
upravo zbog stavova o homoseksualnosti?
=naomi====================
ali Ratzinger mi je jedna od najnegativnijih, ako ne i najnegativnija figura u ljudskoj povijesti pa taman
da se ustanovi da je utjelovljenje samoga boga.
==========================
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Bit će da je dobro učio od Pol Pota, Mao Zedonga, Nixona, Staljina, Hitlera, Atile i Džingis-kana.
Al' uopće nemaš problema s iracionalnom mržnjom.
(...inače "negativni" je Ratzinger bio jedan od najbližih suradnika "simpatičnog" Wojtyle...)
http://4simpsons.wordpress.com/2007/11/24/favorite-dish-of-liberal-theologians-skeptics-shellfish
http://www.bitno.net/vjera/10-citata-koji-dokazuju-da-papa-mijenja-crkvu
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/compassionate_or_confusing_the_dalai_lama_on_same_sex_marria
ge
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/can-a-catholic-support-civil-unions-to-prevent-gay-marriage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJGZb5YSNRU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m8-_QlwYV8
http://www.pictureshack.us/images/99492_UImeObitelji.jpg
http://www.fizzit.net/vijesti-i-politika/komentari-i-kolumne/4832-biblijske-vrijednosti-ante-tomica
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{{C}} Posvajanje djece nije samo posvajanje djece.
...from sex without babies to babies without sex...
If marriage leads to children, same-sex marriage must inevitably lead to surrogacy and
exploitation.
“For members of the GLBT community who want to become parents, surrogacy is a
way to make this possible. Gay couples and lesbians who cannot (or don’t want to)
carry a child can have “bio kids” by using a surrogate mother to carry the child.”51
Katharine Swan, The Rainbow babies
“I think this surrogacy thing is crap. It is utterly hideous. I think it’s egocentric and
vain. And these endless IVF treatments people go through. I mean, if you are
meant to have babies then great. But this whole idea of two gay guys filling a
cocktail shaker with their sperm and impregnating some grim lesbian and then it
gets cut out is just really weird.”52
Rupert Everett (gay glumac)
"We know the statistics -- that children who grow up without a father are five
times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to
drop out of schools and twenty times more likely to end up in prison."
"They are more likely to have behavioral problems, or run away from home, or
become teenage parents themselves. And the foundations of our community are
weaker because of it."53
Barack Obama (Očev dan 2008.)
"Izmjena prijedloga zakona [koja dozvoljava MPO za tras-mamatate], međutim,
provedena je. Do sada je u njemu doslovce postojala zabrana MPO-e za osobe koje
su promijenile spol, i to pod doslovce deguntantnim argumentom “zaštite
dobrobiti djeteta”."54
queer.hr
"She's just like an easy-bake oven except with no legal rights to the cupcake." 55
NBC – The New Normal
51 http://www.therainbowbabies.com/GaySurrogacy.html
52 http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/09/16/famous-gay-actor-i-can%E2%80%99t-think-of-anything-worse-than-beingbrought-up-by-two-gay-dads
53 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/us/politics/15text-obama.html
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/01/11034 No interest in fathers
http://blog.heritage.org/2014/01/14/marriage-testimony-cant-say-fathers-essential-law-redefines-marriage-make-optional
54 http://queer.hr/23645/umjetna-oplodnja-za-transmuskarce-u-hrvatskoj-tesko
55 http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/the_link_between_rented_wombs_and_gay_marriage
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“The dissociation of procreation from marriage, freezing of human beings in liquid
nitrogen, eugenic selection and handling them as if they were pieces of pork, is
another face of the civilization of death.”56
Dr. Andrzej Lewandowicz
“Children are not a problem of reproductive biology, or one of many ways to
realize oneself in life. Let alone their parent’s possession. Children are a gift. Do
you understand? Children are a gift!”57
Jorge Mario Bergoglio
(AKA papa Franjo)
"To have the right to do something is not the same as to be right in doing it."
G.K. Chesterton
"Jednakopravnost"/"jednakovrijednost" i općenito istovjetnost znače i regulaciju istim skupom
zakona pa time i zagarantiranu dostupnost određenih specifičnih medicinskih usluga. LGBTTIQ
djeca (prirodni oksimoron) tako ne "nastaju" samo posvajanjem nego i "proizvodnjom" ili
"uzgajanjem" (IVF, surogatske majke58, donirana sperma ili jajašca, gay-prijatelji-"s-drugogkata"-donori-nužnog-zla-prirodnog-heterosexualnog-čina-ako-ne-samo-sjemena-u-šprici
i
59
općenito kompletno google-baby šarenilo ).
Nisu nužno dakle "spašena" iz domova. "Jednakovrijednost" i "pravo" na djecu zapravo znače
"pravo" na djecu koja su osuđena na "alternativni"/suboptimalni oblik obitelji i koja, ovisno o
zakonskoj regulativi korištene metode (npr. donori, surogati), nikada neće moći/smjeti
doznati ni identitet (a kamoli upoznati) minimalno jednog od svojih bioloških roditelja.
Neposvojena su LGBTTIQ djeca dakle namjerno odnosno svjesno dovedena na svijet iako se
unaprijed zna da će (poput posvojene djece) morati proživjeti uvijek stresan trenutak
spoznaje da im jedan ili oba (ili više?) roditelja nisu "pravi" roditelji (uz dodatak da u velikom
broju slučajeva nakon te spoznaje neće nikada moći/smjeti upoznati biološkog roditelja 60).
Valjda je dijete to koje ima pravo na roditelje a ne obrnuto61...
U ovom slučaju, "biti drugačiji" nije stvar osobnog izbora nego se nameće djetetu kroz
"drugačiju" obitelj a to nosi sa sobom rizik jer ne može se svatko s tim nositi. Nekim ljudima
nije ugodno biti "alternativan"/"poseban"/"izdvojen"...
56 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mother-horrified-to-learn-her-ivf-baby-is-not-related-to-her-after-lab-mix
57 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dont-be-afraid-to-have-more-children-pope-francis
58 https://agendaeurope.wordpress.com/2014/12/20/germany-absurd-supreme-court-decision-paves-way-for-illegal-surrogacy
http://www.dnevno.hr/magazin/lifestyle/79652-zene-u-indiji-masovno-iznajmljuju-svoje-maternice-i-drzavi-godisnjedonose-2-milijarde-dolara.html
http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/istrazivanje-izmedu-majke-i-djeteta-postoji-neraskidiva-fizicka-veza
http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/hrvatska/nino-raspudic-dijete-gej-para-nakon-18-vracat-ce-kredit-za-kupnju-samoga-sebe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_surrogacy
http://mother-surrogate.info
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/quebecs-government-health-care-will-now-fund-ivf-for-surrogates-hired-by-ga
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bobby-jindal-surrogate-motherhood-lessens-the-way-we-value-human-life
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/cija-su-djeca-koju-sam-rodila
59 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1490675
IVG https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/nightmare-british-ethicists-seriously-argue-for-4-parent-embryos-self-repro
60 Osim psiholoških to ima i (o tako dosadno naporne) biološko-medicinske posljedice: nemogućnost saznavanja identiteta
jednog od roditelja uskraćuje pojedincu polovicu znanja o vlastitom genomu
61 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-terrible-injustice-of-same-sex-marriage-my-story
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Spada (još uvijek?) u opće znanje da su općenito, kad je problematika skrbništva u pitanju,
biološki roditelji (a priori) najbolji. No to više, nakon inkluzivne LGBTTIQ revolucije, nije
popularno odnosno "politički korektno" pa ćemo (do konačnog ukidanja "oca i majke"?) imati
kontradikciju: kod dodjele skrbništva i dalje će prednost imati biološki roditelji a istovremeno
će LGBTTIQ "roditelji" biti jednako dobri kao prirodni roditelji?
"Tradicionalna"/"heteroseksualna"62 obitelj i (biološko) roditeljstvo jesu nešto što postoji
prirodno, samo od sebe, država i društvo to samo prepoznaju. S druge strane, "istovjetne" pak
"LGBTTIQ obitelji" društvo mora izmisliti a znanost umjetno podržavati da bi postale i
opstale.63
"It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself."
Thomas Jefferson
Konačno, ako dekretom i proglasimo queer ("transgresivne"/"devijantne") seksualne sklonosti
"pozitivnom varijacijom" a "istinu" subjektivnom konstrukcijom i nepoželjnim nasilnim
pojmom, priroda čini se uvijek nađe načina da postavlja neugodna homofobična pitanja.
Praktična stvarnost "djelomično biološke"/neposvojene LGBTTIQ djece znači da su "pozitivne
varijacije" uspjele naći način (i prije nego im je zakonom dozvoljeno) kako učiniti nešto čega
u prirodi uistinu nema, niti može biti: omogućiti reprodukciju poremećaja same reprodukcije
(bilo LG bilo TT tipa). Još uvijek ne razumijemo točno sve moguće uzroke i načine razvoja
LGBTTIQ (i općenito parafilnih) sklonosti a još manje (odnosno uopće) koje su moguće
posljedice ako na umjetan način omogućimo tim istim sklonostima (u slučajevima kada/ako su
"biološka datost" odnosno genetski uzrokovane) da zaobiđu mehanizam prirodne selekcije i
prenesu se na potomstvo. Naravno, ni konkretniji problemi, poput osuđenosti google-baby
djece na smanjenu mogućnost pravovremene dijagnoze i liječenja genetskih bolesti ili na
nasilno odvajanje od (surogatske) majke i nedostupnost pravog (ljudskog) majčinog mlijeka (a
kamoli poznavanje majčinih grudi) u "muškim zajednicama", LGBTTIQ aktiviste ne zanimaju
jer oni unaprijed "znaju" da problema nema i da su šarene pozitivne varijacije potpuno
jednakovrijedne (ako ne i jednakije, npr. mitovi tipa "lezbijke nikad ne zlostavljaju djecu").
"Gay is OK" je ideološka dogma u koju smo unaprijed uvjereni i jednostavno je nepristojno
dovoditi je u pitanje, uključujući i kada to čini sama priroda.
biološki roditelj postaje homofoban koncept:
"Redefining marriage from the union of a man and a woman to the union of any two persons
jettisons three foundational principles: first, the principle that children are entitled to a
relationship with both parents, second, the biological principle for determining parentage,
and third, the principle that the state recognizes parentage, but does not assign it."
"The idea of having great great grandparents, two gay men or two gay women, as the
founding members of a biological family may require more than a leap of the imagination for
descendants, notwithstanding a law that says two members of the same sex started the
family X three generations back. The question becomes "how did two homosexual people start
your ancestral family?"
"Različite obitelji – jednaka prava" –> "Jednaka djeca – različita prava"
ako brak nema veze s djecom, zasto bračna jednakost nužno povlači 'pravo na djecu'?
transmatate
62 ako i ne nužno uvijek monogamna ali uvijek s "raznospolno" definiranim odnosima...
63 http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/360900/calif-law-grants-gay-couples-fertility-coverage-alec-torres
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Novac poreznih obveznika namijenjen zdravstvu mora se početi trošiti i na trans-mamatate i
"žene koje nemaju problem neplodnosti" (emancipirane i lezbijke) inače je to degutantna
diskriminacija:
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/204334/Umjetna-oplodnja-treba-biti-i-za-plodne-zene.html
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/225914/Zakon-o-umjetnoj-oplodnji-diskriminira-lezbijke-i-neudane.html
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/204842/Zakonske-izmjene-omogucit-ce-MPO-i-lezbijkama.html
http://www.jutarnji.hr/sabor-pred-odlukom-o-umjetnoj-oplodnji--imena-donora-bit-ce-poznata/1039206
http://www.jutarnji.hr/template/article/article-print.jsp?id=1040804
http://www.tportal.hr/scitech/znanost/222321/Uspjela-sporna-umjetna-oplodnja-s-troje-roditelja.html
http://voxfeminae.net/vjestice/vijestice-list/913-novi-zakon-o-umjetnoj-oplodnji-lezbofoban-i-transfoban
http://queer.hr/23645/umjetna-oplodnja-za-transmuskarce-u-hrvatskoj-tesko
:
"pod
doslovce
deguntantnim argumentom “zaštite dobrobiti djeteta”"
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/elton-john-says-its-heartbreaking-that-son-will-grow-up-without-a-mom
http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/hrvatska/nino-raspudic-dijete-gej-para-nakon-18-vracat-ce-kredit-za-kupnjusamoga-sebe
http://thedailyfix.nfb.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/elton_john_is_a_father.jpg
http://www.anonymousus.org
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2010/06/the_spermdonor_kids_are_not_really_all_right.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/why-and-how-we-should-tackle-the-sperm-sale-industry
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/01/11034 No interest in fathers
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/should_birth_certificates_lie
http://littlecatholicbubble.blogspot.com/2013/06/should-children-sit-down-and-shut-up.html
http://www.jutarnji.hr/-za-sve-oko-nas-mi-smo-obitelj--a-jedino-drzava-tvrdi-da-ne-postojimo-/1030315
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/model-gay-adoptive-fathers-sexually-abused-6-year-old-for-years-offeredhim
http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=128&fArticleId=3171828
http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/lesbian-couple-guilty-of-gruesome-murder-1.270415
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/religious-freedom/breaking-news-high-court-judgmentsuggests-christian-beliefs-harmfulhttp://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/religious-freedom/experienced-community-paediatrician-beremoved-adoption-panel-after-c
http://www.protectmarriage.com/article/in-case-you-missed-it-la-times-op-ed-protecting-marriage-to-protectchildren
http://polyadvocacy.ca/and-what-about-the-children
* SUROGATSTVO
- http://www.cbc-network.org/2012/06/a-tale-of-eggsploitation
- indija: zakon – "repro turizam" – ako se žena predomisli oduzme joj se dijete
- "drugo stanje – poslovno stanje"
- brokeri – farme – selekcija
- gestacijska nosilica – žena maternica – prostitucija (indija ~ 8000$)
- vođenje ljubavi s čašom i romantično miješanje sperme
- farmaceutika
- baka rodila unuka
- 8 – 15% neplodnih na svijetu?
- jeremy rifkin
- nasilje nad posvojenom djecom veće -> u alter obiteljima za jednog 'roditelja' jedno je
dijete uvijek 'posvojeno'
- egipat, meštrović, dojilje
http://queer.hr/1456/iva-uumli-greti-ii-17
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50
{{D}} Posvajanje djece jest i posvajanje djece.
“It is utterly abnormal to uphold one’s ‘right’ to have a child … A child is not a
cute little doll you go out and buy on December 15.”
Hervé Jordain, homoseksualac iz Marseillea64
“My daughter says “Mommy” in a funny way, in a high-pitched voice. Although
I refer the honors immediately to her birth mom, I am flattered. But
saddened as well, because she expresses herself in a voice that is not her own.
It is her stuffed-animal voice. She expresses not only love; she also expresses
alienation. She can role-play the mother-daughter relationship, but she
cannot use her real voice, nor have the real thing.”65
Frank Ligtvoet, homoseksualac iz New Yorka,
“jedan od dvoje očeva” postvojitelja dvoje djece
"Having children is no longer about propagating the species... [it is] something
for grownups to do, a pastime, a hobby. So why not kids? Gay men need
hobbies, too. …. I've done drag. I did Barbie drag, dominatrix drag, nun drag,
and glamour drag. Now I'm going to do dad drag."
Dan Savage,
The Kid: What Happened After My Boyfriend and I Decided to Go Get Pregnant
Fraza "spašavanje iz domova" u ovom slučaju zapravo pretpostavlja i više no što želi dokazati:
• da je problem djece u domovima u nedostatku posvojitelja a koji bi se riješio ili iole
značajnije umanjio dozvoljavanjem posvajanja LGBTTIQ zajednicama
• da je za djecu u domovima, zbog prethodne točke, bolje da ih posvoji LGBTTIQ
zajednica (nego da pričekaju prirodnu obitelj).
Opet, čak i da su sve ove pretpostavke istinite (iako nije ni jedna) to i dalje ne bi povlačilo
jednakost između LGBTTIQ zajednica i tradicionalnog braka. U svakom slučaju nije baš a
priori jasno da je primjerice dobro ili bolje za 13 godišnju djevojčicu da odrasta bez majke i
na ulasku u pubertet zbunjeno gleda dva muškarca, "dva tate", kako se grle i ljube 66. Razlika u
odnosu na zakinuto djetinjstvo u domu je ta što je u domu nitko (ni skrbnici ni školska
indoktrinacija) ne bi uvjeravao u laž da je ona zapravo sretna i da su njezini skrbnici jednako
dobri kao da ima normalnu obitelj odnosno mamu i tatu (umjesto "Luku i Bornu"). U domu bi
bilo normalno da poželi "pravu" obitelj, u LGBTTIQ zajednici koja za sebe tvrdi da je "prava"
takva bi želja bila znak nezahvalne homofobičnosti (odnosno nešto novo što bi nesigurni
tinejdžer morao "skrivati u ormaru")... Ovdje je potrebno ponovo podsjetiti da LGBTTIQ
zajednice, između ostalog, uključuju i transvestite67.
64
65
66
67
http://englishmanif.blogspot.ca/2013/01/new-homovox-video-herve-jordan.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/23/opinion/sunday/the-misnomer-of-motherless-parenting.html
Ili 'obrnuto' http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/hrvatska/francuski-pravnik-odgojile-su-me-lezbijke-i-zbog-toga-patim-i-danas
http://www.nacional.hr/clanak/130082/iskorak-i-kontra-od-vlade-traze-ukidanje-diskriminacije
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Kome je stvarno do 'spašavanja' i dobrobiti djeteta 68 neće imati ništa protiv da 'prirodne'
obitelji s mamom i tatom koje žele posvojiti dijete, a kojih u pravilu ima više nego djece koju
se može posvojiti, imaju barem prednost pred 'alternativnim obiteljima' ("govor mržnje")...
Konačno, u svjetlu ortodoksnog lijevog/dekonstrukcijskog/postmodernističkog/queer
stajališta da je bolje da djecu odgaja društvo/zajednica/komuna nego "dekadentna
buržoazijska patrijarhalna nuklearna obitelj" (Wilhelm Reich, Simone de Beauvoir,
http://www.lagai.org/gaymarriage.htm...), argument LGBTTIQ aktivista o "spašavanju iz
domova" postaje licemjeran, odnosno još jedan primjer "samo međukoraka koji se takvim ne
predstavlja" (kao i npr. proizvoljne beyondmarriage.org zajednice). Ako je biologija nebitna 69,
ljubav slobodna, a "više je bolje" postaje nejasno zašto školovani društveni odgajatelji, "koji
su to postali iz ljubavi i svjesnom odlukom uz uloženi trud", ne bi bili bolji od "breedera" 70,
primitivnog koncepta "bioloških roditelja" (ugh..pa nismo životinje), izvora ograničenosti,
predrasuda i indoktrinacije i koji djecu ionako uglavnom imaju iz tradicije, nagona ili slučajno
(ili da bi ih zlostavljali71 i od države primali socijalnu pomoć)...
Ako je "rod" roditelja nebitan zašto majke/žene imaju a priori prednost pri skrbništvu u
slučaju razvoda?
snjegović patrijarhalan http://www.equityfeminism.com/articles/2000/are-snowmen-toopatriarchal
Isto tako normalizacijom ustanove za nezbrinutu djecu nesmiju razlikovati ("diskriminirati")
između "normalnih" i "alternativnih" obitelji...posvajanje postaje orijentirano na odrasle
umjesto na djecu...
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101027144946AAMBUAS
~They stipulated on their forms, in no uncertain terms~
Blond.
Blue eyed.
No genetic or other health problems.
No contact with the birth family.
Newborn.
Male.
"It was like cross enough to bear having fag parents, you don't want a poodle too."
Dan Savage kao stand up komičar @ The Moth72
Normalizacijom LGBTTIQ zajednica majčin dan i očev dan su/postaju "homofobični" i
"neinkluzivni"196 (dijete "očeva" ne smije poželjeti/pitati se o majci, dijete "majki" ne smije
poželjeti/pitati se o ocu, dijete "majki" ne smije poželjeti/pitati se o ocu197)
Gdje su prava djeteta – ako je gender confusion lifestyle OK agencije za posvajanje ne smiju
uzeti u obzir nečiju promiskuitetnost i to "alternativne vrste" i zato ga odbiti...
68 ...jer, naravno, dječja perspektiva je manje važna, preferencije i želje (proizvoljnih kombinacija) odraslih su ono što stvara
"pravo" na dijete...
69 i pravimo se da ni djeca posvojena od strane majke i oca u odrasloj dobi ne traže svoje biološke roditelje
70 http://www.queerty.com/pop-brownies-andrew-christian-gay-rom-com-two-mothers-20130215
71 "You know who else I can't stand, is them people that are anti-abortion. F_ck them, I hate them ... They're horrible, they're
hideous people. They're ugly, old, geeky, hideous men ... They just don't want nobody to have an abortion 'cause they want
you to keep spitting out kids so they can f_cking molest them." Rosanne Barr, http://prolife.ath.cx:8000/plae126.html
http://godfatherpolitics.com/1278/roseanne-barr-wants-to-execute-bankers
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/barkin-mad-actress-hopes-hurricane-kills-every-pro-life-sob-cher-hopes-akin
72 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TXRHqLCWng
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http://www.tfp.org/current-campaigns/traditional-marriage-crusade/where-children-haveno-voice-the-qrightq-of-adoption-by-homosexual-partners.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-childs-needs-should-be-paramount-inadoption/2013/06/20/d141877c-d796-11e2-b418-9dfa095e125d_story.html
kršćanin -> nema posvajanja:
http://www.1cor.com/1315/?form_1155.replyids=1350
http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/legal-and-policy/legal-updates/johns-v-derby-citycouncil
http://c4m.org.uk/downloads/localauthorities.pdf
svjedočanstva
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/quartet-of-truth-adult-children-of-gay-parents-testify-against-samesex-mar
Robert Oscar Lopez
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/07/10474
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/08/6065
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/growing-up-with-two-moms-the-untold-story
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2012/growing-up-with-two-moms-the-untold-childrens-view
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bisexual-professor-raised-by-lesbians-never-knows-whether-im-going-to-bet-k
Benjamin Anastas http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/magazine/lives-two-moms.html
Dawn Stefanowicz
http://www.dawnstefanowicz.org
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/the_sad_side_of_gay_parenting
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/02/14370
http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/hrvatska/francuski-pravnik-odgojile-su-me-lezbijke-i-zbog-toga-patim-i-danas
http://www.worldmag.com/articles/12494
http://www.washingtonblade.com/2012/05/23/that-kid-from-youtube-grows-up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EahmmQzZWXA
http://www.amazon.com/My-Two-Moms-Lessons-Strength/product -
reviews/1592407137/ref=cm_cr_dp_qt_hist_one?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0
http://www.google.com/search?
q=new+york+times+growing+up+with+two+moms&rls=com.microsoft:hr&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&startIndex=&startPage=1&rlz=
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/magazine/24KIDS.html Growing Up With Mom and
Mom
The issue for Ry wasn't sex -- it was sex with a man, which meant ''growing up and away
from my mothers,'' as she put it. They gave their consent, with love and
encouragement, but it seems to pain Ry that she felt, of her own accord, that she had
to ask at all: ''I felt a little bit like I was betraying them. Like I was leaving them
emotionally. I wasn't sure if it was O.K. with them.The issue for Ry wasn't sex -- it was
sex with a man, which meant ''growing up and away from my mothers,'' as she put it.
They gave their consent, with love and encouragement, but it seems to pain Ry that
she felt, of her own accord, that she had to ask at all: ''I felt a little bit like I was
betraying them. Like I was leaving them emotionally. I wasn't sure if it was O.K. with
them.
Rossie O'Donnell
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1201/17/pmt.01.html
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"Because no matter what, at the end of the day, every child loves their dad and their
mom."
http://www-cgi.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0207/06/lklw.00.html
http://www.tfp.org/current-campaigns/traditional-marriage-crusade/where-childrenhave-no-voice-the-qrightq-of-adoption-by-homosexual-partners.html
"Well, yes, I think, you know, it's a great thing to have a male influence. It's a perfect
thing to have a mother and father. There's nothing wrong with that at all. But the fact
that a person is gay should not prevent them from being a parent. I mean, I am just as
competent a parent as my sister, who's heterosexual, or my best friend Jackie (ph),
who's heterosexual. The fact that I'm gay doesn't at all have anything to do with
whether or not I'm able to parent.
So in our family, I think there is a loss, and to acknowledge that there isn't would be,
you know, foolish and you'd be in denial. I mean, my son has said to me, he's almost
seven, you know, "I wish we had a daddy." I said, "I understand that. I can imagine that
you would. And this is the kind of family that has two mommies because that's how
mommy got born, that I love another mommy, not a daddy." And he gets it, and he
knows that most families have a mommy and daddy and that our family is different and
that some people don't think it's right that two mommies or two daddies have children.
He knows that as well."
http://www.narth.com/docs/thekid.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kid:_What_Happened_After_My_Boyfriend_and_I_Decided_to_Go_Get_Pregnant
http://g-books.blogspot.com/2011/06/review-kid-by-dan-savage.html
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godandthemachine/2012/05/gay-activist-attacks-pope-benedict
http://www.tfp.org/current-campaigns/traditional-marriage-crusade/where-children-have-no-voice-the-qrightq-of-adoption-byhomosexual-partners.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2005/may/05053106
http://www.24sata.hr/politika/bolje-je-da-imaju-dvije-mame-ili-dva-tate-nego-da-zive-u-domu-274269 Dakle, ministar Matić
implicira da do sad nitko u Hrvatskoj ne želi posvojiti dijete, da heteroseksualni parovi nisu dovoljno dobri ili su barem manje
dobri od homoseksualnih, zbog čega djeca završavaju po domovima i nitko ih ne želi.
Vrdoljak: Do kraja mandata gay parovi posvajat će djecu http://www.vecernji.hr/komentar/433502
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/24/magazine/24KIDS.html?pagewanted=9
The issue for Ry wasn't sex -- it was sex with a man, which meant ''growing up and away from my
mothers,'' as she put it. They gave their consent, with love and encouragement, but it seems to pain Ry
that she felt, of her own accord, that she had to ask at all: ''I felt a little bit like I was betraying them. Like
I was leaving them emotionally. I wasn't sure if it was O.K. with them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stDRQInh6Fk Ask A Gay Family EP 10 Adoption VS Surrogacy
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/08/nyregion/bloomberg-to-preside-at-gay-aides-wedding.html?_r=1
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Bloomberg-Officiates-at-Wedding-of-Two-Top-City-Officials-126096123.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/25/bloomberg-gay-wedding_n_908604.html
http://americansfortruth.com/2010/06/21/labarbera-obama-gays-down-fathers-day/#more-6470
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/08/nanny-state.html
http://www.childtrends.org/files/MarriageRB602.pdf
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[R]esearch clearly demonstrates that family structure matters for children, and the family
structure that helps children the most is a family headed by two biological parents in a lowconflict marriage. Children in single-parent families, children born to unmarried mothers, and
children in step-families or cohabiting relationships face higher risks of poor outcomes. There
is thus value for children in promoting strong, stable marriages between biological parents
“[I]t is not simply the presence of two parents but the presence of two biological parents that
seems to support children’s development.
http://voices.yahoo.com/the-case-against-adoption-research-alternatives-363093.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/she-loves-abortion-but-hates-adoption
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/thousands-of-children-being-brought-up-bytheir-grandparents-8153540.html
http://booksforkidsingayfamilies.blogspot.com zašto "uvjeravanje" nije potrebno djeci iz
prirodnih obitelji – "tatamama i tatamama" se vole pa si naruče bebu ili posvoje tuđu ili se
dogovore s mamatatom i mamatatom s drugog kata da si naprave zajedničku
http://www.crol.hr/portal/zdravlje-seksualnost/psiho/4621-zato-nije-fer-usporeivati-gej-i-heteroroditelje.html
http://www.pbs.org/pov/offandrunning/adoption_fact_sheet.php
https://www.americanadoptions.com/pregnant/adoption_stats
http://www.adopta.hr/index.php/konferencija-o-posvojenju/2-konferencija-o-posvojenju/102-odrzana-2konferencija-o-posvojenju
http://www.bitno.net/vjera/slaven-letica-o-polemici-o-odrastanju-u-djecjem-domu-homoseksualnoj-obitelji
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Za usvajanje sam u gay brakovima, bolje nego da su djeca po domovima bez roditelja, no
protiv sam manipuliranja podataka pa čak i kada je u korist.
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Samo što LGBTIQxyz ideolozi ne tvrde da je gay brak ipak/bar bolji od domova nego da je
istovjetan/vrijednosno jednak heteroseksualnom braku. Drugim riječima, u potpunoj
suprotnosti sa "zdravim razumom" i biologijom (odnosno čisto evolucijskim predispozicijama
djeteta), morat će se zadovoljavati postotne kvote djece koja se daju LGBTIQ zajednicama
iako možda postoji heteroseksualna ("prirodna") obitelj koja bi udomila dotično dijete.
Prigovor 1: Razvedeni ideal#2.
Država bi po istoj logici automatski trebala oduzimati djecu samcima i razvedenima.
Odgovor:
Bitno je razlikovati 'nesretne' situacije na koje nemamo utjecaja ili ih nismo znali izbjeći i
koje kao takve ne govore o prirodi određene stvarnosti (npr. oblika obitelji) od onih koje
svjesno i/ili po prirodi svoje veze stvaramo (npr. obitelj bez oca ili majke). Djeca koja žive s
jednim od roditelja ili naizmjence kod razvedenih oca i majke još uvijek imaju jednog
biološkog roditelja kao i mogućnost ponovnog formiranja obitelji s (po)majkom i
ocem/očuhom (u nekim slučajevima s oba biološka roditelja, npr. kad se samohrana majka
ipak odluči na brak s muškarcem kojeg je samo "iskoristila" za dijete ili kad se roditelji
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pomire...). U svakom slučaju dijete u tim situacijama nije društveno prisiljeno prihvatiti
svoju situaciju kao "sretnu".
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{{E}} Na kome je težina dokaza? (iliti standardni konzervativni prigovor)
Iznad je ponuđeno nekoliko osnovnih a priori argumenata protiv ispunjenja tipičnih LGBTTIQ
zahtjeva za "jednakošću" iako nije a priori jasno zašto bih "ja" to bio dužan prvi učiniti.
Drugim riječima, s obzirom na prirodno izvorište koncepta braka kao tjelesne, emocionalne i
"duhovne" zajednice muškarca i žene iz koje nastaje obitelj i dalje društvo, kojeg su kao
takvog poznavale ili se prema njemu razvijale (npr. iz poligamije) sve poznate civilizacije,
uključujući i one koje su "poznavale" i homoseksualnost (Grčka, Rim, Japan, ...), opravdano je
smatrati da upravo oni koji žele radikalno redefinirati instituciju "staru kao svijet" moraju
podnijeti teret dokazivanja i pokazati zašto je određena promjena postojećeg stanja općenito
poželjna i/ili barem ne štetna.
Više o tome kao i o navodnoj toleranciji i pluralizmu, navodnom nepostojanju slippery slopea
i navodnom nepostojanju protuargumenata u već standardnom članku profesora Sesardića:
"Homoseksualni brak: pobjeda političke korektnosti i loših argumenata"73.
Koliko su i vremenski i financijski zahtjevne studije potrebne za primjerice izdavanje novog
lijeka ili izgradnje hidroelektrane ili naftne bušotine ili novog zakona koji regulira koliko
privatnog prostora moraju imati kokoši nesilice na farmama ali za radikalnu redefiniciju
zajednice koja oblikuje svakog pojedinca u društvu dovoljna je masa spindoktorskih parola i
glasnih "Gay is OK" parada?
(Naravno da relevantnim studijama ne smatram one koje provode otvoreno homoseksualni
APAini psiholozi/psihijatri koji već odavno imaju google-baby djecu, ne očekuje valjda itko
objektivan pristup takvih "znanstvenih" odbora...)
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Nuclear piše:
"Kao prvo, pod ljudska prava ne spada izjednačavanje bolesti sa zdravljem. To je preliberalno
shvaćanje ljudskih prava. Predobro znam što je gay-aktivizam i kamo vodi.
A izjednačavanjem prava homoseksualaca i lezbijki s pravima vezanim uz boju kože,
vjeroispovijesti i sl. je ČISTA perverzija, kao što je vrhunska perverzija proglašavanje bolešću
zdravljem i fašističkim NAMETANJEM tog mišljenja većini pod prijetnjom prekršajnih i
kaznenih prijava (primjer vjeroučiteljice u Zagrebu kojoj privatnom tužbom žele dokazati da
je na satu vjeronauka rekla da je homoseksualnost bolest).
Boja kože nije bolest, kao ni vjeroispovijest (osim nasilnih i opasnih sekti i kultova) i
narodnost. "
Tko ti šta nameće?
...
dakle takozvani "slippery slope" kojeg sam prije već spominjo. Ako dozvolimo a, to će dovesti
ka b, pa c, pa d a pošto je d nezamislivo, ne smijemo dopustiti A.
taj argument je ne valjan jer se onda ne analizira A nego se analizira d :)
...
73 http://hrcak.srce.hr/file/19027, ps. uz njegov komentar o Berkleyu dobro sjeda http://www.flickr.com/photos/reed-collegetshirts/5765767726
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no to na stranu, zapilili ste za tu zoofiliju... dakle, opet pogreška u koracima... "slippery
slope" ili ti skliski nagib. pogreška u logici kada sugovornik kaže da A vodi ka B, vodi ka C i
zato jer je C loše, A se ne smije dopustiti bez obzira na to što je A.
Nećemo o tome da negdje ljudi se udaju za samog sebe ili tome slično. Na raspravi je
homoseksualnost i ona sama po sebi
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Negiranje "nametanja" i implicitnih posljedica predstavlja dva lica iste linije razmišljanja koju
dobro utjelovljuje tipični spindoktorski slogan s progay jumbo plakata: "If you don't like gay
marriage don't get gay married". Taj se stil emocionalne argumentacije bazira na obmani da
je za "dozvolu" gay brakova potrebna samo minorna izmjena postojećeg zakonodavstva koja bi
samo maknula nekakvu iracionalnu diskriminaciju.
Dakle, slippery slope argumentacija ne predstavlja logičku grešku ako se dokaže ili
demonstrira veza između svih međukoraka (tvojih a, b, c i d). Ako A nužno ili gotovo sigurno
vodi k B onda govor o A i njegovim posljedicama koji ignorira B predstavlja u najboljem
slučaju poluistinu a u najgorem slučaju laž. Isto tako govor o B predstavlja i govor o A s
obzirom da je B posljedica A. Ako analiziraš posljedice vatre onda moraš govoriti i o dimu.
Vjerovati da je "na raspravi homoseksualnost i ona sama po sebi" krajnje je naivno, politički i
povijesno slijepo. To je vidljivo već i na prvi pogled iz (sve duljeg) popisa onih za čija se
tobože ugrožena "osnovna" prava borimo: u sve duljoj LGBTTIQQ2SA "kratici" 74 samo prva dva
slova označavaju homoseksualce ("lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans-identified, two-spirited,
intersexed, queer, questioning and allied youth"). Drugi je primjer i sama "Naomi Wats" navela
kao vrlo normalan (štoviše za nju poželjan) primjer: "obitelj na kat" odnosno dva tate i dvije
mame75 (odnosno proizvoljnost broja 2): LGBTTIQ aktivisti (u prvoj fazi) dekonstrukcije braka
uvijek govore "zašto je važan rod, zar nije samo bitno da se radi o dvije odrasle osobe" (dok ih
je u danom primjeru očito već četiri).
Uistinu nepristranom promatraču (ili tzv. "skeptiku") jasno je već iz prve dvije "a priori" točke
(potpuna normalizacija homoseksulnosti i redefinicija braka) da se ovdje otvara ako i ne baš
Pandorina kutija onda sigurno jedan prilično nejasan i nepredvidljiv prostor. Strategija je gay
aktivista, nakon što početna in-your-face i verbalno nasilna kampanja nije davala dovoljno
brze rezultate, od kraja 80-ih postala prikazati sebe kao žrtve i svoje zahtjeve (za potpunim
izjednačavanjem i normalizacijom) kao "borbu za ljudska prava", istovjetnu primjerice borbi
za jednakopravnost crnaca i žena u 60-ima. Prihvaćanje tog stava automatski zatvara sav
prostor za neslaganje ili uopće drugačije mišljenje, to bi bilo poput uvažavanja primjerice Ku
Klux Klana. Postoji nekoliko grupa primjera koji pokazuju kako ta strategija viktimizacije i
ušutkavanja izgleda u ("splippery slope") praksi:
74 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lgbtqia-the-expanding-gender-agenda
http://www.uccs.edu/~emartine/documents/april302009handouts.pdf
75 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047671/High-Court-judges-blast-gay-parents-fighting-little-sisters.html
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{{F}} Ugrožavanje tuđeg zdravlja (bolesti, darivanje krvi i organa te
raspodjela javnog novca)
"As cynical as it may seem, AIDS gives us a chance, however brief, to establish
ourselves as a victimized minority legitimately deserving of America's special
protection and care."
Marshall Kirk, Hunter Madsen @ After the Ball: How America will conquer its
fear and hatred of Gays in the 90's.
"To date [1990], nearly twice as many Americans have died of AIDS as died in
the Vietnam War."76
"Gay and bisexual men remain at the epicenter of the HIV/AIDS epidemic."
Jonathan Mermin,
director of CDC's division of HIV/AIDS prevention, 201377
Čak i medicinske odredbe, u praktički svim zemljama, koje brane donacije/uzimanje krvi od
seksualno aktivnih homoseksualnih muškaraca za gay aktiviste predstavljaju diskriminaciju i
povredu njihovih prava78. Prvo, naravno, još jedno paušalno silovanje koncepta "prava" 79 zamislite netko može imati pravo da vam nešto da i da vi to ne smijete odbiti?
Drugo, važnije, pred dogmom da je gay, uvijek, u svemu i po svemu (barem) OK moraju
ustuknuti i znanstvene činjenice i državni proračun i zdravlje drugih ljudi 80. Službeni podaci
CDC-a (američke državne agencije za kontrolu i prevenciju bolesti) kažu da homoseksualni
muškarci, iako samo mali dio ukupnog stanovništva, još uvijek svake godine čine više od pola
(61%, 2009) svih novozaraženih HIV-om u SAD-u 81. Imamo vijesti o pojavi novih HIV mutacija
otpornih na postojeće lijekove82: ključne riječi u izvještaju, naravno, San Francisco i
homoseksualci.
Postoji
razlog
zašto
se
AIDS
s
početka
zvao
GRID
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay-related_immune_deficiency) ili zašto se Kapošijev tumor
još zove i "gay rak"83.
Da je u pitanju neka druga skupina ljudi, poput na primjer ovisinka o opojnim sredstvima ili
prostitutkama, podaci slični ovima bili bi (i još uvijek jesu) sasvim dovoljni da se tu skupinu
smatra nepouzdanim i rizičnim i time nepoželjnim davateljima krvi. No, homoseksualci su,
čini se, jednakiji od drugih jer je njihov tankoćutni osjećaj dostojanstva važniji od rizika po
tuđe zdravlje (a Svjetska zdravstvena organizacija već 20 godina, unatoč svim upravo
76 http://www.amfar.org/thirty-years-of-hiv/aids-snapshots-of-an-epidemic
77 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/epidemic-1-2-of-gay-men-will-have-hiv-by-age-50-if-current-rates-continue-w
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/98834-americko-istrazivanje-pokazalo-95-posto-slucajeva-hiv-a-kod-mladihmuskaraca-povezano-s-homoseksualcima.html
78 http://www.iskorak.hr/wp-content/uploads/files/pt-prava2004.pdf str. 11
79 http://ippf.org/resource/Healthy-Happy-and-Hot-young-peoples-guide-rights + imaš pravo ne reći da imaš HIV
80 http://daleoleary.wordpress.com/2012/02/06/the-cost-of-obamas-global-initiative-fund
http://gerardnadal.com/2014/01/11/killing-gay-men-with-victimology
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/why-hiv-syphilis-and-gonorrhea-are-rising-among-homosexuals
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/mzos-obmanjuje-ucenike-u-vezi-aids-a
81 http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/fastfacts-msm-final508comp.pdf
82 http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18394-drugresistant-hiv-set-for-rapid-upsurge.html
83 http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Unsettling-re-emergence-of-gay-cancer-2497587.php
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zdravstvenim činjenicama, i dalje tvrdi gay je skroz OK). Ako AIDS nije dominantno gay
bolest84 zašto obične Google pretrage o AIDSu dominantno izbacuju rezultate s gay tematikom
i/ili zaklade za borbu protiv AIDSa koje osnivaju i vode gay aktivisti?
S obzirom da se ne radi o slučaju da nedostaje krvi pa da ljudi umiru zbog iracionalne
diskriminacije, nego baš naprotiv, "dovoljno nerizična većina" još uvijek daje dovoljno krvi pa
nema ni potrebe za objektivno rizičnom krvi (tu još treba uzeti u obzir da rizične skupine čine
samo mali dio pučanstva pa je tako i potencijalna dobit mala a istovremeno rizik velik),
postavlja se pitanje u čemu je zapravo problem? Zašto LGBTTIQ aktiviste toliko smetaju
ovakve odredbe koje im zapravo ništa praktično ne oduzimaju (radi se u konačnici o tome da
oni daju nešto drugome)? Možda je odgovor u miroljubivo tolerantnim komentarima s gay.hr
foruma85:
• "Enihau, boli me peechka, ja lažem i dajem krv, krv mi se malo osvježi a i dobijem dva
dana slobodno na poslu. To je 8 dana godišnje"
• "mozhda da je vishe ljudi iskreno bi bila josh vecha potrazhnja, pa bi mozhda silom
prilika promislili svoje zakone....hope they all bleed to death"
• "ja iako sam lezba i nisam "rizicna" kao braca pederi, svejedno im ne dam moju prljavu
homoseksualnu krv. nek iskrvare govna."
Naravno, u "javnoj propagandi" viktimizacija poprima profinjenije oblike. Tipičan je primjer
(Pulitzerom nagrađena) drama/film/serija "Angels in America" gdje homoseksualac koji boluje
od AIDSa "vapi u nebo" da otkloni od njih tu kugu koja ih ubija. Jer, naravno, nije moguće da
je nezdravo-protuprirodna uporaba (ponekad i pravo silovanje: poppers, crystal meth...)
ljudskog tijela glavni izvor kuge. Ne, problem mora biti u drugome, čak i ako je to drugo "sam
Kozmos". Ekvivalentan bi primjer bio da ja (jako) volim uživati alkohol (i "jednostavno sam
takav, ne mogu si pomoć") i istovremeno proklinjem "život" ili "Univerzum" što bolujem od
ciroze jetre i/ili senilnosti, a usput i paradiram optužujući "fašističko trijeznu seljačku" većinu
što ne izdvaja dovoljno novca za lijekove protiv ciroze jetre i senilnosti.
/*
http://queeringthecloset.blogspot.com/2011/06/queer-review-american-beauty.html "one of the most
aggressive gay propaganda films ever made"
american beauty alan ball The only normal people in the film were the gay couple next door, and typical middleclass Americans were portrayed as being depraved evildoers.
You bought into the construction of reality that Mendes is selling, and, it appears, you are unaware of it.
Mendes' very subtle, even somewhat subliminal, techniques were consciously designed to undermine and mock
the very idea that psychological norms exist and are worthy of emulation and adherence. The Marine colonel is a
caricature --- not a character that one finds in real life. The hardass colonel represents homophobia, a nonsense
word whose etymology is purely political. As an actual, diagnosable psychological syndrome, it doesn't exist.
Violence springs from homophobia in Mendes' construct, for all heterosexual men fear hidden homosexual urges,
and they lash out rather than face the truth. Sexual ambivalence and bisexuality are universal and their denial is
the source of the rotten core at the heart of every American middle-class family. For Mendes, only homosexuals
possess true authenticity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oegNxhhMra0
http://rense.com/general69/prop.htm brokeback mountain ja sam paranoidan? sigurno...poput gay aktivista
koji su vidjeli homofobiju u tome što brokeback mountain nije dobio oskara...
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/its-hazing-christian-film-stripped-of-academy-award-nomination
http://www.fizzit.net/zabava/film/4888-kako-je-hollywood-odbio-gay-poljubac-a-prihvatio-seks-u-troje-scrncima
*/
Nažalost, nevjerojatno je koliko se ta samoviktimizacijska strategija pokazala učinkovitom.
"Prosječan"/"običan" čovjek previše je zaokupljen pukim preživljavanjem da bi se sam mogao
dublje pozabaviti LGBTTIQ tematikom (a pogotovo ne postmodernističkim, queer filozofskim
bulažnjenjem dok od "inteligencije", pogotovo one crkvene, nažalost rijetko, ako ikad, može
84 a jest: http://narod.hr/zdravlje/homoseksualci-postali-ugrozenija-skupina-za-hiv-od-narkomana
85 http://www.gay.hr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4392
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čuti nešto pametno na tu temu) pa mu je u konačnici, uz svu glasnu sentimentalističku
propagandu, lakše zatomiti prirodni instinkt "da tu i nije baš sve čisto" nego da ispadne
neosjetljivi barbar.
Osobno sam, primjerice, dva puta pokušao dati krvi i oba mi je puta pozlilo nakon čega su me
lijepo zamolili da više ne dolazim, potpuno razumljivo samo po sebi. No sentimentalističkom
sam se logikom gay aktivista možda mogao naći povrijeđen, jer da što oni žele reći da sam ja
neki jado oko čije se krvi nije vrijedno potruditi, pa ja sam se takav rodio a oni me tako olako
šikaniraju...
Drugi, povezan, primjer kako gay aktivisti ugrožavaju zdravlje drugih jest više nego znatno
nerazmjerna količina novca koja se troši na istraživanje lijekova za AIDS u odnosu na druge
bolesti koje zahvaćaju veći broj ljudi i uzrokuju više smrtnih slučajeva. Ta disproporcija se
naravno nije dogodila "sama od sebe", "prirodno" ili "logikom tržišta", za istu su zaslužni prvo,
višegodišnje nasilne demonstracije radikalno-militantnih gay organizacija poput ACT-UP-a 86 a
kasnije, kad je stvar sredinom devedestih već krenula svojim tokom, jednostavno gay lobi i
liberalni političari. Npr. američki National Institute of Health je za 2012. godinu izdvojio 3,2
milijarde dolara za AIDS a 778 milijuna za rak dojke, što preračunato u dolare po smrtnim
slučajevima uzrokovanim dotičnom bolesti iznosi ~311 tisuća dolara za AIDS a ~19 tisuća
dolara za rak dojke...Naravno, od središnje je važnosti i primjetiti da je za zarazu AIDS-om
gotovo uvijek sam odgovoran pojedinac (odnosno "lifestyle" istog) dok rak dojke žena
uglavnom dobiva "ni kriva ni dužna".
http://www.fairfoundation.org/factslinks.htm
http://aras.ab.ca/articles/statistical/US_AIDS_funding_through_2010.jpg
http://www.allamericanblogger.com/2267/us-to-triple-global-funding-on-aids-increasing-to-50-billion-over-five-years
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2337613/posts
http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/74816-Government-funding-for-AIDS-v.-cancer-v.-specific-cancers
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/c2fb7574-2bbd-11db-a7e1-0000779e2340.html#axzz21Tqt6RUF
http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/cfmoney.htm
Naravno, kada netko samo iznese ovakve činjenice, instinktivna je reakcija kod mnogih ljudi
da ga smatraju neosjetljivim barbarom, primitivcem i/ili homofobom. To je opet samo
pokazatelj učinkovitosti samoviktimizacijske strategije. Uz dodatak ove zadnje rečenice
barbar postaje i pravi homofobno paranoidni teoretičar zavjera. "Problem" je samo u tome što
nije ("paranoidni barbar"), "strategiju" su razvili upravo gay aktivisti krajem 80-ih i objavili je
u knjizi "After the Ball: How America will conquer its fear and hatred of Gays in the 90's" u
kojoj, između ostalog, stoji: "As cynical as it may seem, AIDS gives us a chance, however
brief, to establish ourselves as a victimized minority legitimately deserving of America's
special protection and care".
http://www.amazon.com/After-Ball-America-Conquer-Hatred/dp/0452264987
http://www.kfia.com/blogs/mohler/1266186/print
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Kirk
http://library.gayhomeland.org/0018/EN/EN_Overhauling_Straight.htm
Larry Kramer, jedan od glavnih začetnika ACT UP-a, izjavio je: "We shouldn't face a death
sentence because of who we are or who we love" 87. Stvarno je pitanje kome je ta
(sentimentalistička)
izjava
upućena
ili
kome
uopće
može
biti
upućena..."Kozmosu"?..."Bogu"?...ili je pak heteroseksistička većina namjerno izmislila sidu i
njene mehanizme širenja88?
86 http://macalester.academia.edu/AdrienneChristiansen/Papers/693257/Comedy_as_cure_for_tragedy_ACT_UP_and_the_rh
etoric_of_AIDS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACT_UP
87 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Kramer#Health
88 http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/std-epidemic-msm-and-cdc-suffer-from-factophobia
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U istom se odjeljku navedenog članka na Wikipediji nalazi i podatak da je Larry u 66. godini,
iako boluje od side i hepatitisa B, uspio dobiti transplantaciju jetre. Predstavlja li i to primjer
"jednakog" tretmana za kojeg se zalažu gay aktivisti?
Smiju li osiguravajuće kuće pitati za spolnu orijentaciju?
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-administration-lifts-lifetime-ban-on-gay-men-donating-blood
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/07/truvada-gay-men-hiv_n_5102515.html
http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/msmpressrelease.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/astronomical-syphilis-outbreak-hitting-newfoundland-homosexuals
http://www.aidshivresearch.com/showabstract.php?pmid=7487150
http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/u-hrvatskoj-550-osoba-zarazenih-virusom-hiva/411478.aspx
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/sifilis-jos-jedna-velika-opasnost-za-homoseksualce
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/90-of-new-aids-cases-among-college-students-in-chinese-mega-city-due-tohom
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100906202907.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110502084442.htm
http://www.ordinacija.hr/zdravlje/seksualno-zdravlje/svaki-peti-homoseksualac-zarazen-je-hiv-om
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/04/070430214508.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110329134252.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/05/110509065528.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110601131618.htm
http://www.ordinacija.hr/zdravlje/seksualno-zdravlje/muski-homoseksualci-su-skloniji-karcinomu
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2040383/?tool=pmcentrez
http://www.ordinacija.hr/zdravlje/seksualno-zdravlje/homoseksualne-mlade-osobe-sklonije-su-suicidu
http://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/svijet/nova-smrtonosna-bolest-panika-medzu-gay-populacijom.html
http://conservapedia.com/Homosexuality_and_Health
http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/anotherkiller-disease-striking-homosexuals
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/svijet/155142/Protiv-HIV-a-legalizacijom-homoseksualnosti-u-Africi.html
http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/06/study-gay-lesbian-bisexual-teens-more-likely-to-engage-in-unhealthybehaviors
http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/08/cdc-hiv-infections-remain-stable-increase-among-young-black-gaybisexual-men
http://www.ilgaeurope.org/home/issues/health/external_resources_on_health/lesbian_and_bisexual_women_s_health_report_il
ga_2006
http://gayterribletruth.wordpress.com
http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/canada-lifts-ban-on-gay-men-donating-blood-must-be-abstinent-for-5-years1.1291754
http://factsaboutyouth.com/posts/male-homosexual-behavior
http://factsaboutyouth.com/posts/female-homosexual-behavior
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/zelite-li-opet-financirati-gay-pride
http://www.volokh.com/2013/12/16/brown-v-buhman-bestiality
<
There is the public health aspect.
Way back when we were all prudes, we had not-very-resistant gonorrhea and syphilis. They could be
bad, but were eventually treatable. We then increased the number of STDs by over an order of
magnitude.
Bestiality? Fine if you keep it to yourself. 200 STDs? So if the general population starts getting a really
expensive STD because of a few "patient zeros", you expect me to pay for it because they have some
kind of right to "free expression"?
Is closing bath-houses because of HIV a "free speech" issue or "public health" issue? This was a few
decades ago and was controversial. HIV takes six figures per year to treat, and no non-IV-drug using
virgin is at risk. Ought I pay for the promiscuous and reprobate?
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I have to pay for every nyphomaniac's contraception (Sandra Fluke would have mental health coverage she won't get pregnant in a locked ward with sufficient restraint and psychotropics until she is cured),
yes, it is my business. If I have to pay to treat the wreckage of irresponsibility, it is no longer "free as in
speech", but "free as in lunch, or beer".
I don't have to pay for paper, ink, or a printing press, but I now have to pay to fix all the medical
complications of irresponsible behavior?
Will you pay me to buy as many US Flags as I care to burn in public as that seems to be my right as well?
>
ps. kada se "samoviktimizacija" i igranje na empatiju poput zloćudnog tumora okrene protiv
same gay zajednice - "bug chasers": http://aids.about.com/od/safersexresources/a/barebacking.htm
http://www.dnevno.hr/magazin/lifestyle/96437-pocinio-samoubojstvo-jer-se-nije-mogao-zaraziti-hiv-om.html
Prigovor 1: Ne generaliziraj
Naravno, nisu svi homoseksualci promiskuitetni i/ili 'neodgovorni', neki žive u celibatu, no to
je ovdje manje ili čak potpuno nebitno. Na isti način na koji je nebitno i što svi heroinski
ovisnici ne žive po skvotevima i ne bodu se prljavim iglama. S obzirom da se radi o tuđem
zdravlju i životu (a to bi valjda trebao biti prvi motiv za davanje krvi) bitna je jedino
objektivna statistika, a ista je neumoljiva: seksualno aktivni homoseksualni muškarci (a o
njima se isključivo radi) vrlo su rizična skupina dok su istovremeno samo vrlo mali dio
stanovništva pa bi njihov doprinos (kada bi i bio potreban, u nekom slučaju nestašice krvi) bio
neznatan s obzirom na rizik.
Stvar je zapravo vrlo jednostavna: zamislite da ste u bolničkom krevetu i potrebna vam je krv
i daju vam da birate onu heteroseksualnog ili onu homoseksualnog porijekla, obje testirane,
koju biste izabrali?
Jesam li ja homofob ako odbijem krv za koju sumnjam da je homoseksualnog porijekla?
http://americansfortruth.com/2011/08/05/keep-the-gay-blood-ban-california-aids-flier-exposes-extreme-risksof-homosexual-sex
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/09/23/us-aids-usa-idUSTRE68M3H220100923
http://townhall.com/columnists/mattbarber/2008/01/24/mrsa_outbreak_among_gays_let_the_whitewash_begin/page/full
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Men%27s_Health_Crisis
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/black_book/diggs_letter.html
http://narth.com/docs/healthrisks.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2005/feb/05021709
http://aids.about.com/b/2009/09/03/crystal-meth-contributes-to-hiv-infection-rate.htm
http://www.emis-project.eu/sites/default/files/public/publications/emis-community2_english_4.pdf
http://aids.about.com/b/2009/08/28/gay-and-bi-sexual-men-times-more-likely-to-get-hiv-infection.htm
http://aids.about.com/od/substanceabuse/a/crystal.htm
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/catholics-defend-spanish-bishop-over-gay-lifestyle-criticism
http://www.cancernetwork.com/prostate-cancer/content/article/10165/1860201
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0055yL
http://www.drugs.com/news/number-partners-doesn-t-explain-gay-hiv-rate-9307.html
http://fumento.com/aids/specaids.html
http://www.bljesak.info/web/article.aspx?a=ec13b557-ddca-4cf1-872c-b4f350a08aaf&c=5de70792-d2d5-46488125-5206af0d3357
http://www.libchrist.com/std/facts.html
http://www.equalparenting-bc.ca/news/act-up.htm
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Prigovor 2: Blah blah, potpuno nebitno, zato postoje testovi
Istina, sva se krv testira, ali ni najnovije metode nisu 100% sigurne. Sada se HIV može
detektirati nakon nekoliko tjedana od zaraze no zahtjevi za "jednakosti" bili su jednaki i prije,
kada je taj vremenski prozor bio dulji. S obzirom da prozor i dalje postoji i da vjerojatnost
detekcije i dalje nije 100%, i dalje ostaje pitanje koja je svrha ili dobit povećavati rizik po
zdravlje drugih ljudi kao i stres/pritisak/odgovornost onih koji rade na testiranju (s obzirom
da znaju da rade s prosječno rizičnijom krvi) a možebitno i povećanim troškovima (jer bi se
npr. više krvi bacalo)? Bitno je uočiti da HIV, iako najveći, nije jedini MSM (Men who have Sex
with Men) problem. MSM seksualni čin rizičan je sam po sebi, pa čak i kad se radi o
monogamnom paru jer relativno velika vjerojatnost nastajanja lezija/ranica dovodi do
direktnog izlaganja krvotoka pojedinca "nepoželjnim tvarima" (a čak i dok ste prehlađeni neće
vam dozvoliti davanje krvi http://clinicalcenter.nih.gov/blooddonor/can_i_donate.html).
Moralni je oksimoron tražiti bilo koji oblik samopotvrđivanja u činu koji je u svojoj srži
altruističan (ili barem "reciprocitetno altruističan").
Prigovor 3: Kako god, kakve ovo zapravo veze ima s 'brakom za sve'?
i) Od LGBTTIQQ aktivista i istomišljenika često možete čuti da je "inkluzivna LGBTTIQQ
revolucija" općenito dobra za društvo u cjelini, da jednostavno predstavlja slijedeći korak u
evoluciji čovječanstva, odbacivanju još jednog sloja zaostale iracionalnosti. 89 Inzistiranje na
društvenom samopotvrđivanju i apsolutnoj javnoj normalizaciji čak i kada to znači ugrozu
tuđeg zdravlja a sve samo radi vlastite emocionalne stabilnosti predstavlja jedan od
jednostavnijih primjera koji odmah pokazuje da stvar nije baš tako čista.
ii) Kada spomenete sidu u kontekstu homoseksualnosti nerijetko dobijete inkluzivni odgovor
tipa "kretenu neobrazovani homoseksualni seks ne uzrokuje sidu". Točno (samo značajno
olakšava njeno prenošenje kao i svih ostalih spolno prenosivih bolesti) i, s obzirom na
neumoljivu statistiku, to znači da ju "uzrokuje" "životni stil". Budući da se tog istog "gay
lifestylea" LGBT aktivisti ne odriču90 i istom izlažu djecu bilo dovodeći ih na LGBT parade 91 i
festivale bilo kroz obrazovni sustav (ako ne i vlastitim roditeljstvom), automatski dolazi u
pitanje ideja potpune jednakosti i to pogotovo kad je u pitanju obitelj i odgoj djece.
89 Kao da iz jedne krajnosti, činjenice da ksenofobija, zadrtost, isključivost i iracionalne predrasude predstavljaju problem,
direktno slijedi da je rješenje u drugoj krajnosti, nekritičnom relativističkom prihvaćanju svega i nekontroliranim
iracionalnim "anything goes" "filijama"/"osobnim izborima". To je jednostavno lažna dihotomija, pravilo isključenja
trećeg vrijedi samo za binarne sudove. Jedan Europljanin sasvim normalno može biti i sretan što mu se u gradu otvorio
azijski restoran i istovremeno držati da je spolno i brojčano proizvoljan brak oksimoron jednako kao što je moguće da
jedan Amerikanac bude gay i republikanac ("Log Cabin Republicans") koji je za ratovanje po Srednjem Istoku.
90 Eventualno samo privremeno skrivaju (vidi već spomenutu knjigu Madsena i Kirka "After the ball"), a i kako bi ga se
mogli "odreći" kad je to samo još jedan "lifestyle", "inkluzivno slavljenje različitosti" no više o temi "anything goes"
relativizma kasnije. Rješenja koja nude za MSM zdravstvene probleme su obrazovanje i zaštićeni seks, ne i promjena
promiskuitetnog života (jer to je "osobni izbor").
91 http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08b/pride_week/dyke_march/index.html
http://www.dutchamsterdam.nl/218-amsterdam-gay-pride-canal-parade
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/toronto-school-trustee-called-homophobic-for-questioning-nudity-at-family-f
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iii) Ideja da će "gay brak" "izliječiti" ranjenu LGBT zajedincu/lifestyle učiniti manje
promiskuitetnim/približiti "životnoj monogamiji": statistike/brojke sklopljenih brakova u
državama gdje su legalizirani to ne potvrđuju...
http://wwwlive.who.int/bulletin/archives/79(12)1159.pdf
http://thebovine.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/aids-in-africa-more-from-medical-re-use-of-needles-than-sexualtransmission
http://vactruth.com/2011/05/02/hivaids-in-africa-caused-through-doctors-vaccinating-with-contaminatedneedles
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{{G}} Postmodernistička inqueerzicija.hr, dogma, jednoumlje i ograničavanje
slobode drugih
"You can't say that! This is a university!”92
"To konkretno znači da se o nama ima govoriti kako mi odlučimo i odredimo da treba,
a ne kako svaka heteroseljačina sebi dozvoljava."
Gordan Duhaček, manifest Zagreb Pridea u Zarezu
"...Pravni [je] tim [Iskoraka] ... malo preozbiljno shvatio svoju ulogu te je 'počeo
sumanuto dizati kaznene prijave protiv svakoga koji nešto zucne''" 93.
Dorino Manzin, bivši aktivist Iskoraka
"I am gay and I am atheist but... it seems to me that what we are doing is producing a
tyrannous new morality that is every bit as oppressive as the old."94
David Starkey
"What Huxley teaches is that in the age of advanced technology, spiritual devastation
is more likely to come from an enemy with a smiling face than from one whose
countenance exudes suspicion and hate."
Neil Postman
“In a decade, gay marriage has gone from joke to dogma. It is certainly worth asking
why, if this is a liberation movement, it should be happening now, in an age not
otherwise gaining a reputation as freedom's heyday. Since 2009, if Klarman's
estimates are correct, support for gay marriage has been increasing by 4 points a
year. Public opinion does not change this fast in free societies. Either opinion is
not changing as fast as it appears to be, or society is not as free.”95
Christopher Caldwell
92 http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/04/scenes-from-the-culture-war-front-line.php
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/their-viewpoint-kills-people-stanford-revokes-funding-for-pro-marriage-conf
93 http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/dorino-manzin-zbog-sukoba-unutar-udruge-napustio-iskorak/336389.aspx
http://www.jutarnji.hr/sukobili-se-manzin-i-bivsi-clanovi-iskoraka/169397
94 http://www.voiceofrevolution.com/2011/06/04/gay-atheist-david-starkey-we-are-producing-a-tyrannous-new-morality
95 http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.2058/article_detail.asp
http://publicreligion.org/research/2014/02/2014-lgbt-survey
usporedi s brzinom prihvaćanja rasno miješanih brakova:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States#Public_opinion
http://swampland.time.com/2013/03/28/how-gay-marriage-won "...seismic social shift — as rapid and unpredictable as
any turn in public opinion on record..."
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“Liberty, equality, fraternity, or death; - the last, much the easiest to bestow, O
Guillotine!”
Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities
"Nikada nećemo doznati u kojim su sve prilikama ljudi postupali kukavički samo iz
straha da ne bi izgledalo da nisu
dovoljno progresivni."
Charles Péguy
"I have seen such progress in an egg. In Narnia, we call it 'going bad.'"
C.S. Lewis
"Ako istospolne zajednice ne budu imale jednaka prava, to je diskriminacija, a to bi
bio korak do koncentracionih logora."96
Ivo Baldasar, gradonačelnik Splita
“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and
offended to find out that there are other views.”
William F. Buckley
"When the state has the capability to know everything except the difference between
right and wrong, it won't end well."97
Mark Steyn
“Mein Camp: Is Modern Gay Life Fascist?”98
Adrian Gillan (homoseksualac)
Tko imalo prati retoriku LGBT aktivizma znat će da ovaj tekst predstavlja govor mržnje99.
Kako i ne bi kad već i javno iznošenje npr. katoličkog nauka odnosno tzv. "naravnog zakona"
od strane svećenika u intervjuu, dakle u odgovoru na pitanje, predstavlja "govor mržnje" 100.
Primjere što sve spada u taj novi verbalni delikt, govor mržnje, lako možemo naći čitajući
96 http://www.dalmacijanews.com/Hrvatska/View/tabid/77/ID/120887/UZIVO-SPLIT-PRIDE-Baldasar-Ako-istospolnezajednice-ne-budu-imale-jednaka-prava-to-je-korak-do-konc-logora-FOTO.aspx
97 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-maniacal-mind-of-mark-steyn
98 http://www.realclearreligion.com/index_files/86b0d1385973fb2ed53839529f962f4a-430.php
https://web.archive.org/web/20090615045624/http://www.rainbownetwork.com/UserPortal/Article/Detail.aspx?
ID=21374&gnbox_cn=0&gnbox_ca=2
99 Govor mržnje kazneno je djelo u RH i zapadnom svijetu uopće.
100 http://queer.hr/38595/damir-stojic-i-mit-o-neprilagodljivosti-katolicke-crkve (nažalost dobronamjerni bloger ne razlikuje
dogmu od običnog nauka)
http://dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/106250-pocelo-je-u-kanadi-biblija-proglasena-govorom-mrznje.html
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izvještaje lokalnih LGBT udruga101. Tako možemo vidjeti da slijedeća izjava, više puta
navedena valjda kao najgori primjer, predstavlja homofobiju i govor mržnje:
• "Cijeli svemir je heteroseksualan, od atoma i najsitnije čestice, od muhe do slona. Po
zakonima fizike, jednaki naboji uvijek se odbijaju, a različiti privlače. Kada bi se
jednaki počeli privlačiti, sve bi se urušilo i nestalo. Mjesec se tada ne bi okretao oko
Zemlje, nego bi pao, Zemlja se ne bi okretala oko Sunca, nego bi pala i spržila se ili
odlutala i smrzla se."
Ta izjava može biti "ne-baš-pametna", neobrazovana102 i/ili irelevantna, ali govor mržnje?
Slijedeći je primjer, tada pravobraniteljice za djecu, još "bolji":
•
"Poštujem pravo na izbor svakog čovjeka i pojedinca i smatram da je to neotuđivo
ljudsko pravo. No kad je riječ o posvojenju djeteta, s obzirom na to da velik broj
heteroseksualnih parova čeka na posvojenje, smatram kako uvijek treba dati prioritet
njima. Opredjeljenja sam da bi posvojenje uvijek trebalo realizirati u zajednici
muškarca i žene."
Za novu LGBT misaonu policiju103 to je govor mržnje104? Ako je ovakvo kulturno i uvažavajuće
iznošenje vlastitog stava/"opredjeljenja" (o dobrobiti djece, uistinu najranjivijem dijelu
populacije) govor mržnje to samo mnogo govori o "inkluzivno tolerantnoj revoluciji".
S obzirom da "govor mržnje" predstavlja kazneno djelo oni bez saborskog imuniteta ne mogu
se samo tako izvući pa tako dalje čitamo:
•
"Dana 9. studenog 2004. zaprimili smo očitovanje koje je uputila predsjednica udruge
Teen STAR, gđa. Kristina Pavlović, opravdala stajalište svoje udruge time što smatra da
je heteroseksualni odnos vredniji od homoseksualnog, što u homoseksualnom odnosu ne
može nastati novi život, dakle dijete i zato što su djetetu potrebni i otac i majka." 105
Zbog te su izjave podignuli kaznenu prijavu protiv imenovane gospođe, "tolerantno" i
"inkluzivno" (sličan stav primjerice dijele sve najveće abrahamske vjerske zajednice, ali
naravno ne i samo one, a koje same formalno čine preko polovice cijelog čovječanstva).
Slijedeći bi primjer mogao ući u kakav udžbenik kao primjer ukidanja slobode misli
(marksističkog tipa):
•
Nadalje, Pravni tim je podnio Vijeću časti hrvatskih novinara i prijedlog za pokretanje
postupka protiv glavnog urednika Slobodne Dalmacije, Mladena Plešea, zbog
objavljivanja teksta čitatelja Branimira Lukšića pod naslovom «Homoseksualnost
potkopava obitelj», koji je objavljen 12. srpnja 2006. godine.
Primijetite, urednik je objavio mišljenje čitatelja i to u rubrici koja služi upravo tome, čista
mržnja i homofobija. Jednako kao što reći da su muškarci ženomrsci znači jednostavno izreći
samoevidentnu istinu ali istovremeno ustvrditi da su gay muškarci jednaki po tom pitanju...e
to pak zahtijeva javnu ispriku...106
101 npr. http://www.iskorak.hr/wp-content/uploads/files/pt-prava2004.pdf http://www.iskorak.hr/wp-content/uploads/files/ptprava2006.pdf
102 Naturalistička pogreška + gravitacija je, koliko za sada znamo, "isto(s)polna".
103 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-activists-aim-to-shut-down-oregon-health-food-store-over-owners-support
104 http://www.iskorak.hr/wp-content/uploads/files/pt-prava2006.pdf, str. 3, referenca na intervju Mile Jelavić u Novom Listu
(sam citat je u međuvremenu "nestao": http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/top-10-homofobicnih-trenutaka-2006godine/337608.aspx)
105 Što je dotična gospođa uistinu napisala nisam provjerio, ovo je prijenos njene izjave od strane Iskoraka i Kontre.
106 https://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/hollywood-actress-apologizes-to-gay-men-after-saying-theyre-as-misogynistic
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Obilježavanje mučeništva mladića koji su ubijeni jer su odbili pristati na seks s kraljem za
queer.hr predstavlja "krajnje homofobni kulturni običaj"107?
...
Gore navedenih nekoliko lokalnih slučajeva pravni su primjer "slippery slopea" ili "Pandorine
kutije", načina na koji gay aktivizam uvijek funkcionira a koji istovremeno uvijek negira. Prvo
se proguraju antidiskriminacijski zakon i kazneno djelo govora mržnje 108, što u pravilu ide
glatko budući da većina misli da je to samo način da se dodatno odnosno eksplicitno zaštite
građanska i ljudska prava LGBT pojedinaca (od "letećih pepeljara" i sličnog "civiliziranog"
izražavanja). Nakon toga se taj isti zakon istovremeno koristi i za ušutkavanje bilo kakvog
različitog mišljenja109 i za daljnje mijenjanje zakona 110 (da bi se na kraju i obiteljski zakon
proglasio diskriminacijskim i u proturječju s novo donesenim propisima 111). Time je naravno
izvršena obmana jer se pri lobiranju za antidiskriminacijski zakon naravno nije govorilo da će
mu to biti namjena. Također, i važnije, suptilno je izvršena redefinicija pojmova:
nezakonitost diskriminacije homoseksualca kao pojedinca prešutno se reinterpretira kao
nezakonitost diskriminacije (bilo javne ili privatne; mišlju, riječju, djelom ili propustom)
određenog ponašanja/životnog stila odnosno homoseksualnosti kao takve. Naime, to što, u
primjeru konobara, odbiti poslužiti swingera predstavlja diskriminaciju ne znači da
diskriminaciju predstavlja i konstatacija da su swingerska zajednica ili swingerski način života
manje dobro okruženje za odrastanje djeteta od "normalne" obitelji. Drugim riječima, čak i
kad se brak minimalno redefinira da uključi i homoseksualne parove on i dalje isključuje
razne "orijentacije", "životne stilove" ili slojeve društva 112 (neuračunljive, djecu, srodnike,
swingere, poliamoriste, transrodne, interspolne, pedofile, ...) a da istovremeno "većina
normalnih ljudi" neće tvrditi da je zbog toga definicija braka diskriminatorna što je još jedan
pokazatelj da proizvoljni brak nije ljudsko ni građansko pravo jer su ista po definiciji
dostupna svim (punoljetnim) osobama. Trećim riječima, ravnopravnost i jednakost spolova
pred zakonom ne znači da odvojeni javni WC-i i zabrana muškarcima da ulaze u ženske WC-e
predstavljaju segregaciju, diskriminaciju ili nejednakost. Naravno, LGBTTIQQ aktivisti
interpretiraju antidiskriminacijske zakone upravo tako 113...:
If you don't like gay marriage don't get gay married. Right.
“The Urning114 you sent me is a very curious thing. These are extremely unnatural
revelations. The paederasts are beginning to count themselves, and discover that
they are a power in the state. Only organisation was lacking, but according to this
source it apparently already exists in secret. And since they have such important
107 http://queer.hr/38412/papa-franjo-posjetit-ce-ugandu-kako-bi-izrazio-pocast-mucenicima-koji-su-odbili-gej-seks
108 Ili, ako već postoje, samo prošire da uključuju i "seksualnu orijentaciju".
109 http://oldsite.alliancedefensefund.org/userdocs/HateCrimesReport.pdf
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-activists-launch-complaint-against-teacher-who-included-homosexuality-o
110 http://www.iskorak.hr/wp-content/uploads/files/pt-prava2006.pdf
111 http://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/kontra-i-iskorak-mi-smo-trazili-ocjenu-ustavnosti-obiteljskog-zakona---311392.html
http://www.vecernji.hr/hrvatska/iskorak-i-kontra-traze-ocjenu-ustavnosti-obiteljskog-zakona-366357
http://www.iskorak.hr/wp-content/uploads/files/pt-prava2011.pdf
112 Što je direktna posljedica bilo kakve iole smislene definicije braka: čim brak nije "bilo što" automatski je nešto odnosno
definirano je što jest brak a što nije.
113 Kratak osvrt na iskustva tolerantnog Zapada: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbc5eAH8ZKw.
114 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranian
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men in all the old parties and even in the new ones, from Rosing to Schweitzer, they
cannot fail to triumph. Guerre aux cons, paix aus trous-de-cul [war on the cunts,
peace to the arse-holes] will now be the slogan. It is a bit of luck that we,
personally, are too old to have to fear that, when this party wins, we shall have to
pay physical tribute to the victors. But the younger generation! Incidentally it is only
in Germany that a fellow like this can possibly come forward, convert this smut into
a theory, and offer the invitation: introite [enter], etc. Unfortunately, he has not
yet got up the courage to acknowledge publicly that he is ‘that way’, and must still
operate coram publico ‘from the front’, if not ‘going in from the front’ as he once
said by mistake. But just wait until the new North German Penal Code recognises the
droits du cul [rights of the arse-hole] then he will operate quite differently.”
Friedrich Engels u pismu Karlu Marxu @ 1869.115
“They are only 1.5 percent of the population, a proportion that justifies about 10
MPs in total, yet there seem to be hundreds of them, all in important positions and
giving each other favors.”
“That is a violation of democracy.”116
Julia Gasper (engleska političarka) @ 2014
“I believe the burden on religious people that will be caused by granting gay people
full equality will be justified . . . That is because I believe granting liberty to gay
people advances a compelling government interest, that such an interest cannot be
adequately advanced if “pockets of resistance” to a societal statement of equality
are permitted to flourish, and hence that a law that permits no individual
exceptions based on religious beliefs will be the least restrictive means of
achieving the goal of liberty for gay people.”117
Chai R. Feldblum,
profesorica prava @ Georgetown,
član američke Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
Prije više od 10 godina Švedska je donijela jedan takav zakon (prema kojem se ne smije reći
ni da je homoseksualnost neprirodna). Iduće je godine na mjesec dana zatvora osuđen
pentakostalni svećenik Åke Green zbog "anti gay" propovijedi u crkvi118.
Zbog pastoralnog pisma (vjernicima svoje biskupije) u kojem objašnjava da se političar ne
može istovremeno i izjašnjavati kao katolik i primjerice podržavati pobačaj i istospolne
brakove, kanadskom je katoličkom biskupu Fredericku Henryu državna porezna služba
115 http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1869/letters/69_06_22.htm
E(ro)tika i sloboda: odgoj na tragu Marxa
http://books.google.hr/books?id=KpeAqZy0b4gC&pg=PA60&lpg=PA60&dq=hegel+i+negacija&source=bl&ots=RVSmEHq2at&sig=u7JZYZtiqc56YCqZLn2ZXcXh4U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Z2cdVKLRCMO7ygO4sILADA&ved=0CGUQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=hegel%20i%20negacija&f=false
116 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/homosexuals-vastly-overrepresented-in-parliament-distorting-democracy-engli
117 http://www.riformarriage.com/site/796
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaSQpEA8e8k ~12:00
118 http://www.akegreen.org
http://www.religiontoday.com/columnists/al-mohler/criminalizing-christianity-swedens-hate-speech-law-1277601.html
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zaprijetila oduzimanjem statusa oslobođenja od poreza za njegovu biskupiju 119. Zbog sličnog
su "anti gay" napisa u novinama protiv njega podignute i dvije privatne tužbe pred lokalnom
komisijom za ljudska prava120.
Zbog objavljenog "anti gay" pisma uredniku jednih kanadskih novina, protestantskog je
svećenika Stephena Boissoina gore spomenuta komisija kaznila sa 7000$, zabranom bilo kakvih
budućih javnih "negativnih" komentara o homoseksualcima i naredbom da mora objaviti javnu
ispriku (t.j. odreći se vlastitog stava i vjere)121 preko spomenutih novina.
Obamina se administracija "oštro protivi" prijedlogu zakona koji bi zaštitio vojne kapelane od
prisile da moraju vršiti istospolne brakove i diskriminacije ako to uistinu i odbiju učiniti 122
(istovremeno ista administracija nema problema sa "sodomijom pod tuševima" u ratnim
zonama ili službenim sudjelovanjem aktivnih vojnika na gay paradama, marširanjem u
čizmama, gaćama i, eventualno, kapi).
U Kanzasu je na lokalnoj razini nedavno predložena "antidiskriminacijska" regulativa prema
kojoj ni crkve ne smiju odbiti iznajmiti svoje prostorije za sklapanje i proslave istospolnih
brakova123.
Opet s ove strane bare, demokratski izabran talijanski političar, Rocco Buttiglione, nije
prihvaćen u Europsku komisiju kao talijanski predstavnik jer, kao praktični katolik, o obitelji
pa tako i homoseksualnosti ima stavove koji ne pašu europskim liberalima 124. To što u to doba
(a niti danas) većina zemalja Europske unije nije prepoznavala homoseksualne brakove (pa
time Buttiglione s demokratskog stajališta nije predstavljao neku šokantnu crnu ovcu)
orwelovskoj EU birokraciji nije ništa značilo jer očito Nepostojećimbogomdani Veliki Inkluzivni
Ideolozi znaju bolje od demosa. Neka cvjeta stotinu cvjetova, samo ako su propisane
purpurne nijanse.
...
Izjave i postupci neoprosvijećenih apsolutista u nekoliko gore spomenutih slučajeva obznanili
su nam da biti (npr) "katolik izvan ormara" znači biti barem "ekstreman" i "kontroverzan" ako
ne i jednostavno "ekstremistički fundamendalistički vjerski fanatik" 125. Uz takvo rezanje
slobode mišljenja i ograničavanje vjerskih sloboda za očekivati je samo još gore primjere u
svakodnevnoj praksi "malog čovjeka". Zamislite recimo par tradicionalnih/konzervativnih
(čitaj natražnih/zaostalih) umirovljenika koji imaju prenoćište (bed & breakfast) i koji
oduvijek imaju jasno istaknuto pravilo da sobe s bračnim krevetom iznajmljuju samo bračnim
parovima i koji tako odbiju iznajmiti sobu s bračnim krevetom gay paru nakon čega ih gay par
tuži i sud osudi za diskriminaciju. Homofobna paranoja, toga nema jel' da? Osim što ima 126.
Jednako kao što, nakon izmišljenog prava na redefiniciju braka i izmišljenog prava na dijete,
na red dolazi izmišljeno pravo muškaraca da koriste ženske javne WC-e i 'dužnost' šareno-
119 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/more-details-released-in-revenue-canada-threat-to-calgary-bishop-henry +
http://deborahgyapong.blogspot.com/2010/02/revenue-canada-is-way-out-of-line-says.html
120 http://humanrightscommissions.ca/index.php/examples/75-examples-of-hrc-infringement-of-fundamental-freedoms
121 http://archive.egale.ca/index.asp?lang=E&menu=12&item=1245
http://ezralevant.com/2008/06/what-could-mark-steyns-punishm.html
122 http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2012/05/17/obama-wh-demands-military-chaplains-perform-same-sex-marriages
123 http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/proposed-kansas-rule-may-force-churches-to-host-same-sex-ceremonies
124 http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2005/mrose_churchandeu_feb05.asp
125 http://queer.hr/38783/prilog-u-dnevniku-htv-a-otvorio-pitanje-drustvenog-vrednovanja-referenduma-o-braku
126 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-12214368
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/sexual-orientation/christian-guesthouse-owners-ordered-to-paycompensation
primjer iz Velike Britanije koja još nema homoseksualne brakove nego samo civilne zajednice ali suci kažu da je to
ekvivalentno braku u ovom kontekstu...
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/judge-rules-against-christian-innkeeper-who-refused-to-rent-bedroom-to-lesb
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totalitarne države da uhodi klerike koji se ta izmišljena prava u propovijedima usude dovesti
u pitanje127.
Pravo na proizvoljnu redefiniciju braka
? vs ?
Pravo ne biti državnim aparatima prisiljeni na gaženje vlastitog razuma
Sličnu sudbinu dijele i sva zanimanja povezana s brakom i/ili obredima i formalnostima
vezanim uz njega:
• ako ste primjerice državni službenik zadužen za ceremonije građanskog braka 128, a to
ste postali davno niti ne sanjajući da će se definicija braka jednog dana promijeniti
tako da ćete brakom morati nazivati i zajednice partnera A i partnera B, te pokušate
uložiti prigovor savjesti da vas se izuzme od 'svečanog blagoslivljanja' "gay brakova"
dobit ćete otkaz zbog diskriminacije (iako postoji drugi službenik koji bi ceremoniju
obavio umjesto vas)129
• ako ste državni službenik na upravljačkom mjestu možete biti prisiljeni na proslavu
LGBTIQ dana/tjedna/mjeseca130
• ako imate privatni obrt koji je na bilo koji način povezan s ceremonijom braka, npr.
imate tiskaru, iznajmljujete prostore, opremu ili ste fotograf, slastičar, cvjećar,
ugostitelj, glazbenik, ... i odbijete tu uslugu za proslavu LGBTTIQQ braka bit ćete
izvedeni pred sud i morat ćete platiti globu za diskriminaciju 131
127 https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/houston-mayor-backs-away-from-demand-that-pastors-turn-over-their-sermons-o
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lesbian-mayor-who-subpoenaed-houston-pastors-sermons-seeks-to-deny-them-a-j
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/scottish-monk-arrested-for-distributing-leaflets-promoting-sexual-morality
128 npr. matičar, "registrar", "justice of the peace"...
129 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/french-mayor-faces-jail-time-refusing-conduct-gay-couple-wedding-article1.1383456
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/grbin-maticari-su-drzavni-sluzbenici-koji-imaju-obvezu-provoditi-zakone-nemaju-pravo-napriziv-savjesti
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/8557966.stm
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/equality/christian-magistrate-loses-conscience-case
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/religious-freedom/registrar-demoted-because-her-faith-talks-islingtonborough-council
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ontario-christian-minister-forced-to-conduct-same-sex-marriages-or-get-sack
Consider Massachusetts - 2004: Justices of the peace who refused to preside over gay unions due to moral or religious
objections were summarily fired for discrimination.
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/equality/christian-magistrate-loses-conscience-case
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/religious-freedom/registrar-demoted-because-her-faith-talks-islingtonborough-council
http://www.christianconcern.com/gary-mcfarlane
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cal.-clerk-sues-to-block-order-forcing-him-to-issue-marriage-certificates-t
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21293540
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/six-north-carolina-judges-quit-after-gay-marriage-legalized
http://www.crol.hr/index.php/vijesti/6399-uk-raste-broj-posvajanja-u-istospolne-obitelji
130 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/justice-department-employees-must-affirm-homosexuality
131 http://blog.speakupmovement.org/church/religious-freedom/new-mexico-photographer-found-guilty-of-discrimination-arechurches-next
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/backlash-mounts-against-the-supreme-courts-refusal-to-hear-christian-photog
http://www.europeandignitywatch.org/reports/detail/article/principle-of-equality-to-overrule-fundamental-freedoms.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/elderly-christian-florist-files-countersuit-over-refusing-to-participate-in
http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/Home/ADFContent?cid=4593
http://blogs.westword.com/cafesociety/2012/07/masterpiece_cakeshop_refuses_to_bake_a_wedding_cake_for_gay_coupl
e.php
http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/neces-napraviti-tortu-za-gay-vjencanje-kazna-od-50-tisuca-dolara
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/elderly-christian-florist-faces-thousands-in-fines-for-refusing-to-provide
http://blog.heritage.org/2014/02/28/questions-youre-asking-cakes-gays-religious-freedom
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ako ste liječnik nemate pravo na prigovor savjesti ako lezbijka od vas zatraži da je
umjetno oplodite132
•
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2013/9/special-protections-shouldnt-trump-basicliberties
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/northamptonshire/8170990.stm
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/family/experienced-community-paediatriciandismissed-adoption-panel-over-christian-view
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/northamptonshire/8170990.stm
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/sexual-orientation/judge-says-catholic-care-mustchange-policy-on-same-sex-couples
•
•
•
...
U svakom ćete slučaju možda biti prisiljeni i na tzv. "sensitivity training" 133 gdje će vas
progresivno liberalna država naučiti da je gay OK134. Pred prisilnom uniformizacijom mišljenja
postmoderne inkvizicije ne samo da nisu zaštićene ni crkve i vjerske i dobrotvorne ustanove 135
•
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/christian-baker-must-make-wedding-bakes-for-gay-couples-court-rules
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-couple-fined-13000-for-refusing-to-host-same-sex-wedding-at-their
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/christian-bakers-fined-up-to-150000-for-refusing-to-bake-same-sex-wedding-c
132 http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/doctors-can-t-deny-service-to-gay-patients-california-court-rules-1.745635
133 http://abcnews.go.com/US/georgia-student-sues-university-lgbt-sensitivity-training/story?id=11261490
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/17/gay-activists-seek-approval-govt-training
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1360797/Entire-U-S-Army-receive-gay-sensitivity-training-end-summer.html
134 Totalitarno ortodoksni marksizam i thought police
135 http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/social/will-young-christians-who-share-marriage-views-should-be-jailed
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-wuerl-gay-couples-attempts-to-fire-priest-are-39totalitarian39
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/canadian-gvmt-halts-overseas-funding-to-christian-group-over-beliefs-on-hom
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/wicca_raelism_animism_christianity
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/premier-defends-gay-straight-alliance-in-catholic-schools-1.833011
"Not long ago, two women filed a complaint in NJ because they were denied use of a Methodist pavilion for their
ceremony. The ministry refused to rent it because it is a religious structure, and gay unions are not recognized in the United
Methodist Church Book of Discipline. New Jersey revoked its tax-free status."
The Knights of Columbus were fined because they refused to rent their hall for a lesbian wedding reception
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2005/nov/05113006
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2005/dec/051202a
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=14142
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-franciscan-u-of-steubenville-faces-sanction-for-teaching-homosexua
http://h-alter.org/vijesti/ljudska-prava/prava-istosponih-parova-iznad-vjerskih-uvjerenja
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2010/jan/10012102
http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF07I18.pdf
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/catholics-defend-spanish-bishop-over-gay-lifestyle-criticism
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2007/08/08/ymca-family-membership-dispute-not-resolved
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/religious-freedom/british-government-christians-should-leave-faith-at-thedoor-or-get-a
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/video-brazilian-politicians-seeking-to-outlaw-39homophobic39-speech-warn-ev
http://www.christianconcern.com/blog/lies-cover-ups-and-more-lies
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/weeks-after-gay-marriage-passes-new-zealand-family-group-stripped-of-charit
http://www.christianconcern.com/blog/c-of-e-at-its-best
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/threats-to-religious-freedom-in-europe
http://h-alter.org/vijesti/ljudska-prava/prava-istosponih-parova-iznad-vjerskih-uvjerenja
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/judge-orders-catholic-school-board-to-face-tribunal-over-firing-of-transgen
http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/congress-astonished-by-military-smear-of-christians
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-york-city-mayor-to-skip-st.-patricks-day-parade-over-ban-on-pro-gay-sig
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/spanish-homosexualists-launch-criminal-complaint-against-cardinal-elect
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-high-school-keeps-lesbian-drama-coach-about-to-marry-after-dismiss
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/scottish-school-chaplain-removed-after-facebook-post-expounding-christian-t
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/not-flexible-yukon-education-minister-resolute-on-barring-catholic-teaching
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/if-you-like-your-religion-you-can-keep-your-religion...unless-youre-catholi
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bishop-obeys-govt-order-to-remove-catholic-school-teaching-on-sinfulness-of
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-student-files-human-rights-suit-against-catholic-school-alleges-pattern
http://thefederalist.com/2014/02/28/dumb-uneducated-and-eager-to-deceive-media-coverage-of-religious-liberty-in-anutshell
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ili sama sloboda mišljenja u obrazovnom sustavu 136 nego čak ni ikone samog LGBTTIQQ
pokreta koje se usude progovoriti i o ponekoj "sivoj" temi137.
S obzirom na prepotentni "sviđalo se to vama ili ne"/"f..k you" ponos veselo i doslovno
uzdignutog aktivističkog srednjeg prsta 138, smije li još itko biti iznenađen otvorenim pozivom
LGBTTIQQ aktivista za ukidanjem slobode javnog mišljenja čak i u zadrtoj Hrvatskoj: "Mi smo
tražili da se anti-gay prosvjedi u Zagrebu zabrane..." 139 (uvijek treba imati na umu da hod s
transparentom "dijete ima pravo na oca i majku" predstavlja "anti gay" prosvjed).
Uz represivno zakonodavstvo i glasnu propagandu, verbalni linč, laži, difamacija i novinarska
(auto)cenzura slijede same po sebi:
• "Murray is director of religion, faith and values at GLAAD, the Gay & Lesbian Alliance
Against Defamation. This is a gay activist organization which would better be called the
Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Disagreement, glaringly demonstrated in their petition
earlier this year which called on CNN to stop inviting “anti-gay” guests on their
network to offer opposing viewpoints. (Yes, this is the voice of “inclusion,”
“tolerance,” “equality,” and “diversity.”)"140
• Kada primjerice u "Nedjeljom u 2" u goste dođe Zdravko Tomac 141 ili Ivo Banac142
Aleksandar Stanković će se maksimalno potruditi da dovede u pitanje svako njihovo
prikazivanje crkve ili vjere u iole pozitivnom svjetlu. S druge strane, kada u emisiju
dođe Franko Dota143, predsjednik udruge Iskorak, i kaže stvari tipa "ja sam gay i točka"
ili da u populaciji ima "10 ili čak 12 posto LGBT osoba" to je dogmatski i bespogovorno
prihvaćeno bez i najbezazlenijeg podpitanja kao samoevidentna istina unatoč tome što
i običan pogled oko sebe ili jednostavna internetska pretraga vrlo brzo ukazuje na
upitnost ako ne i dubioznost takvih tvrdnji.
• Vesna Pusić može nesmetano provaliti da regulacija pobačaja predstavlja "miješanje
ljudima u krevet" (!?) ili Ranko Ostojić da napredni zakoni uvažavaju da za neke "život
počinje prvim plačem"144 (!?!) ali kad neki saborski 'konzervativni probisvijet' provali
"cijeli svemir je heteroseksualan" onda Nenad Stazić bez problema poziva na javno
ismijavanje takvih izjava.
http://www.americanbar.org/content/dam/aba/publications/supreme_court_preview/briefs-v2/12-144-12307_becket_fund.authcheckdam.pdf
136 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/student-sues-school-over-punishment-for-stating-religious-objection-to-gay
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/religious-freedom/christian-teacher-facing-sack-expressing-christianbeliefs-homosexual
http://www.christianconcern.com/blog/you-couldn%E2%80%99t-make-it-up
137 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Kramer#Faggots
http://www.dnevno.hr/vjera/vjera-i-kultura/71743-homofob-godine-rupert-everett.html
http://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/svijet/michelle-obamu-izivcirala-aktivistica-pa-joj-se-unijela-u-lice-i-izvikala-je---289422.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/toronto-school-trustee-called-homophobic-for-questioning-nudity-at-family-f
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/homosexual-activists-aim-to-destroy-the-family-impose-totalitarianism-gay-p
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/prominent-liberal-blogger-brought-into-line-by-homosexual-lobby-for-contrar
http://thefederalist.com/2014/02/27/an-open-letter-to-alec-baldwin http://www.vulture.com/2014/02/alec-baldwin-goodbye-public-life.html
138 http://www.h-alter.org/vijesti/mediji/fuck-you-za-otvoreno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaSQpEA8e8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55cG7EytB7M
139 http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Mozaik/tabid/80/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/137190/Default.aspx
140 http://www.voiceofrevolution.com/2011/11/02/a-gay-activist-butchers-the-bible
141 Obraćeni komunist i ateist (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKWR3i9zajU).
142 Koji je otvoreno "pro-gay" i u svakom slučaju nije konzervativac ili desničar ali nekim čudom nije zaražen tipičnim
progresivnim krajnjim animozitetom prema RKC.
143 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLs53-7Hsg4
144 http://danas.net.hr/intervju-tjedna/liste-cekanja-planiramo-rijesiti-do-lipnja
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EAscfwtlyfA
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index.hr prikriva (gay) pedofiliju145
•
tportal.hr daje platformu (gay) pedofiliji146
•
jutarnji.hr prvo prikriva (zajedno sa svim ostalim "liberalnim" medijima) pa onda
odobrava nasilje nad "crkvenim" aktivistima 147
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"homofobija" i "vjerski fundamentalizam" postaju bolesti koje treba liječiti 148
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4JxAturj6E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3E8QR5_fME
Vigilare Stazić
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/87787-munizaba-i-sprajc-isprovocirali-pretplatnike-neka-kazuda-su-svi-katolici-homofobi-bit-ce-nam-jasnije.html
kad
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/25/slovenian-referendum-unexpectedly-rejects-rights-forsame-sex-couples na hrt dnevnik samo homo predstavnik
http://blog.heritage.org/2014/04/03/eich-tolerance
...
Inkluzivnu Represiju Velikog Brata čini se da predvode Kanada i Velika Britanija. Tako od
nedavno u zatvoru možete završiti i zbog "one-liner" "homofobnih" komentara na Twitteru 149, a
za britansku je vladu dovoljno da ste musliman i držite da je homoseksualnost grešna da vas
smatra potencijalnim teroristom150. Ako radite u "politički korektnoj državnoj tvrtki" i usudite
se, pa čak i u slobodno vrijeme, i na najblaži način nesložiti s "napretkom gay prava" "pred
svoje će vas sinagoge izvoditi" i opominjati, suspendirati, dijeliti otkaze, smanjivati plaće,
prebacivati na niže rangirana radna mjesta, ... 151 Ne zaboravite, Tolerantna Država vas uvijek
vidi152. Praktičnu apsurdnost "hate speech" zakona dobro sumarizira apel Rowana Atkinsona za
zdravim razumom153. Kanada već ima prototipne implementacije Misaone Policije koje se, u
pravoj maniri novogovora, službeno zovu Komisije za ljudska prava. Službeno izuzete iz
pravosudnog sustava, bez koncepta istine kao kriterija krivnje te uz potpuno financiranje
tužitelja ("uvrijeđene strane") novcem poreznih obveznika bez obzira na ishod, iste
145 http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/reisman-radili-ste-s-pedofilom-stulhofer-nikad-ne-bih-radio-sasumnjivcima/660147.aspx: "ono što "zna" Reisman - ne zna Google" kao bezočno "farbanje" jer Google pretraga brzo
otkriva Sandforda
146 http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/hrvatska/t-portal-obznanio-ispriku-zbog-skandaloznog-intervjua-u-kojem-se-zagovarajuseksualni-odnosi-odraslih-i-djece
147 http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/87036-pankerice-napale-stand-na-cvjetnom-a-jutarnji-pise-da-su-gradani-to-gledalis-odobravanjem.html
http://hho.hr/izjava-br-82013-o-pravu-na-referendum
148 http://www.hkv.hr/izdvojeno/komentari/mm/15363-jesu-li-mozda-oni-koji-nam-govore-da-smo-za-ludnicu-zapravo-upravu.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/93091-vjernici-nisu-manje-inteligentni-i-prema-toj-bioloskoj-osobini-ne-trebadiskriminirati-ljude.html
149 http://www.dailydot.com/news/tom-daley-welsh-soccer-player-twitter-arrest
150 http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/feb/17/counterterrorism-strategy-muslims
151 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/christian-demoted-pay-docked-for-mild-comments-on-gay-marriage-in-churches
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/religious-freedom/homeless-charity-suspends-christian-answeringquestions-about-his-fai
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/u.s.-street-preacher-arrested-in-london-for-using-homophobic-language
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/19/facebook-chat-adrian-smith-fired-gay-marriage_n_1987243.html
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/social/bus-driver-faces-disciplinary-action-over-marriage-petition
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/christian-doctor-appointed-to-drug-panel-under-attack-for-views-on-homosexu (uz
naravno "inkluzivnu" stranu priče: http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2011/01/23/dr-hans-christian-raabe-homophobicscum-gets-job-dictating-drug-policy)
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/air-force-sergeant-claims-he-was-fired-for-refusing-to-endorse-gay-marriage
152 http://www.infowars.com/hate-crime-reporting-act-a-dangerous-threat-to-free-speech
153 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mr.-bean-star-calls-for-repeal-of-british-hate-speech-law
http://www.valuesvoternews.com/2009/03/mr-bean-wants-protection-of-free-speech.html
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predstavljaju idealno oružje za istrebljenje "nepoćudnog mišljenja". 154 I bi čudo:
http://queer.hr/25363/oh-canada-raj-za-lgbt155. U SAD-u takvo automatsko i nesmetano
utjelovljenje Velikog Brata i Ministarstva Istine na razini države priječi ustavom snažno
zaštićena sloboda govora, no zato se ista, osim uobičajenim putem "antidiskriminacijskih"
zakona, zaobilazi i javnim linčem. Dobar nedavni primjer te prakse predstavlja nacionalna
"Chick-fil-a histerija" izazvana izjavom vlasnika Chick-fil-a (popularnog lanca restorana brze
hrane u SAD-u) za jedne vjerske novine da je on za "biblijsku definiciju" braka nakon čega je
"otkirveno" i da je dobrotvorni ogranak/organizacija Chick-fil-a-a donirala i "homofobnim
antigay organizacijama" (pogađate, naravno, da su u pitanju jednostavno udruge koje se bore
za prirodnu obitelj i pravo djeteta na oca i majku). To je uzrokovalo medijsko zgražanje te
demostracije pred i u Chick-fil-a restoranima pa čak i vandalizaciju restorana i maltretiranje
zaposlenika dok su gradonačelnici nekih "naprednih" gradova poput Bostona, Chicaga, San
Francisca ili New Yorka zaprijetili da će spriječiti otvaranje novih podružnica homofobnog
Chick-fil-a u svojim "inkluzivnim" gradovima (a što je samo po sebi protuzakonito/izvan
njihovih ovlasti i vrlo "inkluzivno" dakako) 156.
Znakovit je i način na koji se rodna ideologija i nova inkluzivna prava uvode: ako je ikako
moguće skraćenim nedemokratskim putem157 (uz dodatan bonus ako je i financirano javnim
154 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Human_Rights_Commission_free_speech_controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Canada
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/supreme-court-muzzles-free-speech-in-canada-crushes-born-again-christian-ac
http://www.campaignlifecoalition.com/shared/media/editor/file/Persecution_of_Christians-SSM_revJun28-2013.pdf
http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=8600
http://ezralevant.com/2008/06/bishop-fred-henry-mauls-premie.html
http://ezralevant.com/2008/11/the-jewish-exemption-section-1.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2008/may/08053006
http://www.campaignlifecoalition.com/shared/media/editor/file/PersecutionOfChristians(1).pdf
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Was+that+fastest+or+fascist%3f-a0130564524
http://votelifecanada.blogspot.com/2008/01/mother-of-all-human-rights-battles.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2005/dec/05120801
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/manitoba-students-face-consequences-for-defying-pro-gay-code-of-conduct
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkvAIMrNnqA
http://www.wnd.com/2007/11/44701 Party leader in hot water over WND story
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/justin-trudeau-at-secondary-school-catholic-opposition-to-gay-straight-alli
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/great-day-for-freedom-senate-axes-section-13-hate-crime-provision
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ontario-gvmt-seizes-seven-children-from-jewish-sect-kids-launch-hunger-stri
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/quebec-gvmt.-promotes-sacredness-of-charter-banning-religious-symbols-in-2m
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-american-pro-family-activist-labarbera-arrested-in-canada
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/03/28/barbara-kay-university-campuses-are-bastions-of-censorship
155 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/montreal-touted-as-the-sex-tourism-capital-of-north-america
http://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/the-21st-century-gestapo-fringe-extremists-in-the-homosexual-movement
http://dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/106250-pocelo-je-u-kanadi-biblija-proglasena-govorom-mrznje.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/teachers-union-calls-for-investigation-into-toronto-trustee-who-criticized
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/media-targeting-pro-family-pastor-on-harpers-trip-to-israel
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2015/totalitarianism-sex-marriage
156 http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/08/chick-fil-a-kiss-hate-graffiti-vandalized.html
http://www.advocate.com/business/2012/07/27/roseanne-apologizes-too-strongly-worded-tweet-against-chick-fil
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/homosexual-activists-demand-removal-of-chick-fil-a-from-college-campuses
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/sexual-orientation/us-university-votes-to-ban-fast-food-chain-for-marriagesupport
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/01/chick-fil-a-anti-gay-controversy-employees-speak-out_n_1729968.html?
utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/30/chick-fil-a-brand-approval-rating-anti-gay-controversy_n_1719359.html?
utm_hp_ref=gay-voices#slide=1152911
http://uk.reuters.com/video/2012/08/04/chick-fil-a-faces-kiss-in-protest-in-gay?videoId=236856777
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/true-marriage-supporters-not-welcome-in-new-york-councilman
157 http://www.christianconcern.com/blog/the-attempt-to-impose-same-sex-marriage
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/11/7213
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-appointed-judges-ruling-in-utah-could-overturn-every-state-marriage-p
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novcem158).
To
je
naročito
lako
u
državama
s
običajnim
pravom
(anglosaksonski/Commonwealth svijet) gdje se sudskim aktivizmom 159 uvode radikalne
reinterpretacije ustava i/ili postojećih zakona da bi se primjerice prisililo zakonodavnu i/ili
izvršnu vlast da prepoznaju/uvedu/praktično ozakone istospolni brak, a sve bez provjere volje
birača ili bar parlamentarne rasprave160. U drugim slučajevima imamo prototipove svjetske
nadvlade poput Europske komisije ili UN(ICEF)-a koji, odgovorni "sami sebi", propisuju
narodima i zakonodavstvima što je "napredno" i "OK" 161. Prema takvim se smjernicama,
primjerice, upravo u natražnoj Hrvatskoj mimo svih propisa u škole uvodi "zdravstveni" odgoj
koji rodnu ideologiju i dogme seksualne revolucije smatra dijelom ljudskog "zdravlja" (i
naravno inkluzivno isključuje mogućnost izbora162).
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-trumps-the-states-on-same-sex-marriage-allows-couples-to-file-regardl
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/judge-orders-renegade-clerk-to-stop-issuing-gay-marriage-licenses-pa-pro-li
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2442206/David-Cameron-I-expected-gay-marriage-cause-uproar.html
http://massresistance.org/docs/gen2/14a/Utah-marriage-ruling/index.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-admin.-announces-it-will-recognize-utah-gay-marriages-after-state-say
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/usa-today-obamas-contraception-mandate-foolish-suspect
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/three-more-counties-to-begin-issuing-same-sex-marriage-licenses-before-lega
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2014/eu/eu-research-commissioner-arrogantly-disrespects-successful-citizensinitiative
http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/francuski-homoseksualac-protiv-sam-agresivnog-lgbt-lobija-ciji-je-cilj-unistiti-tradicionalnuobitelj
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-majority-view...must-give-way-judge-strikes-down-oklahoma-constitutiona
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/80-of-maltese-citizens-oppose-government-push-for-gay-adoption
http://www.frc.org/washingtonupdate/obamas-same-sex-marriage-ring-leader
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/virginia-attorney-general-faces-growing-impeachment-calls-over-refusal-to-d
http://madisonproject.com/2014/02/a-mcconnell-crony-forces-gay-marriage-on-kentucky
http://c-fam.org/en/issues/marriage-and-family/7749-obama-team-tries-to-scrap-parts-of-universal-declaration-of-humanrights
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-gay-anti-discrimination-laws-will-one-day-ban-teaching-christianity-iri
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/judge-overturns-tennessee-ban-on-same-sex-marriage-true-marriage-laws-are-h
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/judge-ruled-michigans-marriage-protection-amendment-unconstitutional-but-ap
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/force-gay-marriage-on-northern-ireland-through-courts-amnesty-international
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/italian-town-votes-to-allow-gay-civil-unions-despite-no-law-allowing-it
http://narod.hr/eu/irska-presuda-zastupljenost-u-medijima-mora-biti-jednaka-novinari-posteni-objektivni-nepristrani
https://c-fam.org/turtle_bay/sodomist-members-of-european-parliament-find-democracy-distasteful
https://c-fam.org/friday_fax/un-rights-office-gets-human-rights-wrong
http://narod.hr/eu/ales-primc-idemo-na-referendum-rusiti-zakon-kojim-je-slovenski-parlament-ukinuo-brak-kao-zajednicuzene-muskarca
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-remakes-the-nations-courts-in-his-image
RH
http://www.crol.hr/portal/aktivizam-politika/politika/4851-raspustite-radnu-skupinu-i-istospolne-obitelji-uvrstite-uobiteljski-zakon.html
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/vesna-pusic-samovoljno-prikljucila-rh-me-unarodnoj-skupini-lgbt-core-group
http://dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/106784-njemacki-mediji-o-hrvatskom-referendumu-vlast-komunistickim-metodamazabranila-velecasnom-stojicu-da-govori-studentima.html
http://uimeobitelji.net/2013/12/20/vladajuci-predstavnici-naroda-ustavnim-promjenama-izravno-suspendiraju-demokraciju
Tko stoji iza kampanje protiv referenduma? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4JxAturj6E
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/homoseksualni-parovi-nece-posvajati-nego-dobivati-djecu
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/sto-ne-znate-a-trebate-znati-o-zakonu-o-zivotnom-partnerstvu-osoba-istoga-spola
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/zakon-o-zivotnom-partnerstvu-legalizacija-istospolnog-braka-u-rh
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/dubravka-hrabar-novi-obiteljski-zakon-ozbiljno-je-narusio-vladavina-prava
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/snazno-se-protivimo-novoizglasanom-zakonu-o-zivotnom-partnerstvu-jer-je-donesen-naideoloski-diskriminacijski-prevarantski-podmukli-nacin
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/vlada-rh-skriva-misljenja-ministarstava-i-vladinih-ureda-o-zzp-u-od-ociju-javnosti
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/proslave-i-prijetnje-povodom-izglasavanja-zakona-o-zivotnom-partnerstvu ("glupost")
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/vlada-rh-skriva-misljenja-ministarstava-i-vladinih-ureda-o-zzp-u-od-ociju-javnosti
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/naslovnica-jutarnjeg-na-dan-referenduma-o-braku-predsjednik-protiv-gradana
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"But to defend traditional marriage is not to condemn, demean, or humiliate those
who would prefer other arrangements, any more than to defend the Constitution of
the United States is to condemn, demean, or humiliate other constitutions. To hurl
such accusations so casually demeans this institution. In the majority's judgment, any
resistance to its holding is beyond the pale of reasoned disagreement. To question its
high-handed invalidation of a presumptively valid statute is to act (the majority is
sure) with the purpose to "disparage," "injure," "degrade," "demean," and "humiliate"
our fellow human beings, our fellow citizens, who are homosexual. All that, simply
for supporting an Act that did no more than codify an aspect of marriage that had
been unquestioned in our society for most of its existence— indeed, had been
unquestioned in virtually all societies for virtually all of human history. It is one thing
for a society to elect change; it is another for a court of law to impose change by
adjudging those who oppose it hostes humani generis, enemies of the human race."
"It takes real cheek for today's majority to assure us, as it is going out the door, that a
constitutional requirement to give formal recognition to same-sex marriage is not at
issue here—when what has preceded that assurance is a lecture on how superior the
majority's moral judgment in favor of same-sex marriage is to the Congress's hateful
http://narod.hr/eu/zamjenica-ministra-pravosuda-iznosila-neistine-vrijedala-usav-vrijedala-birace-koje-bi-trebalapredstavljati
http://narod.hr/clanak/pnuskok-pozvao-clanove-organizacijskog-odbora-u-ime-obitelji-na-razgovor
158 http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Trade+unions+%26+'same-sex+marriage+law'.-a0137407235
http://www.safu.hr/hr/primjeri-eu-projekata-u-rh/projekti/zajedno-protiv-lgb-diskriminacije-na-radnom-mjestu
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/tko-placa-sampon-2
http://uimeobitelji.net/2013/12/18/kampanja-protiv-financirana-je-novcem-iz-drzavnog-proracuna
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-family-group-blasts-vancouver-city-council-for-tax-funded-gay-activist
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/novac-gradana-za-vrijedanje-gradana
http://narod.hr/eu/nizozemska-aktivist-za-lgbt-prava-koristio-drzavne-potpore-kao-bankomat
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/vladini-amandmani-na-prijelog-rebalansa-proracuna-drzavni-dug-82-bdp ('uži članovi obitelji')
http://narod.hr/kultura/ministarstvo-kulture-novcem-poreznih-obveznika-financira-bizarne-projekte
http://www.realclearreligion.com/index_files/9efb22c53a240f964f8144ee2b063bc7-421.php
http://www.crol.hr/index.php/zivot/6415-vrijeme-za-porezne-prijave-evo-kakve-olaksice-imate-ako-ste-u-formalnom-ilineformalnom-zivotnom-partnerstvu
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/kroz-mrezu-razlicitih-organizacija-civilnog-drustva-zapravo-placamo-jedne-te-iste-ljude
159 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_activism
"Od 1998. godine se na tu temu glasalo u 38 saveznih država i LGBT ravnopravnost je svaki put izgubila, a bračna
ravnopravnost je u pojedine države uvedena zahvaljujući sudskim odlukama (poput Massachusettsa i Iowe) ili glasanjem
u senatu te savezne države (poput New Yorka)." http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/svijet/224846/Legalizirali-marihuanu-i-gaybrak-uveli-najvise-zena-u-Senat.html
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/judges-gone-wild-judicial-activism-deactivates-rights
http://www.alliancedefendingfreedom.org/News/PRDetail/4107
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/07/10587
http://dailysignal.com/2014/02/26/texas-judge-wrong-strike-texas-marriage-law
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-remakes-the-nations-courts-in-his-image
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/justice-clarence-thomas-supreme-court-should-have-heard-gay-marriage-cases
http://www.mercatornet.com/conjugality/view/15111
http://narod.hr/eu/najvisi-sud-u-francuskoj-dopustio-istospolni-brak-izmedu-francuza-marokanca
http://www.theradiancefoundation.org/judges-gone-wild-judicial-activism-deactivates-rights
http://agendaeurope.wordpress.com/2015/01/14/judicial-activism-at-its-worst-austrian-constitutional-court-invalidatesban-on-same-sex-adoptions
160 http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Arrogant+judicial+power.-a0128671067
161 Jednoumlje EU birokracije demonstrira ranije navedeni slučaj Rocca Buttiglionea dok se strujanja UN-ovih hodnika
oslikavaju u smjernicama za spolni odgoj djece iz 2009. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,543203,00.html?
test=latestnews) prema kojem 9-godišnjaci već trebaju učiti o pobačaju, afrodizijacima te homo i transfobiji dok će o
masturbaciji čuti već s 5 godina
https://c-fam.org/turtle_bay/universal-periodic-review-western-pressure-sexual-orientation-gender-identity
162 http://www.vigilare.org/akcija/sve-o-spolnom-preodgoju-u-kurikulumu
http://queer.hr/25296/od-ponedjeljka-u-skolama-obavezna-nastava-tolerancije-spram-seksualnih-razlici
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moral judgment against it. I promise you this: The only thing that will "confine" the
Court's holding is its sense of what it can get away with."
Antonin Scalia,
sudac američkog Vrhovnog suda u svojem izdvojenom mišljenju o presudi
većine u slučaju DOMA.163
“You must show that a man is wrong before you start explaining why he is wrong. The
modern method is to assume without discussion that he is wrong and then distract his
attention from this (the only real issue) by busily explaining how he became so silly. In
the course of the last fifteen years I have found this vice so common that I have had
to invent a name for it. I call it “Bulverism.” Some day I am going to write the
biography of its imaginary inventor, Ezekiel Bulver, whose destiny was determined at
the age of five when he heard his mother say to his father—who had been maintaining
that two sides of a triangle were together greater than a third — ”Oh you say that
because you are a man.” “At that moment,” E. Bulver assures us, “there flashed
across my opening mind the great truth that refutation is no necessary part of
argument. Assume that your opponent is wrong, and the world will be at your feet.
Attempt to prove that he is wrong or (worse still) try to find out whether he is wrong
or right, and the national dynamism of our age will thrust you to the wall.” That is
how Bulver became one of the makers of the Twentieth Century.”
C.S. Lewis
Who's doing the "shoving"? Have you tuned into prime-time TV lately? There is hardly
any show that doesn't contain homosexual characters and sexuality, always in a
positive light, and always with the "evil bigots" attacking them. So who's "shoving it"?
Every year "gay pride" parades takeover our cities and march semi- or fully-naked
people in broad daylight past unsuspecting children who are dragged into attendance.
And the taxpayer who deplores such behavior is forced to pay for it. So who's "shoving
it"?
Time magazine puts two men kissing on its cover. Brokeback mountain wins best
picture. Anyone in the media or most corporations who thinks homosexual behavior is
unnatural or sinful is fired. Public schools push gender confusion to 6 year olds, and
force everyone to take part in "gay days" (pink or purple t-shirts, pride attendance,
etc) and force GSA's down everyone's throats. So who's "shoving it"?
In contrast, the rest of us normal people want to just live our lives and raise our
children without undue and premature exposure to the debilitating and damaging
homosexual agenda. So who's "shoving it"?
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/duck-dynasty-star-refuses-to-back-down-on-anti-gay-remarks
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/life-on-glaads-blacklist
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/uk-college-considers-taking-down-photo-of-famous-alumnus-because-heopposes
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/08/10775 Now That We’re All Haters…
163 http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/Scalia-dissent-gay-marriage/2013/06/26/id/512076
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/scalia-jawdropping-decision-declares-traditional-marriage-supporters-enemie
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/06/10455
79
http://www.mercatornet.com/conjugality/view/13345 Rafael Correa
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/thousands-of-french-protest-mistreatment-of-young-pro-family-protestersent
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/teachers-union-calls-for-investigation-into-toronto-trustee-who-criticized
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/01/27/actress-claim-to-be-gay-by-choice-riles-activists
http://supertradmum-etheldredasplace.blogspot.ie/2013/06/persecutions-postings-revisited.html
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/gay-parade-izme-u-mitova-i-cinjenica
http://www.dnevno.hr/vjera/vjera-i-kultura/88947-dr-ivan-poljakovic-homofob-je-besmislena-rijec-koju-suizmislili-dzenderisti-radi-etiketiranja-neistomisljenika.html
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/homofobi
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/estonija-zaustavila-homoseksualnu-ideolosku-okupaciju
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2014/03/13/breitbart-bbc-censored-gay-muslim-free-speechforum-held-mosque
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/legal-expert-calls-for-mozilla-boycott-after-ceos-pressured-to-apologize-fo
http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/highlight/gay-rights-groups-pull-support-forenda/53bd504afe344477dd0007b1?cn=tbla – no religious exemption
Gordan Bosanac (gay aktivist) uči profesora ustavnog prava da će do 'ustavne krize doći ako
Ustavni sud dozvoli da ovakvo pitanje ode na referendum"
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/275095/Ladislav-Ilcic-i-Zeljka-Markicizazvali-zgrazanje-i-podsmijeh.html
Vesna Pusić: "zalagat ću se da onaj tko govori stvari s kojima se ja uopće ne slažem, ima
pravo to javno reći"164 dok govori protiv referenduma lol
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/07/10515
In sum, according to the powers-that-be, supporting killing unborn human beings is “heroic,”
supporting natural familial bonds for children is “demeaning,” and forcing religious
employers to insure (and really to pay for) services for their employees that they cannot in
good conscience support is “respecting religious freedom.”
Ad
Political
Correctness
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/02/07/dr_benjamin_carson_addresses_national_prayer_breakfast
_criticizes_obamacare.html
=naomi====================
Mene ne smeta apsolutno ništa što ne narušava slobodu druge osobe. Kad stručnjaci zaključe da je
psihički zdrav, nemam na to što dodati.
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Tipični postmodernistički "moral" koji se ne uspijeva maknuti od puke "tolerancije". Što ako je
ta druga osoba tvoje dijete ili netko do koga ti je stvarno stalo i ako ta osoba narušava svoju
vlastitu slobodu? Teoretski je moguće biti ovisnik ili samoubojica i psihički zdrav. Teoretski, a
pokazalo se i praktički, moguće je biti konsenzualni kanibal. Da imaš kćer i da se ona poželi
udati za tri muškarca, pastuha, drvo, samu sebe i/ili lik iz crtića (što već sve manje-više
spada u rubriku viđeno u ovom "naprednom" svijetu) ne bi a priori bilo "narušavanja slobode"
pa bi to bila samo još jedna vesela pozitivna varijacija?
164 http://dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/104522-pusicka-poziva-gradane-da-na-referendumu-glasaju-protiv.html
http://www.fizzit.net/vijesti-i-politika/komentari-i-kolumne/4975-nije-svrha-referenduma-da-zeljka-markic-ude-u-sabornego-da-vesna-pusic-iz-njega-izleti
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ja ću reć ovako... što homoseksualci rade u svojem domu, nije me briga. Niti što katolici
rade, niti bilo koja druga skupina dok to rade "sami sebi".
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(S obzirom na više puta izrečene i/ili implicirane stavove o katolicizmu i katolicima) Znači li
to da ti zapravo nije stalo ni do koga (zbog njega samoga) osim do razine socijalnog ugovora?
Ako ti možebitno dijete nekim nesretnim slučajem možebitno svojevoljno odluči biti baš
katolik (i "činiti to" "samome sebi" ne i tebi) hoćeš li ga dosljedno nezainteresirano tolerantno
(u smislu budističke odvojenosti) pustiti da živi po svojoj želji ili ćeš ga ipak, zbog njega
samoga, pokušati "spasiti" da ne potrati jedini život na takvu malignu iluziju ("ne preda dušu
ispraznosti")?
Sveti Konsenzus http://www.mark-shea.com/scotg.html
=prodotes=================
...voli bližnjega svoga...
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Zašto?
Što tebi "voli" zapravo znači? Da te nije briga što "bližnji tvoj" "radi sam sebi"?
Ako se ne varam, na jednom si mjestu (iako taj post više ne mogu naći) rekao da ljubav
možemo naći i među životinjama...ako je tome tako onda moram pitati i zašto nam je onda
uopće potrebno ovo "pravilo" ako je to nešto tako prirodno u nama?
=prodotes=================
...ne ulazi bezveze u spolne odnose...
...ja zastupam da ne treba se upuštat u to ako nisi bar 90% siguran u što se upuštaš...
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Zašto?
Kako se mjeri ta sigurnost?
Zašto baš 90%?
U što točno trebaš biti siguran?
Što ako "neka skupina" "sama sebi" u svojem domu "bezveze ulazi u spolne odnose"?
=prodotes=================
I ovaj zadnji argument... koje veze gay brakovi imaju sa "našom" djecom?
Dakle, "naša" djeca će biti ili gay, ili neće.
U slučaju da neće, gay brakovi ih ne diraju, istina?
U slućaju da hoće, gay brakovi će im dozvolit da legano budu sretni sa osobom koju vole.
Di je problem? :)
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U još jednom zamorno preplitkom "argumentu". I preskraćeni reductio ad absurdum bolje drži
vodu: zašto ne legalizirati "iglu" i pustiti me da živim i umrem sretan, ja i moja "igla" jedno
smo (i ne diramo nikog).
=naomi====================
Ali kod njih nije "ne ulazi bezveze u spolne odnose" nego ne ulazi uopće prije braka.
Ja pak ne mogu ulaziti bez emocija. Ne ide da me ubiješ. Baš sam prava ženskica.
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Ako sam shvatio probala si s muškarcima a s njima nemaš tih "pravih" emocija?
I koju suštinsku razliku tu čine emocije kad mogu nestati prekosutra kao i ona druga kemija?
ps. naravno, "prava ženskica koja ne voli muškarce" (i obrnuto) je (biološki) oksimoron...
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Ponos i predrasude
„Burroughsov queer nije tek puki gay sa stavom: on je doslovno gay s pištoljem, njega
svrbe prsti da ga upotrijebi. I ako mu neko moralizatorsko smeće stane na put,
kukama će ga vaditi iz rijeke.“
Oliver Harris165
"Oh Liberty, what crimes are committed in thy name!"
Madame Roland (dok su je vodili na giljotinu)
"Ponos dolazi pred pad i oholi duh pred propast."
Mudre izreke 16,18
"Ma ljudi moji, je li to moguće", da je "po nosu i prije suda" modus operandi ne samo
'rvatokatolibana nego i kozmopolitskog cvijeća inkluzivne revolucije? Moguće je, linč
"narodnog suda" oružje je svake revolucije, pogotovo onih koje su bazirane na "pravednom
bijesu potlačenih":
"Partycipacija je mjesto na kojem se istospolni ljubavni parovi mogu ljubiti i plesati
bez straha da će im netko prigovoriti da pretjeruju (neka pretjeruju!), ... nije
nikakav problem izbaciti diskriminatore s Partycipacije ... Nema tog homofobnog žulja
na koji Zagreb Pride neće stati."
"Kada je 2010. Zagreb Pride, pomoću pjesme Lily Allen, odlučio homofobima poručiti
da odjebu..."
"Neće nama našu slobodu i ravnopravnost nitko dati, nego ćemo je mi za sebe uzeti,
ako treba iščupati iz zapjenjenih ralja onih koji nam je uskraćuju, a u tom procesu im
možda izbiti i nekoliko zuba, baš kao što oni godinama izbijaju naše. Homofobi su već
sada krezave spodobe (o čemu nemetaforički svjedoče njihove fotografije u
medijima), koji poricanjem naše ljudskosti ukidaju vlastitu, i prema njima za mene
vrijedi revolucionarna maksima hrvatskog heroja Rade Končara: 'Milost ne tražim, niti
bih vam ju dao!'"
"To konkretno znači da se o nama ima govoriti kako mi odlučimo i odredimo da treba,
a ne kako svaka heteroseljačina sebi dozvoljava. Zato ćemo biti do daske iritantni
prema svima koji govore o nekakvom 'homoseksualizmu', te ih ispravljati dok ne nauče
govoriti 'homoseksualnost'."
"Nekada se po gej forumima zgražalo nad navodnim 'golim guzicama' na Povorci
ponosa, kao i nad navodnoj vulgarnosti iste (iako je realnost takva da je povorka
Zagreb Pridea, nažalost, jedna od vizualno najkonzervativnijih u Europi i svijetu), a
Zagreb Pride je onda 2010. gole guzice odlučio staviti na svoj plakat. I, što se
dogodilo? Najveća i najmoćnija Povorka ponosa LGBTIQ osoba do sada, jer smo u
Prideu iz osobnog životnog iskustva, kao i aktivističkog djelovanja, shvatili da su
mnogi strahovi samo Baba Roge za malu djecu. Pride zato razbija te strahove, ne
ustručavajući se ni od namjerne provokacije, s ciljem da se pokaže kako se nije
uopće trebalo plašiti."
165 http://www.profil-mozaik.hr/queer/PR/130827
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"Naravno, ne znači da se na nepravdu treba odgovoriti razjareno i nepromišljeno, nego
da se vlastitog bijesa ne treba stidjeti, jer on je beskrajno više pravedan nego svi
oni Božji bjesovi, o plodovima mora i čemu već ne."
"Ali to ne ovisi toliko o heteroseksualnoj većini, prema kojoj se ne trebamo okretati
da na nešto pokloni ili dozvoli."166
Gordan Duhaček, u manifestu Zagreb Pridea u Zarezu
S obzirom na stalne pokušaje smještanja ove rasprave u kontekst ljudskih prava i usporedbe s
pokretima iz 60ih vrijedi gornji "pristup" usporediti s onim za prava crnaca:
“In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds.
Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness
and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and
discipline.”
Martin Luther King Jr.
http://www.fckh8.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaSQpEA8e8k
http://pfox.org/Equal-Marriage-Unequal-Heterosexuals.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/effects_of_ssm_2012/index.html
http://massresistance.org/docs/marriage/video_2013/index.html
http://asensibleman.org.au/index.php/sources/sources-and-evidence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQO-x-eM-sc brazil homophobia mentally ill law
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVnQcFGu6EM (the power of homo tv)
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/left-and-right-agree-gay-marriage-brings-in-chokingauthoritarian-social-co http://www.spiked-online.com/site/article/13518
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/why-the-simultaneous-rise-of-homosexuality-andislam-an-interview-with-pete
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/will-the-duck-dynasty-controversy-awaken-americansto-the-homofascist-jugge
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/hgtv-cancels-reality-tv-show-after-left-wingersexpose-stars-pro-life-pro-f
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/544527_330707887029170_1525330906_n.jpg
hey haters fabulous hair
Michael Swift’s Homosexual Manifesto:
- http://www.wnd.com/2012/06/homosexual-manifesto-satire-or-reality
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65RGfRlSoH8
- http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/swift1.asp
http://www.christianconcern.com/blog/case-adjourned-more-homosexual-intolerance
zagreb to može progutati? http://www.bosnjaci.net/foto/380_zagreb-pride2010.jpg
http://cunterview.net/2010/politika-drustvo-mediji/sanja-kajinic-zagreb-pride-2010
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/84296-roditelji-su-me-prihvatili-kao-gaya-i-bili-u-odusevljeni-sto-sam-kao-i-mojipartneri-clan-sdp-a.html
http://moj.iskorak.hr/archives/385
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/supporting-marriage-may-be-offensive-public-school-students-need-permission
"Many individuals have lost their jobs, been demoted, harassed or even arrested due to very simple expressions of their
Christian faith, especially regarding sexual ethics.
166 http://www.gay.hr/forum/viewtopic.php?p=268825
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This includes Dr Hans-Christian Raabe, a Christian GP who was removed from the Home Office Drugs Advisory Panel
because of his unrelated views on homosexuality; David Booker, who was suspended from work for talking about church
teachings on homosexuality during a private conversation with a colleague; Andrew McClintock, who was not allowed to
continue working as a family magistrate because he did not want to place vulnerable children with homosexual couples; and
Theresa Davies, who was demoted because of her refusal to preside over civil partnership ceremonies.
Our website also documents the stories of many others who have suffered, including Dr Sheila Matthews, Gary McFarlane,
Eunice and Owen Johns, Kwabena Peat, Lesley Pilkington, Peter and Hazelmary Bull, PC Cogman, Chris Windows, Lillian
Ladele, Dale McAlpine, Denise Haye, Paul Shaw, Philip Lardner and Mrs Pauline Howe amongst many others."
http://www.christianconcern.com/media/bbc-world-service-gary-mcfarlane-and-andrew-marsh-on-world-have-your-say
http://www.christianconcern.com/blog/dr-scott-and-political-correctness
http://www.christianconcern.com/ourconcerns/religious-freedom/christian-doctor-under-gmc-investigation-for-sharing-faith
http://www.christianconcern.com/media/david-booker-suspended-christian-founded-charity-sharing-his-views-homosexualitycolleague
http://www.samesame.com.au/news/local/8143/Gay-hate-truck-gets-colourful-makeover.htm
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=SameSame+magazine+truth+truck&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&ved=0CEcQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F
%2Fwww.samesexmarriage.org.au%2F&ei=LlYUMOuNYeN4gTv2YGQDA&usg=AFQjCNH9frLHuhiqNU8gxF2cWdFVPAk58Q
http://globalnews.ca/news/1039744/1039744:
- prisiliti sve zemlje domaćine olimpijskih igara da imaju "pride house"
- “I’ve been out since the 70s, and I could not have dreamed then that a gay person could ever marry. That was not even on our
radar."
http://www.intoleranceagainstchristians.eu
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/religious-freedom/victory-christian-nurse-facing-sack-offering-prayer
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/religious-freedom/shock-decision-against-council-worker-sacked-mentioninggod
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/religious-freedom/christian-doctor-under-gmc-investigation-for-sharing-faith
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/religious-freedom/christianity-not-necessarily-for-public-good-says-charitycommission
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/anglican-bishops-in-west-indies-denounce-obama-blackmail-over-gay-marriage
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/112915-pet-godina-obaminog-mirotvorstva-nobelovac-bespilotnim-letjelicama-ubio-preko2400-ljudi.html
Adoption. Catholic Charities in Massachusetts has been ousted for saying that as an entity it
prefers man & a woman marriages in cases of adoption; that has been ruled
Unconstitutional167.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/mar/09030603.html (blair)
"In 2006, Archbishop Sean P. O'Malley announced that the agency would close rather than
submit to a state law requiring it to place children with homosexual couples. (A Vatican
document from 2003 described gay adoptions as ''gravely immoral.")"
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=19017
http://www.publiusforum.com/2011/10/31/illinois-governments-war-against-religious-childservices-continues
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/29/requirement-to-consider-gay-couples-for-adoptionforces-illinois-catholic-charities-affiliates-to-close
"The Illinois Religious Freedom Protection and Civil Union Act"
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20120829/GPG0706/308290296/FirstAmendment-column-Philly-parks-churches-fight-feed-homeless
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/religious-freedom/mps-call-for-inquiry-intocharity-commission
167 http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/191kgwgh.asp
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http://www.samesame.com.au/news/international/8923/Rupert-Everett-doesnt-wantgaybies.htm
"The UK's Guardian‘s Patrick Strudwick, commented that Everett “suffers from such a paucity
of imagination it is all but miraculous he manages to pretend to be other people for a living.”
“A thousand worse things come to mind. But one in particular bellows out — and is played out
– in households across the world: being brought up by parents who instil prejudice. Who
believe, for example, that to be gay is to be lacking, deviant, ungodly, unfit, improper.”
“And there can be few more profound insults than to assert that someone is unfit to be a
parent. Love, in whatever form, nurtures. Fear, in all manifestations, stunts and deforms.
Everett is merely this week’s example."
http://culturecampaign.blogspot.com/2007/08/gay-anti-discrimination-legislation.html
Accordingly, the city forced the YMCA to recognize gay unions as "families" for membership
purposes, or lose over $100,000 in support." ako ne poštuješ (ozakonjene) socijalne norme ne
možeš očekivati oslobođenje od poreza ili državne donacije – glupost većina NVU-ova postoji
upravo zato jer "ne poštuje postojeće norme" tj. želi ih promijeniti a oslobođena je poreza i
dobiva donacije
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/223855/Sveucilisni-profesor-odrzao-skandalozno-predavanje.html
http://slobodnadalmacija.hr/Crna-kronika/tabid/70/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/199476/Default.aspx
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/crnakronika/237327/Kaznjen-jer-je-preko-interneta-prijetio-gay-zajednici.html
http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Novosti/Hrvatska/tabid/66/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/177089/Default.aspx
5kkuna
"These folks listened with rapt attention as speaker after speaker argued that homosexuals
are the future of the Republican party … that without their support, the GOP cannot win"
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/its-the-gays-stupid-or-is-it
newspeak
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2012/07/31/10_concepts_liberals_talk_about_incessantly_but_do
nt_understand
http://liberallogic101.com
<nesortirano diskriminacija/mržnja/osveta/nasilje/primitivizam>
"Napadnuti tolerancijom” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T023eluEOTY
"Drugo lice homofobije” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5QDqzuLwzw
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bishop-tells-hostile-crowd-at-gay-marriage-debate-my-secretary-was-killedb
FEMEN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKI4OD2ZhMw
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/topless-femen-activists-disrupt-mass-at-swedish-cathedral
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/topless-activists-cleared-after-raid-in-paris-cathedral-securityguards-fin
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/topless-activist-jumps-on-main-altar-at-strasbourg-cathedral-toprotest-pop
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bare-breasted-feminist-snatches-baby-jesus-at-vatican-onchristmas-day
http://narod.hr/eu/konzervativni-mirno-prosvjeduju-citajuci-stojeci-gay-aktivisti-komunisti-anarhisti-ihvrijedaju-pljuju-tuku
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http://www.realclearreligion.com/index_files/7799469246a8a990b562ba691bb6582a-507.php (SanFran Castro
district mob attack)
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/street-preacher-arrested-in-scotland-for-condemning-homosexuality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glitter_bombing
www.lifesitenews.com/news/1.4-million-march-against-gay-marriage-in-france-police-tear-gas-crowd-chil
http://www.intoleranceagainstchristians.eu/case/christian-demonstrations-violently-attacked-by-left-wingradicals-in-baden-wuerttemberg-and-cologne.html
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bisexual-professor-raised-by-lesbians-never-knows-whether-im-going-tobet-k
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bill-oreilly-same-sex-marriage-advocates-work-through-threats-anddemonizat
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2013/homosexuality/eu-the-lunacek-report-and-homosexualfeminist-hatecrimes
http://leovandoesburg.blogspot.be/2013/10/speakers-at-catholic-conference.html
http://www.intoleranceagainstchristians.eu
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2014/turtle-bay-un/hate-crimes-the-european-parliament-isnt-worriedabout
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/street-preacher-says-he-faces-death-threats-after-authorities-encouragepeo
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2014/04/grocery-owner-chauncy-childs-donates-to.html
http://americansfortruth.com/issues/freedom-under-fire/glbtq-lawsuits-retribution
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/seattle-gay-pride-marchers-viciously-beat-christian-street-preacher-video
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholics-marching-against-abortion-gay-agenda-in-brazil-attacked-byviolen
http://www.lifesitenews.com/horror-mob-of-topless-pro-abort-feminists-attacks-rosary-praying-mendefend.html
http://narod.hr/eu/izlozba-koja-je-ujedinila-spanjolske-krscane-zidove-muslimane-jedina-crkva-kojaprosvijetljuje-je-ona-koja-gori
http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/obracun-francuske-policije-s-opasnim-zenama-i-djecom-2
http://blog.adw.org/2012/11/some-thoughts-on-the-five-stages-of-religious-persecution
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/italian-singer-defends-song-about-gay-man-becoming-straight-but-says-itrui
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/state-senators-family-receives-death-threats-after-promoting-religious-free
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/info/kbase/facist_tactics.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/12b/tea_party_0415/attack/index.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11c/Dattilio_arrest/index.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/plagued-with-violent-crime-massachusetts-city-convicts-pro-lifer-onnuisanc
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/479857.aspx
<RH>
http://vigilare.org/akcija/dosta-je-govora-mrznje-i-diskriminacije
http://www.vecernji.hr/hrvatska/don-damiru-stojicu-zbog-referenduma-prijete-smrcu-903317
http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protukatoličanstvo#U_modernoj_Hrvatskoj
http://www.tportal.hr/funbox/funtime/297815/Antonov-225-ukrcao-i-otplovio-udrugu-U-ime-obitelji.html
http://hho.hr/izjava-br-82013-o-pravu-na-referendum
http://hho.hr/izjava-br-132013-o-referendumu-za-obitelj / http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/106173agresivni-mediji-i-duznosnici-sire-mrznju-i-progonstvo-onih-koji-se-izjasne-za-rijec-je-o-matrici-iz-proslihvremena.html
http://dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/106674-video-volonterka-i-samohrana-majka-pretucena-jer-je-imala-majicuna-kojoj-pise-u-ime-obitelji.html
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/queer-zagreb-opet-siri-mrznju-nesnosljivost
http://www.dnevno.hr/vjera/vjera-i-kultura/103925-ususret-referendumu-koji-se-da-je-bilo-pameti-ne-bi-nitidogodio.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/113120-foto-sramota-objesen-kardinal-bozanic-potice-ih-antikrscanin-iantihrvat-milanovic.html
</RH>
http://conservapedia.com/Homosexual_Couples_and_Domestic_Violence
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-students-organize-campaign-to-kick-out-catholic-priest-for-sayinghomos
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/toronto-cardinal-under-fire-after-barring-dissident-priest-from-speaking-in
http://queerintersectional.wordpress.com protiv homonacionalizma
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http://starkshumble.com/matt/archives.php?
subaction=showfull&id=1226682590&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yRaZ2obRcU (hate against catholics)
pussy riot, lesbian avengers
spitzer (nakon objave studije, white wash http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_spit3.htm)
<<
Monica Hesse, Opposing Gay Unions With Sanity & a Smile
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/27/AR2009082704139.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/04/AR2009090402967.html
"My current partner is a man," she wrote them. "Before him, my partner of two years was a
woman, with whom I discussed health insurance, kids, houses and marriage. You can bet that I
found the fact that our marriage wouldn't have been legal to be wrong as hell.
Two Million for Marriage, the organization's push to rally online activists around the country,
was similarly unfortunate: Apparently no one at NOM had realized that 2M4M, the hipsounding tag they'd chosen for the initiative, is also the abbreviation favored by gay couples
looking for a threesome.
>>
http://www.xtra.ca/public/Toronto/Gay_couple_denied_apartment_in_Brampton-12355.aspx
http://americanphoenix.net/2008/05/19/fallout-and-implications-homosexual-marriage
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/159682/Izbaceni-iz-rijeckog-sjemenista-jer-su-homoseksualci.html
http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/16-03-2012/120811-pussy_riot-0
http://www.adherents.com/misc/hsk.html
Kršćani smrde, *ebu vlastitu dicu, zaglupljuju ljudsku vrstu i jedu govna. Amen.
Evo, ja ću ti odgovorit. Popovi su bezobrazni, netolerantni, nazadni, profašistički, nenarodni,
pedofili i pohlepni, lažljivi manipulatori. Ja mrzim i prezirem takve ljude. A vjernike ne
mrzim.
Dobre šale nikad dosta. Da nije bilo zatucane crkve i njihovih retardiranih sljedbenika, ti
nedojebana svinjo, ljudska vrsta bi već gradila objekte u svemiru i bila 500god naprednija
nego šta je danas.
<<
"Christianity in the masses has resulted in limiting many voters' abilities to think about policy
because the Bible has calcified their brains."
Glad to see people are still trying to be civil, which was the lesson liberals wanted us to learn
after congresswoman Giffords was shot.
>>
UHIĆENJA
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7668448/Christian-preacher-arrested-for-saying-homosexuality-is-asin.html
http://americansfortruth.com/2011/06/01/labarbera-illinois-anti-christian-civil-unions-law-must-be-repealed
http://americansfortruth.com/2010/09/10/minneapolis-settles-with-psychologist-michael-campion-who-wasfired-for-his-christian-beliefs
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-mcguinty-gay-rights-bill-13-passes-65-36
http://www.dailydot.com/news/tom-daley-welsh-soccer-player-twitter-arrest
http://digg.com/newsbar/topnews/Man_Arrested_for_Trying_to_Protect_Son_from_Gay_Kindergarten_Lesson
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Kalifornijski referendum (Prop8):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_violence#Violence_related_to_LGBT_people
http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_politics/California_Proposition_8/Post-Election_Events
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/11/29/anti-prop-8-mob-watch-a-new-blacklist-published
http://www.christianexaminer.com/Articles/Articles%20Dec08/Art_Dec08_09.html
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/10/the-price-of-prop-8
http://oped.ca/National-Post/matt-gurney-californias-gay-marriage-vote-sparks-retribution
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/6640762-mormon-bishop-killed-response-to-proposition-8
http://makemyvotecount.blogspot.com/2008/11/forget-democracy-we-want-anarchy.html :
"What's surprising (or maybe not so) is that even though 70 percent of African-Americans voted in favor of
Proposition 8, protests against black churches are virtually nonexistent. And everyone knows exactly why:"
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2579991/posts
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/07/656794/-Prop-8-Retribution-Let-s-Flood-the-Inbox-of-Knights-ofColumbus
http://www.breakpoint.org/bpcommentaries/entry/13/26818
<Eich>
http://www.cnet.com/news/eich-resignation-as-mozilla-ceo-as-messy-as-his-appointment
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/prominent-pro-gay-liberals-criticize-mozilla-for-forcing-ceos-resignation
http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/04/mozilla-blowback-bursting-the-pc-bubble
http://www.bookwormroom.com/2014/04/06/we-dont-have-a-gay-mafia-we-have-a-gay-soviet
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/07/brendan-eich-has-the-right-to-fight-gay-rights-butnot-to-be-mozillas-ceo
http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/07/08/do_anti_gay_christians_really_face_employment_discriminat
ion.html
</Eich>
otpuštanje
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/you-can-be-christian-or-you-can-be-successful-how-leftists-aresuccessfully
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/christian-day-care-worker-fired-after-refusing-to-read-pro-gay-books-to-chi
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/atlanta-fire-chief-fined-more-than-14000-for-publishing-christian-views-of
http://www.albertmohler.com/2015/01/12/religious-liberty-vs-erotic-liberty-religious-liberty-is-losing
http://www.afajournal.org/2007/february/0207noi.asp
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/31/gay-rights-vs-faithful/?page=all
http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/student_life/studentorgs/lawreview/docs/issues/v21n2/13DeBoervol.21.2r-1[1].pdf
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2010/07/13/another-academic-on-kenneth-howell
http://secularheretic-st.blogspot.com/2008/11/roxon-sacks-health-ambassador.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2008/dec/08121102
http://www.valuesvoternews.com/2009/04/christian-charity-worker-supsended.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/canadian-sports-anchor-fired-after-backing-true-marriage
http://sports.nationalpost.com/2011/06/23/broadcaster-fired-controversial-tweet-tweet-files-human-rights-complaint
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/fired-sportscaster-the-word-no-can-be-an-act-of-great-love-humanae-vitae-ro
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/how-will-gay-marriage-hurt-us-heres-how
lgbt djecu zadirkuju: argument za legalizaciju lgbt braka (kao šalje poruku) ali nije argument protiv lgbt posvajanja?
http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/blogs/docs/mommiesdearest.pdf
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/traditional-marriage-advocates-could-be-prosecuted-in-scotland-legal-expert
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/english-christian-marriage-registrar-loses-last-appeal-to-european-human-ri
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2006/jun/06061410.html
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/apr/05042910.html
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/apr/05042910.html
http://action.afa.net/item.aspx?id=2147497324
a što kad u pitanju budu "nekršćani" http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/18/muslim-drivers-at-cleveland-airport-refuse-todrive-cabs-with-gay-games
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<nesortirano "liberalni" mediji i pomodarska kristofobija>
<HR referendum>
<"javna" televizija>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da4nMol_9NI Analiza laži HRT-a
http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/doznajemo-glavni-ravnatelj-hrta-sjedi-u-nadzornom-odboru-hypo-banke-ali-tvrdida-nije-u-sukobu-interesa/667045.aspx
http://www.vecernji.hr/radman-je-simbol-sfrj-ne-microsofta-451658
http://www.hkv.hr/izdvojeno/komentari/mm/14240-intervju-gorana-radmana-koji-se-ne-isplati-citati-sve-do-zadnjegpitanja.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/108903-radman-istovremeno-sjedi-u-nadzornom-odboru-hypo-banke-ali-iodlucuje-o-urednickoj-politici-hrt-a.html
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/etika-hrt-alfier-zna-hrvatska-je-nazadna-kristic-podnio-ostavku
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV0MKhnzpA0 Stojić
</"javna" televizija>
http://narod.hr/u-prijevodu/hns-bi-nastavio-kaznjavati-hrvate-koji-su-glasali-za-brak-kao-zajednicu-zene-muskarca
http://dnevno.hr/vjera/vjera-i-kultura/104471-jucerasnja-kanonada-jutarnjeg-lista-protiv-referenduma-o-braku-nadmasila-svedosadasnje.html
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/lgbt-propaganda-jutarnjeg-zlorabi-cak-i-svetog-oca
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/104128-sramotno-za-jutarnji-list-clanovi-udruge-u-ime-obitelji-su-idioti.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/108677-gospodine-duka-zasto-ste-kao-urbani-protiv-intelektualac-zatvarali-oci-predprogonom-novinarke-vidovic-kristo.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/108272-sramota-duka-novinari-su-urbaniji-i-obrazovaniji-dio-drustva-i-logicno-je-dasu-vecinom-bili-protiv.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/106436-protiv-budala-slogan-je-objavljen-na-stranicama-net-hr-a-policija-ne-reagira-naprijave-a-slogan-preko-noci-povucen.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/108926-dijete-sam-samohranog-roditelja-sedmeroclane-obitelji-dobio-sam-otkaz-jersam-net-hr-u-rekao-da-mi-smeta-baner-protiv-budala.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/105385-nedopustivo-ovog-maloljetnika-jutarnji-je-proglasio-teroristom-godinelijecenja-koje-je-prosao-padaju-u-vodu.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2013/12/04/same-sex-marriage-experiences-a-major-setback-incroatia
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/04/croatia-gay-marriage-vote-europe-rotten-heart
</HR referendum>
<HR>
http://www.vecernji.ba/kolumne/zastrasuje-kad-balavac-fasisticki-dehumanizira-neistomisljenike-kolumna-504702
http://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/judith-reisman-redatelj-tate-gledatelji-ipak-ostali-bez-projekcije-clanak-503779
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/podlo-i-krivo-izvjestavanje-hrvatskih-medija-o-izvjescu-zuber
http://www.vigilare.org/akcija/akcija-stop-krscanofobiji-2011
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/120859-strah-od-krscanskih-vrijednosti.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vjera/vjera-i-kultura/88220-tjedan-prosvijecenog-apsolutizma-zavrsio-ideoloski-obojenom-emisijomaleksandra-stankovica.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vjera/vjera-i-kultura/87971-boris-dezulovic-zagovornik-prosvijecenog-apsolutizma.html
http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Hrvatska/tabid/66/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/211829/Default.aspx
http://narod.hr/u-prijevodu/dr-markic-privodenje-josipa-klemma-zastrasivanje-svih-koji-se-protive-aktualnoj-vlasti
http://www.fizzit.net/vijesti-i-politika/komentari-i-kolumne/4787-nagodba-za-eph-je-spas-demokracije-u-hrvatskoj-jutarnjinaprijed-index-stoj
http://www.fizzit.net/vijesti-i-politika/komentari-i-kolumne/3606-medijski-duopol-u-hrvatskoj
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/ivo-josipovic-zalagat-cu-se-da-istispolni-parovi-posvajaju-djecu-u-hrvatskoj
http://narod.hr/kultura/video-oliver-frljic-radim-na-razgradnji-hrvatskog-identiteta
</HR>
http://narod.hr/eu/cenzura-zasto-niti-jedna-televizija-nije-htjela-prikazati-ovaj-spot
http://narod.hr/svijet/javna-televizija-odbila-emitirati-spot-o-tome-da-dijete-ima-pravo-na-mamu-na-tatu
http://www.onemillionmoms.com/issues/omm-will-continue-to-fight-abc-on-'gcb'
http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/2008/07/13/either-theyre-experts-or-theyre-not
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/best-distortion-in-an-awards-speech-and-the-oscar-goes-to
http://www.chron.com/opinion/outlook/article/It-s-time-for-gay-humility-to-go-along-with-gay-1741204.php
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter032102.asp
http://www.freedomisknowledge.com/ed/loveisthatwhatitiscalled.html
http://www.freedomisknowledge.com/otw/jesse.htm
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http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-08-22/news/33326590_1_hate-crime-attack-gay-slur-homophobic-slurs
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-08-09/news/33122349_1_homophobic-violence-gay-bar-facebook-photos
http://www.massresistance.com/docs/gen2/12b/nc_vote_0508/boston_media.html
http://www.catholicjournal.us/journal/tag/anti-catholicism
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/british-christians-fed-up-with-coarse-sneering-mockery-of-christianity
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-propaganda-campaign-takes-offensive-turn
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/fbi-linked-gabby-giffords-shooter-to-christian-prolife-groups
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/must-see-video-a-marriage-expert39s-masterful-handling-of-piers-morgan
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/fox-news-bret-baier-explains-why-he-cancelled-on-legatus
<Arizona>
http://blog.heritage.org/2014/02/25/religious-liberty-arizona-gets-right-ny-times-gets-wrong
http://verbingupthenoun.wordpress.com/2014/02/25/signal-noise-az-rel-freedom-bill
http://thefederalist.com/2014/02/28/dumb-uneducated-and-eager-to-deceive-media-coverage-of-religious-liberty-in-a-nutshell
</Arizona>
http://www.hliworldwatch.org/?p=1527 ušutkavanje
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/u-of-manitoba-law-profs-urge-provinces-law-society-to-blacklist-christian-l
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/jun/10/20070610-111445-6957r/?page=all The words “natural family,”
“marriage” and “union of
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/use-of-the-words-natural-family-ruled-hate-speech-appeal-hearing-underway
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ny-mets-silence-christian-baseball-player-for-expressing-acceptance-but-dis
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/will-the-government-tell-christians-to-shut-up
http://www.utsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070624/news_lz1e24will.html
http://wcr.ab.ca/old-site/news/2009/0209/chrc020909.shtml
http://ncfpc.org/FNC/0707SF.html
http://www.christianpost.com/news/philly-five-freed-from-undue-charges-20908
http://www.wnd.com/2006/05/36087 knjižničar
http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2009/06/03/06-17328.pdf rezolucija za posvajanje
http://www.afajournal.org/2002/april/homosexualagenda.asp v sisco
www.newsmax.com/newswidget/Sharyl-Attkisson-CBS-Solyndra-Fast/2014/03/10/id/557202
http://therightswriter.com/2014/11/journalistic-malpractice-reporter-who-savaged-an-abstinence-speaker-was-an-occupy-wallstreet-feminist
http://thefederalist.com/2014/02/28/dumb-uneducated-and-eager-to-deceive-media-coverage-of-religious-liberty-in-a-nutshell
http://narod.hr/eu/vijece-europe-upozorilo-na-rast-diskriminacije-krscana-u-europi
http://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/fox-news-brent-baier-actor-gary-sinise-cancel-on-catholic-group-after-gay-g
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/under-fire-from-gay-activists-dc-comics-shelves-superman-project-by-mormon
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/apple-fires-alabama-lobbyist-on-same-day-he-was-targeted-for-his-pro-family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M1XVE9W67g Robin Williams on the Vatican and homosexuality
{{PRLJAVA IGRA}}
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/07/10603 The Legal Circus That Killed Proposition 8
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/02/14530 Why Obama’s Marriage Lie Matters
http://narod.hr/u-prijevodu/hns-bi-nastavio-kaznjavati-hrvate-koji-su-glasali-za-brak-kao-zajednicu-zene-muskarca
http://uimeobitelji.net/2013/12/11/sdp-u-europskom-parlamentu-o-hrvatskoj-radikalni-konzervatizam-ogranicavanje-pravamanjina-ksenofobija-antisemitizam-mrznja
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2013/abortion/estrela-report-why-and-how-it-was-rejected-a-look-back
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2013/abortion/praising-herself-insulting-her-opponents-telling-lies-edite-estrela-makes-asecond-attempt-to-get-her-report-on-sexual-rights-adopted
http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/zagovornici-abortusa-u-bruxellesu-ne-odustaju-estrela-izvjesce-po-treci-put-u-europarlamentu
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/anti-bullying-speaker-curses-mocks-christian-teens.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/absolutely-chilling-irs-admits-targeting-conservative-groups-for-inappropri
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/13c/Hawaii-marriage-bill/house-hearing.html
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/i-taiwan-trazi-referendum-o-braku
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hhmg2rKyco
http://dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/104480-video-skandalozna-izjava-nenada-stazica-zeljka-markic-bi-djecu-samohranihroditelja-strpala-u-jasenovac.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/komentari/104319-crkvo-mrzac-jovanovic-prijeti-dopisom-ravnateljima-skola-radi-referendumao-obitelji.html
http://dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/106244-foto-sramotni-potezi-protivnika-referenduma-hrvatska-zena-na-hrvatskoj-saci-strojza-radanje.html
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http://massresistance.org/docs/gen2/13c/Hawaii-marriage-bill/house-hearing.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11c/it_gets_better/savage.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11c/it_gets_better/red_sox/more_0901.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11c/it_gets_better/index.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11c/it_gets_better/red_sox/index.html
http://www.massresistance.org/media/video/brainwashing.html
http://queer.hr/32578/kako-najbolje-do-lgbt-vidljivosti-kupovinom-krscanske-domene
http://ethikapolitika.org/2014/02/12/usurpation-un
"Agenda":
- After the ball
- The Rites of Artgenossen http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/30114370?
uid=3738200&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&sid=47699014778167
(Whistleblower Magazine) Gay Rights' Secret Agenda - Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement
http://www.wnd.com/2010/11/221853
http://blogs.wpri.com/2012/09/06/gay-marriage-group-snubs-kelly-despite-jabours-opposition
http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/amparo-medina-bivsa-revolucionarka-i-duznosnica-un-a-moj-posao-je-bio-unistiti-vjerukatolicima
http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/hrvatska/kresimir-miletic-borba-se-vodi-za-generaciju-koja-dolazi
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/kako-je-sanja-sarnavka-izgubila-zivce-zbog-izvjesca-zuber
http://narod.hr/kultura/svi-uspjesi-ministrice-kulture-andreje-zlatar-violic-od-frljica-preko-financiranja-portala-drzavnih-arhiva
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/naral-receives-the-only-exemption-to-ny-public-disclosure-law
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/13b/ri-marriage-vote-042413/analysis.html
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/katie-yoder/2014/03/14/ap-corrects-abortion-satanist-story-cruz-sba-react
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/what-is-truth-apparently-its-up-to-google
http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/allen-west-lady-gaga/2013/07/03/id/513349
http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/gingrich-irs-scandal-broader/2013/06/06/id/508478
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrf2R3UHhKo Behind the Big News
<nesortirano tautologija/dogma>
And how about “free speech sensitivity training”?
“Controlling what people say is very close to controlling what people think.”
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/08/sensitive-clowns-the-erosion-of-free-speech
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2014/03/28/barbara-kay-university-campuses-are-bastions-of-censorship
http://jonathanturley.org/2014/04/15/sensitivity-training-or-self-censorship-journalism-dean-publishes-islam-for-journalists-toteach-reporters-how-not-to-inflame-muslims
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vandals-ruin-pro-life-display-at-george-washington-university
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/std-epidemic-msm-and-cdc-suffer-from-factophobia
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2014/turtle-bay-un/there-will-be-blood
http://www.lifesitenews.com/resources/what-the-un-really-wants-from-the-catholic-church-a-paragraph-by-paragraph
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/italian-judge-un-report-a-first-strike-by-population-lobby-in-war-against-t
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-215_162-1599045.html
"These bishops are putting an ugly political agenda before the needs of very vulnerable children. Every one of the nation's
leading children's welfare groups agrees that a parent's sexual orientation is irrelevant to his or her ability to raise a child. What
these bishops are doing is shameful, wrong, and has nothing to do whatsoever with faith." (kuže vjeru bolje od crkve)
AIDS smrt nema veze s njihovom homoseksualnošću Foucault http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mapplethorpe Freddy
Mercury Derek Jarman
lgbt normalno mentalno zdravlje ako nije onda zbog diskriminacije
lgbt zajednice nestabilne zbog diskriminacije
Evelyn Hooker
brak je bolji od kohabitacije i građanskih zajednica kao argument za gay brakove ali nije kao argument za obranu braka samog
http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/college/specialinterestgroups/gaylesbian/submissiontothecofe/psychiatryandlgbpeople.aspx
prisilno outanje ormaruša
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tema na gay.hr forumu (sadržaj kojeg je čini se nestao u nedavnom redizajnu) a propos stranice dugineboje.com, gdje jedna
'ormaruša' izrazi zabrinutost da bi trebali nešto učiniti prije nego to 'dođe kod nas' da bi mu ortodoksni iskorakovac objasnio da
je on internalizirani homofob s nazadnim 'moralom' svoje babe
Combatting bigotry the gayest way I know how - http://www.slapupsidethehead.com
Object 1
http://queer.hr/16546/kujologija-recite-da-kuji-u-sebi
http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/2008/07/lawsuit_against_zondervan_comp.html
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/olympics-now-banned-from-any-country-restricting-spread-of-homosexuality
http://fumento.com/aids/mythexc.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/15-contradictions-you-have-to-believe-to-fit-in-with-pop-culture
http://www.wnd.com/2009/10/113672
http://gayito.blogger.ba/arhiva/2006/06/19/292217
http://www.kentucky.com/2012/05/13/2186828/same-sex-couple-denied-entrance.html katoličke škole
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1868 izjava
methodist ali http://blog.speakupmovement.org/church/category/equal-access
cenzura
http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/Home/ADFContent?cid=4045
http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/Home/ADFContent?cid=2747
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muqDK3v_qac&feature=slpl the logical position
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/video-catholics-assaulted-spat-upon-and-spray-painted-as-they-defend-cathed
http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/dutch-insurers-pay-christian-anti-gay-therapy ali obamacare ok prisila na kontracepciju,
pobačaje ... posvajanje
vrijedniji ne smiješ reći, a vegan smije meni reći da sam specist?
vegan news paper CHOOSING to not run ads for a butcher shop. If the owner of a construction company chooses to NOT
build a torture chamber for a S&M club should the company be forced to? Where's the choice for the supplier of goods or
services. Is forcing services OK if you are gay?
Dawkins religija je oblik zlostavljanja djece http://www.arn.org/docs/williams/pw_atheismandchildabuse.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/somerset/7863699.stm
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/99626-video-kako-je-nepristojni-voditelj-na-hrt-u-ugostio-pa-pritisnuo-vjernika-daprizna-raskalasenost-crkve.html
zeitgeisti i dan brownoidi mogu proci i slave se kao prosvijeceni a ovakvo nesto
http://www23.us.archive.org/stream/ThePoisonedStreamVol.1/poisonedstream_djvu.txt moze izaci samo u opskurnosti i
totalno je napadnuto (occupy hate)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Mead
http://www.newsweekly.com.au/books/0813336937.html
http://www.amazon.com/The-Fateful-Hoaxing-Margaret-Mead/dp/0813336937
"Occasionally a message carried by the media finds an audience so eager to receive it that it is willing to suspend all critical
judgment and adopt the message as its own. So it was with Margaret Mead's celebrated 'Coming of Age in Samoa'."
objektivna istina je nasilan koncept, sve je relativno i plod socijalne konstrukcije...osim! homoseksualnosti, "ja sam gay i
točka", nema rasprave...
http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/1112543002/man-discovers-hes-actually-a-woman-thanks-to-kidney-stone
>>he
decided<<
"Supporters of Chick-fil-A’s stance against homosexuality have said things like “Being against gay marriage is not being antigay” – in that case, am I supposed to believe that being against interracial marriage is not being racist?"
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/08/02/if-you-oppose-marriage-equality-what-else-am-i-supposed-to-callyou "There is no way to oppose equal rights for gay people without being a bigot/homophobe/asshole/pick-your-word."
"homophobia now that's a choice" "marriage is defined by commitment not gender"
cisgender komplementarno transgender (err not kao ni kontinuum Kinseyeve skale) - nepostoji "normalno" odnosno sve je
"normalno" - prodotes: "Dokle god doduše se za one druge bude govorilo da su "normalni" do tada postoji potreba za gay
prideom."
http://www.h-alter.org/img/repository/2010/05/web_image/zagreb-pride-banner.jpg (koji je problem s guzicama nikoji naravno
jer je grad pun plakata muskih i zenskih guzica..krivo i ti plakati su vulgarni i neprimjereni iako uglavnom nisu gole
93
guzice...što je samo još jedan dokaz da je za LGBT revoluciju preduvjet seksualna revolucija i devalvacija "normalne"
seksualnosti)
"We're here. We're queer. And we're coming after your children":
- http://catholiccitizens.org/press/contentview.asp?c=34972
- http://www.earstohear.net/separation/GLSEN.html
- http://criticalmassesmedia.com/2010/09/tales-and-their-tellers-4-were-here-were-queer-and-were-anthropomorphic
- http://fyeahqueermusic.tumblr.com/post/6892096899/were-here-were-queer-were-coming-for-your
http://www.catholicleague.org/ny-gay-pol-promotes-catholic-bashing
http://www.valuesvoternews.com/2009/03/ban-on-criticising-gay-sex-is-attack-on.html pornografija ili raspela u mokraći su
sloboda govora ali reći da gay brakovi nisu dobri za djecu je govor mržnje... http://www.valuesvoternews.com/2009/03/ukprime-minister-label-millions-of-pro.html
http://www.valuesvoternews.com/2009/03/muslim-and-christian-parents-in-london.html
SELLING
HOMOSEXUALITY
matt
kaufman
http://www.freedominion.com.pa/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?
nomobile=1&f=26&t=13126
http://secularheretic-st.blogspot.com/search?q=arizona
http://americanvision.org/1345/revival-of-blacklist
http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/09/11/us-griffin-emmys-idUSN1144512920070911
http://americanvision.org/1356/reba-mcentire-says-dont-judge-homosexuals
http://www.valuesvoternews.com/2009/01/spains-supreme-court-says-parents-do.html
zašto vodeći ateisti smiju reći stvari tipa da je vjera "virus of the mind" a kršćanin ne smije reći da je homoseksualnost
mentalni poremećaj http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2009/apr/09041501
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2009/feb/09020903
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-hhs-mandate-where-do-things-stand
http://www.becketfund.org/hhsinformationcentral
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/23/so_what_if_abortion_ends_life
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/inna-shevchenko/sextremism-the-new-way-for-feminism_b_2634064.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjNJX64cBOE Chomsky criticizes postmodern feminism & marxism
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{{H}} Indoktri-nacija
"… it was with mixed feelings that I reorganized my Hardwick-centric
course away from its gay focus. Labeling the new product Law & Sexuality,
I took up newer identities (bisexuality, trans, genderfuck), as well as the
gauntlet thrown down by Justice Scalia, dissenting in Lawrence (polygamy,
S&M, the sexuality of minors)."168
William Rubenstein, "Queer legal theory" profesor na Harvardu
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/31/kathleen-taylor-religious-fundamentalism-mentalillness_n_3365896.html
http://catholicinsight.com/obama-enforcer-of-the-sexual-revolution
-
http://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/what-obama-stalin-mao-hitler-and-freddy-krueger-allhave-in-common-targeting-children
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-lied-about-his-gay-marriage-position-to-get-elected-presidentadviser
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/secretary-of-state-kerry-promoting-gay-rights-abroad-at-the-very-heart-ofu
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-administration-begins-training-homosexual-activists-around-theworld
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-admin.-provokes-outrage-in-dominican-republic-with-homosexualactivis
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sebelius-promotes-obamacare-benefits-targeted-at-high-risk-homosexuals
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-campaign-releases-ad-comparing-first-time-vote-to-first-timehaving-s
http://pop.org/node/2390
http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/disney_charlie_has_two_moms_episode_yVLyTlp8Prf9xIqMtQnDyI
Kulturalni imperijalizam http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=_oyP230QYHw
http://www.realclearreligion.com/index_files/category-radical-homosexual-agenda.php
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/84296-roditelji-su-me-prihvatili-kao-gaya-i-bili-u-odusevljeni-sto-samkao-i-moji-partneri-clan-sdp-a.html http://moj.iskorak.hr/archives/385
http://www.johnjayinstitute.org/resources/publications/framed
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bringing-people-together-conservatives-say-gay-wedding-at-rose-bowl-wasext
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/111754-tolerantno-programiranje-je-pocelo-istospolni-brakovi-su-putprema-boljem-zivotu.html
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/goebelsova-propaganda-u-hrvatskoj
http://narod.hr/u-prijevodu/zasto-nas-mediji-bombardiraju-s-gay-vjencanjima
http://narod.hr/kultura/zlatar-violic-portali-koje-vi-nazivate-desnima-su-monolitni-naprosto-ne-prolaze-uvjetenatjecaja
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/dr-zeljka-markic-zasto-sudac-rogic-smije-sudac-turudic-ne-smije-iznositi-svojemisljenje
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/veliki-prosvjed-roditelja-u-hannoveru
“The Viral Awww Program”
Home Depot proposal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4HpWQmEXrM
168 http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/10b/kagan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Yxsh3fJpmQ
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http://www.dnevno.hr/magazin/lifestyle/96332-video-pogledajte-kako-to-izgleda-kadamuskarac-prosi-muskarca.html
http://tv.jutarnji.hr/video/show/5a9ec30ef3d84814c1f27e336233821f
Honey Maid “This is Wholesome”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/03/honey-maid-love-commercial_n_5086442.html
https://www.commondreams.org/further/2014/04/05-0
…
...except...how is a single dad 'wholesome' (for a little girl especially) or why did you exclude
trans and polyamoric families?
www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/05/doug-rigg-gay-dad_n_5080761.html (a girl's paradise:
http://distilleryimage5.ak.instagram.com/93545b98738f11e3878e12b4e1ddf625_8.jpg srsly?)
...except feel good videos can just as well be made with “traditional bigots” (who smile, kiss their
babies and buy icecream for their friends)...argument-iz-emocija nije argument...
Školstvo
"And I would very much like for many of these young boys to grow up and start
fu**ing men. I want lots of young ladies to develop into young women who
voraciously munch box. I want this just as badly as many parents want their own
kids to grow up and rub urinary tracts together to trade proteins and forcefully
excrete a baby."169
Daniel Villarreal @ Queerty
“Children have to be freed from… religious and other cultural 'prejudices' forced
upon them by parents, civil and religious authorities […] sex education should be
introduced in the 4th grade, (i.e. 9 to10) eliminating 'the ways of elders' by force
if necessary.”170
Brock Chisholm (first director of the World Health Organisation in 1948)
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-compares-pushing-gay-agenda-to-hitler-youthindoctrination
NEA (National Education Association) celebrates 'drag queen' teachers.171
http://queer.hr/25296/od-ponedjeljka-u-skolama-obavezna-nastava-tolerancije-spram-seksualnih-razlici
http://queer.hr/26303/zdravstveni-odgoj-u-skolama-predaje-se-prema-programu-queer-zagreba
http://savecalifornia.com/5-16-12-parents-urged-to-boycott-public-school-celebrations-of-teen-predator-harvey-milkon-may-22.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/parker/main.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/parker/parker_son_incident/index.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qCQ8d-Y9IQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR_ZzYKLl7E&feature=relmfu
169 http://www.queerty.com/can-we-please-just-start-admitting-that-we-do-actually-want-to-indoctrinate-kids-20110512
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-activist-our-goal-is-to-indoctrinate-children-into-lgbtq-agenda
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11b/homo_admission.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-real-agenda-behind-gay-anti-bullying-clubs-in-your-school
170
171 http://ww2.onenewsnow.com/education/2010/07/14/nea-celebrates-drag-queen-teachers
http://www.nea-glbtc.org/pdf/2010-06_GLBTC_News.pdf
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http://www.fgcp.org/content/welcome-sodom-usa-part-3
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ontario-catholic-school-survey-says-being-against-homosexuality-is-extremel
Klubovi u školama
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/police-investigate-teacher-who-posted-graphic-gay-sex-brochures-in-7-8-toro
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dailybrew/teacher-jacques-tremblay-author-teen-sex-novel-may-211512098.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/15a/lynnfield-mdl-school-gsa/index.html
Izleti na prajd&co.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/toronto-school-trustee-called-homophobic-for-questioning-nudity-at-family-f
https://twitter.com/TrusteeSam/status/433225186138009603
http://drrichswier.com/2014/04/21/a-very-queer-music-festival-in-sarasota-florida
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/14b/GLSEN-Conference-040514/gay-youth-clubs/index.html
<vjerske škole>
http://narod.hr/eu/britanska-vlada-prijeti-zatvaranjem-vjerskih-skola-koje-ne-zele-uvesti-gender-ideologiju
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/uk-gvmt-tells-faith-based-schools-they-must-promote-gay-rights
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dangerous-ludicrous-bill-would-force-catholic-schools-to-employ-teachers-in
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/not-flexible-yukon-education-minister-resolute-on-barring-catholic-teaching
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bishop-obeys-govt-order-to-remove-catholic-school-teaching-on-sinfulness-of
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/charlotte-bishop-backs-nun-who-gave-school-talk-promoting-church-teaching-o
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/how-a-catholic-school-board-hopes-to-accommodate-gender-disorder-in-a-catho
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ontarios-lesbian-premier-promises-to-push-gay-acceptance-in-catholic-school
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/students-flout-fordham-policy-hand-out-condoms-at-university-events
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-catholic-superintendent-slams-faithful-trustees-as-lunatic-fringe
http://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/government-shouldnt-force-religious-schools-to-violate-religious-beliefs
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/city-of-san-fran.-tells-archbishop-his-school-reform-is-discriminatory-cons
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcS42gWhZ5w ^
</vjerske škole>
<Europa>
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gender-ideology-pushed-at-eu-through-bogus-data-methods-pro-family-groups
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/10602928/French-parents-in-panic-over-warning-of-lessons-thatboys-can-be-girls.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/italian-parents-push-back-against-gender-deconstruction-project-in-schools
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/lgbtiq-pedo-ofenziva-u-njemackoj
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/roditelji-bojkotiraju-skole-u-francuskoj-zbog-rodne-ideologije
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/gay-bajke-preplavile-italiju
http://www.jutarnji.hr/slovenija--referendum-o-obiteljskom-zakonu--slovenski-djecji-casopis-ciciban-objavio-pricu-o-istospolnoj-obitelji-/1011469
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/regija/99563-bizarni-srpski-udzbenik-homoseksualnost-je-nastala-kad-su-se-lovci-vracali-izlova-pa-se-zajedno-veselili.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/british-teacher-convicted-for-child-porn-allowed-to-go-back-to-classroom
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/we-are-empty-german-homeschooling-family-raided-four-children-seized-by-gov
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-diversity-training-turns-schools-into-re-education-camps-italian-cardin
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/judge-denies-homeschoolers-custody-of-their-four-children-so-they-cant-flee
homeschool ne ali...
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2013/abortion/european-parliament-extremist-sexual-health-and-rights-report-to-promotecompulsory-child-abuse
http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/17748-citing-un-treaty-scotland-assigns-overseer-to-every-child
https://c-fam.org/turtle_bay/scotlands-named-persons-replace-parents
http://www.realclearreligion.com/index_files/c3d9506a7908908ef257979689bf8f08-561.php
</Europa>
<RH>
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/prva-hrvatska-gay-slikovnica
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/mzos-obmanjuje-ucenike-u-vezi-aids-a
http://www.vigilare.org/priopcenje/o-nastavnom-sadrzaju-rodna-ravnopravnost
http://danas.net.hr/hrvatska/sto-je-to-trebalo-todoricu-zar-on-stvarno-vjeruje-u-bolesne-teze-crkve a na istoj strani
http://www.radiosarajevo.ba/novost/98435/Najljigavije-seksi-reklame-u-2012-godini i
http://www.muzika.hr/clanak/39587/vijesti/hrvatska-dobila-prvi-porn-groove-album.aspx
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/nepotrebno-beskorisno-i-stetno-cjepivo
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/97948-profesorica-s-filozofskog-hrvatsku-djecu-nazvala-rodno-neosvijestenom-izatucanom.html
97
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/98164-u-hrvatskoj-vlada-jednoumlje-kao-u-jugoslaviji-ako-se-netko-s-necim-ne-slazene-daju-mu-da-govori-a-ideologije-se-namecu-kao-u-komunizmu.html
profesor Ivan Poljaković
letica: krleža, izlet u rusiju: 'nakon 10 milijuna mrtvih svi još vjeruju da je revolucija etički čista'
Štulhofer
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/u-dubrovniku-propagirali-sadrzaje-pseudoznanstvenih-naucavanja-o-djecjoj-seksualnosti
http://www.pzkm.org/aleksandar-stulhofer-utjece-li-pornografija-na-seksualno-zadovoljstvo-mladih
transgresivnost appeal štulhofer skeptici hare krishna
http://www.jutarnji.hr/aleksandar-stulhofer--znam-sve-o-seksu--ali-nemam-nikoga--srest-cu-valjda-pravu-i-ostvaritizelju--postati-tata/927147
dr. Gordana Buljan Flander, Poliklinika za zaštitu djece
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/kinsey-na-ulicama-zagreba-brosura-o-seksualnom-razvoju-djetetadr-buljan-flander
http://www.vecernji.hr/zg-vijesti/dvojica-vrticanaca-natjerala-treceg-na-neprimjereno-seksualnoponasanje-968151
"kad se događa među djecom, ne govorimo o seksualnom zlostavljanju, već o neprimjerenom
seksualnom ponašanju djeteta" – a postoji primjereno seksualno ponašanje djeteta?
"masturbacija dobra i zdrava za malu djecu"
</RH>
<Kanada>
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/twu-sues-british-columbia-law-society-for-violating-the-human-rights-of-its
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/twu-law-school-bid-wins-a-little-one-in-new-brunswick
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/10/05/ontario-teachers-discipline-chair-resigns.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/british-columbia-teachers-plan-to-use-39day-of-pink39-to-teach-homosexual
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/manitoba-anti-bullying-bill-18-may-force-gay-straight-alliance-clubs-on-ind
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vancouver-school-boards-new-gender-identity-policy-ignores-parents-critics
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/the-hidden-weakness-of-the-pornogogues-running-our-childrens-schools
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/so-a-gay-stripper-walks-into-a-top-childrens-charity-and-asks-for-a-job
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/what-are-you-trying-to-hide-tory-leadership-hopeful-slams-ontario-gvmt-for
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/younger-children-are-easier-to-teach-sex-radical-wants-b.c.-to-ape-ontarios
</Kanada>
<SAD>
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/gay-lektira-za-djecu
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/14b/GLSEN-Conference-040514/gay-history/index.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/disney-channel-series-to-feature-two-mother-lesbian-family
http://www.glaad.org/publications/tvreport10
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ohio-senator-proposes-dramatic-restrictions-on-homeschoolers
http://massresistance.org/docs/gen2/13d/diane-splitz-hearing-1008/index.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/parents-outraged-after-arizona-school-allows-boys-and-girls-to-use-whicheve
http://www.westernjournalism.com/middle-schoolers-subjected-to-graphic-gay-indoctrination
</SAD>
Type “queering” into Amazon.com’s search engine, and up comes Queering the Middle Ages, Queering the Color
Line, Queering India, and many other books, many from prestigious academic presses.
As an example of how to queer geometry, GLSEN recommends using gay symbols such as the pink triangle to
study shapes.)
http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_2_queering_the_schools.html
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/kvirizacija-obrazovanja
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/pobuna-u-juznoj-njemackoj-protiv-ideologije-duginih-boja
http://www.newswithviews.com/Turtel/joel57.htm
And again in Massachusetts, a Court of Appeals ruled that a public school may teach children that homosexual relations are
morally good despite the objections of parents who disagree. Parker v Hurley
The implications are clear: if marriage is legally redefined, believing what every human society once believed about marriage
—namely, that it is a male-female union—will increasingly be regarded as evidence of moral insanity, malice, prejudice,
injustice, and hatred.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wmpCtnr61s SPLC
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http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/Gay-Columnist-we-want-to-indoctrinate-children.aspx
http://action.afa.net/Detail.aspx?id=2147498157
http://action.afa.net/Detail.aspx?id=2147498723
http://www.wnd.com/2010/06/170033
http://www.onemillionmoms.com/issues/email-abc-and-disney-concerning-b-in-apt-23
http://studiocity.patch.com/articles/mom-s-talk-questionable-billboards-near-the-school
http://www.onemillionmoms.com/issues/sears-has-a-problem-telling-the-truth
http://www.google.com/search?q=children+in+gay+parade&rls=com.microsoft:hr&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&startIndex=&startPage=1
http://www.equalparenting-bc.ca/testimonials/england-jonathan.htm
http://www.equalparenting-bc.ca/issues/teachers-seducing-students.htm
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/girl-scouts-march-in-san-francisco-gay-pride-parade
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2248
http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2000/Schools/fistrep.htm
http://www.aim.org/aim-report/aim-report-bay-state-teens-taught-queer-sex
She like that freaky stuff
http://www.massnews.com/past_issues/2000/4_April/apfist~1.htm
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/obamas_schools_czar_kids_are_being_aggressively_recruited_to_become_het
eros
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/23/critics-assail-obamas-safe-schools-czar-say-hes-wrong-man-job
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/maltese-president-refuses-to-sign-bill-allowing-gay-civil-unions-and-expand
(što najavljuju nakon uvođenja – školska indoktrinacija)
http://www.sinaicentral.com/gendercentral/CritiqueSONDAS720_120202.htm
http://rescueyourchild.com/The_Problem.html
http://www.alliancedefendingfreedom.org/News/PRDetail/3607
http://www.google.hr/#sclient=psyab&hl=hr&source=hp&q=gay+public+parenting+indoctrination&pbx=1&oq=gay+public+parenting+indoctrination&a
q=f&aqi=&aql=1&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=150626l151627l4l151961l7l5l0l0l0l2l201l752l1.3.1l5l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,
cf.osb&fp=67431684b8093c8&biw=999&bih=1111
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_recruitment
=prodotes=================
Krvo onaj kraći dio... dakle nije da manjina većini nameću stavove nego mediji. Isto ko što će
sada za 2 miliona ili koliko kuna ić reklame PRO EU... a hoće li biti reklama protiv? neće,
dakle opet nije "fer"... al nije problem u većini i manjini nego u medijima.
==========================
Huh? Na koji način ova "analogija" ima logike?
Nisu mediji sami sebi platili "2 miliona" nego jedna interesna strana...
Ako su pak mediji pristrani manjini postavlja se pitanje zašto je to tako? Teoretski, idealan je
novinar (u izvještavanju) objektivan i nepristran...osim ako je na snazi selekcija i pritisak
urednika odnosno vlasnika...
VelikaDržava
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sweden-a-warning-against-overzealous-state-family-policies
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/quebec-premier-promises-a-7-per-day-daycare-spot-for-every-childin-quebec
http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/weapons-of-mass-instruction-a/9780865716698-item.html
Viktimizacija
...and the two great lies:
- Ako ne podržavate nečiji način života, to znači da ga mrzite ili da ga se bojite...(?)
99
- Ako nekog volite, podržat ćete sve što kaže ili čini...(?)
Organizatori će doista morati u budućim godinama nešto promijeniti, kako su i
sami najavili. Vjerojatno ne samo zbog brojnosti odaziva posjetitelja: ukoliko se
naime nastave ovako mirne povorke, bez izgreda, gubitak medijskog pokrivanja
Split Pride-a je zajamčen.172
miroljubivo liberalni riječki Novi List
Gay False Flag Attacks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceVP0cEhQZE
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lesbian-who-carved-cross-into-own-chest-in-fake-hate-crime-gets-sevendays http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/urezala-znak-kriza-u-vlastita-prsa-glumeci-zlocin-iz-mrznje
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lesbian-admits-she-faked-anti-gay-hate-crime-to-get-out-of-doing-herhomewo
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-leading-gay-marriage-activist-in-ohio-faked-his-own-abduction-police
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/newest-book-on-matthew-shepard-story-explodes-gay-movements-falsenarrative
http://www.breakpoint.org/bpcommentaries/entry/13/23479 The Truth and Matthew Shepard
http://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/optuzen-pedofiliju-zrtveno-sam-janje-rata-vase-vlade-kaptola-clanak-511646
http://gerardnadal.com/2014/01/11/killing-gay-men-with-victimology
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2013/eu-fundamental-rights-agency/eu-fundamental-rights-agency-boguslgbt-survey-yields-bogus-result
http://narod.hr/zanimljivosti/spaljivanje-gay-djeteta-optuzivali-konzervativce-optuzili-sebe
http://www.vecernji.hr/hrvatska/gay-dijete-iz-epruvete-nije-spaljeno-organizatori-htjeli-smo-ismijatireferendum-o-braku-925030
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/transgender-teen-girl-admits-lying-about-sexual-assault-hate-crime-in-high
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/uk-homosexual-who-claimed-his-face-was-beat-in-during-homophobicattack-now
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2013/eu-fundamental-rights-agency/eu-fundamental-rights-agency-boguslgbt-survey-yields-bogus-result
http://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/do-gay-students-need-a-safe-place-to-hide-from-a-chick-fil-a-sandwich1
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9959950/My-gay-fathers-sexual-abuse-was-swept-under-thecarpet-says-victim.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gender-ideology-pushed-at-eu-through-bogus-data-methods-pro-familygroups
https://c-fam.org/friday_fax/u-n-takes-on-bullying-sexual-orientation-gender-identity-during-general-assembly
http://www.defendthefamily.com/_docs/resources/6247187.pdf
"An analysis of FBI statistics on hate crimes committed against homosexuals during the time period 2000-2008
shows that the probability of any individual homosexual being the victim of a hate crime during his or her entire
life span is slightly more than one percent.[2] Interestingly, “gays” are more likely to commit hate crimes
against “straights” than “straights” are to commit hate crimes against “gays.” According to the FBI, there are
3.98 hate crimes committed by each million heterosexuals annually against homosexuals, and there are 4.44
hate crimes committed by each million homosexuals annually against heterosexuals. http://www.fbi.gov/aboutus/cjis/ucr/ucr"
http://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/zagreb-pride-povukao-spot-paljenje-kena-cisti-promasaj-clanak-419629
http://www.index.hr/black/clanak/zagreb-pride-povukao-sporni-spot-svaka-obitelj-je-sveta-nije-nam-bilanamjera-poticati-diskriminaciju/620329.aspx (a svi znamo koju razinu inteligencije imaju naši sunarodnjaci)
http://americansfortruth.com/issues/homosexual-hate (SPLC induced...)
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nebraska-lesbian-claimed-hate-crime-attack-charged-hoax-article1.1141775
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/21/13397580-lesbian-who-alleged-nebraska-hate-crime-chargedwith-lying-about-attack?lite
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-08-09/news/33122349_1_homophobic-violence-gay-bar-facebook-photos
172 http://www.novilist.hr/Vijesti/Hrvatska/Split-pride-prosao-mirno-s-manje-sudionika-nego-prijasnji
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/splicani-ignorirali-gay-paradu
100
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hh_Wh8eCII adam smith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnOdeGhjEnY (vortex)
Više "prava" više nasilja?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/02/anti-gay-hate-crimes-murders-national-coalition-of-antiviolence-programs_n_1564885.html
http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/06/googles-latest-doodle-shows-support-for-lgbt-olympians-heading-to-sochi
Lock up hundreds of foreign citizens without any trial in some forsaken shithole under mere suspicion of
terrorism and keep them there for years -> Get a peace prize.
Pass the law forbidding distribution of gay materials among children -> have the rest of the world gang
up on you.
http://politopedia.net/index.php?title=Dorino_Manzin
http://www.kriz-zivota.com/komentari/6383/medijska_slika_papina_pohoda
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/svijet/123958/Vjeroucitelju-se-ne-moze-dati-otkaz-jer-nije-u-crkvenombraku.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Kramer#The_Tragedy_of_Today.27s_Gays Lady Bunny quote
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/152152/Homofobni-svecenik-proglasen-krivim-na-sudu.html
Svi smo mi gay
"Homoseksualci budimo svi"
Aleksandar Stanković & Mima Simić173
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhsLcd-KKeo
http://www.examiner.com/article/sorry-right-wingers-but-king-david-was-gay
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/marilyn-monroe-lesbian-book_n_1706190.html
marilyn monroe
abraham lincoln
james dean
Eleanor Roosevelt
Marlon Brando
Vivien Leigh
Joan of Arc
J. Edgar Hoover
Katherine Hepburn
Spencer Tracy
papa Julius III
Vincente Minnelli
James Buchanan
Cary Grant
Richard Nixon
Paul Newman
Amelia Earhart
Laurence Olivier
173 http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/88331-tv-pretplatnici-hrvatska-je-pokatolicena-jazbina-odustajemo-od-placanja-rtvpristojbe.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/98387-muskaraca-mima-simic-kod-stankovica-je-pjevala-homoseksualci-budimosvi-a-sada-cete-je-kao-voditeljicu-na-htv-u-moci-gledati-i-vi.html
101
kardinal Newman http://www.realclearreligion.com/index_files/e5f8488c4feced4c94abce26acaaee2b-449.php
http://www.tportal.hr/funbox/funtime/196835/Matija-Gubec-i-prvi-gay-pride-u-povijesti.html
http://www.tportal.hr/kultura/knjizevnost/250491/Ljubav-i-seks-danas-su-potpuno-odvojeni.html
http://www.tportal.hr/kultura/knjizevnost/239847/Nemilosrdni-maco-Dredd-voli-decke.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/magazin/lifestyle/98184-video-reklama-s-homoseksualnom-obitelji-za-barillu.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/an-open-letter-to-elton-john-no-jesus-wouldnt-support-gay-marriage
102
{{I}} Pseudoznanost
"The APA has permitted political correctness to triumph over science, clinical
knowledge and professional integrity. The public can no longer trust organized
psychology to speak from evidence rather than from what it regards to be
politically correct."
Dr. Nicholas Cummings, bivši predsjednik APA-e (Američke udruge psihologa) 174
"Bila su istraživanja '48. i '53 godine prošlog stoljeća i provodio ih je jedan Alfred
Kinsey koji je dokazao da u svakom kolektivu ima 11% homoseksualnih osoba."
Dorino Manzin @ Nightmare stage Željka Malnara175
"You could say that homosexuals are at the pinnacle of human evolution.”
Clive Bromhall @ Edinburgh Book Festival176
“...čak štoviše mislim da bi [homoseksualci] bili puno bolji roditelji od
heteroseksualnih parova..."
Mirela Holy @ TV Bujica 10.06.2013177
"Pa i heteroseksualnost je povijesni konstrukt." 178
David Halperin,
"povjesničar seksualnosti",
sudionik "znanstvene" konferencije festivala Queer Zagreb
"Spolni organi su oduvijek, a seksualnost se stvara."
Milorad Pupovac179
"Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that
they know so much that isn’t so."
Ronald Reagan
=naomi====================
Struka koja je relevantna na osnovu znanstvenih istraživanja nešto proglašavati normalnim ili
nenormalnim je svoje rekla već odavno.:
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174 http://www.citizenlink.com/2011/07/27/therapy-for-unwanted-homosexuality-%E2%80%93-part-3
175 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdTowmicgQ8 ~0:58:00
176 http://web.archive.org/web/20031002103437/http://uk.gay.com/headlines/4882
177 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x10xxmg_tv-bujica-predrag-raos-i-mirela-holy-o-gay-paradi-i-dr-1_news
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2BivseNuhY (oko 28. minute)
178 http://www.tportal.hr/kultura/kulturmiks/207493/Gay-ravnopravnost-je-kompatibilna-s-neoliberalnim-kapitalizmom.html
179 http://queer.hr/38368/u-tijeku-je-saborska-rasprava-o-prijedlogu-zakona-o-zivotnom-partnerstvu
103
(ovo je dotaknuto par puta ali čini mi se ipak ne i dovoljno razrađeno)
To zapravo i nije bilo baš tako davno. Svjetska je zdravstvena organizacija maknula klasifikaciju
poremećaja tek početkom 90-ih. A APA, s kojom je sve i krenulo, u potpunosti je "normalizirala"/izbrisala
homoseksualnost tek 1987. A da cijela stvar ima nažalost malo, i sve manje, dodira sa znanošću a više s
dogmom i ideologijom daje se naslutiti iz početaka tog novog kopernikanskog obrata u "znanosti".
Prva APA-ina (d/r)eklasifikacija homoseksualnosti kao poremećaja dogodila se 1973 nakon što su par
godina uzastopno miroljubivi gay aktivisti argumentima...uh ipak ne, upadima i prekidima ometali
sastanke APA-e. Nakon te se odluke na unutarnjem referendumu oko tog pitanja samo četvrtina članova
izjasnila i "čak" 58% od tih glasova bilo je za deklasifikaciju. Stvarno jednoglasna odluka koja uopće ne
ostavlja
mjesta
pitanjima...
ili
možda
ipak
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,948045,00.html?
Možeš li navesti koje "relevantno znanstveno istraživanje" koje je opovrgnulo "znanstvenu istinu" koja je
vrijedila za Freuda, Junga, Adlera... (da su LGBT sklonosti poremećaj protiv produljenja vrste) i tako
dokazati da se uistinu radi o znanosti (a ne o ideologiji)?
Ako se stvarno radi o objektivnoj znanosti zašto je stvar "razriješena" glasanjem umjesto dodatnim
istraživanjem (ako dotadašnji radovi i podaci nisu bili dovoljni ili dovoljno jasni)?
Ako su LGBT-seksualnosti uistinu samo još jedne u nizu jednako vrijednih i veselih mogućih "seksualnih
orijentacija", kako to da su uvijek u manjini? Je li to možda zato što spolnost, s objektivnog znanstvenog
stajališta, ima samo jednu isključivu svrhu?
promijenjen kriterij normalnosti...a je li uopće moguće promijeniti ili izmisliti kriterij normalnosti po
kojem bi heteroseksualnost bila bolest a bez da se stvar pretvori u teatar apsurda?
...dok već dulje vrijeme čujemo za pokušaje proglašavanja religioznosti znakom intelektualne ili mentalne
retardacije, zaluđenosti ili čak fizičkog neurološkog poremećaja http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/93091vjernici-nisu-manje-inteligentni-i-prema-toj-bioloskoj-osobini-ne-treba-diskriminirati-ljude.html
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/religious-belief-a-pathology-that-must-be-eliminated-the-new-tolerance
CDC.gov, vlast i liberalni mediji: krivac za epidemiju side i ostalih spolno prenosivih bolesti kao i
depresiju i samoubojstva među homoseksualcima je 'homofobija' 180?!? ...naravno, jednako kao što je
zoofobija kriva za http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumclaw_horse_sex_case...
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/poor-mental-health-among-homosexuals-caused-by-lifestyle-itself-or-discrimi
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/south-dakota-politician-exposes-the-harms-of-homosexuality-in-letter-newspa
<STUDIJE>
Ako ograničenje braka na raznospolne parove šteti djeci u istospolnim zajednicama, kako istovremeno
"službena znanstvena istraživanja renomiranih ustanova" (i prije legalizacije "gay braka") mogu "otkriti"
da na djecu ne utječe odgajaju li ih mama i tata ili tata i tata?
"So which is it, you can't have it both ways?"
180 http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/std-epidemic-msm-and-cdc-suffer-from-factophobia
http://www.c-fam.org/fridayfax/volume-15/lancet-blames-homophobia-for-growing-hiv-epidemic.html
http://gerardnadal.com/2014/01/11/killing-gay-men-with-victimology
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/why-hiv-syphilis-and-gonorrhea-are-rising-among-homosexuals
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/52-of-homosexual-youth-in-large-study-report-self-harming-uk-study
104
<Regnerus>
http://www.markregnerus.com
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/12/health/study-examines-effect-of-having-a-gay-parent.html
petition to fire him...
http://www.c-fam.org/fridayfax/volume-15/study- shows-homosexual-parenting-not-equal-to-heterosexualmarriage.html http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0049089X12000610
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/features/2012/gay_parents_study/gay_parents_study_is_the
_witherspoon_institute_playing_politics_with_the_research_.html
http://archive-com.com/page/727090/2012-11-22/http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2012/09/17/31127
http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/sunday-commentary/20130614-mark-regnerus-defending-my-research-onsame-sex-parenting.ece
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/author-of-controversial-gold-standard-study-on-gay-parenting-being-investig
http://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/ut-austin-denounces-mark-regnerus-anti-gay-study
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/prof.-regnerus-says-michigan-judge-showed-bias-in-ruling-allowing-samesex
http://sites.la.utexas.edu/utaustinsoc/2014/03/03/statement-from-the-chair-regarding-professor-regnerus
http://www.dailytexanonline.com/opinion/2014/03/26/regnerus-findings-of-fact-require-clear-action-fromuniversity
http://www.regnerusfallout.org
http://www.buzzfeed.com/pdjsociologist/60-signs-you-study-sociology-g53m
Zašto su problem “politički naručitelji” Regnerusove studije (Whitherspoon institute & co.) a nisu problem
ideološki izvršitelji “nema razlike, sve je super i OK” studija koji su i sami gay i/ili su za "gay brakove" bili
unaprijed (i prije "studija")?
</Regnerus>
A Married Mom and Dad Really Do Matter: New Evidence from Canada
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/10/10996
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/the_no_difference_theory_is_dead
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2015/02/14417
http://narod.hr/u-prijevodu/mark-regnerus-o-novom-istrazivanju-istospolnog-roditeljstva-te-manipulacijamaili-autocenzuri-znanstvenika
<ACHESS>
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/not_so_fast
http://www.mercatornet.com/conjugality/view/12296
http://www.mercatornet.com/conjugality/view/14384
http://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/not-so-fast-that-australian-study-on-gay-parenting-tells-us-almostnothing
</ACHESS>
http://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/top-12-studies-showing-risks-to-couples-in-same-sex-unions
http://therightswriter.com/2014/06/dont-say-evolved-part-1-evolutionary-science-refutes-gay-marriage
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cdc-study-traditional-two-parent-biological-family-the-safest-environment-f
http://fielesalaverdad.org/documents/adoption.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/health/psychology/21gender.html
Fifteen percent of children raised in lesbian families went on to have a same sex relationship, compared with
none in heterosexual family control group
http://web.comhem.se/u68426711/12/sem2/tasker99.pdf
http://www.aap.org/en-us/about-the-aap/aap-press-room/pages/American-Academy-of-Pediatrics-SupportsSame-Gender-Civil-Marriage.aspx
105
www.tportal.hr/vijesti/znanost/316467/Kako-homoseksualnost-i-evolucija-idu-zajedno.html
<T>
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/psychiatry-expert-scientifically-there-is-no-such-thing-as-transgender
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-johns-hopkins-head-psychiatrist-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solutio
</T>
</STUDIJE>
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/dear-clinton-dont-say-evolved-evolutionary-science-refutes-gaymarriage
APA, ASA, AAP...
"Rarely is there as much consensus in any area of social science as in the case of gay parenting, which is why the American
Academy of Pediatrics and all of the major professional organizations with expertise in child welfare have issued reports and
resolutions in support of gay and lesbian parental rights" → dogma/jednoumlje?
Judith Stacy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_parenting
http://www.pfox.org/Removal_of_homosexuality.html
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/zssmenthel.HTM
"Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis" [Dr. Ronald Bayer, 1981]
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/1961/13/61130
http://www.cwfa.org/images/content/bornorbred.pdf
http://cleansingfiredor.com/2010/08/the-american-psychiatric-association-and-homosexuality
http://www.wnd.com/1999/06/231 PEDOPHILIA: GOOD NEWS, BAD NEWS
http://www.flyfishingdevon.co.uk/salmon/year2/hormones/tahir.htm
http://www.exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php
Studies
of
homosexual
parenting:
a
critical
review
http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/student_life/studentorgs/lawreview/docs/issues/v14n2/Vol.%2014,%20No.
%202,%205%20Kilgus.pdf
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pediatricians-should-decorate-office-with-pictures-of-gay-couples-medical-g
http://www.behaviorismandmentalhealth.com/2011/10/08/homosexuality-the-mental-illness-that-went-away
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1034938/posts Myth and Reality about Homosexuality
http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pages/tell_others_the_facts.html
http://factsaboutyouth.com/posts/are-children-with-same-sex-parents-at-a-disadvantage
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/03/01/1657891/sociologists-scotus-parenting
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/slobodno-recite-homoseksualnost-je-izljeciva-bolest
http://www.marriagedebate.com/pdf/iMAPP-Brief-APA-Statement.pdf
http://www.jutarnji.hr/ljubitelji-sado-maza-psihicki-su-zdraviji-od-ostalih-novo-americko-istrazivanje/1107262
http://www.crol.hr/portal/zdravlje-seksualnost/psiho/4944-znanost-ponovno-stala-na-stranu-netradicionalnih-obitelji.html
http://www.crol.hr/portal/zdravlje-seksualnost/psiho/4871-djeca-gej-roditelja-openito-su-sretnija.html
http://www.care2.com/causes/louisiana-uses-surrogacy-reform-to-attack-gayrights.html#13714602585491&action=collapse_widget&id=5284266
"this would be biologically impossible for a same-sex couple to accomplish."
http://www.apa.org/news/press/response/gay-parents.aspx
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/izlaz-iz-slijepe-ulice-rodne-teorije-1-2
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"Čini se da oko 40% populacije ima u tijeku života barem jedno homoseksualno iskustvo..."
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Uistinu moraš biti "fundamentalist" "gay religije" da apriori veselo vjeruješ u ovakve tvrdnje.
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Je li to iz onih "vrhunskih" "objektivnih" "znanstvenih" istraživanja Alfreda Kinseya (praoca seksualne
revolucije, biseksualca koji je dijelio ljubavnika s vlastitom suprugom) s pedofilima, muškim
zatvorenicima i muškim prostitutkama?
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cdc-study-finds-there-are-far-fewer-homosexuals-in-us-than-manythink
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2012/01/how-many-homosexuals-are-there
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To što ostali laprdaju može biti jedino izraz njihove neinformiranosti, a posljedično nažalost na njihovu
sramotu - i zatucanosti.
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Upravo ovo što si ti napisala je izraz, ako ne i definicija, zatucanosti odnosno dogmatske isključivosti.
Npr. bi li itko danas u ozbiljnim javim krugovima imao pravo samo postaviti slijedeća _pitanja_ a bez da
ga se automatski odbaci i ismije kao "zatucanog homofoba" (to je sve više današnji ekvivalent pojma
"vještice" u "mračnom dobu"): Zašto je pobornicima za "prava homoseksualaca" (što god to za sad
značilo) prvenstveno bitna "potpuna znastvena normalizacija" odnosno proglašavanje homoseksualnosti
kao potpuno istovrsne odnosno "pozitivne varijacije" seksualnosti kao što je to i heteroseksualnost, dakle
kao razlika između plavih, zelenih i smeđih očiju? Uvijek me iznova "fascinira" što kao "natražnjak"
moram prosvijetljene/napredne/slobodoumne/ateiste upoznavati s općom kulturom tog istog
prosvjetiteljstva/napretka/slobodumlja/ateizma, odnosno Davidom Humeom i njegovim stoljećima starim
is-ought problemom kojim je jasno pokazao da se na osnovu činjenica da nekako jest ne mogu izvlačiti
zaključci kako bi trebalo biti. Drugim riječima iz same činjenice kao takve da homoseksualnost jest ili
nije "normalna"/"prirodna" (što god to za sad značilo) ne mogu se direktno izvlačiti normativne teze da
homoseksualnost jest ili nije socijalno ili moralno "prihvatljiva"/"ispravna". Npr. umjetnost i altruizam su
potpuno neprirodni pa nitko neće reći da su i "neispravni" isto kao što su silovanje (Žarko Puhovski) i
sebičnost (Richard Dawkins) sasvim prirodne stvari pa nitko neće reči du su i "ispravne".
No, napredni i razumni aktivisti ipak ne biraju takav put argumentacije za opravdavanje potpunog
izjednačavanja homoseksualnosti i heteroseksualnosti. Naprotiv, idu korak dalje i tvrde da je
homoseksualizam jednostavno biološka datost te samim time i nepromjenjiva osobina pojedinca.
Ignoriranje bazičnih logičkih problema u takvoj argumentaciji ("is-ought"/"open question" problem čak i
da homoseksualnost jest "znanstveno/medicinski normalna" te problem slobodne volje koji se javlja kod
pokušaja
potpunog
opravdanja
određenog
tipa
ponašanja
tobožnjom
biološkom
predeterminiranošću/"urođenom sklonošću", npr. piromanija, kleptomanija, pedofilija...) je zapravo manje
zabrinjavajući, "prosječnom čovjeku" se još donekle i može progledati kroz prste zbog takvih "finijih"
propusta. S druge strane, "zdrav razum" i opća naobrazba mi se čine kao sasvim dovoljni preduvjeti za
automatsko postavljanje pitanja kod bilo koga uistinu otvorenog istini: kako to da općenito bilo koju
promjenu u živom organizmu, urođenu ili stečenu, koja predstavlja poremećaj izvršavanja funkcije
odnosno namjene tog organizma ili njegovog dijela nazivamo upravo tako, _poremećaj_, osim kad su u
pitanju homoseksualne sklonosti? Tu pojam "namjene"/"svrhe" naravno ne koristim u aristotelovskoteleološkom smislu nego u smislu evolucijske prilagodbe. Kako je sam Richard Dawkins (koji u zamjenu
za "retardirane" judeo-kršćanske "božje" zapovijedi nudi svoje, jedna od kojih je "ne budite homofobi")
pokazao, (evolucijska) svrha svakog organizma (koji nije ništa drugo doli prijenosnik gena) jest isključivo
reprodukcija. Svi su dakle sustavi organizma podređeni tom osnovnom cilju. Sama ta činjenica dovoljna
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je da u potpunosti apsurdnom učini ideju da biološka/fizička promjena u višim organizmima sa spolnim
razmnožavanjem, a koja im onemugućava upravo to spolno razmnožavanje, ne predstavlja biološki
poremećaj (ako je već biološka datost). Dopusti da netko ipak smije bar malo posumnjati u tvrdnje i
"rezultate" "znanstvenih" ustanova, tako poptuno "slobodnih" od paradigmatskih pritisaka trenutnog
zeitgeista, koje "žmire" na tako očite logičke probleme u vlastitom rezoniranju.
Biološki poremećaj spolnosti sam po sebi ne implicira nužno "intrinzičnu neispravnost" (u smislu
Humeovog prigovora) ali je sasvim dovoljan da se npr. dovede u pitanje dozvola homoseksualnog braka s
posvajanjem (ili "proizvodnjom") djece jer ako još uvijek ne znamo mehanizme koji utječu na pojavu i
održanje homoseksualnosti kako onda možemo i pretpostaviti da ti isti mehanizmi (odnosno poremećaji
koje izazivaju) nemaju posljedice i na one srodne biološki urođene ili uvjetovane mehanizme koji služe
upravo podizanju djece/potomstva (npr. "majčinska ljubav").
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Šećer na kraju:
http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/rezultati-istrazivanja-jedina-obitelj-bez-nasilja-je-lezbijskaobitelj/522888.aspx
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Srećom vidio sam da je ovaj "šećer na kraju" netko već dobro analizirao. Uistinu moraš biti
"fundamentalist" "gay religije" da apriori veselo vjeruješ u takve "rezultate" (ili index.hr-u općenito kad
su u pitanju ideološke teme). Pa čak i "pro gay" izvori tvrde da je učestalost nasilja u LGBT zajednicama
jednaka
kao
u
tradicionalnim
obiteljima
(http://www.rainbowdomesticviolence.itgo.com
http://rohrbaughassociates.net/pdfs/same_sex.pdf)
Nasilničko ponašanje u istospolnoj zajednici na štetu G. B. http://www.iskorak.hr/wp-content/uploads/files/pt-prava2006.pdf
http://www.dnevno.hr/magazin/lifestyle/88560-najnovije-istrazivanje-djeca-gay-roditelja-su-zdravija-i-prilagodljivija.html
http://www.jutarnji.hr/istospolni-brakovi-i-djeca--djeci-s-dvije-mame-otac-ne-nedostaje--upravo-suprotno-/1013825
=naomi====================
Jedini relevantni, recentni i objektivni izvor znanstvenih istraživanja po kojem rade svi studenti
psihologije (među kojima sam nekad bila i ja) i medicine jest APA:
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Za teme bitne dominatnoj ideologiji APA (i psihološka i psihijatrijska) nažalost predstavlja sramotu
znanosti i nema problema s korištenjem Kinseyevih boleština i nebuloza. U maniri vrhunske znanosti
odbor koji odlučje npr. o "podobnosti" homoseksualnog braka sastavlja se od homoseksualaca i pobornika
"gay prava". Jedna od kojih je i gluha lezbijka koja svoju gluhost ne smatra poremećajem nego
"identitetom" (možda da doda još jedno veselo slovo na stalno rastuću xyzLGBTTIQQAčžš "skračenicu")
i _namjerno_ je, sa svojom isto tako gluhom lezbijskom partnericom (uz pomoć odgovarajućeg gluhog
donora naravno), začela i rodila _dvoje_ gluhe djece...!?!
http://www.narth.com/docs/apaendorses.html
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http://www.ascdeaf.com/professionals.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1916462.stm
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=25860
Uče li svi studenti i to da je APA 1994 i u novom DSM5 pokušala maknuti i pedofiliju iz liste mentalnih
poremećaja ili da to konačno i jest učinila za transseksualnost?
Što kažeš na DSM V (zbog kojeg farmaceutska industrija trlja ruke http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=eeEx1MqqE7M&feature=related)?
=naomi====================
Srećom, moji osobni stavovi su potpuno u skladu s ovim gore navedenim. :)
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Kako to misliš "srećom"? Da tvoji stavovi "nesrećom" nisu u skladu s navedenom "znanošću" i
dalje bi ih zadržala?
=naomi====================
Oh, to je itekako NARAVNO ako ti pišo reagira na drugog muškarca ili bi se volio maziti s njim.
Protunaravno je samo ako te isključivo privlače žene.
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Huh? Iz kojeg je to udžbenika biologije?
No kad smo već kod teme "naravnog zakona", stvarno ne bi škodilo da barem malo proučiš stvari koje
tako veselo želiš omalovažiti jer imaš masu karikatura u argumentaciji. "Čak i ja" koji često znam
kritizirati koncept naravnog zakona koji koristi katolička crkva znam da taj isti ipak nije svediv na
trivijalni prirodni moral (u smislu puke fizikalne prirode) da bi ga se samo tako otpisalo...
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law)
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Devijacija ne znači da im se ne da da odu u brak. Znamo da je homoseksualnost sasvim
prirodna pojava u mnogih vrsta i postoje teorije da je to način kako priroda sama kontrolira
populaciju. Ako žele u brak, super. Ako 2 muška odu u brak, manje konkurencije za mene ;) Ak
dvije žene odu u brak... TO je problem ^^
Devijacija ili ne, Ljudi su za ili protiv homoseksualnosti ne radi biblije nego radi toga što ju
sami mrze ili podržavaju. Zato postoje ljudi koji su ateisti i svejedno nisu za homoseksualne
brakove, i ljudi koji su katolici i podržavaju ih. Kao što rekoh, uopće nije pitanje u božjoj
riječi nego u ljudima. Što prije im se da da odu u brak, prije ćemo se riješit gay pride paradea
:)
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"Preostale veze između zakona o braku i ljudske prirode morat će biti prekinute."
"to je način na koji priroda kontrolira populaciju" lol? ...i mi ćemo toj "prirodnoj
kontracepcijskoj" metodi dozvoliti da se reproducira (ivf surogati)
http://anglicansamizdat.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/richard-dawkins-explains-how-the-gaygene-was-preserved http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDCAllQgS0
koliko je heteroseksualaca ikad zatražilo profesionalnu pomoć jer se nisu dobro osjećali kao
heteroseksualci pa su htjeli postati homoseksualci? (apaina borba protiv terapija liječenja
homoseksualnosti181) zašto su promjene fizičkog spola ok (čak i financirane osnovnim državnim
osiguranjem) ali promjene "seksualne orijentacije" nisu nego su "opasne"?
Kontradikcija – ako je mentalno zdravlje mogućnost normalnog funkcioniranja u društvu onda
to nije test za roditeljstvo jer upravo prema APAi pedofilija nije poremećaj sama po sebi nego
samo ako je sam pedofil zbog iste nesretan
ako homoseksualnost moramo tolerirati zato jer je urođena, onda moramo i vjeru jer
religioznost, prema vodećim ateističkim misliocima (Denett, Breaking the Spell ili Dawkins i
religija kao "virus uma"), ima evolucijsko/biološko objašnjenje (drugim riječima oprosti
nemogu si pomoć)...tko onda ima prednost? http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF07I18.pdf str 10
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/royal-college-of-psychiatrists-evidence-of-gay-marriageseriously-flawed-co
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/koji-roditelj-mi-nije-potreban-mama-ili-tata
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amygdala http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amigdala
http://www.narth.com/docs/normalization.html
“… Dr. Bieber pointed out that there were several other conditions in the DSM-II that did not
fulfill the “distress and social disability” criteria: voyeurism, fetishism, sexual sadism, and
masochism. A.P.A.’s Dr. Spitzer replied that these conditions should perhaps also be removed
from the DSM-II — and that if the sadists and fetishists were to organize as did the gay
activists, they, too, might find their conditions normalized…”
muškarac lezbijka
How many heterosexual parents, if given the choice between hetero or homo, would press a
button that would make their newborns homosexuals? I would suspect next to none. The truth
is: no heterosexual wants their children to be homosexual. They may love them however they
turn out, but that is not the same as not caring about their childs sexual identification.
"Maybe the time has come to let these people have their way? But they need to realize that
along with it come all the piles of sh*t too. Obviously they would have to include higher
medical premiums since we all know it fact that gay people get a few extra ailments that
come along with their lifestyle choice. They have drained millions upon millions with AIDS
research when it could have been completely prevented. Just do not let another man place
his penis inside you. Its quite simple.
181 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/uk-clients-not-allowed-to-ask-for-help-leaving-homosexuality-professional-t
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As for life insurance it is again obvious their rates would have to equal or even much higher
then smokers since their ailment know as AIDS will eventually kill them at a young age. I don't
see too many 80 year old homosexuals since they die younger from their ailments and their
partner reaps the benefits. Ever purchase life insurance or go to the hospital? After they get
your name one of the next questions is do you smoke? It is time both are ask, Do you smoke?
Are you gay?"
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-allissues/2010/winter/10-myths
Dr. Qazi Rahman, study co-author and a leading scientist on human sexual orientation, said:
"This study puts cold water on any concerns that we are looking for a single 'gay gene' or a
single environmental variable which could be used to 'select out' homosexuality — the factors
which influence sexual orientation are complex. And we are not simply talking about
homosexuality here — heterosexual behaviour is also influenced by a mixture of genetic and
environmental factors."
smijemo "dizajnirati gluhu djecu ali ne smijemo abortirati homoseksualnu djecu"
http://english-for-you.blogspot.com/2002/05/is-deafness-disability.html
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/233783/GROZD-izazvao-incident-kod-Jovanovica.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w-UjBf2L4c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67T8jmqhWjo
http://www.zupa-svkriz.hr/razno/teenstar_datumi.htm
http://www.gay.hr/forum/27444/kako-bi-svijet-izgledao-kad-bi-heteroseksualci-bili-manjina
terapeutske svrhe red light district
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-miller/the-coming-epidemic-is-hiv-really-what-killed-spencer-cox_b_2587136.html?
utm_hp_ref=fifty&ir=Fifty
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Cohen
http://www.personal.psu.edu/glm7/m238.htm
http://banap.net/spip.php?article70
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQjS9k6CmZM Warren Throckmorton
http://www.apftp.us/caleb/pdfs/0408.pdf born gay
http://drrobertepstein.com/downloads/Epstein-2007-Sexual_Orientation_Lies_Smoothly_on_a_Continuum.pdf
http://catholiccitizens.org/press/contentview.asp?c=34972
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2012/08/how-do-the-kids-of-homosexual-parents-turn-out-the-best-evidence
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2013/03/18/peds.2013-0377.full.pdf+html
http://www.narth.com/docs/insiders.html
http://www.wnd.com/2009/05/97940
http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/zssmenthel.HTM
http://defton.blog.hr/2011/05/1629237772/homoseksualnost-sa-znanstvenog-gledista-iiidio.html
http://blog.dnevnik.hr/hpstuttgart/2011/09/1629517212/pederi-u-ratu-protiv-znanosti.html
google: Professor Award (Nagrada za istaknutog profesora),
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/16/gay-parents-better-than-straights_n_1208659.html
http://www.mygenes.co.nz/PDFs/Ch10.pdf
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2011/08/18/salon-flubs-reporting-on-child-predators: "I just want to know why it even
exists.What purpose could it possibly serve" – evolucijsko objašnjenje
Object 2
"Gay parents (not that they’re the only ones) who deliberately have children who won’t know
their mother or father cannot make up for that."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bowie#Sexual_orientation "...interest in homosexual and bisexual culture...a product of...a
compulsion to flout moral codes..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_LGBT_rights
- "Scientific-Humanitarian Committee" za "znanstvenu" normalizaciju već 1897
- Engels: "turning smut into theory"
- (Schweitzer prvi sdp-ovac, gay:)
kinsey
http://www.thekinseysyndrome.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_ST0YPvnYI Absolute Wickedness The Kinsey Syndrome
http://www.drjudithreisman.com/archives/2005/08/sordid_science_2.html
http://www.hauntedamericatours.com/ghosts/AbbeyofThelema.php
http://www.jutarnji.hr/nova-hit-religija-uhollywoodu-sotonistickom-kultu-posvecenom-seksu-pristupila-rihanna-i-jay-z-koji-promice-sebicnost-/1098572
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpN_QTRcrVQ
Dossier - The ALEC Report on Alfred Kinsey
"Kinsey, The Man Who Has Changed the World" http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/newsletter/sp2008/zhoubook.html
http://www.wnd.com/2000/10/3065
http://www.movieguide.org/news-articles/the-kinseyplanned-parenthoodbig-pornography-morality-heist.html
The only unnatural sex act is that which you cannot perform.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/alfred_kinsey.html naturalistička pogreška
http://www.cwfa.org/content.asp?id=855
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goErqYtm0AE razgovor s Timothyem Tateom
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/hoce-li-kinseyev-perverzni-institut-dobit-savjetodavni-status-pri-un-u
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/122007-kinsey-je-obozavao-hitlera-i-bio-uvjeren-da-pripada-nacistickoj-supereliti.html
http://www.albany.edu/~scifraud/data/sci_fraud_4432.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/alfred-kinsey-was-a-pervert-and-a-sex-criminal
"čak i bolji od hetero roditelja"
"Unlike the majority of straights, however, any kids we have are planned for and wanted." - mi smo još
zapravo super
http://www.livescience.com/17913-advantages-gay-parents.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/16/gay-parents-better-than-straights_n_1208659.html
Mirela Holy @ TV Bujica 10.06.2013
http://www.tinolovka-news.com/vijesti-hrvatska/6430-dota-kod-stankovica-djeca-istospolnih-brakovaimaju-otvorenije-poglede-na-svijet
poricanje pedo poveznice http://gawker.com/inside-occupy-pedophilia-russias-largest-anti-gay-vig-1517366131
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWJk4ddUTbo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_village
Ex-gay – mit?
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/luca-je-bio-gay-a-sada-je-sa-njom
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/ispovijest-bivse-lezbijke
http://familypolicy.net/hope/?p=607
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-apa-president-i-know-of-hundreds-of-homosexuals-who-changed-their-or
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/07/30/sexual-reorientation-therapy-not-unethical-column/2601159
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/item/11640-former-apa-president-says-homosexuals-can-change
http://www.bpnews.net/bpnews.asp?ID=23786 ex-gay@apa
<svjedočanstva>
http://www.oneby1.org
http://www.voices-of-change.org
Michael Glatze
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/homoseksualnost-smrt-biram-zivot
www.nytimes.com/2011/06/19/magazine/my-ex-gay-friend.html
http://www.wnd.com/2007/07/42385/#rQPHsdUJYB2TOFLh.99
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http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2014/02/14/you-are-whatand-howyou-read
http://jameshartlinereport.blogspot.com/2008/09/how-i-overcame-30-years-of.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-porn-actor-left-it-all-for-jesus-after-near-death-experience
http://www.drpipim.org/homosexuality-contemporaryissues-47/68-testimony-from-an-ex-gay.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/domino-singer-comes-out...as-straight
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/club-unicorn-i-am-a-gay-devout-mormon-happily-married-to-a-woman-with-three
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/how-i-lost-my-gay-best-friend
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/this-homosexual-says-he-went-from-sex-addict-to-total-chastity.-heres-why
</svjedočanstva>
http://columbiachronicle.com/ex-gays-protest-book-bannings
http://www.wnd.com/2007/07/42379
http://www.lifesitenews.com/?/news/from-lesbian-atheist-to-stay-at-home-mother-of-six-quebec-journalist-tellshttp://queer.hr/24928/odluciti-biti-gej
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/01/cynthia-nixon-gay-by-choice
http://savecalifornia.com/not-born-this-way.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/born_gay_hoax/TheBornGayHoax.pdf
homo se ne može i ne smije liječiti ali trans problemi se trebaju "liječiti" operacijama
http://www.jutarnji.hr/dorino-manzin---seksualna-orijentacija-ne-moze-se-promijeniti-/155908 ali spol moze?
ZABRANA TERAPIJE
http://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/im-a-woman-but-30-years-ago-i-wore-a-tux-to-a-high-school-dance.-imagine-ho
http://www.redeemedlives.org/pdf/NEW25.PDF
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mayor-axes-gospel-singer-from-mlk-memorial-concert-because-he-is-an-exgay
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/left-guilty-of-arrogant-bullying-of-homophobia-law-opponents-italian-law-pr
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/homosexuality-due-to-acute-lack-of-love-in-childhood-gay-blogger-to-chiefi
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/chris-christie-signs-ban-on-reparative-therapy-liberty-counsel-promises-to
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/banning-reparative-therapy-for-gay-minors-is-a-form-of-child-abuse-formerh
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-lawmaker-to-christians-well-take-your-children
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/will-the-duck-dynasty-controversy-awaken-americans-to-the-homofascistjugge
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/uk-bill-proposes-to-ban-therapy-for-unwanted-same-sex-attractionscondemned
“Let’s get this straight,” Congresswoman Jackie Speier (D-CA) said, summing up gay activists’ objections to the
ex-gay movement: “Being gay, lesbian [or] transgender is not a disease to be cured or a mental health issue to
be treated.”
opravdanje posljedicama terapije – dvosjekli mač, što je s posljedicama promocije nezdravog životnog stila i
stigmatizacije onih koji se žele toga osloboditi?
https://c-fam.org/friday_fax/lgbts-tell-tall-tales-un-torture-committee
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-jersey-judge-tells-christian-group-they-cant-call-homosexuality-a-disor
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/psychology-today-bans-ads-for-treatment-of-unwanted-same-sex-attraction
ZABRANA TERAPIJE ALI
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/evangelical-human-rights-head-fights-to-restore-reparative-therapy-for-homo
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/therapists-ask-chris-christie-to-veto-reparative-therapy-ban
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt13/therapy_bill_hearing_071613/announce.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/california-senate-approves-ban-on-same-sex-attraction-therapy-for-minors
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/zbog-cega-homoseksualni-brak-znaci-ukidanje-heteroseksualnih-prava
http://www.conservapedia.com/Richard_Dawkins_and_Jesse_Kilgore#cite_note-9
http://www.wnd.com/2008/11/81459
"If there were truly such a beast as "the gay gene" proving people were "born this way", it would have been bred out
of the population eons ago by natural selection, which of course favours sexual reproduction rather than sexual
orientation."
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ex-gay-group-files-sexual-orientation-discrimination-complaint-with-departm
By that logic, people who are heterosexual until their 40's or 50's (often having lived in heterosexual marriages) whom
then decide to become homosexual are "not real"? They aren't ex-straight? Which is it, you can't have it both ways.
Or would you say that a homosexual who chooses to conduct themselves as a heterosexual forever more is lying, "not
real", and is still homosexual; or some nebulous "bi". Yet, a heterosexual who chooses to become homosexual is
always deemed to be wonderful and authentic and "true to themselves".
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So it works only one way? Once "gay", always "gay"? But not once "straight" always "straight"? Or is it that anyone
who changes, even once, is "bi", whatever that useless term means?
If you don't believe in "ex-straights", you are denying Ellen's flame Anne Heche who stated on Oprah (1) that she
wasn't even one iota lesbian before meeting Ellen, and that she had slept with 95 men. You are also denying the
thousands of women's testimonies on the internet and mainstream news on how they became lesbians only after
divorce from their husbands at a late age.
This is a common tactic of the homosexualists and a major factor for the inclusion of "Q" for Questioning in the
LGBTQXYZ alphabet soup. It is intended to pull under their wing anyone who doesn't always feel 100%
heterosexual. You're 13 and confused, as all 13 year olds are? Well, my boy, you are Questioning and must come and
join our GSA and hang out with homosexuals until you determine you are one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2LVosIS8mY (Ellen on Oprah) 3:37
http://www.amazon.com/Washed-Waiting-Reflections-Faithfulness-Homosexuality/dp/0310330033
<third way>
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/this-new-film-on-being-gay-and-catholic-just-might-blow-your-mind
</third way>
Đender trans | Gender in the blender
tata john money
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money
http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/library/money.html
http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon_03_08_05ef.html
http://www.indiana.edu/~kinsey/publications/duberman.html
http://fizzit.net/vijesti-i-politika/komentari-i-kolumne/4390-znanstvenik-a-ne-zlocinac-1
http://www.sezamweb.net/hr/rodne-uloge-i-identitet
http://www.sezamweb.net/attach/_s/sexnaex.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Gender_Institute
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/ni-ona-ni-on-nego-ono
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lgbtqia-the-expanding-gender-agenda
reductio ad absurdum: kontra stereotipa a u praksi upravo karikaturna razina stereotipa 'drugog spola' kod transera...
http://psychologyofwellbeing.com/201110/men-are-better-at-math.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/izlaz-iz-slijepe-ulice-rodne-teorije-2-2
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/ministarstvo-zdravlja-rh-i-transeksualna-iluzija
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/parents-sue-school-district-for-not-allowing-6-yr-old-son-to-use-girls-rest
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/psychiatrist-keith-ablow-ill-keep-speaking-out-against-transgenderism-despi
treći rod identifikacija (australija, putovnice) – kao da su otisci prstiju besmisleni zato jer ih neki nemaju
Manje je trulo u državi šarenoj
http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2013/09/report-lgbt-youth-face-higher-rate-of-dating-abuse-than-straight-peers
http://www.baywindows.com/Vigil-will-remember-victims-of-LGBT-domestic-violence-raise-awareness
http://tnlr.org/resources/for-survivors
http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/412892-Dating-Violence-Experiences-of-Lesbian-Gay-Bisexual-and-TransgenderYouth.pdf
http://www.massresources.org/domestic-violence-agencies.html
http://gmdvp.org
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/effects_of_ssm_2012/#dom_violence
=naomi====================
Transseksualnost je poremećaj...
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114
Zanimljivo. Transseksualnost je i dalje, prema "vodećim zdravstvenim organizacijama", poremećaj (tj. Od
nedavno za APA-u po DSM5, gle čuda, nije). Poremećaj koji nema tipično fizički mjerljive manifestacije,
kojemu se još točno ne zna uzrok i koji onemogućuje onima koji od njega "boluju" "normalne"/"prirodne"
odnose s osobama suprotnog "fizičkog" spola (pa time i reprodukciju). Drugim riječima nešto vrlo slično
homoseksualnosti s tom iznimkom da jedno jest a drugo nije poremećaj. Možeš li molim te pojasniti
nama zatucanim natražnjacima zašto to ne predstavlja kontradikciju (odnosno potpuni debakl "znanosti"
koja je ustuknula pred ideološkim pritiscima)?
Pretilost, nesanica i povišeni šećer su poremećaji, impotencija, frigidnost i neplodnosti su poremećaji,
erekcija/vlaženje na isti spol nije poremećaj...umm..."pardon the pun" ali tko tu koga??
Kada je heteroseksualnom paru potrebna umjetna oplodnja, donor ili surogat to ukazuje na poremećaj, s
druge strane, svim je homoseksualnim zajednicama potrebno jedno ili više od navedenog i to ukazuje
na...umm..."'bogatstvo različitosti u jednakosti' tog 'identiteta'"??
=naomi====================
Transseksualnost je poremećaj sve do onog trenutka do kojeg rodni i spolni identitet ne postanu
izjednačeni, dakle - do promjene spola.
Nemoguće je izmijeniti naše unutarnje stanje i našu pravu prirodu, ali je moguće izmijeniti fizičku
manifestaciju.
Još uvijek ne u savršenoj mjeri budući genitalije ne funkcioniraju savršeno. Nekima je to nevažno, a
nekima je važno da zadrže osjet pa ostavljaju samo genitalije u prvobitnom stanju.
==========================
Znači nakon promjene spola osoba posjeduje ili disfunkcionalne ili "krive" genitalije ali to više nije
"poremećaj"? Iako u svakoj stanici dotične osobe piše da je dotična osoba/čovjek žena a on/a tvrdi da je
muškarac?
Kako to da jednoj tako "progresivnoj, objektivnoj i znanstveno osviještenoj osobi" nije jasno odnosno
poznato da "spolni identitet" određuju kromosomi a ne spolni organi – isti je, dakle, u trenutku začeća
upisan u baš svaku stanicu našeg tijela..?
U svakom slučaju još jedna zanimljiva kontradikcija: homoseksualnost je biološka datost (gay dogma) i
zbog toga je (po nekoj vašoj logici) nepromjenjiva...s druge strane, istovremeno, i spol je biološka datost
(evidentna činjenica) ali on pak jest stvar osobnog izbora (LGBT dogma)..?
Kako je nemoguće 'promijeniti naše unutarnje stanje' kad ljudi svjedoče da je moguće, i to u oba smjera.
Npr. neki tvrde da su postali 'trans' kao direktna posljedica seksualnog zlostavljanja u djetinjstvu.
Jesu li i "trans-identified", "transgender", "two-spirited", "intersexed", "queer", “pansexual”,
“genderqueer”, "genderfuck", ... "znanstveni" pojmovi koje "jednostavno moramo" prihvatiti
da bi bili prihvaćeni u ("inkluzivno") društvo?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/01/14/all-wrong-in-california-girls-can-use-urinals-in-boys-restroom
115
"...somatoparaphrenia. That is, there are certain individuals who have suffered a psychotic break with reality and will insist that
their left arm, or right foot, or penis, is not “really” theirs, that it’s someone else’s arm, they’re somehow “not supposed” to
have a right foot. The therapist can show them that the limb is seamlessly attached to their bodies with no sign of a scar. They
can demonstrate that they have sensation in it and it follows them wherever they go, yet the delusion is fixed: “that’s not my
leg.”
We don’t treat these people by sawing their legs off. We give them antipsychotic medication and therapy. Unless it’s the penis
that they’re insisting isn’t theirs–that, for some reason, is different.”
=naomi====================
Nemoguće je izmijeniti naše unutarnje stanje i našu pravu prirodu, ali je moguće izmijeniti fizičku
manifestaciju.
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A što ako mi jesmo odnosno zar mi i nismo u potpunosti samo "fizička manifestacija"?
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{{J}} Seksualna revolucija++ pužnice-"The only unnatural sex act is that which you cannot perform."
Alfred Kinsey
“If anyone says that sex, in itself, is bad, Christianity contradicts him at once.
But, of course, when people say, “Sex is nothing to be ashamed of,” they may
mean “the state into which the sexual instinct has now got is nothing to be
ashamed of.” If they mean that, I think they are wrong. I think it is everything
to be ashamed of. There is nothing to be ashamed of in enjoying your food:
there would be everything to be ashamed of if half the world made food the
main interest of their lives and spent their time looking at pictures of food
and dribbling and smacking their lips.”
C.S. Lewis (1952)
"Nekada se po gej forumima zgražalo nad navodnim 'golim guzicama' na Povorci
ponosa, kao i nad navodnoj vulgarnosti iste (iako je realnost takva da je
povorka Zagreb Pridea, nažalost, jedna od vizualno najkonzervativnijih u
Europi i svijetu), a Zagreb Pride je onda 2010. gole guzice odlučio staviti na
svoj plakat."182
Gordan Duhaček, manifest Zagreb Pridea u Zarezu
"Ta vrsta slobode koja se tamo očituje na partijima, ta seksualna oslobođenost
i u Americi je nezamisliva. Ta otvorenost Berlina koja se nekome može činiti
Sodomom i Gomorom jest oblik života koji je zapravo prekrasan."183
Dražen Ilinčić, hrvatski novinar i pisac, homoseksualac
“It’s what we do with our naked bodies that kept us gays down for so long...”
"Those who have a problem with nakedness at the parade can 'stay home' with their
children and watch on TV 'more palatable aspects of our world' such as 'priests raping
children...'”184
Danny Glenwright,
managing editor at the homosexual news agency DailyXtra
182 http://www.gay.hr/forum/viewtopic.php?p=268825 + franko dota...
183 http://www.vecernji.hr/drazen-ilincic-nikada-nisam-imao-problema-zato-sto-sam-gay-906094
184 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/toronto-school-trustees-threaten-to-back-out-of-pride-unless-city-enforces
117
“Our culture has become soft. We suppose that sex is too trivial to require virtue, yet
we also believe it is so significant that to suggest any restraint upon its consensual
exercise is an affront to the most important fount of human dignity.”185
Anthony Esolen
“Premarital sex is an unquestionable rule [in Croatia], as well as the right to sexual
pleasure. This is especially true for the younger generations, brought up on
Hollywood movies and teen sequels, MTV, and, recently, a local edition of
Cosmopolitan magazine.”186
Štulhy&Kinsey eqipa
Engels: "turning smut into theory" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_LGBT_rights
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/this-is-the-true-face-of-the-sexual-revolution.-iapologize-in-advance
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/08/liberalism-radicalized-the-sexualrevolution-multiculturalism-and-the-rise-of-identity-politics
=prodotes=================
A sada, za one fore tipa polu-golo izrazavanje, ili cak kruze slike netom od nekih koji pored
wca vrše oralni seks jedan na drugom, to sada nije krivica gay-pridea, to su poremećeni
individualci, ko i oni anti-gay koji su bacali kamenje.
==========================
Poremećeni individualci? Nije li zadrto i diskriminirajuće nazivati različite forme izražavanja
slobode i ljubavi poremećajem?
"In-your-face sexuality is the point of the damn thing..."187
I na osnovu čega tvrdiš da to nije krivica gay-pridea? Postoji li kakav službeni "LGBTTIQ
ćudoredni kodeks" i izjava organizatora i/ili kojeg od gay-ideologa koja se od toga ograđuje i
praktični dokaz da su ih u tim činima pokušali spriječiti (i.e. netolerirati)?
Znam samo za davne istupe Dorina Manzina:
"To mi je bilo potpuno neprihvatljivo, takva slika nije uopće bila primjerena za Pride. Sve je
izgledalo kao da su se okupili obožavatelji Staljina i nudisti." 188
"...Pravni [je] tim [Iskoraka], prema njegovu mišljenju, malo preozbiljno shvatio svoju ulogu
te je "počeo sumanuto dizati kaznene prijave protiv svakoga koji nešto zucne" 189.
Nakon tih izjava i događaja on je morao "iskoračiti" iz Iskoraka..što zajedno s ovim iznad
pokazuje kakvu zapravo "toleranciju" i "pluralizam mišljenja" gaje u Iskoraku.
185 http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/04/12443
186 http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/ccies/hr.php
187 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/in-your-face-sexuality-is-the-point-of-the-damn-thing-toronto-columnist-on
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lets-get-naked-this-pride-gay-editor-defends-nudity-at-torontos-family-frie
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vancouver-police-officials-would-not-uphold-laws-against-public-nudity-at-p
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/i-attended-ottawa-pride.-heres-what-i-saw
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/toronto-school-trustees-threaten-to-back-out-of-pride-unless-city-enforces
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/toronto-trustee-mocks-prides-nudity-critics-new-babies-shamelessly-and-shoc
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/heres-rob-ford-hating-toronto-gay-pride-parade-photo-journal
188 http://www.jutarnji.hr/dorino-manzin-zeli-postati-otac/209909
189 http://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/dorino-manzin-zbog-sukoba-unutar-udruge-napustio-iskorak/336389.aspx
http://www.jutarnji.hr/sukobili-se-manzin-i-bivsi-clanovi-iskoraka/169397
118
Drugi je pak problem što, koliko mi je poznato, nije objasnio zašto su te stvari
"neprihvatljive". Sjećam se jedino njegove izjave kod Malnara u Noćnoj mori 190 u smislu "da se
time samo još više potiče averzija kod ostalog građanstva", a to zapravo ne znači da je to
doista/samo po sebi neprihvatljivo nego da su samo nestrpljivci "sklisku kosinu" previše
nakosili i da cijelu stvar građanstvo treba progutati u manjim dozama napretka.
Dakle, kako u LGBTIQ "teoriji" i svjetonazorima koji ju podržavaju tako ni u primjeru Dorina,
kao "umjerenjačkog disidenta" (koji svejedno drži da problem što homoseksualci ne mogu
imati djecu nije u njihovoj homoseksualnosti nego u diskriminatornom zakonu o umjetnoj
oplodnji i ne vidi ništa sporno u tome da postane otac iako mu nije do djece ni do žena nego
samo da "pomogne" "diskriminiranim" ženama koje žele dijete...kao da je dijete "čokolada za
zaslađivanje života" na koju imaš "pravo") ne mogu naći (racionalno/objektivno) opravdanje
za nazivanje javnog izražavanja slobode, radosti i ljubavi jednom 69kom "poremećenim
ponašanjem"...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/04/art-school-virginity_n_5084148.html
http://magazin.net.hr/brak-veze/veze/prijatelj-s-povlasticama-novi-seksualni-trend-medju-mladima
http://webcafe.net.hr/svastara/foto-mozda-je-vama-grozno-ali-oni-vole-bas-tako
http://narod.hr/eu/u-ljubljanskim-klubovima-sve-vise-droge-za-silovanje
http://www.aleteia.org/en/health/article/12-ways-that-kids-are-harmed-by-living-with-a-cohabiting-parent5794948628611072
pr0n
"Never before in the history of telecommunications media in the United States
has so much indecent (and obscene) material been so easily accessible by so
many minors in so many American homes with so few restrictions." 191
US Department of Justice, 1996
http://yourbrainonporn.com
http://www.yourbrainrebalanced.com
https://thepinkcross.org
At the 2003 meeting of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers, a gathering of the
nation’s divorce lawyers, attendees revealed that 58% of their divorces were a result of a
spouse looking at excessive amounts of pornography online.
http://www.xxxchurch.com
http://reclaimsexualhealth.com
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gq-magazine-tells-men-quit-watching-porn-before-it-ruins-your-sex-life
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/irony-alert-miley-cyrus-says-guys-watch-too-much-porn
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-gay-porn-star-tells-the-truth-about-pornography
http://dailyxtra.com/toronto/arts-and-entertainment/film-and-video/think-can
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/13-year-old-boy-pleads-guilty-after-trying-out-porn-moves-on-8-year-old-sis
The Sexual Revolution Begets Child Strippers http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32861
http://www.crol.hr/portal/zdravlje-seksualnost/seks/4045-mue-vas-seksualni-tabui-pobijedite-ih.html
Porn Use and Supporting Same-Sex Marriage http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/12/7048
http://www.sugardaddy.org.uk
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6258291.stm
http://www.familysafemedia.com/pornography_statistics.html
http://astore.amazon.com/gaylesbiissue-20/detail/0982008910
http://www.city-data.com/forum/non-romantic-relationships/1794427-has-porn-destroyed-our-society-we.html
190 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Rph1caX1Y
191 http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/cda/cleaver-cyberchaos.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bishop-issues-letter-on-the-epidemic-plague-of-porn-calls-on-men-to-recommi
119
https://www.shelleylubben.com
http://www.recoveryranch.com/articles/sex-addiction/more-attorneys-say-internet-pornography-a-factor-indivorce
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-porn-actor-left-it-all-for-jesus-after-near-death-experience
http://wespeakfortheearth.tumblr.com/post/42390068064/porn-statistics
16 million sex addicts
From Act Up to the WTO
- str. 202 we're in danger http://books.google.hr/books?
id=pQwjkPBHQQYC&pg=PA103&lpg=PA103&dq=&source=bl&ots=0FDP90OEt2&sig=wCY1_a9khR1j8xneI702Tr9E_NU
&hl=hr&sa=X&ei=K9eST8gNiPOyBonhudUE&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
- str. 105 closed bathhouses suck http://books.google.hr/books?
id=pQwjkPBHQQYC&pg=PA103&lpg=PA103&dq=&source=bl&ots=0FDP90OEt2&sig=wCY1_a9khR1j8xneI702Tr9E_NU
&hl=hr&sa=X&ei=K9eST8gNiPOyBonhudUE&redir_esc=y#
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/scandinavian-hotel-chain-removes-porn-from-its-tvs-replaces-with-art-channe
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/porn-is-super-empowering-just-ask-the-duke-university-porn-star
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/hugh-hefners-dirty-little-secret
http://www.dnevno.hr/techno/znanost/97416-mozak-ovisnika-o-pornografiji-reagira-isto-kao-kod-narkomana-ilialkoholicara.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vjera/svjedocanstva/95273-video-ted-bundy-posljednji-intervju-serijskog-ubojice-je-li-mu-bogoprostio.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vjera/brak-i-obitelj/87186-godinama-sam-bio-ovisnik-o-pornografiji-sada-napokon-slobodan-i-sretancovjek.html
http://www.bitno.net/obitelj/spolnost/10-cinjenica-o-stetnosti-pornografije-koje-morate-znati
http://www.bitno.net/mulitmedija/video-ispovijest-bivsa-porno-glumica-govori-o-svom-obracenju
http://www.covenanteyes.com/2011/09/07/the-connections-between-pornography-and-sex-trafficking
http://www.reformedprolifer.com/articles-papers/item/porn-goes-to-church
http://www.reformedprolifer.com/articles-papers/item/stop-struggling-with-porn
http://www.safetynet.co.nz/Stats.html
http://static.squarespace.com/static/51f6891ce4b0e0e87a80aa20/t/5277acb3e4b0a23a823e685b/1383574707148/Teen%20Talk
%202%20-%20Teens%20and%20Pornography.pdf
http://www.isupportcarenet.org/Documents/Parent_Primer_Internet_Pornography1.pdf
http://www.radicalparents.com/2013/10/11/parental-controls
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/porn-channels-face-crtc-review-for-lack-of-canadian-content
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1ifNaNABY (The Economocs of Sex)
http://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/wrong-jennifer-lawrence-real-men-dont-need-porn-and-women-dont-need-to-give
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/inside-the-sex-trade-new-study-exposes-the-economics-and-societal-trends-be
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/hook-ups-binge-drinking-and-violent-porn-and-were-surprised-by-campus-rape
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/fighting-porn-isnt-anti-sex-its-profoundly-pro-sex-and-pro-woman
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/she-watched-400-hours-of-porn.-now-shes-given-it-up-completely-and-helping
nofap
http://nofapsolideo.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/the-physiology-and-endocrinology-of-sexual-arousal
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/65000-reddit-users-flock-to-forum-founded-by-atheist-to-quit-pornography-ma
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/will-a-reddit-forum-change-the-world-this-catholic-and-recovering-porn-addi
<nesortirano>
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/ekonomija-seksa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1ifNaNABY
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/google-reverses-itself-wont-block-porn-on-blogger-from-public-searches-afte
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/90-percent-of-unmarried-couples-with-babies-will-break-up-by-babys-teens-st
https://www.thepinkcross.org/pinkcross-forums/general-discussion/porn-induced-impotence-pandemic-10-5-7-article-drjudith-reisman
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/study-women-no-matter-how-promiscuous-don8217t-want-promiscuous-girlfriends
http://www.dnevno.hr/vjera/svjedocanstva/84433-video-najcesci-uzroci-smrti-porno-zvijezda.html
http://katoliksdnakace.blogspot.com/2012/02/seksualna-revolucija-bilo-kuda-seks.html
http://katoliksdnakace.blogspot.com/2012/02/seksualna-revolucija-bilo-kuda-seks_08.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/87220-procurila-najcuvanija-tajna-sad-a-svake-godine-10-700-prijavljenihhomoseksualnih-silovanja-u-vojsci.html
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http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/88328-ovako-izgleda-cokoladni-anus-najpopularniji-poklon-na-domacoj-gay-sceni.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/88311-video-pogledajte-kako-izgleda-kada-se-pretjera-s-ljudskim-pravima-new-yorkpodsjetio-zene-da-mogu-hodati-u-toplesu.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/magazin/lifestyle/90448-video-na-poslu-pustio-pornic-koji-se-preko-10-minuta-prikazivao-na-velikomekranu-na-zeljeznickoj-stanici.html
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/dec/25/fathers-disappear-from-households-across-america/print
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/christians-defeat-planned-parenthood-condom-casual-sex-campaign-in-estonia
http://supermen.tportal.hr/seks/276474/One-su-lude-za-bottomlessom.html http://supermen.tportal.hr/seks/272588/Ovog-ljetau-modi-je-bottomless.html
http://queer.hr/34087/suka-off-gledatelji-ne-zele-biti-suoceni-s-boli-krvlju-ili-erekcijom-a-to-su-u-biti-normalne-i-zdravestvari
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/svijet/180920/sok-u-Francuskoj-zbog-seksualiziranosti-djevojcica.html
http://www.naslovi.net/2011-08-05/domino/hiperseksualizacija/2719340
http://www.urbancult.hr/u-francuskoj-pokrenuta-rasprava-o-hiperseksualizaciji-djece-9569.aspx
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/study-more-than-half-of-christian-men-look-at-porn-at-least-once-a-month
stražnja strana
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/gay-prirucnik-udruge-iskorak
http://www.gay.hr/magazin/505
http://www.nacional.hr/clanak/78101/hnd-presudio-u-korist-baretica-iskorak-je-na-prijevaru-utrosio-novac-izproracuna
http://www.nacional.hr/clanak/71270/reakcija-queer-zagreba-straznja-strana-iskoristena-za-homofobno-pljuvanje
http://www.libela.org/vijesti/1065-straznja-strana-na-udaru-institucija
http://www.crol.hr/portal/forum/viewtopic.php?p=209007&sid=bd83eef1eb1dd636d6004a7cf5aeadad
http://www.gay.hr/forum/viewtopic.php?p=99800
http://www.gay.hr/magazin/9002 http://www.slideshare.net/andrijalobin/lgbt-15860017 ispod slica
"Ministarstvo zdravstva i socijalne skrbi, Ured za ljudska prava Vlade Republike Hrvatske, Grad Zagreb - Gradski
ured za zdravstvo i branitelje, počinili su barem kazneni prekršaj":
"«Ovdje ćeš naći sve ono što nitko nije objasnio u školi(dakako, i na vjeronauku!, nap. a.).
Sve što ćeš trebati znati o svojoj guzici-ali i njegovoj.
Pazi, nauči kako ju(guzicu) održati čistom, zdravom i PRIVLAČNOM!»
Uz ispriku zbog napisanih prostota, navest ću samo jedan mali dio 'uputstava o korištenju guzice' pa procijenimo sami
o kakvom se pederskom 'ponosu i dostojanstvu' radi; dakle, citiram:
«Tvoja guzica nije namijenjena samo sjedenju i sranju. Dapače, puna je osjetljivih živčanih završetaka koji ti mogu
pružiti užitak. Seks koji uključuje guzicu je nekim ljudima još uvijek tabu tema. No, jesi se ikad zapitao što oni
propuštaju?! Evo primjera nekih užitaka povezanih s dupetom. No zapamti-ništa od toga nije obavezno. Ti sam biraš
što osjećaš da ti paše.
Prstovanje
Guranje prsta u nečiji šupak je sjajna predigra, kroz masiranje prostate ili pripremanje guzice za ulazak nečeg većeg.
No, obavezno podmaži prst i skrati nokte, kako ne bi došlo do ozljede ili boljelo…..(preporuka je navući latexrukavice!).
Jesi li znao?
Ako netko svrši dok je tvoj prst u njegovoj guzici, mišić sfinktera će se stisnuti oko tvog prsta. Stoga, pričekaj dok se
ne opusti prije nego izvučeš prst….»"
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/french-catholic-group-loses-case-against-blasphemous-art-work
http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553
Normalno je, čini se, da u središnjem dnevniku HRT-a (u zaostaloj našoj dakle) bude prikazan prilog o Davidu Bowieu kao
istinski slobodnom čovjeku koji je srušio okove roda, seksualnih tabua i moralnih normi.192
192 negdje u drugoj polovici 3. mjeseca 2013, nađi...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bowie#Sexual_orientation
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21897627
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/07/david-bowie-gay-affair-mick-jagger-wife-bed-new-book
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http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=1878
http://oregonmag.com/BarberGaySFEvent1007.html
http://www.hicktownpress.com/miller-brewing-supports-perverted-group-who-attacks-christians
http://americansfortruth.com/2007/09/25/sodom-gomorrah-would-blush-homosexual-sadists-mock-jesus-with-lastsupper-take-off-in-poster-for-folsom-street-fair
http://americansfortruth.com/2008/09/28/labarbera-folsom-street-fair-is-another-marker-of-a-nation-in-steep-decline
http://americansfortruth.com/2007/10/03/tolerance-gone-wild-in-san-francisco-as-cops-stand-by-amidst-folsom-streetfairs-public-perversions-and-widespread-nudity
http://americansfortruth.com/2008/09/26/san-francisco-gaystapo-tries-to-shout-down-pro-family-press-conference
http://americansfortruth.com/2008/07/30/nudity-fills-san-francisco-streets-again-as-cops-look-on-and-do-nothing-atup-your-alley-street-fair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_Your_Alley_Fair
http://americansfortruth.com/2008/08/26/san-francisco-mayor-gavin-newsom-puts-friendly-welcome-letter-in-superraunchy-folsom-street-fair-program
http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/part_1_full/index.php
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/88435-moderna-sodoma-i-gomora-pogledajte-koje-sve-izopacene-perverzijepromovira-seksualna-revolucija.html
ali http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unreasonablefaith/2011/03/anti-gay-pastor-arrested-for-masturbating-in-public-park-in-frontof-children (ako djeca smiju zašto ne bi on)
christopher street day https://www.google.de/search?
q=christopher+street+day&rlz=1C1TEUA_enDE536DE537&espv=210&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=FI6d
UoS-JIavygOg-4C4Bw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=666
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/worldpride-2014-toronto-taxpayers-to-double-funding-for-state-backed-celebr
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/13a/PVPA-play-031513/protest.html
http://www.southerndecadence.net
google Toronto Pride pics http://torontoist.com/2008/06/30_news
{
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/30/2012-dyke-march http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/sunsprod-images/1340757080148_ORIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&size=650x
"There is one picture of a sub leather clad dyke, with the head gear and ball gag in her mouth pulling the dom with a
whip in a rickshaw. And in the background a sign can be seen that says "my girlfriend calls me daddy". Just perfect
for the kids to see!" - "As far as Tiana Kamington is concerned, you can never be too young for the Dyke March.
That’s why she and her wife Lauren brought their one-year-old daughter to the annual lesbian and transgendered
parade Saturday, a prelude to the Pride Parade on Sunday.
“She was in the parade last year when she was 19 days old,” said Tiana, 29, said as the couple marched down Yonge
St. with little Mataya in their arms."
}
http://www.aztlan.net/homosexuals_sodomize_jesus_christ.htm
http://www.bathhouseblues.com/glory_hole.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqq2a79B7sc&feature=relmfu (youth pride)
http://www.index.hr/images2/gaypride_HP3.jpg
http://www.24sata.hr/news/antonija-bilic-je-neizravna-zrtva-splitskog-gay-pridea-267230
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/histerija_oko_gay_parade_podsjeca_na__jogurt_revoluciju_iz_bivse_drzave/750228.ht
ml
http://sexualities.sagepub.com/content/9/3/363.short The ‘Pinking’ of Viagra Culture: Drug Industry Efforts to Create and
Repackage Sex Drugs for Women
1984 i Vrli novi svijet, dvije arhetipne i naoko suprotstavljene193 distopije, obje se oslikavaju u LGBTTIQQ "rights" pokretu.
Inkluzivna LGBTTIIQQ revolucija samo je nastavak, slijedeći logičan korak seksualne revolucije
http://www.kriz-zivota.com/zoom/5234/kritike_papi_zbog_homoseksualnosti
http://www.zamirzine.net/spip.php?article2713
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/french-catholic-group-loses-case-against-blasphemous-art-work
193 Ljevičarska/marksistička diktatura vs liberalna/relativistička diktatura "društva sreće".
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http://www.dnevno.hr/magazin/lifestyle/84689-spanjolska-politicarka-iz-osvete-pozirala-u-toplesu.html
http://www.crol.hr/portal/zdravlje-seksualnost/seks/4045-mue-vas-seksualni-tabui-pobijedite-ih.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2007/aug/07082803
http://www.queerty.com/german-courts-rule-11-year-old-trans-girl-can-be-institutionalized-against-mothers-wishes-20120327
http://queer.hr/115/audiovizualno-predavanje-o-razvoju-gay-pornografije
http://queer.hr/20393/golotinjologija-s-vlastitim-golim-tijelom-cinim-sto
http://www.genderacrossborders.com/2012/04/10/gender-equality-too-far-or-not-far-enough
http://www.jutarnji.hr/psihijatar-goran-arbanas--ni-jedan-covjek-nije-u-potpunosti-heteroseksualan-ni-homoseksualan/719509
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/black_book/black_book_inside.html
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/explicit-nhs-website-promotes-under-age-sex
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/13-year-olds-given-contraceptive-implants-at-school
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/government-must-ensure-pleasurable-sex-for-women-philippines-senator
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/parliamentary-conference-calls-for-urgent-action-to-tackle-child-sexualisation
http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/sexual-orientation/boris-johnson-pledges-%C2%A3650000-for-london-gaypride
http://www.keywesttorquay.co.uk/health-club.php daddyhole
http://www.tportal.hr/lifestyle/zdravlje/222004/Ovako-se-prakticira-siguran-seks.html
http://queer.hr/15456/emis-objavio-rezultate-najveceg-istrazivanja-o-seksualnim-praskama-gej-muskaraca
http://www.teenink.com/hot_topics/health/article/268790/Sexual-Revolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_revolution
http://queer.hr/885/cumming-together-staying-together
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/shes-not-mine
http://ontology.buffalo.edu/smith/clinton/sex.html
http://hot.net.hr/sexy/trikovi/zbog-ovog-se-isplati-teziti-tome-da-budete-poput-porno-zvijezda
http://hot.net.hr/sexy/trikovi/vrijeme-je-da-vase-mastarije-postanu-stvarnost
http://enriquesantos.com/adult-film-industry-shut-down-after-five-porn-stars-test-positive-for-syphilis
http://www.cosmopolitan.hr/clanci/seks/pravila-za-seks-za-jednu-noc
http://danas.net.hr/svijet/profesoricu-suspendirali-zbog-golisavih-fotki-na-twitteru
http://webcafe.net.hr/svastara/video-pornhubova-reklama-koja-je-zabranjena-na-televiziji
http://webcafe.net.hr/svastara/video-vozac-autobusa-putnicima-pustio-pornic
http://webcafe.net.hr/bizzar/bilo-bi-bolje-da-ove-reklame-za-erektilnu-disfunkciju-nismo-vidjeli
http://www.glapn.org/sodomylaws/usa/massachusetts/manews09.htm
http://www.samesexmarriage.org.au/the-deception/gay-marriage-strategic-generational-dishonest.html
http://www.samesame.com.au/news/international/8882/Gay-friendly-church-We-dont-care-whos-on-top.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/jan/07/obscene-publications-act-future-doubt
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peggy-drexler/the-scarlet-manifesto-the_b_1963499.html
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/welcome-to-liberal-america
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJjEcVl6PqY no pants subway
https://twitter.com/DeepakChopra/status/252777215014608896
http://www.tportal.hr/kultura/knjizevnost/234325/Hrvatski-najlezbijski-trenuci-godine.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/06/anal-sex-heterosexual-couples-report_n_1190440.html
tportal frajer superguza godine
Jenna Talackova
AshleyMadison Offers $1 Million To Prove Tim Tebow Is NOT A Virgin
http://www.walnet.org/jane_doe/news/toronto_99/natpost-990810.html
http://www.radiosarajevo.ba/novost/98435/Najljigavije-seksi-reklame-u-2012-godini porn zarada
http://www.webring.org/l/rd?ring=prolife;url=http://lexcred.wordpress.com/2012/12/04/disturbing-sex-ed-program-beingadopted-by-many-texas-school-systems
http://queer.hr/16546/kujologija-recite-da-kuji-u-sebi
http://www.tportal.hr/lifestyle/sexfiles/230054/Protiv-AIDS-a-javnom-masturbacijom.html
http://www.tportal.hr/lifestyle/sexfiles/200697/Norvezani-pozvani-na-sex-hour-uz-kondom.html...35 others were here spot...
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http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/65240/I-u-Hrvatskoj-orgije-sa-zarazenima-HIV-om.html
prvi google prijedlog za poz – "poze u sexu"
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/victorias-secret-outrages-parents-by-launching-sexy-new-campaign-aimed-at-t
*kohabitacija
"Private, clothing-optional resort for men" "WARNING: This site contains some fabulous full frontal male nudity!"
http://www.islandhousekeywest.com
"‘Most heterosexual relationships are built by, first of all, the meeting relating to the reality of one
another. Next comes seeing the person again, getting to know the person. You go though all these levels,
until finally it has grown into a relationship that, in order to find a greater closeness, moves into the
beautiful sexual areas. You stay together the night, you make it, and next day you explore all the levels of
the relationship you’ve already built up. The base is there. In the gay world, we begin by mumbling a few
words to each other, if that. Suddenly, we’re making sex. Then we just as suddenly split to the next
person. You see, we’ve begun with the intimacy without ever having gone through any tenderness or
gentleness. I think this is the reason why so few lasting homosexual relationships exist.’ (from an
interview with John Rechy in Gay News, 1976; quoted in Higgins, P.: A queer reader. Fourth Estate,
London 1993.; p.226) " http://www.maranathacommunity.org.uk/pdf/sept-08-sex-and-relaionshipeducation-review.pdf
http://www.equalparenting-bc.ca/news/crowley-aleister-luciferian.htm
http://www.jutarnji.hr/nova-hit-religija-u-hollywoodu-sotonistickom-kultu-posvecenomseksu-pristupila-rihanna-i-jay-z-koji-promice-sebicnost-/1098572
PRIORITETI
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/350-million-rescinded-aid-money-to-malawi-dependent-on-complicity-in-homose
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/european-parliament-votes-to-impose-heavy-sanctions-against-pro-family-afri
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Sexed sex-ed
194
UN(ESCO)
sex-ed preporuke: 5. godišnjacima o masturbaciji, 9. godišnjacima o abortusu, afrodizijacima,
transfobiji...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,543203,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/082509_unesco.pdf
http://www.uiowa.edu/~tlcp/TLCP%20Articles/20-3/Huck%20Final.pdf
http://www.unaids.org/en/media/unaids/contentassets/dataimport/pub/externaldocument/2009/20091210_international_guidanc
e_sexuality_education_vol_1_en.pdf
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/unicef-claims-children-have-right-to-confidential-sex-services
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/99595-skandalozne-upute-svjetske-zdravstvene-organizacije-vrticarce-poucavatimasturbaciji-pobacaju.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/who-sex-ed-guidelines-promote-masturbation-abortion-homosexuality-to-childr
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/chicago-obavezni-spolni-odgoj-vec-u-vrticima
http://www.laudato.hr/Vijesti/Hrvatska/Elektronski-dnevnik-u-skolama-roditelj-kao-vrsta.aspx
194 http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/ew-gross-ny-times-washington-post-reject-ad-showing-planned-parenthood-sex
125
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/seksom-opsjednute-nacije-nasrcu-na-un
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pei-guide-for-parents-healthy-for-kids-to-masturbate-touch-genitals-of-fami
http://c-fam.org/en/issues/un-organizations/7706-unesco-report-promotes-abortion-and-same-sex-narrative
http://ethikapolitika.org/2014/02/12/usurpation-un
http://c-fam.org/en/issues/global-health/7816-new-paper-exposes-hidden-agenda-of-the-sex-ed-establishment
http://c-fam.org/friday_fax/unfpa-children-right-sex-drugs-abortion-reduce-population
https://agendaeurope.wordpress.com/2014/12/15/unicef-gives-up-children-and-instead-promotes-gay-rights
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/accused-child-porn-maker-wrote-letter-saying-sex-charged-equity-program-was
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ontario-tory-leader-questions-premier-over-accused-child-porn-makers-role-i
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ontario-ed-minister-says-she-would-sign-controversial-sex-ed-curriculum-wi
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/accused-child-porn-maker-marched-with-trudeau-and-wynne-in-toronto-pride-20
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ontario-premier-denies-accused-child-porn-maker-had-role-in-explicit-sex-ed
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a-grade-by-grade-breakdown-of-kathleen-wynnes-graphic-new-sex-ed-program
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/hundreds-of-upset-parents-rally-against-graphic-sex-ed-curriculum-at-queens
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ontarios-sex-ed-architect-admits-he-asked-someone-to-sexually-assault-a-chi
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/10/17/ontario_slammed_for_outdated_sex_ed_and_mental_health_curriculum.html
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/10/05/ontario-teachers-discipline-chair-resigns.html
http://www.reuniting.info/content/bill-gates-and-better-condoms-error-404
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/berlin-first-graders-get-explicit-sex-education-book-a-896447.html
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=65c_1366970381
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/father-arrested-for-protesting-school-assigning-pornographic-book-to-his-14
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/116904-seks-klinci-i-vrtici-oni-ce-zaista-legalizirati-pedofiliju-nemojte-sutjeti.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDNasX5KyHw school's sexual education poster
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt13/ed_bill_hearings_0513/judiciary_050713.html
http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/school-forces-all-girls-to-lesbian-kiss
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/secret-state-reps-denied-request-to-see-planned-parenthoods-graphic-sex-ed
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/graphic-sex-education-program-for-5-year-olds-shocks-new-zealand-parents
http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2005/nov05/05-11-30.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/march-for-life-speaker-slams-ottawas-sex-it-smart-campaign
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/homosexual-group-gives-italian-high-school-students-gay-porn-pamphlet-at-an
“There is no correct age at which you are ‘supposed’ to have sex. Everyone has to make a
very personal decision about what is right for them.” coolnurse.com
Really? What if a girl decides that sex is right for her at age 12 or 13?
http://gerardnadal.com/2011/03/12/planned-parenthood-to-girl-scouts-masturbate-and-you-don’t-have-to-tell-sex-partners-ifyou-have-hiv
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bullies-cancel-chastity-advocates-speech-at-public-school1
http://www.motherswatch.net
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/zo-u-njemackoj
http://www.famyouth.org.uk/pdfs/DDU.pdf Deconstructing the Dutch Utopia
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/25/sex-education-dutch-children
http://sheu.org.uk/sites/sheu.org.uk/files/imagepicker/1/eh194jl.pdf
http://cyleodonnell.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/travel-geek-documentary-philippines-out-now
http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/BIB/SexEd/SexEd.html#3.25
http://www.euractiv.com/education/croatia-strict-sex-education-get-news-222510
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1351459/Good-grope-guide-given-to-under-14s.html
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/how_not_to_teach_children_about_sex
http://www.aidsmap.com/Can-sex-education-lead-to-less-sex/page/1745948
http://www.ippfen.org/NR/rdonlyres/CAEAED62-A6D0-4327-B109-87F9B80AB501/0/ippfchoices2011.pdf
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-york-city-schools-handed-out-12721-doses-of-plan-b-last-year-without-pa
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/two-medical-associations-promote-dangerous-abortifacients-plan-b-to-teens
http://www.massresistance.org/media/video/brainwashing.html
http://www.peacehamilton.com
http://www.umanitoba.ca/publications/cjeap/pdf_files/mcgregor.pdf NORMING AND <RE>FORMING: CHALLENGING
HETERONORMATIVITY IN EDUCATIONAL POLICY DISCOURSES
http://www.vidahumana.org/english/family/sexed-us.html
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http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/6th-grade-porn-teachers-exposed/#r6mXQ8vBCGzefj2o.99
http://www.eutimes.net/2009/06/germany-and-eu-to-legalize-pedophilia-and-with-it-child-pornography-as-well
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/koerper-liebe-doktorspiele-von-der-leyen-stoppt-umstritteneaufklaerungsbroschuere-a-497527.html
http://unionwatch.org/an-orgasm-for-the-children
http://www.c-fam.org/fridayfax/volume-14/schools-need-to-teach-orgasms-say-us-teachers-to-un.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/schools-need-to-teach-about-orgasms-says-us-teachers-union-to-un
http://www.rightwingnews.com/education/nea-to-un-“oral-sex-masturbation-and-orgasms-need-to-be-taught-in-education”
http://www.honestgirlscouts.com
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/eksplicitni-program-spolnog-odgoja-za-petogodisnjake-sokirao-roditelje-u-novom-zelandu
http://www.laudato.hr/Kolumne/Prvi-petak/Zastitimo-djecu-od-zastitnika-djece-!.aspx
10000 dresses http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIbV-z2nGS8 http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/2012/06/25/what-gay-agendatoronto-school-board-teaches-cross-dressing-in-elementary-schools http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Ewert
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3kudtic3_s Michael Coren On McGuinty's Gay Education Agenda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxVP_pjEkBw Gay Indoctrination of UK School Kids
http://www.hawaiireporter.com/department-of-education-puts-controversial-sex-education-program-on-hold/123
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/kansas-school-in-furor-over-poster-encouraging-anal-sex-grinding-touching-e
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/montreal-school-board-defends-erotic-novels-in-elementary-schools-after-mot
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/nudisticki-zo-u-francuskoj
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3Guq8UnWSo Alex Jones
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/uk-girl-13-raped-by-classmate-after-sex-ed-lesson
planned parenthood
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/ew-gross-ny-times-washington-post-reject-ad-showing-planned-parenthood-sex
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/planned-parenthood-posts-condom-turkey-to-page-for-teens-on-thanksgiving
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/planned-parenthood-wants-to-make-your-children-into-sexperts-for-the-revolu
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/we-created-demand-for-abortion-by-pushing-sex-ed-on-kids-former-abortion-pr
http://www.stopp.org/article.php?id=12014 Teens teach porn class to adults
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/parents-should-let-kids-have-sex-sleepovers-abortion-advocate-says-in-usa-t
http://therightswriter.com/2014/05/stay-classy-pizza-and-porno-fundraiser-will-benefit-planned-parenthood
http://www.stopp.org/article.php?id=14428 Oregon's Triple X seks ed
jennings
http://www.stopjennings.org
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/10/05/media-matters-defence-of-kevin-jennings-reeks-of-desperation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaSQpEA8e8k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SePAS3zzbwg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFLVGJ_67HQ Exposé of Safe & Drug-Free Schools "Czar" Kevin Jennings
ridiculed and demeaned people of faith
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-jennings/recruit-recruit-recruit_b_62054.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kevin-jennings/liar-liar-pants-on-fire_b_48259.html
Queering Elementary Education' (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77640)
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09d/kevin_jennings/outrage_growing.html
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/safe-school-czar-ignored-statutory-rape
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/12/21/bill-ayers-the-left-must-utilize-its-absolute-access-to-americas-classrooms harry
hay
"Dry fuck em all in their oh so jesus loving religious buttholes." http://www.queerty.com/why-are-kevin-jenningsglsen-completely-silent-on-septembers-4-gay-bullying-suicides-20100930
http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201101210034
Full story here: http://www.queerty.com/why-are-kevin-jennings-glsen-completely-silent-on-septembers-4-gay-bullyingsuicides-20100930/#ixzz2M2scgFhj - See more at: http://www.queerty.com/why-are-kevin-jennings-glsen-completely-silenton-septembers-4-gay-bullying-suicides-20100930/#sthash.21KalHRJ.dpuf
Read more at http://www.queerty.com/why-are-kevin-jennings-glsen-completely-silent-on-septembers-4-gay-bullyingsuicides-20100930/#18qOX6ABZYy5wtjD.99
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7MzM8ABzCk How to jam homosexuality into public schools: Just call it "safety"
SVEUČILIŠTA
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/poisoned-ivies-sex-and-god-at-yale
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/notorious-sex-week-at-yale-faces-the-axe
http://www.cardinalnewmansociety.org/CatholicEducationDaily/DetailsPage/tabid/102/ArticleID/3048/GeorgetownStudent-Group’s-‘Sex-Positive-Week’-Includes-Erotic-Dancing-Instruction.aspx
http://www.amazon.com/The-Victims-Revolution-Identity-Studies/dp/0061807370/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_y
RH
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- iz preporučene literature za nastavnike:
"... spolnost 'virtualne stvarnosti' može biti raznolika, nepredvidiva i interaktivna – ukratko, može biti ona prava,
samo lišena zbrkanosti međuljudskih odnosa. Stvaran (i siguran) seks po želji 24 sata dnevno."
O užitku: razmišljanja o naravi ljudske spolnosti.
Abramson, P. i Pinkerton, S. 1998
"Rodni identitet odgovara na pitanje: 'Jesam li ja žena ili muškarac ili nešto sasvim drugo?"
"Ali zašto ne reći: 'Ja sam muškarac s vaginom!' Zašto ne bi dekonstruirali i taj biološki imperativ koji označava
genitalije kao muške i ženske? Zašto prihvaćati mišljenja naučnika koji bi željeli sve stvari lijepo i uredno posložiti u
predvidljive dvojnosti?"
Priručnik 'Spol i rod pod povećalom'
CESI, 2003. (Amir Hodžić, Nataša Bijelić, Sanja Cesar)
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/mzos-ova-kulturoloska-atomska-bomba
http://www.vigilare.org/sites/default/files/prilozi_vijesti/ocjena_i_komentari_radionica_zdravstvenog_odgoja.pdf
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/kurikulum-mora-na-popravni
http://www.jutarnji.hr/-bum-tomica--opravdano-se-nalazi-na-popisu-lektire-povjerenstvo-agencije-za-odgoj-i-obrazovanjedonijelo-je-strucno-misljenje/1094571
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/109115-seksi-lektire-u-osnovnim-skolama-djeca-na-hrvatskom-citaju-o-impotencijipipanju-grudi-i-mjerenju-pimpaca.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/79613-neka-filipovic-objasni-uciteljima-sto-znaci-pornografija-ima-didaktickuulogu.html
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/zabrinuti-otac-ministarstvu-zasto-durica-lektira-za-2-razred-osnovne-skole-promice-agresijuseksualizaciju-djece
http://blog.vecernji.hr/darko-milosic/2013/05/20/pornografija-ili-umjetnost
što radi seks/ovisnost "horniness of teenagers is a force greater than sexual orientation"
http://gawker.com/5504032/christopher-hitchens-gay-prep-school-sex-a-window-into-horny-teenage-bicuriosity
kad uče o anatomiji i čemu služe (komplementarni) spolni organi na koji način će se biološka činjenica 'normalizirati'
ideološkom premisom 'jednakosti'
http://media.theonion.com/images/articles/article/536/onion_news1357_jpg_250x1000_q85.jpg
S obzirom da je reprodukcija u djetinjstvu neizvediva, u seksualnim se nasladama može uživati multidimenzionalno – oralno,
analno, genitalno i tako dalje – bez mogućnosti oplodnje. Abramson, P. i Pinkerton, S. (1998.) O užitku: razmišljanja o naravi
ljudske spolnosti.
KONTRACEPCIJA
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/kontracepcija-povecava-rizik-maloljetnicke-trudnoce
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/grozd-pokusaj-spasavanja-propalog-projekta-cijepljenja-djevojcica-protiv-hpv
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/advice-columnist-to-woman-pushed-into-taking-morning-after-pill-get-on-with
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/vanity-fair-busts-planned-parenthood-in-undercover-nuvaring-sting
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/supreme-court-of-canada-upholds-sexual-assault-conviction-of-condom-piercer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1ifNaNABY (The Economocs of Sex)
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ricki-lake-to-produce-documentary-exposing-the-dangers-of-contraception
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2014/ippf/planned-parenthood-will-push-harmful-injectable-on-zambian-girlsand-women
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/abortifacient-drugs-to-be-handed-out-to-uk-schoolgirls-free-and-without-par
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/04/12973 Emergency Contraception
Iznošenje podataka o promiskuitetnim homoseksualcima koji razaraju samu srž institucije braka smatram diskriminatornim i
uvredljivom te je takav stav za svaku osudu.
http://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/crkva-dijeli-letak-potom-zdravog-razuma.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/67854-jovanovic-namece-ucenicima-stavove-koje-podrzava-samo-11-postoroditelja.html
http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Hrvatska/tabid/66/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/196337/Default.aspx
http://slobodnadalmacija.com/Linija-X/tabid/243/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/196748/Default.aspx
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gvmt-minister-rebukes-bishops-on-catholic-sexual-teaching-youre-not-allowed
http://www.aim.org/aim-report/aim-report-bay-state-teens-taught-queer-sex
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/german-government-publication-promotes-incestuous-pedophilia-as-healthy-sex
http://www.cfnews.org/SupCrtHmIndoct.htm
http://www.okamotofreedom.com
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"the rejection of moral absolutes through the principle of “informed choice” http://www.maranathacommunity.org.uk/pdf/sept08-sex-and-relaionship-education-review.pdf
One pill makes you larger And one pill makes you small And the ones that mother gives you Don't do anything at all Go ask
Alice, when she's ten feet tall.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/heres-your-correction-wikipedia-founder
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2010/04/27/wikipedia-child-porn-larry-sanger-fbi
http://www.wnd.com/2008/05/63590
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/parents-outraged-after-teacher-hands-out-sex-toys-to-teens-during-drama-awa
http://everydayforlifecanada.blogspot.ca/2015/01/ten-reasons-to-reject-wynnes-sex.html
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-department-education-79-chicago-8th-graders-not-proficient-reading vs
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-sex-ed-kindergartners-right-thing-do
129
{{K}} The soaped slope
"ništa se ne mora, a sve je dozvoljeno."
zagrebpride195
Ovo se poglavlje bavi već nekoliko puta spomenutim problemom "Pandorine kutije"/"skliske
kosine". Prigovor je zapravo vrlo jednostavan: ako problematiku braka svedemo na
"konsenzus", "ljubav", "pravo na privatnost" te "pravo na samoodređenje i osobnu potragu za
srećom", koji se argument može ponuditi protiv niže navedenih promjena (neke od kojih su
već u implementaciji, pripremi ili u akademskim razmatranjima) a da se ne može automatski
iskoristiti i protiv "gay braka"?
Automatski dakle otpadaju:
• huh?
• "mdajkajbriješ"
• "ma neće to nikad nitko tražiti"
• "kako uopće možeš to uspoređivati"
• "to nije prirodno"
• "ma oni samo hoće da ih se ne maltretira"
• paušalni "ma to nije isto"
• "fuj"
• ...
“The thinkables of the eighties and nineties will certainly include things which most people
today find unthinkable and immoral, even unimaginable and too extreme to suggest. Yet–since
they do not have some overriding principle that takes them beyond relativistic thinking–when
these become thinkable and acceptable in the eighties and nineties, most people will not
even remember that they were unthinkable in the seventies. They will slide into each new
thinkable without a jolt.’ (p3)
“In recognising some gay and lesbian relationships as marriages, same-sex marriage
emphasises the continued illegitimacy of other sexual arrangements and the continued
exclusion of other social actors. The legalisation of same-sex marriage has risky
consequences that exceed the good intentions of many of those arguing for it.”
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/same_sex_marriage_has_an_unexpected_foe
Normalizacijom LGBTTIQ zajednica majčin dan i očev dan su/postaju "homofobični" i
"neinkluzivni"196 (dijete "očeva" ne smije poželjeti/pitati se o majci, dijete "majki" ne smije
poželjeti/pitati se o ocu, dijete "majki" ne smije poželjeti/pitati se o ocu 197)
+ http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/jcpenneys-fathers-day-ad-features-two-gay-dads ...father is a “swim
coach, tent maker, best friend, bike fixer and hug giver – all rolled into one. Or two.” i kako
sad otac može biti "nešto posebno" ako su otac i majka isti (ili je lezbijska majka istovremeno
i majka i "bike fixer")?
+
http://www.crol.hr/portal/lezbocosmo/neznalice/4774-majke-lezbijke-zasjale-na-naslovnici-newyorkera.html a što je s 'obiteljima' u kojima su samo tate, kako one slave dan majki (jedan od
tata se preobuče?)
195 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsBQGAL87Io
196 http://www.theloop.ca/opinion/family/article/-/a/2412171/That-just-might-have-been-the-last-Mother-s-Day
197 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/rome-parents-fight-back-against-fathers-day-ban-for-children-with-two-mommi
130
https://agendaeurope.wordpress.com/2014/12/19/some-people-are-pedophile-should-we-not-get-over-it-justasking
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt13/judiciary_hearing_070913/announce.html
"jednaka prava" = posebna LGBTIQ* prava (pravo "ne biti uvrijeđen", "ne biti doveden u
pitanje", pravo prisiliti svakoga da misli kao ti, pravo na pristup školskoj djeci kroz obvezno
obrazovanje i "dječje parade"198, ...) - “LGBT Rights are Human Rights”199
http://www.crol.hr/portal/zdravlje-seksualnost/seks/4266-znatan-porast-istospolnih-odnosa-meutinejdericama.html
http://beyondmarriage.org
http://beyondmarriage.org/BeyondMarriage.pdf
http://beyondstraightandgaymarriage.blogspot.com/2011/06/ny-times-op-ed-weighs-in-for-beyond.html
"Instead of dancing, instead of having casual sex, instead of rioting, all of the “responsible”
gays have gone and had children." http://queerkidssaynomarriage.wordpress.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZXzUpzHLkA What 'gay marriage' did to Massachusetts
http://beyondstraightandgaymarriage.blogspot.com pod "Single woman may sue Michigan fertility clinic for
denial of IVF services"
http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/03/26/marriage-equality-or-marriage-extinction-up-next-equal-rights-forpolygamy-incest-and-bestiality
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/03/marriage-what-it-is-why-it-matters-and-the-consequencesof-redefining-it
http://www.family.org.au/national-campaigns/401-homosexual-marriage-and-its-consequences
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/356539/clashing-claims-ryan-t-anderson
za a protiv braka: nakon dobitka prava za brak: izjednačavanje izvanbračnih zajednica
(domestic partnership) s brakom jer kao inače je to prisiljavanje na brak...
http://beyondstraightandgaymarriage.blogspot.com pod "Evan Donaldson Adoption Institute
report identifies best practices in adoption...but supports same-sex marriage for the wrong
reason"
"Marriage promotes relationship stability for heterosexual adults compared to cohabitation,
and consequently leads to healthier long-term psychological adjustment for children."
"Marriage promotes relationship stability for heterosexual adults compared to cohabitation,
and consequently leads to healthier long-term psychological adjustment for children."
http://beyondstraightandgaymarriage.blogspot.com/2011/06/ny-times-op-ed-weighs-in-forbeyond.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/24/opinion/24franke.html?_r=2
Once authorities begin to define life and humanity, we’re left with subjective and selective
determination as to who will be allowed to live. Infanticide followed abortion like night
followed day, warned C. Everett Koop and Francis A. Schaeffer back in 1979 in their book,
Whatever happened to the human race?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/24/education/24brfs-gay.html?sq=2006 steps after same
sex marriage&st=cse&adxnnl=1&scp=51&adxnnlx=1322305721-1WBGdk3FifkQ114xfkScnw
198 http://www.sloboda.hr/europske-vrijednosti-u-norveskoj-odrzan-djecji-gay-festival
http://www.dutchamsterdam.nl/218-amsterdam-gay-pride-canal-parade
199 http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2013/homosexuality/eu-the-lunacek-report-and-homosexualfeminist-hate-crimes
131
nije zapravo stvar u homoaqtivistima, oni su samo instrument do društva sreće (kulture
smrti), ni loganov bijeg ni vrli novi svijet ne mogu postojati zajedno s obitelji (mama i tata su
psovke štoviše u vrlom)...stepenica na putu...prvo se "prirodni" brak dovede do apsurda
"serijskom poligamijom" i posljedično djecom koja su sumjerljivo 'oštećena' kao ona izvan
obitelji ili iz skrbničkih ustanova i onda se za taj problem naravno optuži buržoazijski
dekadentni moral koji je svojom opresijom generirao bolesno društvo i ponudi se konačno
rješenje/oslobođenje: T revolucija..
http://www.familyinamerica.org/index.php?doc_id=33&cat_id=14 Confronting the More
Entrenched Foe: The Disaster of No-Fault Divorce and Its Legacy of Cohabitation
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/marriage_rates_90_95_99-11.pdf
http://reason.com/archives/2013/04/05/the-science-on-same-sex-marriage
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Evo jedan mali isječak: "Od Marxa do guzice put je bio trnovit, i treba im čestitati. Kao i
fenomenu nad kojim bi si isti Marx možda počupao kosu: Ljudima se posvuda na Zapadu, i kod
nas, smanjuju socijalna i radnička prava, ali se zato obilato povećavaju seksualna. Poruka je
jasna, možda ste gladni, potplaćeni, nezaposleni, no proleteri svih zemalja j….e se!"
Dakle sad bi trebali ignorirat homoseksualce jer je današnji odnos poslodavca i radnika
robovlasnički?
Radnici neka protestiraju svoje, homoseksualci svoje... non sequitur :)
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um ne...huxley predvidio vezu: "T revolucija" – nakon ekonmskog sloma vrli novi sexy svijet...
hekma duhačeku potvrdio u intervjuu šolinu tezu (meta ljevice nakon propasti radničke klase
seksualne manjine)
http://www.24sata.hr/politika/urbana-desnica-vlada-trosi-na-pride-a-na-radnike-ide-policija-269191
http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/americans-snapping-by-the-millions
http://investmentwatchblog.com/america-the-fallen-24-signs-that-our-once-proud-cities-are-turning-intopoverty-stricken-hellholes-the-city-of-detroit-was-once-actually-had-the-highest-per-capita-income-in-theunited-states
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/20-signs-that-the-next-great-economic-depression-has-alreadystarted-in-europe
http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2013/04/detroits_encroaching_blight_as.ht ml
=naomi====================
Ako ostavimo po strani i nauk crkve i znanost i način na koji se u Austriji ophode prema gay katolicima,
čini li se tebi osobno da je zbog ovog dijela koji sam citirala došlo do "dekadencije društva" u državi u
kojoj živiš? :)
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Haha jelda kako veseli crno bijeli svijet :)
Dakako u stvarnosti stvari idu postepeno ali predvidljivo po "skliskoj kosini"...prvo se heteroseksualni
odnosi pretvore u zabavu ("veselicu") i to se "s kim god želiš" prikazuje pod normalno u ranovečernjim
filmovima...kad uz to poraste broj prijevara, rastava, pobačaja, obiteljskog nasilja, izvanbračne djece
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(postotak u americi) i maloljetničkih trudnoća onda se to ne pripiše pogrešci "veselog" pristupa, ne to je
onda znak da je brak propala i promašena institucija a obiteljski odgoj dubiozna ideja...
e tada _nakon_ što je cijelo društvo već doseglo dovoljan stupanj dekadencije (i potrošnje drugog čovjeka
za vlastito zadovoljstvo), tada nastupa slijedeći pa se kaže da je "otac i majka" nasilni zaostali normativ
(retorika zamjenskog morala) koji će se osloboditi i unaprijediti roditeljem a i roditeljem b...a onda je
"Beč pao i vrata su otvorena"...roditeljska bića 1 2 3, ukidanje roditeljstva i braka uopće, komunalno
odgajanje djece, soma i dizajnerske droge, eugenički vrtuljak sreće...ma tko zna gdje nam je svijetli
humanistički kraj...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1ifNaNABY (The Economocs of Sex)
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/inside-the-sex-trade-new-study-exposes-the-economics-and-societaltrends-be
<
Holywood tako 1966. godine odustaje od cenzure kojom su bile zabranjene "nemoralne scene", pa se
odustaje od "filmskog poljupca" i prelazi na pravo žvaljenje. Potom se i pornografija depenalizira, što će s
Internetom demokratizirati pristup eksplicitnom seksu i perverzijama, da se i zadnji klinac danas može
mirno češkati ispod pupka u tišini svoje sobe dok gleda porno krkačinu.
>
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2008/jun/08061204
guzeetze&ceese s kioska i ginekološke poze s jumbo plakata
pobačaji kao sloboda izbora i planirano roditeljstvo
i'll do as i will seksualnost kao ljubav i to slobodna, swinganje kao iskrena alternativa licemjernom braku
It's not that we dislike penises, we just don't like them on men.
"baš to mi radimo"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046120/Woman-tried-sell-1-month-old-son-gay-couple-15-000-trip-DisneyWorld.html
http://stopsb48.com/voters-asked-to-stop-sexual-indoctrination-of-children
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Hakuna matata - the T factor
"Girls who are boys
Who like boys to be girls
Who do boys like they're girls
Who do girls like they're boys
Always should be someone you really love"200
Blur - Girls and Boys
“Women are women regardless of sex,
And men are men in same respects.
You can be both,
Or a mix of the two,
Or you can be neither if that’s what suits you.
But people are people whatever their parts,
Because what really matters is inside of our hearts!”
i-am-pansexual.livejournal.com/621901.html
"Kako god bilo, oni kojima je obilježje "gay" ili "lezbijka" bilo nedovljno ili
ograničavajuće pronašli su u odrednici queer nešto s čim su se mogli identificirati.
U popularnoj kulturi queer je zvučalo transgresivnije, bilo je više seksi i namjerno
je pokazivalo i slavilo različitost koja više nije željela asimilaciju ili toleriranje.
Tom se različitošću željelo uzdrmati status quo i zapitati zbog čega prepostavljamo
da je Bart Simpson heteroseksualac."
Tamsin Spargo, "Foucault i queer teorija"
http://www.dnevno.hr/magazin/lifestyle/88319-video-australski-sud-ozakonio-spol-neodreden-u-sluzbenimdokumentima.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/13b/pride_week/parade-festival/trans/index.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cbs-execs-meet-with-transgender-activists-to-promote-positive-tvportrayals
http://www.crol.hr/portal/zdravlje-seksualnost/psiho/4932-trans-roditelji-u-raljama-birokracije.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11d/hrc_adoption_push/index.html
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/157191/Transrodne-osobe-nisu-mentalni-bolesnici.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/6-year-old-transgender-boy-must-be-allowed-to-use-girls-bathroomcolorado-o
http://blog.heritage.org/2013/08/19/is-california-protecting-women
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sexual-predator-jailed-after-claiming-to-be-transgender-in-order-to-assault
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Kao što si rekla, tema su gay ljudi, ne transeksualci. Oni samo upadaju u feštu jer im je fora
ali ne traće prava za sebe, smisao parade je još uvijek isti. Dakle ako želiš vjerovati da
200 http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/blur/girlsandboys.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/114879-zdravstveni-odgoj-ovo-je-razumljivo-samo-zeljku-jovanovicu-molimo-gada-nam-pojasni.html
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sudjelovanje transeksualaca u paradama znači da trebamo pljeskati transekcualcima, da li to
znači da trebamo isto tako podržavati spličanine koji su kamenovali gay paradu ako smo antigay? :)
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Znači Kontra i Iskorak onako iz fore traže umjetnu oplodnju za transseksualce 201?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21364939
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-gonzaga-university-considers-instituting-transgender-bathrooms
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ontario-rights-chief-defends-mans-right-to-be-nude-in-womenschangerooms
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/ja-sam-ona
"equalities bill" suknje diskriminacija:
http://wideshut.co.uk/britain-to-ban-skirts-for-school-uniforms-in-case-transexuals-are-offended
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/98642/Harriet-and-her-scary-new-order
(nije
dosta
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/art.php?id=18317 :)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1248110/ANDREW-PIERCE-Why-I-gay-man-agree-Pope--Harriet-Harmansequality-mania-promotes-intolerance.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/seealso/2010/02/daily_view_pope_benedicts_atta.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/malta-registers-first-same-sex-civil-union (gender identity@constitution)
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/taxpayers-to-fund-sex-change-operations-for-seniors-through-medicare-obama
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transekcualci paradiraju jer se osjećaju ko "dio skupine" :)
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transmatate
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/10/biden-says-transgender-discrimination-civil-rights-147761.html
http://www.crol.hr/portal/zdravlje-seksualnost/psiho/4932-trans-roditelji-u-raljama-birokracije.html
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/227550/Politicka-bitka-za-promjenu-spola.html
"Man who gave birth” faces court battle to be father http://www.thelocal.de/20130910/51853
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/djeci-ce-mijenjati-spol-vec-sa-8-godina
http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2012/07/23/dsm-replaces-gender-identity-disorder-genderdysphoria
http://queer.hr/24477/rodna-disforija-umjesto-poremecaja-rodnog-identiteta-napokon
http://queer.hr/15694/bez-menstruacije-bez-identiteta
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11d/tranny_bill_passed/index.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11d/hrc_adoption_push/index.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/get-the-doj-out-of-our-restrooms
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cal.-gov.-signs-bill-allowing-transgender-students-to-use-opposite-sex-bath
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/police-investigating-after-transsexual-man-denied-access-to-womenswashroom
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/transgendered-bill-in-canadian-senate-will-open-door-to-normalizingpedophi
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/transgender-bill-sails-through-canadian-human-rights-senate-committeeuname
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_marriage_laws#Same-sex_marriage
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/08/16/life-without-gender.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/13a/maryland-trans-bill-defeat.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/89891-svedska-osobe-koje-su-prisilno-sterilizirane-tijekom-postupkapromjene-spola-traze-pet-milijuna-eura-odstete.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/male-transgender-activist-arrested-after-mid-air-striptease
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/08/16/2482371/washington-post-transgender
http://www.rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/learn/resources/chronology-events-kimberly-nixon-vs-vancouver-raperelief-society
201 http://www.iskorak.hr/wp-content/uploads/files/pt-prava2005.pdf
135
http://dawn.thot.net/Kimberly_Nixon.html
http://www.xtra.ca/public/Ottawa/Supreme_Court_Of_Canada_wont_hear_Kimberly_Nixon_case-2632.aspx
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/generation-x-germany-to-allow-third-blank-gender-for-birth-certificates
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/95781-transrodni-nijemac-prvi-u-europi-rodio-dijete-njemackozakonodavstvo-stiti-ovakve-slucajeve.html
http://webtv.dnevno.hr/austriju-ce-na-eurosongu-predstavljati-transvestit
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/modeling-agency-signs-woman-to-its-male-modeling-division
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vancouver-parks-adopt-sweeping-changes-aimed-at-accommodatingtransgender-p
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/canadian-gender-identity-bill-expected-to-fail-as-senate-sends-it-back-to-c
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/a-man-can-be-a-wife-and-a-woman-a-husband-under-new-uk-govt-rules
Man can be "wife"
Woman can be "husband"
Child can be "adult"
Right is "wrong"
Wrong is "right"
Truth is "lie"
Lie is "truth"
Angels in America – heaven – gender confusion
encompasses queer girls who fuck queer boys with strap-ons
6 rodova
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2011/12/06/toronto-bullying.html
http://www.canadiantimes.ca/CMS/index.php/icv/858-confusing-grade-three-children-with-six-genderteaching-is-wrong
homonegativnost igor grabovac predavanje_grabovac.pdf
http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/02/05/bearded-and-breastfeeding-the-story-of-a-pregnant-man
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/09/15/male-female-or-neither-australian-passports-offer-third-genderoption
actually reinforces stereotypes http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/88251-bolkovic-o-mimi-simic-rijec-je-ozatucanoj-muskaraci-koja-nosi-cvrsci-remen-na-hlacama-od-vodnika-jna.html
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/11/rights-group-trans-people-could-be-collateral-damage-in-voter-idbattle
Apsurdistan
Trans-pravo na tučnjavu sa ženama http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/transgender-male-bodybuilder-sues-for-2.5million-and-the-right-to-compete
http://katoliksdnakace.blogspot.com/2014/11/wwt-bojiste-hr.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/nyc-guidelines-for-transgender-students-could-see-boys-and-girls-forced-to
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/clintons-former-attorney-general-proposes-allowing-transgenders-in-military
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/10/off-on-a-gender-bender.php
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/male-high-school-teacher-in-california-will-return-after-spring-break-as-a
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/secretary-of-defense-chuck-hagel-is-open-to-lifting-ban-on-transgender-sold
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/viral-video-about-transgender-6-year-old-not-so-heartwarming-says-psychiatr
https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2014/07/30/the-voice-of-evil
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/how-a-catholic-school-board-hopes-to-accommodate-gender-disorder-in-a-catho
http://barbwire.com/2014/11/29/radical-leftists-now-endangering-female-athletes
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/parents-outraged-after-arizona-school-allows-boys-and-girls-to-use-whicheve
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/court-awards-trans-student-75000-orders-school-to-allow-boys-into-girls-bat
136
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-york-gov.-andrew-cuomo-orders-insurance-companies-to-cover-sex-change-p
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/first-circuit-no-taxpayer-funded-sex-change-for-jail-inmate
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/taxpayers-will-pay-for-bradley-mannings-sex-change-army-says-in-reversal
http://narod.hr/hrvatska/arsen-bauk-dobio-titulu-pocasne-lezbijke
58 facebook 'rodova'
http://allfacebook.com/58-genders-facebook_b129438
http://narod.hr/zanimljivosti/odrazava-li-nasa-ljutnja-prema-facebooku-nasu-ljutnju-prema-autorima-romana-tv-serija
https://nreakcija.wordpress.com/2014/07/30/xy-vs-xx
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/australian-gender-theorist-transgenderism-is-hugely-harmful-because-its-not
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/the_absurdity_of_transgenderism_a_stern_but_necessary_critique
http://www.transadvocate.com/the-shame-of-sheila-jeffreys-hate_n_12766.htm
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sheila_Jeffreys
137
The love that dares not speak its name 2.0
"Može li pedofilija imati umjetničku vrijednost? ... Smatram da može."202
Gordan Duhaček
"We do not think intergenerational sex is by definition abusive, nor do we think incest is a
priori crime to be punished by the bourgeois state."203
Spartacist Canada
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Protiv sam da spolno nezrela i mentalno nezrela osoba stupa u takav odnos, no ako dođe do
toga da budemo morali za to debatirat, onda ćemo debatirat :)
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http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/clan-europskog-parlamenta-promovira-pedofiliju-kao-dio-seksualne-revolucije
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/sumrak-civilizacije-pedofilu-ponistena-kazna-jer-se-radi-o-ljubavi
http://narod.hr/eu/skandal-u-svedskoj-bivsi-predsjednik-federacije-za-fgbtiq-prava-osuden-zbog-silovanjamladica-prisiljavanje-na-prostituciju
1972 Gay Rights Platform204: točka 7. - Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twink_(gay_slang), chicken
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Pedofilija je druga stvar, pedofilija je odnos između zrele i nezrele osobe. U tom slučaju,
netko mora zastupati prava te nezrele osobe a to je zakon. Dakle pedofilija je neusporediva
sa homoseksualizmom jer se ne radi o 2 zrele osobe koje stupaju u međusobni dogovor.
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Što je točno nezrela osoba, koja ona (ovdje relevantna) prava ima i zašto ih mora zastupati
zakon (a ne mora ona zrele osobe)?
Zašto koristiš uvredljivi pojam "međusobni dogovor" koji implicira da su homoseksualni odnosi
samo konsenzualno trošenje radi užitka kad oni uporno tvrde da je to ljubav i to "slobodna"
(štoviše slobodna od licemjernog buržoazijskog dekadentnog morala)? Iz prespektive kada su
homosex, homobrak i homo-in-vitro i homo-google-baby djeca "sasvim OK", a seks jedna
općenito "vesela stvar", baš i ne vidim tu tako očitu zapreku "neusporedivosti" s eto polaganim
spuštanjem te ionako proizvoljne granice. Pa sve je to samo ljubav a djeca su seksualna bića,
od rođenja (kažu Freud i Kinsey a tim vrhunskim autoritetima valjda moramo vjerovati).
202 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAECH6nLFiM ~4:00
203 http://americansfortruth.com/2010/08/09/gay-liberation-network-protests-aftah-truth-academy
204 http://www.rslevinson.com/gaylesissues/features/collect/onetime/bl_platform1972.htm
138
Uistinu ne znaš da je jedna od najpoznatijih "gay kultura" bila upravo pedofilna 205, odnosno da
riječ peder(astija) dolazi od grčkog korijena koji znači "ljubav prema dječacima" 206? (općenito
sve stare kulture s pederastijom, kult muškog tijela ali uvijek s mlađim zbog "podređenosti")
Zašto http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_LGBT_history uključuje pederastiju kao dio
"LGBT povijesti"?
"[Premda se takvo zakonodavstvo oslanja na] homofobičnu ideju o nevinoj (implicitno
heteroseksualnoj) djeci kojoj prijeti loš utjecaj, ..." (Tamsin Spargo, "Foucault i queer
teorija"), tj. za queer teoretičare koncept nevinog djeteta je "homofobična ideja".
Jedan od razloga za kontroverznu zabranu ređenja otvoreno homoseksualnih svećenika
(povezanu s pedofilskim skandalima, od kojih je 90+% bilo homoseksualne naravi 207) od strane
205 http://dailyxtra.com/toronto/ideas/features/from-ancient-greece-sochi
206 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catamite
- također i:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shudo#Monastic_same-sex_love
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_attitudes_toward_homosexuality (ad samuraji)
207 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/attorney-claims-as-many-as-half-of-priest-abuse-accusations-are-fraudulent
(themediareport.com)
http://thethirstygargoyle.blogspot.com/2011/07/how-many-questions-on-cloyne-report.html
http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otn.cfm?id=806&repos=6&subrepos=5&searchid=77717
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/critics-say-new-study-misses-real-reasons-for-priest-abuse-crisis
http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=6506
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mainstream-media-wakes-up-ap-reports-pope-benedict-removed-nearly-400-abuse
http://thesestonewalls.com
http://thesestonewalls.com/gordon-macrae/the-international-criminal-court-has-dismissed-snaps-last-gasp
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324482504578453363318730182 Rabinowitz: The Trials of
Father MacRae
http://araminthethicket.blogspot.com/2013/07/in-fr-gordon-macrae-case-whack-mole.html
http://ethikapolitika.org/2014/02/12/usurpation-un
www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/calif-catholics-urge-veto-of-bill-that-could-bankrupt-dioceses
zlostavljanje u državnim i sekularnim institucijama/@samo cathlicks su pedofili:
http://www.sesamenet.org
http://www.vecernji.hr/zg-vijesti/dvojica-vrticanaca-natjerala-treceg-na-neprimjereno-seksualno-ponasanje-968151
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charol_Shakeshaft
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/112185-pedofilski-skandal-na-bbc-u-tisuce-djece-zlostavljano-medu-njima-iosmogodisnjaci.html
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/453381/Female-MP-abused-boy-in-care
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-head-of-pro-abortion-group-pleads-guilty-to-soliciting-sex-with-12-y
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/san-francisco-s-gay-icon-larry-brinkin-guilty-felonychild-porn
www.24sata.hr/sokantno/uciteljica-se-na-zabavi-seksala-s-cak-trojicom-svojih-ucenika-366177
http://narod.hr/eu/je-li-cameronov-pomocnik-dobio-dojavu-o-uhicenju-zbog-slika-zlostavljanja-djece
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2538684/Mia-Farrows-artist-daughter-allegedly-molested-Woody-Allentold-bitterly-regrets-never-testifying-against-him.html
http://news.yahoo.com/look-back-allegations-against-woody-allen-180056713.html
http://www.laudato.hr/Kolumne/Prvi-petak/Zastitimo-djecu-od-zastitnika-djece-!.aspx
http://www.catholicleague.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/DEBUNKING-PHILOMENA-cover.pdf
http://qmbarque.com/2014/02/26/review-of-pbs-frontline-secrets-of-the-vatican
http://qmbarque.com/2013/09/03/knox-answers-if-the-catholic-church-is-true-why-all-the-sinners
http://cosmostheinlost.com/2013/09/10/richard-dawkins-puts-pedophilia-perspective
http://cosmostheinlost.com/2014/02/07/catholic-protestant-sex-scandals-structurally-different
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/pedofilska-pozadina-istrazivanja-amazonske-prasume-antropologa-jacquesa-lizota
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ottawa-federal-employee-and-homosexual-partner-imprisoned-for-child-porn
www.newsmax.com/newswidget/catholic-church-pedophile-priests/2014/04/14/id/565550
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/florida-teacher-aborts-baby-fathered-by-the-underage-student-she-seduced
http://www.youthdefence.ie/latest-news/prominent-choice-ireland-abortion-activist-convicted-for-child-pornography
http://narod.hr/eu/policija-u-velikoj-britaniji-uhitila-660-osoba-koje-se-sumnjice-za-pedofiliju
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katoličke crkve bio je upravo taj da su psiholozi (ne oni iz APA-e dakako) rekli da istraživanja
pokazuju da je taj devijantni nagon (još) teže kontrolirati nego onaj "prirodni". A tu
sklonost/poveznicu potvrđuje i postotak zlostavljanih dječaka među seksualno zlostavljanom
djecom koji je puno veći od postotka homoseksualnih muškaraca u društvu (što znači i veći
postotak pedofila u homoseksualnoj nego heteroseksualnoj populaciji). Ovaj pokušaj
"demantiranja" te povezanosti208 držim uistinu (tipično) smiješnim - ako povezanosti nema,
zašto nemamo i NAMGLA-u?
Konačno, zašto ne bismo tvoje nazivanje djece nezrelima nazvali diskriminatornim,
omalovažavajućim, ograničenim i jednostavno zaostalim? Ta zeitgeist je napredovao dalje (niz
taj nepostojeći slippery slope) pa tako već dulje vrijeme imamo ljepše i pozitivnije
("inkluzivnije", "afirmativnije" i "tolerantnije") nazive za tu vrstu ljubavi: "Intergenerational
Intimacy"209, "cross-generational sex", "Minor-Attracted Persons"210 ili "child-adult sexual
liberation"211. Paralelno tome, uskogrudne diskriminaciju tih istih "Minor-Attracted Persons"
dobili smo i novi izam: "ageism".
...:
ILGA
1994. godine je ILGA (International Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans and Intersex Association)
izgubila konzultantski status pri UN-ovom ekonomsko socijalnom vijeću (kako li su ga samo
imali već tada u tako tobože agresivno homofobnom svijetu!?) upravo zato jer su im dio
članstva činile pedofilne organizacije212. Jedna od tih organizacija bila je i "North American
Man/Boy Love Association"213. Dvije su stvari jasne već iz samog naziva organizacije: da je
nemoguća isprika da nisu znali da se radi o pedofilima te druga, da se radi o homoseksualnoj
pedofilnoj organizaciji (jer ime eksplicitno kaže "man/boy"). Kako iz takvih primjera (i
izbacivanja pedofilije iz DSM-a psihijatrijske APAe 1994. pa ponovnog vraćanja 2000. ili pak
ideoloških roditelja cijelog pokreta) ne zaključiti da pedofilija nije "OK" samo zato što _još_
nije "OK"? Nakon što su izbacili sporne organizacije (iako to nije moguće uistinu praktično
provjeriti s obzirom da im je popis članstva tajan) ponovo su 2006. dobili konzultantski status.
Radosna se vijest može ovdje http://queer.hr/9883/ilga-ponovno-savjetnik-ujedinjenimnarodima i provjeriti. Zloćudno homofobno oko će u radosnoj vijesti boraca za pravdu i
toleranciju zamijetiti i potpuni "whitewashing" razloga zašto su uopće i izgubili status: "neki
[su] od članova bili nedovoljno jasni oko problematike koja se ticala dobi pristanka". Stvarno,
"man/boy love" nije dovoljno jasno i eksplicitno. Zamijetit će i tipičnu samo-viktimizaciju:
"Glavni tajnik organizacije Renato Sabbadini istaknuo je da je ovo povijesni dan za ILGA-u te
http://narod.hr/eu/s-westminstra-nestali-dokumenti-o-zlocinama-nad-djecom
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/un-upozorava-veliku-britaniju-zbog-ritualnih-ubojstava-djece
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/this-is-rape-by-definition-uk-is-giving-10-year-olds-contraceptive-implants
208 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-gay_slogans#Conflation_with_child_abuse
209 http://www.tegenwicht.org/07_right/statement_07.htm
http://writings.exitinterview.biz/papers/intergen.htm
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/86670-gabriele-kuby-hrvati-cuvajte-se-fraze-medugeneracijski-sporazumni-seks-to-jelegalizacija-pedofilije.html
210 http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=336741
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/evil-attendees-at-prominent-pro-pedophilia-conference-horrified-by-sessions
211 http://www.ipce.info/ipceweb/Library/00-020_last_frontier.htm
212 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Lesbian,_Gay,_Bisexual,_Trans_and_Intersex_Association#Controversy_and_l
oss_of_UN_consultative_status
a istovremeno http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/c-fams-long-journey-to-official-un-recognition
213 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMBLA
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da liječi 17-godišnju ranu". Stvarno, kako ih je samo taj heteroseksistički, patrijarhalnoidno
licemjerni UN mogao tako raniti.
“What happened was fateful and would change the gay movement up to this day. Because the gay
movement didn't, as one would have expected, defend this form of homosexuality [pederasty],
realizing the attack on it was an attack on homosexuality itself. The gay movement didn't condemn this
attack of the SS [straight society]. It didn't continue to fight for human rights. It didn't even remain
indifferent - it joined forces with the SS and started to condemn its own actions! The decline of
homosexuality had started. [...] NAMBLA [North American Man/Boy Love association] was kicked out of
ILGA, an organization that previously used to advocate the abolishment of age-of-consent laws. [...]
The gay movement was aware of this, but it had given up and chosen side - it wanted to become
straight. The homosexual man had chosen to be wallowing in humiliation under the Straight Man,
whom he adored, but who sure as hell hated him anyway.” 214
Karl Andersson, 'The age taboo or how homosexuality went blunt'
Gert Hekma
http://www.tportal.hr/kultura/kulturmiks/251604/Homoseksualnost-i-pedofilija-su-povijesnisuputnici.html
http://www.tportal.hr/kultura/kulturmiks/252549/Intervju-s-Gertom-Hekmom.html
http://croative.net/index.php/drustvo/item/1205-pokusna-zemlja-za-svjetske-pedofile
http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/hrvatska/t-portal-obznanio-ispriku-zbog-skandaloznog-intervjua-u-kojemse-zagovaraju-seksualni-odnosi-odraslih-i-djece
http://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/udruga-vigilare-trazi-istragu-zbog-nastupa-antropologa-hekme-clanak531192
http://queer.hr/31803/intervju-gert-hekma-markiz-de-sade-je-moj-nadrazi-pisac
http://www.hrsvijet.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=26819:skandalozno-gerthekma-jo-jedan-zagovaratelj-pedofilije-pozvan-u-hrvatsku&catid=42:skandalozno&Itemid=361
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/htv-se-zalaze-za-prava-pedofila
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/kako-djeluju-promicatelji-pedofilije
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/t-com-podrzava-pedofila-hekmu
Theo Sandfort (Štulhofer)
"...in 1980 the most important organization of homosexual men and women in
the Netherlans, the Cultural and Recreational Center (COC), adopted the
position that the libaration of pedophilia must be viewed as a gay issue."215
Theo Sandfort, Pedophilia and the Gay Movement
http://www.narth.com/docs/whatapa.html
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J082v20n01_02#preview
http://newgon.com/prd/jour/Paidika.html
http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/588038.Theo_Sandfort
Gordan Duhaček
- "pedofilija ima umjetničku vrijednost" (manzin@malnar)
- gert hekma intervju
Daniel Cohn Bendit (euro parlamentarac) i njemačka Zelena stranka
http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/clan-europskog-parlamenta-promovira-pedofiliju-kao-dio-seksualnerevolucije
214 http://web.archive.org/web/20100904155411/http://www.martijn.org/page.php?id=2172006
215 http://books.google.hr/books?id=vOj9IYD00n8C str. 89
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http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2013/homosexuality/daniel-cohn-bendit-and-the-1968-revolutionpaedophilia-as-part-of-their-political-agenda
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Cohn-Bendit
http://www.taz.de/!123786
http://www.bundestag.de/htdocs_e/index.html
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.ca/search/label/Volker%20Beck
http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-sexual-revolution-and-children-how-the-left-tookthings-too-far-a-702679.html
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/past-pedophile-links-haunt-german-green-party-a899544.html
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/uploads/multiple_upload/1379d2dd-886f-86fa-4fb03d5ba023fb35_Pedofilske%20alijanse.pdf Pedofilske alijanse u Njemačkoj
Larry Kramer (aktivist, začetnik ACT UP-a), Pat Califa (NAMBLA)
"In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers
or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps
even solicits it, either because of a natural curiosity that will or will not develop along these
lines, or because he or she is homosexual and innately knows it. This is far from
"recruitment." Obviously, there are instances in which the child is unwilling, and is a victim of
sexual abuse, homo- or heterosexual. But, as with straight children anxious for the
experience with someone of the opposite sex, these are kids who seek solicit, and consent
willingly to sex with someone of the same sex. And unlike girls or women forced into rape and
traumatized, most gay men have warm memories of their earliest and early sexual
encounters; when we share these stories with each other, they are invariably positive ones."
Kramer, L (1981) Reports from the Holocaust. NY: St. Martin's Press p.234)
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=137
- http://www.iskorak.hr/wp-content/uploads/files/pt-prava2006.pdf Dana 22. veljače 2006.
zaprimili smo prijave od strane D. P. (50) i H. V. (18) u vezi
Larry Brinkin (San Francisco Human Rights Commision)
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/san-francisco-s-gay-icon-larry-brinkinguilty-felony-child-porn
Terrence Bean (Human Rights Campaign)
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/co-founder-of-leading-gay-activist-group-charged-for-abusingminor
Harry Hay (NAMBLA, američka komunistička partija)
Because if the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from
their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-,
and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world. [7]
http://www.conservapedia.com/Harry_Hay
David Thorstad (born 1941), is United States political activist and historian of the gay rights
movement. Thorstad was a founding member of the North American Man-Boy Love Association
(NAMBLA) and was also a former president of New York’s Gay Activists Alliance.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Gay_rights_movement
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Samuel Ray Delany, Jr. (born 1942) is an American author and has served as a professor at
many universities. Many of Delany's books have been in the science fiction genre. Delany is an
atheist.[1] Delaney said he was a supporter of the North American Man-Boy Love Association
(NAMBLA).(Delany, Samuel R.; Freedman, Carl (2009). Conversations with Samuel R. Delany.
Univ. Press of Mississippi, page 143)
Oscar Wilde
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty#England
http://www.conservapedia.com/Oscar_Wilde#Wilde.27s_Sexuality
Frank Lombard
http://law.rightpundits.com/?p=564&cp=2#comments
http://iamsoannoyed.com/?p=2010e
http://www.standfirminfaith.com/index.php/site/article/23600 Satcher Institute lesbian Representative
Tammy Baldwin
http://abcnews.go.com/News/story?id=7942546&page=1
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1178354/Gay-rights-campaigner-led-double-life-leaderpaedophile-ring-carried-catalogue-child-abuse.html
http://www.rpvnetwork.org/profiles/blogs/gay-adoption-horror-duke
Peter Tatchell
http://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/the-homosexual-movements-push-for-adult-child-sex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Tatchell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Asgari_and_Ayaz_Marhoni
Karl Heinrich Ulrichs
The Urning is not by a hair’s breadth any more dangerous to immature boys than the genuine
man is to immature girls. For the rest, I gladly leave the child molester to his deserved
punishment by the law. Let the integrity of a will-less minor be sacred to every Urning. I
have no defense for whoever touches it. Therefore, let the seduction of immature boys, I
grant it completely, be a punishable indecent act (Ulrichs:16).
Kaitlyn Hunt
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/08/20/2494111/the-morning-pride-august-20-2013
John Maynard Keyness
http://www.conservapedia.com/John_Maynard_Keynes_and_pederasty
http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2008/01/keyness-jew-boy-quickie/220620
podržavao harry haya)
(navodno
The Brotherly Love, Freedom and Diversity party (PNVD)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_reform:
In 1979, the now-defunct Dutch Pacifist Socialist Party supported an unsuccessful petition to
lower the age of consent to 12.[32] (But see section on Netherlands in 'Changes enacted into
law'.)
In 1977 while a reform in the French penal code was under discussion in the parliament, a
petition to decriminalize of all consented relations between adults and minors below the age
of fifteen was sent to Parliament but did not succeed in changing the law.[33] In 1978 the
petition was discussed in a broadcast by radio France Culture in the program "Dialogues", with
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the transcript later published under the title Sexual Morality and the Law in a book by Michel
Foucault. The participants, including Foucault, play-writer/actor Jean Danet and novelist/gay
activist Guy Hocquenghem had all signed the petition.
Matthew Waites
COC (Dutch Cultural and Recreational Center)
http://sluggerotoole.com/2008/08/29/p-robinson-forced-to-hand-out-money-to-gay-pride-and-whatdid-iris-say
http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=63613
B4U-ACT
http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/gay-laws-set-stage-for-pedophilia-rights
http://pjmedia.com/blog/b4u-acts-rogues-gallery/3 (i kako 'liberali'/feministice navodno mogu povuci
granicu http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2011/08/18/salon-flubs-reporting-on-child-predators)
http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/339113
Butterfly Kisses
http://www.wnd.com/2002/07/14612
http://www.wikigrain.org/?req=Butterfly+Kisses+(group)
http://www.fact.on.ca/news/news0207/bf_supergirls.pdf
http://www.asylumnation.com/asylum/showthread.php?threadid=22989
APA
http://www.wnd.com/1999/06/231
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Ginsberg (gay budist branio nambla-u)
"The HHS [US Health and Human Services] just recently stated that children and INFANTS are
sexual beings...." ... "so what...No where does this say that it is acceptable for adults to have
sex with children" ... to je samo početak, ako to ne kaže da jest prihvatljivo reci ti zašto nije?
u svim propedofilskim organizacijama su uvijek homoseksualci...
http://a12iggymom.wordpress.com/2011/08/23/seeing-greece-has-done-it-can-pedophilia-be-far-from-beingaccepted-as-just-another-sex-orientation-in-us
In 1995 the homosexual magazine "Guide" said, "We can be proud that the gay
movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out
loud that children are naturally sexual" and "deserve the right to sexual
expression with whoever they choose. …" The article went on to say: "Instead of
fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good,
including children's sexuality … we must do it for the children's sake."
REPORT: PEDOPHILIA MORE COMMON AMONG 'GAYS' http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia
http://www.ipce.info/newsletters/e_24/art3_equality.htm
http://www.rslevinson.com/gaylesissues/features/collect/onetime/bl_platform1972.htm
7i8
GayDays @ DisneyWorld Disneyland http://www.gaydays.com
@ Busch Gardens @ King's Dominion
http://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/2012/04/10/electronic-arts-fights-backlash-against
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http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=500474
http://daleoleary.wordpress.com/2013/02/22/the-boy-scouts-legitimate-concerns
http://www.wondercafe.ca/discussion/relationships/shouldnt-rights-pedophiles-be-enforced?page=1
"7. People give children pleasure by doing non-sexual things with them and this is accepted. Children are
taken places to see things, they are given toys and games, and they are played with in general. If you
tickle a kid or give them a raspberry they'll laugh and have fun and nobody disapproves of it. But if that
tickling hand goes below the belt, it's automatically rape. "Oh no," they say, "That pleasure is not
allowed." WTF.
8. I'll say it outright, I have no problems with pedophilia or sexuality between adults and children.
Children, teenagers, and adults all can have pleasure, social bonding, and sharing of love by having sex."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Singer
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sexual-anarchy-the-kinsey-legacy
http://www.conservapedia.com/Richard_Dawkins_on_child_molestation_and_so_called_%22gentle_pedophiles
%22
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/positive-correlation-between-homosexual-sex-abuse-and-acceptance-ofhomosex
http://www.wnd.com/2006/10/38264 Mark Foley
http://www.theinterim.com/2002/sept/02study.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petition_against_age_of_consent_laws
http://www.glbtq.com/literature/mackay_jh.html
http://theanarchistlibrary.org/HTML/Robert_P._Helms__Leaving_Out_the_Ugly_Part___On_Hakim_Bey.html
http://libcom.org/library/paedophilia-and-american-anarchism-the-other-side-of-hakim-bey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Kennedy
Pedophiles want same rights as homosexuals http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/?p=11517
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/eroding_the_age_of_consent
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lower-the-age-of-consent-to-13-why-stop-there
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/88535-britanski-sud-oslobodio-slikara-pipkanje-djece-nije-zlocin-ako-jeumjetnost-u-pitanju.html
http://hrsvijet.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=27481%3Apedofilska-prolost-njemakihzelenih&catid=43%3Aglas-h
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/page/o-pedofiliji
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/pedofilski-savezi
http://www.vigilare.org/priopcenje/nulta-tolerancija-za-zagovaratelje-pedofilije-u-hrvatskoj-gdje-odlazinovac-hrvatskih
http://www.dnevno.hr/magazin/lifestyle/112354-lijepa-cetverogodisnja-muca-maca-rtl-ova-transeksualcasalome-promice-pedofiliju-to-je-protiv-boga-i-ljudskog-mladi-nemojte-se-povesti.html
http://www.hkv.hr/izdvojeno/vai-prilozi/ostalo/prilozi-graana/15237-u-hrvatskoj-se-snima-u-bih-dvaputodbijeni-film-koji-promice-pedofiliju.html
http://savecalifornia.com/5-16-12-parents-urged-to-boycott-public-school-celebrations-of-teen-predatorharvey-milk-on-may-22.html
–
whitewash:
www.reverseshot.com/article/milk
http://jonestownapologistsalert.blogspot.com/2009/02/milk-another-peoples-temple-political.html
zar bi ste im oduzeli pravo na sreću http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4833913/8-year-oldschoolboy-marries-a-61-year-old-mum-of-five.html ?
seks ed kao uci djecu da cine "informed choice"...zasto onda ne mogu napraviti "informirani
izbor"
da
budu
"intimni"
sa
starijim
od
sebe...?
values
clarification
http://www.maranathacommunity.org.uk/pdf/sept-08-sex-and-relaionship-education-review.pdf
rentboy
boychat
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http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=WT02G1
Secret History: Kinsey's Paedophiles [Tim Tate] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVC-1d5ib50
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3704337510629412177#
http://www.thekinseysyndrome.com
http://www.voiceofrevolution.com/2011/11/15/the-pedophile-elephant-in-the-gay-activist-closet
http://www.moneyteachers.org/Sponsors.html
http://www.blessedcause.org/protest/pedophila%20homosexual.htm
Gay Activist Ring Leader of Paedophile Ring in Scotland http://www.davidicke.com/articles/child-abusemainmenu-74/30693-scottish-paedophile-ring-exposed
James Rennie http://www.realclearreligion.com/index_files/fd0150fefcd171340e2122fe24a084a4-582.php
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jSqIxM-9KE
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cindy-abel/jerry-sandusky-cover-up-gay_b_1097336.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Sandusky
http://pecangroup.org/archives/5457
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2011/08/18/salon-flubs-reporting-on-child-predators
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/mark-shea/up-next-glamorizing-pedophiles
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2012/10/28/gay-former-tory-mp-linked-with-abuse-scandal
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/child-molestation-and-homosexuality-2
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/evil-attendees-at-prominent-pro-pedophilia-conference-horrified-bysessions
http://www.ipce.info/host/sandfort_87
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/events07/youthpride07/common.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux
http://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF08L46.pdf
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/86423-britanska-odvjetnica-dosta-je-ovakve-pedofilije-prisilan-seksodraslih-i-djece-iznad-13-godina-je-samo-sitan-prijestup.html
http://blog.dnevnik.hr/zoranostric/2013/04/1631632748/marginalije-uz-spolni-odgoj-2-gert-hekma-uzagrebu.html
http://www.firstthings.com/article/2009/11/how-pedophilia-lost-its-cool
http://en.boywiki.org/wiki/Journal_of_Homosexuality
http://newgon.com/wiki/Journal_of_Homosexuality
http://www.narth.com/docs/arguecase.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedo_Alert_News
"by acknowledging the affinity between homosexuality and pedophilia, the COC has quite possibly made it easier
for homosexual adults to become more sensitive to erotic desires of younger members of their sex, thereby
broadening gay identity" http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/02/child-molestation-and-homosexuality-2
http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722
http://www.americananglican.org/money-sex-indaba-corrupting-the-anglican-communion-listening-process
satcher
http://www.elitesecurity.org/t426617
http://bunyipitude.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/boys-own-story.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2281373/posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catamite
http://www.narth.com/docs/pedophNEW.html
http://americansfortruth.com/2011/06/15/openly-homosexual-cnn-anchor-don-lemon-was-molested-as-boy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1086908/posts
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=WT02G1
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS02E3
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/9/23/94446.shtml
http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Others/Others-Doc-Sex/+Doc-Sex-Pedophilia&Incest/Pedophilia&TheAPA.htm
http://www2.hu-berlin.de/sexology/GESUND/ARCHIV/MoserKleinplatz.htm
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/duke/041202
http://www.menstuff.org/issues/byissue/pedophile.html
http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/conspiracy/coverups/reisman.html
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1994 Oregon Senate Bill 586 proposed that anyone who "established emotional ties with child may file ... for
custody, guardianship, visitation" if they had "a relationship ... within the six months ... through interaction,
companionship, interplay and mutuality."
www.boychat.org
http://publicvigil.blogspot.com/2011/07/public-pedophiles.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpN_QTRcrVQ
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/27/opinion/l-plato-on-homosexuality-238493.html
http://www.crol.hr/portal/lezbocosmo/lifestyle/4698-lezbijke-vie-vole-starije-ene.html
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Međutim, taman da se nekim čudom (u što ne vjerujem, jer mi zdrav razum nalaže da ne vjerujem)
dokaže da su pedofilija i zoofilija u redu i poznavajući sebe i sve homoseksualne ljude s kojima se
družim, čvrsto vjerujem da mi to ne bismo nikad prihvatili i da bismo svi od reda to najžešće osudili.
Istinski nam se gadi kad se manipulira i iskorištava nešto što je nevino, nezrelo i ne može (još) odlučivati
samo za sebe.
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Iz ovoga (i onoga prije da se tvoji stavovi "srećom" podudaraju sa znanstvenim otkrićima) daje se
zaključiti da:
a) su tvoji stavovi (i to oni etičko normativne prirode) u konačnici neovisni o znanstvenim "istinama" ili
činjenicama
b) si u stanju jednostavno ne prihvatiti/odbiti "znanstvenu istinu".
Oboje su općenito stvari koje se pripisuju i prigovaraju upravo vjernicima, (b) se štoviše poistovjećuje s
dogmatizmom/fundamentalizmom/iracionalnošću/zatucanošću. U ovom kontekstu možda ironično (a) je
zapravo u suštini ispravan stav (u svjetlu Humea i Moorea odnosno naturalističke logičke pogreške) no s
obzirom na tvoje inzistiranje na znanosti pa i hvaljenje istom na ovoj temi, čak u istom postu (a u
proturječnosti s (a)), moram te pitati na koji bi to način znanost mogla "dokazati" da je nešto etički
ispravno ili ne?
Normativnom etikom bavi se filozofija morala i npr upravo Peter Singer [autor radikalnog pokreta za
oslobođenje životinja (npr. davanje velikim majmunima statusa osobe), "moralni ateist" i vegan koji
nasmiješeno objavljuje "krah tradicionalnih vrijednosti i svetosti ljudskog života", brani pravo na pobačaj,
eutanaziju, opravdani infanticid, eugeniku, bilo kakvo "igranje" s ljudskim embrijima...i naravno stavlja
seksualnost izvan sfere morala, ukratko dakle jedna prava zvijezda zornica na progresivno liberalnom
nebu, a uz to i profesor etike na Princetonu i autor teksta o etici u Britannici...(mi zaostale duše pomalo
već vidimo prizore iz knjige Otkrivenja...)] kaže da ne vidi ništa sporno u seksualnom odnosu čovjeka i
drugih životinja (svi smo mi braća i sestre, djeca iste evolucije).
S obzirom da:
- je jedini prigovor koji si ponudila za seks između čovjeka i životinje odnosno odraslog i nezrelog
čovjeka iskorištavanje žrtve
- (pretpostavljam kao liberalni homoseksualac) dijeliš progresivni stav da seks ne spada u moralnu sferu
zaključujem da ne vidiš u tim činima ništa loše i po samog "počinitelja", (odralsog) čovjeka (iz čega
direktno slijedi pitanje može li općenito čovjek učiniti nešto moralno loše po samog sebe) te da je jedini
problem u iskorištavanju odnosno prisili. (K)Ako je zoofilni odnosno pedofilni odnos moguć i bez prisile
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(Singer odnosno 'Stranka bratske ljubavi, slobode i različitosti' iz presvijetle Nizozemske) čini se da smo
ostali bez (progresivnih utilitarističkih) protuargumenta i da oba ta odnosa općenito mogu biti "u redu"
(ljubav bez granica)...?
Možebitni argument "iskorištavanja" u pedofilskom odnosu u smislu da je dijete nekako manipulirano ili
zavedeno (pa tek posljedicom toga svojevoljno pristalo na odnos) ima više problema:
- zašto je zavođenje općenito loše (ne narušava nužno slobodu zavedenog)?
- zašto je zavođenje djeteta loše a zavođenje odraslog nije (zavođenje je sastavni dio seksa)?
- zašto seksualni odnos između djeteta i djeteta jest ili može biti u redu, za razliku od onog između
djeteta i odraslog, zar djeca nisu sposobna za zavođenje ili iskorištavanje?
- ako seks ne spada u moralnu sferu zašto onda radimo problem/iznimku kada su u pitanju djeca (tj.
zašto isti problem ne radimo kod drugih općenito amoralnih odnosa između odraslog i djeteta ili djeteta i
djeteta, npr. razgovor, igranje, šetanje, druženje,...)?
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Swinging with the saints - thou shalt not count
"We polyamorists are grateful to our [LGBT] brothers and sisters for blazing the marriage
equality trail."216
Anita Wagner Illig, glasnogovornica Practical Polyamory organizacije
"Monogamy is ridiculous."217
Dan Savage
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/14/Federal-Judge-Rules-Laws-Against-PolygamyUnconstitutional
Here come the brides http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/494pqobc.asp?
pg=2#
http://www.24sata.hr/sudbine/monogamija-nije-za-njih-nasla-sam-muzu-curu-da-bude-sretan-342778
http://www.salon.com/2013/08/05/my_two_husbands
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/auckland-city-council-subsidizes-event-on-queer-polyamory-relationships
"Throuple"
http://nymag.com/news/features/benny-morecock-throuple
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-next-marriage-redefinition-massachusetts-lesbian-throupleexpecting-the
http://narod.hr/svijet/prvi-brakovi-u-troje-dolaze-iz-tajlanda-sad
“Monogamish”
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=monogamish
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=11412386
http://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/features/2011/07/07/monogamish
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/shameless-woman/201107/the-monogamish-marriage-what-ifits-not-cheating-cheat
http://www.monogamyanditsdiscontents.com
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gregory-cason-phd/monogamish_b_2806022.html
http://www.bravotv.com/la-shrinks/season-1/videos/life-can-sometimes-suck
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-other-super-bowl-ad-dan-savage-proud-of-butterfingercommercial-promoti
=naomi====================
Tea 28 piše: <<i svingeri recimo nikome ne štete...što meni, osobno, je nepojmljivo za bračnu zajednicu..
i degutantno....>>
Vidiš, meni su swingeri najmanje licemjerni. Svi se zajedno vesele, nema skrivanja i sve se zna. :D)))
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Onda se postavlja pitanje zašto i sama nisi veseli iskreni swinger? Ili pak je li ti žao što ti roditelji nisu bili
swingeri?
216 http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/polygamists-gay-marriage-ruling/2013/06/27/id/512233
217 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8SOQEitsJI
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Koja je razlika između swinganja i "bilo kuda qiqi svuda" veselice (u smislu Nolanovog Loganovog
bijega ili Huxleyevog Vrlog novog svijeta)?
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Ja bih da mogu birati voljela imati 2 tate i 2 mame.
Dakle, da su 2 tate i 2 mame super prijatelji i da su odlučili imati dijete.
I da svi žive u istoj kući. Tate na jednom katu mame na drugom. Koliko bi tu ljubavi bilo za to dijete.
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Znači li to da ti tvoji prirodni otac i majka nisu bili dovoljni? Ili je samo koncept tate i mame "na istom
katu" prenastran u novoj ideologiji?
Znači li to da je dovoljno biti prijatelj s nekim i automatski imati "pravo" na dijete? Zašto diskriminiraš
one koji nemaju ili ne žele prijatelje? Odakle molim te proizlazi to "pravo" na dijete? Ako smo svi mi
tako neke (možebitno) vrijedne osobe kako netko može imati "pravo" na drugu osobu?
I zašto da budu samo prijatelji? Zar ne bi bilo manje licemjerno da budu svi na istom katu kao swingeri?
Ili možda poligamija više kotira na progresivnoj ljestvici (ponekad se zbunim)?
I zašto se tako konzervativno držiš tog broja dva? Zašto ne x puta po y potpuno proizvoljnih bića pa nek'
se množi ta neka "ljubav"? Uostalom "pravi ljevičari" odavno drže da je brak buržoazijsko dekadentno
oružje i da djecu treba odgajati zajednica. Petnaest teta u vrtiću imaju više ljubavi nego dvoje
indoktrinirajućih bioloških roditelja.
Zar je ljubav neka tvar koje svatko ima grumen (homoseksualci i po dva) u džepu pa što više to bolje?
I onda crkva ispire mozak...dijele li se kakvi vaši katekizmi po queer festivalima? Ili je krunica omotana
oko fluorescentnog dilda na "kondom i krunica" partiju domet multicoloured ljubavi i tolerancije?218
Da imaš i samo iskrenu želju veze sa stvarnim svijetom barem bi naslutila da su ove tvoje vesele ideje
teške (i zapravo monstruozne) budalaštine što evo i ja kao zaostali "prirodni" otac mogu posvjedočiti:
dijete u ključnim trenucima često traži ljubav, zajedništvo, pažnju i utjehu upravo majke i oca i to mu ali
ama baš nitko ne može nadomjestiti, ma koliko se trudili (a puni iskrene ljubavi i namjere) sve bake i
djedovi i kume i susjede i tete i rodbina i prijatelji (možda bi pomoglo da su swingeri?). Štoviše nekad
svu to ekstra "multi ljubav" odbija i želi biti samo isključivo s roditeljima (često baš s određenim,
mamom ili tatom)...
Nažalost, već neko vrijeme imamo prilike vidjeti kako ove šarene ideje izgledaju u praksi:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047671/High-Court-judges-blast-gay-parents-fighting-little-sisters.html
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/dva-homoseksualca-nakon-raskida-podijelila-blizance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNczYdAVx5o Court orders sperm donor to pay child support
Dan Savage:
• Why monogamy is ridiculous http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8SOQEitsJI
218 http://queer.hr/galerije/kondom-krunica-party
http://queer.hr/web/wp-content/gallery/kondom&krunica%20party/thumbs/thumbs_kondom&krunica_party_01.jpg
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promiskuitetnost
monogamnost
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http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?
www.nytimes.com/2011/07/03/magazine/infidelity-will-keep-us-together.html
monogamish http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=11412386
Catholic church http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-WqjAGihoM
bully, Ben Shapiro
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sowLxhiqys
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YezvbjwwWlA
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=419087
http://www.amazon.com/dp/0452284163/ref=rdr_ext_tmb
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/tv-continues-its-campaign-to-ruin-sex
http://www.academia.edu/654320/Whats_queer_about_non-monogamy_now
http://ssqrg.org/author/eleanor
~500000 poliamoričnih kućanstava u SAD-u
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyamory
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/07/28/only-you-and-you-and-you.html
“The M word”
http://www.ashleymadison.com
Offers $1 Million To Prove Tim Tebow Is NOT A Virgin
“Over 30,000,000 members with someone new joining every 4 seconds”
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/eeoc_nominee_signed_radical_marriage_manifesto_that_praised_po
lygamy
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/87493-poslije-istospolnog-slijedi-nam-grupni-brak.html
http://dailyxtra.com/toronto/ideas/features/complicated
We have laws supporting multiple wives already, only in sequence. All former wives that were
married to the same man for ten years or more are allowed to claim Social Security benefits
from the same husband if they don't remarry. There may be some men that have five or more
wives claiming divorced spouse S.S. benefits from their lifetime earnings. How can the system
support all of those former wives?
Sex at dawn
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http://lesswrong.com/lw/2hq/against_the_standard_narrative_of_human_sexual
http://faithvictoria.wordpress.com/2011/02/06/sex-at-dawn-but-nonsense-at-noon
http://www.politicalflavors.com/2011/01/10/can-i-have-my-monogamy-and-happiness-too
http://bedsider.tumblr.com/post/12528000671/in-review-why-i-wanted-to-hate-sex-at-dawn-but
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/07/27/ryan.promiscuity.normal/index.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24363896/?i=7&from=monogamy
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/04/gay-marriage
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/marriage-equality-means-legalized-polygamy-too-slate-columnist
http://polyadvocacy.ca/no-appeal-we-need-your-help-on-long-term-strategy:
"Eliminating Section 293 entirely is still a CPAA goal" "Innocent people are at risk"
http://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com
http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/category/monogamy
http://americansfortruth.com/issues/the-agenda-glbtq-activist-groups/pro-homosexual-media/andrew-sullivan
http://www.creators.com/opinion/phyllis-schlafly/obama-makes-polygamy-a-21st-century-issue.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/judges-ruling-that-kentucky-must-recognize-foreign-gay-marriages-mayopen-d
http://sexualities.sagepub.com/content/13/6/748.full.pdf Whatever happened to non-monogamies
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http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/421
Gloria Steinem, Barbara Ehrenreich, Cornel West
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terisa_Greenan
http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/center/rome/papers/Elizabeth_Brake_minimizing_marriage_ROME.pdf
http://www.amazon.com/Minimizing-Marriage-Morality-Feminist-Philosophy/dp/0199774137 (strana 157)
individuals can have legal marital relationships with more than
one person, reciprocally or asymmetrically, themselves deter
http://www.harvard-jlpp.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/GeorgeFinal.pdf str 276
argument iz prirodnosti/urođenosti -> stankovic vs stojic "pa za zar nije monogamija neprirodna"
http://reason.com/blog/2004/02/24/principle-n-look-it-up-cheryl
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/301
http://www.christianpost.com/news/sister-wives-family-challenges-polygamy-law-no-surprise-for-christians52193:
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#1 The article you linked to is taking place in Utah, not Canada, and is therefore not relevant to the "crumbling
of Canadian society"
#2 They aren't looking to make polygamy - the ability to marry more than one person - legal. They only have one
legally recognized marriage in that family. They are looking challenge the idea that consenting adults in a
relationship should be arrested for having a consenting, adult relationship. Or a number of relationships, as the
case may be.
#3 Why is it that if a man has several mistresses and one wife, and the wife is being lied to and the mistresses
not supported and any potential out-of-wedlock children aren't being supported, that's perfectly legal, but then
as soon as everyone is fully aware and consenting of the situation, that should lead to arrests? Riddle me that.
>>
<<
I'm squicked out by the sister wives, because I find the circumstances to be hypocritical (they husband thinks it's
revolting to consider the women having more than one husband), but they are all adults and all perfectly willing
to live in such an arrangement, so why is that any of our business? There's no children or abuse involved... and
there's already laws that cover those situations, so I actually hope they win their case.
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woody_Allen
<<
Consider the norm of monogamy. Judith Stacey—a prominent New York University professor who testified
before Congress against the Defense of Marriage Act and is in no way regarded by her academic colleagues as a
fringe figure—expressed hope that the triumph of the revisionist view would give marriage “varied, creative, and
adaptive contours . . . [leading some to] question the dyadic limitations of Western marriage and seek . . . small
group marriages.”90
In their statement “Beyond Same-Sex Marriage,” more than 300 “LGBT and allied” scholars and
advocates—including prominent Ivy League professors—call for legal recognition of sexual relationships involving
more than two partners.91
Professor Brake thinks that we are obligated in justice to use such legal recognition to “denormalize[]
heterosexual monogamy as a way of life” for the sake of “rectifying past discrimination against homosexuals,
bisexuals, polygamists, and care networks.”92
http://www.harvard-jlpp.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/GeorgeFinal.pdf 277...
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Anderson_(sociologist) gay The Monogamy Gap: Men, Love and the Reality of
Cheating http://living.msn.com/love-relationships/love-sex/is-monogamy-outdated
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/kenya-legalizes-polygamy
http://olivermeredithcox.wordpress.com/2012/01/29/achbishop-ad-antiquitum (polygamy)
Prigovor 1: Pogreška u kategoriji, ograničenje u broju ljudi na sve utječe jednako.
Odgovor: I zabrane miješanih brakova su također utjecale na sve jednako pa su opet rasističke. I, naravno, ne
utječe na sve ljude jednako: "bez razumne osnove šalje poruku da su poliamorične veze manje vrijedne od
binarnih".
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Krv nije voda
(Interrodna ljubav)
“The fundamental right of adult siblings to sexual self-determination is to be weighed more
heavily than the abstract idea of protection of the family.”
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/decriminalize-incest-says-german-gvmts-ethics-council
"After all, if two consenting siblings want to have sex in the privacy of their home, who are
you to object? How does their love affect your relationship? And if Hollywood wants to show
it onscreen, what power do you have to try to stop them?"
http://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2012/09/12/hollywood_star_embraces_incest
http://dnevno.hr/magazin/bizarno/111515-nakon-vjencanja-saznali-da-su-brat-i-sestra.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/actor-adam-baldwin-if-we-accept-same-sex-marriagewhy-not-let-fathers-marry
Transhuman
“There is no marriage, yet, for human beings and animals… I never thought that I
would fall in love like this with a cat.”
Karl Lagerfeld @ CNN's Fashion Week219
"Why we have such a taboo on this [human-animal sex]? ... "It's not common but is
it wrong?"220
Peter Singer,
profesor bioetike na Princetonu,
ateist, vegan, osnivač Pokreta za oslobođenje životinja
"The student of human folkways is inclined to see a considerable body of
superstition in the origins of all such [bestiality] taboos..."
"the forces which bring individuals of the same species together in sexual
relations, may sometimes serve to bring individuals of different species together
in the same types of sexual relations."
Alfred Kinsey, Sexual behavior in the human male (Animal contacts, str. 669)
http://queer.hr/34224/bestiarum-je-mjesto-slavlja-tolerancije
http://thefetishistas.com/index.php?menu=3&sub=31&display=813 (Bestiarium u Hrvatskoj)
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2013/06/slippery-slopes
http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2009-08-20/news/those-who-practice-bestiality-say-they-re-part-ofthe-next-gay-rights-movement
219 http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/news/karl-lagerfeld-says-he-wants-to-get-married-to-his-cat-8640689.html
220 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pG01ASbgyM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Singer#Bestiality
153
http://www.volokh.com/2013/12/16/brown-v-buhman-bestiality
https://www.facebook.com/events/213095495447744 gay pet pride
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/88446-strucnjaci-upozoravaju-uskoro-cemo-imati-zahtjeve-za-legalizacijom-brakacovjeka-i-zivotinje.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pope-francis-vatican-excommunicates-aussie-priest-who-backed-gay-marriage-g
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I još moram reć onima koji spominju stvari tipa pedofilija, incest ili zoofiliju. Što se incesta i
zoofilije tiče, ako će to netko radit u svoja 4 zida i ako nitko ne dolazi do štete u tome, i ako
su u pitanju zrele, odrasle osobe. Nije me briga.
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Zar nisu "zidovi za zatvorenike"?
A tu je opet i neizbježan domet "prosvijećenog razuma", utilitaristički "moral" i
"proračunavanje štete". Koji je točno problem u "šteti" (osim u sigurnosti "socijalnog
ugovora")? Kako znamo da moj užitak/dobitak nije (meni) veći od (tebi) tvoje patnje/štete? Ili
pak postoji neka nadsvijest koja objektivno percipira ukupnu štetu? Kako točno ovdje
odredimo štetu ako je seksualnost izvan sfere morala i ako objektivne vrijednosti i svrha ne
postoje?
Možeš li dati primjer incestoidnog ili zoofilnog odnosa u kojem ne "dolazi" do "štete"?
Da ti možebitna supruga ili sestra ima ljubavnu vezu s možebitnom kćeri ili možebitni sin s
orangutanom bi li te i dalje ne bilo briga?
Homoseksualnost i općenito neprokreativna seksualnost direktno uklanja/ukida biološku
prepreku za incest (genetske malformacije) i pretvara ga u "samo još jedan tabu".
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Zoofilija nije u domeni međuljudskih odnosa. Ruku na srce, ako netko želi spavat sa konjem,
samo naprijed. Znam žene koje to rade, doduše sa metaforičnim konjima :) Sve dok ne graniči
sa zlostavljanjem životinja, ja, ako ću biti iskren, nemam argument protiv tako nečeg.
Doduše imam argument protiv te osobe kada traži da se legalizira brak između osobe i
životinje :)
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da ti je dijete zoofil bili vidio u tome problem i po vlastito dijete ili samo po životinju?
First of note that zoophiles are attracted to and care for the animals, where as beastialists
just use them for personal pleasure void of emotion (not necessarily hurting the animal, but
still).
If anyone can answer me how exactly a human getting down on all fours and then a dog
getting up onto the humans back and performing the deed is raping the dog, let me know. Or
how about the animals that could literally squash us to pieces if they don't like something?
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It isn't an issue unless animals are getting hurt or forced into the acts, and anyone telling me
otherwise is trying to enforce their morals. Which is by far a worse "crime".
The first audience member to ask a question twice asked Christopher Hitchens to label
bestiality as an immoral act, but he refused to do so.[120]
http://rt.com/usa/news/bestiality-military-sodomy-act-285
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=7337
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/donkey-sex-gets-thumbsup-from-censors20120914-25x24.html
http://americansfortruth.com/2008/05/31/gay-icon-kameny-says-bestiality-ok-as-long-asthe-animal-doesnt-mind
"Ja mislim da se tu radi o seksualnom zlostavljanju ljudi, prema kojima životinje ne znaju biti
u jednakoj mjeri nježne prema ljudima, budući da nemaju kontrolu nad svojim nagonima.
Evo ovom čovjeku je konj poderao debelo crijevo, pa je umro zbog srama jer se sramio takav
uneređen otići u bolnicu.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumclaw_horse_sex_case
Da nema takvih ljudi punih mržnje poput tebe danas bi bio živ. Ali zato što postoje takvi
poput tebe on je mrtav, jer se zbog osjećaja srama i straha od izopćenja iz društva nije otišao
u bolnicu liječiti.
Mogla bi malo razmisliti o svojim nazadnim stavovima."
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pa izmedju čovjeka i životinje nema u biti razlike... čovjek JEST životinja, sviđalo se to vama
ili ne...
samo kaj je čovjek životinja sa višom inteligencijom od ostlaih životinja to i povišena
empatija je jedino što imamo iznad drugih životinja, a svejedno neki ljudi zaboravljaju da je
to naša prednost pa se ponašaju ko i druge životinje :)
Iako nas majmuni polako prestižu... čito sam članak o tome kako je nekoliko majmuna,
neznam koje porodice, u zološkom vrtu počelo "maltretirat" jednog pačića. Alfa mužjak
skupine, kada je to vidio, usto se, došo do njih, klepnuo ih po glavi, uzeo pače i vratio ga
natrag svojoj majci. Tako da još malo pa jedino što će nas razlikovat od ostalih životinja je
mogućnost da razorimo planet :)
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A kada sam rekao da životinje to mogu? Dok ne budemo uspostavili komunikaciju sa njima,
nećemo znati, no stvar je u tome da je to uključeno u pojmu "inteligencija". Smisao
postojanja je doduše samo nešto čim se ljudi bave kad im je pretjerano dosadno. Ljudi su
posebni zato jer mogu razmišljati više nego jedan korak unaprijed i to ih čini inteligentnim.
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Šah je odličan primjer. Sjedit u prostoriji i razmišljat o tome dal nas je netko stvorio još nije
riješilo nijedan svjetski problem :)
baltazar,
zoofilija, pedofilija, nekrofilija, homoseksualnost...
vidiš li razliku? jedno je vezano za emocije, ostala 3 su vezani uz nagone, zato se i zovu
drugačije, točnije, imaju drugačije riječne korijene. Pas kada nešto zaskoči, slijedi nagon.
Čovjek kada nešto ubije za hranu, slijedi nagon. Čovjek koji svjesno odluči imat jednog
partnera do kraja života, čini suprotno od nagona :)
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BDSM – Intimacy 2.0
http://narod.hr/u-prijevodu/50-nijansi-sive-reklamiranje-mentalnog-poremecaja
Extrahuman
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Al homoseksualnost jest :)
dapače, čak i kanibalizam jest. samo što smo dovoljno pametni da zaključimo "hm... ako ću
ja jest druge, drugi će jest mene... možda bolje da to ne radim" :)
kod homoseksualnosti doduše tog nema... ne moš reć "ako ću ja u krevet sa istim spolom će
on i samnom" i zabrinut se :)
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http://web.archive.org/web/20021216233138/http://necrobabes.org/public/sites.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20021002100842/www.necrobabes.org/perroloco/forum/ccforu
m.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes
ps. srsly, to je najbolji argument koji "razumna strana" može ponuditi 'zašto drugome nešto ne raditi', da
ne bi i drugi tebi to isto činio?
Objectivism - larger than life
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_sexuality
http://www.objectum-sexuality.org
Eiffel tower marriage:
- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2074301/Woman-with-objects-fetish-marries-Eiffel-Tower.html
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xInWMRzEan8
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h93Q_RruQJY
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http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-jag-officer-highlights-absurdity-of-gay-marriageby-suing-to-marry-h
http://www.ranker.com/list/13-people-who-married-inanimate-objects/jude-newsome
http://www.thefrisky.com/2011-11-21/5-people-who-married-inanimate-objects
http://www.oddee.com/item_97042.aspx
http://www.designswan.com/archives/10-most-weirdest-marriages.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/16/the-weirdest-cases-of-peo_n_540554.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/104225-osuden-zbog-silovanja-bundeve-i-camca-nanapuhavanje.html
Gnothi seauton - We come full circle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-marriage
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/25/nadine-schweigert-woman-marries-herself_n_1546024.html
http://www.oddee.com/item_97042.aspx (2)
http://webtv.dnevno.hr/u-lezbijskom-klincu-sa-samom-sobom
<nesortirano>
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Napisao sam, vidim problem da se homoseksualci udaju u crkvi, jer to Crkva zabranjuje. No
oni to pravo niti ne žele :)
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http://queeringthechurch.com
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2383686/Millionaire-gay-fathers-sue-Church-England-allowingmarried-church.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2007/oct/07101004 221
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/church-of-england-rejects-gay-blessings-and-will-not-ordain-clergy-in-gay-m
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lesbian-my-childs-catholic-baptism-shows-the-acceptance-weve-won-inlegaliz
http://protectthepope.com/?p=8422
http://jesusinlove.blogspot.com
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/13b/pride_week/parade-festival/religion/index.html
http://whereisfrhaley.blogspot.com/2012/07/queering-church-it-goes-on-apace.html
http://lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.com/2012/07/the-queering-of-church.html
http://lesfemmes-thetruth.blogspot.com/2012/07/queering-of-church-part-ii.html
http://www.crol.hr/portal/lezbocosmo/neznalice/4755-odlazi-iz-crkve-jer-je-kolege-diskriminiraju.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/thousands-protest-new-contracts-requiring-catholic-school-teachers-tosuppo
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/uproar-as-navy-chaplain-may-be-fired-over-christian-views-on-sexuality
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-bishop-backs-church-that-barred-openly-gay-man-from-serving
http://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/state-afl-cio-president-my-hats-off-to-immigration-group-for-saying-hell-no
www.lifesitenews.com/news/rick-warren-wont-change-on-gay-marriage-because-i-fear-gods-disapproval-not
Notre-Dame-Hosts-‘Gender-and-Childhood’-Conference
221 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2007/oct/07101204
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/san-francisco-archdiocese-bans-drag-queens-from-parish-gay-group-indignant
157
"If you don't like Catholic education, don't get one!!"
http://www.lifesitenews.com/resources/what-the-un-really-wants-from-the-catholic-church-a-paragraph-byparagraph
Vortex: The Gay church http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYAs5z700ZU
Vortex: The gay question http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZCxknNRwg8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f87l4ueZmW8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f87l4ueZmW8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmtwV8iMK_o (bring back the inquisition)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4T6TGZIhKs (@sadržaj sinode)
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/notre-dame-president-creation-of-the-glbtq-group-is-a-big-step-forward
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-san-fran-archbishop-required-catholic-homosexual-group-to-sign-oath-of
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/lawmakers-pressure-san-francisco-archbishop-to-back-off-effort-to-uphold-ca
http://sex.sagepub.com/content/13/6/671.full.pdf islam
http://soc.sagepub.com/content/39/1/47.abstract Queering Religious Texts
http://www.lori.hr/forum/viewtopic.php?p=35070
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/priest-vows-to-transform-religious-teachings-on-homosexuality-at-un-mee
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-church-removes-39married39-gay-man-as-confirmation-teacherlector
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archdiocese-of-vienna-supports-priest-who-drew-the-line-on-homosexualparis
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/priest-who-defended-homosexual-marriage-transgenderism-defrocked-byvatican
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ontario-catholic-teachers-association-to-march-in-gay-worldpride-parade-in
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-gonzaga-university-considers-instituting-transgender-bathrooms
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/boycott-evangelicals-react-to-world-vision-decision-to-hire-gay-married-cou
http://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/lasting-worldwide-damage-from-the-family-synod
http://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/the-gay-inspiration-underlying-the-vatican-synods-interim-report
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/500000-lawsuit-against-lifesite-by-pro-choice-priest-is-over
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-leaders-criticize-cardinal-dolans-defense-of-gay-group-at-st.-patr
http://catholicbridge.com/catholic/bible_gay_sex_homosexual.php
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/12/bishop-of-antwerp-wants-ecclesiastical.html
http://www.bitno.net/kolumne/provokacije-krscana-sa-svih-strana-ili-ima-li-tog-filma-corpus-christi
Fr.
Guarnizo.
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/lesbian-woman-denied-communion-identifies-asbuddhist
note to archdiocese of Washington: You should take a note from Vienna and ACTUALLY SUPPORT your priests
instead of caving in.......
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/proposed-kansas-rule-may-force-churches-to-host-same-sexceremonies
“As a Catholic he married his lifelong partner Michael Shiosaki of twenty two years at St. Mark’s Episcopal
Church this last August because the Catholic church still will not have a priest officiate or allow the use of
Catholic churches for same sex marriages.”
http://blog.seattlepi.com/capitolhill/2013/12/20/students-protest-seattle-catholic-archdiocese-on-firing-ofteacher-zmuda
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/faculty-considered-asking-pope-to-stop-catholic-school-from-firing-vice-pri
DignityUSA LGBT Roman Catholics
New Ways Ministry queer Roman Catholics
Challenge the Church
tražiti dijete u katoličkim agencijama
http://www.slapupsidethehead.com/2006/08/wafer-nazi
An example of this is a recent demonstration in which homosexuals waved a banner which
declared “Proudly Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgendered and Proudly Catholic.” Dignity
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groups foster a similar self-deception. Gregory Baum, primary perverter of Catholic Truth in
Canada, advises homosexuals to remain in the Church and labour to change its teaching from
within.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/case-of-counselling-student-forced-to-undergo-pro-homosexual-sensitivitytr
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2008/feb/08020404
http://frcblog.com/2013/03/defining-marriage-what-harm-would-it-do-redefine-marriage
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/10/us/politics/10marriage.html?scp=4&sq=2006%20steps%20after%20same
%20sex%20marriage&st=cse
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=269418&http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?
abstract_id=269418
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/planned-parenthood-speaker-good-parents-let-teens-have-sex-at-home
http://www.onemillionmoms.com/issues/nbc%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%98the-new-normal%E2%80%99-is-anything-butnormal
http://stateofourunions.org/pdfs/SOOU2005.pdf
http://www.census.gov/population/www/socdemo/Krivickas-Lofquist%20PAA%202011.pdf
http://www.infoplease.com/us/census/same-sex-households.html
http://reason.com/archives/2004/03/01/opening-marriage
http://www.teachers.ab.ca/Publications/ATA%20Magazine/Volume%2092/Number-3/Pages/GenerationQueer.aspx
http://widget.newsinc.com/_cfvp/playlist16x9_player.html?
CID=507&WID=9641&VID=23610863&freewheel=90482&sitesection=sacbeepr_nws_non_sec (Miss Universe accepts
transgeneder contestants) e al zašto ne i muškarce ako je to sve isto i stvar izbora
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Abk1jAONjw&feature=youtu.be gaga
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/23/south-korea-lady-gaga-christian-group-prays_n_1445192.html?
ref=mostpopular seksualizacija
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/kraft-defends-rainbow-stuffed-gay-pride-oreo-as-reflection-of-our-values
http://www.superknjizara.hr/index.php?page=knjiga&id_knjiga=12921
http://www.superknjizara.hr/index.php?page=knjiga&id_knjiga=26484
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/the-catholic-churchs-terri-schiavo-scandal
http://www.onemillionmoms.com/issues/email-abc-and-disney-concerning-b-in-apt-23
www.massresistance.org/docs/parker_lawsuit/motion_to_dismiss_2007/order_motion_to_dismiss_022307.pdf
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2012/03/frr-mar-2012-%e2%80%94-marriage-and-sex-falling-out-of-favor
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2012/04/frr-apr-2012-%e2%80%94-boys-hpv-vaccine-the-homosexualconnection
http://www.crol.hr/portal/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4734&Itemid=483
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/08/19/california-docs-cant-refuse-to-treat-gays-on-basis-of-religious-beliefs
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peggy-drexler/how-to-talk-to-kids-about_b_1725459.html
ad removal of boy scout gay ban:
"This is simply a "win" for the homosexual/deviant community. I think we are wasting a lot of gray matter trying
to say something that has been said by the million. What we're not paying close enough attention to is the
deviant agenda. Now that "openly gay" boys are allowed in the next step will be the need to have "counsellors"
sympathetic to the "trials" of our "gay youth". There will be literature and classes for all of the boys to read and
there will most likely be some sort of badge that says you have successfully completed a regimine of sensitivity
training. It's all about indoctrination AND persuasion. This is one very smooth move by the gay community to
build it's numbers either by turning boys into gays or at least getting straight boys to be sympathetic to the
deviant lifestyle."
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{{L}} (I forgot my) mantra
Inkluzivno!
"koga boli *u*a* za loš dojam ljudi?!"
zagrebpride222
"Rod: Ako imaš ku*a* (a nisi genetski za*eb), onda si muškarac. Ako se osjećaš kao žena,
odreži ga. Transrodnost je fizička bolest koja se liječi promjenom spola. Ako nemaš
uvjete (dakle para) da to napraviš, sjeti se onih koji nemaju para da se pirsaju. Pirsani
nos nije ništa manje bitan za nečiji identitet od frankenštajnske pi*ke. Ne
suosjećam."223
Viktor Zahtila (Iskorak)
"Njihova filozofija zapravo se u krajnjoj liniji svodi na 'pederi su bolji od vas primitivnih
heteroseksualaca, zadrtih seljačina'."224
Dorino Manzin o radikalnim članovima Iskoraka
Bill Maher: "You republicans are like Arafat."
Dan Savage: "Unfortunately not exactly like him, but I wish they were all fu**ing dead."
"I sometimes think about fu**ing the shit out of Rick Santorum. I’m up for whipping up
some santorum in Santorum.”
Dan Savage, “američki Gordan Duhaček” @ Bill Maher's show225
http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/sramotan-napad-sdp-ovca-na-zeljku-markic-u-strasbourgu-vi-ste-kao-nacisteichmann
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-york-gov.-cuomo-planning-10-million-ad-buy-to-cast-gop-challenger-asri
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dr.-ben-carson-steps-down-as-college-speaker-after-furor-over-his-defenseo
http://www.thelocal.de/20140402/germanys-first-lesbian-cemetery-opens-in-berlin
222 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsBQGAL87Io
223 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAECH6nLFiM ~3:30
http://www.dernek.ba/blog/1058193/Selmiiicaaa/sexualna-orijentacija#ixzz2XQY5mHrw
224 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_UYIJ7bi8 ~3:45
225 http://ethicsalarms.com/2011/07/21/tardy-and-biased-ethics-half-hero-national-organization-for-women-now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wztzqAWYgjo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuZvmrmaw-Y
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Tolerantno!
"Ubij popove, pasje skotove."
izjava sudionika "marša za jednakost"226
"Carl Romanelli should be dragged behind a pickup truck
until there's nothing left but the rope".227
"Any progressive who votes for a Green anymore after Nader and now
Romanelli is a fucking idiot and should be beaten with sticks."
Dan Savage
"Meni je objavljivanje tog [HR gay imenka] imenika genijalna stvar,
tako treba prokazati sve ormaruše."228
Gordan Duhaček
"What really bothered me is, the whole idea is that at a liberal arts college,
we need to be hearing a diversity of opinion. I don’t think we should be
tolerating conservative views because that dominant culture embeds these
deep inequalities in our society."229
'liberalni' američki student
226 http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/87781-ljubav-i-tolerancija-na-djelu-ubi-popove-pasje-skotove.html
227 http://phillyist.com/2006/10/12/dan_savage_carl.php
228 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_UYIJ7bi8 ~7:45
prisilno 'outanje ormaruša':
http://www.jutarnji.hr/template/article/article-print.jsp?id=255369
http://bigblog.tportal.hr/ponosipredrasude?BlogCalendarDate=15.6.2012
http://dnevnik.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/lazni-sanader-je-viktor-zahtila-aktivist-iskoraka.html
229 http://washingtonexaminer.com/college-student-thinks-diversity-of-opinion-requires-not-tolerating-conservativeviews/article/2544065
161
230
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archbishop-prays-while-topless-gay-activists-shoutcurses-and-douse-him-wit
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/86766-foto-isus-voli-pedere-spaljen-stand-nacvjetnom-volonterka-opecena-poderane-liste-napad-biciklom.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/87036-pankerice-napale-stand-na-cvjetnom-ajutarnji-pise-da-su-gradani-to-gledali-s-odobravanjem.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51rR4aC9aMg dawkins mock them
http://www.voiceofrevolution.com/2012/04/03/the-not-so-massive-non-believers-rally-in-dc-by-dr-michaelbrown
<<
As a homosexual man my views on gay marriage have caused me much discrimination & rejection from within my
own camp. I am a realist in so far as not letting romantic storybook notions of mimicking the ancient
heterosexual institution of marriage to lead me down an aisle of illusions. Don't get me wrong I do believe in
equal legal rights, financial perks & respect for gay couples in the form of protection by a legal binding union. I
fall short of calling that union a marriage. I'm one of those guys who resisted the the reality of my sexuality for a
long time. As a young man in my 20's I ended up being married to a beautiful, loving girl who was my life for
several years rejecting a few same sex experiences in my teens as just experimentation & part of growing up.
Since facing my own reality & subsequent divorce from my beautiful wife I've have had three intimate
relationships with men over a 15 year period. The point I'm trying to get across is that I found that loving a man
& loving a woman to be two very different states of being & totally different lifestyles.
Some people especially the "GAY EXPERTS" say that I'm flawed because of my experience with marriage. I beg to
differ, I know what love and commitment means & the youth worshiping, show it all up front lifestyle of popular
gay culture has nothing to do with it. I am gay not bisexual & I don't sprall over life's copious banquet table. I
don't say I'm proud to be gay anymore than my late father would have said he was proud to be straight. Being a
realist I'm a quiet & steady crusader for civil rights for everyone & I don't feel the need to march in a gay pride
being a painted clown for the masses. There is so much more to me than gay, so I don't get hung up on that being
my sole definition in life. Gay life is different than straight life & saying I'm married to a guy won't change that
fact for this gay man. My mom & dad taught me, that the world doesn't have to accept me as long as I can love
& respect myself
>>
=naomi====================
Dvoje, troje ljudi mi je malo umirilo taj bijes, zapravo puno i nekako mislim da ću u ime njih i u svojem
društvu koje je izrazito antikatolički nastrojeno zauzimati afirmativniji i blaži stav.
==========================
Dobio sam dojam da je tvoje društvo izrazito tolerantno, puno ljubavi i razumijevanja za razliku od
patrijarhalnoidnih katolika koji su uglavnom ako ne i gotovo uvijek osuđujući licemjeri i uvijek anti*?
http://www.aztlan.net/homosexuals_sodomize_jesus_christ.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yRaZ2obRcU
230 http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/94585-gradanska-akcija-brise-gu-icu-drzavom-zastavom-i-himnom-a-franciskovictrune-u-remetincu.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/105626-gradanska-akcija-porucila-hrvatima-sitnozuba-stoko-gubite-se-van-izhrvatske.html
162
http://americansfortruth.com/2010/08/09/gay-liberation-network-protests-aftah-truth-academy
http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/479857.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_violence#Violence_related_to_LGBT_people
=naomi====================
I što se mene osobno tiče, malo je čudno obzirom da sam vrlo liberalna po trenutnim pitanjima
suvremenog svijeta i u tome se ne slažem s 99% svojih prijatelja, bilo homoseksualnim ili
heteroseksualnim - nikako ne mogu poduprijeti legalizaciju abortusa. Jednostavno se ne mogu prisiliti da
u tome vidim nešto dobro. I to nema apsolutno nikakve veze ni s crkvom ni s ničim.
Djeca su mi užasno slaba točka i sve (loše) što je vezano uz njih me strašno pogađa. :/
==========================
A zašto bi se morala prisiliti? Zar u tako liberalno tolerantnom društvu osjećaš pritisak za
uniformizacijom zbog samo jednog disidentskog stava?
Ako taj tvoj, snažno držan, stav "nema veze ni sa čim" onda je iracionalan odnosno emocionalan i
subjektivan a takvim stavovima i "argumenima" ne pridaješ nikakvu važnost kad dolaze od strane
neistomišljenika po pitanju "homoseksualnih prava".
Djeca su ti užasno slaba točka ali ne vidiš nikakvog problema da "ljudsko mladunče", evolucijski
predodređeno i "konfigurirano" da očekuje barem majku ako ne i komplementarnog oca i da svoju
najvjerojatniju heteroseksualnost ne vidi pod upitnikom kao nešto drugačije od odnosa svojih "skrbnika",
posvoje (i to kao svoje >pravo<) "roditelji" proizvoljnih spolnih i brojčanih kombinacija?
Zašto na spomen pobačaja nužno pomišljaš na dijete? Pa _to_ još nije dijete, samo moguće
dijete, neka nakupina nečega, još nema ni mozak kaxe spada, to je dio ženskog tijela (ili pak
parazit u tom tijelu, nikako da se odluče između te dvije kontradiktorne tvrdnje) a žena je
potpuno suvereni vladar svog tijela. Uostalom to dijete očito nije željeno, zar želiš dopustiti
da se rodi dijete koje majka ne želi pa život će mu biti patnja...a možda je i majka
incestoidno silovana maloljetnica...
Otvoreno!
"To konkretno znači da se o nama ima govoriti kako mi odlučimo i odredimo da
treba, a ne kako svaka heteroseljačina sebi dozvoljava"
Gordan Duhaček, manifest Zagreb Pridea u Zarezu
Znanstveno!
"The second theory is the so called sneaky fucker theory."
Richard Dawkins, u "potrazi za evolucijskom normalizacijom homoseksualnosti" 231
231 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHDCAllQgS0
163
"Ali zašto ne reći: "Ja sam muškarac s vaginom!" Zašto ne dekonstruirati i taj biološki
imperativ koji označava genitalije kao muške ili ženske? Zašto prihvaćati mišljenje
naučnika koji bi željeli sve stvari lijepo i uredno posložiti u predvidljive dvojnosti? Ne
postoji razlog za podjelom ljudskih tijela na ženski i muški spol, osim da takve podjele
odgovaraju ekonomskim potrebama heteroseksualnosti, tj. da "žena" kao pojam
postoji samo da učvrsti i utvrdi dvojni i suprotni odnos prema "muškarcu"."
Priručnik o rodu i spolu, preporučena nastavnička literatura Zdravstvenog odgoja u
hrvatskim školama232
"In that case, why is it not as illuminating and honest to refer to Newton’s laws as
“Newton’s rape manual” as it is to call them “Newton’s mechanics”?"
feministica Sandra Harding233
232 http://www.sezamweb.net/hr/rodne-uloge-i-identitet
233 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Harding
164
{{M}} The feminist crusade i ostali pro-choice srodnici
234
"Abortion is a blessing – sometimes a joyful relief; sometimes a painful choice –
but a blessing still."
Katherine Hancock Ragsdale, episkopalna lezbijska svećenica235
"Protivnici su istospolnih brakova, abortusa, kontracepcije, ali i svih ostalih stvari
koje mi podržavamo. Također mislimo kako imaju tajne planove protiv mačaka."
http://queer.hr/32578/kako-najbolje-do-lgbt-vidljivosti-kupovinom-krscanskedomene
"If I had been the Virgin Mary, I would have said "No.""
Margaret Smith236
“You know who else I can't stand, is them people that are anti-abortion. F*ck
them, I hate them ... They're horrible, they're hideous people. They're ugly, old,
234 http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/10/15/abortion-sickos-if-only-mary-had-aborted-jesus
235 http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/03/10/lesbian-episcopal-priest-calls-abortion-a-blessing
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/first-openly-gay-episcopal-bishop-to-divorce-his-husband
236 http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/margaret_smith.html#uVQetCrUZGCZVMkf
165
geeky, hideous men ... They just don't want nobody to have an abortion 'cause they
want you to keep spitting out kids so they can f*cking molest them.” 237
Rosanne Barr
"By monday my hormones were a little wonky but in all i just felt like this
parasitic creature that burrowed its way into me and fed of my energy, apetite,
and joy was removed. And I had been restored." 238
“My ‘Sister Is a Happy Ghost!’”
Children’s book about abortion239
“Ako dopustimo ovo [referendum o definiciji braka], onda sutra možemo očekivati
referendum o pobačaju, referendum o nacionalnim manjinama”240
Sanja Juras, LGBT aktivistica
“It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish.”
Mother Teresa
“What will be human is human.”241
Tertullian
"Fathers have no rights"...."Society's attitudes toward child pornography may prove as fleeting
as views in an earlier age on homosexuality." BC Judge Mary Southin
"Trociuk is .. a disheartening endorsement of biological concepts of parenthood ...
flawed .... it legitimizes a heterosexual view of the family. .. It must be ignored."
Hester Lessard, Feminist Law, University of Victoria
"Trociuk is a disheartening, flawed endorsement of biological concepts of parenthood (and)
legitimizes a heterosexual view of the family.” Susan Boyd
http://www.familieslink.co.uk/download/jan07/POLICY%20PAPER.pdf
"hasn't done her job" if even one female student remained heterosexual at the end of a
semester in her class
237 http://prolife.ath.cx:8000/plae126.html
238 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/slate-writer-we-need-happy-blithe-and-unapologetic-abortion-stories
http://myabortion.tumblr.com
239 http://newsbusters.org/blogs/katie-yoder/2015/03/25/childrens-book-about-abortion-my-sister-happy-ghost
240 http://www.crol.hr/portal/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4866&Itemid=619
241 http://cosmostheinlost.com/2014/01/22/abortion-natural-law-antisemitism
166
http://www.fathers.ca/FEATUREDSTORIES/FATHERSRIGHTSISSUESINTHENEWS/CASELAW/TrociukvBritishColumbia/
FeministProfessorattacksTrociukCase.aspx
http://www.equalparenting-bc.ca/testimonials/trociuk-darrel.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trociuk_v._British_Columbia_(Attorney_General)
http://www.tportal.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/289526/Djetetu-od-14-godina-nece-trebati-dozvola-ni-za-odlazak-naabortus.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/comedienne-threatens-to-kill-cannibalize-pro-life-congresswoman-withdown-s
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/kako-su-zene-provele-rodnu-kontrarevoluciju
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/where-are-the-men
Jonathan England 2003, children sent to lesbians (equally good) http://www.equalparentingbc.ca/testimonials/england-jonathan.htm
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/judge-dismisses-false-advertising-charges-against-pro-lifer-advertising-fre
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/if-you-like-your-religion-you-can-keep-your-religion...unless-youre-catholi
http://drrichswier.com/2014/07/03/epidemic-deaths-u-s-caused-abortifacient-deprivation
MARGARET SANGER I IZABRANA SMRT
http://www.toomanyaborted.com/we-should-celebrate-margaret-sanger
http://12160.info/video/margaret-sanger-the-mike
http://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/charlotte-woman-who-started-planned-parenthood-after-beingapproached-by-eugenicist-wallace-kuralt-now-awarded
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/video-planned-parenthood-founder-margaret-sanger-says-no-more-babies
http://matthew2262.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/planned-parenthood-and-eugenics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger
http://greathistory.com/margaret-sanger-in-context.htm
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=hZrXIttkdoQ PP Exposed: Abby Johnson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apLjGQnTVg8 Planned Parenthood Exposed
http://www.blackgenocide.org/planned.html
http://margaretsangerblogspot.tumblr.com
http://matthew2262.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/planned-parenthood-and-eugenics
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/31/planned-parenthoods-big-lie (abortion quotas)
http://www.ewtn.com/library/prolenc/encyc068.htm
http://www.leaderu.com/humanities/casey/ch4.html
act up (što su oni mogli činiti još onda a što se događa pro-life aktivistima koji samo dijele letke ispred klinika za
abortiranje)
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/10/30/us/dr-joseph-f-fletcher-86-dies-pioneer-in-field-of-medical-ethics.html
fletcherova prva zena
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/leroy-carhart-peter-singer-kathleen-sebelius-to-address-women-deliver-confe
http://www.catholicsistas.com/2012/03/27/my-dear-would-you-kindly-get-your-ovaries-off-my-rosary
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-pro-life-alternative-to-the-guttmacher-institute
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sting-video-just-sit-on-the-toilet-if-baby-comes-abortion-worker-tells-27-w
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/60000-rally-against-abortion-bill-in-dublin-as-minister-offers-meaningless
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/planned-parenthood-official-defends-post-birth-abortions
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/noam-chomsky-the-fetus-is-an-39organ39-of-womans-body
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sting-video-just-sit-on-the-toilet-if-baby-comes-abortion-worker-tells-27-w
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-abort-hooligans-trash-pro-life-grandmothers-car-scrawl-too-bad-you-were
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/abortion-campaigners-assault-on-conscience-in-italy-based-on-ideology-not-f
<Texas>
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-abort-journalist-eats-crow-after-claiming-photo-of-vulgar-texas-protest
http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/Texas-abortioin-Davis-Perry/2013/07/01/id/512711
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/in-the-midst-of-an-angry-mob-what-happened-at-the-texas-capitol-friday-eyew
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/texas-protest-children-hold-coat-hanger-signs-suffragettes-arrive-others-ye
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/crowd-of-pro-aborts-chant-hail-satan-as-pro-lifers-sing-amazing-grace-at-te
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/90790-aktivisticki-skup-zalaze-se-za-postporodajni-abortus-uz-parolu-slavasotoni.html
</Texas>
<Gosnell>
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/conservative-leaders-slam-media-blackout-over-gosnell-planned-parenthood-su
http://www.breakpoint.org/bpcommentaries/entry/13/24474
167
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-choice-reporter-covering-gosnell-trial-changes-mind-on-abortion
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/kermit-gosnell-wants-to-work-wit-melinda-gates-and-bill-clintons-foundation
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dear-wendy-davis-you-dont-know-what-happened-in-the-gosnell-case-really
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/uproar-over-texas-student-newspapers-use-of-term-pro-abortion
</Gosnell>
<PP>
http://www.albertmohler.com/2014/03/03/the-culture-of-death-bares-its-teeth-planned-parenthood-leader-says-lifebegins-at-delivery
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/rival-abortionist-calls-planned-parenthood-the-walmart-of-abortion-clinics
http://tanyagranicallen.com/pregnant-kicked-out-of-pro-abortion-un-event
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/why-are-so-many-planned-parenthood-clinics-closing-its-not-why-you-think
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/twice-rejected-iowas-webcam-abortions-face-state-supreme-court
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ambulance-transports-27th-woman-from-st.-louis-planned-parenthood-abortion
</PP>
<UN>
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/katie-yoder/2014/05/07/un-committee-calls-catholic-stance-abortion-torture-nets-silent
http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/2014/201405020.asp
</UN>
<argumentacija>
https://prolife.stanford.edu/qanda/q2-3.html
http://realchoice.blogspot.com/2010/05/drawing-closer-parallel-with-kidney.html
http://liveactionnews.org/the-ten-dumbest-things-said-in-defense-of-abortion
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/i-am-afraid-of-this-indisputable-pro-choice-argument
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/katie-yoder/2014/05/06/lib-radio-host-god-performs-abortions
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/femen-lots-of-breast-not-so-much-brains-or-that-time-i-interviewed-a-femen
http://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/debunking-the-argument-that-fetuses-arent-children1
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/the-3-stupidest-arguments-made-by-pro-aborts-against-hobby-lobby-decision
http://www.lifesitenews.com/media/this-famous-supermodel-was-totally-pro-choice...until-she-talked-to-planned
http://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/abortionist-rips-off-leg-of-another-womans-child-while-her-own-kicks-inside
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/frances-national-assembly-declares-abortion-a-fundamental-right
http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/statistike-u-cileu-pokazuju-zabrana-pobacaja-ne-mora-rezultirati-vecom-stopomsmrtnosti-majki
http://therightswriter.com/2014/12/abortion-deaths-legal-abortion-10-illegal-abortion-0
http://personhoodusa.tumblr.com/post/104948742993/this-country-banned-abortion-and-now-abortion
http://www.breakpoint.org/bpcommentaries/entry/13/26590
http://c-fam.org/turtle_bay/scientists-discover-childrens-cells-living-mothers-brains
http://liveactionnews.org/bill-nye-embryology-science-denier
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/only-one-in-five-babies-killed-as-abortion-rate-dips-to-lowest-level-since
https://c-fam.org/turtle_bay/pro-abortion-eu-parliamentarians-launch-campaign-false-stats-knock-off-slogan
http://www.thelifeinstitute.net/blog/2015/02/02/the-irish-times-the-totally-false-abortion-story
http://www.fizzit.net/vijesti-i-politika/komentari-i-kolumne/4981-neoliberalni-teror-nad-protivnicima-abortusa
http://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/blob-of-tissue-photo-of-baby-miscarried-at-just-7-weeks-gestation-goes-vira
http://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/7-feminists-who-were-pro-life
http://www.jillstanek.com/2015/03/pro-choice-leaders-misrepresent-abortion-limits
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/feelings-without-facts-lead-to-failure-discussing-equality-at-the-un
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/i-convinced-her-to-abort-her-baby.-after-that-i-just-remember-the-bloodever
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/tell-me-that-good-one-again-about-how-contraception-decreasesabortions
Emily Letts
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/i-feel-super-great-about-having-an-abortion-the-culture-of-death-goes-viral
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOVE0Bl5T3E
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1220095/American-abortion-addict-15-terminations-17-years-publishesmemoir.html
http://therightswriter.com/2014/05/did-emily-letts-really-have-an-abortion-theres-one-way-to-prove-it
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-report-highlights-typically-ignored-research-on-the-harm-abortion-cause
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/scalia-supreme-court-is-letting-liberal-politicians-crush-pro-life-free-spe
http://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/genetic-counselors-report-sex-selection-abortion-qualms-yet-do-nothing
http://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/couple-aborted-their-baby-at-28-weeks-because-of-a-deformed-left-hand
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/this-abortion-fanatic-wrote-a-whole-column-on-why-we-shouldnt-be-so-upset-i
</argumentacija>
168
<infanticid, partial birth, ...>
http://pop.org/content/infanticide-america
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/yale-conference-to-promote-non-human-personhood-will-feature-infanticide-ad
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-abort-uk-columnist-a-loving-mom-would-smother-disabled-baby
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/there-is-absolutely-no-need-for...resuscitation-attempts-for-fetuses-which
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/communisms_legacy_ethical_yawns
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/babies-born-alive-during-abortion-will-receive-no-help-from-the-council-of
http://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/nurse-tells-of-infanticide-the-doctor-would-signal-whether-to-let-the-baby
</infanticid>
<nasilje>
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/police-stood-by-while-pro-lifers-were-assaulted-in-plain-view-march-for-bab
</nasilje>
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-life-leaders-picket-annual-meeting-of-pro-abortion-teachers-union-nea
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html#7
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vatican-blasts-un-security-council-call-for-sexual-and-reproductive-health
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/abstinence-impossible-abortion-a-right-pissed-feminist-to-teens-at-planned
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/peter-singer-womens-right-to-have-children-might-have-to-be-sacrificed-for
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/rocker-mothers-should-be-able-to-kill-eat-newborn-fetis
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/not-with-a-bang-but-a-whimper-the-quiet-demise-of-embryonic-stem-cell-resea
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/govt-of-macedonia-accused-of-war-on-women-for-minimal-abortion-restrictions
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/arkansas-enacts-20-week-abortion-ban-over-democratic-governor39s-veto
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/congressional-budget-office-urges-late-term-abortions-to-save-money
http://www.messengers2.com
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/contraceptive-compliance-how-the-philippines-will-become-the-next-china
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/breaking-illinois-supreme-court-upholds-18-yr-old-parental-notification-law
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/pro-abort-mom-on-iud-shocked-to-find-out-shes-6-months-pregnant-what-happen
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/radical-pro-abortion-australian-prime-minister-ousted-after-strident-aborti
http://www.toomanyaborted.com/the-multiple-personality-disorder-of-pro-choice-activism
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/my-body-my-choice-so-what-about-the-choice-to-have-a-large-family
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/the-bigotry-of-abortion-babies-being-aborted-in-uk-for-cleft-lip
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-human-rights-commissioner-to-evangelical-pastor-you-and-your-family-des
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/the-consequences-and-implications-of-the-abortion-presidents-race-baiting
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/the_paradox_of_a_conservative_revolution
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/msnbc-host-who-wore-tampon-earrings-life-begins-whenever-you-feel-like-it-d
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-judicial-nominee-abortion-necessary-to-save-women-from-conscription-i
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/the-most-heartrending-abortion-testimony-youll-ever-hear-from-a-former-abor
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/wrongful-birth-increasing-number-of-disabled-israeli-children-sue-for-not-b
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/jewish-anti-defamation-league-derides-180-anti-abortion-movie-as-perverse
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41154527/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/house-horrors-alleged-abortion-clinic
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/atheists-demand-removal-of-pro-life-banner-over-b.c.-city-street-but-mayor
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-york-times-writer-mourns-her-friends-lost-opportunity-to-abort-her-chil
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/38-latin-american-nations-sign-document-urging-radical-support-for-abortion
http://www.dnevno.hr/vjera/vjera-i-kultura/98270-monstrumi-u-bijelim-kutama-rade-na-novoj-piluli-smrti.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/abortion-advocate-people-get-legal-rights-only-when-they-can-walk
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/slapped-with-36000-fine-judge-willing-to-let-abortion-clinic-pay-77-to-get
http://www.bmz.de/en/what_we_do/issues/Health/reproduktive_gesundheit/deutscher_beitrag/rechte/index.html
http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/action/dont-need-abortion-law.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/five-questions-for-gavin-mcinnes-interview
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/city-of-florence-approves-cemetery-for-unborn-victims-of-abortion-attacked
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/the-most-eye-opening-document-ever-on-lifesitenews-related-to-disney-family
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/undercover-video-young-teen-girls-cant-buy-sudafed-but-plan-b-ok
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/south-dakota-kills-bill-to-ban-dismembering-and-decapitating-babies-during
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-threatens-to-veto-bill-to-stop-taxpayer-funding-of-abortion
http://pjsaunders.blogspot.ca/2013/12/c-fams-worst-five-events-of-2103.html
http://c-fam.org/en/issues/marriage-and-family/7748-pro-life-poetry-breaks-out-at-german-anti-family-event
http://dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/109536-izjava-za-svaku-osudu-trudna-sam-i-pobacit-cu-na-badnjak-da-budeveselije.html
http://croative.net/index.php/kultura-i-vjera/item/2110-javno-pokajanje-beogradskog-ginekologa-abortera
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/it-was-birth-like-abortion-counselor-posts-video-of-her-positive-abortion-s
https://curriculum.leadinglearning.org.uk/phil/Shared%20Documents/Abortion%20Booklet.docx
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/unborn-had-right-to-live-and-strict-protections-in-ancient-persia-journal
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/uk-pro-life-doctors-banned-from-sexual-and-reproductive-health-specialty-un
169
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXuVC_5ns8A #BroChoice - Support Abortion for Casual Sex
after-birth "abortion":
- http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/12/premeditated-murder-of-newborns
- http://www.pregnantpause.org/fantcide/babydoe.htm
- http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/revisiting_the_after_birth_abortion_controversy
- http://www.harvest-now.org/harvest-news/n/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=370&tx_ttnews%5Byear
%5D=2012&tx_ttnews%5Bmonth%5D=03&tx_ttnews%5Bday
%5D=05&cHash=32f1fcd3b67736daa0ee5d0f853b3005
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/nothing-will-get-in-my-way-british-model-to-have-abortion-in-hopes-of-becom
Money money money...never funny...
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/warren-buffett-spends-hundreds-of-millions-to-pay-for-abortions-aroundthe
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/young-men-giving-up-on-marriage-women-arent-women-anymore
"cold water" na "select out" strahove, a pobačaji down djece nisu diskriminacija...
pozitivistički pr, emocionalni a dubiozni ili isprazni buzzwords i newspeak
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/616jszlg.asp
http://www.unmaskingchoice.ca
Fertility is not a disease and abortion is not health care.
http://www.novilist.hr/Lifestyle/Zdravlje-ljepota/Zdravlje/Rodilista-prijatelji-djece-neprijatelji-majki
zamislite samo djeca imaju prednost pred majkom i to je "žrtva" !?
An amazing story about Mother Teresa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZbazVxCVwQ
UTILITARIZAM, EKOMIZANTROPIJA I ('SAMILOSNA') EUGENIKA
"Heaven forbid if you are forced to live on when you want to die. I would
wake up feeling increasingly bad knowing that [treatment] was all being
paid for by the government. The problem won't be solved unless you let
them hurry up and die."242
Taro Aso, japanski premijer
"A society that believes in nothing can offer no argument even against
death. A culture that has lost its faith in life cannot comprehend why it
should be endured."
Andrew Coynes
"In Nazi Germany, and Communist states, the disabled were killed for
being unfit or leeches on the system. Today, the new tactic is to convince
the 'unfit' and the 'leeches' to allow themselves to be killed because it's
'good' for them. Same old stuff repackaged with a new PR campaign and
slogan."
a forum comment
...niste dovoljno zreli za alkohol, demokraciju, brak ili vozačku dozvolu
ali jeste da tražite stričeka u bijeloj kuti 'samilosnu smrt'...
242 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/22/elderly-hurry-up-die-japanese
170
<Belgija>
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2014/eu/belgium-after-euthanasia-on-demand-for-children-the-next-stepis-euthanasia-without-demand
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/how-legal-euthanasia-changed-belgium-for-ever
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/top-doc.-admits-he-deliberately-flouts-belgiums-euthanasia-laws...policetu
http://alexschadenberg.blogspot.ca/2014/03/there-is-no-smear-campaign-against.html
http://www.citizengo.org/en/860-no-euthanasia-europe
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/please_doctor_put_him_out_of_our_misery
http://blog.noeuthanasia.org.au/2014/04/there-is-no-law-that-can-contain.html
http://crossmap.christianpost.com/news/belgian-57-year-old-deacon-confessed-to-killing-up-to-50-people-incatholic-hospital-intention-to-relieve-suffering-10795
http://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/the-fear-of-challenging-the-belgian-euthanasia-law
http://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/robert-hugh-bensons-lord-of-the-world-coming-true-before-our-eyes
http://www.jutarnji.hr/novi-sokantni-slucaj-eutanazije-u-belgiji--grudi-su-mi-bile-grozne--a-tijelo-mi-jeodbacilo-penis--/1129939
</Belgija>
<Oregon>
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/death-with-dignity-or-cruel-and-unusual-punishment
</Oregon>
<ABUSE>
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/grieving-uk-family-urges-national-policy-change-after-hospital-issued-dnr-o
http://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/herein-madness-lies-dutch-woman-euthanised-who-feared-going-to-anursing-ho
http://alexschadenberg.blogspot.ca/2014/11/dutch-euthanasia-law-needs-reform.html
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/eutanazirana-radi-depresije-uzrokovane-prekidom-veze-s-partnerom
http://alexschadenberg.blogspot.ca/2014/11/euthanasia-and-organ-donation-in.html
</ABUSE>
<argumentacija>
http://pjsaunders.blogspot.ca/2014/04/why-assisted-suicide-should-not-be.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/uk-assisted-suicide-bill-a-pandoras-box-leading-to-deaths-of-vulnerable-fai
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22329770.800-reaping-the-whirlwind-of-nazieugenics.html#.U9owlG3txpj
http://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/support-for-uk-assisted-dying-bill-plummets-to-43-after-hearing-opposingar
http://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/west-australian-doctors-warn-about-euthanasia
http://www.nationalreview.com/human-exceptionalism/376413/ideologues-bootstrap-assisted-suicide-lgbtwesley-j-smith
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/assisted-suicide-cannot-promise-you-a-peaceful-or-painless-death
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/10/13936
http://dailysignal.com/2014/11/03/women-begged-brittany-maynard-choose-earlier-death-will-die-dignity
http://alexschadenberg.blogspot.com/2014/11/barbara-kay-euthanasia-is-killing-by.html
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/i-am-a-catholic-seminarian.-i-have-terminal-brain-cancer.-this-is-my-respon
http://alexschadenberg.blogspot.ca/2014/12/ashe-inappropriately-promotes-assisted.html
171
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/man-wakes-up-after-12-years-in-vegetative-state-reveals-i-was-aware-of-ever
http://alexschadenberg.blogspot.ca/2015/03/chilean-girl-who-asked-for-euthanasia.html
http://liveactionnews.org/these-people-changed-their-mind-when-they-realized-the-truth-about-abortion
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/388360/ezekiel-emanuel-we-should-die-75-wesley-j-smith
http://dwdv.org.au/faqs/182-isn-t-palliative-care-always-enough.html
http://www.vecernji.hr/hrvatska/kontroverzna-inicijativa-hrvatska-bi-trebala-ozakoniti-eutanaziju-46856
</argumentacija>
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/the-inconsistent-philosophy-of-an-assisted-suicide-campaigner
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/07/10346 PAS
http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/blogs/docs/wantedness.pdf
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/belgiums-oldest-athlete-killed-at-his-euthanasia-party-complete-withchampa
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/enduring_power
http://www.mercatornet.com/careful/view/fact_checking_the_claims_of_well_regulated_euthanasia
http://www.mercatornet.com/careful/view/13848
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=francis%20crick%20reproductive
%20autonomy&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffindarticles.com%2Fp%2Farticles
%2Fmi_m6875%2Fis_2_14%2Fai_n25025436%2Fpg_4%2F&ei=hmqET7W4GMHHsgakvnsBg&usg=AFQjCNHZMjAXotvERBrDeVSsaYTtuh606w
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11c/gay_fed_judge/index.html
david-attenborough-praises-chinas-one-child-policy-criticized-by-pro-life-l
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/film-depicting-euthanasia-of-26-year-old-dutch-woman-draws-700000viewers
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exit-international-founder-briefly-detained-before-holding-uk-suicide-works
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/jury-awards-couple-50-million-in-wrongful-birth-lawsuit
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/as-husband-sues-to-end-life-support-of-pregnant-wife-pro-life-advocateshol
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/quebec-poll-support-for-euthanasia-bill-drops-from-72-to-35-when-told-ofit
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-mexico-judge-euthanasia-is-constitutional
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/will-greens-applaud-japans-demographic-implosion
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/111993-legalno-ubijanje-u-europi-nizozemski-lijecnici-eutaniziraju-ljudeza-novac-i-u-tajnosti.html
www.lifesitenews.com/news/family-that-starved-baby-to-death-pushing-texas-to-legalize-euthanasia
http://flexikon.doccheck.com/de/FlexiEssay:Assistierter_Suizid_in_der_Schweiz
http://pjsaunders.blogspot.ca/2014/01/assisted-suicide-storyline-on.html
http://pjsaunders.blogspot.ca/2013/09/stephen-hawking-is-great-scientist-but.html
http://zdravstveniodgoj.com/news/djevojcica-moli-kralja-belgije-da-ne-dopusti-ubijanje-bolesne-djece
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/114945-sramotno-zirafa-marius-prestigla-covjeka-u-popularnosti-kad-smopostali-toliko-okrutni.html http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/09/marius-giraffe-killed-copenhagenzoo-protests
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/under-pressure-motor-neuron-sufferer-says-society-encouraging-disabledto-c
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-prenatal-test-will-further-eugenic-targeting-of-down-syndromechildren
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/71-legal-assisted-suicide-deaths-in-oregon-in-2013
http://www.savingdowns.com/genetic-expert-diana-bianchi-misrepresents-new-eugenic-test-for-down-syndrome
http://uimeobitelji.net/2014/03/04/eutanazija-djece-u-belgiji-jos-jedno-proklizavanje-na-skliskoj-nizbrdici
http://www.nationalreview.com/human-exceptionalism/374531/death-demand-coming-canada-wesley-j-smith
http://www.bioedge.org/index.php/bioethics/bioethics_article/11071 Euthanasia could be option for poor, says
Lithuanian health minister
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sick-and-twisted-downs-advocates-pro-life-leaders-slam-dawkins-abortionrem
http://www.breakpoint.org/bpcommentaries/entry/13/25973 (dawkins & down)
https://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/opposing-physician-assisted-suicide-is-the-right-position-for-a-liberal-to
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/did-ariel-sharon-die-last-week-or-eight-years-ago
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/new-uk-government-consultation-on-three-parent-embryos-asks-the-wrongquest
172
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/87800-video-cudna-eu-praksa-skotska-ce-svakom-djetetu-vec-po-rodenjudodijeliti-skrbnika.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/svijet/120485-video-sokantno-gates-otvoreno-priznao-plan-depopulacije.html
http://www.dnevno.hr/vjera/pro-life/103834-lijecnici-monstrumi-na-stotine-djece-ubijeno-je-zbog-namjernopogrjesne-lijecnicke-dijagnoze.html
http://www.bitno.net/vijesti/hrvatska/razbijen-stereotip-u-hrvatskoj-uglavnom-radaju-zaposlene-zene-avisokoobrazovane-majke-radaju-najvise-djece http://www.mercatornet.com/family_edge/view/13560
http://brokenbeautiful.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/intro-part-ii-queer-intergenerationality.pdf
(NOVA) LJEVICA I KAPITALIZAM TIJELA
"Amongst those opposing criminalisation were the police, judiciary and Ombudsman, gay rights groups
and the Swedish Association for Sex Education (RSFU). "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Sweden
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/supreme-court-decision-may-make-canada-sex-tourism-hub-justiceminister-war
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/canadas-liberal-party-to-consider-accommodating-prostitution-industryeutha
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/california-set-to-legalize-buying-selling-human-eggs-and-embryos
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-brunswick-stops-enforcing-prostitution-laws-prompting-rebuke-byfederal
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ex-prostituted-women-blast-un-and-amnesty-international-for-trying-tolegal
PSEUDOZNANOST
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/video-planned-parenthood-prez-cecile-richards-when-life-beginsnot-really-r
ePruveta
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/the-perverse-fruits-of-ivf
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/after-ivf-we-became-pregnant-with-triplets-then-my-wife-had-twoof-the-babi
Prigovor 1: Guilt-by-association fallacy
"However, in 1995 PLAGAL [Pro-Life Alliance of Gays and Lesbians] applied for
participation in Boston's annual Pride parade and was denied. PLAGAL set up a table
along the parade route, where members distributed literature. During the parade,
the table was surrounded by angry hecklers who tore up PLAGAL's leaflets, leading
to police asking PLAGAL to leave the parade area to restore order."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-Life_Alliance_of_Gays_and_Lesbians
http://www.villagevoice.com/2000-12-26/nyc-life/welcome-to-the-club
"Posebno je zabrinjavajuće da se o ranom zametku (starosti do 14 dana) u
Prijedlogu zakona govorilo kao o osobi na način da se navodilo da kod pohranjivanja,
nakon proteka od najviše 10 godina, treba „rani zametak pustiti da umre“. Riječ
„umrijeti“ prema pravilima hrvatskog jezika koristi se samo za ljudska bića. Time se
SDP svrstala u red onih koji govore o životu od začeća do smrti."
Iskorak&Kontra243
243 http://www.iskorak.hr/wp-content/uploads/files/pt-prava2008.pdf
173
“Radical feminism considers gender as a sorting system for male domination,
something that provides 'the bars of the cage' that imprison women in their daily
lives.”244
Sheila Jeffreys
"The marriage bed is the most degenerative influence in the social order" 245
Margaret Sanger, The Woman Rebel (1922)
"A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle."
Irina Dunn/Gloria Steinem
Dan Savage & mandatory abortion: http://www.dnevno.hr/vjera/pro-life/103520-video-liberalni-aktivistpredlozio-da-pobacaj-bude-obavezan-za-30-godina.html
FEMEN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKI4OD2ZhMw
http://www.dnevno.hr/vjera/pro-life/110303-foto-ubojice-su-medu-nama-femen-aktivistice-ritualnoubijaju-krista.html
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/gay-activists-sign-joint-statement-with-planned-parenthood-backingobamacar
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/tweetfest-wednesday-virgin-mary-shouldve-aborted-facebook-page-is-hatespee
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/drag-queens-take-glamor-photos-in-front-of-graphic-images-video
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vandals-destroy-3000-pro-life-posters-at-university-of-alberta-campusgroup (lgbtq officer)
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/topless-pro-abort-activist-leaps-on-top-of-altar-during-christmas-mass-in-c
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2014/abortion/the-zuber-report-radical-feminism-defeats-itself-in-theeuropean-parliament
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/why-are-pro-abortion-protesters-always-taking-their-clothes-off
IPPF financira MGRM http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/malta-legalizes-same-sex-civil-unions-as-bill-passes37-0
Argentina
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http://eponymousflower.blogspot.ca/2013/11/argentine-catholics-defend-cathedral.html
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2012/10/leftist-attacks-on-catholic-church-in.html
http://www.tfpstudentaction.org/what-we-do/news-and-updates/hellish-pro-abortion-attack-on-catholiccathedral.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz93T-ra4Vk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPUvUYU7Qzw
>
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/mad-men-the-sexual-revolution-and-abortion
http://www.turtlebayandbeyond.org/2013/abortion/eu-while-1-3-million-sign-the-pro-life-petition-radical-proabortion-politicians-dont-want-to-learn-the-lesson
http://liveactionnews.org/wendy-davis-women-dont-support-late-term-abortion-because-theyre-too-dumb-tounderstand-it
http://liveactionnews.org/outrageous-ethicists-argue-for-acceptance-of-after-birth-abortions
http://liveactionnews.org/oregon-best-state-to-have-sex-in-because-of-easy-abortions-says-rollie-williams
http://liveactionnews.org/time-magazine-asks-who-needs-kids-anyway
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/abortion-activists-abortion-is-not-just-for-women-anymore
http://unbaby.me
244 http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/australian-gender-theorist-transgenderism-is-hugely-harmful-because-its-not
245
174
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/chilean-presidential-candidate-plans-to-enact-abortion-and-redefinemarriag
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/socialist-publication-we-can-change-the-world-through-abortion-and-gaymarr
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/buy-your-happy-abortion-cards-on-etsy
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/defending-unborn-starts-with-defending-real-marriage-says-worlds-oldestpro
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/fighting-porn-isnt-anti-sex-its-profoundly-pro-sex-and-pro-woman
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/pro-abortion-alberta-premier-resigns-amidst-spending-scandals
http://www.policymic.com/articles/76837/banning-weddings-and-baby-showers-won-t-solve-sexism
http://www.dnevno.hr/magazin/lifestyle/98815-video-belgijski-transeksualac-izabrao-eutanaziju-nakon-sto-gaje-promjena-spola-pretvorila-u-cudoviste.html
https://c-fam.org/turtle_bay/paul-vi-v-john-d-rockefeller-iii
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/parents-should-let-kids-have-sex-sleepovers-abortion-advocate-says-in-usat
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/the-wisdom-of-women-the-folly-of-feminists
http://www.lifesitenews.com/pulse/bill-mahers-called-a-mother-of-five-super-selfish-because-of-his-sourness-a
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/375442/feminists-attack-kirsten-dunst-over-her-gender-preferencekatherine-connell
http://www.youthdefence.ie/latest-news/prominent-choice-ireland-abortion-activist-convicted-for-childpornography
http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/porn-studies-prof-goes-berserk-at-sight-of-abortion-victim-photos
http://ucsb.academia.edu/MireilleMillerYoung
http://www.signs.rutgers.edu/miller-young_essay_1_2-2.html
Hence, to teach porn is primarily seen as to take risks and do harm rather than to create an
opportunity for rethinking the role of sex in the classroom or to create new, transgressive pedagogies.
"Marriage has its characteristic structure largely because of its orientation to procreation; it involves
developing and sharing one’s body and whole self in the way best suited for honorable parenthood—among other
things, permanently and exclusively." - "you can't have one without the other"
"Men are having abortions" http://therightswriter.com/2014/05/which-is-extreme-hgtv-evangelical-christiansor-a-racist-abortionist-accused-of-rape
Planned-Parenthood = Abortion = Gay-Marriage = Sex-Ed = Euthanasia
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<nesortirano>
lost tax exempt status - you/ngo have to follow the law - i jesu se držali zakona (nisu ga kršili nezakonitim
brakovima npr.) samo su odbijali ono s čime se ne slažu - isto tako i gay ngo-ovi, dok je gay brak bio zabranjen
borili su se protiv toga (protiv zakona) a opet su bili tax-exempt
Baba Ram Dev
FLGBTTTIQQUA
osoba a osoba b
- parafilije - sam određuješ imaš li poremećaj - subjektivistički moral
- seks izvan moralne sfere - xsexualnost biološka datost ergo OK - djeca seksualna bića ergo OK
- ako su djeca seksualna bića - kako je seksualnost socijalni konstrukt
http://www.theonion.com/articles/majority-of-parents-abuse-children-children-report,2183
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usF2HOn8R_Q&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL35BC61BFD0F1BFBC
Gay & Catholic: Survival Guide
istraživanja pokazuju da je problem u tome što dijete nema baš oca ili majku, a ne "drugog roditelja" jer bi iz
toga slijedilo da je još bolje i treći i četvrti i...dijete može imati jednu majku, ne i "dvije"...
http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/Home/ADFContent?cid=4107
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/young-marines-group-loses-gov.-funding-after-refusing-to-remove-god-fromoa
http://www.glbtq.com/slideshows/slidesfiveash,26.html
project q atlanta reklama za http://www.swingingrichards.com
http://www.projectqatlanta.com/gallery/3rd-annual-santa-speedorun/projectq_santa_speedo_run_200.JPG.php
http://www.projectqatlanta.com/gallery/3rd-annual-santa-speedorun/projectq_santa_speedo_run_164.JPG.php
http://projectqatlanta.com/gallery/divas-cabaret-presents-stripped-lebuzz
http://projectqatlanta.com/gallery/how-the-vivian-stole-christmas-with-armorettes-heretic
"I live in a fairly liberal city. When people say use God as a way to deny rights to others it scares me. Children
are already exposed to same sex couples. A few years ago a reporter asked the question of whether or not
Sponge Bob (a charter from a children's program) was gay. There should be two types of marriages one that is
accepted by the state and the other by religious communities."
"Plus something else to consider: If you define marriage as being between 1 man and 1 woman, you need to
create a legal definition of who is a man and who is a woman. That's surprisingly difficult to do - some people
are born with anatomy that doesn't fully match what we think of as standard male or female. Others are born
matching one gender's anatomy but have medically and surgically altered themselves to have the other gender's
anatomy. Others have the physical anatomy of one gender but pass socially as the other." i sijamski su "ni 1 ni "...
"I also have two delightful children with a Lesbian couple; those kids have three loving parents, three sets of
grandparents who are all delighted to have more grandchildren to spoil, and a huge extended family that is
spread across three different continents."
"A lesbian couple who are friends of mine have had a baby to a gay couple (ok one from each side are bi-sexual).
The baby is being raised in a loving home, the baby is healthy and happy. All four of the parents are supportive
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and are bring up this child with all the love and attention a child could ever hope for. There is no harm being
done to the child or to society."
Paul Keating – “two jokers and a collie dog don’t make a family”.
I love the argument that gay people have to pay a punishing inheritance tax that married people don't have to
pay. Boyfriend/Girlfriend relationships have the same issue as gays.
<<
If I were Gay the last thing I would want to participate in is the institution of marriage. Such a traditional thing
is diametrically opposed to anything I would stand for or represent. It's only when I would be denied that right
that I would take a stand to prove that I simply can.
If the members of the Gay community were never denied this right in the first place, then I hardly think it would
have ever become an issue. I'm sure a civil union would have been sufficient.
>>
http://www.nytimes.com/adx/bin/adx_click.html?
type=goto&opzn&page=community.nytimes.com&pos=TopAd&sn2=2890f7d6/96cb3854&sn1=31a912ee/9ab7360c&
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%2Etheresidencespalmbeach%2Ecom%2FNYT
To government, marriage is a 'contract' ..... and freedom to contract is a Federal constitutional item.
Government is 'secular' .... no 'establishment of religion'.
To prohibit 'contracts' because of 'sexual preference' is repugnant to our Democratic ideals and any such
prohibition creates a 2nd class citizenship .
If America is to flourish , we MUST adhere to our Constitutional mandates , and NOT allow 'institutionally
fortified abstract hatred' to remain anywhere in our great nation .
If we aren't depriving women of their rights then we just move along to the gay community (?).
It is time for advocates of hate to lose their citizenship .
Oh, and if you ever want to get something passed in your town, only gays and lesbians have the organization and
clout to do it, they learned from AIDS.
When you’re in divorce court, will you also demand a homosexual judge to arbitrate, to ensure that you’re
getting your civil rights in an unbiased format, meted out in a fair and just manner? You all probably will do just
that.
http://www.splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/archives/008850.php
http://www.lori.hr/index.php#news_3661
http://www.lori.hr/index.php#news_3664
http://www.lori.hr/forum/viewtopic.php?p=35017
"napredak" i "sloboda" a raspad društva
http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/blogs/docs/forgetlove.pdf
pristranost i licemjerje akademije
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1340030/posts
http://www.wnd.com/2002/06/14082
buržoazijska dekadentna obitelj
http://www.lagai.org/gaymarriage.htm
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/12388780/1302575613/name/LGBT
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t804761-15
http://womensenews.org/story/marriagedivorce/111121/marriage-all-not-20-something
http://www.tbd.com/blogs/amanda-hess/2010/11/goproud-jimmy-lasalvia-talks-abortion--4846.html
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obummer
http://web.archive.org/web/20120820222341/http://www.barackobama.com/life-of-julia?
source=Julia-02-20120503-kgh
spindoctor pozitiva prochoice childfree planned parenthood
ispričavanje http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/30/6/1499.full
pobačaj i eutanazija se toleriraju kao "privatni moral" ali slobodna ljubav je javni moral
http://www.catholic.com/documents/gay-marriage
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Dokle god doduše se za one druge bude govorilo da su "normalni" do tada postoji potreba za
gay prideom.
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S obzirom da su se progresivni/"novi" ateisti prozvali "bistrima" ("brights"), znači li to da
postoji potreba za prideom nas (srednjovjekovnih neobrazovanih zatucanih katolibansko
rvatistanskih primitivnih seljačina) koji smo prema tome "tupi" odnosno "dense" (i "deluded")?
Dawkins: "...mock them [believers], ridicule them...in public...mock them with contempt..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51rR4aC9aMg
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/richard-dawkins-theres-nothing-wrong-with-a-little-mildpedophilia ("raising children in the Catholic faith is more abusive than sexual molestation")
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Postoji razliga između mrzit religiju i mrzit vjernika...
"ja bi najradije da katoličanstvo izumre"
"ja bi najradije da katolici izumru"
primjetiš razliku u te dvije rečenice? Jedna je protuzakonita, druga nije :)
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mogu oni tužit 50 puta... reć da je homoseksualnost bolest nije dovoljno da se pobjedi tužba... ja se mogu derat
koliko god hoću da je religija bolest i opet ne mogu završit u zatvoru radi toga jer sam zaštićen pravom
slobodnog govora i ne prakticiram govor mržnje. to što se nekom ne sviđa čut rečenicu da je homoseksualnost ili
religija bolest, to je druga priča :)
Uglavnom, nije lijepo što rade, točnije nije u dobrom ukusu... al nikom niti ne štete. Tako da mogu crtat gay
religijske slike i plesat na "death metal" što se mene tiče... ne mjenja mi se ništa u životu :)
Svatko ima pravo na tužbu, bila utemeljena ili ne, ako želi platit za nju.
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Ko što rekoh, ekstrema ima svugdje... dal da ja sada izdvojim primjere pedofilije u svećenika i radi toga
zaključim da katoličanstvo nije normalno i da ga treba zabranit? :)
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Recimo, da li je stvarno bolje da djeca odrastaju u domovima nego u gay obitelji? I ako je tako, dal onda
samohranim roditeljima moramo isto oduzeti djecu jer to nije prirodno, pošto dijete treba oca i majku? Mogli bi
i domove zabravnit, ipak ni tamo nema oca i majku.
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Ne šetan. Nijedna religija me još nije uspjela uvjeriti da je ispravna. Čak niti generalni deizam. A sad, da baš
mogu birati, vjerojatno bi izabro hinduizam... to je fora religija... reinkarnacija i sve to... doduše moj mozak ne
funkcionira tako... ne mogu samo birat nešto što mi se sviđa... trebaju mi čvrsti dokazi a ne samo lijepe riječi da
bi vjerovo...
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http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/c/cslewis109269.html
http://www.catholicthinker.net/the-incoherence-of-atheism
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/04/12991 Scientism
http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/4-arguments-transcendence.htm
http://magisgodwiki.org/index.php?title=Why_Believe_in_God?
#Unit_D:_Is_there_Evidence_of_God_from_Science.3F
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Ginsberg (budist branio nambla-u)
http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=737070
http://noapologiesallowed.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/naa_052.jpg
http://pjsaunders.blogspot.ca/2013/01/twelve-good-arguments-atheists-advance.html
http://pjsaunders.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/ten-questions-everyone-should-ask.html
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/selling_the_faith_of_unbelievers
http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2011/07/so-you-think-you-understand.html
http://theosophical.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/stephen-hawking-god-could-not-create-the-universe-becausethere-was-no-time-for-him-to-do-so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xpVueJyjwc
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/11/10/science/massive-clusters-of-galaxies-defy-concepts-of-the-universe.html
www.nytimes.com/1989/02/28/science/novel-theory-challenges-the-big-bang.html
http://forums.philosophyforums.com/threads/the-big-bang-theory-is-false-1213.html
http://hayaryakanch.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/the-big-bang-never-happened-a-startling-refutation-of-the-dominanttheory-of-the-origi.pdf
https://sites.google.com/site/bigbangcosmythology/home/structure
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Ljudi se oko JAKO puno toga ne mogu složit... zato treba počet oko onog oko čeka se možemo složit... a to je da
su homoseksualci ljudi i da ih kao takve trebamo voljeti i poštivati :)
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E upravo zato ja ne mogu vjerovati...
Ili će mi netko dati dokaz da krist postoji ili neću vjerovati u njega. Inače bi morao vjeroavti u sve religije, a pre
više ih je :)
I zato živim kako mi moja savjest nalaže... a ona mi kaže da je gay ok :)
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Isprika... bog je sveznajuć, on zna što netkome treba za obraćenje i svemoguć dakle može to ostvarit...
evo otvoreno ovdje sam par puta reko i opet ću reć... ako mi dokaže da postoji, obratit ću se... sve je na
njemu...
al ne prihvaćam "gluposti" tipa leptir koji mi sleti na rame... želim konkretni dokaz :)
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no... problem je, čak i da mi se dokaže, još uvijek me to ne bi razuvjerilo da homoseksualci nemaju pravo na
civilini brak ili usvajanje djece :)
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Istina, problem je možda baš to što ti želiš dokaz koji će te prisiliti da vjeruješ da Bog postoji a ne da vjeruješ
Bogu. To je, oprosti, koncept vjere na predprvopričesnoj razini. Potpuno si krivo shvatio značenje obraćenja.
Koliko si npr. puta u Bibliji pročitao "obratite se i vjerujte da Bog postoji" a koliko puta "obratite se i vjerujte
evanđelju (radosnoj vijesti da nitko nije sam, da te Bog voli, da je nereciprocitetna ljubav moguća i da život ne
mora voditi u propast/'ništa'))"?
Da je Bog koncipirao "stvorenu stvarnost" tako da izravno osvjedočenje u njegovo postojanje automatski povlači i
vjeru – 'vidiš me ergo voliš me' - "što bi rekao onda"?
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Dakle, nedavno sam vodio jednu diskusiju sa jednim doktorom fizike na temu "da li svjest dolazi od mozga ili
ne". Činjenica jest da nigdje u mozgu nismo načli "centar za svjest" no isto tako je činjenica da nismo našli ništa
u mozgu što bi nas povelo da mislimo da nešto "utječe njime". Dakle, uzevši to u obzir, što je lakše za
povjerovat: da nešto nematerijalno, nevidljivo i nemjerivo utječe na naš mozak i stvara nam misli ili da je
"svjest" kao takva samo još jedan od stvari koje naš mozak može proizvesti?
Meni je ovo drugo sve dok ne nađemo bar ikakav trag za bilo što drugo.
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Drugi dio je da smo "iznad životinja"... izrazit ću se tako prosto ako smijem :)
Priznajem, mi ljudi smo jedini koji imamo ideje. No isto tako u prirodi vidimo da se životinje služe oruđem i
grade stvari. Jedino što nas razlikuje jest to da mi imamo umjetnost i već u vrijeme naših rođaka,
neandertalaca, smo crtali po zidovima pećina.
No samo zato reć da imamo "dušu" je posezanje za zvijezdama. Ima životinja koje su jače od nas, brže od nas,
duže žive od nas, plodnije od nas i ne znam što sve ne. Zašto smo mi toliko posebni? Nismo, nego smo uzeli
jednu stvar koju oni nemaju i radi toga sebe uzvišavamo.
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Nije baš tako sigurno da su neandertalci samo rođaci, a ne dio vrste, homo sapiensa, jer je dokumentirano da je
bilo miješanja (razmnožavanja) između jednih i drugih. Psihologija i psihijatrija nažalost nisu jedine grane
znanosti u kojima se vrlo brzo gubi čistoća i objektivnost čim se u nazivu predmeta proučavanja pojavi riječ
"homo".
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I to nas, onda, sve skupa vodi na treći argument. homoseksualnost JEST dvoje ljudi koji se vole. Dakle, kada
kažemo da je netko homoseksualan svi odma pomisle na... sex... odma je tu u riječi, zar ne? :)
Ali seks je samo jedan MALI djelić ljubavi. Seks je... neznam niti kako bi se izrazio :) neka vrsta "završnog pakta"
u ljubavi. Kada ste već sigurni da se volite, kada ste proveli vrijeme skupa, kada već znate da ste jedno za
drugoga i onda želite još napravit onaj "zadnji korak" i sjediniti tjela nakon što ste sjedinili duše.
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E sad što se tiće dobrog i zla, ima i znanost tu svoju hipotezu. Čovjekova primarna funkcija je održavanje sebe i
svoje rase.Ko i svaka životinja na ovom planetu. Dakle svi mi imamo nagon za samoočuvanje. No isto tako, kada
smo davno živjeli u malim plemenima, svi smo imali nagon za pomaganju zajednice. Zajednica je bila sve i znali
smo da ako mi pomažemo zajendici, ona će pomagati nama. Kasnije, kada se čovjek globalizirao, počelo je sve
to bit previše za naš mali mozak da prati i shvatili smo da je za nas bolje ako tu i tamo ne budemo fer i pošteni
prema drugima.
Odličan primjer su kradljvci. Krene većinom sa "ukrast ću žvaku" pa "ukrast ću 100 kuna" i završi, da prostite na
šali, tako da uđe u sabor i krade milione. Zašto? Jednostavno, zar vi vašoj djeci ne biste htjeli osigurat dobru
budućnost da ste sigurni da vas se neće uhvatiti?
Samo što neke od nas priječi strah od boga, a neke od nas priječi razum koji kaže "ako ja kradem od države onda
liječnici neće možda imat novaca, onda će falit oprema i ljudi bi mogli umirat... to nije ok"
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Što dovodi natrag do homoseksualizma... On, po svojoj naravi, nikome ne šteti. Dvije odrasle osobe kojima je
stalo jedna do druge su odlučile provest svoj život skupa. Super. Ja ne vidim problem. Jedino što oni hoće da taj
svoj "spoj" formaliziraju. Zašto ne? Ako mogu heteroseksualni parovi, mogu i oni. Ponavljam, ako zakoni
određene vjere "diskriminiraju" protiv njih, to je stvar te vjere. No ta vjera neka to onda međusobno riješava a
na na razini države. Država se mora ravnat prema moralnim zakonima i poštivat slobodu pojedinca. I ako sad
netko kaže "pa to znači da smijemo ubijat" ću dotičnog klepnut po čelu jer sam o tome već pričao :P
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dakle ovako... jel ti vjeruješ da je brak tu samo radi seksa? Jer ako se ne varam, ljubav je puno više do li "idite i
množite se", i ako vjeruješ da je cijela bit braka samo stvaranje djece onda... da... u tvojim očima,
homoseksualci nemaju što ulaziti u brak. Doduše niti neplodni ljudi onda nemaju pravo na brak jer ipak se ne
mogu množiti, jelda? I moja rođica nema što za prigovarat ako joj muž jednog dana kaže "našo sam jednu koja je
plodna, sorry"
A ako vjeruješ da je više od toga, onda zašto dvije "duše" ne bi mogle biti skupa, ako se pašu, samo zato jer su
istoga spola?
Ovo za čistoću... ok, priznajem da nisam probo pa ne mogu komentirati ali po onom što sam čitao, djelomice
jesi u pravu. Ako netko stupa u spolni odnos bez promišljanja to ga može oštetiti. No ako su partneri svjesni toga
što rade onda ne vidim problem.
ponavljam, 10 zapovjedi su isto iz staroga zavjeta, da i njih onda odbacimo? mislim, isus je došao da ispuni
zakone pa zašto onda da nedjeljom idemo na misu ili ne lažemo? ti zakoni su ispunjeni :)
dakle sve se svodi na ovo zadnje... mi smatramo da je X pogrešno, X je u bibliji, dakle taj dio biblije je ispravan.
Sa Y se ne slažem, Y je u starom zavjetu, Y mora da ne valja. ili Y je u novom zavjetu ali autor to nije mislio
doslovno, moramo to protumačiti tako i tako.
To je moj glavni problem koji imam sa katolicima koji mi citiraju bibliju. Ako ćeš odbacit stari zavjet, odbaci ga
cijelog a ako ćeš se držat novog zavjeta, drži ga se cjelog :)
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http://4simpsons.wordpress.com/2007/11/24/favorite-dish-of-liberal-theologians-skeptics-shellfish
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/paul-wilson/2013/03/13/special-report-rewriting-bible-gospel-according-liberals
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Ja sam veliki zagovornik "zlatnog pravila" no moramo shvatit da, kao i svako pravilo, ono se ne može tumačiti
crno bijelo...
E sada, za mene je seks u vezi nešto tipa "zadnji korak"... recimo nešto tipa "99% sam siguran da te volim, ovo je
zadnja granica koju još nismo prešli skupa pa ajmo"... Ne shvaćam ga olako kao ništa u životu. No više mentalnih
poslijedica će imati 2-3 godišnja veza sa partnerom koja dođe do prekida, nego da li su ti partneri imali ili ne
seks u toj vezi. A ako neki parovi nakon 1-2 mjeseca skupa odma ulaze u spolne odnose, onda je to problem što
ne shvaćaju što sve dolazi skupa sa takvom odlukom. A čuo sam svašta u ovih mojih 29 godina od ljudi. Kada
čuješ izjavu tipa "ja znam da ga volim zato jer kad smo skupa se stalno mazimo i ljubimo" od osobe koja je preko
20 godina onda stvarno ne znaš što da napraviš. Što god joj rekao, neće te slušati.
Što ako ti je srodna duša žena, u tvojem slučaju? :)
OK, ja sam cjepidlaka kada se radi o dugim vezama. Sa bilo kojom curom mogu "probat" uć u vezu al u jako mali
broj ću se iskreno zaljubit. Al kod homoseksualaca, suprotni spol ih niti ne privlači.
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U mojem životu, skoro ništa nije crno-bijelo. I iskreno, zato zavidim vjernicima. Ja bi volio da mogu samo reć
"bože prepuštam ti se" i ne očekivat bilo kakav dokaz. Ali ne mogu, rakvoga me je stvorio, ako postoji, i on to
zna. A i homoseksualce je stvorio takve i što ćemo sad? :)
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Ja vjerujem da, ako bog postoji, nam je dao mozak sa razlogom, da ga koristimo i istražujemo svijet oko nas ma
kamo god da nas traganje odvelo :) Mene je, eto, odvelo na put ateizma. No tko zna što me čeka. Čudnovati su
putevi gospodnji, jel? :)
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Istina, al da nije bilo GPa kršili bi ljudska prava.
To je ko da netko kaže "da nije bilo štrajka u firmi X ja bi sada mogo Y"... istina, mogo bi... ali samim time
dokazuješ da ti nije stalo do drugih i samim time sebi ukraććuješ pravo da drugima bude stalo do tebe :)
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Homoseksualcima treba pomoć, al ne "duševna" ili "mentalna" nego treba im netko tko će na njihovoj strani,
makar nije u njihovom "klubu" i koji će reći "pustite jadne ljude na miru" :) jer, oni samo žele biti sa osobom koju
vole... i ja tu stvarno ne vidim problem :)
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dobro, ja sam glavni zagovornik one "zašto gledaš trunku u oku brata svoga a panj u oku svome ne vidiš" ili kako
točno ide citat :)
no svejedno je naša dužnost ko čovjek, ne ko vjernik, da tu trunku istaknemo. ja kriticizam, ako je
konstruktivan, jako volim... daje mi nešto za razmišljat i mogućnost se popraviti... naravno, opet moramo uzet
u obzir što je bill cosby reko: "neznam tajnu uspjeha, al tajna neuspjeha je pokušat udovoljiti svima" :)
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ne, nisam obratio homoseksualce, ali tada nisam niti poznavao niti jednog :) u stvari, vjerojatno jesam al se nisu
izjasnili. statistički gledano, bar jedna osoba sa kojom smo išli u razred je homoseksualna :)
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dakle, ovo sa djecom stoji. Al postoji razlika. Ako dijete trči sa škarama, kako se kaže (iako nisam vidio niti
jedno dijete da trči sa škarama) oćeš mu reć da prestane i ako ne prestane ga pustit? Nećeš, procjenit ćeš da je
pre velik rizik da bi ga pustio. No bog umjesto da kaže da je pre velik rizik kaže "nećeš vjerovat? evo ti onda još
više iluzija koje će te udaljiti od mene", da li je to u skladu sa ocem koji "neće dati zmije kada ga sin pita za
kruh"?
Isto tako, od hedonističkog načina živote čovjek naravno može se zasitit i uvidit svoju grešku, od čiste
homoseksualnosti ne može. Ako ti nekog voliž zaista ko osobu a ne samo radi izgleda, i makar ti ne dozvole brak
živiš godinama i desetljećima sa tom osobom, misliš da će ti biti žao?
Ima dosta katolika koji su već ko mali osjetili da ih suprotni spol ne privlači... i trudili se i molili i neki čak i
postili... ali se nije ništa u njihovom životu promjenilo. I na kraju su stavljeni bili pred izbor, da li će uzet nekog
suprotnog spola za brak i cijeli život se pravit da ih vole, ili će bit iskreni svom srcu i nać nekoga sa kim im paše
biti skupa.
To su ljudi sasvim suprotni onima o kojima piše u poslanici, oni žele da ih bog iskupi, ali bog to ne radi. I neki od
njih dan danas vjeruju da bog postoji.
A za ovaj zadnji dio... imam fora pričicu...
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Moj jedan dobri prijatelj je svećenik. I u našem društvu, prije par godina, družili smo se ja, on, jedan
rimokatolik i još jedna osoba "sa strane. I pošto od doba srednje više nismo u istom "selu", obnovili smo staru
naviku se vikendom nać na skypeu, upalit neku igricu koju se može igrat u 4 i zabavljat se i pričat.
I tako, jedan dan, ovaj rimokatolik priča kako će se uselit sa svojom curom u isti stan. svećenik, koji tada još
nije bio ali je bio na bogosloviji, ga pita dal oni misle spavat skupa kada su već useljeni? naravno, odogovor je
bio da.
preskočit ćemo masu priče koja je bila između, rezultat svega toga je bio taj da njih 2 više ne pričaju, jer baš
kao što ova poslanica kaže, ako je vaš "brat" bludnik, odreknite ga se... no u istu ruku, samnom nema problema
pričat.
OK, ja niti nemam spolne odnose uokolo, ali stvar je u tome da ih čak i IMAM, on bi rekao "on je ateista, on
nezna što radi i treba ga naučit"...
Meni je tako nešto neshvatljivo... ja razumijem odvojit se od grijeha ako te nešto navodi na grijeh... ali svom
vlastitom bratu reć "neću pričat sa tobom" i očekivat da će se on opametit... umjesto da provedeš vremena sa
njime i učiš ga... to mi je nepojmljivo...
naravno, koristim brat ovdje u metaforičnom smislu :)
Malo sam skrenuo sa teme? Poanta je da se ne slažem sa tako nečim napisanim. Ljudima utijek i u svakom trenu
treba pokušati pomoći, ako oni žele pomoć, a ako ju ne žele, svejedno treba biti u pripravnosti.
Homoseksualcima treba pomoć, al ne "duševna" ili "mentalna" nego treba im netko tko će na njihovoj strani,
makar nije u njihovom "klubu" i koji će reći "pustite jadne ljude na miru" :) jer, oni samo žele biti sa osobom koju
vole... i ja tu stvarno ne vidim problem :)
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Da, homoseksualci žele ostvariti vezu sa kojim vole. Opet, vidi ono što sam gore napisao, ako argument može
biti korišten protiv tebe, nemoj ga koristiti. "Da li heteroseksualci stvarno žele samo ostvariti vezu sa osobom
koju vole? A koliko se tu radi o promiskuitetu? Zašto je hetoseksualna populacija rizičnija u pitanju razvoda,
nevjere a i valjalo bi pitat ginekologe koje su poslijedice heteroseksualnih spolnih odnosa"
Jel ćeš poslije ovog argumenta mi vjerovati da heteroseksualnost ima rizika i zato je se odreći? nisam ni sumljo,
zašto onda misliš da će se homoseksualci odreći toga? :)
Imaš pravo... te osobe bi trebalo najbolje ič u celibat i postat svećenici... a ne, čekaj... neki to već i rade i onda
čujemo o njima na vjestima pa radi toga svi katolici ispaštaju jer kako su ljudi laki za "narajcat" pomisle da su
svi svećenici onda homoseksualci...
Naravno da imaju taj izbor, ko i svatko od nas... no da si ti zaljubljena, bi li stvarno izabrala celibat prije nego
osobu koju voliš i osjećaš da je tvoja "srodna duša"?
Neki bi, i neki to rade i od homoseksualaca, no ti pojedicnci ne žive sretan život, dapačem pacijent "Kraig",
jedan od slučajeva djece koje su u 70tim bili izloženi ahti-homoseksualnim terapijama je sa svojih 20 i nešto
godina prvi puta shvatio da je gay no radi terapija je stalno bio pod depresijama i u unutarnjem konfliktu sa
onim što osječa da je istina, i onim što mu je društvo govorilo da je istina. Njegov život je završio u ranim
30tima kada se objesio.
I tendencija samoubojstava kod homoseksualaca je pojačana i dobar dio krivice snosi društvo, točnije, religije
koje im kažu "vi ste griješnici"
A i moram biti direktan malo pa nek se naljuti tko hoće, ionako sam uskoro u top 10 "najgorih" forumaša... bog
koji je tako malen da nas sudi radi toga jer volimo nešto u krevetu iznad toga kakav smo život živili, nije
vrijedan hvale.
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Slažem se... ja sam zaključio da ja imam svoj moralni kodeks u koji vjerujem, postojao bog ili ne :)
A za boga ću se brinuti kada umrem, osim ako mi nešto u međuvremenu ne promjeni mišljenje :)
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i kad sam već off topic skroz... nadam se da će moderatori to sredit i ispričavam se al ne želi da ispadne da ne
želim odgovorit :)
evo što bi za mene bio dokaz čuda... čovjeku izraste nova noga poslije amputacije... i to naravno, nakon što su
se ljudi molili rimokatoličkom bogu da mu naraste nova noga :)
Ili, ko što sam jednom reko (ili nisam?) da mi se jedan dan pojavi nei stranac, da mi komad papira u ruke i kaže
"to je lijek za rak, jahve mi je rekao da ti to dam i da počmeš vjerovati u njega i širiti njegovu riječ"... i ja
odem, testiram lije, ispostavi se da je to stvarno lijek koji u 99% ili 100% slučajeva ubija rak i da medicina nije
bila još ni blizu soluciji kakva je zapisana na papiru :)
uglavno, bilo što vidljivo, opipljivo što nitko na zemlji ne može nikakvim trikom ili znanjem napraviti... i da je
povezano uz rimokatoličkog boga :)
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tebi je ljubav hormoni? na žalost je u ljubav upleteno puno više kemikalija nego samo hormoni... hormoni su
samo zaslužni za seksualni nagon i kako bi vrsta opstala... a ima tu i drugih kemikalija radi kojih se vežemo za
ljude... a onda još u mozak koji formira određene strukture po kojima kasnije stvaramo preference u životu...
da li volimo sladoled od čokolade ili vanilije primjerce... ili muško ili žensko...
a za krista... iskreno, njegovu "žrtvu" nikad nisam shvatio ko nešto što velika većina ljudi ne bi napravila... iako
je i nepotrebno doduše... no to je opet sasvim druga tema :)
...
za mene je ljubav nešto predivno za što smo mi ljudi sposobni... no o ukusima se ne da raspravljati, jelda? :)
...
ako znam da će svijet bit spašen radi toga? bez razmišljanja bi pristo :)
plus... baš to, on nije moro... mogo je samo oprostiti i problem riješen... plus... što je 50 godina života na
zemlji za vječnost u raju za njega? ko što rekoh, smatram da vi većina ljudi postupila tako na njegovom
mjestu :)
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a ono sto je moralno prihvatljivo danas ne mora biti sutra a ni juce
sve ovisi o trenutku i mjestu i sve je relativno
problem moralnog stava je u principu u licemjernosti a ne u stvarnom znacenju ili steti situacije koju taj stav
adresira
banalna istina da recimo old-time krscanstvo nema nikavih problema sa ropstvom sto je danas moralno
nezamislivo
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zasto ovo pricam ? pa cisto da pokazem svoju erudciju, nemoral i sl i da bi naglasio da off-the-shelf apstrakna
etika i moral ne funkcioniraju uvjek i da vrlo cesto ima svrhu da anestetizira savjest takvog instant moraliste
Sto moze biti kriterij ? Vjerojatno nesto objektivno, provjerljivo, racionalno i steta i povreda koja se nekom bicu
ili osobi nanosi... s druge strane ocekivati da se ljudi racinalno ponasaju po pitanju seksualnog nagona to bi tek
bilo pravo cudo!
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ne mogu odoljeti a da ne izvadim iz rjecnika definciju, sa HR jezicnog portala
1. snažan osjećaj naklonosti, strastvene privrženosti, duhovna i/ili spolna privlačnost jednog bića prema
drugome [ljubav na prvi pogled; nesretna ljubav]
2. meton. ljubljena osoba
3. jaki osjećaj privrženosti što ga jedni za druge osjećaju članovi iste obitelji ili iste zajednice [majčinska
ljubav]
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4. jaka sklonost prema čemu [ljubav prema poslu; ljubav prema domovini; radim iz ljubavi; vene od ljubavi]
5. a. rel. osjećaj bliskosti i pripadnosti Bogu, svaka sklonost prema dobru b. kat. jedna od teoloških vrlina (uz
vjeru i ufanje)
dakle razne vrste ljubavi su u igri, no svigdje je jaki osjecaj prema nekome (necemu)
a koji je problem sa krscanskom ljubavi ? pa u tome sto je deklarativna nije osobna, po zapovjedi
i sto svi misle da nesto ljube, cisto po inerciji biblijskih, upravo proliferaciji tog pojma,
jednoj teskoj apstrakciji
a rezultati su otprilike kao sa marsistickim shvacanjem znanosti (sve je osnovano na znanosti a niko ne
priznaje znastvene rezulate) tako i ovdje sa ljubavlju svi nesto ljube al da tu ima nekih konkrentnih emocija
bas se i ne vidi a da i ne govorim o tome da bi se trebalo razmumjesti sto i nekom drugome moze znaciti voljeti
zapravo covjek koji je voli je sretan covjek i tako se odnosi prema drugima a toga se bome u krscana ne moze
puno naci
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i ta vecina je itekako je dobro zastupljena u medijima sve je tamo puno zenskih sisa i guzica, nogometa, piva i
velikog brata te idiotskih komentara o sportu i crnoj kronici a to su moras ipak priznati stvari koje uz modu i
traceve tu vecinu jedino i zanimaju
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Možeš li mi navesti "neki objektivan, provjerljiv i racionalan kriterij ili štetu ili povredu koja se nekom biću ili
osobi nanosi" koji opravdavaju netolerantno omalovažavnje i prezir ženskih sisa i guzica, nogometa, piva, velikog
brata, mode i tračeva? (i pazi na sklizak teren mode i značajan udio muških homoseksualaca)
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mjenaju se itekako se mjenjaju
evo recimo anglikanski elvivalent pape (Henry 8) je postao anlikanac upravo zato da bi se razveo :)
razvod braka bas nema puno veze sa moralom a ni blud to ima vise veze sa tvz kreposcu (sto god da to bilo
vjerojatno ima veze sa krepanoscu :)
ma mijenja se bozji zakon kako se ljudima svidi, ma samo sve one silne verzije evandjelja po kojima bi covjek
mogao zkaljuciti da su recimo na poslejdnoj veceri jeli lude gljive ili vino sa metanolom kakve sve razlicite
prikaze imamo
ima recimo zgodna teoloska analiza zasto u ivanu stvari izgledaju vremenski drugacije nego u ostalima :)
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ako nekog provocira to što se pored njega prošeće grupa homoseksualca, ili muškarac odjeven u ženski odjeću ili
bilo što od toga - onda ja mislim da je osoba koja se osjeća isprovociranom spremna za psihijatra
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==========================Defensor Fidei:
Djeca ne rastu na grani- ali ne zavaravajmo se. Od homoseksulaca ne možeš očekivati da će imati funkcionalnu
obitelj. Svaka čast onom koji uspije, ali u praksi su takvi rijetkost. Uglavnom se radi o biseksualcima, tj. onima
koji odluče njegovati jednu stranu svojih težnji (a to sam sreo par puta u narth-u). Osim toga, i da uspijemo
reprogramirati homo u hetero, utjecaj na natalitet bi bio zanemariv. Broj djece je u pojedinoj državi uglavnom
je pitanje ekonomije, a ne populacije.
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http://www.kriz-zivota.com/forum/hrvatski/reciklaza/6171/norveki_aktivisti_vodili_ljubav_u_katedrali
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<<
There are a number of scientists and researchers with an obvious homosexual movement agenda who have made
claims that were more dubious and whose methods were more questionable than Dr. Cameron’s but who have
nevertheless not been subjected to the same kind of scrutiny and orchestrated smear campaigns that Dr.
Cameron has. Examples include Simon LeVay, Dean H. Hamer, Richard Lippa, Paul Gibson, and Alfred Kinsey.
When Dr. Cameron says, “the sad truth [is] that if you publish research that is inconvenient to the gay rights
movement, you encounter more obstacles than those whose work supports gay claims,” I can only agree with
him.
In view of the AIDS epidemic, homosexual and bisexual men’s greater susceptibility to contagious diseases of all
kinds due to promiscuity and the type of sexual activity they engage in, and the higher than average rates of
substance abuse among homosexuals, why should it surprise anyone that homosexuals would have a shorter life
expectancy? Even if some of Dr. Cameron’s studies are flawed, it is still likely that homosexual and bisexual
males have shorter life expectancies than heterosexual males, if only because of AIDS. Some of you are using Dr.
Cameron’s study as a strawman to discredit the broader statement that homosexuals live shorter lives on
average than heterosexuals. Flawed methodology in a study does not mean that that statement is false.
>>
Are Gay Rights Right?: Making Sense of the Controversy
"A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both." Dwidght D. Eisenhower
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society" J. Krishnamurti
•
OH! blah blah blah!
Your silly 3rd century religion is all about cannabalism as you drin k blood and eat flesh and yap ablut the blood of the
fucking lamb.
You suck fucks are on your way out. You canot compete with modernity...you just can't.
..but I will say one thing in your favor:
Catholic boys do it with guilty eyes...and I love that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioJra5oUnyw In reality leftist radical speech never gets people into trouble
while rightist always does. Go wear a shirt saying the words Black Power, Christ Kills, Gay Marriage Rules and no
one will bat an eyelid at the company picnic. If you wear a tshirt saying White Power, Mohamed Kills, Gay
Marriage Sucks and you will get fired or slowly pushed out. Facts of life.
Christopher Hitchens on homosexuality http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzO_mMDAYQw
A Govt that forces you to lie through your teeth or be imprisoned is not a FREE society in any way shape or form.
What happened to my country? Liberals, that's what...
″Čemu živjeti?″ jest tipično muško pitanje, naime, ne postavlja ga niti jedna
djevojka.
Djevojke su po naravi, više nego mi muškarci, raspoložene za ljubav. Žene znaju – a
da o tom i ne trebaju razmišljati – da nisu stvorene za same sebe; pa kad bi im to
pitanje i palo na pamet, izrazile bi ga sasvim drukčije: ne bi pitale ″Čemu živjeti?″
nego ″Za koga živjeti?″. Trebali bismo se ugledati u njihov primjer.
Ne znam jesam li uspio uvjeriti one mlade ljude u Monsu.
Znam jedino – i to je najvažnije – da mi novine o njima nikad nisu donijele vijesti.
André Frossard (preuzeto iz knjige “Bog u pitanjima”)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_agenda
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathy_Griffin#LGBT_rights_and_political_advocacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_(2008)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aid_For_AIDS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_In_Drag_Show
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/09/24/media-matters-where-scare-quotes-magically-transform-facts-into-smears
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-peacock/gay-marriage-i-just-dont-_b_2980235.html
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